IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-11-18

DocScrutinizer05	actually even way more, since in total the process ate better half of my 8GB RAM plus 75% of 8BG swap	00:00
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: use sylpheed	00:06
kerio	the pine/mutt of gtk	00:07
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Drathir	DocScrutinizer05: bad optimized fof small files operation...	00:11
Drathir	anyone use more than one jabber account?	00:13
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kerio	Drathir: there's probably someone	00:14
Drathir	sad that in contact name dont see send by account 1 account 2	00:17
kerio	Drathir: well, very few clients handle that well, even on a proper computer	00:18
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Drathir	even if contact doesnt on second account list...	00:18
kerio	are you sure there's no way to choose, though?	00:18
kerio	damn shame	00:18
Drathir	kerio: now sec ago i see that im not sure must looks closer with this issue...	00:19
Drathir	maybe somewhere is hidden option to enable that behaviour...	00:20
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Drathir	but also if contact is doubled on two different servers is little harder because must be more options to chose on server 1 from this server and server 2 and also on server 2 from this server and server 1	00:23
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Drathir	but maybe this be easier to do with some kind of submenu or doubled contact which server from but this will be interesting...	00:29
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Drathir	kerio: for pc best 4me is psi+ or psi...	00:48
Drathir	clean minimalistic not too shiny but enough for all...	00:49
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vi___	MohammadAG: ping	01:00
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vi___	fiasco-gen?	01:55
vi___	who is to blame for this utter piece of shit?	01:56
vi___	I have tried every combnation of EVERYTHING.	01:57
vi___	update failed.	01:57
vi___	WTF.	01:57
Cor-Ai	:/	01:57
vi___	I cannot even generate a flashable image from the original mmc image.	01:58
vi___	The fuck is this piece of shit.	01:58
RiD	i guess...	01:58
vi___	fucking hell.	01:58
RiD	it is a fiasco	01:58
vi___	fuck.	01:58
* RiD puts on sunglasses		01:58
vi___	If anyone has any secret knowledge on fiasco-gen, please, by all means speak.	01:58
vi___	If anyone knows of ANYONE who as actually sucessfully generated a flashable image, PLEASE. I beg of you in the name of god and all that is holy. Share the secret incantation THAT WILL MAKE THIS FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT WORK.	01:59
vi___	fiasco-gen -g --mmc=../emmc/mmc --mmc-partition="mydocs" --layout=layout -o test.bin	02:00
RiD	lol firefox os is such an android clone	02:00
vi___	generates a fiasco image from the original mmc.	02:03
vi___	when you try to flash it, it gets to 96% then says update failed.	02:03
vi___	EVERY.	02:04
vi___	FUCKING.	02:04
vi___	TIME.	02:04
RiD	you're happy	02:04
RiD	sounds like me when my microusb fell out	02:04
vi___	RiD: I have been trying to make this work for over 10 hours.	02:04
RiD	i have had not used my n900 for almost 2 months	02:04
RiD	anyways, good luck (You'll NEED it). I have to go	02:05
vi___	WTF would nokia release such a piece of utter shit without documentation?	02:05
RiD	to make us feel like dumbasses	02:05
RiD	and taking revenge of all the microusb critics	02:05
* RiD theory		02:05
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vi___	go eat a bag of dicks nokia.	02:11
Drathir	vi___: what is about oryginal flash size compared with create by you? maybe have some kind of strange size check?	02:11
SpeedEvil	vi___: :-(	02:11
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vi___	Drathir: No, I am using the original mmc vfat image to avoid that kind of problem.	02:13
vi___	SpeedEvil: Any tips?	02:13
SpeedEvil	alas, no idea	02:13
SpeedEvil	why are you trying to make an image?	02:14
vi___	SpeedEvil: do you know who I could ask?	02:14
SpeedEvil	nope.	02:14
vi___	SpeedEvil: Becasue I am fed up of having to set up all my shit everytime I reflash.	02:14
SpeedEvil	ah	02:15
vi___	SpeedEvil: I have made a rootfs image with kernel. It works great.	02:15
SpeedEvil	I'd cheat	02:15
SpeedEvil	sync	02:15
SpeedEvil	rsync	02:15
Hurrian	hoooooly shit, someone's trying to pack a custom image.	02:25
Hurrian	vi__, if I were you, I'd prepare a SD card with the partition layout and tars of root and /home	02:26
vi___	SpeedEvil: Do you think the flasher3.5 needs an initrd rolled into the flashable bin?	02:26
vi___	Hurrian: why?	02:26
SpeedEvil	vi___: I have never investigated it	02:26
Hurrian	vi__, so that I don't waste time trying different USB ports?	02:27
vi___	Hurrian: I cannot find evidence of anyone being sucessful at creating an emmc image. ever.	02:28
Hurrian	vi__, it bombs out at 96% every time?	02:28
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Hurrian	(at flashing, that is)	02:28
vi___	Hurrian: yes.	02:28
Hurrian	Maybe flasher-3.5 is just being shitty	02:28
vi___	Hurrian: It works with the nokia supplied pr1.3 emmc image.	02:29
Hurrian	The .bins are just archives, and fiasco-gen simply packs them with the info. Try the newest 0xFFFF that Pali modded.	02:29
Hurrian	Whenever I want to flatten and restore my N900s, I simply load up RescueOS, wipe rootfs, import the partition table into sfdisk, format them, and untar my tarballs.	02:31
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vi___	I am starting to think I need to include some initrd or something.	02:34
vi___	and now the wiki is down	02:35
Drathir	vi___: or maybe check md5sum after flashed and give a error?	02:38
Drathir	hidden list of used files which flasher check and compare...	02:39
Drathir	is strange that every time do this error in the same place...	02:40
Drathir	like oryginal content check is good and 96 starts modified content...	02:42
Hurrian	Drathir, pretty sure it should be checking hashes /beforehand/	02:42
Hurrian	in which case the .bin file would fail immediately, as the md5sum or whatever it uses is completely different ;)	02:43
Hurrian	Also, vi__, flasher-3.5 for the N900 doesn't require a "ape-algo", which IIRC is an initrd + kernel to flash filesystems	02:44
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Drathir	Hurrian: maybe true but if check before maybe only compare with list and after flash compare with all content some kind of error security?	02:46
Hurrian	but fiasco-gen should've taken care of that when making the image	02:47
Hurrian	and iirc in N900 that's only done for CMT image	02:47
Drathir	all is very strange and interesting.... why do that...	02:49
Drathir	but is strange why flasher cant dump data if can write to the phone...	02:50
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Drathir	that way anyone can install all what want and work and do snapshot of phone...	02:51
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Drathir	nokia srvices proppably could do that, strange if not...	02:52
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DocScrutinizer05	vi___: you thought of cmp fiasco-original.bin your-fiasco.bin ?	03:01
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DocScrutinizer05	vi___: I gather you tried to use the unpacked chunks from fiasco-original.bin to build fiasco-new.bin from them. So both shouldn't differ, eh?	03:04
vi___	DocScrutinizer05: Yes	03:04
vi___	however looking with a hex editor there seems to be some name in the header.	03:04
vi___	RX-51 blah blah blah	03:04
DocScrutinizer05	hmm	03:05
DocScrutinizer05	btw your parameter looks bewildering to me: --mmc-partition="mydocs"	03:05
DocScrutinizer05	I'd have thought it's sth like 1, 2, 3	03:06
DocScrutinizer05	ooh wait	03:06
vi___	DocScrutinizer05: if you try a number it craps out as soon as it starts.	03:06
vi___	if you use a name of a partition specified in layout file it does not.	03:06
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, sounds about right	03:07
DocScrutinizer05	~jrtools	03:07
infobot	[jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	03:07
DocScrutinizer05	(^^^ for me)	03:07
DocScrutinizer05	prefix = "mydocs";	03:08
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	03:08
DocScrutinizer05	I might be dreaming or whatever, but maybe I heard once about some odd lil glitch in layout that needs fix for fiasco-gen to work. I.E. unpacked layout from fiasco-original.bin might not match what fiasco-gen wants for --layout=ARG	03:10
vi___	DocScrutinizer05: The only difference I can see is a 'name' string at the start of the file.	03:10
vi___	DocScrutinizer05: you could be onto something...	03:11
DocScrutinizer05	I'd do 2 things: 1.:find out about diffs via cmp or diff, 2.: find out why those diffs are there, start with "what does this name-string mean? where from does it come? (grep all involved files might help)"	03:15
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DocScrutinizer05	(grep) if it doesn't already correlate to a filename of one of the chunks or the target	03:16
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vi___	FUCKIT	03:20
vi___	I am going to bed	03:20
vi___	I hate fucking computers	03:20
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LaoLang_cool	I got date -s work finally! date -s "1118 0924 2012"	03:24
SpeedEvil	:-)	03:25
jon_y	best to set the format too	03:30
jon_y	locale settings may break your date input	03:31
jon_y	ah wait nvm	03:31
* Drathir like ntpd		03:34
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Drathir	sad there isnt ntptime...	03:34
nox-	best set the time from gps...	03:36
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nox-	i think its gps recorder that does that	03:37
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Drathir	nox-: good idea gs also can set time without network connection...	03:39
Drathir	gps*	03:39
nox-	yeah tho then it takes longer to get a fix	03:39
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Drathir	yes more power but if someone dont have gprs con and phone get off batterry can if dont know time auto set...	03:40
Drathir	sad but not all gsm operator have time stup by network...	03:41
nox-	yeah	03:42
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DocScrutinizer05	LaoLang_cool: date -d "2012-11-18 22:11"	03:49
DocScrutinizer05	s/-d/-s/	03:49
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: LaoLang_cool: date -s "2012-11-18 22:11"	03:49
Drathir	lets try .flac work or not...	03:49
DocScrutinizer05	for -s'etting instead -d'displaying	03:50
DocScrutinizer05	LaoLang_cool: generally the proper real date takes as weird shit as "next Friday teatime"	03:51
DocScrutinizer05	though:	03:51
DocScrutinizer05	~messybox	03:51
infobot	messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils	03:51
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LaoLang_cool	DocScrutinizer05, it doesn't work, maybe I'm using stock busybox?	03:57
LaoLang_cool	I've tried it yesterday	03:57
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DocScrutinizer05	yes, busybox is braindamaged	04:02
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robbiethe1st	And yet, it's still better than what Windows Phone(TM) provides	04:06
jon_y	does windows phone have a console/terminal?	04:07
jon_y	no terminal/ssh == deal breaker :)	04:07
robbiethe1st	Exactly	04:07
jon_y	too bad most people don't need ssh	04:08
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robbiethe1st	I can't live without it	04:08
jon_y	or is too hard to wrap their puny minds around it	04:08
robbiethe1st	I think so	04:08
jon_y	somebody should write a lovecraftian explanation of ssh :)	04:08
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robbiethe1st	I mean, it's just /so/ useful to be able to search an entire directory tree for a string. Or use a loop to download X files from a site	04:09
jon_y	lovecraftian explanation would be awesome, I will send $100 internet dollars, about $0 US dollars	04:09
jon_y	:)	04:09
jon_y	not to mention file upload/download capabilities	04:10
jon_y	all pack into 1 awesome tool	04:10
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robbiethe1st	Not to mention being able to, say, download a .doc file, convert it to .rtf, and open it in FBReader	04:11
robbiethe1st	And use a single, simple command to convert it. with a free program	04:12
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Gear	does anyone still use the n900 as their main phone?	04:17
SpeedEvil	yes.	04:17
SpeedEvil	but I make very, very few calls	04:17
wmarone	same :)	04:18
SpeedEvil	it's actually now my landline phone too	04:18
SpeedEvil	sip	04:18
Gear	I have two and the speaker on my dying one is REALLY bad	04:18
SpeedEvil	:-\	04:18
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Gear	I tried double sided taping it securely but it's quiet and crap	04:19
Gear	the other has pwnie express on it and that pretty much sucks	04:19
Gear	I haven't looked for decent apps for months, is there a list of "must have apps" that's recent?	04:20
SpeedEvil	haven't been looking	04:21
Drathir	jon_y: how can live without terminal this is like another hand...	04:21
jon_y	SpeedEvil: my DSL ISP give free landline calls	04:22
Drathir	.flac not recognized by n900 inside HAM also no packages... lets see apt...	04:22
SpeedEvil	inbound free sip here	04:23
jon_y	though there is that phone rent	04:23
SpeedEvil	paid if I want to make external	04:23
SpeedEvil	there are weird cell providers out there.	04:23
Drathir	Gear: i use too	04:23
SpeedEvil	aaisp.co.UK	04:23
SpeedEvil	they let you have'a'mobile with no number	04:24
SpeedEvil	it is hooked up to your SIP server	04:24
Drathir	Gear: "dying one" ^^	04:24
SpeedEvil	similarly, you can have it hooked with data to your intranet	04:25
Gear	yeah it's been dropped and beaten and scratched, I give it about another 6? months before it becomes a cracking phone only	04:25
Gear	the parts are too expensive now and the hong kong ripoff parts mostly don't work	04:26
Drathir	not biggest part of the sip have internal traffic fee ?	04:27
* ShadowJK uses N900 as main phone		04:27
ShadowJK	yesterday I was also using the spare N900 as main internets	04:27
SpeedEvil	Drathir: sip out to landlines	04:27
Gear	hah so this is where the diehard n900 fans are	04:27
ShadowJK	my main N900 is actually my third one, first two died cellmodem death	04:28
Drathir	Gear: allegro.pl sometimes can find broken phones to buy in other countries not have?	04:29
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Gear_	yay wifi	04:29
Gear_	do you think there will ever be another open source phone like this	04:30
Gear_	or is this the "last of the v8 interceptors"	04:30
Drathir	ShadowJK: but you put ther for someone one to tablet use?	04:31
Drathir	or wifi also dead?	04:31
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ShadowJK	it sits unused	04:33
Drathir	i waiting for more info about new open source phones annouunced some time ago...	04:33
* ShadowJK suspects "last of the v8 interceptors" :-(		04:33
Gear_	raspberry pi and arduino are exploding though... arduino is radioshack stuff now	04:34
Drathir	altervative to android one...	04:34
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Gear_	that's gonna recruit a whole host of REALLY young open source people	04:34
Drathir	with few bigger company connected to work on it...	04:35
Drathir	but name of it forget must look for it...	04:35
Drathir	Gear_: friends in few days have had new shiny Pi Pi i waiting to test that stuff...	04:36
Drathir	sad that n900 dont have mods to 256 or 512 mb ram thats be awesome...	04:37
Gear_	don't they have 256mb of ram already	04:37
ShadowJK	yes	04:37
Gear_	512 would be good	04:37
Drathir	a lot of speed and second live	04:38
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Drathir	Gear_: free for user i mean... sorry...	04:38
ShadowJK	measuring the amount of free is near impossible too	04:38
Drathir	512 total will be enough for second born...	04:39
ShadowJK	In an updated version I'd like to see 2G ram	04:40
Drathir	ShadowJK: dreams but good dreams...	04:40
Drathir	propably dont put because will be to powerfull...	04:41
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Drathir	netboks also have cutted ram... so sad...	04:42
Drathir	anyone try running other systems on n900? not default but second system...	04:46
Sc0rpius	you mean like running Android or Mer or whatever?	04:46
Sc0rpius	I used to do that but I always go back to Maemo since everything else really sucks in the N900	04:47
Drathir	Sc0rpius: yes i think abour archlinux arm	04:47
Sc0rpius	well since the N900 is my main and only phone, I need it as a phone	04:47
Sc0rpius	so ArchLinux is not an option	04:48
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Drathir	Sc0rpius: is very risky try to run second system?	04:48
DocScrutinizer05	Drathir: flac support in some gstreamer-codec-support-dirty\|extras\|clean\|$foo	04:48
Sc0rpius	no, totally safe	04:48
Sc0rpius	usually you want to install the second OS in a microSD card	04:48
Sc0rpius	so your main filesystem is untouched	04:49
Drathir	DocScrutinizer05: thanks i will take it from apt	04:49
Sc0rpius	you can even have several microSD cards with different OS on each	04:49
Drathir	Sc0rpius: yes you right if its main...	04:50
Drathir	but interesting why decide to take debian for base of the stystem, because will be first ?	04:51
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Drathir	Sc0rpius: when i better know default system i try to have fun with discover new options, but that take me some time...	04:53
Sc0rpius	are you a new user of the N900?	04:56
Sc0rpius	that would be weird.	04:56
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Drathir	someone have compiled pastebincl ?	05:14
Drathir	Sc0rpius: yes few days...	05:15
Drathir	Sc0rpius: why wired?	05:15
Sc0rpius	because the N900 is an obsolete phone and has been obsolete since ages	05:15
Drathir	im now im noob with many "o"	05:15
Sc0rpius	why would anyone buy a N900 today?	05:16
* robbiethe1st would		05:16
Drathir	Sc0rpius: better than djaviks ones...	05:16
Drathir	android looks to poor for me than clean linux...	05:17
Sc0rpius	it is poor	05:18
Sc0rpius	the multitasking problem is a big problem for me in new phones	05:18
Sc0rpius	for example	05:18
Sc0rpius	I really dig those Nokia Lumias	05:18
Sc0rpius	and Windows Phone COULD be a nice OS, but it isn't	05:18
Sc0rpius	it doesn't even support background sockets	05:18
Sc0rpius	that means, you connect SSH to somewhere, switch application, bye bye your SSH session	05:18
Sc0rpius	and that's TERRIBLE	05:19
Drathir	lol better i dont say anything about new nokia phones... hrhr	05:19
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Drathir	all time like nokia phones will be top that now think all new going to be the worst of one...	05:24
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DocScrutinizer05	Drathir: ogg-support - Ogg/Vorbis/Flac support for n900	05:37
DocScrutinizer05	decoders-support - Support for additional video and audio decoders in the Media Player	05:38
DocScrutinizer05	dunno which if both	05:38
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DocScrutinizer05	of*	05:56
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Drathir	DocScrutinizer05: now looking how with apt check detailed info about packages what dependencies contain...	06:07
Drathir	DocScrutinizer05: ok second include first pkg	06:13
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Drathir	DocScrutinizer05: works perfect... thanks	06:21
Drathir	btw noce dropbox app is...	06:21
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Drathir	now time to ipv6 configure...	06:26
Macer	sigh	06:30
Macer	mer/active is still fail for mainstream stuff	06:30
Macer	:)	06:30
Macer	i doubt i will ever see a productive tablet with active on it	06:30
Macer	stuck with win8, ios, or ad-droid forever it seems	06:30
Macer	i want maemo back :(	06:30
robbiethe1st	I'm hoping for enough support in Plasma Active that we could at least get a good, flagship tablet with good support for it	06:31
jon_y	sounds like the tragedy of the commons	06:32
robbiethe1st	I mean, so far I'm not seeing anything as good as the N900 by todays standards	06:32
jon_y	most people like to be rape by ads	06:32
jon_y	sounds elitist but is true	06:32
robbiethe1st	It's rare to find a phone device with greater than 800x480 res, and even rarer to find one with a HW keyboard	06:32
benny_	im right with you	06:33
benny_	i miss my n900	06:33
Macer	i still use my n900 tethered heh	06:33
Macer	but it's awful... i would have expected at least some unofficial hackery to have gotten mer/active going on a tf101	06:33
Macer	i saw a video a long time ago .. i would have thought it would be mainstream by now	06:33
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Macer	guess not	06:50
Macer	heh	06:50
Macer	ah well	06:50
Macer	ad-droid it is :-/	06:50
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DocScrutinizer51	loud MEH on plasma	07:04
robbiethe1st	I like it because it's KDE, relatively stock	07:05
robbiethe1st	which means I could likely set it up to run real KDE on it	07:05
DocScrutinizer51	plasma is about the first thing I can think of why I'd like to nuke KDE4	07:06
robbiethe1st	and/or switch between interfaces	07:06
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Drathir	jon_y: btw adds utorrent also have adds but in options can off	08:01
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jon_y	Drathir: utorrent started getting annoying around 3.x	08:50
jon_y	qbittorent is the closest Free clone	08:50
jon_y	it's actually not too bad	08:51
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kerio	jon_y: you mean transmission >:(	09:12
kerio	actually maybe not, idk if there's a windows port	09:12
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internetishard	Anyone in the community offering pre-customized images of maemo? Could be a good way to get back to a certain clean configuration.	09:23
jon_y	kerio: it does	09:25
jon_y	UI is very different from utorrent though	09:25
jon_y	hence qbitorrent is a clone in this regard	09:26
internetishard	qbittorrent kicks ass	09:26
jon_y	no Windows binaries for transmission	09:27
jon_y	wiki says is buildable though	09:27
jon_y	I wouldn't poke it just yet since qbitorrent is running perfectly fine on my windows box	09:28
kerio	internetishard: vi__ has been fighting with fiasco-gen since yesterday trying to do exactly that	09:42
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LaoLang_cool	N900's memory is so small, 256MB...	09:56
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kerio	how do i check if i can write to a file in a shell script?	10:18
tadzik	check if it's writable?	10:19
tadzik	the only things that come to my mind are ugly hacks with perl -MFile::stat or awking ls -l	10:20
kerio	tadzik: plenty of ways to make a 0777 file that can't be written to	10:20
tadzik	such as?	10:20
kerio	IO errors	10:21
kerio	ACL	10:21
jon_y	kerio: see test(1)	10:21
jon_y	or [(1)	10:21
kerio	jon_y: i kinda want to just open it in write mode	10:22
kerio	i can't do that with a shell script though	10:22
jon_y	in a shell script, you just use the test command	10:22
jon_y	if test -w $file_writable then... fi	10:23
jon_y	no need to open/close	10:23
jon_y	if [ -w $file ]; then... is also fine	10:24
freemangordon	could someone check how much heap hildon-ststus-menu uses?	10:24
kerio	meh	10:25
Drathir	kerio: ls -all	10:25
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Drathir	jon_y: ye qbittorrent is nice but i use deluge best speed and console/web acces...	10:29
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kerio	Drathir: why not transmission?	11:16
kerio	i still found it lighter than deluge	11:16
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psychologe	has somebody used CLI send sms seccuss, i see this thread ,but use this python script can't send sms.	12:03
psychologe	talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36148&page=1	12:03
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internetishard	kerio: vi__: good to know	13:12
internetishard	never heard of fiasco-gen though	13:13
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Wizzup__	kerio: I've confirmed it is not a maemo issue. Gentoo + blueman/bluez has the same issues. Initial PIN works fine. Reconnecting is a pure pain.	13:54
Wizzup__	I think..	13:54
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Wizzup__	Actually, it works quite well...	14:01
Wizzup__	Interesting...	14:01
Wizzup__	(quite well on my laptop)	14:01
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kerio	Wizzup__: hm	14:09
kerio	well, freemangordon is online, so you can ask him	14:09
kerio	(he's the extkbd dude)	14:09
Wizzup__	Hopefully he'll see this, since you just hl'd him :)	14:13
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freemangordon	could someone without CSSU check and report what is memory usage of /usr/bin/osso-abook-home-applet	16:57
freemangordon	s/is/is the/	16:57
infobot	freemangordon meant: could someone without CSSU check and report what is the memory usage of /usr/bin/osso-abook-home-applet	16:57
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SpeedEvil	560 532"635 3796	17:04
SpeedEvil	that's	17:04
SpeedEvil	swap, unique pages, proportional size, RSS	17:05
SpeedEvil	k, not pages	17:05
SpeedEvil	'smem'	17:05
freemangordon	SpeedEvil: may I have the output of	17:06
freemangordon	grep -A 9 heap /proc/`pidof osso-abook-home-applet`/smaps	17:06
Drathir	SpeedEvil: how you check that?	17:06
Drathir	oh... i see...	17:06
SpeedEvil	smem - it's a python thing that works fine on n900	17:07
SpeedEvil	RSS is a lie	17:07
SpeedEvil	moment	17:07
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SpeedEvil	oh neat	17:09
SpeedEvil	much the same output	17:09
SpeedEvil	or not	17:09
DocScrutinizer05	grep -A 9 heap /proc/`pidof osso-abook-home-applet`/smaps\|tr -d '\n'	17:10
SpeedEvil	size 660, RSS 380, PSS 362, 0/20/4/356/96/240	17:12
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freemangordon	SpeedEvil: is your address book empty?	17:13
SpeedEvil	yes	17:13
SpeedEvil	mostly	17:13
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SpeedEvil	5ish items	17:13
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DocScrutinizer05	grep -A 9 heap /proc/`pidof osso-abook-home-applet`/smaps\|tr '\n' '!'	17:13
freemangordon	SpeedEvil: yeah, looks like	17:13
DocScrutinizer05	^^^ even better	17:13
freemangordon	it deffinitely looks like address book copy is kept in memory for every process using libosso-abook :(	17:15
Drathir	with csu 624 is big vaule?	17:16
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Wizzup__	kerio: heh.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32908157	17:20
Wizzup__	Let's just blame the Keyboard then	17:20
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kerio	Wizzup__: :(	17:21
kerio	silly people supporting only one brand of device	17:21
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kerio	i wonder if there's a bluetooth confederation that you can contact	17:21
kerio	because their keyboard is definetely not a HID BT keyboard	17:22
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Wizzup__	well, again, it only works the first time. May be interesting to know how ipad ``reconnects''	17:22
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kerio	Wizzup__: probably by not having a good standard in security, and accepting an unauthed, unencrypted keyboard	17:23
kerio	or something	17:23
Wizzup__	kerio: last night I tried modifying some hid config file on n900 to set auth and enc to none, but that also did not help	17:25
Wizzup__	I may debug more on my laptop later, but rsi is killing me, so not now	17:25
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kerio	Wizzup__: if you've got rsi, why do you want to use a BT keyboard? :P	17:49
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vi__	kerio: what is wrong with his bt kbd?	17:52
kerio	vi__: it doesn't work when you connect for the second time to it	17:53
vi__	hid?	17:53
kerio	yep	17:54
kerio	but the manufacturer said it's only for iShit devices	17:54
Wizzup__	(which I knew when I bought it, but still)	17:54
kerio	guy a GK308	17:58
kerio	*buy	17:59
kerio	or a Matias	17:59
vi__	[51644.412200] Forced hostmode error: a high-speed device attached but not high-speed mode selected	18:01
vi__	goddamned hen bullshit.	18:01
kerio	the iGo stowaway is really tiny, but the layout is a bit weird and there are no dedicated number keys	18:01
kerio	vi__: what is this?	18:01
kerio	also just do things manually	18:01
vi__	kerio: how?	18:01
vi__	I am doing it manually.	18:02
Drathir	vi__: some wireless keyboard have to nees oryginal reciver to work..	18:02
kerio	Drathir: bluetooth	18:02
Drathir	kerio: yes	18:02
kerio	bluetooth is bluetooth	18:02
Drathir	have own adapter with special encryption that only works with one reciver adapter conneced to pc...	18:03
kerio	that would not be bluetooth	18:04
Drathir	with another bt adapter keyboard ward is not see...	18:04
kerio	vi__: echoing the correct things to the sysfs nodes?	18:04
Drathir	logitech if good remember have one that...	18:05
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vi__	I just wanted to mount a HDD is all. It never works right.	18:05
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kerio	vi__: HDDs are a bitch	18:06
kerio	connect a powered hub before	18:06
kerio	...and Pali's battery measurer tells me that my battery is 101% charged	18:07
kerio	for fuck's sake, what's his stupid obsession with rx51-battery	18:07
kerio	i don't get it	18:07
vi__	kerio: the hdd is self powered.	18:08
kerio	vi__: \_o_/	18:08
kerio	just keep trying a bit	18:08
kerio	enumeration is still a bitch	18:08
vi__	enumeration doesnt work.	18:08
vi__	ffs.	18:08
kerio	ask DocScrutinizer05 for help	18:09
kerio	if you want to be told "rmmod those weird modules and use h-e-n"	18:09
Wizzup__	kerio: I'll look into that one	18:10
kerio	Wizzup__: anyway, i thought you said something about toying with hcitool to make the keyboard work?	18:11
vi__	I am using hen	18:12
vi__	finally it enumerated.	18:12
DocScrutinizer05	vi__: I'm confused who might have introduced that oddly worded "error"	18:13
DocScrutinizer05	a) it's not an error b) it's grammatically incorrect	18:13
kerio	and yeah, that's definetely pali	18:14
DocScrutinizer05	tbh 'sounds' like pali	18:14
kerio	are you sure you're using h-e-n and not usbmode(.sh)?	18:14
vi__	wtf are you taliking about?	18:14
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: I suspect pali messing with hostmode patches to KP	18:14
Wizzup__	kerio: yes, I did something, but I cannot repeat/reproduce it	18:14
vi__	I am using kernel-cssu3, thumb and HEN.	18:14
Wizzup__	I still want to try a laser-ir keyboard...hehe	18:15
DocScrutinizer05	vi__: this 'error' msg is most likely a kernel message from musb_hdrc	18:15
kerio	Wizzup__: no, you don't >:c	18:15
Wizzup__	Are they terrible	18:15
Wizzup__	?	18:15
Wizzup__	I really like the idea	18:16
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DocScrutinizer05	actually I seem to recall sth like "added error messages to hostmode" in KP changelog	18:17
vi__	how the shitters does my disc have a fat32 partition on it?	18:17
DocScrutinizer05	which already puzzled me back when, since I'm sure we had sufficient diagnostic output in original hostmode kernel	18:17
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Wizzup__	Isn't MyDocs fat, vi__ ?	18:17
kerio	Wizzup__: i think he's talking about his usb hdd	18:18
DocScrutinizer05	vi__: maybe you mounted a superfloppy (no partition table)?	18:20
DocScrutinizer05	vi__: check mount	18:20
vi__	Wizzup__: I am partitioning gthe HDD on my router.	18:20
kerio	vi__: a new HDD?	18:21
vi__	kerio: yeah	18:21
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kerio	there was probably a partition already there	18:21
kerio	kill it with fire	18:22
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vi__	fat32 what a joke.	18:29
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vi__	why we are stuck with such legacy BS?	18:29
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kerio	vi__: because people keep using windows xp	18:33
kerio	and neither os x nor windows support ext* or btrfs	18:33
Wizzup__	is btrfs even declared stable yet	18:34
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kerio	Wizzup__: nope	18:35
kerio	but then again, i don't particularly trust fat32 either	18:36
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vi__	I expect everything from my mp3 player to my server to support reiser5	18:36
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kerio	you know who's not going to support reiser5?	18:38
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kerio	nina reiser	18:39
kerio	yes, i went there	18:39
Wizzup__	sigh	18:39
Wizzup__	Can be make mcafee jokes too now t hen	18:39
* vi__ shakes his head.		18:39
Wizzup__	( http://gizmodo.com/5959812/john-mcafee-wanted-for-murder )	18:39
kerio	Wizzup__: bonus points for linking to a neat story, malus points for linking to gizmodo	18:41
Wizzup__	☺	18:43
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DocScrutinizer05	Wizzup__: oooold	19:04
Wizzup__	I know ... reiser is even older :)	19:05
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bennypr0fane	hello does anyone know where to find kerne power	19:35
FIQ\|n900	in the repositories I bet	19:38
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FIQ\|n900	kernel-power - Flashable Linux kernel (kernel power 2.6.28.10)	19:38
bennypr0fane	sorry my IRC got hung up	19:39
bennypr0fane	I meant kp version 52	19:39
FIQ\|n900	well if that one doesn't provide kp52, I dunno what does	19:39
FIQ\|n900	I don't use kp currently	19:39
bennypr0fane	it's in devel, right?	19:39
FIQ\|n900	probably	19:39
bennypr0fane	Is 52 even the latest? and does it work with thumb/does it come thumb compiled?	19:40
bennypr0fane	oof, forgot to switch on devel before updating ham	19:41
FIQ\|n900	~ham	19:41
infobot	methinks ham is Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Slow like molasses. anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does	19:41
bennypr0fane	yes, that. I just installed CSSU-thumb	19:42
bennypr0fane	new Firefoy just crashes on me	19:42
bennypr0fane	*Firefox	19:42
FIQ\|n900	cssu-thumb?	19:42
bennypr0fane	yes	19:42
FIQ\|n900	what's that?	19:42
FIQ\|n900	never heard of	19:42
kerio	bennypr0fane: KP52 is still a prerelease	19:43
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kerio	FIQ\|n900: it's a secret	19:43
FIQ\|n900	a secret that google knows about	19:43
bennypr0fane	kerio pre-release, as in unstable?	19:44
kerio	bennypr0fane: prerelease as in "still subject to change and not released officially"	19:44
bennypr0fane	FIQ\|n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829&highlight=thumb2	19:45
bennypr0fane	Anyone in here using CSSU-thumb?	19:45
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bennypr0fane	I upgraded Fennec to v17 after installing thumb, but starts adn crashes right away...	19:48
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kerio	bennypr0fane: worksforme	19:52
bennypr0fane	maybe I did something wrong...	19:55
kerio	run it from xterm and see if there are error messages	19:56
bennypr0fane	the command is fennec or firefox?	19:56
DocScrutinizer05	whatever expands to a valid command on pressing <tab>	19:57
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DocScrutinizer05	(though I could figure they missed to have a proper symlink in /usr/bin and rather start the binary on /opt via FQN in .desktop - dunno)	19:58
DocScrutinizer05	(just like alarmed...)	19:59
bennypr0fane	uhm, which is the tab key?	20:01
DocScrutinizer05	in osso-xterm you got one in the hotkey bar usually	20:02
bennypr0fane	ah, ok	20:02
DocScrutinizer05	called "Tab"	20:02
FIQ\|n900	ctrl-i should work too usually	20:02
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	20:02
bennypr0fane	I wonder if I shoulda removed the previous version of fennec first	20:03
FIQ\|n900	is fennec still insanely slow nowdays?	20:03
FIQ\|n900	it was last time when I used it...	20:03
FIQ\|n900	(which was 2011)	20:04
bennypr0fane	how are newer thumb-versions of apps handled? I mean should it be replaced the same as if it were non-thumb?	20:04
DocScrutinizer05	last i heard been "firefox way faster than fenec"	20:04
FIQ\|n900	uh	20:05
kerio	what?	20:05
bennypr0fane	fennec gives Segmentation fault. what does it mean?	20:05
FIQ\|n900	firefox as in firefox-desktop...?	20:05
kerio	:s	20:05
DocScrutinizer05	also a year ago or somesuch	20:05
kerio	fennec from cssu-thumb is actually usable	20:05
bennypr0fane	well I'm pretty sure progress has been made since then	20:05
FIQ\|n900	me too	20:06
FIQ\|n900	but is it usable?	20:06
FIQ\|n900	I don't like microB but there's hardly better choices... or at least there was	20:06
bennypr0fane	until I xwithced to thumb just now, I used Fennec 7, which seemed not slower than MicroB	20:06
bennypr0fane	so yes, usable to me	20:06
FIQ\|n900	ok interesting	20:06
bennypr0fane	and latest Thumb so	20:07
bennypr0fane	*** damn typos	20:07
bennypr0fane	should be a bit more so	20:07
FIQ\|n900	i'll not use thumb before it's deemed stable	20:07
bennypr0fane	Thumb is deemed stable	20:07
FIQ\|n900	(currently on cssu S4.1	20:07
FIQ\|n900	)	20:07
bennypr0fane	I think otherwise they wouldn't pout that in the thread title	20:08
bennypr0fane	please guys what is a segmantation fault and what do I do about it?	20:08
FIQ\|n900	"stable thumb2"	20:08
kerio	bennypr0fane: "something blew up"	20:08
FIQ\|n900	i.e. stable thumb2 binaries	20:08
FIQ\|n900	that doesn't mean that the release itself is stable over not using thumb2 at all	20:09
kerio	to be fair, it should be the same as cssu-testing	20:10
kerio	i mean, it's the same source code	20:10
FIQ\|n900	also it seems to require cssu testing, another thing that from what I can see is against it beins stable	20:10
kerio	just recompiled	20:10
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FIQ\|n900	*being	20:10
DocScrutinizer05	FIQ\|n900: it seems there's not much known about problems with thumb system	20:10
FIQ\|n900	kerio: I use cssu-stable	20:10
bennypr0fane	What does that mean "stable over x" the way I see it, there is a defintion of stable, and it either fits that defintion or not	20:10
DocScrutinizer05	err not many known problems with thumb	20:10
FIQ\|n900	So even if it's indeed stable, it still requires me to upgrade to cssu unstable :)	20:11
kerio	bennypr0fane: fennec confimed workingforme	20:11
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DocScrutinizer05	FIQ\|n900: main issue with cssu-thumb right now is probably maintenance. It's even more 'bleeding edge' and way less tested than cssu-t	20:11
FIQ\|n900	yeah	20:11
bennypr0fane	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829&highlight=thumb2 I asked these question in tmo before making the switch	20:12
bennypr0fane	maybe the answers help you	20:12
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bennypr0fane	I guess if there haven't been any problems reported so far, you should be fine	20:13
bennypr0fane	I will report in that thread if anyhting comes up	20:13
FIQ\|n900	bennypr0fane: bleeding edge is no problem for me manually	20:14
FIQ\|n900	if I could reflash properly I would happily try it	20:15
bennypr0fane	...you cna't?	20:16
kerio	dat usb	20:16
FIQ\|n900	s/manually/normally/	20:16
kerio	or, rather, dat lack of usb	20:16
FIQ\|n900	:p	20:16
bennypr0fane	your usb is broken?	20:16
FIQ\|n900	yes, currently	20:16
bennypr0fane	man, that sucks	20:16
FIQ\|n900	i've not found anyone willing to fix it for me :)	20:17
kerio	try nokia care	20:17
kerio	apparently that's now a thing	20:17
FIQ\|n900	I believe my friend with a similar problem did	20:17
bennypr0fane	huh?	20:17
bennypr0fane	well if your device is less than 2 years old...	20:18
FIQ\|n900	They destroyed the device after calling it unfixable	20:18
kerio	bennypr0fane: they usually swap	20:18
kerio	with a N8	20:18
FIQ\|n900	bennypr0fane: it's 3yrs old soon	20:18
kerio	or something stupid like that	20:18
bennypr0fane	N8	20:18
bennypr0fane	can't be serious...	20:18
FIQ\|n900	well technically a little over 2	20:18
FIQ\|n900	but I've already had a replacement	20:18
FIQ\|n900	(which, believe it or not, had the same problem)	20:19
bennypr0fane	I believe	20:19
bennypr0fane	I seem to have lucked out with my device	20:19
bennypr0fane	never any hardware problems	20:20
kerio	what the fucking fuck	20:20
kerio	my N900 just shut down	20:20
kerio	i was doing I/O	20:20
Wizzup__	http://youtu.be/26UA578yQ5g	20:20
kerio	god fucking dammit not this again	20:20
kerio	i'm just going to assume it's dsme being the usual dick	20:22
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kerio	32wd_to <- yep	20:27
kerio	fucking dsme	20:27
kerio	ShadowJK: dding a file from a mounted eMMC partition to the uSD caused this	20:27
kerio	also wtf, why does cpumem-applet report 100% used cpu while top doesn't?	20:28
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bennypr0fane	ha, Fennec is working: "Remove /home/user/.mozilla/fennec directory and try again to run fennec. And make sure you don't run it as root"	20:41
bennypr0fane	yay!	20:41
bennypr0fane	and pretty fast, too	20:41
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bennypr0fane	lightning start, conpared to before	20:42
freemangordon	bennypr0fane: thumb one?	20:42
bennypr0fane	yes!	20:42
bennypr0fane	only just made the switch	20:43
bennypr0fane	no-thumb fennec 7 to thumb	20:43
bennypr0fane	quite the difference i gotta say	20:43
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bennypr0fane	page loading not that much, but still	20:45
bennypr0fane	mainly handling, responsiveness is better	20:45
freemangordon	yeah, page loading times suck	20:45
freemangordon	but it seems to be an upstream bug	20:45
bennypr0fane	well not worse than MicroB	20:45
freemangordon	whaat?	20:45
freemangordon	do you have adblock?	20:46
bennypr0fane	yes	20:46
freemangordon	hehe	20:46
freemangordon	remove it	20:46
freemangordon	and tey microb again ;)	20:46
bennypr0fane	that will make my life betteR?	20:46
freemangordon	*try	20:46
freemangordon	you won;t believe it	20:46
kerio	yeah, adblock is really heavy	20:46
bennypr0fane	hmmm	20:46
bennypr0fane	who'd have thunk	20:46
bennypr0fane	so MicroB as fast as Opera?Helium?	20:47
freemangordon	if not faster	20:47
kerio	hm, how am i supposed to make nemo boot with uboot?	20:47
bennypr0fane	that should make me rather happy...	20:47
bennypr0fane	kerio you use power kernel?	20:48
kerio	bennypr0fane: yes	20:48
kerio	ah fuck, i have to remove the battery for this :C	20:48
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bennypr0fane	kerio, check this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Nokia_N900	20:49
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vi___	adblock is brutal.	20:49
freemangordon	yeah, it adds about 8010 seconds to page loading time	20:50
bennypr0fane	freemangordon I aslo have fasterfox and speedDNS in MicroB. Any of that slow me down too?	20:50
freemangordon	8-10	20:50
freemangordon	NFC	20:50
vi___	Make a light hosts file block list and add the flashblock script to your user.css.	20:50
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vi___	bennypr0fane: probably yes.	20:50
vi___	fasterfox is widely panned as being a POS	20:50
vi___	think of it as the speedpatch of firefox.	20:51
kerio	fasterfox is a POS	20:51
bennypr0fane	what is a POS? Yes to whaT?	20:51
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kerio	Piece Of Shit	20:52
bennypr0fane	will it suffice to deactivate Ad block or need to remove it?	20:52
vi___	pile of shit.	20:52
vi___	bennypr0fane: I think de-activate is ok.	20:53
vi___	bennypr0fane: look into 'fanboy' host file block list.	20:53
vi___	he offers a 'lite' version for lower power machines.	20:53
bennypr0fane	vi___ as a replacement for ad block?	20:53
bennypr0fane	what about speed DNS?	20:54
vi___	bennypr0fane: yes as an ab replacement.	20:54
bennypr0fane	do you have any active addon in MicroB?	20:54
vi___	fuck the internet with no adblck.	20:55
ab	vi___: no need to replace me	20:55
vi___	ab: hah.	20:55
kerio	ab: oh you	20:55
bennypr0fane	ab HAHA :-D	20:55
vi___	a lurker awakens!	20:55
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vi___	bennypr0fane: noscript	20:55
bennypr0fane	kerio you trying the latest nemo?	20:55
kerio	yes, but in a weird way	20:56
vi___	bennypr0fane: ghostery works	20:56
bennypr0fane	vi____ what is a hosts file block list	20:56
bennypr0fane	kerio weird how?	20:57
vi___	bennypr0fane: look it uo.	20:57
vi___	bennypr0fane: look it upp.	20:57
kerio	bennypr0fane: i didn't follow the "correct" partition layout	20:57
kerio	and i don't know how to specify where's the root device	20:57
bennypr0fane	I think you can't	20:57
kerio	BS	20:57
bennypr0fane	you trying to run it off mmc?	20:57
kerio	yes	20:58
bennypr0fane	oh	20:59
bennypr0fane	well that comlicates things	20:59
kerio	apparently the only devices that the kernel sees at boot are mtdblock*	20:59
bennypr0fane	guys, is there a way to load the desktop version of Facebook in FEnnec?	20:59
kerio	oic	21:00
bennypr0fane	vi___ the results I get are all Windows relatede	21:00
bennypr0fane	for hosts file blocking	21:01
bennypr0fane	are these as true for all browsers?	21:01
vi___	bennypr0fane: yes	21:02
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bennypr0fane	I hate all sites that won't show me the desktop version if I want it	21:05
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kerio	FUCKING SYSTEMD NOT MAKING MY NEMO BOOT	21:06
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kerio	ok, fixed fstab :)	21:09
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DocScrutinizer05	((<FIQ\|n900> i've not found anyone willing to fix it for me :) )) recently somebody had his N900 USB repaired at a Nokia Care point, and he actually got device back in fixed condition, paid 30GBP. It wasn't in warranty anymore, so Nokia didn't feel like keeping the N900 and shipping a crappy "replacement" N8 or whatever instead. Maybe a viable way to get yours fixed as well?	21:13
kerio	hm, nemo is pretty	21:14
kerio	:3	21:14
kerio	it reports my battery as empty, though	21:14
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bennypr0fane	kerio u find it rather usable? afaik there's still a lot missing...	21:17
kerio	it's a tech demo, of course it's not usable	21:17
kerio	:)	21:17
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kerio	and now to never use it again	21:20
vi___	it is not so hard.	21:21
vi___	Just give me debian+hildon+gsm on my fone.	21:22
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kerio	vi___: word	21:22
ShadowJK	kerio; I suspect the applet counts Wait as use	21:23
ShadowJK	or everything not "idle" as busy	21:25
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DocScrutinizer05	((<kerio> hm, nemo is pretty)) haute couture, while we all know we need an overall in daily live, not something sexy looking that doesn't even allow sitting down	21:35
DocScrutinizer05	^^^ this was a more generic comment about recent OS design paradigms found everywhere	21:36
DocScrutinizer05	s/live/life/	21:37
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: but it's pretty!	21:37
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: fun fact: systemd will keep trying and trying and trying if you have something that doesn't work in your fstab	21:42
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DocScrutinizer05	fsck systemd - yesterday I found no way to `stop akonadi-server`	21:44
DocScrutinizer05	systemd is an undigestible POS in my book	21:44
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DocScrutinizer05	btw systemd already uses dbus, sth I thought was a joke until I've seen it mentioned in man systemd	21:55
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DocScrutinizer05	I'm rather sure there are still nasty bug sleeping in dbus. the more I appreciate a new process-#1 using dbus now	21:56
DocScrutinizer05	oh, and of course I'd adore dbus running on all my small embedded systems like sheeevaplug, whatever, just to make systemd happy	22:02
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: i just checked, there's no systemd on my sheevaplug :3	22:04
DocScrutinizer05	linux more and more turns from a general purpose OS to sth tailored to fit windows-alike desktops only. Thanks to Lennart	22:04
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vi___	MohammadAG: PING!	22:08
vi___	get this	22:08
vi___	a rootfs image, with backupmenu rolled in...	22:09
vi___	...PLUS an eMMC image include inside the rootfs image.	22:09
vi___	That way you only need flash the rootfs image then wipe mmc with the opt tar	22:10
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kerio	vi___: are you still desperately trying to figure out how fiascogen is supposed to work?	22:13
vi___	I know how it is SUPPOSED to work.	22:13
vi___	It just turns out no one EVER saw fit to document how the layout file should look.	22:14
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SpeedEvil	:-\	22:16
DocScrutinizer05	vi___: maybe we could ask somebody (ex-)$Nokia to shed some light on it?	22:18
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DocScrutinizer05	vi___: you meanwhile think it's definitely related to layout file?	22:21
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DocScrutinizer05	vi___: also, iirc this fiasco-gen is just some 40k and available for X86. freemangordon might be able and willing to analyze it, maybe	22:22
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: you tried to unpack the non-working fiasco.bin via flasher-3.5?	22:24
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DocScrutinizer05	s/freemangordon/vi___/	22:24
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: vi___: you tried to unpack the non-working fiasco.bin via flasher-3.5?	22:24
vi___	DocScrutinizer05: fiasco-gen is available for x86.	22:25
vi___	It has no sanity checking on the layout files.	22:25
DocScrutinizer05	that's what I wrote	22:25
vi___	So you can feed in any old shit and it will use it.	22:26
DocScrutinizer05	sure	22:26
vi___	However if you try to flash it, it will fail.	22:26
vi___	I have had varying degrees of success.	22:26
DocScrutinizer05	just when you unpack such shitty fiasco.bin via flasher, you could compare the unpacked files to the original ones you used to build it	22:26
vi___	The most successful I have had is using the layout file as it appears in the header of the pr1.3 emmc.	22:27
vi___	DocScrutinizer05: I have tried that.	22:27
vi___	Unpacking gets you your filesystem image.	22:27
vi___	It is the same as I put it in.	22:27
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vi___	with the nokia mmc mydocs image+the 'example' layout (from the header), flasher will accept the fiasco image, attempt to flash it then choke at 96%	22:29
vi___	If I alter the header, flasher will not accept the fiasco image.	22:29
Drathir	vi___: flasher have any verbose mode?	22:29
vi___	If I alter the filesystem image, flasher will barf at ~20%.	22:30
vi___	If I compare the header of my mmc image with that of pr1.3 header I can see they are different.	22:30
vi___	There seems to be an extra 'label' in the nokia one.	22:31
freemangordon	does anyone know what exactly libedataserver.so do?	22:31
DocScrutinizer05	evolution?	22:31
freemangordon	yep	22:31
DocScrutinizer05	no idea, beyond that	22:32
freemangordon	I have a feeling that contacts are not in DB	22:32
freemangordon	well, not in berkeley DB	22:32
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freemangordon	but in a simple file	22:32
vi___	http://paste.debian.net/210523/	22:32
vi___	^ is the header from my fiasco image	22:33
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vi___	http://paste.debian.net/210524/	22:33
vi___	^ is the header from pr1.3 emmc image	22:33
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vi___	you will see the nokia one contains a 'RX-51_20'... line at the start.	22:36
vi___	It is NOT the version string you can specify in the layout file.	22:37
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vi___	This page details the fiasco image format:	22:38
vi___	http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/?p=docu&q=fiasco	22:38
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vi___	and now I am stumped	22:41
DocScrutinizer05	vi___: yours is missing "3.mmc { "	22:41
vi___	DocScrutinizer05: Yes.	22:42
vi___	But htf do I get it there?	22:42
vi___	If I add it to the layout file, the image will not be accepted by flasher (never mind even getting to fail to flash).	22:42
DocScrutinizer05	make sure your {} match in layout	22:43
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vi___	So you are suggesting I add '3.mmc { blah blah blah } to my file?	22:44
DocScrutinizer05	vi___: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	22:44
vi___	I am pretty sure I have tried that.	22:44
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vi___	I do not understand what you mean doc.	22:47
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DocScrutinizer05	I think it's just about format of layout file, and possibly parameter passed via >>--mmc-partition=ARG Partition for the MMC raw image (in layout)<< (which might create the 'label' you're missing)	22:49
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, no better ideas here	22:50
vi___	you are hinting at something, can you be more specific?	22:51
vi___	MohammadAG: ping	23:00
DocScrutinizer05	vi___: the structure as found on http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools seems "wellformed" (matching { } and a label "mmc" ). your excerpt as of http://paste.debian.net/210523/ is missing that. Either it has to get included into layout file, or fiasco-gen auto-creates it when given the right parameters	23:02
DocScrutinizer05	vi___: that's about all hints I can give. I'm largely handwaving	23:03
* fil has spent the day going through old forum threads and recreating the flaining attempts of others to sort out his crappy SIP quality ... to no great effect -- I just tried Skype though, and it works fine, which makes it even more annoying		23:04
fil	s/flaining/flailing/	23:05
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fil	anyone know how to disable echo cancelation in the n900 SIP client? (just a vague theory that I want to eliminate: the freeswitch and n900 echo cancelation stuff may be getting into a fight)	23:08
DocScrutinizer05	there's no way for two EC to get into a fight	23:09
DocScrutinizer05	fil: wireshark has a good analysis function for RTP (SIP) streams	23:10
DocScrutinizer05	check your inbound jitter / packet-loss	23:10
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vi___	fil: Limit the codecs sip can use.	23:18
vi___	Limit it to the lower quality ones	23:18
vi___	gsm	23:18
vi___	ilbc	23:18
vi___	and g729	23:18
vi___	(i think)	23:18
DocScrutinizer05	I found that 3 most relevant sources of problems with SIP audio quality are: WiFi / router / firewall-there, Codec used (depends on far end as much as your own client), and audio card itself (PA for maemo)	23:19
DocScrutinizer05	hey, vi___ beat me on it	23:19
vi___	fil: My sip performance is utter shit as well.	23:20
vi___	Performance seems to be improved by disabling the other codecs.	23:20
vi___	But it is too early to say.	23:20
vi___	DocScrutinizer05: Some of us are not allowed to fiddle with work wifi access points...	23:20
DocScrutinizer05	in our case it could be other way round: the low-bandwidth codecs could just hog the N900 CPU, while 'simple' codecs with high bandwidth might work better	23:22
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vi___	DocScrutinizer05: Perhaps, give me a couple of days before I make a comment.	23:22
vi___	Fortunatley we have wireshark on the n900!	23:22
DocScrutinizer05	indeed	23:23
DocScrutinizer05	mad useful tool	23:23
DocScrutinizer05	even does statistics on jitter etc of RTP streams, and knows to playback them	23:24
fil	well, I've tried it in all sorts of places over the years, but since I use SIP for my work phone, clients start getting tired of dire quality pretty quickly, so I burn money on GSM even when I shouldn't need to to avoid complaints (and thus do much less testing recently)	23:24
DocScrutinizer05	if your inbound RTP UDP stream is jitterfree and no packet loss, the problem is inside N900	23:24
fil	I'll check that now...	23:25
DocScrutinizer05	otherwise try low bandwidth codecs and better WiFi AP	23:25
DocScrutinizer05	also WiFi encryption might be a source for CPU hogging	23:26
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DocScrutinizer05	alas libsofiasip isn't twinklephone, so the debugging options are not that many	23:28
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DocScrutinizer05	you however might try and use N900 as a WiFi network access via USB, and run twinkle (or other SIP clients of your choice) on a tethered PC	23:29
vi___	fil: You can configure the codecs for sip by editing /etc/stream-engine/gstcodecs.conf	23:30
DocScrutinizer05	so you could rule out the WiFi for source of jitter and/or packet loss	23:30
vi___	fil: you can disable a codec by putting a 'id=-1' in the control block.	23:30
DocScrutinizer05	vi___: duh! thanks for that info! :-)	23:30
vi___	DocScrutinizer05: I still know 1 or 2 tricks!	23:32
fil	vi___: yeah, thanks -- I'd worked that bit out in my travels -- I've tried playing a few of the codecs, but not GSM, which I'd guess it optimised for, so worth a try	23:33
DocScrutinizer05	my guess: sequence of those codecs in that file determines which is preferred and which less prio	23:33
fil	(although my testing recently has been simply calling the Freeswitch IVR demo, which may not be a very good test for normal calls)	23:33
DocScrutinizer05	fil: GSM isn't optimized. Since it's done inside modem usually	23:34
fil	ah, fair enough	23:34
DocScrutinizer05	fil: iLBC usually considered best codec to be found	23:34
fil	that didn't seem to help :-/	23:35
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DocScrutinizer05	PCMA/PCMU are pretty simply and thus high-bandwidth codecs	23:36
DocScrutinizer05	simple*	23:36
DocScrutinizer05	high bandwidth low CPU load	23:36
fil	the frustrating thing is that twinkle on my laptop on the same wifi routers has never had an issue whenever I fired it up to see if the problem was external to the n900	23:36
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DocScrutinizer05	hmm, check which codec it negotiates	23:37
fil	good idea	23:37
DocScrutinizer05	(shows up next to call duration)	23:37
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DocScrutinizer05	during call	23:37
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DocScrutinizer05	pleased to hear somebody is using twinke still	23:38
DocScrutinizer05	you're no by any chance using the de_DE locale?	23:38
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DocScrutinizer05	hmm, prolly not, judging by your realname	23:39
fil	nah -- en_UK (despite sitting in Berlin at this moment :-) )	23:39
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DocScrutinizer05	I massively augmented the de_DE translation to include lots of explanations beyond what Michel originally implemented	23:40
DocScrutinizer05	a pity my tweaks to window dimensions and icons and hotkeys etc never made it 'upstream'	23:42
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DocScrutinizer05	a few other patches did, though	23:43
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vi___	how do I manually re-enumerate?	23:48
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vi___	WTF	23:50
vi___	DocScrutinizer05: hub 1-0:1.0: connect-debounce failed, port 7 disabled	23:50
vi___	^ I just got 10 of those on my PC.	23:51
vi___	when I connected an n900 on backupmenu.	23:51
vi___	I thought fuckit and pulled the battery.	23:51
vi___	The n900 stayed on as it was connected by usb cable.	23:51
Drathir	that georgious sound of floopy disk...	23:51
vi___	It then enumerated fine?	23:52
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vi___	How the hell could the removal of the battery fix the above error. That is insane.	23:52
DocScrutinizer05	hmm, it probably can't	23:52
DocScrutinizer05	tbh it definitely can't	23:53
fil	DocScrutinizer05: yeah, shame it's not being developed any more :-/ -- amusingly it seems that I've broken audio on the laptop too now (although I don't think that's SIP related, as youtube audio is totally fragmented at present too -- oh well)	23:53
DocScrutinizer05	though from your description, I conclude that you're not running bme	23:53
fil	anyway, it was negociating spx-wb	23:53
DocScrutinizer05	so I got NFC what pali's bme-alternative does to USB	23:54
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DocScrutinizer05	fil: (broken audio) I bet on PA	23:55
fil	yup	23:55
DocScrutinizer05	(not developed anymore) say "thank you, qt!"	23:55
vi___	fil: Did you run wireshark while initiating a sip call?	23:55
DocScrutinizer05	speex-wideband, hmm	23:56
fil	not yet, will do now that I've installed it (I really ought to undo all the tweaks I've tried over the day too ... before I forget what I did)	23:56
DocScrutinizer05	I wouldn't bet a penny on any particular of the fremantle codecs being bugfree	23:56
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vi___	DocScrutinizer05: heresy!	23:58
teotwaki	did I hear SIP issues?	23:59
DocScrutinizer05	yeah	23:59
DocScrutinizer05	poor audio quality	23:59
DocScrutinizer05	inbound it seems	23:59
teotwaki	ah, I've never solved that one on the n900	23:59
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