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DocScrutinizer05I notice a worrying lack of comprehensive info anywhere in a single place, about plans and current status of migration02:47
DocScrutinizer05wondering what such place could be? tmo?02:47
DocScrutinizer05~seen woody1461902:49
ShadowJKlol?02:49
infobotwoody14619 <~Woody@Maemo/community/contributor/Woody14619> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23d 1h 11m 37s ago, saying: ':)'.02:49
DocScrutinizer05lol indeed02:49
jonwil~seen pali02:50
infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 13h 29m 50s ago, saying: 'freemangordon, do you know state of portrait keyboard?'.02:50
DocScrutinizer05otoh I'd like to allow Nemein, board, whomever, to add factoids02:50
* ShadowJK ponders moving daily N900 to thumb02:50
DocScrutinizer05to an extent where we'd see updates twice a day02:50
DocScrutinizer05gonna get me a beer, and ponder it...02:51
* jonwil wishes he could get in touch with pali to discuss changes to http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget/02:51
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: /join #maemo-ssu02:51
DocScrutinizer05pali is veery active there02:52
jonwilyes I know, I am IN #maemo-ssu right now :P02:52
jonwilbut he isn't around :(02:52
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jonwilin any case at least I have a widget on my phone that displays what it should display (and what it used to display before pali made lots of changes)02:53
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DocScrutinizer05you maybe should set up a page explaining what it does, in plain language like a design spec, so it could get reviewed02:59
DocScrutinizer05I don't think it's good practice when several coders patch on one project, with no clear masterplan to follow, and each of them doesn't understand what and why been done by the other03:01
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DocScrutinizer05when kerio finds further bugs (it's always kerio to do that ;-D) first we go to that spec and see if the bug is maybe in line with spec and thus the spec needs to get augmented03:02
DocScrutinizer05if however the spec says this mustn't happen the anybody can go to the source and find where it differs from what the spec says it should do03:03
kerio/your face/ needs to be augmented03:03
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DocScrutinizer05s/the any/then any/03:03
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: if however the spec says this mustn't happen then anybody can go to the source and find where it differs from what the spec says it should do03:03
kerioalso hi03:04
DocScrutinizer05iirc pali did a lot of patching to get standard behaviour in line with that of the stock nokia applet that got replaced (maybe a tad too early and too unconditionally)03:06
DocScrutinizer05first rule for CSSU: we don't want to introduce regressions from stock, and to guarantee that we can handle any regressions appearing, we need an active maintainer03:08
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DocScrutinizer05alas I pushed CBSMS-widget into CSSU without checking either of both prerequisites myself03:09
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SiceloDocScrutinizer05: is there some issue with the cbsms widget now?10:39
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kerioSicelo: last i heard there were some issues related to roaming11:51
kerioi had my issue, i reported my issue, i got my issue fixed, worksforme11:51
Sicelowhat was the problem?11:53
keriodidn't update the name when doing national roaming11:53
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GadgetoidMission successful!13:03
kerioi can't believe you willingly separated from a n900 in your possession :c13:12
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jon_ykerio: he has an iphone now :)13:19
kerio>:C13:20
keriothat's even worse!13:20
jon_yor a Lumia13:20
freemangordonkerio: but it is faster ;)13:20
freemangordonand shiny13:20
jon_yyes, especially the white surface, so shiny!13:20
keriowell YOUR FACE is shiny13:21
freemangordonjon_y: yeah, makes me wanna puke13:21
jon_yI was just comparing the dimensions of the new iphone the other day, the n900 is huge :)13:22
freemangordonkerio: mine? no, I am a dark Balkan guy :P13:22
jon_yoth, the iphone feels really flimsy13:22
jon_yas if you could snap it if you left it in your pocket sitting in a wrong position13:23
jon_yheh, apple fans are really something13:26
jon_yone of them told me that users don't need NFC when asked about when apple will do it13:26
FIQ|n900fanboys13:26
FIQ|n900jon_y: then they will see it as the next big thing when apple decides to stick it into their next phone13:27
jon_yvery much so13:27
FIQ|n900just as with multitasking13:28
FIQ|n900or whatever else13:28
jon_ydon't forget quad core13:28
jon_ytypical of any Samsung v Apple arguments :)13:28
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FIQ|n900bleh13:47
FIQ|n900order of "close everything" and "check battery" should be swapped in ham13:47
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kerioFIQ|n900: file a bug!16:50
kerio(re:HAM closes everything before checking the battery)16:50
FIQ|n900where?16:51
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kerioFIQ|n900: the cssu bug tracker, i suppose17:00
keriobut right now it's in read-only mode for the move17:00
FIQ|n900yes exactly17:00
FIQ|n900:p17:00
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FIQ|n900I downloaded a 184KB large file earlier in microB, and the whole system froze on 85% downloaded and n900 was very hot, how did this happen?17:49
FIQ|n900sorry 184MB17:49
FIQ|n900I've gotten similar issues earlier with large downloads17:50
jpinxmine always does that17:50
FIQ|n900(may be worth noting that my dl speed was ~47KB/s17:50
FIQ|n900)17:50
kerioFIQ|n900: the n900 sucks at I/O17:51
FIQ|n900hrm17:51
jpinxI think it might be something to do with the way the system is constantly trying to index the contents of the hdd17:51
FIQ|n900so how do I download it then? :D17:51
FIQ|n900jpinx: tracker is disabled here17:51
FIQ|n900if that's what you mean17:51
kerioFIQ|n900: increase the IO queue size17:51
FIQ|n900kerio: um I can't follow17:52
jpinxfwiw - I use the n900 as a usb modem to an eeepc and it's ok17:52
FIQ|n900what's io queue size??17:52
FIQ|n900-?17:52
jpinxthe n990 stays cool - the eeepc gets hot ! haha!!17:52
kerioFIQ|n900: echo 8192 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests17:52
keriofor instance17:52
keriobut there's a ton to do17:52
kerioFIQ|n900: this is what i have at the end of /etc/init.d/rcS: http://fpaste.org/gTmx/17:53
jpinxkerio: I looked at that a while ago and decided that the risk of fscking the system was not worth it17:53
keriojpinx: whatever17:53
FIQ|n900hmm17:53
kerioworksforme17:53
FIQ|n900is this something swappolube would solve?17:54
FIQ|n900a quick look at your file seems similar to its' configurations17:54
kerioit's partially freemangordon's swappolube configurations17:54
kerioand partially ShadowJK's tweaks17:54
FIQ|n900well as I don't understand what this do (and don't like to randomly run stuff w/o knowing), what does it do basically?17:55
FIQ|n900set some configs, but what's the effect?17:55
FIQ|n900of them17:56
kerionr_requests is how big the IO queue size is17:56
kerioit should be big so the scheduler can reorder requests to get more speed in read/write17:56
kerio(sequential stuff is a lot faster)17:57
ShadowJKDoes dirt expire set to 0 disable expiration, or make it expire immediately?17:57
keriobeats me17:57
ShadowJKI have dirty background ratio 1 on n**0 :)17:58
keriohm17:59
FIQ|n900kerio: I assume it should be pasted in bottom before exit 0?18:00
kerioyep18:00
keriobut i don't want any responsibilities :318:00
ShadowJKTheory being that I'd rather have it start writing in the background very early18:00
kerioask ShadowJK too, he seems to know what he's talking about18:00
FIQ|n900*blames kerio in case stuff fail*18:00
ShadowJKDisab18:01
ShadowJKking TCP timestamps seems just plain crazy18:01
keriowhy?18:01
kerioi copied that part from fmg18:01
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FIQ|n900I assume line 6 should be echo 1?18:04
FIQ|n900@ ShadowJK @ pastebin18:04
FIQ|n900instead of 0 that is18:05
* freemangordon is not using swappolube ;)18:05
ShadowJKNo18:05
FIQ|n900ok18:05
ShadowJKLone 8?18:05
ShadowJKLone18:05
ShadowJKasdfg LINE18:06
freemangordonhmm, why 1 in laptop-mode?18:06
FIQ|n900:p18:06
freemangordonthat's crazy aiui18:06
FIQ|n900uh how did I manage to screw up xchat selection lol18:06
ShadowJKlaptop-mode might be the only thing saving it from the other crazy18:06
kerioShadowJK: what tweaks do you use, if any?18:07
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FIQ|n900ok I'll try this, but I guess there will be no noticeable difference before I start to do IO heavy stuff18:07
ShadowJKThe queue length thing, and slice idle thing18:07
ShadowJKSwappiness 1 right before heavy IO, 100 normally18:08
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kerioShadowJK: what about quantum, fifo_expire_*sync?18:47
ShadowJKnfi18:47
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markmxso19:12
markmxankiqt900 developer here? :)19:12
markmxhow I can edit shortcuts on one of desctops?19:13
Sc0rpiuswhat shortcut?19:14
Sc0rpiuswhat do you want exactly19:14
Sc0rpiusto edit shortcuts behavior just edit the corresponding .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon19:15
markmxst - want to make next donation to ankiqt900 package developer :)19:16
markmxnd - shortcuts on desktops on my phone, wanna edit cmdlines in it... where they placed in system?19:16
markmxow, I found it :)19:27
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* DocScrutinizer05 suspects markmx is an irc newbie19:35
DocScrutinizer05or has a pretty broken kbd19:36
DocScrutinizer05or last nap made me forget what meand "st -" and "nd -"19:36
DocScrutinizer05and "ankiqt900"19:37
DocScrutinizer05means*19:37
markmx1st19:38
markmx2nd19:38
markmxankiqt900 - SRS for learning languages... who's nubie, uuu, am oldfag :)19:38
DocScrutinizer05ooh, it's an actual pkg it seems19:38
FIQ|n900anki is great19:39
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FIQ|n900I've never used n900 version though19:40
DocScrutinizer05markmx: shortcuts are a tad cumbersome, applauncher icons however are just .desktop files as Sc0rpius said19:40
DocScrutinizer05create new *.desktop to your liking, then you can set up a shortcut for it19:41
markmxI found it's simple was :)19:41
markmxbut can't understand how they separetad byt desks19:42
DocScrutinizer05^^^^19:42
DocScrutinizer05there are tools (or howtos) about how to create shortcut on all desks19:43
markmxnononono only config files, only hardcore19:44
DocScrutinizer05o.O19:44
markmxrussian style :)19:44
DocScrutinizer05in my book a howto is an instruction how to do sth "the hardcore way"19:44
DocScrutinizer05and reading tool source is even more russian style19:45
DocScrutinizer05honestly you probably don't want to fuzz with hildon screen shortcuts19:46
Sc0rpiusin soviet Rusia, shortcuts create YOU!!!19:46
DocScrutinizer05my shortcuts not create but surely define me ;-D19:47
markmxso as I сфт ыуу - шт *ювуылещз ашдуы тще мфкшфиду ащк вуылещз тгьююю рь19:47
markmxow shi19:47
markmx:)19:47
markmxsorry19:47
* thedead1440 wishes everybody a happy new year19:49
DocScrutinizer05if you want homescreen icons as shortcuts to cmdline, get queen-beecon or desktop-cmdline-shortcut-applet or whatever the neame19:49
DocScrutinizer05same to you thedead144019:50
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: shock, horror, maemo.org still seems to be up :p19:50
RST38hnot for long, not for long19:50
thedead1440oh maybe its 0000 finnish time19:50
RST38hfew more hours and it will TURN INTO A PUMPKIN!!!19:50
DocScrutinizer05well, another 6h til Finland is moving into 201319:50
* DocScrutinizer05 already prepared his pumpkin gun19:51
thedead1440hehe pumpkin gun?19:51
DocScrutinizer05know potato gun?19:53
thedead1440whats that; your invention? :p19:53
WulfeAnyone here familiar with maemo mapper? Preferably for OS2008(Diablo) but I am sure this question applies to any of its versions.19:54
DocScrutinizer05~wiki potato gun19:55
infobotAt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_gun (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{For|the child's toy which fires small pieces of potato|spud gun (toy)}} A 'potato cannon' (also known as a "spud gun" or "spudzooka") is a pipe-based cannon which uses air pressure (pneumatic), or combustion of a gaseous fuel,{{cite journal |last1= Mungan |first1=Carl E. |year=May 2009 |title=Internal ballistics of a pneumatic potato cannon |journal= European Journal of Physics ...19:56
markmxeh... if I learnt english, then I'd undrstd what you saying here :) happy NY1319:56
thedead1440ah that type of gun; DocScrutinizer05  definitely young at heart :D19:56
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DocScrutinizer05Wulfe: maemo mapper seems a tad outdated and orpkaned, but maybe that's just me. N810 users might still use it19:58
WulfeI am on a N810 ;)19:59
Wulfemy only problem i have with it is the POI's19:59
Wulfethe url that was used to download them is broken as the maintainer took the site offline.19:59
Wulfei found a url in the forums to fix routing.20:00
Wulfebut i am having a terrible time just getting a nice complete POI.db for my city20:00
Wulfeif i could just figure out how to export them off my garmin nuvi it would be tons easier......20:01
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DocScrutinizer05I guess we have <10 active diablo users in here20:27
DocScrutinizer05but odds are one of the 10 eventually drops by and has some helpful info to share20:28
DocScrutinizer05so stay tuned20:28
* ShadowJK uses diablo but not maemo-mapper for anything except answering "how long does it take for N810 gps"20:29
FIQ|n900lol20:37
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FIQ|n900once I moved some stuff from ~ to ~/MyDocs21:06
FIQ|n900then the system froze21:06
FIQ|n900and I got these files instead21:07
FIQ|n900?.{╣g         0?Ç_eQs≡.εt(  Z=,πδ?o?.z?y  rar!??.És     £╔òu&≡?=.?╢ë  ècgb(d0?.í!▓  ╕└╛?î÷ûl.a▌┬21:07
FIQ|n900how did this happen?21:07
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jogawhat was this "some stuff"?21:15
joganote that MyDocs is a separate filesystem from your home directory21:15
joga(FAT, so maybe some file naming issue?)21:16
jogaor, encoding or such21:16
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FIQ|n900joga: yes I know21:19
FIQ|n900which makes mv take a while21:19
FIQ|n900but i don't understand why the system freeze21:20
FIQ|n900basically I got corrupt files21:20
FIQ|n900but how to solve it?21:20
FIQ|n900it was just some wav-s also, so fairy big files21:20
FIQ|n900but not iso-size big21:20
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jogawriting to the card too fast seems to mess up the system, I forget the workarounds but have gotten it to reboot myself a few times in the middle of a transfer. just slow it down and it may work..21:22
ShadowJKecho 1 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness21:23
ShadowJKbefore big file transfers21:23
FIQ|n900"slow it down"21:24
FIQ|n900how exactly do I alter the speed of a mv :s21:24
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FIQ|n900well anyway21:27
FIQ|n900how do I remove this stuff21:28
FIQ|n900i guess fsck should help me21:28
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M4rtinKscreenshots for modRana QML UI improvements: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1309575&postcount=125923:42
M4rtinKoh and Happy New Year everyone ! :)23:42
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jabisnappy who ever to you all23:47
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