IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-01-28

WizardNumberNext	unfortunately mine are 1320mAh	00:00
WizardNumberNext	but i didn't know about change of capacity, so bought exactly same and disqualified those 1430mAh as fake	00:00
peterbjornx_n900	could i wire a HTC 3.7v battery up to it	00:00
freemangordon	tttupn: some upgrades? elaborate	00:00
WizardNumberNext	I think you can try	00:01
peterbjornx_n900	would it charge?	00:01
peterbjornx_n900	or blow up	00:01
WizardNumberNext	as long as its li-ion	00:01
ShadowJK	There's some third party batteries with even higher capacity that fits in same space	00:01
tttupn	actually I did a stupid apt-get upgrade (having extras testing and devel disabled)	00:01
ShadowJK	peterbjornx_n900, it wont charge	00:01
WizardNumberNext	charger won't allow you to blow it up and battery itself have protection, so no worries	00:02
peterbjornx_n900	ok	00:02
WizardNumberNext	ShadowJK: why not - it is still li-ion	00:02
WizardNumberNext	say it is	00:02
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WizardNumberNext	then why not?	00:03
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tttupn	here is the output of apt-get install http://pastebin.com/xvKK8BrP	00:03
tttupn	Are there any logs to look for?	00:03
ShadowJK	WizardNumberNext, needs a resistor between BSI and GND, without it, it thinks it's sitting in a debug jig	00:04
WizardNumberNext	I was thinking about that damn resistor there	00:04
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freemangordon	tttupn: oh, you are on cssu-thumb?	00:05
tttupn	yeah I am	00:05
tttupn	kernel 2.6.28.10-power51	00:06
freemangordon	and you did apt-get upgrade with cssu-devel enabled?	00:06
tttupn	yeah...	00:06
tttupn	:-/	00:06
freemangordon	tttupn: that's bad. gould you give the output of "dpkg -l \| grep png", without quotes	00:07
freemangordon	*could	00:07
freemangordon	only the version	00:08
tttupn	1.2.49-1maemo1+0cssu3+thumb0	00:08
freemangordon	hmm, why apt-get install?	00:08
tttupn	because apt-get install tries to install broken packages again. I just hoped it could work ;)	00:09
tttupn	here is a list of apt sources http://pastebin.com/UN63kjwJ	00:09
freemangordon	tttupn: he correct command is "apt-get -f install" afaik	00:10
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freemangordon	tttupn: did you disable cssu-devel repo?	00:10
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tttupn	apt-get -f install just does the same in this case. No I didn't disabled cssu devel. I tried to install different versions of hildon-application-manager manually by specifying the version	00:12
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tttupn	btw I should remove the double cssu devel line	00:12
freemangordon	tttupn: but it is postinst script that segfaults, not HAM itself aiui	00:14
tttupn	yeah, I thought that a different version might ship a different post install script	00:14
freemangordon	seems like something else	00:15
freemangordon	you say hildon-desktop crashes too?	00:15
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freemangordon	tttupn: "dpkg -l \| grep libxml2" and "dpkg -l \| grep zlib" versions please	00:17
tttupn	I'm not exactly sure. I know that the watchdog would reboot the device. further there are widgets missing (nearly all) and I can't edit the home screen.	00:17
tttupn	libxml2: 2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5+0cssu0-thumb0	00:18
tttupn	zlib1g: 1:1.2.7.dfsg-13maemo1+0cssu1+thumb0	00:18
freemangordon	your problem is with libxml2	00:18
freemangordon	2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5+0cssu1+thumb0 is the correct version	00:19
freemangordon	do "apt-get install libxml2=2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5+0cssu1+thumb0"	00:20
freemangordon	tttupn: ^^^	00:20
tttupn	done.	00:22
tttupn	reboot? btw, why apt-get is thinking that this is a downgrade?	00:22
freemangordon	any errors?	00:22
tttupn	Unknown media type in type 'sketch/png'	00:22
freemangordon	tttupn: NFC	00:22
freemangordon	ignore that	00:22
freemangordon	tttupn: because of "-thumb0"	00:23
tttupn	full output: http://pastebin.com/iq0EnCP4	00:23
tttupn	what do you mean with NFC?	00:23
freemangordon	~NFC	00:24
infobot	[nfc] No Fucking Clue, or near field communications	00:24
tttupn	great I only knew near field communication ;) So I do a reboot?	00:24
kerio	tttupn: not yet	00:25
freemangordon	well, you'd better disable cssu-devel and do apt-get update, apt-get upgrade	00:25
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freemangordon	but DON'T upgrade	00:25
freemangordon	tttupn: just pastebin the output, so I can verify what will be upgraded	00:25
tttupn	ok wati a second	00:26
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tttupn	here the output of "apt-get upgrade" http://pastebin.com/sUPia6VD	00:28
kerio	the postinst script segfaulted because of the wrong libxml2	00:28
kerio	i recko	00:28
kerio	n	00:28
freemangordon	:nod:	00:28
tttupn	~nod	00:29
* infobot nods		00:29
freemangordon	tttupn: where is you mp-fremantle-community-pr?	00:29
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tttupn	should be installed I'll take a look	00:29
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tttupn	according to "dpkg -l" it isn't installed. Should I install it?	00:31
freemangordon	yes	00:31
tttupn	I have some broken dependencies. http://pastebin.com/r1A9k8N0	00:33
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kerio	tttupn: ah crap, you're missing community-testing	00:34
kerio	because the repos are down	00:34
freemangordon	aaah, yes, community-testing	00:34
freemangordon	well, mirrirs work	00:34
kerio	tttupn: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file	00:34
freemangordon	*mirrors	00:34
kerio	add the line "deb http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ fremantle free non-free"	00:34
kerio	add that line, then do an apt-get update	00:35
kerio	and then apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr	00:35
kerio	and hopefully everything will start working again	00:35
tttupn	is this a good idea? I don't have a sources.list at the moment. only the ham file in sources.d	00:35
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freemangordon	tttupn: do echo "deb http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ fremantle free non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/cssut.list	00:37
freemangordon	then apt-get update	00:37
freemangordon	etc	00:37
freemangordon	when you finish you may remove cssut.lis	00:38
freemangordon	*cssut.list	00:38
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freemangordon	kerio: BTW afaik hash is broken on merlin1991's mirror	00:39
tttupn	here the output for "apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr" http://pastebin.com/HMy6FbKH	00:39
Pali	http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ --> this not working for HAM	00:39
kerio	freemangordon: not that one	00:39
kerio	Pali: we're using apt-get	00:39
kerio	because we're real men	00:39
Pali	there is no http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ in HAM domain	00:39
freemangordon	tttupn: boldly press Y	00:40
kerio	tttupn: after you've enabled that repo?	00:40
kerio	yep, press y	00:40
tttupn	yes	00:40
ShadowJK	965M free on MyDocs :/	00:40
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Pali	ShadowJK, buy SD card :-)	00:40
freemangordon	yep, very good idea :D:D:D	00:40
WizardNumberNext	I still have a lot of free space there	00:40
ShadowJK	I've been attempting that for couple months now	00:41
ShadowJK	Best candidate so far is going through stresstest in sheevaplug :)	00:41
WizardNumberNext	damn man 16gb cost just 8gbp	00:41
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ShadowJK	Sandisk Extreme Pro MicroSDHC	00:41
freemangordon	ShadowJK: buy one like mine, it seems just fine	00:41
kerio	WizardNumberNext: no, he has a fetish for IOPS	00:41
kerio	he can't buy a .5GBP/GB card	00:42
freemangordon	it is not exactly cheap, but....	00:42
tttupn	here is the output for a "apt-get upgrade" I could do. http://pastebin.com/3JqbDq79	00:42
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ShadowJK	freemangordon; yeah I found it at 80E iirc, Samsung Pro 64g, right? Will get that one of the sandisk starts timing out	00:42
kerio	tttupn: ignore that for now, it's not necessary	00:42
WizardNumberNext	wait, but normal cost of 64gb U1 card is around 35gbp	00:42
kerio	although it's weird that policy-settings-rx51 hasn't been updated	00:42
kerio	...oh, right, the weird versions	00:43
freemangordon	ShadowJK: yep, that one	00:43
kerio	i wonder why qt wasn't properly updated	00:43
freemangordon	me too	00:43
kerio	oh, libqtm-12 is only in extras-devel	00:43
WizardNumberNext	freemangordon: how much is it?	00:43
kerio	waaaaaaaaaaait, kept back?	00:43
kerio	wtf	00:43
freemangordon	~90 euros here	00:44
kerio	i only have one version of libqtm-12	00:44
WizardNumberNext	how fast?	00:44
kerio	tttupn: is the metapackage properly upgraded now?	00:44
WizardNumberNext	I want to put loads of stuff there	00:44
kerio	tttupn: check its version with `apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr`	00:44
freemangordon	kerio: leave him reboot, will check afterwards	00:44
WizardNumberNext	mainly music in FLAC	00:44
tttupn	Installed: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7.2+thumb0	00:45
freemangordon	WizardNumberNext: ~2MB/s random read ~ 1MB/s random write	00:45
kerio	tttupn: reboot	00:45
freemangordon	yep	00:45
kerio	nothing should go wrong	00:45
kerio	warning: lots of things may go wrong	00:45
WizardNumberNext	btw anybody knows what rx51 sound card can do?	00:45
kerio	possibly at the same time	00:45
kerio	WizardNumberNext: play sound, or so i've been told	00:45
freemangordon	record too iirc :P	00:45
kerio	it does have some neat stuff	00:45
WizardNumberNext	I mean kHz bitness?	00:46
kerio	like analog passthrough for fmrx	00:46
freemangordon	highpass filter too	00:46
freemangordon	maybe a mixer?	00:46
WizardNumberNext	I been through a datasheet for omap3430 so I know bit and pieces, but I missed on kHz and bitness	00:47
WizardNumberNext	just matter of intrest	00:47
WizardNumberNext	because I would like to have HD is it is possible	00:47
freemangordon	48k enough?	00:48
WizardNumberNext	on desktop I fixed SC on 192/32	00:48
WizardNumberNext	have to be	00:48
freemangordon	that is default iirc	00:48
freemangordon	i guess you use .flac	00:48
WizardNumberNext	default? shit! most of music I have is in 44.1kHz or 96kHz	00:48
freemangordon	well, I guess a resmpler kicks in then	00:49
WizardNumberNext	I do use FLAC - especially for vinyl	00:49
freemangordon	*resampler	00:49
tttupn	reboot successfull and I think all widgets are back	00:49
kerio	yay	00:49
freemangordon	tttupn: give libqtm12 version	00:49
kerio	tttupn: apt-cache policy libqtm-12	00:50
kerio	full output	00:50
freemangordon	(or whatever was held back)	00:50
WizardNumberNext	that's why my PA is chew up so much of my processor on desktop - speex-f-9	00:50
kerio	WizardNumberNext: why such a high bitrate?	00:50
tttupn	http://pastebin.com/ufQw2mgm	00:51
kerio	music from CDs is 44.1k/16 anyway	00:51
WizardNumberNext	but recently I recompiled speex with march and mtune =barcelona	00:51
freemangordon	WizardNumberNext: toldya, I think it is 48k, but you'd better check PA settings	00:51
kerio	tttupn: waaaaaaaaaaaaaait	00:51
kerio	which repos have you enabled?	00:51
WizardNumberNext	I shall check them later on	00:51
kerio	we told you to disable cssu-devel	00:51
WizardNumberNext	kerio: I hate CD - it sounds crap	00:51
kerio	resampling also sounds like crap	00:52
WizardNumberNext	and why such high bitrate - because I can afford it	00:52
kerio	make the soundcard match what you're listening to	00:52
WizardNumberNext	but I don't want fixed 44.1kHz on desktop	00:52
tttupn	keiro: I have the following repos repos http://pastebin.com/2kNxYLtW	00:53
freemangordon	kerio: qtm12 is not in -thumb	00:53
WizardNumberNext	and anyway, most of SC for PC are 48kHz or multiply of it fixed, so 44.1kHz is double resmapling	00:53
freemangordon	so I guess we are not interested	00:53
kerio	tttupn: ok, first of all you don't need "community" at all	00:53
kerio	but that's not the issue	00:53
kerio	try running apt-get update again	00:54
kerio	and then `apt-cache policy libqtm-12`	00:54
kerio	it makes no sense, unless libqtm-12 is in cssu-stable	00:54
freemangordon	kerio: where do you think it should be installed from?	00:54
kerio	oh no, wait, extras	00:54
freemangordon	yep	00:55
kerio	libqtm-12 is in extras	00:55
kerio	sorry for the noise	00:55
kerio	well	00:55
kerio	tttupn: disable the community repo, you won't need it ever	00:55
WizardNumberNext	first time I have find about 48kHz issue is when I started digging for every scrap of info for Creative SoundBlaster Live - fixed 48kHz DSP, then find out that yamaha YMF724F is same	00:55
freemangordon	tttupn: your device should be fine now. DO NOT use apt-get upgrade. DO NOT remove mp-fremantle-community-pr. ALWAYS USE HAM for system upgrades :)	00:56
WizardNumberNext	so it might be same on omap but do not know	00:56
kerio	and what have we learned today about enabling cssu-devel?	00:56
freemangordon	hehe	00:56
kerio	Pali: and what have we learned today about having an entry in HAM for cssu-devel?	00:56
freemangordon	kerio: though the problem was with missing -mp thingie	00:56
WizardNumberNext	kerio: I would be careful with anything with devel in name	00:57
Pali	kerio, what?	00:57
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tttupn	thx @all who helped me. I'll be more carefull in the future!	00:58
freemangordon	so the right libxml2 was not picked up. And I bet he did apt-get upgrade by the time I have been playing with libxml2/zlib	00:58
kerio	Pali: dude messed up his system slightly because he enabled cssu-devel	00:58
freemangordon	kerio: no	00:58
freemangordon	he messed up because ^^^	00:58
freemangordon	it was wrong thimb version of libxml2	00:58
kerio	freemangordon: you were playing with libxml2/zlib in cssu-devel	00:58
freemangordon	no	00:59
kerio	oh, cssu-thumb? i see	00:59
freemangordon	yep	00:59
kerio	freemangordon: and what have we learned today about having -thumb as a version instead of +thumb?	00:59
freemangordon	not exactly "playing" but still	00:59
freemangordon	we've learned that FMG is a human being and makes mistakes. Oh, wait, that's old news :P	00:59
Pali	what about device HAM domain file into more packages?	00:59
Pali	s/device/devide/	01:00
infobot	Pali meant: what about devide HAM domain file into more packages?	01:00
Pali	s/divide/	01:00
tttupn	btw, I'll enable the watchdog and disable r&d mode now	01:00
Pali	have one enabler for stable	01:00
Pali	one for testing, one for devel and one for thumb	01:01
freemangordon	kerio: and what we have learnt today about necessity of -mp?	01:01
Pali	so users will no able to enable other repositories without installing new enabler	01:01
kerio	Pali: i'd say that community-ssu-enabler should pull community-ssu-domain, and make the latter vary for each repo	01:01
kerio	then cssu-thumb would add its own	01:01
freemangordon	Pali: I guess it is too late now, we'll receive a shitstorm of complains	01:01
freemangordon	"where are my repos"	01:02
Pali	stable does not have new HAM	01:02
freemangordon	sure, but T and thumb have	01:02
Pali	we can fix that	01:02
Pali	before stable	01:02
freemangordon	and there are the guys which actually look what happens, from time to time	01:02
freemangordon	Pali: yep, maybe	01:03
freemangordon	Pali: wait, HAM is not in stable?	01:03
freemangordon	are you sure?	01:03
Pali	new version with fixed domains not yet	01:03
freemangordon	ok	01:03
Pali	at least not in git	01:03
Pali	in git stable branch is before my domain changes	01:04
freemangordon	I see	01:04
freemangordon	well, I guess it is not "that" late then :)	01:04
Pali	ok, I will find some time in next days to create more HAM domain packages	01:05
Pali	please stop releasing any new cssu metapackage	01:05
freemangordon	Pali: what about that "freedom of coice" fix?	01:05
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freemangordon	*choice	01:05
Pali	what is freedom of choice?	01:05
kerio	Pali: would it be simple to keep the domain info in the same ham package?	01:05
kerio	for the maintainers, i mean	01:06
Pali	kerio, my idea is that domain files will be moved into more separate packages	01:06
freemangordon	HAM that allows you to choose alternative packages	01:06
kerio	er, in the enabler	01:06
Pali	each package will provides some name	01:06
freemangordon	Pali: why no more -mp?	01:06
Pali	and enabler will depends on that provides name	01:06
Pali	freemangordon, before this will be fixed	01:07
freemangordon	aah, ok	01:07
kerio	Pali: having the enabler depend on a particular name isn't exactly different from shipping the domain info in the enabler, i feel	01:07
Pali	I think this is blocker for any cssu now	01:07
Pali	kerio, no I mean that you will be able to install any domain package	01:07
Pali	but domain package will be only in one repository	01:08
freemangordon	however, I am going to have some sleep, night guys	01:08
Pali	so if you will only stable repo you will be able to install only stable domain	01:08
kerio	oh, like "community-domain-info"?	01:08
Pali	and if you want to install testing, you will have to click on wiki on install link	01:08
kerio	Pali: actually	01:09
kerio	keep the domain information in community-ssu-enabler	01:09
kerio	only move the catalogues away	01:09
Pali	kerio, problem is that domain is linked to system catalog	01:09
kerio	can .install files specify more than one package?	01:10
Pali	and adding system catalogue is possible only by adding it via file to /usr/	01:10
Pali	install files cannot add system catalogue (which can be linked to domain)	01:10
kerio	Pali: community-ssu-enabler ships the whole community-ssu-domains.xexp	01:10
kerio	...oh	01:10
kerio	no, wait	01:10
kerio	i realize that	01:10
Pali	kerio, I think you can add more deb packages to install files	01:11
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kerio	the actual repo with domain information will be installed by the package	01:11
Pali	but, what you can is to add catalogue to install file	01:11
Pali	so then new package can depends on packages from that catalogue	01:11
kerio	Pali: ok, i got it	01:12
Pali	kerio, now it working: click on wiki --> add user cssu catalogue, install cssu enabler --> postinst: remove user cssu catalogue, add system cssu catalogue	01:12
kerio	community-ssu-enabler has domains and keys	01:12
kerio	the .install files will add the appropriate repo and install community-ssu-stable or community-ssu-testing	01:13
Pali	yes	01:13
kerio	those depend on community-ssu-enabler	01:13
kerio	and they install the proper "system" repo	01:13
Pali	cssu enabler enable proper system cssu repo	01:13
kerio	yeah, we change that	01:14
Pali	(it enable all users enabled)	01:14
kerio	make it so enabler only adds keys and domain info	01:14
Pali	and then remove all users	01:14
kerio	and add separate packages to add the catalogue	01:14
Pali	and what is different between: 1) separate all (domain, catalogues) and 2) separate only catalogues?	01:15
kerio	Pali: once community-ssu-enabler is pulled in via the metapackage or upgraded, it enters the domain	01:16
kerio	so it couldn't be upgraded from stable to testing	01:16
kerio	not very easily, at least	01:16
Pali	testing has higher priority as stable	01:16
Pali	so cssu enabler can be updated from stable to testing	01:16
kerio	yes, but only if the domain information is already there	01:17
kerio	...oh, i see	01:17
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kerio	yes, it would work the same	01:17
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kerio	no it wouldn't	01:18
Pali	why not?	01:18
Pali	community-ssu-enabler depends on cssu-catalogue	01:18
Pali	cssu-catalogue-stable provides cssu-catalogue	01:18
Pali	cssu-catalogue-testing provides cssu-catalogue	01:19
kerio	Pali: nah, make it simpler	01:19
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Pali	cssu-catalogue-* will have catalogue + domain file	01:19
kerio	community-ssu-stable depends on community-ssu-enabler	01:19
kerio	community-ssu-testing depends on community-ssu-enabler	01:19
Pali	ok	01:19
kerio	the flavour packages will have catalogue+domain	01:19
kerio	and i suppose that the community-testing mp will have to conflict with community-ssu-stable	01:20
Pali	why?	01:20
Pali	you should be able to have both packages installed	01:21
tttupn	how can I restore the original transitions.ini rom the hildon-desktop package?	01:21
kerio	Pali: hm, confusion	01:22
Pali	merlin1191, freemangordon, see this ^^^	01:22
kerio	tttupn: reinstall it	01:22
Pali	what do you think?	01:22
kerio	Pali: i'll think about it tomorrow when i'm more awake	01:22
kerio	but so far, it's good	01:22
Pali	kerio, where will be there merlin tell him this ^^^	01:22
Pali	I'm going offline	01:23
kerio	k	01:23
kerio	goodnight	01:23
merlin1991	hm what?	01:23
kerio	pa	01:24
kerio	er	01:24
tttupn	a "apt-get install --reinstall --purge hildon-desktop" won't overwrite the transitions.ini	01:24
kerio	Pali: this is if we don't decide to get rid of the domain thing altogether	01:24
kerio	tttupn: hm	01:24
tttupn	I could manually extract it	01:24
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kerio	tttupn: dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/hildon-application-manager*	01:26
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kerio	er	01:26
kerio	wtf am i saying	01:26
MrPingu	Evening!	01:26
kerio	tttupn: dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/hildon-desktop*	01:26
* MrPingu is finally done laughing		01:27
kerio	MrPingu: for what?	01:27
MrPingu	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1318271#post1318271	01:27
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kerio	oh god script kids	01:29
MrPingu	Isn't it funny? Banned by haxoring around, poor boy...	01:29
tttupn	keiro: no luck	01:30
kerio	tttupn: hm, just download a good one from TMO	01:32
MrPingu	tttupn: if you have cssu there should be a original + cssu specific parameter transitions.in in /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini.dpkg-dist	01:32
kerio	the default sucks, anyway	01:32
tttupn	yeah, i did that. but actually there is a weird scrolling bug. I'll try the original one now	01:33
MrPingu	just half all the values and you're good to go	01:33
MrPingu	hmm scrolling bug?	01:34
tttupn	it's gone with the original transitions.ini	01:35
MrPingu	What are it's symptoms?	01:35
* MrPingu must admit my bookmarks window of microB has some illness regarding scrolling too		01:36
kerio	i get that sometimes	01:36
kerio	but it's unfrequent enough	01:36
tttupn	I was able to scroll heigher than the top an below the bottom in the application list (about 1/3 of the screen) and this would be the new top / bottom	01:36
tttupn	somhow diffecult to discribe, but the file from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78591 here was somhow strange. there were some negative values...	01:38
MrPingu	I could pastebin my transition but it's not original	01:38
tttupn	thx, but I just restored the original.	01:38
tttupn	all perfect.	01:39
MrPingu	good :)	01:39
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MrPingu	Just realised that my N900 is the only phone I managed to have longer than a year	01:41
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FIQ	same here, but replace a year by a year and a half :p	01:42
tttupn	btw, there is no source for the on screen keyboard?	01:43
FIQ	owned this since 2010	01:43
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MrPingu	Got my N900 from Jan 2011, new for 180 EUR :)	01:45
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FIQ	Got my N900 from Mar 2010, new for 689 EUR :)	01:46
FIQ	a little more than you lol	01:47
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MrPingu	tttupn: I believe it should be somewhere in cssu as freemangordon RE'ed it	01:48
MrPingu	FIQ: only a little ;)	01:49
futpib	box was so cool	01:50
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MrPingu	tttupn: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ ;)	01:56
MrPingu	vkbrender and hildon input methods are used by vkb	01:57
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iluminator105	can someone help me write a script to enable n900 camera to record, because it only record for one hour and stops	08:14
n3mu5846984	n3mu5 BotNet Version 1.0	08:14
n3mu5846984	Use the commands:	08:14
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n3mu5846984	ddos-udp {Parameters}	08:14
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iluminator105	or is there app that allows camera to record video	08:19
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kerio	...wtf was that?	08:31
iluminator105	for more than one hour	08:32
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iluminator105	like a motion sensor camera	08:34
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freemangordon	romaxa: in QGraphicsMozView::paint, there is some matrix math. Is it really needed in case of SW rendering? Another issue - it seems a full viewport is rendered on every frame. Can't we do partial updates? Also the whole viewport is filled with background color before rendering. The same question - why not partial fill?	09:56
DocScrutinizer05	moaning	09:56
DocScrutinizer05	what's borked and fuxored today?	09:56
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DocScrutinizer05	(in addition to my auxiliary laptop)	09:57
freemangordon	romaxa: also - is it good idea to disable double-buffer on fremantle? is it possible at all? as I can't go over 15 fps with GL rendering no matter what I do	09:57
freemangordon	SW	09:57
freemangordon	rendering is well over 40 fps	09:58
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DocScrutinizer05	kerio: good question	10:04
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: n3mu5846984 ~Neono 202.149.83.86 * * , is online via sendak.freenode.net (Mon Jan 28 06:15:33 2013).	10:06
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DocScrutinizer05	http://www.google.de/search?q=n3mu5+BotNet	10:10
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thedead1440	DocScrutinizer05: logs show that bot has been around since around 06/01/13	10:11
DocScrutinizer05	yep	10:12
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DocScrutinizer05	thedead1440: if you like to do me a favour, could you geo-traceroute the IPs it used to log in?	10:13
thedead1440	DocScrutinizer05: the logs don't have the IP but your given IP shows indonesia as the host	10:15
DocScrutinizer05	6 Jan 2013 ... 11:22.29, *** join/#maemo n3mu5 (~user@114.79.17.86)	10:16
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thedead1440	yup Indonesia it is	10:17
thedead1440	those ips can trace back to 202.70.56.53	10:18
thedead1440	data centre: http://www.moratelindo.co.id/corporate/	10:18
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DocScrutinizer05	http://www.dl4hacks.net/user-8917.html	10:19
thedead1440	not much info there	10:20
DocScrutinizer05	but quite on topic	10:21
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DocScrutinizer05	I bet there you find the pristine form of n3mu5 "botnet"	10:21
DocScrutinizer05	probably with step by step instruction how to rename the bot	10:22
DocScrutinizer05	for the idiots	10:22
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thedead1440	haven't found it yet though	10:25
DocScrutinizer05	[prliminary general notice] warfare approved by HiFo board for maemo community's first and master official sysop	10:28
thedead1440	that's good news at last :D	10:28
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DocScrutinizer05	warfare: welcome aboard, and many thanks for your help already given and yet to come! :-)	10:34
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DocScrutinizer05	[organizational notice] on any infra hickups, the SOP is (in sequence): ping me on IRC, ping warfare on IRC, wait for answer, send mail to me CC council CC warfare (I'll elaborate on the latter point eventually on wiki etc)	10:37
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DocScrutinizer05	exception to above rule: if you already have established a direct communication with either of the aforementioned and/or any of our senior admins Ferenc, Niels, Eero	10:40
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DocScrutinizer05	in this case you of course continue on that conversation thread, but add me, council, warfare to the CC	10:41
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vi____	who is warfare?	10:42
DocScrutinizer05	vi____: see last Firday's council meeting chanlog, he introduced himself there	10:42
vi____	...	10:42
vi____	link?	10:42
DocScrutinizer05	o.O	10:42
DocScrutinizer05	vi____: in /topic of #maemo-meeting ?	10:43
DocScrutinizer05	or /whois warfare	10:44
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DocScrutinizer05	or google for Falk Stern xing	10:45
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vi____	freemangordon: what are you cooking up now?	10:50
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freemangordon	mozilla qml UI	10:50
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freemangordon	romaxa: there is something totally wrong , embedLite does SW rendering even with GLWidget, for some reason QGLContext::currentContext() is NULL in QGraphicsMozView::QGraphicsMozView, so SetIsAccelerated(true) is never called. If force-called (SetIsAccelerated(true)) then http://romaxa.info/css3d/cube3d/cube_fast.html renders the cube with ~ 25 fps :D	10:55
Estel_	kerio, DocScrutinizer05, obviously i don't use bq27x00 together with i2c calls	10:56
Estel_	I was using only charger module, not bq27x00	10:56
Estel_	still, when charging from almost empty battery (3.2 or below) I have clear 1350 mA charging, for first 20 minutes or so	10:57
Estel_	no idea wtf?	10:57
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DocScrutinizer05	Estel_: oops, maybe I got that wrong, thought pali's charger stuff depends on bq27x00	10:57
Estel_	DocScrutinizer05, I don't use his bme replacement yet, just module from kp:P	10:57
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DocScrutinizer05	yeah, got that	10:58
Estel_	his bme replacement is great, but until battery applet gets upgraded, it depends on rx51 data, i.e. "design capacity" which is all wrong	10:58
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Estel_	so I did small sh scripts that sets module parameters via sysfs entries to 1250 current and 100 mA termination current	10:58
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Estel_	no freaking idea why it doesnt obey charging limits by chip, though	10:59
DocScrutinizer05	are you sure your 1350mA figure been for charge and not DIScharge?	10:59
Estel_	WizardNumberNext, you know that bells ring somewhere, but you don't know in which church exactly	10:59
Estel_	yea	10:59
Estel_	absolutely sure	11:00
Estel_	never seen anything like that	11:00
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Estel_	it started with motherboard change andupgrade to KP52	11:00
DocScrutinizer05	then that's obviously a bug somewhere, since bq25150 can't do 1350mA	11:00
Estel_	can't separate which one is responsible	11:00
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DocScrutinizer05	was the reading sustainable or unary event?	11:01
Estel_	elaborate pls?	11:02
DocScrutinizer05	you got that value for a higher number of readout periods, or only once?	11:02
Estel_	<Estel_> still, when charging from almost empty battery (3.2 or below) I have clear 1350 mA charging, for first 20 minutes or so	11:02
DocScrutinizer05	ooh	11:02
Estel_	reproducible and constant	11:02
DocScrutinizer05	bug in bq27x00.ko	11:02
Estel_	tried for 3 charging cycles already	11:02
DocScrutinizer05	errr	11:03
Estel_	probably	11:03
DocScrutinizer05	in script?	11:03
Estel_	or not	11:03
Estel_	well, script havent changed	11:03
Estel_	at all	11:03
Estel_	since more than a year	11:03
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	11:03
DocScrutinizer05	extremely weird	11:03
DocScrutinizer05	I just could figure offset decalibration of bq27200 chip	11:03
Estel_	hm, kp can't have anything to do with i2c readings, yep?	11:04
DocScrutinizer05	or that friggin thing can actually charge with 1300+mA	11:04
Estel_	but you know, discharge values are actually perfectly OK	11:04
Estel_	even on low marging measurements, like off-line mode and ~4mA discharge	11:04
Estel_	well, when got some free time (which may mean never in upcoming months...) I'll downgrade back to kp51r1 and compare	11:05
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, no better explanation than: bq24150 can charge very flat low-Voltage batteries with more that 1.3A	11:05
DocScrutinizer05	bq27200 readings are very close to bare metal and supposed to be accurate for current and voltage	11:06
Estel_	same here... Strange things is that, though, previously (on another device and last kp) it never did more than 1250	11:06
DocScrutinizer05	and both bq27* scripts (using i2c-tools) are well proven and supposed to usually work	11:07
warfare	hi everyone. Mail address: falk@fourecks.de	11:08
Estel_	WizardNumberNext, you know that bells ring somewhere, but you don't know in which church	11:08
DocScrutinizer05	morning warfare :-))	11:09
Estel_	keeping lions in freezer for charge you may get better results for relative capacity stored during charging process...	11:09
Estel_	But it have nothing to do with relative capacity of discharge, especially, that battery have plenty of time to go into room temperature	11:09
Estel_	in fact, you're just loosing efficiency during charge process	11:09
Estel_	also, I wouldn't say that constant temperature changes - every charging cycle into freezer once - is ok for battery health	11:10
Estel_	so, in long run, you're shortening it's lifetime	11:10
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Estel_	as for max capacity feasible on N900, it's a little more than 3Ah currently, and mugen cover is easily moddable to have fully working camera lens cover	11:11
Estel_	with detection of lens opened etc	11:12
Estel_	s/lens/cover	11:12
Estel_	s/lens/cover/	11:12
infobot	Estel_ meant: s/cover/cover	11:12
Estel_	~botsnack	11:12
infobot	Estel_: thanks	11:12
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Estel_	WizardNumberNext, until that, you must wait 'till I pack 2x 18650 into replacement body :P	11:14
Estel_	as for music files, are you saving music for dogs, or people?	11:14
Estel_	If the latter, more than 48 is useless, as it's more than 20 ksz anyway	11:15
Estel_	s/ksz/khz/	11:15
infobot	Estel_ meant: If the latter, more than 48 is useless, as it's more than 20 khz anyway	11:15
Estel_	in fact, even 44.1 is videotape legacy	11:16
Estel_	no one, in blind tests, was able to detect difference between tracks mixed with lowpass=20khz and ones with 40khz	11:16
Estel_	see hydrogenaudio discussions for more myths busted	11:17
Estel_	all after all, unless you're preserving music database for contacts with alien civilizations capable of hearing higher frequencies, 96 khz is pure waste of space	11:18
Estel_	see ya later	11:18
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GNUtoo	hi, what's the way to restore an n900 to factory image?	12:56
GNUtoo	because the issue is that I've been trying since days to get the images but the http://tablets-dev.nokia.com is unavailable (I guess on purpose)	12:57
GNUtoo	DocScrutinizer05, hi	12:58
GNUtoo	ah sorry maybe it's DocScrutinizer51	12:58
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DocScrutinizer05	both	12:59
DocScrutinizer05	:-)	12:59
cehteh	GNUtoo: patience	12:59
DocScrutinizer05	~mirrors	12:59
infobot	somebody said mirror was http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143	12:59
cehteh	infrastructure will be back someday soon :)	12:59
GNUtoo	ok	12:59
cehteh	(yes or use the mirrors)	12:59
GNUtoo	thanks let me see	12:59
cehteh	no need to reset/reflash your device	13:00
GNUtoo	ah?	13:01
GNUtoo	I've an uboot on it	13:01
GNUtoo	and it's not combined	13:01
GNUtoo	and I don't see the images to reflash	13:01
GNUtoo	for reflashing I can use 0xFFFF	13:02
GNUtoo	so I don't need flasher	13:02
GNUtoo	so what should I do?	13:03
GNUtoo	chroot in my instell and reflash the kernel	13:03
GNUtoo	or should I unpack a kernel?	13:03
GNUtoo	and flash it	13:03
GNUtoo	like ar x kernel.deb	13:03
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GNUtoo	cehteh, ^^^	13:06
cehteh	... bbl	13:07
futpib	do you need kernel or rootfs instead?	13:08
GNUtoo	at least kernel	13:08
GNUtoo	but I'd like to restore everything	13:08
GNUtoo	and then do a CSSU update	13:08
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xes	humm.. today my n900 had a bad wake up, i found in syslog some error like: certman_main.cpp(873): ERROR '/etc/certs/common-ca/f3a27298eeb81b82801c4db69a3027990a2f72e2.pem' fails verification any idea?	13:16
GNUtoo	ok let's see if that boots	13:18
fasta	Why do people complain when a bug is reported that there is no complete information when it is a problem they could have prevented in the first place by doing proper (automated) testing?	13:21
fasta	People seem to like to blame other people for their own lazyness.	13:22
SpeedEvil	because the bug may not exist for them in different circumstances	13:22
SpeedEvil	complete bug reports are always a good idea.	13:23
fasta	SpeedEvil: you mean platform issues?	13:23
fasta	I have never had code that worked differently on two different computers.	13:23
SpeedEvil	for example, something on your phone causes it not to work	13:23
SpeedEvil	hahahhahaahhhhahha	13:23
SpeedEvil	lucky you.	13:23
fasta	SpeedEvil: I write against a standard or in a higher-level language where this is also not possible.	13:24
SpeedEvil	the raw code, perhaps not.	13:24
fasta	SpeedEvil: actually I am lying. I found a few gcc bugs.	13:24
SpeedEvil	interactions with library versions, or different system software, or ...	13:24
fasta	But even in that case it only didn't work because gcc was wrong, not because I was wrong.	13:24
fasta	SpeedEvil: no, that never happens for me, probably because I check all the dependencies.	13:25
SpeedEvil	no, you don't.	13:25
fasta	SpeedEvil: I have tools which do that.	13:25
SpeedEvil	you test some subset which can be easily tested	13:26
fasta	I also think that beyond 100 developers it would probably be a smart idea to develop in some language in which you don't need tests anymore.	13:27
fasta	That way you can eliminate QA or 'code reviews'.	13:27
SpeedEvil	you can't.	13:27
fasta	Why not? Because I can.	13:27
SpeedEvil	unless you're the only code running on your platform.	13:27
fasta	SpeedEvil: what?	13:27
SpeedEvil	for example, a buggy flashlight program stopped a camera program working	13:28
SpeedEvil	there was no bug in the camera program	13:28
fasta	SpeedEvil: a modern OS has process isolation.	13:28
SpeedEvil	not when it comes to shared resources	13:29
SpeedEvil	dependancy checking only works if you know that a later version of a library is buggy, for example.	13:30
fasta	SpeedEvil: even then you should be able to say that some other component is not providing the correct semantics.	13:31
fasta	The main problem is that people think it's too much effort to even define what something does.	13:36
SpeedEvil	kinda hard in many cases. for example, when the window system because of device setup chooses to put the buttons off screen, or you just get a segfault some time later	13:36
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fasta	The thing is that software is indeed complex, but currently only 0.0001% tries to actually handle the complexity. The rest is just throwing their hands up and ignore the problem.	13:39
fasta	If you look at the amount of issues which exist in modern devices, it appears that they all fail at producing things that work.	13:40
fasta	Linux isn't even able to work with my keyboard!	13:41
fasta	Yes, it works 99.99% of the time.	13:41
user05	anyone with success to install bluemaemo on n900?	13:45
user05	there are many broken dependencies, which aptitude can not fix	13:45
GNUtoo	so I guess since the servers are moved, the CSSU install doesn't work right?	13:46
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phr3akDom	GNUtoo: u can try some mirror	13:48
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GNUtoo	yes that's what I'm doing	13:51
GNUtoo	I added the community repo of some mirror	13:51
phr3akDom	so whats the problem?	13:52
GNUtoo	I wanted to get a clean CSSU	13:53
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GNUtoo	I flashed a kernel	13:54
GNUtoo	so I now booted under maemo	13:54
GNUtoo	but still I need to clean my install by hand	13:54
GNUtoo	since there is no image to reflash	13:54
GNUtoo	then I must upgrade to CSSU(I'm doing it right now)	13:54
phr3akDom	well, so now u just have to find in the repo cssu.install (or something like that) and install it	13:55
GNUtoo	I've added the repo already	13:56
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GNUtoo	I'm installing cssu-enabler	13:56
GNUtoo	ok that failed	13:58
GNUtoo	I'll do it by hand	13:58
GNUtoo	adding each repo	13:58
GNUtoo	and updating graphically	13:58
phr3akDom	my reason is, the best what u can do now, is just wait	13:59
GNUtoo	hmmm which repos do I need	13:59
GNUtoo	yes I'll end up with a brick otherwise	13:59
GNUtoo	how much time should I wait	14:00
phr3akDom	how long can moving servers take?..thats the question	14:00
GNUtoo	because I wanted to show the n900 to someone	14:00
GNUtoo	like right now	14:00
phr3akDom	i have no 'special' repos added in my n900	14:01
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GNUtoo	lI'll wait then	14:08
GNUtoo	bye	14:09
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t4nk383	guys, can u pls tell why i vant install via appManager WebOS?	15:03
t4nk383	cant*	15:03
DocScrutinizer05	huh?	15:03
t4nk383	neither via x_term	15:04
DocScrutinizer05	afaik webOS is for palm pre, not Nokia N900	15:04
t4nk383	but I read some stuffs and i saw some videos on youtube where ppl use it for free and it works	15:05
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, not my call. If somebody else knows an answer, please step up	15:06
DocScrutinizer05	I'm out	15:06
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t4nk383	i tried to write sudo gainroot	15:07
t4nk383	and it says": root shell enabled	15:07
t4nk383	and then when I want write /home/use# apt-get install preenv	15:08
t4nk383	it says the package couldn't be found	15:09
t4nk383	why is that?	15:09
t4nk383	I've downloaded rootsh	15:09
t4nk383	..	15:09
t4nk383	cant understand anything	15:09
futpib	it is about running games made for webOS, not webOS itself	15:11
t4nk383	so when I want to install for example avatar, how can I do it?	15:12
DocScrutinizer05	preenv is in extras-devel i guess	15:12
DocScrutinizer05	it at all	15:12
DocScrutinizer05	if*	15:12
CcxCZ_	how can I create app icon/launcher?	15:12
tadzik	write a .desktop file	15:12
DocScrutinizer05	cya, i'm afk	15:13
thedead1440	indeed preenv is in extras-devel	15:13
t4nk383	i dont have much choice on games in AppMan so i want to install cool games on my phone	15:13
t4nk383	what does it mean ?	15:13
thedead1440	t4nk383: extras-devel is down so use the mirrors to download the packages required	15:13
thedead1440	~mirrors	15:13
infobot	[mirror] http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143	15:13
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t4nk383	im with mirror right now	15:13
t4nk383	from where i can download it?	15:14
thedead1440	i just did a test and it downloaded fine so have you run apt-get update before trying it?	15:14
thedead1440	it has dependencies so its better to download it via x-term instead of packages manually but if you still want the package only: http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/preenv/preenv_0.1.7_armel.deb	15:15
t4nk383	nope, so i should write on the terminal apt-get update?	15:15
thedead1440	yes	15:15
t4nk383	it says could not open lock file	15:16
t4nk383	what's that?	15:16
thedead1440	close App Manager first and if still doesn't work then in terminal: rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/lock	15:17
t4nk383	connot remove it	15:18
t4nk383	:(	15:18
t4nk383	:(	15:18
t4nk383	what can i do now?	15:18
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thedead1440	\o/	15:20
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thedead1440	if it can't be removed it means some process is using it	15:20
t4nk383	... any advice?	15:20
t4nk383	how can i stop it then	15:21
thedead1440	kill pkgmgrd	15:21
t4nk383	how?	15:21
thedead1440	s/kill/killall/	15:21
infobot	thedead1440 meant: killall pkgmgrd	15:21
t4nk383	in the termnal or?	15:22
thedead1440	~rtfm	15:22
infobot	from memory, rtfm is Read The F*cking Manual (TM). It is a suggestion to do your homework before posting a question. Sometimes used as RTFM $SPECIFIC_MANUAL to refer to a specific source of information. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM	15:22
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kerio	warfare: woo! new sysop!	16:35
kerio	Estel_: don't use kp51, use kp52	16:36
kerio	(re: charger module wtf)	16:36
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kerio	Estel_: kp52 from tmo is going to be released as soon as the autobuilder is up	16:44
kerio	Pali: right?	16:44
Pali	yes	16:44
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MetalGearSolid	Whats wrong with kp51 ?	16:56
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Pali	MetalGearSolid, for bme replacement you need kp52	17:13
Pali	kp51 does not have needed patches	17:13
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MetalGearSolid	ok	17:15
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kerio	MetalGearSolid: kp51r1 had some problems in the charger modules	17:42
kerio	especially related to wrongly-reported values	17:42
kerio	iirc	17:42
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ShadowJK	please index my camera images kthx	17:54
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jaska	it only indexes what you dont want it to.	17:55
ShadowJK	yeah :/	17:56
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kerio	ShadowJK: nobody ever cares about tracker's feelings :(	17:58
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kerio	hrmpf, i think i'm going to run ntpd as a daemon	18:14
kerio	having to manually sync is annoying	18:14
ShadowJK	I wonder if opennntpd still polls 64s always	18:16
ShadowJK	uh	18:16
ShadowJK	openntp	18:16
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kerio	ShadowJK: the openntp in the repos is not the real openntp	18:17
ShadowJK	oh?	18:18
kerio	hell, busybox-power's ntpd is more openntpd than the one in the repos	18:18
kerio	i think, at least	18:18
kerio	hm, maybe it is, but it's just ancient?	18:18
kerio	This is a port of OpenBSD's native ntpd to other Unix flavours adding autoconf support and the necessary compatibility layer. It is strongly influenced by, and based in part on, the OpenSSH Portable project.	18:19
freemangordon	romaxa: ping	18:20
kerio	openntpd does its own portable releases nowadays	18:20
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romaxa	freemangordon: pong	18:25
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freemangordon	romaxa: I wrote you a couple of things earlier today, did you see them? also, right now my device plays h264 on youtube through DSP :), though to enable gstreamer support I had to fix a couple of things for gstreamer 0.10.25. Do you mind to commit those, or you want them reviewed first? I think they won't break newer gstreamer.	18:33
romaxa	freemangordon: I guess we should do most of the changes through pull request	18:36
romaxa	freemangordon: can you create pull request?	18:37
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freemangordon	romaxa: I guess I can , but I have cloned tmeshkova's repo, so it will take me a couple of hours to make a pull request for 10-liner patch	18:39
freemangordon	I mean, to make my clone, to pull it, etc	18:39
romaxa	freemangordon: is your clone is just clone of upstream branch or you do have some your own fork ?	18:40
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freemangordon	I have local clone of upstream (which i've used for all commits so far) and my fork, but it is only on github, no local clone	18:41
freemangordon	pulling it will take a good 3 hours :)	18:42
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freemangordon	romaxa: http://pastebin.com/mNBAtKVL	18:46
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romaxa	freemangordon: ok, I see, so are these changes wont work with upstream gstreamer? or you not sure?	18:51
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romaxa	freemangordon: it does not compile on harmattan	18:53
romaxa	freemangordon: could you create patch which does that with gstreamer version check ifdef?	18:54
freemangordon	romaxa: ooh, it needs header change too, I didn't pastebin it	18:54
freemangordon	I wasn't expecting you'll try to compile it	18:55
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freemangordon	romaxa: http://pastebin.com/ZaaE8X25 is the whole patch	18:56
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thopiekar	hey :) Just got a question about the maemo site.. Well, I noticed that maemo needs money do drive their website, but why are we not using an existing system now? I mean maybe debian or even ubuntu (launchpad.net) for hosting? Ok, the problem is the OS but why are we not making a CSSU update to one of these distributions? Would be much work, but we could save money at least this way..	19:12
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ShadowJK	Full update is more work than resources right now.. need to reverse engineer and reimplement/rewrite stuff	19:14
romaxa	freemangordon: I guess this patch need to be ifdefed with gstreamer version and submitted to bugzilla.mozilla.org	19:16
freemangordon	romaxa: does it compile when the whole patch is used?	19:21
freemangordon	BTW old and new code do one and the same thing, it is just the old code uses playbin2 functionality which does not present in older gst versions	19:22
thopiekar	ShadowJK: hmm ok :/	19:22
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thopiekar	is there any way to replace maemo on the emmc with ubuntu? just saw the sdcard method..	19:22
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freemangordon	s/present/exist/	19:24
infobot	freemangordon meant: BTW old and new code do one and the same thing, it is just the old code uses playbin2 functionality which does not exist in older gst versions	19:24
ShadowJK	thopiekar, just get a sd card	19:25
ShadowJK	makes dualbooting much easier	19:25
thopiekar	well, I would like to fully replace maemo with it.. but ok dualboot would be ok for the first time to see if everything is working..	19:26
kerio	very little works	19:27
romaxa	freemangordon: yes it is	19:28
freemangordon	romaxa: also I found why GL performs so bad on n900. for some reason painting is done using SW rendering.	19:29
freemangordon	for some reason GetIsAccelerated returns false	19:29
freemangordon	if I hardcode true , your 3d cude renders with 25 fps	19:29
freemangordon	*cube	19:29
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romaxa	freemangordon: maybe because QGraphicsView does not create QGL Context by default	19:30
freemangordon	exactly	19:30
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freemangordon	romaxa: QGLContext::currentContext() is NULL in QGraphicsMozView::QGraphicsMozView	19:30
romaxa	freemangordon: but QGLWidget should create one isn't?	19:31
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freemangordon	but it does not, no idea why	19:31
romaxa	freemangordon: which we do in main.cpp	19:31
freemangordon	I guess one has to call MakeCurrent or something	19:31
romaxa	freemangordon: ah, I guess that one you can call in QmlApplicationViewer::paintEvent	19:32
freemangordon	romaxa: I am not exactly QGL guru, don't expect me to answer.	19:32
freemangordon	romaxa: but why it works on harmattan?	19:32
freemangordon	or... does it?	19:33
romaxa	freemangordon: because harmattan HW accelerated for everything by default	19:33
freemangordon	romaxa: but I am not using anything maemo 5 specific.	19:33
romaxa	freemangordon: anyway, gstreamer patch should go to upstream mozilla, at least bug filled and problem explained	19:33
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romaxa	freemangordon: I guess it is about how harmattan initialize default windows,widgets	19:34
freemangordon	yeah, makes sense	19:34
freemangordon	ok, i'll see how to workaround that for fremantle.	19:35
freemangordon	romaxa: is it me to raise a bug? for gstreamer that is	19:35
* freemangordon hates raising bugs to upstream :)		19:35
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thopiekar	kerio: How much space is needed at least?	19:42
thopiekar	I mean to install ubuntu on a sdcard..	19:43
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amospalla	why is ubuntu so named here lately, is there any project to make it run under n900?	20:00
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Merlin	test	20:48
kgu	Still no news on repos? Guess it's still behind the flacky fw..	20:49
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kerio	yep	20:51
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kgu	Do you know why it takes so long to move it?	20:56
Merlin	Does anyone know what kind of Fw it is? a firewall should not crash because of heavy traffic ...	20:57
kgu	Is it because of people having ordinary life too? :)	20:58
kerio	Merlin: we can't read you, write louder	20:58
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kerio	also, it's not a physical hardware	20:58
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kerio	it's just an endian VM on the same xen-grid as the rest of the infra	20:58
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merlin1991	hm there's an imposer on this channel!	21:01
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kerio	haha	21:01
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Merlin	sorry, i'm new to irc. does louder mean other color? ;)	21:06
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kerio	Merlin: oh god no	21:07
kerio	Merlin: i was just poking fun at your "test"	21:08
kerio	especially because irc doesn't send your messages back to you	21:08
kerio	so the messages you send are instantly displayed locally	21:08
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Merlin	kerio: thanks for help!	21:09
kerio	anyway, welcome to #maemo	21:09
Merlin	ok. i'm a admin. if there is anythin i can help with let me know. i've donated already, but that's boring!	21:12
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: another victim	21:13
kerio	er	21:13
kerio	volunteer	21:13
futpib_	donating is fun!	21:14
futpib_	lets make a donation party	21:14
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ShadowJK	freemangordon, do you remember product code for your card	21:22
ShadowJK	oh wait nevermind, the other is fullsize SD	21:23
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wirr	does anyone know if there's a thumb-compiled version of openmediaplayer available somewhere?	22:33
wirr	~ding	22:34
infobot	dong	22:34
tadzik	look in tmo thread	22:34
tadzik	I got mine from there	22:34
wirr	tadzik, thanks a lot, found a link to a filehoster, is it the one?	22:36
tadzik	wirr: I think so, yes	22:36
tadzik	I can check the md5sum of the one I have	22:36
wirr	yes, please	22:36
tadzik	ok, I can't really. I seem to have removed it :P	22:37
wirr	ok, never mind, thanks	22:37
tadzik	I can give you the md5sum of the binary, if that comforts you	22:37
wirr	it won't hurt :-)	22:37
tadzik	ends with 6ac820	22:38
wirr	thanks, matches	22:39
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tadzik	awesome	22:39
wirr	@everybody: if you had to name your one, favorite maemo application, what would it be?	22:40
tadzik	GetThingsDone!	22:40
tadzik	but I'm biased :P	22:40
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tadzik	other that that it's either omp or modrana	22:40
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wirr	tadzik, GetThingsDone as in qtdone?	22:41
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tadzik	wirr: no, my university project which I published :)	22:42
wirr	:-) link?	22:42
tadzik	I put it on tmo few weeks ago, didn't update it since, but I do use it daily	22:42
* tadzik looks		22:43
tadzik	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88360 there it is	22:43
wirr	sounds interesting, i'll have a look at it	22:44
wirr	anyone else, no favourites?	22:45
kgu	Opera - I now use it as my main browser, and IMHO it's better than MicroB	22:47
wirr	kgu, no ads? adblock-plus support?	22:47
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kgu	guess not, but I don't need it anyway	22:49
wirr	ok	22:49
kgu	Does microb support adblock?	22:50
tadzik	yeah	22:50
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kgu	Nice, but I dont visit a lot of pages with adds anyway	22:52
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kerio	i found adblock too heavy, for microb	23:00
kerio	there's a css adblocker in the repos	23:00
kerio	it also does click-to-flash	23:00
kerio	which is absolutely MANDATORY	23:00
freemangordon	qwazix: ping	23:01
wirr	kerio, sounds good, i'll try that instead	23:01
kerio	wirr: adflashblock-css	23:02
wirr	thanks	23:02
tadzik	I quite like the lack of flash :)	23:05
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wirr	can someone tell me where to find older versions of maemo packages? seems like newest cryptsetup pkgs are screwed :-(	23:22
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iluminator105	i have cssu where is open ssh package for it	23:29
kerio	wirr: any apt-mirror of repository.maemo.org should host older versions	23:29
kerio	wirr: it's probably easier to go on maemo-archive.wedrop.it/repository.maemo.org and then browse manually	23:29
kerio	iluminator105: repository.maemo.org is down, you have to add an extras mirror	23:29
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: do we have an ETA for repository.maemo.org?	23:30
wirr	yay, thanks kerio	23:30
wirr	~mirrors	23:30
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143	23:30
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