| MrPingu | I just halved al values manually + no blur, smooth as butter | 00:00 |
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| MrPingu | rotation over z-axis | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | kerio; heh, with the same settings on pc and on n900 I get as slow (or fast) speeds either way. | 00:03 |
| RiD | lol. I talked to the wrong estel in freenode :( | 00:03 |
| RiD | what was his nickname on freenode? | 00:04 |
| MrPingu | estel_ | 00:04 |
| RiD | always with a "_" ? | 00:04 |
| MrPingu | Yes | 00:04 |
| RiD | ok. So i guess he never registered in freenode. | 00:04 |
| RiD | I talked with the wrong estel :( | 00:04 |
| ShadowJK | kerio; though when accessing stuff locally on N900 you might also trigger other traffic, which makes it a bit slower. For huge data trransfers on n900 I usually drop swappiness a bit first. It hurts interactivity/responsiveness but improves throughput when the emmc can do just ne thing without getting distracted | 00:05 |
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| ShadowJK | But in general, when I run same kernel version on PC as on N900, and have same settings, I get same speeds either way | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | In fact at first I got smaller speeds with PC-N900 because I had tweaked N900 for flash storage and PC was left on defaults optimized for harddrives | 00:07 |
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| cjdavies | did somebody earlier say that 'apt-get upgrade' is fine? | 00:12 |
| cjdavies | but not 'apt-get dist-upgrade' (which I learned the hard way) | 00:12 |
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| tadzik | I once mentioned apt-get here and got shouted at ;) | 00:14 |
| cjdavies | the phone essentially runs debian as far as I can tell & the app manager is just a GUI to apt | 00:15 |
| RiD | apt-get | 00:15 |
| RiD | shout | 00:15 |
| cjdavies | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPT | 00:16 |
| cjdavies | that loud enough? | 00:16 |
| RiD | ay pee tee getch. | 00:16 |
| user___ | apt-get upgrape is ok if you have sharp eyes. | 00:16 |
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| RiD | grape | 00:16 |
| RiD | i like grape, vi... vi something | 00:17 |
| vi___ | but dont do it if you have devel enabled. | 00:17 |
| cjdavies | ah | 00:17 |
| cjdavies | I should probably read the wiki on devel more thoroughly | 00:17 |
| vi___ | there is some shitty packages in there. | 00:17 |
| vi___ | cjdavies: nah, thats just to scare teh noobz. | 00:17 |
| cjdavies | wait, so apt-get upgrade is okay with devel enabled as long as I actually check what it is upgrading before blindly hitting [Y] | 00:18 |
| vi___ | correct! | 00:18 |
| vi___ | upgrading battle of wesnoth to devel=cool | 00:19 |
| tadzik | \o/ | 00:19 |
| tadzik | if only n900 could handle it :P | 00:19 |
| RiD | whenever it asks you to upgrade water to beer, accept | 00:19 |
| cjdavies | I suppose that's no different to any other system, as you should always check what's going to happen first... | 00:19 |
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| vi___ | upgrading broken libc in devel=uncool :( | 00:19 |
| cjdavies | RiD: how about beer to vodka? | 00:19 |
| RiD | water to wine. Jesus mode | 00:19 |
| * cjdavies will hopefully get a stylus in the mail tomorrow, which if anything will prevent fluff getting into the hole | 00:19 | |
| RiD | lol | 00:20 |
| tadzik | tehehehe | 00:20 |
| RiD | you'll get a stylus that does NOT match the n900 | 00:20 |
| cjdavies | it claims to be for a N900 | 00:20 |
| cjdavies | with any luck | 00:20 |
| RiD | claims | 00:20 |
| RiD | ;) | 00:20 |
| cjdavies | I paid a whole £1.69 to get one that was in the UK | 00:20 |
| tadzik | which reminds me, I need to polish mine | 00:20 |
| cjdavies | as opposed to 99p for one in Hong Kong | 00:20 |
| tadzik | I can hear it scratching the screen | 00:20 |
| RiD | o_o | 00:20 |
| cjdavies | >.< | 00:20 |
| RiD | someone has a legit english / international whatever qwerty keyboard for n900? | 00:21 |
| RiD | for sell, of course | 00:21 |
| tadzik | what do you have instead? | 00:21 |
| RiD | why did they have to ruin n900's locally, with terrible Spain+Portuguese layout in 1. I don't need a dedicated key for "ñ". I never use that in my language! | 00:21 |
| * RiD goes to a corner and starts crying | 00:22 | |
| tadzik | heh, I need to open virtual keyboard to write my name ;) | 00:22 |
| tadzik | I usually don't bother and asciify it | 00:22 |
| RiD | lol | 00:22 |
| RiD | hello, my name is #%()bh"&$/, what about yours? | 00:22 |
| tadzik | hehe | 00:22 |
| tadzik | Sośnierz is probably equally bad for those w/o utf8 | 00:23 |
| tadzik | not that they don't deserve it | 00:23 |
| RiD | ś | 00:23 |
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| cjdavies | it took me years before I realised that screen actually has an option to force UTF8 | 00:32 |
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| tadzik | I didn't know. It usually Just Works for me | 00:33 |
| cjdavies | it usually just works for me, but every now & then I'll set up a new box wrong & it'll be on some ISO job instead of UTF8 | 00:33 |
| cjdavies | doesn't harm aliasing it to 'screen' anyway | 00:33 |
| cjdavies | at least, I don't think it does ;) | 00:33 |
| RiD | yes | 00:35 |
| FIQ | [23:17:35] <cjdavies> I should probably read the wiki on devel more thoroughly | 00:36 |
| FIQ | Basically it's like having testing activated in archlinux | 00:36 |
| tadzik | hehe | 00:37 |
| FIQ | i.e. you don't use it unless you want to help bug test stuff | 00:37 |
| FIQ | oh wait.. you didn't run arch | 00:37 |
| tadzik | testing in archlinux is a bit like adding more pure alcohol to your vodka | 00:38 |
| tadzik | "don't use unless you want to get drunk" | 00:38 |
| FIQ | lol :p | 00:38 |
| FIQ | cjdavies: sorry, I mixed you up with another guy in here | 00:38 |
| FIQ | ...or did I? no idea, i'm tired ._. | 00:39 |
| * FIQ logs | 00:39 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: you might be able to find qwerty keymat | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's what I did since äöü annoyed me just as much | 00:42 |
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| FIQ | how did you disable the stupid hold key=fn key thing? | 00:43 |
| * Drathir ssu onboard successfully upgraded... ^^ | 00:44 | |
| FIQ | ~jrtools | 00:44 |
| infobot | methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 00:44 |
| RiD | DocScrutinizer05 the thing is i don't want some chinese one where the light does not shine through | 00:45 |
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| FIQ | there we go | 00:47 |
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| Drathir | now my favorite mtr ntpd mc htop | 00:48 |
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| FIQ | so why does dist-upgrade want to remove pretty much everything anyway? | 00:56 |
| Drathir | looks like now more smoother than default clean flashed... | 00:56 |
| FIQ | also why do Ihave to use HAM for installing cssu... | 00:57 |
| RiD | HAMburguer | 00:58 |
| RiD | burger* | 00:58 |
| tadzik | haha | 00:58 |
| tadzik | HAMburger would be slow food | 00:58 |
| FIQ | i don't like HAM and it like to annoy me with infinite loading times | 00:59 |
| FIQ | *likes | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: it's the way CSSU insatllation works, take it | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, it's a one-time event. and it doesn't need attention | 01:00 |
| FIQ | "one-time" | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infinite loading times mainly caused by luser enabled extras-devel | 01:01 |
| FIQ | upgrading means a trek to it again :p | 01:01 |
| FIQ | but i get your point | 01:01 |
| FIQ | and yeah, but it's still long with it disabled | 01:01 |
| RiD | perfect time to drink something | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually with most recent CSSU-T you get an improved HAM, and eventually you'll get a CSSU HAM that's mandatory to handle CSSU optional packages | 01:02 |
| RiD | and now your automatic breathing mode is disabled | 01:02 |
| FIQ | hmm ok sounds good | 01:02 |
| FIQ | RiD: ...... | 01:03 |
| RiD | innocent phrase with such power... doesn't make sense in our world | 01:03 |
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| Drathir | FIQ: better alternative to HAM ? console? | 01:03 |
| FIQ | Drathir: sure, but cssu requires you to use HAM | 01:03 |
| FIQ | if you want to install it correctly | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: there's no better alternative to HAM. You can use apt-get install to install random pkgs | 01:04 |
| FIQ | "do a backup of your system" pff, this system is recently backed up | 01:04 |
| FIQ | or rather, restored from a backup recently, which technically means recently backed up :p | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: beware though, some pkgs simply don't install properly via apt-get install | 01:05 |
| FIQ | what does HAM do that apt can't? | 01:06 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: fastapp or sonthing be there when buyed phone anybady know that app? | 01:06 |
| FIQ | i.e. *why* don't they install correctly? | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | faster app manager aka fapman | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | deprecated! | 01:06 |
| FIQ | also, meh | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: for example when they want to pop up a requester on H-D | 01:07 |
| vi___ | FIQ: HAM can sgutdown hildon home, like changing run levels. | 01:07 |
| FIQ | was going to disable devel from doing some stuff yesterday | 01:07 |
| FIQ | that's not easy when HAM hides repo list... hate when it does | 01:07 |
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| FIQ | iirc there was a solution but I forgot all about it | 01:07 |
| vi___ | FIQ: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon.list | 01:08 |
| FIQ | ty | 01:08 |
| FIQ | hmm | 01:08 |
| FIQ | how does HAM disable repos? | 01:08 |
| FIQ | just placing a # before it? | 01:08 |
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| FIQ | want to do it the same way in case stuff break otherwise | 01:09 |
| vi___ | It is just like a normal sources.list | 01:09 |
| vi___ | FIQ: just # out the lines | 01:09 |
| FIQ | yeah i know it is, but wanted to know in case HAM disabled in a special way | 01:09 |
| FIQ | vi___: ok | 01:10 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: now time to power kernel and yours apps... | 01:10 |
| FIQ | for example the "name" field seems non-existent in the file | 01:11 |
| FIQ | so it stores stuff in another way too | 01:11 |
| Drathir | how about synaptic? | 01:11 |
| vi___ | Drathir: even worse. | 01:12 |
| Drathir | good to know... | 01:12 |
| FIQ | Drathir: there's no synaptic gui, and if there was, it would be even slower | 01:12 |
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| FIQ | than HAM | 01:12 |
| FIQ | try it under easy-debian and you'll understand what I mean | 01:12 |
| vi___ | In my opinion fapman is fine. | 01:13 |
| vi___ | just dont use it for system updates. | 01:13 |
| FIQ | vi___: iirc it does some strange things and is discouraged in here | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fapman is known to fsck up your system, sooner or later | 01:13 |
| vi___ | it comes with no warrenty. | 01:14 |
| FIQ | isn't fapman simply a "correct" frontend to apt? | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fapman is just a graphic frontend to apt-get, unlike HAM which does actually do a few more things | 01:14 |
| FIQ | i.e. it shouldn't do worse stuff than apt | 01:14 |
| vi___ | FIQ: I use fapman. IDGAF. | 01:14 |
| tadzik | autoremove is no worse than apt, yes :) | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, and autoremove is what fapman does, ebetually | 01:15 |
| FIQ | why? | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NFC | 01:15 |
| tadzik | good intentions, probably | 01:15 |
| vi___ | gtg | 01:15 |
| vi___ | gn | 01:15 |
| FIQ | should be easy to fix | 01:15 |
| vi___ | :q | 01:15 |
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| tadzik | good vi user | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq I'd fix fapman when there's apt-get | 01:16 |
| FIQ | well there's still people who use fam | 01:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I either use apt-get for normal stuff, or occasionally I use HAM for 'critical' stuff | 01:16 |
| FIQ | why's autoremove bad? i did that occasionally earlier | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: as mentioned above, it's absolutely deprecated, esp for CSSU | 01:17 |
| FIQ | didn't have any problem with it | 01:17 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: fair enough | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU maintainers CBA to maintain fapman and fix it to work for CSSU | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | basically fapman is a pretty poor idea. If you want to improve on user experience with application manager, fix HAM instead of creating a poorly designed buggy clone | 01:19 |
| RiD | i see you hate it | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fapman designed on the premise to leave out stuff that's considered 'useless' from HAM. The consideration seems to be based on a poor understanding of what HAM does | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: how can't you hate an app named fapman? | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 01:21 |
| FIQ | this happened before too... | 01:22 |
| RiD | i actually think that's what makes me like it | 01:22 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: Attempted to do step 5 of cssu install, but HAM simply says "Process failed" (translated from swe, might not be exact wording) | 01:23 |
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| FIQ | and there's no icon | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: /join #maemo-ssu | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: I gather you used fapman, and/or other non-supported methods to update system | 01:27 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: not since last reflash | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then that's pretty strange | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never had that before | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway ask in righ chan | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: there are a few packages that will conflict with CSSU(-enabler). You have to ask the CSSU maintainers about how to properly debug stuff, there are actually ways to do cssu installation via shell/apt, and they probably give better feedback about problems encountered | 01:31 |
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| Drathir | booted ok | 02:02 |
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| Ken-Young | How are the maemo.org servers going to be paid for when Nokia stops supporting them? | 02:49 |
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| devilinside | is there anyway to use default vkb with easy debian or transparent vkb with n900? | 03:03 |
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| devilinside | ???? | 03:07 |
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| FIQ | so I can empty all stored password or none... what about if I want to remove just one...? | 03:17 |
| devilinside | i think there is a password manager for microB | 03:19 |
| FIQ | sorry I wasn't specific but yes I do mean microB | 03:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Ken-Young: board will raise funds | 03:52 |
| FIQ | hmmmm | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, I got a bookmark for that iirc | 03:53 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer05, Thanks. I'll contribute, if I actually see some announcement outlining how to do that. I can't pitch in a whole lot, but I'll do something at least. | 03:53 |
| FIQ | "bounce - Playable 3D technology demo for N900" there's one thing I don't like with this thing | 03:54 |
| FIQ | it shows the true 3d potential of n900 | 03:54 |
| FIQ | now how many games using 3d does n900 have? :p | 03:54 |
| SpeedEvil | :-( | 03:54 |
| SpeedEvil | bounce was awesome | 03:54 |
| FIQ | yeah it was | 03:55 |
| FIQ | (apart from taking up like 10% of installable space) | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Ken-Young: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Chrome_URLs might help? | 03:55 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer05, I don't understand - what does that have to do with contributing money to fund maemo.org servers? | 03:56 |
| FIQ | SpeedEvil: I once played the futuristic thing to see what happened if you got past uh | 03:56 |
| FIQ | 1k in score or something like that | 03:57 |
| FIQ | the UI glitched :p | 03:57 |
| SpeedEvil | :-) | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Ken-Young: sorry, was for FIQ | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | password manager | 03:58 |
| FIQ | oh | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, thought I got a better link | 03:59 |
| FIQ | well I don't understand much of that | 04:00 |
| FIQ | or, I *understand* | 04:01 |
| FIQ | but don't see how it helps me | 04:01 |
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| Drathir | maybe someone know why default player dont steram media? any kind of bug? | 04:12 |
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| mad_dev | Drathir: i think mplayer has online streaming functionality | 04:17 |
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| fil | what's the current favorite way of syncing calandars from an n900 to somemwhere else (preferably talking something like caldav)? likewise for contacts? | 09:49 |
| Skry | fil: not sure how up-to-date wiki is but http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync | 09:51 |
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| vi__ | fil: You still here? | 10:43 |
| vi__ | Sync evolution works for syncing individual calanders | 10:43 |
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| vi__ | ShadowJK: ping | 11:02 |
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| fil | vi__: hi -- so does one has to have evolution somewhere in the mix? or can one use sync-evolution and point it at a caldav server for the calendar, and maybe an LDAP server for the contacts, say? | 11:07 |
| fil | s/has/have/ | 11:09 |
| infobot | fil meant: vi__: hi -- so does one have to have evolution somewhere in the mix? or can one use sync-evolution and point it at a caldav server for the calendar, and maybe an LDAP server for the contacts, say? | 11:09 |
| fil | ick! I wasn't expecting that to happen ;-) | 11:09 |
| vi__ | you need to use sync-evolution and I believe it supports caldav. | 11:11 |
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| fil | vi__: ok, I'll give it a go -- thanks | 11:18 |
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| freemangordon | THE FUCK?!? AlarmUI stille leaks memory, even with my fixes. Someone should check all of the packages made by AlarmUI developer. | 11:23 |
| freemangordon | vi_: ping | 11:23 |
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| jon_y | freemangordon: valgrind? | 11:26 |
| freemangordon | jon_y: well, i found what leaks, just that I am impressed, I've never seens such a buggy code to be allowed to go on the field | 11:27 |
| freemangordon | *seen | 11:27 |
| jon_y | AGILE! | 11:27 |
| tadzik | :D | 11:27 |
| jon_y | of course, there is no customer feedback to make it work | 11:27 |
| tadzik | more like SHITTY DEVELOPERS! | 11:27 |
| jon_y | they have moved on to $next_product | 11:27 |
| tadzik | "who cares, kernel will free the memory later" | 11:28 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: o/ | 11:28 |
| freemangordon | vi__: do you use alarmui replacement? | 11:28 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: Now you understand why you were never allowed to see BME code! | 11:28 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: Yes. | 11:28 |
| freemangordon | hmm, I need someone with stock | 11:28 |
| freemangordon | jon_y: ^^^? | 11:28 |
| tadzik | freemangordon: what do you need? | 11:29 |
| vi__ | osso-systemui-alarm 0.2.1.31+0m5. | 11:29 |
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| freemangordon | someone to check the heap size of systemui | 11:29 |
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| freemangordon | someone who uses alarms on daily basis | 11:30 |
| freemangordon | and has uptime at least 3 days | 11:30 |
| tadzik | they wake me up every day | 11:30 |
| freemangordon | good | 11:30 |
| jon_y | freemangordon: without end users for feedback, agile or whatever $new_fad is a shitty excuse for sloppy coding | 11:30 |
| tadzik | uptime is 1 day 17:37 though | 11:30 |
| tadzik | reflashing :/ | 11:30 |
| jon_y | I had enough dealing at it at work :( | 11:30 |
| freemangordon | so, what is the heap size in /proc/`pidof systemyu`/smaps | 11:31 |
| freemangordon | tadzik: ^^^ | 11:31 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: I have a stock n900 at home, but I will not have it for another 10 hours. | 11:31 |
| freemangordon | sorry for the typos | 11:31 |
| vi__ | If you are still stuck then, give me a shout. | 11:31 |
| freemangordon | vi__: i am not stuck, I want to be sure it is not some memory leak caused by me | 11:31 |
| jon_y | often cycle times are so fast, product is shoved out the door without adequate Q&A | 11:32 |
| jon_y | stupid managers and their ttm | 11:32 |
| tadzik | freemangordon: 00017000-0045b000 rw-p 00017000 00:00 0 [heap] | 11:32 |
| tadzik | (or something like this) | 11:32 |
| freemangordon | what is the size? | 11:32 |
| tadzik | heh, how do I know :) | 11:32 |
| freemangordon | it is written there :P | 11:32 |
| tadzik | that's grep -i heap /proc/`pidof systemui`/smaps | 11:32 |
| freemangordon | noo | 11:32 |
| tadzik | (bbs) | 11:32 |
| freemangordon | cat /proc/`pidof systemui`/smaps | less | 11:33 |
| freemangordon | or more, whichever is convinient to you | 11:33 |
| jaska | hmm size: 1284 kB rss: 1124 kB | 11:33 |
| freemangordon | jaska: yeah, thanks | 11:33 |
| freemangordon | this is what I mean | 11:33 |
| freemangordon | jaska: what is your uptime | 11:33 |
| jaska | 21 day uptime, alarm on workdays | 11:33 |
| freemangordon | ? | 11:33 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 11:34 |
| jaska | same package version as vi | 11:35 |
| jon_y | freemangordon: woops, my rant went too long, sorry, I don't have stock firmware | 11:35 |
| Macer_ | wtf | 11:35 |
| vi__ | Actually I am not sure if I installed replacement alarmui on this n900. | 11:35 |
| Macer_ | my car insurance went up?! | 11:35 |
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| * Macer gets his knife out to stab someone | 11:35 | |
| Macer | makes no sense | 11:35 |
| vi__ | Macer: welcome to the UK. | 11:35 |
| freemangordon | well, I'll check once again, but what I see in the (REed) code is notify_notification_new | 11:35 |
| freemangordon | with no g_object_unref | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I had a friggin motorboating sound yesterday, which I was able to stop with `stop pulseaudio; start pulseaudio` | 11:36 |
| vi__ | Where car insurance is an unregulated cartel. | 11:36 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: ...motorboating? | 11:36 |
| freemangordon | So I am pretty sure we have one NotifyNotification object memory leak on every alarm | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: ascii is rather unsuited to transfer audio | 11:37 |
| freemangordon | along with a couple of DBusMessage objects | 11:37 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: Can a rogue AP stop a wifi client radio being in power saving mode? | 11:37 |
| freemangordon | jaska: can you setup a new alarm, stop it and check if heap size for systemui remains the same | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: sure | 11:37 |
| freemangordon | or increases | 11:37 |
| jaska | holdon | 11:37 |
| jon_y | Macer: go scratch some other car :) | 11:37 |
| jaska | does the alarm have to go off? | 11:38 |
| freemangordon | jaska: I meant setup, wait it to be played, stop it | 11:38 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I get 250mA drain when streaming radio at work. | 11:38 |
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| freemangordon | jaska: and compare heap before/after | 11:38 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: As soon as I enter 'iwconfig wlan0 power period 1' it drops to ~100mA. | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be just 'normal' | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow | 11:38 |
| vi__ | If I then disable power saving 'iwconfig wlan0 power off' | 11:39 |
| vi__ | It jumps back to 250mA. | 11:39 |
| vi__ | It is set to powersaving maximum in the 'connections' menu. | 11:39 |
| jaska | freemangordon: soon it will scream :) | 11:39 |
| freemangordon | hehe :D | 11:39 |
| jaska | no change | 11:40 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 11:40 |
| vi__ | I am trying to determine if it is my device that is wonky, this AP or is n900 wifi powersaving broken? | 11:40 |
| jaska | but it might need more than one go to leak enough | 11:40 |
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| freemangordon | jaska: yeah | 11:40 |
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| freemangordon | well, I am going to doublecheck if it is not me guilty D: | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: that will be hard to determine | 11:41 |
| jaska | http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ is my alarm sound :), extracted it from the swf | 11:41 |
| jaska | kinda creepy to wake up to that every morning | 11:41 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: In fact if I then limit the rate to 12M it drops to ~90mA. | 11:41 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: Yeah, thought it might strike a chord with someone. | 11:41 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: This is where it gets crazy... | 11:42 |
| vi__ | If I then unlock the screen, it jumps back to ~250mA. | 11:42 |
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| vi__ | Until I set powersaving mode with iwconfig again. | 11:42 |
| freemangordon | jaska: no, it is not me. the only places g_object_unref is called is for some icons in calendar alarm ui | 11:43 |
| jaska | ok, guess it needs to leak more then | 11:43 |
| freemangordon | it is never called for NotifyNotification objects | 11:43 |
| vi__ | So my device is not entering powersaving mode until told. Then it is leaving powersaving mode when I unlock the screen. w. t. f. | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, PSM delays transmission of data packages. How should AP or N900 wifi know this stream is not realtime? | 11:43 |
| freemangordon | at least according to IDA | 11:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: PSM is meant to not kick in during streaming | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless your AP knows about the stream and does some bandwidth management | 11:45 |
| freemangordon | 3 days uptime, 6 alarms every morning which I snooze at least once | 11:45 |
| freemangordon | 00017000-0067c000 rw-p 00017000 00:00 0 [heap] | 11:45 |
| freemangordon | Size: 6548 kB | 11:46 |
| freemangordon | Rss: 4016 kB | 11:46 |
| freemangordon | Pss: 4016 kB | 11:46 |
| jaska | stock package? | 11:46 |
| freemangordon | no | 11:46 |
| freemangordon | but it will be the same with stock | 11:46 |
| freemangordon | at least by looking at the code | 11:46 |
| jaska | i dont snooze ever :), i used to snooze up to 2 hours per morning but found it futile :| | 11:47 |
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| jaska | so its just 5 alarms per week | 11:47 |
| freemangordon | jaska: well, this is why you have only abait 1M of heap despite your large uptime | 11:47 |
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| freemangordon | *about | 11:48 |
| jaska | could be.. id have 100+ day uptime if i hadnt rebooted "recently" | 11:48 |
| jaska | doing a dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile got me a watchdog reboot after about 1h | 11:48 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: But why does PSM turn off when I unlock the screen? | 11:48 |
| freemangordon | but deffinitely, one needs to find all packages by the same developer and check them carefully | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: no idea | 11:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: after 60 minutes?? | 11:51 |
| jaska | yes.. it took like 1h before it hit it | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: unusual for dd to run that long | 11:51 |
| jaska | but the device was unresponsive most of the time.. took like several minutes to get any ui action | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, at least unless source AND dest are /deev/* | 11:52 |
| jaska | time for some nomnom. | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | time for my doctor | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hate walks outside when I got flu and it's raining | 11:53 |
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| destrs | Hello, after apt-get update and reboot i dont have sound in my n900(speakers,headphones). How to fix that? ): | 12:50 |
| vi__ | destrs: Is that the truth? | 12:53 |
| vi__ | destrs: All you entered was 'apt-get update'? | 12:54 |
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| destrs | vi__: day before i tried dist-upgrade but when i saw that apt removed 5 packages i canceled it :< | 12:58 |
| Drathir | vi__: apt keep log? | 13:00 |
| Drathir | maybe good to check what was updated? | 13:01 |
| _shadowx | Has any1 compiled lorcon && PyLorcon2 on/for n900 ? | 13:04 |
| kerio | dammit why do people keep breaking their n900 with apt | 13:04 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05 will never be convinced that it's safe, this way! :( | 13:04 |
| _shadowx | http://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/22739/ <- it will be nice to have this in your pocket. | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | destrs: apt-get update no way ever breaks anything on your device | 13:07 |
| kerio | ^_^ | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | upgrade and particularly dist-upgrade definitely does, though | 13:07 |
| kerio | oh :c | 13:08 |
| kerio | why did it always work for me then? | 13:08 |
| destrs | so what now ?:( | 13:08 |
| kerio | destrs: did you enable some repos recently? | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reflah | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reflash | 13:08 |
| kerio | nah | 13:08 |
| kerio | destrs: what audio-related programs and widgets do you have installed? | 13:08 |
| destrs | micro usb broken :( | 13:09 |
| kerio | oh lols | 13:09 |
| kerio | this is going to be fun | 13:09 |
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| destrs | kerio: only decoders-support | 13:11 |
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| kerio | destrs: can you make phone calls? | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get install --reinstall mp-maemo-fremantle-pr -- no warranty! and DO A BACKUP BY BM BEFORE YOU CONTINUE! | 13:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | discuss this with others here, don't trust in my suggestion blindly! | 13:13 |
| kerio | well, it will fuck things up if he has cssu installed :) | 13:14 |
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| kerio | perhaps it's better to reinstall just pulseaudio first | 13:14 |
| tadzik | hm, apparently someone wants ncdu in the repos :) | 13:15 |
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| tadzik | Is it much of a hassle to upload stuff to extras-devel or something? | 13:15 |
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| destrs | kerio: in phone calls sound and mic dont work too :( | 13:17 |
| kerio | tadzik: maemo.org is kinda broken, i'm afraid | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: you don't 'upload' random stuff to extras-devel or any other repo | 13:18 |
| kerio | destrs: do you remember what you upgraded? | 13:18 |
| destrs | kerio: i have maemo-testing installed | 13:18 |
| kerio | destrs: you mean cssu-testing? | 13:18 |
| kerio | i meant on the last upgrade | 13:18 |
| destrs | yep, cssu-testing | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you'd be a pretty 'good' police interrogator. | 13:19 |
| destrs | http://pastebin.com/cyREwQ6e < syslog | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | asking suggestive questions is sometimes not exactly helpful | 13:20 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is that a compliment? | 13:20 |
| kerio | oic | 13:20 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wtf is maemo-testing, then? | 13:20 |
| tadzik | DocScrutinizer05: well, I'd have to apply for access there first, surely | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in my book maemo-testing is a repo | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually called extras-testing | 13:21 |
| kerio | which repo? | 13:21 |
| kerio | oic | 13:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: afaik stuff moves to extras-devel via autobuilder, you upload the sources | 13:22 |
| tadzik | fair enuff | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: also afaik autobuilder is possibly out of order right now | 13:23 |
| tadzik | heh, problem solved then | 13:23 |
| RiD | destrs you too, broken microUSB? | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix | 13:27 |
| infobot | usbfix is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: another possible recovery path would be to get a BM backup of a 'virgin' system and restore that | 13:29 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: Highly risky. | 13:29 |
| vi__ | What if he does not have the appropriate kernel modules in the new backup? | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, you should make damn sure your kernel matches | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | md5sum /dev/mtd0 should tell | 13:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/home/user# md5sum /dev/mtd0 | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 0869a60ac6d1ed40b7ba523012676b18 /dev/mtd0 | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *might* not work with bad blocks, open to verification | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/home/user# uname -a | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Linux IroN900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux | 13:33 |
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| RiD | Iro? fancy name | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you've not seen my devel device yet: t900 | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (with glowing red eyes ;-D ) | 13:38 |
| jaska | ahnold | 13:38 |
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| RiD | Nokia Hal9000 | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I'd appreciate some half dozen users (with stock kernel) would do a md5sum /dev/mtd0ro and compare if they got same checksum, then report here | 13:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (comparing last 6 digits should suffice) | 13:41 |
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| vi__ | but that means every 2^19 kernel iterations could result in a collison. | 13:47 |
| vi__ | Those are not odds I am prepared to take. | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for a survey it's good enough | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | odds for users to fail due to other reasons are way higher | 13:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seems nobody is running a stock kernel here anymore? | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, you may contribute other md5sums alike. Would help as well | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | output of md5sum /dev/mtd0ro and output of uname -a, in one line | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (or 2 if you CBA to concatenate them) | 13:54 |
| vi__ | 2.6.28.10-cssu3 | 13:54 |
| vi__ | 0869a60ac6d1ed40b7ba523012676b18 /dev/mtd0 | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, you're using errr uBoot? | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even then | 13:55 |
| vi__ | No uboot here. | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so how T F you get same md5sum? | 13:55 |
| tadzik | 0869a60ac6d1ed40b7ba523012676b18, 2.6.28.10-cssu3 | 13:56 |
| vi__ | md5 hash collision? | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something flawed in my idea to md5sum the kernel? | 13:56 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I think so. | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but what? | 13:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | outch!! | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bootloader | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kernel is mtd3 | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, my bad | 13:57 |
| vi__ | 2.6.28.10-cssu3 | 13:57 |
| vi__ | de782385e4cef3c2acdebb1783cb0a3f /dev/mtd3 | 13:57 |
| vi__ | tadzik: should be the same as mine | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/home/user# md5sum /dev/mtd3ro | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1b61c083ceef929660383ebb7e96ebce /dev/mtd3ro | 13:57 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: So that confirms, we are all using the same bootloader. | 13:58 |
| vi__ | good. | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, rright | 13:58 |
| Pali | Now after two years of calculus they show us residue theorem... ARGH... | 13:58 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I am glad you though of eliminating that possibility. | 13:58 |
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| kerio | Pali: it's a neat theorem :3 | 13:58 |
| Pali | I'm angry, some problems which takes me 30-45 minutes, now are easy (5-10min) | 13:59 |
| kerio | i still haven't done a complex analysis course | 14:00 |
| Pali | try integrate 1/(very big polynom) :D | 14:01 |
| kerio | Pali: NOPE.jpg | 14:01 |
| Pali | from -infty to +infty | 14:02 |
| freemangordon | i loved integrals, whe I was in uni | 14:02 |
| kerio | freemangordon: *why* | 14:02 |
| freemangordon | but hated differential equations | 14:02 |
| freemangordon | kerio: NFC, but fr some reason I was solving the very easily | 14:03 |
| freemangordon | *for | 14:03 |
| kerio | freemangordon: you haven't generalized them enough, then | 14:03 |
| freemangordon | ? | 14:03 |
| freemangordon | sorry for the typos, for some reason remote desktop eats a couple of letters in every sentence :D | 14:04 |
| kerio | mtd0: 0869a60ac6d1ed40b7ba523012676b18 mtd1: 9a1d434dbd7197e7c3af8a7c28ca38b mtd3: 89217564b9b956bc96051c8eb9f609a3 mtd4: b23b5d09162b92c0284923a7f628d2a5 | 14:04 |
| kerio | whoops, something wrong there | 14:04 |
| kerio | and of course it's mtd2 | 14:04 |
| kerio | mtd2: 09a1d434dbd7197e7c3af8a7c28ca38b | 14:05 |
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| kerio | mtd3 is u-boot-2012.10-rc3-1+zImage-2.6.28.10-power52-prenov10 | 14:06 |
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| kerio | mtd2 and mtd4 are empty :D :D :D | 14:07 |
| vi__ | kerio: mtd4 is where I stash my pr0n. | 14:08 |
| vi__ | Typical bandwidth* usage for different codecs. | 14:08 |
| vi__ | G711 - 87.2kbps -This is the best quality codec. | 14:08 |
| vi__ | G729 - 31.2kbps -A compressed good quality codec. | 14:08 |
| vi__ | G723.1 - 21.9kbps -The codec best for satellite, (more compressed). | 14:08 |
| vi__ | G726 - 55.2kbps | 14:08 |
| vi__ | G728 - 31.5kbps | 14:08 |
| vi__ | oh shit. | 14:08 |
| vi__ | Sorry. | 14:08 |
| vi__ | wrong windown. | 14:08 |
| kerio | that's a paddlin0 | 14:08 |
| kerio | *paddlin' | 14:08 |
| kerio | vi__: my porn directory is 92GB after a big cleanup | 14:09 |
| kerio | so i doubt it would fit | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: you forgot ILBC | 14:09 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I was pasting to my notebook. | 14:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: we're for sure not interested in md5sum of mtd2 or mtd4 | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also mtd1 is useless | 14:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it wasn't mtd1, it was mtd2 | 14:12 |
| kerio | i don't want to give you guys the hash to my CAL | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got eyes to see what it was | 14:12 |
| kerio | you could reverse it and steal my lock code! | 14:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but i wrote that wrong, it was mtd2 | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq so now your whole spamming rendered completely worthless | 14:14 |
| kerio | apart for mtd3 | 14:14 |
| kerio | and it was one line | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I dunno what was mtd3 in your spam, if it been mtd2 instead, and where to find it in that mess | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | poor trolling today | 14:15 |
| kerio | ...what? | 14:15 |
| tadzik | vi__: yep, mtd3 is alike | 14:21 |
| vi__ | tadzik: we can be kernel buddies! | 14:34 |
| tadzik | hooray! | 14:34 |
| kerio | silly people without uboot | 14:35 |
| tadzik | after I accidentally my entire partition table I'm less adventurous and less eager to toy with nemo :) | 14:35 |
| kerio | tadzik: you didn't your entire partition table | 14:36 |
| kerio | you just made a new one in /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 14:36 |
| tadzik | yeah, I also fscked my MyDocs | 14:36 |
| tadzik | ah, true | 14:36 |
| tadzik | right, it was just p1 | 14:36 |
| gomiam | . | 14:44 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i discovered that without any gadget module loaded, you don't get the stupid popup when you connect the n900 to a pc | 14:49 |
| tadzik | oh, while we're at it. Is there a way to tell n900 "pc unmounted you, give me my MyDocs back"? | 14:49 |
| tadzik | other than unplugging the usb cable | 14:50 |
| kerio | tadzik: it should happen on eject | 14:50 |
| tadzik | hm, that's different than unmount, eh? Will try, thanks | 14:50 |
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| vi__ | tadzik: read osso-mmc-umout.sh | 14:54 |
| vi__ | tadzik: and osso-usb-mass-storage-disable.sh | 14:55 |
| vi__ | in /usr/bin | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: known fact. But yes, a useful measure sometimes | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: eject sometimes called "safely remove" | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: there's also `eject` cmdline binary | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on linux PC | 15:02 |
| kerio | diskutil eject as opposed to diskutil umount, on os x | 15:03 |
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| tadzik | yeah, I usually click the umount/eject button in KDE, turns out it doesn't always DWIM | 15:15 |
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| tadzik | vi__: thanks, I'll take a look | 15:16 |
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| Drathir | is any possibility to enable monit for password using root comans in console? | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: please rephrase | 15:25 |
| tadzik | no passwordless login, I guess | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 15:26 |
| infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hooray, wiki completely down now? | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh no, there it is | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just 'usually' slow | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see >># fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | # this will allow your N900 to ask for ROOT password on "root" | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | # and "sudo gainroot" as it's supposed to be | 15:30 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: yours devel device must looks amazing ^^ | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because of red gleaming eyes? ;-) | 15:32 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: btw Nokia-N900:~# md5sum /dev/mtd0 | 15:33 |
| Drathir | 0869a60ac6d1ed40b7ba523012676b18 /dev/mtd0 | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: sorry, we actually need mtd3 | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus uname -a | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WOOOHOOO wiki edit works again!! | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | X-Fade: thanks! | 15:36 |
| Drathir | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power51 #1 PREEMPT Mon Jul 23 16:41:15 EEST 2012 armv7l unknown | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err scratch that, doesn't store. Same like 5 days ago | 15:37 |
| Drathir | 8283eb01242352f4c87d246a172b1a80 /dev/mtd3 | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: thanks | 15:38 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, what's the need for md5summing kernel partitions? | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to make sure the kernel is what we expect it to be, to match kernel modules in rootfs | 15:39 |
| Hurrian | ah | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wanna make sure we get no false 'negatives' due to bad blocks in NAND | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui that shouldn't happen, but anyway | 15:40 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how much infrastructure would backupmenu need to run softupd+flasher? | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, pretty much a complete core system? | 15:41 |
| kerio | why? | 15:41 |
| kerio | :( | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | udev, upstart... | 15:41 |
| kerio | why does softupd need upstart? | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's controlled by upstart | 15:42 |
| kerio | nope, not softupd --standalone | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, nfc then | 15:42 |
| kerio | the one used by the -flasher packages | 15:42 |
| kerio | i think that the upstart one is for nokia suite updates | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll test and tell us ;-) | 15:43 |
| kerio | softupd needs libdbus-1.so.3 | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: maybe a lsof|grep softupd might give a first clue | 15:44 |
| kerio | i don't trust it >:c | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch dbus | 15:45 |
| kerio | yep | 15:45 |
| kerio | :s | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so even more than just a core system needed | 15:45 |
| kerio | heh | 15:45 |
| kerio | dbus is totally core system! | 15:45 |
| kerio | according to poettering, that is | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though, once lennart raided linux, dbus is a part of core system | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 15:46 |
| tadzik | hehe, I was on lennart's talk when he was in town. The organizers later forced him to go to Metallica concert | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 15:47 |
| kerio | haha, why? | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to torture him, I guess | 15:47 |
| kerio | also, couldn't you go to that concert and kick him in the head in the mosh pit? | 15:47 |
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| tadzik | they knew he's not a metalhead and felt a need to convert him | 15:47 |
| tadzik | I wasn't going to waste 100 PLN on Metallica show | 15:47 |
| tadzik | so I just stood outside the fence for free :> | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not on metallica | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on lennart | 15:48 |
| kerio | tadzik: but you could've saved linux! | 15:48 |
| kerio | yep | 15:48 |
| tadzik | locating him could've been tough. Unless I convinced the guy (Hetfield?) to ask "Where tf is the pulseaudio guy?!?" in the middle of the show, and everyone would point at him | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rotfl | 15:49 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks for link to site there is so many usseful things... | 15:53 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: yes with this eyes... | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for "useful things" | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | glad you like it | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I just ried to add >>Install rootsh from extras-devel repository! (you need to do this in HildonApplicationManager aka HAM)<< to that wikipage, but wiki is broken :-/ | 16:00 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why rootsh? :( | 16:01 |
| kerio | it enables awful behaviour | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why notß | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I deal with that awful behaviour later | 16:02 |
| Drathir | this rootsh also install with radio application... | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible | 16:03 |
| vi__ | I use apt. | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so radio application is braindamaged fubar | 16:03 |
| vi__ | deal with it. o-o | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: eh? | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ever tried to use apt in non-root account? | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: or do you suggest to enable R&D mode to get sudo fixed so you can sudo gainroot? | 16:05 |
| vi__ | no, I was just having fun. | 16:05 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: to be fair that's supposed to be the "legit" way | 16:06 |
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| kerio | an even cleaner one would be to install openssh and use its password setter, then login as root | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to be fair nobody gives a F* | 16:06 |
| kerio | why are you grumpier than the usual today? | 16:06 |
| kerio | still ill? | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flu | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sucks | 16:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry | 16:07 |
| kerio | get well soon! | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tnx | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, council meeting tonight | 16:08 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: you need polish "Aspirin C" pick up from cold nose in a day... | 16:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: if fremantle was properly designed, you couldn't install anything via HAM without giving device (==root) password. So no installing of security nightmare abominations like rootsh either. | 16:13 |
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| kerio | yeah but people do some awful crap with gainroot | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see [2012-11-16 15:03:22] <Drathir> this rootsh also install with radio application... | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | guess why | 16:15 |
| kerio | because they're morons? | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, devels that CBA to read about sudo | 16:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what the heck is so difficult about installing your own tailored-to-fit /etc/sudoers.d/radioapp file? | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this radioapp ought to get demoted on testing | 16:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: what's exact name of this radio app? | 16:20 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: qtradio or something like that | 16:25 |
| kerio | qradio, maybe | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll file a bug against it "doesn't work on my device" (since it won't, due to my root password patch) | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "lrn2sudo!!1!11!" | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hell, I probably could even fix it in 10 minutes, modulo building | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I could provide a patch | 16:28 |
| kerio | no you can't | 16:28 |
| kerio | you have the flu | 16:28 |
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| kerio | don't sniffle and code | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, might introduce a virus, BWAHAHAHA | 16:29 |
| kerio | HAHAHAHAHA | 16:30 |
| kerio | no ._. | 16:30 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: ok works now "root" ask for password but modify file by hand... | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, it's a simple edit | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/qradio/0.4.10/ depends ROOTSH bwahahaaahaaa | 16:34 |
| kerio | we already went through this | 16:34 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: if good remember its QRadio | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: yep. Thanks | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: we did? dang, seems my memory starts to drop things | 16:36 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: is option also to password to install app in file but works or not idk... | 16:37 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the only mention of root or gainroot is a fucking system("echo 'echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_focus/disable' | root"); in mainwindow.cpp | 16:37 |
| kerio | which is a WTF in and of itself | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, indeed dunno what it does there | 16:39 |
| kerio | there's also nothing that restores that flag | 16:39 |
| kerio | so there's that | 16:39 |
| kerio | also that package is one giant wtf | 16:39 |
| kerio | check in debian/ | 16:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s@system("echo 'echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_focus/disable' | root");@system("sudo echo 0>/sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_focus/disable");@ | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see, I did it. Delivered patch | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | despite flu | 16:42 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: i little scare about install this radio with that dependencies but better app i dont see... btw thats the first app needed rootsh with all installed - strange... | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in less than 10 min | 16:42 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you suck | 16:42 |
| kerio | this is why you don't code with the flu! | 16:43 |
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| kerio | system() calls your shell to execute the char* you pass to it | 16:43 |
| kerio | the result is that your login shell gets passed "-c" "sudo echo 0 > /sys/whatever" | 16:43 |
| kerio | which is parsed as "sudo echo 0" while redirecting the output to /sys/whatever by any reasonable shell | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | grrrr | 16:44 |
| kerio | and of course, "sudo echo 0" will echo the most powerful 0 you can get on a unix system, but still doesn't help with the writing of that zero | 16:44 |
| kerio | s@system("echo 'echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_focus/disable' | root");@@ | 16:45 |
| kerio | done | 16:45 |
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| kerio | because why the fuck would you want to switch stations on cam focus anyway | 16:45 |
| kerio | that's for entering the tasknav | 16:45 |
| vi__ | kerio: who knows why. | 16:46 |
| vi__ | tklock sets camfocus enable to 0 | 16:46 |
| vi__ | camfocus disable | 16:46 |
| vi__ | whatever. | 16:46 |
| kerio | camfocus is really easy to press by accident | 16:47 |
| vi__ | tklock makes it so you cannot use the camfocus button while device is locked. | 16:47 |
| kerio | if your n900 is in a pocket or something | 16:47 |
| kerio | vi__: for good reasons | 16:47 |
| vi__ | kerio: not really. | 16:47 |
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| Drathir | maybe is stupid question but not easier to do with ctrl+R ? | 16:48 |
| vi__ | During startup I set it to enable then chmod 444 the /sys/ entry so I can have camera focus button to skip track. | 16:48 |
| vi__ | When device is locked and in my pocket. | 16:48 |
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| vi__ | I think I can only recall 1 occasion where I have accidentally skipped a track with my pocket. | 16:48 |
| kerio | vi__: you're a freak | 16:48 |
| kerio | you're evil | 16:48 |
| kerio | NO | 16:48 |
| kerio | BAD VI | 16:48 |
| vi__ | kerio: For disabling camera buton focus disabling? | 16:49 |
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| kerio | vi__: and for using it for anything except tasknav | 16:49 |
| vi__ | short press == tasknav | 16:49 |
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| vi__ | long press == skip track. | 16:49 |
| vi__ | no camera focus tasknav would be like having a lobotomy. | 16:50 |
| kerio | just use the buttons on the headset | 16:50 |
| vi__ | kerio: N900 only supports 1 button headset. | 16:50 |
| kerio | A2DP or bust | 16:50 |
| vi__ | kerio: Yeah, how many mA does maintaining a BT connection take? | 16:50 |
| vi__ | How often do I have to charge myt headset. | 16:51 |
| kerio | vi__: loads of buttons, though | 16:51 |
| Drathir | vi__: if good remember i look in repo something to enable headset buttons | 16:52 |
| kerio | Drathir: nah, it's only one at most | 16:52 |
| Drathir | anyone using advanced power battery? i think about its deamon not use extra battery power? | 16:57 |
| vi__ | Drathir: I would think so. | 16:59 |
| vi__ | Drathir: Pali is cooking a replacement that is better, just need to wait till he is finished. | 16:59 |
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| Drathir | vi__: nice i will waiting... | 17:01 |
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| Drathir | "braek" is nice app... | 17:10 |
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| Drathir | should be in security/anty-thieft group ^^ | 17:12 |
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| tadzik | but sudo echo 0 will work with a root password set | 17:19 |
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| tadzik | em, I'm quite late with that :) | 17:19 |
| tadzik | nvm | 17:19 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: i have seen somestrange behaviours i have set manual wifi connection dns but resolv dont catch it but have own 127.0.0.1 and ::1 its normal? | 17:25 |
| Drathir | manual ip addres works use that i set inside wifi advanced options... | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: yes, fremantle is using dnsmasq | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so etc/resolv.conf has to point to localhost aka 127.0.0.1 | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: real config is in /var/run/resolv* | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | man dnsmasq | 17:38 |
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| Chiku|dc | Ìû | 18:05 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks i look there... | 18:21 |
| Lava_Croft | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9UWCQi5rmfM | 18:22 |
| Lava_Croft | That's a pretty neato hack | 18:22 |
| Lava_Croft | completely unrelated to Maemo of course | 18:22 |
| Lava_Croft | I have to live up to myself | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | Lava_Croft: hmm, neat indeed | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG | There was an app like that on iOS | 18:30 |
| MohammadAG | (Obviously not based on heart beat, but rather how your leg moves) | 18:30 |
| Lava_Croft | It would be a good way to try and force people at the gym to keep a certain pase | 18:30 |
| Lava_Croft | pace* | 18:30 |
| MohammadAG | Yeah | 18:30 |
| MohammadAG | Or they could put on some classical music | 18:31 |
| Lava_Croft | i do not associate gyms with fine music | 18:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | you can actually lose the Bluetooth watch and hrm. | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.gradiant.org/en/news/news/577-estimacion-de-pulso-utilizando-una-webcam.html | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: hi! | 18:51 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: you write somthing app that show use cpu i maybe rember name of app ? | 18:54 |
| Drathir | something about* | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cpu load applet iirc | 19:05 |
| kerio | cpumem-applet | 19:05 |
| kerio | there's also a different package with the cpu applet and the screenshot/screen record thing in the status area | 19:06 |
| kerio | which is fairly useless | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, anyway that 'useless' applet is what I got and what works nice and does NOT hog cpu itself | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though... | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, actually both screenshot and screencast are still there in system menu | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on my device | 19:08 |
| kerio | cpumem-applet is just the status area monitor | 19:09 |
| kerio | it's the same code | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | load-applet - Show CPU and memory usage, take screenshots, record screencasts. | 19:09 |
| Lava_Croft | cpumem-applet is better | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache search cpu doesn't yield cpumem-applet here | 19:10 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks i check | 19:10 |
| Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/cpumem-applet/ | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks anyway | 19:12 |
| kerio | it's in every extras repo | 19:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so why doesn't it show up in apt-cache search? | 19:13 |
| vi___ | ~seen vi_ | 19:13 |
| infobot | vi_ is currently on #maemo (2d 4h 6m 38s). Has said a total of 143 messages. Is idling for 1d 22h 43m 56s, last said: 'PPPPIIIINNNNGGGUUUUU!'. | 19:13 |
| vi___ | ~seen vi__ | 19:13 |
| infobot | vi__ is currently on #maemo (1d 6h 35m 32s) #maemo-ssu (1d 6h 35m 32s). Has said a total of 305 messages. Is idling for 2h 13m 22s, last said: 'Drathir: Pali is cooking a replacement that is better, just need to wait till he is finished.'. | 19:13 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: shows up here | 19:13 |
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| Lava_Croft | shows up fine here | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, here not | 19:13 |
| Lava_Croft | wfm, your stuff is broken | 19:14 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: are you sure you have an extras repo enabled? | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so unless it's in a repo I haven't enabled, I dunno | 19:14 |
| Lava_Croft | its the first result that shows up when searching for 'cpu' | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: >:-( | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/cpumem-applet/ >:-(( | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "it's in **every** extras repo" | 19:16 |
| kerio | are you on diablo? | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, indeed there's extras too | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, nfc why apt-cache search cpu doesn't show it | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sth fecked up my cache, update fixed it | 19:20 |
| kerio | :3 | 19:20 |
| kerio | i bet it was ham | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't bet against that | 19:20 |
| kerio | anyway, i strongly suggest moving /var/lib/apt, /var/lib/dpkg and /var/cache/apt to /opt | 19:20 |
| kerio | symlinking them works fine | 19:20 |
| kerio | (it's unrelated to your problem) | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | something messed up repo cache | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what, maybe apt-worker got killed or sth | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: lrn2ghost | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh! [Notice] -NickServ- vi___ is not registered. | 19:26 |
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| vi___ | I have just dpkg -i the kernel-cssu.deb form freemangordon on merlin's repo. | 19:34 |
| vi___ | I mean dpkg -x | 19:34 |
| vi___ | it contains a file called: | 19:35 |
| vi___ | /media/05e83d41-53d3-4ffc-bf63-c18831611532/code/maemo/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin | 19:35 |
| vi___ | zImage-2.6.28.10-cssu3.fiasco | 19:35 |
| vi___ | ^that one | 19:35 |
| vi___ | zimage... | 19:35 |
| vi___ | is that a regular zimage? | 19:35 |
| vi___ | it says fiasco at the end? | 19:35 |
| vi___ | Is it a strait up, down the line regular starit shooting zimage? | 19:36 |
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| freemangordon | vi_: afaik it is fiasko image | 19:39 |
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| freemangordon | vi_: but I think you can extract zImage | 19:41 |
| freemangordon | with flasher | 19:42 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: aah, I understand | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | BTW..., I think I found what else besides alarmUI leaks in systemui | 19:44 |
| freemangordon | double-click power button to lock | 19:44 |
| freemangordon | and slide-to-unlock | 19:44 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: I have created my own ideal 'ready to flash' images with 0 bloat and all the basic tweakz allready done. I am foing to make it a flashable image. | 19:44 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: HAH! | 19:44 |
| vi___ | I told you! | 19:44 |
| freemangordon | still not sure though, it might be power key menu as well | 19:44 |
| vi___ | tklock thing is an epic bullshit. | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | it is not tklock, but another plugin | 19:45 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: welldone! | 19:45 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: You are like some kind of programming jedi. | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | though I would like if someone can confirm it, as it might be specific to my device | 19:45 |
| vi___ | what do you need done? | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | check systemui heap size | 19:45 |
| vi___ | I have a spare device with cssu-thumb on it, but it could be flashed to stock in a few minutes. | 19:46 |
| freemangordon | play with power button, swipe-to-unlock and such | 19:46 |
| freemangordon | vi_: no need for stock | 19:46 |
| freemangordon | thumb does not touch systemui daemon | 19:46 |
| * freemangordon is going afk, bbl | 19:47 | |
| vi___ | freemangordon: but what must I do??? | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | check heap | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | in /proc/'pidof systemui'/smaps | 19:48 |
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| vi___ | the entry labled size? | 19:53 |
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| vi___ | 00017000-001d8000 rw-p 00017000 00:00 0 [heap] | 19:55 |
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| vi___ | freemangordon: http://cxg.de/_767016.htm | 20:00 |
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| vi___ | MohammadAG: Hey. Where can I find information on how to generate my own jff2 nand image? | 20:14 |
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| MohammadAG | vi___: ping Stskeeps | 20:14 |
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| MohammadAG | He has a page on mer about it | 20:14 |
| vi___ | MohammadAG: thank you. | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | You're welcome, if i had the link i would've given it to you | 20:15 |
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| vi___ | MohammadAG: http://mer-project.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/making-flashable-rootfss-for-n900.html | 20:18 |
| vi___ | Thanks for the tip! | 20:18 |
| freemangordon | vi__: The requested URL /_767016.htm was not found on this server. | 20:19 |
| qwazix | vi___, relevant info http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40619 (see post #7) | 20:19 |
| qwazix | (and #8) | 20:20 |
| kerio | vi___: it's not jffs2, it's ubifs | 20:21 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: can you kick vi__ | 20:26 |
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| vi___ | cheers mate! | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 20:27 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: let me try again | 20:27 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: http://pastebin.com/BerSNxNC | 20:30 |
| vi___ | cxg.de must be broken right now :/ | 20:30 |
| vi___ | qwazix: ty | 20:30 |
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| qwazix | vi___, yw | 20:34 |
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| vi___ | MentalistTraceur: ! | 20:43 |
| MentalistTraceur | vi___ ! | 20:43 |
| vi___ | I did know you were partial to an IRC. | 20:43 |
| vi___ | oh, of course. Council meeting. | 20:43 |
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| kerio | NIN102: why doesn't rescueOS ship wifi drivers? | 20:45 |
| MentalistTraceur | I DO sometimes get on IRC of my own volition, vi___, just not too often do I find the time. | 20:45 |
| NIN102 | you mean firmware | 20:46 |
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| NIN102 | because I wasn't sure about the licence issues so decided rather not to get shot by nokia + it adds bloat. | 20:46 |
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| MentalistTraceur | vi___ : to clarify my last point, the last time I got on #maemo was in the summer of this year. | 20:48 |
| MentalistTraceur | So, it happens... occasionally. | 20:48 |
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| freemangordon | vi___: do the values change if you lock by double-click? | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | double-press that is | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | esp this: | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | Size: 1796 kB | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | Rss: 1796 kB | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | for [heap] is that | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | and if you unlock by pressing the power button and swiping? | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | hmm, what the corect way to write that? swyping? | 20:55 |
| vi___ | swiping. | 20:58 |
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| freemangordon | I guess swype is Nokia (tm). Correct? | 20:59 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: That paste was AFTER I had swiped and un/lock a couple of times. | 20:59 |
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| freemangordon | vi___: the point is - does that change | 20:59 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: swype is a brand that makes vkb. | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | what was the initial value? | 21:00 |
| vi___ | aaah | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | aah, yes | 21:00 |
| vi___ | I under stand | 21:00 |
| vi___ | 1 sec | 21:00 |
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| vi___ | size and Rss of what? | 21:01 |
| freemangordon | [heap] | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | BTW reinob posted a neat script on TMO, going to try it | 21:02 |
| vi___ | it grows around 48kB every couple of un/locks with swipe. | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | yeah :( | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | the fuck | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | wel,, lets find someone with stock PR1.3 to confirm | 21:05 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ping | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, busy | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | l8r | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | vi___: can you confirm it leaks on unlock, and not on lock? | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: NP | 21:06 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: 1 sec | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | unfortunately reinob's script need bb-power | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | *needs | 21:06 |
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| vi___ | freemangordon: It grows on the unlock. | 21:07 |
| freemangordon | ok | 21:07 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: what does reinob script do? | 21:07 |
| vi___ | ls | 21:07 |
| freemangordon | vi___: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1295012&postcount=58 | 21:08 |
| freemangordon | hmm, is that libsystemuiplugin_tklock.so? the one with swipe button? | 21:09 |
| freemangordon | yeah, seems like that. and there is no x86 binary :( | 21:12 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: I do not think there is anyone on the face of the earth who gives a shit about that swaipe to unlock screen. | 21:13 |
| freemangordon | besides me, that is how I unlock my devie | 21:13 |
| vi___ | perhaps eliminating it would be easier than fixing it? | 21:13 |
| freemangordon | *device :) | 21:13 |
| kerio | how do we eliminate it? | 21:13 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: wow, ok. | 21:13 |
| vi___ | kerio: I wish I knew. | 21:13 |
| vi___ | kerio: It smacks of corporate bullshit. | 21:14 |
| freemangordon | vi___: I am trying to keep my side slide intack ;) | 21:14 |
| freemangordon | *intact | 21:14 |
| kerio | vi___: to be fair, we're spoiled | 21:14 |
| vi___ | Some dumbass executive said 'hey guize, we need swipe to unlock, it is what all the cool kids are using these days!'. | 21:14 |
| freemangordon | another typo day :( | 21:14 |
| kerio | the otterbox protects a lot against accidental pwrbtn presses | 21:14 |
| freemangordon | I don;t use one | 21:14 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: You cant even buy one. | 21:15 |
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| freemangordon | I am even not interested :) | 21:15 |
| freemangordon | if I can by or not that is | 21:15 |
| vi___ | You should be, they rule. | 21:15 |
| freemangordon | naah, I hate those | 21:15 |
| vi___ | cd custom_rootfs | 21:15 |
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| vi___ | kerio: flashable custom rootfs image: ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED | 21:25 |
| kerio | :D | 21:26 |
| vi___ | level 2, HARD MODE: custom flashable eMMC image. | 21:26 |
| vi___ | kerio: My root image even contains the appropriate kernel. | 21:27 |
| kerio | neat | 21:28 |
| kerio | vi___: why bother, though | 21:28 |
| kerio | ? | 21:28 |
| vi___ | kerio: So when I need to reflash 1 of my legion of n900s all the basic install/configuration is done. | 21:28 |
| kerio | how have you made the rootfs? | 21:28 |
| vi___ | reflash? BAM, STRAIT TO THUMB. | 21:29 |
| kerio | because the vast majority of the system is in /opt | 21:29 |
| vi___ | kerio: That is why I need to make a partner eMMC image as well. | 21:29 |
| vi___ | It contains flash 10, all my tweaks warez etc. | 21:30 |
| vi___ | Also, it turns out the magic ingredient in making SIP not suck balls is to limit the codecs it can use. | 21:30 |
| freemangordon | LMAO. Now, there is a scientific explanation of all this shit | 21:33 |
| freemangordon | Maintainer: Maria Starodubtseva <ext-maria.starodubtseva@nokia.com> | 21:33 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: ...yes? | 21:33 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: kerio Lava_Croft thanka also testing thats one... | 21:33 |
| freemangordon | vi___: maintainer of osso-systemui-tklock | 21:34 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: It was a woman? | 21:34 |
| freemangordon | well, I suspect she still is :P | 21:34 |
| freemangordon | but yeah | 21:34 |
| freemangordon | lemme check alarmui | 21:34 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: heh. | 21:34 |
| vi___ | You should email her. | 21:34 |
| freemangordon | Package: osso-systemui-alarm | 21:34 |
| freemangordon | Maintainer: Philippe De Swert <philippe.de-swert@nokia.com> | 21:34 |
| freemangordon | vi___: I'll prefer is somenone with better english do that | 21:35 |
| freemangordon | but yes, someone should mail her | 21:35 |
| freemangordon | i'll ask on TMO | 21:36 |
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| vi___ | maybe you could shame her into leaking secretly leaking a bunch of source cods | 21:36 |
| vi___ | ^code | 21:36 |
| freemangordon | :D | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | I doubt email is still valid | 21:38 |
| kerio | i'm more concerned about the ext- rather than the gender of the developer | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 21:40 |
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| freemangordon | some outsorced stuff | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | *outsourced | 21:40 |
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| vi___ | Woody14619: o/ | 21:41 |
| freemangordon | kerio: if that is the case, I don't balieve we'll get any help | 21:42 |
| Woody14619 | hi, vi___ . :) In maemo-meeting right now. | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | *believe | 21:42 |
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| Drathir | vi___: its really strange when dev is a women? | 21:57 |
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| vi___ | Drathir: well, yes actually. | 22:06 |
| vi___ | I know of 0 femaile programmers. | 22:06 |
| vi___ | I know of 0 female programmers. | 22:06 |
| Drathir | i dont thinked that is really very small amount of women... | 22:06 |
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| Drathir | anybody try downscaling the cpu stepping to improve battery live? or this is bad idea because will no visable changes... | 22:08 |
| Drathir | life* | 22:08 |
| Sysaxed | Drathir, is your battery life that bad? | 22:09 |
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| kerio | Drathir: when the cpu is idle, it's effectively at 0MHz | 22:09 |
| kerio | there's a scaler, at least | 22:09 |
| kerio | and the biggest power draw is the screen | 22:10 |
| joga | Drathir I restricted the maximum scaling once to keep the laptop quiet | 22:10 |
| kerio | or possibly a 3G data transfer | 22:10 |
| Sysaxed | kerio, is there any way to see which applications cause the cpu to wake up? | 22:10 |
| kerio | Sysaxed: powertop | 22:10 |
| joga | (forced at 600MHz it was silent) | 22:10 |
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| Sysaxed | wow, that was a quick answer.. | 22:10 |
| joga | oh, heh sorry didn't notice this was #maemo :) | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | Drathir: slowing down cpu makes battery life worse on n900 | 22:17 |
| kerio | Drathir: it's called race to idle | 22:18 |
| kerio | compute as fast as you can and then drop to 0 | 22:19 |
| Woody14619 | To be fair, race-to-idle has people arguing on both sides... some say it helps, some that it doesn't. :) | 22:19 |
| Woody14619 | I think it does on the N900, but only very marginally... | 22:20 |
| Woody14619 | And that can be usage pattern dependant... | 22:20 |
| Sysaxed | yep | 22:21 |
| Sysaxed | it should be worse if there's a lot of user activity | 22:21 |
| Sysaxed | and should be better if user rarely uses the phone | 22:22 |
| freemangordon | vi__: did some measurement some time ago | 22:22 |
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| freemangordon | it turned out (according to ^^^) anything beyond 600 (iirc) makes battery life worse | 22:22 |
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| freemangordon | vi__: do you still keep that graphic? | 22:23 |
| freemangordon | s/graphic/graph | 22:24 |
| * Woody14619 nods. The tests confirmed what Titan found before him... 500-600Mhz you get the most CPU per unit of power. | 22:24 | |
| freemangordon | the same TI state in docs | 22:25 |
| freemangordon | 500 is the sweet spot | 22:25 |
| Woody14619 | But as Titan's graphs all vanished not too long after he did.... | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hooray for keeping stuff at external private servers :-) | 22:25 |
| Woody14619 | Yup. It's pretty flat from 500-600. | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (I know I know, I'm doing that as well) | 22:26 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 22:26 |
| Woody14619 | Actually, they were on TMO, but TMO archives after a set time, and attachements get lost. | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq | 22:26 |
| Woody14619 | Discussion stays around forever... attachements do not. | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's... pretty BAD | 22:27 |
| Woody14619 | Yup. | 22:27 |
| Woody14619 | Thus the push to get all those script-kiddies posting debs to their threads to move to repos. | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so we should do backup of files more frequently | 22:27 |
| Woody14619 | .oO(Execept for one or two... ending in "patch") | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pics too? embedded ones? | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw say hello to MentalistTraceur :-D | 22:30 |
| MentalistTraceur | Heh. Greetings all. | 22:32 |
| Woody14619 | AFAIK: yes. But don't know for sure. | 22:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | :-) | 22:45 |
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| RiD | hello wild members | 23:01 |
| freemangordon | GTK anyone? | 23:01 |
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| Drathir | jacekowski: kerio that have a right i dont think about scalling in that side... | 23:06 |
| kerio | Drathir: https://lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/ | 23:07 |
| RiD | he unly grunts | 23:07 |
| kerio | Drathir: and https://lesswatts.org/ in general | 23:07 |
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| RiD | boys... | 23:11 |
| RiD | how ruined is this? http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8513/dsc00846lv.jpg | 23:11 |
| RiD | is it just putting a microusb thing on there and connect to these 5 little things? | 23:12 |
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| ShadowJK | looks usable | 23:16 |
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| ShadowJK | Those 5 little things yeah, the others are for keeping it in place, I'd think. One of those look a bit damaged | 23:16 |
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| RiD | whaa :< | 23:21 |
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| RiD | one of these 5 things look a bit damaged? | 23:21 |
| RiD | or you mean the stuff to hold them? | 23:22 |
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| RiD | the bottom right one? | 23:22 |
| Drathir | kerio: good site thanks... | 23:22 |
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| RiD | why nokia why didn't you do this http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7059/dsc00861un.jpg | 23:22 |
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| ShadowJK | The bottom right one yeah | 23:23 |
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| ShadowJK | RiD, that looks like similar design actually, unless that extra cage is throughhole :) | 23:23 |
| ShadowJK | hm.. in your original photo, are there short stubs of the original 5 pins left in the solder? :) | 23:24 |
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| RiD | you mean, little "pointy" things? (forgive my english, it is quite bad in mechanical terms) | 23:24 |
| RiD | well, on the pic it looks like so. I'll look it up | 23:25 |
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| ShadowJK | Yeah it looks like pointy things sticking out from the 5 small pads | 23:25 |
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| kolp_ | freemangordon: Got device with PR1.1 or 1.2 here | 23:26 |
| kolp_ | freemangordon: and tklock leaks even more :) | 23:26 |
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| RiD | well, i can't really tell with my eyes lol | 23:27 |
| RiD | Also, the other one is indeed throughhole | 23:27 |
| RiD | 4 things supporting that extra cage | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 23:27 |
| RiD | it's a cheap ass (terribly slow) LG phone | 23:28 |
| RiD | now, what would those little pointy things mean? would that affect anything? | 23:28 |
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| freemangordon | kolp: aah, they fixed it in newer firmwares? :D:D:D | 23:28 |
| kolp | freemangordon: 'fixed' it ;) | 23:28 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | RiD, well I just thought it looked interesting that the solder didn't fail there, but the pins themselves broke | 23:29 |
| kolp | freemangordon: Sometimes around 120kB Size & Rss EACH | 23:30 |
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| kolp | haven't found a real pattern yet | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | LOL | 23:30 |
| RiD | now, i'm not seeing how my father is going to connect those extremely tiny dots |: | 23:31 |
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| Drathir | kerio: maybe you hear about 3k mAh batteries to n900? ? | 23:33 |
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| kerio | Drathir: you need a special backcover | 23:34 |
| kerio | the backcover for the MUGEN battery | 23:34 |
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| kerio | which is thick enough to be able to fit two normal BL-5Js taped together | 23:34 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | i was considering buying one of those | 23:34 |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | but I suppose they wouldn't work with my external charger | 23:35 |
| kerio | at that point, use two 1500mAh batteries | 23:35 |
| kerio | and you've got your 3Ah battery | 23:35 |
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| FIQ|n900 | kerio: i already do :) | 23:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | would be neat with more power in just one battery though | 23:35 |
| kerio | FIQ|n900: the best ever made so far is the akku polarcell, 1520mAh | 23:36 |
| RiD | 3040mAh | 23:36 |
| kerio | RiD: with two of those, yes | 23:36 |
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| RiD | why not have 3 batteries? | 23:36 |
| kerio | RiD: because two batteries actually fit, with the mugen backcover | 23:36 |
| kerio | three, not so much | 23:36 |
| RiD | Make it even thicker, haha | 23:37 |
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| ShadowJK | RiD, does he have experience with SMT soldering | 23:37 |
| kerio | vi___: what was your idea? bl-5j and bp-4l? | 23:37 |
| RiD | i think so, but it's been a while and his eyes aren't the same | 23:37 |
| RiD | + that thing is so small i really can't imagine it being possible O_o | 23:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | fit two batteries at the same time??? | 23:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | now how would that even work | 23:38 |
| ShadowJK | RiD, well with a hot air soldering station it'd probably be easy? | 23:38 |
| kerio | FIQ|n900: mugen xl backcover, a tiny bit of soldering and a bit of tape | 23:38 |
| RiD | Yeah. That's way easier :D just put a huge dot on top of it and wait for things to burn | 23:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | backcover feels like the least problem right now.. | 23:39 |
| RiD | then have a not working N900. | 23:39 |
| RiD | unfortunately that's what he's mostly used to work with. | 23:39 |
| FIQ|n900 | how do you just attach the two batteries to the power uh | 23:39 |
| kerio | FIQ|n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 | 23:39 |
| FIQ|n900 | "connection"? | 23:39 |
| kerio | FIQ|n900: make them just one battery | 23:39 |
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| vi___ | kerio: Yeah. | 23:53 |
| vi___ | bp-4lcomes from nokia@1650mAh. | 23:53 |
| kerio | vi___: what's the biggest bp-4l you can get? | 23:53 |
| vi___ | Comes from mugen power@1800mAh. | 23:53 |
| kerio | neat | 23:54 |
| vi___ | There are rumours of a 1900mAh. | 23:54 |
| kerio | so polarcell bl-5j and mugen bp-4l would give you 3300mAh | 23:54 |
| vi___ | The BP-4l is the biggest battery you can fit in a mugen cover. | 23:54 |
| kerio | ...neat | 23:54 |
| vi___ | kerio: More or less. | 23:54 |
| vi___ | Buy a mugen cover while you still can. | 23:54 |
| vi___ | They only cost $15 | 23:55 |
| vi___ | Il wager there is room for a laptop wifi patch antenna inside the cover as well... | 23:55 |
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