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| ShadowJK | what's 503 | 00:12 |
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| Aoyagi | Service unavailable | 00:12 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 00:13 |
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| ShadowJK | Sandisk extreme pro microsdh 16g.. Looks kickass so far. | 00:49 |
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| ShadowJK | Seems to do 45-50 iops 4k random write steady state (300 ish on non-aged card). Mobile Ultra (2012): 4 iops, Mobile Ultra (2009): 8 iops | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | Sandisk Class 4 (2012) 32g: 1 | 00:56 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | not bad | 00:57 |
| ShadowJK | A-data "super fast" (2012): 22 iops | 00:57 |
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| ShadowJK | ... the hell.. it's slower at 16k random write than 4k and 8k :-) | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | 4k: 48, 8k: 28, 16 and up: 4 | 01:10 |
| jaska | "ultra" | 01:11 |
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| vetsin_ | dunno if this has been asked | 03:14 |
| vetsin_ | was there an announcement about TMO maintenance? | 03:14 |
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| jonwil | ok, so TMO is down but the wiki is back up :) | 03:48 |
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| jonwil | Can't we get to a point where all the Maemo infra is all up at the same time? :P | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Give HiFo $20 | 04:18 |
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| jonwil | I am broke and between jobs, I cant afford to donate $ (which is why I use my skills to donate code and reverse engineering to the Maemo community instead :) | 04:31 |
| jonwil | well not broke, just have no spare cash | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry, I was being facetious. | 04:33 |
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| chem|st | jonwil: tmo was not down... at least not in terms of "unreachable" | 04:59 |
| jonwil | true | 04:59 |
| chem|st | tmo had no connection problems yet | 05:00 |
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| chem|st | as soon as repo was turned live the firewall collapsed, firewall in front of maemo.org but not talk.mo | 05:01 |
| chem|st | they are still trying to find out what the issue is | 05:02 |
| chem|st | tmo is back btw | 05:02 |
| chem|st | and search should work properly now | 05:02 |
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| jonwil | ok | 05:07 |
| jonwil | makes sense | 05:07 |
| jonwil | Thankfully there seems to be a usable mirror of the nokia-binaries repo out there :) | 05:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, thanks brkn and thedead1440. and what? wiki working? highly unlikely. | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the firewall is so fubar, nemein can't even log in to reboot the shite | 08:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but indeed, seems to have recovered minimally | 08:25 |
| thedead1440 | wiki is working for you DocScrutinizer05? Here i waited 4mins still no pingback | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't ping I guess, FW, you know ;-P | 08:30 |
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| thedead1440 | hehe | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it loaded 60% here | 08:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even 100% now | 08:31 |
| thedead1440 | maybe the Great Firewall of Nemein is breaking down at 2 connections :p | 08:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and another CSS-less load | 08:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, 1, you need to set your network timeouts to 60s or more | 08:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the f* FW of Nemein breaks down at 64k connections, which easily heap up since timeout for stale connections is <infinity> | 08:35 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare has the gory details | 08:36 |
| thedead1440 | yay a full page of wiki loaded with proper styling :D | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~432000 / 3600 | 08:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 08:43 |
| thedead1440 | its 120 Doc | 08:44 |
| thedead1440 | hehe infobot quit around 10 hours ago :D | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I kicked her ass 10s ago | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaaaand | 08:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 120h are 5 friggin days, too early for all the stale connections in FW conntrack to reset | 08:48 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 08:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no haha | 08:50 |
| thedead1440 | it is haha | 08:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-26 00:22:01] <warfare> Riecht nach voller conntrack table. Default bei Endian sind 64k Verbindungen. Und wenn eine Session erstmal "established" ist, hält die auch 432000 Sekunden, es sei denn, sie wird sauber geschlossen. | 08:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have only 48h or sth | 08:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since last FW reboot | 08:51 |
| thedead1440 | ouch | 08:51 |
| thedead1440 | that means this would stretch to Tuesday/Wednesday | 08:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hahaha | 08:51 |
| thedead1440 | lol | 08:52 |
| thedead1440 | but if FW is brought down then too we would need to wait for the stale connections? | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui each connection allocates a slot in conntrack table, and if it stalls then that slot will get freed after a timeout that is 432000 by default | 08:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when all slots in conntrack table are allocated, no more new connections | 08:54 |
| thedead1440 | an how many connection slots are there? and why was the timeout not reduced from 432000? | 08:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all my dummy ideas of how stuff works | 08:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 64k in conntrack | 08:55 |
| thedead1440 | thats bad; FW should be brought down then | 08:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which pretty much matches our 90min to 3h to 6h of max "flawless" operation of the FW | 08:56 |
| thedead1440 | so FW will be brought down on Monday right? That way these stale connections won't be an issue | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-26 00:25:26] <warfare> mashiara: sysctl -w net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_max=256000 ; echo "net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_max = 256000" >> /etc/sysctl.conf | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas - see timestamp - nobody has tried that yet | 08:58 |
| Sicelo | i don't quite understand why it can't just be reconfigured :-/ | 08:58 |
| thedead1440 | because its the weekends Doc :p | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: it of course can get reconfigured. It's just mashiara been busy and now is on a journey even | 08:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he had to catch a flight ~24h ago, and last msg of him been [2013-01-25 21:44:37] <mashiara> ah crap... I need to fly to stockholm tomorrow morning, I have *not* prepared at all... | 09:01 |
| thedead1440 | :D | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and this been our last FW boot: [2013-01-25 21:18:06] <mashiara> kicked the fw, will now checkout db | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the guy is doing overtime way more than allowed, to handle it all as good as possible, honestly if somebody is to blame then that's Nokia who ordered migration GO just 2 weeks before x-mas, when everybody already been in holiday and they *came back* to do maemo-migration, go figure | 09:05 |
| thedead1440 | agreed DocScrutinizer05 | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and official *huge* Thank You to Eero and Nemein at large for an awesome work they did under mission impossible conditions | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FW? meh, shit happens | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's extremely annoying, not only for maemo users but also for Eero/mashiara and Nemein, but honestly it could have been way worse | 09:09 |
| thedead1440 | quite true | 09:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and whole tmo is 100% goodwill by Nemein, for the VM they basically donated to us. This never been part of the order Nokia gave to Nemein | 09:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw thanks chem|st for fixing stuff re tmo search. :-) | 09:14 |
| Psi | hm.. ive not been in this channel for a while. Any cool new apps in the world of N900s? | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: hahahaha | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: sorry | 09:15 |
| Psi | pretty much dead ended? | 09:15 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: yup; this morning when i tried tmo it was down; tried it later and phew it was up :D | 09:15 |
| Psi | hows that work going to get android working on the n900? | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: just you're asking a question that kinda sounds funny in times where aour trouble is something different than newest apps | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: actually I can't answer your question about newest coolest apps, since autobuilder isn't completely back to normal operation yet | 09:17 |
| Psi | heh | 09:17 |
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| Psi | im still using my n900, but ive not looked at the repo for ages | 09:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I *guess* last app built been ~27.12.2012 | 09:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: http://hildonfoundation.org/support/ | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88659 | 09:21 |
| Psi | true | 09:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure | 09:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1303767#post1303767 | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: and http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-27.log.html#t2013-01-27T03:48:10 | 09:24 |
| Psi | yeah | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors | 09:25 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those are from Dec 2012 | 09:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | skeiron is supposed to work without hashsum errors | 09:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: is skeiron a wind, like here: http://www.pantheon.org/articles/g/gods_of_the_winds.html ? | 09:31 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: indeed; the reason we chose it was to keep the tradition going ;) | 09:31 |
| thedead1440 | I think we were deciding between 6 winds and skeiron was available + the better sounding one | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | perfect | 09:33 |
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| kerio | the sdk tools repo on skeiron has hash sum mismatches | 10:31 |
| kerio | the one on wedrop works fine | 10:31 |
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| Estel_ | I agree, that Nokia ordering move 2 weeks before x-mas wan't kind, but migration in December was known to happen ~6 months earlier, or more. You know who I'm looking at for being not prepared. Thanks goodness, that Nemein & co turned out to be such nice guys, or we would be in well-expected limbo | 11:11 |
| Estel_ | anyway, whatever, I don't want to get into this shit again | 11:12 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, as for offset and alligment of cards, most new ones aren't | 11:12 |
| Estel_ | I'm just curious, if our eMMC could benefit from doing offset aligment? | 11:12 |
| Estel_ | no idea if it apply to it too | 11:13 |
| Estel_ | BTW, yeterday, even trying to use bluetooth adaptor and fm radio at the same time resulted in hildon-home crashing, and then, everything getting frozen | 11:13 |
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| Estel_ | device was accessible via ssh, but killing things haven't helped at all, and ssh freezed when trying to stop some services | 11:13 |
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| Estel_ | new ssh connections were possible, but at trying to start said services again, every connection got frozen to | 11:14 |
| Estel_ | finally, I forced reboot by killing Xorg :P I wonder, what makes N900 to go, in certain situations, to "accessible but frozen" state | 11:14 |
| Estel_ | where you can lock and unlock screen, and it goes blank and re-appears on touch with respect to settings, but is otherwise frozen... | 11:15 |
| Estel_ | yet perfectly fine (and fast) available through ssh, top & co working, it doesn't show anything hogging up cpu... | 11:15 |
| Estel_ | yet, killing thigs doesn't seem to work at all, or any other command, or do any effect on frozen device, unless you kill essential thig like xorg | 11:16 |
| Estel_ | I've seen it in different situations, many times | 11:16 |
| Estel_ | at some "extreme" errors it just goes into that state, nothing suspicious in syslog then... | 11:17 |
| Estel_ | BTW it appends to different devices, so no hw error possible | 11:17 |
| Estel_ | just curious | 11:17 |
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| Estel_ | now funny quic | 11:18 |
| Estel_ | quiz* | 11:18 |
| Estel_ | what do yu think this device is? | 11:18 |
| Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_1.jpg | 11:19 |
| kerio | Estel_: hm, a nokia 404? | 11:19 |
| Estel_ | right :P sorry, fixing link | 11:20 |
| Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/400x300/29/81/56/52/2981565264_2 | 11:20 |
| Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_1 | 11:20 |
| kerio | if i had to guess, it would be a n900 | 11:20 |
| kerio | but the keyboard is weird | 11:20 |
| Estel_ | right... now look a little closer... | 11:20 |
| Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264 | 11:20 |
| Estel_ | even closer... | 11:21 |
| Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_6 | 11:21 |
| kerio | does the logo still say nokia? | 11:21 |
| Estel_ | yea | 11:21 |
| Estel_ | tadam!: | 11:21 |
| Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_3 | 11:21 |
| Estel_ | and close-up: | 11:22 |
| Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_4 | 11:22 |
| kerio | well, at least there's no issue with the uSD being forcibly removed when you take off the backcover | 11:22 |
| kerio | and the battery is bigger than the stock bl-5j | 11:22 |
| Estel_ | it's unbeliveable, that chinese are still releasing new clones of N900 | 11:22 |
| Estel_ | this one is quite sneaky, though | 11:22 |
| Estel_ | unless you open backcover | 11:22 |
| kerio | it's slightly shorter than the n900, right? | 11:23 |
| Estel_ | if the would make keyboard a little better | 11:23 |
| kerio | the real one has a bit of space on the sides of the keyboard | 11:23 |
| Estel_ | no, same dimensions | 11:23 |
| Estel_ | yes | 11:23 |
| kerio | oh, the keys are wider? | 11:23 |
| Estel_ | they fucked up keyboard | 11:23 |
| Estel_ | yea | 11:23 |
| Estel_ | but this: | 11:23 |
| Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_2 | 11:23 |
| kerio | hey DocScrutinizer! wanna buy a new n900? | 11:23 |
| Estel_ | is masterpiece | 11:23 |
| Estel_ | :P | 11:23 |
| Estel_ | was going to ask same question | 11:23 |
| kerio | how's the touchscreen? utter crap? | 11:24 |
| kerio | what are the specs? | 11:24 |
| Estel_ | working quite ok. BTW, look at homescreen :P | 11:24 |
| kerio | some sort of symbian belle ripoff | 11:24 |
| Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_5 | 11:24 |
| Estel_ | yea | 11:24 |
| Estel_ | specs are as in chinesee phones, *no* 32 GB inside | 11:25 |
| kerio | it's now your personal duty to run fremantle on it | 11:25 |
| Estel_ | although two sims work quite well in 3G :P | 11:25 |
| Estel_ | sure, if I swap motherboards | 11:25 |
| Estel_ | I'll run fremantle inside | 11:25 |
| kerio | that's cheating | 11:25 |
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| Estel_ | but description was funny | 11:25 |
| Estel_ | seller havent tried to hide, that it's "replica" | 11:26 |
| Estel_ | said that it doesnt have 32 GB and no wifi (sic) | 11:26 |
| Estel_ | lower res camera | 11:26 |
| Estel_ | "but rest of functions is like in original N900" | 11:26 |
| Estel_ | LOL | 11:26 |
| kerio | well, no wifi is clearly a dealbreaker | 11:26 |
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| kerio | how are you supposed to use the amazing internal browser? | 11:27 |
| Estel_ | whole "replican is dealbreaker, I was just amazed about fact that chinese still see making clones of N900 as profitable | 11:27 |
| kerio | Estel_: woooosh | 11:27 |
| Estel_ | what do you want from microB, it's still better than any mobile browser I've seen | 11:27 |
| kerio | i meant the amazing internal browser of the replica | 11:28 |
| Estel_ | for some things I use chromium via easy debian, for most, microB hangs very well | 11:28 |
| Estel_ | ah | 11:28 |
| Estel_ | don't even ask :P | 11:28 |
| Estel_ | 3G works but seems uterly limited to some 1Mb/s or so | 11:28 |
| Estel_ | it's rather funny toy for N900 collectors | 11:28 |
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| kerio | which browser? some replicas have java, and they have opera mini, which is still fairly good | 11:29 |
| Estel_ | but you know what? usb port is quite durable | 11:29 |
| Estel_ | haven't tested if java is present, could be | 11:29 |
| Estel_ | btw | 11:29 |
| Estel_ | once i saw N900 replica, which had telescopic antenna in place of stylus | 11:29 |
| Estel_ | for analog TV receiver | 11:30 |
| Estel_ | .P | 11:30 |
| Estel_ | of course whole replica was "much" less ressembling N900, at first sight | 11:30 |
| Estel_ | still, funny idea | 11:30 |
| kerio | Estel_: http://www.youtube.com/ashens | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those are all based on one rather crappy chipset and reference design | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with as much RAM as my radioclock | 11:30 |
| Estel_ | yea :P | 11:31 |
| kerio | he reviewed an iphone ripoff, and as he tried to pick up the "stylus", it turned out to be an antenna | 11:31 |
| kerio | much laughs were had | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly 100% useless for anything except making phonecalls (if you're lucky) | 11:31 |
| kerio | *many | 11:31 |
| Estel_ | but DocScrutinizer05, you must admit, that they worked on case quite hard | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess they simply bought original spares | 11:32 |
| Estel_ | nope | 11:32 |
| Estel_ | close-ups reveal different details | 11:32 |
| Estel_ | it's definitelly not replacement part | 11:32 |
| Estel_ | even not original one | 11:32 |
| Estel_ | internals are suited for "replica" motherboard | 11:32 |
| Estel_ | well, someone admitted, that N900 is cult device and need "replicas" :P | 11:33 |
| Estel_ | fun fact - rip-off cost half price of perfect condition used N900 | 11:33 |
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| Estel_ | BTW, idiots are buying vertu "replicas" for 500 USD | 11:34 |
| Estel_ | knowing that they're fake | 11:34 |
| Estel_ | just because it resemble vertu, chinese are selling them for 200 USD, and local dealer make another 300 of profit | 11:34 |
| Estel_ | of course it include fake-leather box, fake certificate of originality, etc | 11:35 |
| Estel_ | oh, well. | 11:35 |
| Estel_ | I still need to work a little on theme and such things and sell one N900 as "hacker modified phone" | 11:35 |
| Estel_ | "with pentest suite" | 11:36 |
| Estel_ | "and spy functionality" | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and certificate! ;-P | 11:37 |
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| Estel_ | do you reemember guy from ebay who was buying all devices beyond certain price, instantly? | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and a black hat | 11:37 |
| Estel_ | as tracked by tmo members, he bouth something about 130 of them | 11:37 |
| Estel_ | I'm sure he was doing something like that with them on local market | 11:37 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: like, a literal black hat? | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes! | 11:38 |
| kerio | ie a hat made of black fabric | 11:38 |
| kerio | heh | 11:38 |
| Estel_ | well, I remember N900's selling for something like 700 USD locally, lately, someone saw them selling for 400 usd | 11:38 |
| kerio | Estel_: http://pwnieexpress.com/products/pwnphone | 11:38 |
| Estel_ | but they haven't had smscon configured for spying on your husband/wife | 11:38 |
| Estel_ | yea | 11:38 |
| Estel_ | or employee | 11:38 |
| kerio | 1k$ for a standard-issue n900 and a usb adapter | 11:38 |
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| Estel_ | right, it wasn't 400 usd, I messed up currencies | 11:39 |
| Estel_ | 1K usd was cheapest | 11:39 |
| kerio | i just... don't get it | 11:39 |
| robbiethe1st | 0.0 sounds like a great business | 11:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Buy phone for $200, extra stuff for $5. Sell for $995 | 11:40 |
| Estel_ | you know what? jokes aside, I *will* stuff N900 with pentesting and "spy" things, and use matching theme | 11:41 |
| Estel_ | and try selling it for 800 usd on local wannabe-ebay | 11:41 |
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| Estel_ | will report back | 11:41 |
| robbiethe1st | Heck, thanks to BM and custom images, he doesn't even have to install the software on each device, etc. | 11:41 |
| Estel_ | will report back after buying every N900 available :P joking | 11:41 |
| Estel_ | well | 11:42 |
| Estel_ | I think one wont sell more than 2-3 per month | 11:42 |
| Estel_ | after all, how many people need pwn spy omghax0r device | 11:42 |
| Estel_ | + is idiot | 11:42 |
| robbiethe1st | So? It's a few minutes work, for a good 750*3/month. | 11:42 |
| Estel_ | sure | 11:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Added to his other boxes... good money right there | 11:42 |
| thedead1440 | Estel_: the guy named n950 would buy all your stock if you just put a proto sticker somewhere on it ;) | 11:42 |
| Estel_ | lol | 11:43 |
| Estel_ | proto? wtf is that? | 11:43 |
| thedead1440 | prototype | 11:43 |
| Estel_ | ah | 11:43 |
| thedead1440 | i'm planning to put a proto sticker on a few N9s and offering to him for 1,500euros apiece | 11:43 |
| Estel_ | guy named N950, eh... Man named thursday | 11:44 |
| Estel_ | no, it was | 11:44 |
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| Estel_ | "man who was thursday" | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF?! >> Getting started Make sure the keyboard is not slid out, otherwise you will be greeted with the backup menu. Turn the phone on by holding the small power button on the top (between volume and camera buttons) and sliding the side button on the right down. Phone will vibrate and white Nokia screen will appear.<< | 11:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Heck, how about one personalized to you? It's trivial to engrave someone's name on the back... | 11:45 |
| Hurrian | robbiethe1st: that's a brilliant idea. | 11:45 |
| Hurrian | Heck, make /proc/cpuinfo report hwrev 0900. | 11:45 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, wtf is that? | 11:45 |
| robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer05, on which page? | 11:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://downloads.pwnieexpress.com/pdfs/pwnphonemanual.pdf | 11:46 |
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| robbiethe1st | Heh. | 11:46 |
| thedead1440 | hehe robbiethe1st you are famous :p | 11:46 |
| Hurrian | thedead1440: Have it laser-engraved on a fee black N9s. | 11:46 |
| robbiethe1st | I am, seems. | 11:46 |
| Hurrian | Make sure it has cryptic letters on it, like S1.12. | 11:46 |
| thedead1440 | Hurrian: yup that's what I was thinking and maybe a few hair-line screen cracks to show its aged :D | 11:47 |
| Hurrian | s/fee/few/ | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder which fool came up with the idea that it needs holding power butten while sliding lockswitch, to power up the N900 | 11:47 |
| robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer05, wow, didn't see that | 11:47 |
| robbiethe1st | That's... odd | 11:47 |
| Hurrian | thedead1440: file away the regulatory marks too | 11:48 |
| Hurrian | replace that with laser-engraved "NOKIA INTERNAL C0 PROTO" | 11:48 |
| Hurrian | "TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST" | 11:48 |
| thedead1440 | hahaha | 11:48 |
| robbiethe1st | I think it'd be better to put "Developer Device. Not For Resale" on it. | 11:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Just like the Genuine Article(tm) | 11:49 |
| thedead1440 | Hurrian: I was actually waiting for n950 to approach thp after this post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1302014&postcount=52 but thp spoiled it with the disclaimer; would've been epic | 11:49 |
| kerio | hahahaha | 11:50 |
| thedead1440 | robbiethe1st: no dev device is N950 non-proto he knows that so just putting anything stupid there that he hasn't seen before would get him hooked ;) | 11:50 |
| robbiethe1st | heh | 11:50 |
| jaska | explosive phone | 11:50 |
| Hurrian | damn, now I'm really tempted to visit my local car mods shop to have some stretched Arial text lazered onto my N9. | 11:51 |
| robbiethe1st | Oh, I know. Take a N900, grab one of the Chinese body kits, swap the guts out. You could have a white N900. | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: I see such things, that's why my nick is Doc Scrutinizer | 11:51 |
| robbiethe1st | Rare prototype /white/ | 11:52 |
| thedead1440 | Hurrian: do it ;) He'll offer standard 1,500 Euros if you don't confirm to sell by your second PM... I've heard of this from people he offered to buy their devices from | 11:52 |
| Hurrian | thedead1440: PM 1 "Look at this", PM 2 "Open to offers" ? | 11:52 |
| thedead1440 | yup and he'll drool over it :D | 11:53 |
| thedead1440 | he offered Arie 1,500 too for each of his standard-issue N950s | 11:53 |
| jaska | odd fetishes he has | 11:53 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, better idea: how about sell a N900 with non-functioning GSM radio, remove the SIM slot, paint the case silver, then say it's a N850? | 11:54 |
| robbiethe1st | And Arie didn't take him up on it? 1500 is a /lot/.... | 11:54 |
| thedead1440 | yup Arie was stupid not to take it up; take it up for 1,500 euros and buy replacements for 800 :D | 11:54 |
| Hurrian | thedead1440: it's seriously tempting - 1500 is enough to buy me a 64GB white N9, a new N900, and a new desktop PC. | 11:54 |
| thedead1440 | Hurrian: yeah; why not first do a photoshopped image and ask him for offer? | 11:55 |
| Hurrian | thedead1440, great idea, gotta see if he's interested before lazering ugly Arial onto my device. | 11:55 |
| thedead1440 | yup let me know if he takes the hook then it can be a good idea to get funds in :D :D | 11:56 |
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| robbiethe1st | Why not do something with this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/GOLD-Fascia-HOUSING-COVER-CASE-KEYPAD-TOOLS-For-Nokia-N900-NEW-/170954135293?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27cda916fd | 11:56 |
| FIQ | who buys n900 for q.5k? | 11:56 |
| robbiethe1st | You can have a /gold/ N900! | 11:56 |
| FIQ | 1.5k* | 11:56 |
| robbiethe1st | FIQ: N950 | 11:56 |
| Hurrian | robbiethe1st: Vertu Maemo proto device! | 11:56 |
| kerio | Estel_: early full-aluminium n900 prototype gogogogogo | 11:57 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 11:57 |
| robbiethe1st | (Note: I actually got the black version of one of those knock-off housings; it's /identical/ to the real thing. Different plastic, slightly, and it's missing the antennas, but... | 11:58 |
| Hurrian | Estel_, holy crap, if you could pump out one of those full-aluminum cases and say it was a proto N900, looks like a N810, claim it's a N850, you could easily get 2000 eurobucks | 11:58 |
| kerio | >missing the antennas | 11:58 |
| kerio | wtf | 11:58 |
| robbiethe1st | kerio: have to take them from your old case | 11:58 |
| kerio | i see | 11:58 |
| Hurrian | kerio, just spray the original ones in gold auto paint | 11:58 |
| thedead1440 | that's the point with missing antennas it becomes even more /genuine/ proto | 11:58 |
| robbiethe1st | There are a couple of little ribbon things | 11:58 |
| robbiethe1st | True | 11:58 |
| Hurrian | thedead1440: the more unusable it is, the more valuable it is to n950! | 11:59 |
| thedead1440 | Hurrian: hehe | 11:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Has this guy actually bought anything, that we know of? | 11:59 |
| robbiethe1st | And not, say, charge-backed it... | 11:59 |
| thedead1440 | robbiethe1st: alot search for n950 on TMO | 11:59 |
| Hurrian | robbiethe1st, well, none of his sources have been bitching, at least. | 11:59 |
| thedead1440 | one of is many protos: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88577 | 11:59 |
| robbiethe1st | That's good, I suppose | 12:00 |
| FIQ | like n950s would care, they're not sentinent :o | 12:00 |
| thedead1440 | s/ is/ his/ | 12:00 |
| infobot | thedead1440 meant: one of his many protos: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88577 | 12:00 |
| Hurrian | and, he's hinted at his other interwebs username, and it seems that he's a known collector at other websites | 12:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 thinks the n950 guy is playing photoshop prank on all of you ;-P | 12:00 | |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: no :p he's a known baboon :p | 12:00 |
| FIQ | ohhh it's someone who calls himself n950... | 12:01 |
| Hurrian | Photoshop? He can't load an Initrd to flasher! I told him that I won't answer any more of his support questions until he sends me a N950. | 12:01 |
| thedead1440 | lol Hurrian he pestered you to death right? | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have a few GTA04-MK-II prototypes here, from my time as senior EE at Openmoko. do you think he might be interested? | 12:02 |
| Hurrian | thedead1440: 6PMs. | 12:02 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: shove them in a n950 casing | 12:02 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: sadly only Nokia for him; even Lumia protos do | 12:02 |
| thedead1440 | Hurrian: *never* give him your email id; i did it once and live to regret it :D | 12:02 |
| Hurrian | thedead1440, I've got a Google Apps domain, I can simply set up a "n9protosale@domain.web" account for him to spam. | 12:04 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, those are the collectors. Interested in every crap of Ford company, but ignoring the real goodies like Lamborghini or better/more_rare | 12:04 |
| kerio | Estel_: btw, what happened to the aluminium body replacements? | 12:05 |
| thedead1440 | Hurrian: standard question from him "ok can i download 12.10 lubuntu version? last version where? link plz" I had 48 of that shit before i put him in Spam | 12:05 |
| Estel_ | kerio, see allu body thread | 12:05 |
| Estel_ | we have talked about it yesterday, here, too ;) | 12:06 |
| kerio | oic | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I could ask Nikolaus of goldelico to produce one small batch of GTA04 with "Design by Nokia R&D labs" on the PCB | 12:06 |
| Hurrian | thedead1440: 48? Jeebus chwist. | 12:06 |
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| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: Sell it as the "cheap Nokia Linux phone" thing that ended up being vaporware | 12:09 |
| Hurrian | oh, and only leave u-boot on it | 12:09 |
| Hurrian | He'll be bamboozled by the text. | 12:09 |
| thedead1440 | oh Meltemi | 12:09 |
| thedead1440 | that would call for 3,000 euros at least as it is unknown to man :D | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: haha | 12:10 |
| Hurrian | thedead1440, it seems that another silver N950 holder has appeared | 12:10 |
| thedead1440 | oh that T*** guy right? thats simply the standard B2 and later protos | 12:10 |
| thedead1440 | they seem to be getting cheaper; someone has recently bought one for just 700 euros | 12:11 |
| thedead1440 | he's an upgraded version of n950; he is not that dumb but same spam again :( | 12:11 |
| Hurrian | Still won't stop n950 from paying megabucks for it. | 12:11 |
| thedead1440 | hehe yup he will insist on paying more as it will mean its more rare for him | 12:12 |
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| FIQ | looks like the N9xx phone which was cancelled | 12:20 |
| FIQ | @thread | 12:20 |
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| Estel_ | erm, what about N900 in wooden case as exclusive model prototype for asian markets? | 13:27 |
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| Estel_ | or lego one :p (joking) | 13:28 |
| Lava_Croft | yes, its really for others to decide the value of what you like to collect | 13:31 |
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| chem|st | ~mirror | 13:33 |
| infobot | from memory, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 13:33 |
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| xes | Estel_: photos... | 14:29 |
| Estel_ | photos of what? | 14:32 |
| Estel_ | replica or replacement? | 14:32 |
| Estel_ | if the latter, sure, but won't happen very soon, for sure. I'm moving to new flat (which doesn't have internal walls yet, so need to finish it before), including all mess related to buying and selling estates | 14:33 |
| Estel_ | + my son got angine | 14:33 |
| xes | about the wip of the case.. | 14:33 |
| Estel_ | is it how this disease is called in english? | 14:34 |
| Estel_ | sure, ASAP | 14:34 |
| Estel_ | but not in this week for sure | 14:34 |
| Estel_ | not this week* | 14:34 |
| xes | ok, thanks | 14:35 |
| Estel_ | + I'll try to measure gain in new antenna type and show comparisions, I mean only internal one, without even using hiros ufl | 14:35 |
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| Estel_ | 3d scanner would help a lot, I even thought about building one via phase-shift method... | 14:36 |
| Estel_ | But can't do everything at once | 14:36 |
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| Estel_ | wut? | 14:38 |
| Estel_ | bq27200.sh said I'm charging at 1312 mA | 14:38 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, how come? | 14:39 |
| Estel_ | using Pali's charger, and reading data from i2c using bq27200.sh method | 14:39 |
| Estel_ | with device screen off, and battery @3200 mv before charging, it starts charging at 1312, *including* device power usage | 14:40 |
| Estel_ | so real power draw is somewhat higher by few tens | 14:40 |
| Estel_ | shouldn't 1250 be max thing allowed by chip? | 14:40 |
| kerio | it could be bogus data, you shouldn't be able to access the i2c bus when bq27x00_battery is loaded | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless using fuxored kp49(?) kernel with that unspeakable "patch" to neuter I2C flock | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which would allow bq27x00_battery kernel module and any arbitrary like i2cget to access any chip on i2c *concurrently* thus messing up stuf to the point where smoke escapes | 15:26 |
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| futpib | cd | 17:19 |
| teotwaki_ | efg | 17:20 |
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| amospalla | cmon, what's next? it's easy! | 17:42 |
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| kerio | q? | 17:54 |
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| futpib | does anyone know how keyboard layout switching works in maemo? | 18:22 |
| futpib | just push me in the right direction, because it seems to work nothing like on installations i have seen | 18:24 |
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| FIQ | you switch keyboard layout in the language settings | 18:31 |
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| freemangordon | futpib: use ctrl-space | 18:36 |
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| futpib | that is not what i mean | 18:39 |
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| futpib | look, if i do setxkbmap -option grp:ctrl_shift_toggle -layout ru,us it works not the way i expect | 18:39 |
| futpib | ctrl+space switching and ctrl+shift do work separately | 18:40 |
| freemangordon | don't use setxkbmap on n900 | 18:43 |
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| futpib | thanks lol | 18:43 |
| futpib | i have no problem with configuring things here, i just want to find out what did nokia invent for layout switching | 18:44 |
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| kerio | futpib: let us know if you find out | 18:48 |
| kerio | the keyboard handling is a mess | 18:49 |
| kerio | starting from qt applications not following your xkb layout | 18:49 |
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| Pali | what is CTCP-A request? | 19:04 |
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| kerio | perhaps it's ctcp action? | 19:10 |
| Pali | kerio, I got unknown CTCP-A request from you | 19:10 |
| kerio | wat | 19:10 |
| kerio | no you didn't | 19:10 |
| kerio | when? | 19:11 |
| Pali | [14:46:39] * Received unknown CTCP-A request by kerio!~kerio@Maemo/community/contributor/kerio | 19:11 |
| Pali | +0100 timezone | 19:11 |
| kerio | hm | 19:12 |
| kerio | i don't know what i did | 19:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] *.maemo.org "works" again - lightning fast. http://maemo.org has 503 though. We'll check that tomorrow. Repo is still down | 20:16 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: maemo.org worksforme | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] we just "fixed" the db, so http//maemo.org back to normal operation | 20:42 |
| kerio | i can't login | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | details please | 20:52 |
| kerio | Username or password was invalid. | 20:53 |
| kerio | garage logs in fine | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so "INVALID"? | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since "CND" | 20:54 |
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| kerio | i go to http://maemo.org/ | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we just re-enabled the db, so maybe you need to refresh/reload the page where you tried to log in | 20:55 |
| kerio | i left click on the username box, i type "kerio", i type tab, i type my password, i press enter | 20:55 |
| kerio | and i'm redirected to the login page | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same here | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for reporting | 20:56 |
| kerio | who stores the passwords? garage, right? | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could you try wiki for example? | 20:58 |
| kerio | i'm logged in the wiki | 20:58 |
| kerio | logging in there works fine | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, you are already logged in on wiki.maemo.org? | 20:58 |
| kerio | yes | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah? | 20:58 |
| kerio | i thought they were separate | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you were logged in or login worked? | 20:59 |
| kerio | both | 20:59 |
| kerio | i tried logging out and in | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, same here | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I informed Eero. If he feels like "not my domain" I'll forward to whom it may concern | 21:00 |
| kerio | was the firewall fixed, or was it just restarted? | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please ping me immediately (and repeatedly) as soon as *.m.o seems to slow down again. We tweaked FW | 21:00 |
| kerio | yay | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | me or warfare | 21:01 |
| kerio | ...and now i really, really want to ping you regarding the slowness of rmo | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mmmpf | 21:01 |
| kerio | although it's connecting to it, weird | 21:01 |
| kerio | didn't it use to refuse connections altogether? | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it shouldn't | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for a very short while it did | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some 10 min ago | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now port policy is DROP | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | closed on FW now | 21:02 |
| kerio | i see | 21:03 |
| kerio | DROP isn't very nice :( | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's very nice... for the FW ;-P | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:03 |
| kerio | isn't... huh, REJECT? also nice for the FW? | 21:03 |
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| kerio | oh, there's no such thing | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, REJ needs a ICMP send | 21:03 |
| ShadowJK | tcp rst | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or that | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DROP doesn't need *anything* on FW side | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just *forget about it* | 21:04 |
| kerio | i see | 21:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually we will move repo to exposed tomorrow, until then I don't care | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cya, o/ | 21:06 |
| kerio | o/ HEIL JOERG | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tzzz those italians | 21:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mln KERIO | 21:10 |
| kerio | mln? | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | = <finger> | 21:11 |
| kerio | oh | 21:11 |
| kerio | well, that isn't nice >:c | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my answer to HAIL | 21:11 |
| kerio | when are we going to invade jolland? | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in Germany you're close to prison with those 7 chars | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless my friends catch you before police | 21:13 |
| kerio | heh, i wish italy was similar :s | 21:13 |
| kerio | here, we've got "reformed" fascist politicians who haven't really changed at all | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | you are overreacting | 21:14 |
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| KotCzarny | usa is doing worse things already | 21:14 |
| KotCzarny | but just pretending it's not happening | 21:14 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know, but then who likes USA. I at least don't have to live there, and that's the way I like it | 21:15 |
| KotCzarny | americans do like | 21:15 |
| futpib | what is bad about USA? | 21:16 |
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| KotCzarny | hypocrisy (?) | 21:16 |
| merlin1991 | futpib: lots of things .D | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, before I have to enforce the "no politics" rule, I prefer to say "cya l8r" again, and wander off | 21:17 |
| kerio | futpib: corporations as legal persons, deep, ingrained ignorance caused by mass media, corrupt police and military | 21:17 |
| kerio | hey, i didn't know there was such a rule | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's afreenode rule iirc | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, 'free' | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | as long you don't trespass the rules | 21:18 |
| qwazix_ | "corrupt police and military" | 21:18 |
| merlin1991 | hm I don't remember any rule about trashing freenode though | 21:19 |
| merlin1991 | let's rage about not being able to discuss politics in here :D | 21:19 |
| qwazix_ | is like saying water is transparent | 21:19 |
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| kerio | "In accordance with UK law freenode and the PDPC have no tolerance for any activity which could be construed as incitement to racial hatred or religious hatred" | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | incitement != talking about politics | 21:20 |
| merlin1991 | just to throw one stone before this is over, I'd say insane "anti terror" laws that essentially make fundamental rights non-existing | 21:21 |
| * merlin1991 goes and checks the freenode policy | 21:21 | |
| kerio | oh, yeah, violating habeas corpus, always fun | 21:21 |
| merlin1991 | hm gotta love how the poilcy has an explicit note that you can talk about p2p applications, just not about unlawfull content :D | 21:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | You guys are silly. | 21:33 |
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| Pali | $ dig talk.maemo.org --> talk.maemo.org. 13472 IN A 188.117.59.209 | 21:39 |
| Pali | no CNAME | 21:39 |
| Pali | What happened? Nokia fixed DNS? | 21:39 |
| qwazix_ | \o/ | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yes, several days ago | 22:04 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, garage project tracers not working... I sent mail directly to Ferenc and CC to council | 22:05 |
| Pali | Ferenc already fixed fixed some problems which I had with garage (project admin permission, svn-->git conversion), so I think he can fix also this bug | 22:06 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, problem is fixed, this was very very quick :-) | 22:12 |
| Pali | see mail from Ferenc | 22:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seems we *finally* established some SOP to handle maintenance that actually works, eh? | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a pity this won't last for long, as things are now | 22:16 |
| kerio | why? | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe until end of March HiFo finds a sponsor who's willing to pay for decent administration | 22:17 |
| kerio | i thought we had plenty of good volunteer sysops | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | none of them has a faintest idea about this particular stuff though, they are all system operators, not maemo maintainers | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | keeping a VM up-to-date or configuring a firewall is quite a different matter than fixing bugs in garage | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | garage is midgard, which basically nobody but nemein knows about | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | how to keep one's work | 22:21 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 22:21 |
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| kerio | KotCzarny: we can't really afford to pay them, though :) | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | reminds me of dilbert and his 'very legacy systems' | 22:26 |
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| futpib | was maemo community too expensive for nokia? | 22:30 |
| nox- | elop doesnt care about maemo i suspect... | 22:30 |
| kerio | futpib: well, yes | 22:34 |
| kerio | we costed more than 0 | 22:34 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, anyone here knowledgeable with c and dl_opened objects? | 22:35 |
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| Pali | KotCzarny, what do you want to know? | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | pali, i have a program P which dlopens D, how can i call functions from P in a function in D ? | 22:42 |
| nox- | link with --export-dynamic maybe? | 22:43 |
| nox- | (may pass that with -B to cc) | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | which one? | 22:43 |
| nox- | P | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | letsse.. | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | -B didn't work | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '--export-dynamic' | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | and -B compiled, but still got undefined symbol when i tried to dlopen | 22:45 |
| nox- | i meant -B--export-dynamic but seems -rdynamic does the same | 22:46 |
| nox- | oh and its one - not -- | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | hm, -rdynamic worked | 22:46 |
| nox- | :) | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | but how can i export single function? | 22:47 |
| nox- | hmm good q... | 22:47 |
| nox- | ah: "You can also use the version script to control what symbols should be added to the dynamic symbol table if the output format supports it. See the description of --version-script in @ref{VERSION}." | 22:48 |
| nox- | man ld | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: I'd think you need callbacks for that | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | doc, nope, -rdynamic works, so i guess i just need --dynamic-list | 22:51 |
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| KotCzarny | -Wl,--dynamic-list=osc.shared | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:55 |
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| nox- | :) | 22:57 |
| * freemangordon finally slowly migrates to ubuntu :) | 22:59 | |
| KotCzarny | amazingly, glibc's sin/cos is faster than lookup table | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 23:00 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: on device? | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | on x86 | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | i have yet to test it on device | 23:00 |
| freemangordon | well, FPU? | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | but the difference is about 2x | 23:01 |
| freemangordon | could be something with pipelines | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | could be something with core duo | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | last time i checked it on x86 i had pentium-m | 23:02 |
| freemangordon | well, I guess FPUs have advanced since then :) | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | good for them | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | damn, libxul linking takes ages :( | 23:06 |
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| WizardNumberNext | hello everybody | 23:08 |
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| WizardNumberNext | believe it or not, but I do not only store my fully charged batteries in freezer, but charge (in desktop charger) batteries in fridge. I got a lot better results, then charging batteries in "room temperature". Now they are very rigid with voltage. Before I was getting quite big difference of voltage with different current. Now I am getting small, almost non-existing, difference in voltage and that's even with current reaching | 23:14 |
| WizardNumberNext | 420mA. Difference is up to 20mV | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | as long you don't punt device in the freezer it's fine | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | rohs is a b*tch | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | *put | 23:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is bitch | 23:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is really nice efect though | 23:16 |
| WizardNumberNext | and batteries almost do not self-discharge | 23:16 |
| WizardNumberNext | KotCzarny: that sounds polish | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | is it worth the effort tho? | 23:16 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I have two external desktop chargers | 23:16 |
| WizardNumberNext | I do not care | 23:17 |
| KotCzarny | original batteries are quite good quality | 23:17 |
| WizardNumberNext | but it weird to open freezer every morning to take one spare battery | 23:17 |
| WizardNumberNext | there are quite good | 23:17 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I had some BL-5F for N95 and they were good as well, as soon as I touched non-original I didn't get good results | 23:18 |
| WizardNumberNext | original was very stable with voltage, non-original was crap - I was able to turn off N95 using few devices at the same time. On N95 it was fairly easy to get over 1A out off battery | 23:19 |
| WizardNumberNext | which is more then strong charger - 890mA | 23:19 |
| WizardNumberNext | now I got original nokia's batteries for my n900 and they are great | 23:20 |
| WizardNumberNext | but bit small for n900 | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | go mugen | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | 2x | 23:21 |
| WizardNumberNext | I do not fancy different cover and no camera shutter | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | would you fancy ~3Ah ? | 23:22 |
| WizardNumberNext | I really need camera shatter - I am builder | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | make one then | 23:22 |
| WizardNumberNext | I would fancy 132Ah | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | you couldn't handle 132Ah | 23:22 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is possible with same size of battery | 23:22 |
| WizardNumberNext | back in 2008 technology was invented, which can incrise 100 times Li-ion batteries | 23:23 |
| WizardNumberNext | obviously no company is using it | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | too unstable? | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | also it takes 20 years or something for the patents to expire ;) | 23:24 |
| WizardNumberNext | can you imagine: when did you last charged mobile? I do not remember, it was back in november | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | since when chinese obey patent law? | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | Anyway, what people invent in laboratories doesn't necessarily have the same benefit once it gets engineered to be suitable for production use | 23:24 |
| Madry72 | just too expensive I guess ... | 23:24 |
| WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: up to 100 years | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | You're thinking of disney's copyright | 23:25 |
| WizardNumberNext | Madry72: considering amount of power it can store I would buy it | 23:25 |
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| ShadowJK | Also, when mass media reports on these laboratory discoveries, they often confused voltage, power, and energy | 23:26 |
| WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: very well known one - aspirin - patented in US | 23:26 |
| WizardNumberNext | back in 1901 | 23:26 |
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| WizardNumberNext | patent expired in 2001 | 23:26 |
| WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: it is not mass media | 23:26 |
| Madry72 | I was tyrying to say ...to expensive even for massive production | 23:26 |
| WizardNumberNext | I was digging quite a lot | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | wnn: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/03/heat-channelling-carbon-nanotubes-produce-100x-more-energy-than-li-ion-batteries/ this one? | 23:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | Madry72: too expensive for massive production - yes, but only because you won't have to buy new battery | 23:27 |
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| WizardNumberNext | no, not this one | 23:28 |
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| KotCzarny | link then, pls | 23:28 |
| WizardNumberNext | if we talk about other technologies, then solid-melting battery is able to store many time then Li-ion | 23:28 |
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| WizardNumberNext | not really up to digging again | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | keyword? | 23:29 |
| WizardNumberNext | li-ion | 23:29 |
| WizardNumberNext | in first 30 results | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | most of these 'more than' battery stories are bullahit | 23:29 |
| WizardNumberNext | do not look specificly for it - it is in some article about li-ion in general | 23:30 |
| WizardNumberNext | might be even wikipedia | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | based on research that sort of in some ways contsins the number 100 | 23:30 |
| WizardNumberNext | SpeedEvil: you are right - most of them | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | and does not reflect actual whole producable batteries | 23:31 |
| Madry72 | SpeedEvil: not really bullshit, but will take some time while they reach the market | 23:31 |
| WizardNumberNext | should they specificaly say 98.7654321 times more or something similar? | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | Seems like patent on aspirin expired in the US in 1917. | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | it's like claiming making a battery label half the thickness - and advertising it as a 100% improvement in capacity | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | WizardNumberNext: no, it's that that 100* - when made into a battery may end up as 1.3* | 23:32 |
| WizardNumberNext | that is strange, germany refussed to patent bayer's aspirin, so he patented it in US | 23:32 |
| SpeedEvil | and yes, it's that bad often | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, thx nox-, and nite nite everyone | 23:33 |
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| WizardNumberNext | SpeedEvil: I agree | 23:33 |
| WizardNumberNext | to get to really different capacity, you need to change technology | 23:34 |
| WizardNumberNext | like it was with Ni-Cd and Ni-MH batteries | 23:34 |
| WizardNumberNext | but Ni-MH cannot give you big C, while Ni-Cd is perfectly capable of providing you 10C | 23:35 |
| WizardNumberNext | Ni-MH would get seriously damaged above 2C | 23:35 |
| WizardNumberNext | actually Li-ion have same problem - no much juice out of them | 23:35 |
| WizardNumberNext | 2-3C and you risk flying fire | 23:36 |
| merlin1991 | C ? | 23:36 |
| WizardNumberNext | but you can charge them very damn fast | 23:36 |
| WizardNumberNext | C - same current as capacity so, if battery is 1000mAh, then 1C is 1000mA | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | It depends mostly on the specific cell construction | 23:37 |
| WizardNumberNext | you cannot actually make new construction - every idea which was possible is used already | 23:38 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is bit impossible to create new kind of construction | 23:38 |
| Madry72 | alcohol ? | 23:39 |
| WizardNumberNext | in Li-ion | 23:39 |
| WizardNumberNext | not exactly alcohol, but very damn close | 23:40 |
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| Madry72 | what do y mean ? | 23:40 |
| ShadowJK | Separator thickness, cathode and anode thickness, cathode and anode surface area. The ionic diffusion speed of the electrolyte. It's all a balancing act. The elite brand nimh cells are good for about 20C, their capacity is lower. The BL-5J in Nokia N900 has .7C/2C charge/discharge limits, but say a Turnigy Nanotech would be 5C/60C, but in the same physical size would have much much less capacity than 1320mAh :) | 23:41 |
| WizardNumberNext | yes, but this is not construction, but chemistry | 23:42 |
| WizardNumberNext | Madry72: read wikipedia article about Li-ion | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | The basic chemistry and reaction is the same | 23:43 |
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| WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: I know a lot about rechargable batteries. You said nothing new. But you gave me tip in your post about BL-5J, which I missed few times in row | 23:44 |
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| ShadowJK | what | 23:45 |
| WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: I have no idea, why they made 2C discharge limit, while it is pretty hard to go over 1C on N900 | 23:45 |
| WizardNumberNext | charge discharge limits | 23:45 |
| WizardNumberNext | I was wondering, why in hell I cannot get anywhere past 9xxmA | 23:46 |
| WizardNumberNext | on charging | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | Well that's because it's programmed for 950mA charging current | 23:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | having 6W of power from "charger" (actually it is just PSU) | 23:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | I think I never got even 950mA | 23:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | mostly I am getting around 850mA maybe slightly less | 23:47 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | how well does the vbus test pad handle 6vdc | 23:49 |
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| peterbjornx_n900 | as ive got a bad battery and | 23:49 |
| WizardNumberNext | peterbjornx_n900: do you mean USB vbus? | 23:49 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | im currently "charging" my n900 from 4xAA batterys | 23:50 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | yes ,usb vbus | 23:50 |
| WizardNumberNext | drop it right now | 23:50 |
| WizardNumberNext | AA battery is more then 1.5v when at full capacity | 23:50 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | done, i've been using this for about 3 hours upto now | 23:51 |
| ShadowJK | 950mA - system load | 23:51 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | no problems yet | 23:51 |
| WizardNumberNext | and you need usb enumeration or D+D- connected | 23:51 |
| WizardNumberNext | anyway 6V is a bit dangerous | 23:51 |
| WizardNumberNext | you can actually use 3 AA, then it is safe | 23:52 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | i have the D testpads soldered together as i dont have a usb port anymore | 23:52 |
| WizardNumberNext | charger have inverter inside, so it would boost it if needed | 23:52 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | didnt work | 23:52 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | "not charging" | 23:52 |
| WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: I've been there - not nice | 23:52 |
| WizardNumberNext | you might be below 4.2V | 23:53 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | they were new when i tried | 23:53 |
| WizardNumberNext | you cannot go over 6V - it is absolute maximum for bq24xxx charger | 23:53 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | ok | 23:53 |
| nox- | ~flatbatrecover | 23:54 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover | 23:54 |
| WizardNumberNext | so now it might be safe for 4, but remeber to not go over 6V | 23:54 |
| nox- | would that help? | 23:54 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | well ive disconnected it now | 23:54 |
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| WizardNumberNext | nox: it won't read peterbjornx_n900 posts again - he have no usb socket there | 23:55 |
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| nox- | :( | 23:55 |
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| WizardNumberNext | peterbjornx_n900: you can get external charger | 23:55 |
| WizardNumberNext | I have two desktop chargers | 23:55 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | but i thought a full AA would due to high internal R never go over about 1.2v | 23:55 |
| WizardNumberNext | and 5 batteries | 23:55 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | but my n900 works | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | peterbjornx_n900, it starts out at 0 load, so it sees the full voltage | 23:56 |
| WizardNumberNext | it depends on battery, its type and so on | 23:56 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | its just that the battery ,after charging for 24 hrs, cant power it for 30 mins | 23:56 |
| WizardNumberNext | you can try with Ni-MH though - 4 of them would make it 1.2 | 23:56 |
| nox- | dead battery? | 23:56 |
| WizardNumberNext | and Ni-MH have almost perfectly flat discharge chart | 23:57 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is definitely dead | 23:57 |
| WizardNumberNext | mine does charge max 4 hours, till there's no current going in at all | 23:57 |
| WizardNumberNext | I think it won't be above 3 hours, but never actually tried to find out exact time | 23:58 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | are new batterys still available? | 23:59 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | ext chrgr didnt help | 23:59 |
| WizardNumberNext | when it would be dying plug those batteries (or bring 5v from usb or two of them) and see the current now in bq27200 | 23:59 |
| WizardNumberNext | yes - I bought mine month ago | 23:59 |
| WizardNumberNext | genuine | 23:59 |
| WizardNumberNext | on ebay | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | The new Nokia BL-5J has a bit of a capacity boost compared to the original 2008/2009 Nokia BL-5j | 23:59 |
| tttupn | I installed some upgrades from cssu devel. Now some widgets are missing (and I can't edit), Segmentation fault while configuring hildon-application-manager (I tried several versions), Watchdog is rebooting device (I disabled the watchdog). Any hints? | 23:59 |
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