IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-01-07

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ShadowJKhuh, I'm getting negative values in the diff column now :-)00:07
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DocScrutinizer05doing "boring2 stuff while i'd like to discuss low level technical pr0n00:07
DocScrutinizer05boring stuff like worrying about servers for future maemo.org infra00:08
DocScrutinizer05actually all but boring, rather annoying and exhausting00:08
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ShadowJKThe only card I've got where flashbench shows conclusive results for erase block size, is a recent-ish 32g sandisk00:19
wirrShadowJK, I've found this thread to give quite some insights on working with flashbench: http://lists.linaro.org/pipermail/flashbench-results/2012-July/000308.html00:21
ShadowJKooh, there's a mailing list for flashbench? nice00:21
wirr:-)00:22
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HtheBqwazix: you there?00:24
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wirranyway, thanks everybody for your support - see you soon00:46
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: (the only card...) you know even a dead watch is right, two times a day ;-D01:10
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rlinfatiHi DocScrutinizer05 , about the maps for maemo5 and maemo6, check this.03:50
rlinfatifor framantle: http://pastebin.com/J1j1AKQE03:50
rlinfatiwe need the maps, and the index... this example only download the global (continental?) maps.03:50
rlinfatilike 1 = america, 2 europe, 3 africa, 4 asia, 5 oceania ( see the xml file )03:52
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rlinfatiand the "15" is Chile03:52
rlinfati( for more country, see the xml file )03:52
rlinfatifor harmattan i not have the last version (0.2.47.103), but is easy to change the script http://pastebin.com/yDteE3ZM03:54
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rlinfatifor harmattan we need the maps, the index, and also the voices03:55
rlinfatibye......03:56
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GeneralAntillesAnybody around I can quiz about migration issues?04:12
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: shoot04:27
GeneralAntillesvcs.maemo.org SSL cert still stalled with Nokia?04:27
DocScrutinizer05err yep, I think so04:28
GeneralAntillesOK04:28
GeneralAntillesThanks04:28
GeneralAntillesPlaying catchup on MWKN04:28
GeneralAntillesUnplanned 2-week holiday.04:28
DocScrutinizer05that's all ?04:28
DocScrutinizer05o.O04:29
GeneralAntillesI managed to suss out the coding competition device winner status.04:29
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DocScrutinizer05you need MWKN stuff?04:30
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GeneralAntillesGot plenty, I think.04:31
GeneralAntilles2-week backlog.04:31
DocScrutinizer05how about appending content of http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts to your /etc/hosts?04:31
GeneralAntillesAhh, good one.04:32
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DocScrutinizer05I guess you'll have enough topics for next 4 MWKN04:33
DocScrutinizer05last council meeting alone is enough for a whole MWKN issue04:34
GeneralAntillesHmm, don't see the minutes in here.04:34
DocScrutinizer05that's since mentalist been absent04:34
DocScrutinizer05and I guess he will need a tad longer than usual for the meeting minutes this time ;-)04:35
GeneralAntillesI'll wait for the minutes.04:35
DocScrutinizer05since we basically discussed migration strategy04:36
GeneralAntillesJaffa and fiferboy are MIA on the editing front.04:36
DocScrutinizer05ivgalvez also MIA, in hospital04:36
GeneralAntillesOops. Hope he's OK.04:37
DocScrutinizer05hope so04:37
DocScrutinizer05sent a msg Thu or Fr04:37
DocScrutinizer05some virus or sth04:38
GeneralAntillesSerious for hospitalization.04:38
DocScrutinizer05dehydration04:38
DocScrutinizer05so, I hope nothing they wouldn't be able to handle in a hospital04:39
GeneralAntillesPump him full of saline.04:40
DocScrutinizer05:nod:04:40
DocScrutinizer05but usually you feel like shit(ting) for quite a few days, from my experience04:41
GeneralAntillesNot fun when it's coming out both ends.04:41
DocScrutinizer05:nod:04:41
DocScrutinizer05we'd really need him, council and esp board04:42
DocScrutinizer05but fist of all he shall get well again04:42
DocScrutinizer05first*04:42
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: maybe better test if MWKN works at all ;-)04:44
GeneralAntillesHaha04:44
GeneralAntillesWell04:44
GeneralAntillesI sent an email before the holidays asking if we wanted to take a break04:45
GeneralAntillesGarage sent me back an undeliverable about 10 days later.04:45
DocScrutinizer05Nemeion should have put all old *.maemo.org into r/o mode04:45
DocScrutinizer05oooh mwkn.net04:46
DocScrutinizer05I guess that's unrelated :-)04:46
DocScrutinizer05where is it hosted?04:47
GeneralAntillesJaffa's dedi04:47
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GeneralAntillesDon't think it relies on anything on maemo.org04:48
DocScrutinizer05mhm04:48
DocScrutinizer05prolly not04:48
DocScrutinizer05nice site to publish stuff, when m.o is "down"04:48
DocScrutinizer05re cert: we can renew that when and as soon as hiFo owns the domain04:51
DocScrutinizer05re cert2: we got a fix in CSSU for the TURKTRUST vulnerability04:52
DocScrutinizer05aiui merlin1991 will ship it next few hours04:52
jonwilso who is maintaining maemo-security-certman-common-ca then (certificate DB)?04:54
jonwilold maintainer? CSSU?04:54
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DocScrutinizer05well, actually i'm not quite sure if we really already got that fix05:00
DocScrutinizer05assumed that since the guys hurried to ship a new T release05:01
DocScrutinizer05had no time to follow up the details05:01
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jonwilIt looks like merlin1991 made the actual change (i.e. there is no commit to the "upstream" repo) but where the actual content of that change came from I dont know (for example, who has whatever key is used to manage the signature at the end of certman.blacklist)05:22
jonwilanyhow, the main thing is that it IS being kept up to date with compromized certificates05:22
DocScrutinizer05I guess they used cert of CSSU then05:24
jonwilwe would need to ask merlin1991...05:24
DocScrutinizer05or nuked the signature of blacklist, which is a nonsense in my book anyway05:24
DocScrutinizer05tbh I don't see why anybody is signing the list with certs *I* decided to trust or not to trust05:25
DocScrutinizer05and which process is checking such signature, with which ley, and who's checking/signing the process that does this check05:27
DocScrutinizer05s/ley/key/05:28
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: and which process is checking such signature, with which key, and who's checking/signing the process that does this check05:28
DocScrutinizer05this doesn't make sense, in fremantle05:29
DocScrutinizer05thank God it doesn't, otherwise we had Aegis' predecessor05:30
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: anyway, according to that script on tmo, removing certs is no problem05:34
DocScrutinizer05maybe they are just shipping that script as postinstall05:35
DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1311592#post131159205:36
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2013-01-06.log.html#t2013-01-06T21:11:1506:08
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internetishardIs there one source to check the latest n900 firmware? Or are there 3rd party firmwares too?06:42
internetishardAlso, how do you make it auto switch back to a real connection after switching to the MMS apn?06:51
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Luke-Jrinternetishard: Gentoo ftw07:00
internetishardI don't follow, gentoo on n900?07:03
internetishardLuke-Jr: ...07:03
Luke-Jrright07:04
internetishardthat's a chroot, I don't see what you're answering...07:05
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Luke-Jrinternetishard: you can boot it07:09
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internetishardgot an example to link me to?07:11
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internetishardI think after all these years we should have easily bootable states we can pop into the n900. Like images or configuration management scripts to setup to a certain state.07:12
Luke-Jrnot really, I think I documented it somewhere, but I forget where <.<07:13
Luke-Jrhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N90007:14
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Paliping DocScrutinizer0509:33
Paliwhat is with autobuilder?09:33
Paliwhen will be online?09:33
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: Sorry about that. Realised in bed last night.10:14
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: Daughter's birthday today, so I might have limited time to fix it up10:14
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n3mu5#j ubuntu13:32
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, no worries. I have time today. Be with your family, and happy birthday to your daughter.13:43
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thedead1440andre__: is it possible to get an export of bugzilla bugs packages?14:22
andre__thedead1440, I don't know what "bugs packages" are, plus which Bugzilla?14:23
andre__do you mean bug reports / tivckets?14:23
thedead1440yes bug reports + tickets14:23
thedead1440the only bugzilla not on maemo.org seems to be for harmattan14:23
andre__depends on which projects you refer to.14:23
andre__e.g. there's also bugs.meego.com14:24
andre__or the private Nokia Bugzilla instance.14:24
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thedead1440https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/14:24
thedead1440^^ that one14:24
andre__thedead1440, I have nothing to do with harmattan-bugs.nokia.com14:25
andre__that's nokia.com14:25
andre__hence Nokia territory.14:25
thedead1440ah ok; sorry for the trouble then. Thanks!14:25
andre__not even sure if I still have shell access to bugs.maemo.org TBH14:25
thedead1440oh; was just trying on a lead from TMO14:26
andre__I'm wondering who in Nokia to ask. Problem is that I have no clue who is left there.14:28
andre__maybe maybe maybe Eric Le Roux is still there, but nobody else comes to my mind.14:28
andre__I remember that some "good" folks in Nokia set up harmattan-bugs.nokia.com by bypassing official ways.14:28
andre__and Eric was one of them (the others coming to my mind have definitely left, Eric I don't know but probably too)14:29
thedead1440:(14:29
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thedead1440Eric Le Roux: I'm the EX-MeeGo EM Lead who used to work @ Nokia. Viva Bugzilla!14:31
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andre__Ah. Where did you find that?14:34
thedead1440https://twitter.com/erkki7014:34
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andre__thedead1440, but why would you want harmattan-bugs.nokia.com anyway?14:34
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thedead1440in case Nokia stops hosting it soon and it provides information on bugs, comments and workarounds14:35
andre__well, you could just carete a readonly copy?14:35
andre__it's been closed for ages anyway.14:36
thedead1440indeed HTML files would then be used right?14:36
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andre__1150 bug reports only. That's easy to crawl.14:37
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Estel_~seen Pali17:34
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dhfdhfg~seen Pali17:34
infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 3h 41m 34s ago, saying: 'seems that tool "cmcli" could do that... there is -a param and need to specify "blacklist" domain'.17:35
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Estel_freemangordon,  ping - do you, by any chance, read maemo-developers mailing list?17:35
merlin1991I supose you mean QF9700 post?17:36
* Estel_ nods17:37
Estel_do you have any info I've missed, merlin1991?17:38
merlin1991nope, do you know anything about someone trying to upstream that driver?17:38
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Estel_I vaguely remember google results about it being put into list - just missed "window" for submitting things for next kernel, or something like that17:39
Estel_i.e. it's rather about organizational things, bot bugs. AFAIK, sources are pretty clean, and no one usikng it encountered problems with modules itself (many, many people use it on desktops, compiling against own or mainstream kernels)17:40
Estel_google'ing now for more details about upstreaming17:41
Estel_although, as dm9601 made it into kernel, and it was released the same way - linux and android "generic" version released by Davicom + sources...17:42
Estel_it seems, that upstreaming this one too is a must.17:42
Estel_'a must' as in "just a matter of time"17:43
Estel_great, first result in google for "qf9700 kernel mainstream" is my mail to maemo-developers in mailing list archive, lol17:43
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DocScrutinizer05Estel_: I'll remove your infobot ignore, please don't mess with factoids17:57
DocScrutinizer05general factoid rule: nobody usually ever redefines factoids17:58
DocScrutinizer05create new ones if you like, and please prepend "#maemo " to the key, if factoid is not a globaly true one17:59
DocScrutinizer05~literal flash17:59
infobot"flash" is "<reply>see flashing"17:59
DocScrutinizer05~literal #maemo flash18:00
DocScrutinizer05meh18:00
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DocScrutinizer05~literal #maemo closed18:01
infobot"#maemo closed" is "http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages"18:01
DocScrutinizer05~literal closed18:01
infobot"#maemo closed" is "http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages"18:01
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infobotEstel_: I'll remove your infobot ignore, please don't mess with factoids. general factoid rule: nobody usually ever redefines factoids. create new ones if you like, and please prepend "#maemo " to the key, if factoid is not a globaly true one18:05
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Estel_Thanks DocScrutinizer05. No worries, I think everyone is more happy with me messing in Maemo internals, than Maemo politics. Furthermore, I'm more happy with it, too :D18:28
DocScrutinizer05happy users, that's what we like most :-D18:29
jonwilI try to avoid politics too18:29
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jonwilI am much happier knee deep inside some ARM ASM or some C code than I am trying to deal with political BS :)18:29
DocScrutinizer05anyway, infobot ignore removed18:29
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: you're speaking big truth18:31
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DocScrutinizer05except for me it's technical concepts18:32
DocScrutinizer05whatever18:32
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DocScrutinizer05[general notice] our awesome CSSU crew shipped a CSSU-T7.2 version today that's supposed to fix the annoying TURKTRUST cert issue. AIUI we're 3rd "distro" that acted accordingly, worldwide :-D18:33
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jonwilI feel for all those people stuck on old builds of Android and iOS who will never see updates that blacklist these compromised certificates18:47
jonwilOn Maemo the relevant code and data is LGPL and can continue to be updated into the future as long as someone is out there with a N900, the skills to update the package and the interest and desire to do so18:48
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juozapashi can u recommend some app for counting bandwidth when connected to cellular network (not wifi) ?19:18
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amermelaosup19:31
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, merlin1991: I have small hildon dialog application which ask user if he want to change Nokia supl server to Google supl19:38
freemangordonPali: you are hero man :)19:39
Paliwith 4 buttons: YES (always), NO (never), YES (for now), NO (for now)19:39
freemangordonPali: BTW why not on #maemo-ssu?19:39
PaliI'm19:40
freemangordonhmm?19:40
Paliah, now I see its on #maemo19:40
freemangordon:D19:40
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kerioPali: "for now"?19:53
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: How's it going? Should be able to assist in the next hour or so :-/20:44
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, slow. Had some unexpected company this morning. Not too many more left, though.20:46
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: Online now. Need to get the kids to bed21:55
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NeutrinoPowermaybe my N900 is destroyed, I didn't chanced the software on maemo, last time I listed music before a few hours but now it doesn't boot, only until the white-blue Nokia-bootscreen disappears... :(22:33
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lufNeutrinoPower: what repositories are you using?22:38
kerioNeutrinoPower: battery?22:38
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kerioluf: easier things first22:38
DocScrutinizer05Gadgetoid: good seller! complete and new device in perfect condition. will buy again any time. :-D22:39
kerioDocScrutinizer05: 5th?22:41
DocScrutinizer05yup22:41
kerioneeds a name22:42
DocScrutinizer05hmm, I got 2 others without a name22:42
kerioyou monster :(22:42
DocScrutinizer05i might it call gift22:43
DocScrutinizer05since it came in awesome xmas paper22:43
keriogadget90022:43
DocScrutinizer05also nice22:43
keriowhat about the other two, though? :s22:44
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DocScrutinizer05hm, scarface and blue22:44
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keriois there a history for those names?22:45
DocScrutinizer05scarface is really used, and blue came from bluefon22:45
kerioheh22:45
kerioDocScrutinizer05: now i feel kinda bad22:45
keriothe current n900 is kerio900 for obvious reasons22:46
keriobut the old n900 is still there in its box22:46
kerioand he used to be kerio90022:46
kerio*his box22:46
NeutrinoPowerluf: extras-testing and extras-devel22:46
kerio...i suppose that he's still kerio900, just without a battery and not being used anymore22:46
NeutrinoPowerit also didn't boot with USB-connection but now I hear the start-sound22:47
DocScrutinizer05she!22:47
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you choose the gender of your own phones, i choose the gender of mine22:47
RST38hkerio: You have just reminded me22:47
kerioDocScrutinizer05: btw, wanna buy a phone with a broken usb port?22:48
DocScrutinizer05depends22:48
RST38hMuch quieter this way.22:48
kerioRST38h: glad to help22:49
NeutrinoPoweryeah, the N900 works again! :)22:49
NeutrinoPowerI dont' know why22:49
kerioDocScrutinizer05: italian keyboard, not sure which hv rev, rapuyama had some problems, usb port is nonworking but can still get a connection somehow22:50
keriofairly scratched22:50
kerio...i'm not sure why i still have it22:51
DocScrutinizer05isn't worth the shipping22:51
NeutrinoPowerI have activated "SmartReflex" since a few weeks without problems22:51
kerioNeutrinoPower: it should work without issues with a recent kernel-power22:51
DocScrutinizer05unless you got a hw rev where it fails22:52
cehtehlike mine :P22:52
kerioooh, there are some known hv revs where it fails?22:52
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cehtehdoes it make a noticeable difference on the n900?22:52
DocScrutinizer05that's a particularly good question22:53
keriocehteh: eeh, probably not22:53
DocScrutinizer05never heard any *hard* numbers22:53
DocScrutinizer05after all it's just hw driven Vcore vs sw-controlled Vcore changing22:53
DocScrutinizer05aiui22:53
keriocan't really hurt though, if it works22:54
cehtehwith an undervolted device there isnt much room for driving vcore22:54
keriocehteh: oh you22:54
DocScrutinizer05so the main difference would be in less "overhead" for switching Vcore "manually" and using up CPU cycles for that22:54
kerioDocScrutinizer05: the cpu cycles are probably used anyway, though22:55
keriocehteh: is undervolting really worth it?22:55
DocScrutinizer05yup, unless you deactivate the Vcore switching in sw22:55
cehtehcpu cycles when the cpu is awake are not that expensive22:55
DocScrutinizer05:nod:22:56
cehtehkerio: yes, with some caution, and dont do it too extreme, but the stock values are on a 'save bet which works everywhere' so there is quite some room22:56
cehtehbut its really hard to debug and proof22:56
GadgetoidDocScrutinizer05: Thanks, don't happen to want a Tapwave Zodiac do you? hahaha22:57
cehtehanyways i found out that the dsp was malfunctioning on the low freq undervoltate, not on high frequency22:57
cehtehthat was a pita to find out22:57
DocScrutinizer05Gadgetoid: probably not22:57
cehtehincreased voltage for the 250mhz combo slightly fixed it22:57
GadgetoidDocScrutinizer05: That's okay… nobody does :D22:57
keriohm, the cpu on this one can't stand the "ideal" kernel-config22:58
GadgetoidGot my Revo K101 from the office today, nice GBA clone22:58
cehtehideal is undervolting22:58
kerio(500-850)22:58
keriowhich i'm not really sure why is called "ideal"22:58
cehtehi have 250-850 derrived from ideal but slightly adapted22:58
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keriomeh, OCing isn't really worth it imo22:59
cehtehyes .. and its a very specific thing to your device22:59
cehtehmore ram :(22:59
cehtehoc helps a little in few apps ...22:59
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cehtehwhat would help a lot would be more ram or compcache/zram at least23:00
DocScrutinizer05OC is worth it when you're bound to some timepace like for 25fps23:00
DocScrutinizer05either you make it, or not23:00
cehtehbut nokias kernel changes for swapping introduce some bugs in compcache23:00
DocScrutinizer05for anything else, OC by less than 100% is evidently mostly placebo23:00
cehtehmy rasberrypi works *much* more smoothly with zram23:01
cehtehDocScrutinizer05: for few cpu bound apps it helps ...23:01
cehtehbut as soon you have mmc io or display io things are leveled23:01
DocScrutinizer05it helps to become *maybe* 30% faster, that's however a speedup most users don't even notice23:02
cehtehrendering in monav is noticeable faster23:02
cehtehyes23:02
keriocehteh: why monav and not modrana?23:02
cehtehvector maps23:02
kerio...that *is* neat23:02
cehtehand *awesome* routing capabilities23:03
keriomodrana uses monav's routing :)23:03
cehtehdunno does modrana use the monav routing ... ah yes23:03
cehtehwell i have an old monav on my device and put updates on blacklist23:03
keriowhy?23:03
cehtehbecause my map data is slightly outdated .. but works still better than anything else23:03
cehtehtoo lazy to generate new maps23:04
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keriodo i need to do that?23:04
cehtehif you dont find a place where you can download maps for the actual monav, then yes23:04
keriono, i mean, can't i generate the map tiles on the device itself?23:05
cehtehi used the old 'germany_big' maps from christoph .. but the newer monav changed the on disk formar23:05
cehtehvector format and some special files for routing23:05
cehtehmonav's routing logic is fast because of an awesome engineered format which puts the logic in the preprocessed files23:06
cehtehgenerating this files needs a lot resources and a beefy computer23:06
keriothe mapsets are pregenerated, right?23:06
keriothe ones on http://monav.openstreetmap.de/23:06
cehtehmonav itself just traverses this and can do routing acros the whole country in a blink of a eye23:07
cehtehyes iirc these are not compatible with the actual monav version23:07
kerioaww :(23:07
cehtehi used the germay_big there (unpacked and then packed it again on a squashfs)23:07
cehtehneeded me to backport squashfs tools for the squashfs version on the n900 as well23:08
cehtehand the germany_big map includes insanely much details .. even small trails and footpaths, only that its few years old now23:09
cehtehand bike/hike routing works extremely well23:09
cehteh(in most cases .. haha sometimes OSM data fails)23:09
cehtehah kerio the 'osm installer for the n900' on that page contains the old version i am using .. the maps are compatible with that23:11
kerioso i shouldn't use the one on extras-devel?23:11
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cehtehnope that one is newer23:13
cehtehor use that and generate new maps23:13
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keriocehteh: well, you could redownload the german maps from there23:16
cehtehi prolly generate new maps  and recompress them23:17
cehtehmy new laptop should be beefy enough :P23:17
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keriowhy squashfs, though?23:24
StyXmancehteh: these monav files are tha same ones that marble, the qt/kde app can use?23:26
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StyXmanright now I see in your site the file for Spain from 2011-04-20, but marble has a file for teh same country from 30/12/201223:29
kerioStyXman: where are those files?23:30
cehtehStyXman: the monav from extras-devel is newer and needs another format23:31
kerioStyXman: marble uses the monav routing23:31
keriothe maps are tile based i think23:31
cehtehhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MoNav23:32
keriocehteh: yay vector maps23:33
keriobut no sea :(23:33
cehtehno sea?23:33
cehtehhehe .. since i live in the southwest of germany now i never checked :)23:34
keriono blue area around italy23:34
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cehtehwell other water bodies are seen .. lakes and rivers23:34
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M4rtinKcehteh, kerio: if you need just Monav routing data, I have a dataset with world coverage from october23:42
M4rtinKon: http://data.modrana.org/monav/23:42
kerioM4rtinK: modrana uses tiles :(23:43
M4rtinK(it was generated in less than 5 hours on a server generously provided by my Uni :) )23:43
cehtehM4rtinK: that doesnt work with the monav vector rendering?23:43
M4rtinKcehteh: I skipped vector map data generation23:44
cehtehok23:44
kerioM4rtinK: :(23:44
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M4rtinKas thatsa currently not supported by modRana23:44
cehtehwell i look into generating my own maps23:44
kerioM4rtinK: generated from world.osm?23:44
M4rtinKI wanted to get the map packages ass small as possible23:44
cehtehi like what christoph did .. germany with big bounding box into neighbouring countries23:44
M4rtinKfrom the individual geofabrik extracts23:45
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M4rtinKusing a diffed planet.osm & osmosis to get the extracts is on my TODO list23:46
M4rtinKBTW, the repository generator is here:23:47
M4rtinKhttps://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana-data-repository23:47
kerioM4rtinK: are there premade map packages for modrana?23:47
M4rtinKshouldn't be difficult to modify the monav-preprocessor commandline to also include vector map data23:48
M4rtinKkerio: only the global Monav routing data23:48
kerioi was talking about the tile23:48
kerio*tiles23:48
M4rtinKkerio: nope, none23:48
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keriocehteh: can monav do voices?23:49
keriomarble can, but i'm not sure which kind of maps it uses23:50
M4rtinKIIRC there is some branch that does voice directions23:50
cehtehchristoph  worked on that, actually had it working at home, but i dont know if that made it into the mainline23:50
M4rtinKand of course modRana has voice directions for the routes provided by Monav23:50
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cehtehi can ask him when i met him .. but thats some weeks ahead :)23:50
cehtehi dunno about the current state of monav either .. if anyone developing on it23:51
cehtehthe main author vanished iirc and other contributors are occupied23:51
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M4rtinKBTW, I would like to also support vector map rendering in modRana eventually23:51
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cehtehM4rtinK: that would be cool23:51
M4rtinKprobably based on the Kothic project: https://github.com/kothic/kothic23:51
M4rtinKshould be quite straightforward for the GTK UI23:52
M4rtinKthe resulting maps can look like this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kothic23:53
kerioM4rtinK: how is one supposed to tell modrana to download a nation, or something like that?23:54
M4rtinKkerio: it is not yet supported in the UI23:56
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M4rtinKand also the repository doesn't generate the necessary metadata for this to work yet23:57
M4rtinKyou have to download the data manually for now23:57
M4rtinKBTW, there is a guide how to do it: https://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana_offline_routing_guide23:57
M4rtinKeventually I would like to do it like in marble23:57
M4rtinKcontinent->country->region, select what package you want23:58
M4rtinK+ update notifications23:58
M4rtinK+ differential updates with zsync :)23:59

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