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| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@halebop:~/n900> man kmod | 00:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | No manual entry for kmod | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Linux halebop 3.1.10-1.16-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jun 27 05:21:40 UTC 2012 (d016078) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | googling kmod, reading about it, running into "Lennart Poettering" | 00:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds to me like more cruft sacrificing 100s of kB to spped up boot by 1s | 00:24 |
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| Skry | skry@Arch ~ $ kmod -V;uname -a | 00:29 |
| Skry | kmod version 10 | 00:29 |
| Skry | Linux Arch 3.6.3-2-ck #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Oct 22 16:37:03 EDT 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 00:29 |
| Skry | you can't escape lennart | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | may there are other things I can do (to him) | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I may dream, may I? | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe* | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2^^ | 00:33 |
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| Skry | yes, you are (still) allowed to do that | 00:33 |
| Skry | no idea though how he relates to kmod | 00:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 forks a kernel that does a grep for lennart and poettering in each and every file opened, and returns -EIO if grep matches | 00:34 | |
| Skry | :D | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kmod devels apporached him to implement kmod into systemd | 00:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll approach him to implement dbus, CORBA, and IP stack into systemd | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and wayland, for showing the help pages on systemd --help | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and, hell, maybe this now is THE opportunity to get rid of PA: integrate it into systemd | 00:36 |
| merlin1991 | it's bad enough udev is there | 00:37 |
| Skry | mm, well, you don't have to have systemd to use kmod, and, well, kmod is on kernel.org so we use it :) | 00:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so I hope you can figure all my rant I don't dare to post anymore | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8 | 00:38 |
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| Skry | yeah, I know how you feel about this, don't take too seriously ;) | 00:39 |
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| Skry | mm, something happening? | 00:40 |
| Skry | checks | 00:40 |
| merlin1991 | that's what I'm about to find out :D | 00:40 |
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| merlin1991 | hm there's http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1292072#post1292072 though no idea if it's bad yet | 00:41 |
| Skry | ahh, docs headache was council related, so maybe he can still learn to embrace and love lennart and his creations ;> | 00:43 |
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| Sysaxed | volume keys are so weird... their meaning depends on the phone position... | 00:55 |
| Sysaxed | even if the screen is locked | 00:55 |
| Sysaxed | so it's more like random to me | 00:55 |
| Sysaxed | how can I remember which orientation I had when I locked the screen?... | 00:56 |
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| Sysaxed | damn Nokia, how come they thought it's a good idea to switch keys depending on orientation? | 00:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, isn't that switching done inside the volume-adjuster apps? | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't left button always Ft and right button F8 or sth? | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/Ft/F7/ | 01:44 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: isn't left button always F7 and right button F8 or sth? | 01:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, you rproblem probably is on DBus where those events show up as vol+ and vol- | 01:45 |
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| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, yes, the only problem is the volume switcher | 01:47 |
| Sysaxed | that's what bothers me | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | xchat for example _always_ scrolls down the chan tab list with right vol switch, and up with left vol switch (unless you redefine the key mapping in xcaht settings) | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter which orientation the device is in | 02:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so if you got problems with the meaning of volume keys regarding volume-up/down, your design probably is flawed in that regard | 02:14 |
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| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, I'm talking about built in volume control | 02:51 |
| Sysaxed | not my software | 02:51 |
| Sysaxed | especially when I'm receiving a call... that's awesome... "damn, it's too quite, I should make it louder a bit..." then you press the volume button and it gets muted | 02:52 |
| Sysaxed | and you're wondering why the person you're talking with is not speaking | 02:53 |
| Sysaxed | lol | 02:53 |
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| Skry | cannot say that I've had similar issues on volume keys, and I know the keys get reported to X as they are and should be (-> app level issue), BUT the step from mute to lowes volume is gigantic, and when lowering call volume I still after all these years accidently mute the audio. | 03:10 |
| Skry | lowest | 03:10 |
| Skry | offtopic of tonight, interesting read for linux/foss minded among us, regarding the madness at gnome, gtk and ubuntu camps: http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/ | 03:13 |
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| Skry | though mixing kde into that mess is just attention seeking and/or picking a fight, and I heard that some of the people mentioned as devs are not actually in that big position, but nevertheless, interesting | 03:18 |
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| robbiethe1st | I'm in favor of QT and KDE | 03:21 |
| robbiethe1st | Seems logical, useful, generally performant, and quite customizable. | 03:22 |
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| robbiethe1st | See, if I wanted a 'brand' user experience, I'd go with Apple. The whole reason I'm on Linux is because I can make it do what /I/ want, and not what the developers envisioned. | 03:22 |
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| Skry | QT and KDE in here too. And unlike popular belief, kde performs really well when setup correctly and stripped of crud, which is important to me. And I'll agree your point on brands completely. | 03:24 |
| Sysaxed | Skry, as far as I can see if you accept a call in landscape mode, then volume up is a key that is closer to the center | 03:24 |
| Sysaxed | and it's mirrored if you accept a call in portrait mode | 03:24 |
| Skry | Sysaxed: yeah, might be as you say, never noticed though. But, like said, it's an application issue really, there are no magical accelerometer modifier for keymap etc so you can't blame the poor keys :) | 03:27 |
| Sysaxed | yep, I understand | 03:27 |
| Sysaxed | and it's closed source, right? | 03:28 |
| Sysaxed | so I have to live with it ? :\ | 03:28 |
| Skry | I understand that you understand but for some reason I had to start picking on the words. I usually don't do that, it's irritating, sorry :) No idea about the closedness, wouldn't surprise me if it were. | 03:29 |
| Sysaxed | btw, I've found an awesome way to lock/unlock screen :D | 03:32 |
| Sysaxed | more about it tomorrow | 03:33 |
| Sysaxed | now I have to sleep | 03:33 |
| Sysaxed | bye | 03:33 |
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| Skry | anyways, I never quite understood why so many think so high about gtk. It's always been unintuitive to theme, theme engines are mostly crap, file requesters and such are imo clumsy and fugly etc. It's better than nothing though, and can be visually appealing and fast with good engine and theme (if you can find such), but still.. | 03:44 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: Apple seeks cooling fan patent for iPhone, iPad | 05:05 |
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| Luke-Jr | RST38h: wtf, fan in a phone? | 06:34 |
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| vi_ | yo | 10:43 |
| vi_ | are there any bl-5j chargers that will not explode in my face? | 10:43 |
| freemangordon | the lady with broken USB port bought a cheapo chinese one, so far she said it is ok | 10:44 |
| freemangordon | "universal charger" or something | 10:44 |
| vi_ | I am utterly terrrified of chinese chargers. | 10:44 |
| vi_ | At least 3 times I have seen a 5v transformer with a zener diode over the output. | 10:45 |
| freemangordon | yeah, that one looks terrifying, but strangely it works | 10:45 |
| freemangordon | naah, that one has 3 LEDS :D:D:D | 10:45 |
| vi_ | lol | 10:45 |
| vi_ | I bid buy from ebay 15x20mm pre-populated PCBs. | 10:46 |
| vi_ | they have a li-0ion charge controller and a usb socket on them. | 10:46 |
| vi_ | At one end and two pads for soldering the wires of the li-ion cell to the other. | 10:47 |
| vi_ | Quite neat, usb li-ion charging on anything! | 10:47 |
| vi_ | cost like 2euro each. | 10:47 |
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| freemangordon | that one: | 10:49 |
| freemangordon | http://www.google.bg/imgres?imgurl=http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Rom8-Z_zd0o/TeCwEokQMvI/AAAAAAAACJA/FxK7PeL8FbU/s640/Universal%2BBattery%2BCharger.jpg&imgrefurl=http://201rootkola.blogspot.com/2011_05_01_archive.html&h=286&w=531&sz=27&tbnid=0FbsMnSiQIkJTM:&tbnh=65&tbnw=120&prev=/search%3Fq%3Duniversal%2Bbattery%2Bcharger%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=universal+battery+charger&usg=__VUKM-Zo2715gwXsLJ4zHo | 10:49 |
| freemangordon | QFrVd0=&docid=pRNk2z16QLy9DM&sa=X&ei=TcOcUOjXLcizhAeWzoHYBg&ved=0CDwQ9QEwAg&dur=1958 | 10:49 |
| freemangordon | oops | 10:49 |
| freemangordon | line too long | 10:49 |
| vi_ | lol wut | 10:49 |
| freemangordon | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OfhtRV9_Q2Q/TeCv0RAVHTI/AAAAAAAACIw/dwzRpqe1BZ4/s640/universal_Charger.11393034.jpg | 10:49 |
| freemangordon | vi_: so? how many | 10:55 |
| vi_ | well it is complex! | 10:55 |
| vi_ | I do all alarm type things from alarmed. | 10:55 |
| vi_ | Which is, AIU the same backend for the regular alarms. | 10:56 |
| freemangordon | who plays the sound? | 10:56 |
| freemangordon | it is | 10:56 |
| vi_ | AFAIU it is just a normal alarm. | 10:56 |
| vi_ | you use either alarmed or clock interface to set the alarm. | 10:56 |
| vi_ | Then when alarmd notices that there should be an alarm going, it initiates the 'alarm screen'/ | 10:57 |
| freemangordon | vi_: it is not tha backend | 10:57 |
| freemangordon | *the | 10:57 |
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| vi_ | that is the screen with stop/snooze on it. | 10:57 |
| vi_ | alarmed is not the backend? | 10:58 |
| vi_ | ^alarmd | 10:58 |
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| freemangordon | I mean that it is not the backend that is buggy | 10:58 |
| vi_ | alarmd==cron style scheduler. | 10:58 |
| freemangordon | ^^^ | 10:58 |
| vi_ | alarmed==gui frontend. | 10:58 |
| freemangordon | I know | 10:58 |
| vi_ | just making sure we are on the same page. | 10:58 |
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| freemangordon | ok | 10:58 |
| freemangordon | so, again, how many alarm rings does it take to wake you up? | 10:59 |
| vi_ | Well I am already awake by the time the alarm rings. | 10:59 |
| vi_ | Let me explain. | 10:59 |
| freemangordon | well, that is the reason you never miss one | 10:59 |
| freemangordon | as if you stop/snooze, everything is fine | 11:00 |
| vi_ | My n900 connects to the internet 30 minutes before I wake up. | 11:00 |
| vi_ | It then sets volume to 0. | 11:00 |
| vi_ | It then connects to radio swiss jazz. | 11:00 |
| freemangordon | vi_: thats irrelevant | 11:00 |
| vi_ | It then slowly ramps the volume to maximum. | 11:00 |
| vi_ | THEN | 11:00 |
| vi_ | the an alarm set in alarmed goes off. | 11:01 |
| vi_ | It has never failed me yet. | 11:01 |
| vi_ | The alarm rings when it is supposed to. | 11:01 |
| freemangordon | my point is that if you miss first 6 rings you overslept (repeat time 5 minutes, 5 alarms set with 15 minutes interval) | 11:01 |
| freemangordon | vi_: yes, the first 5 or six ring when they are supposed to | 11:02 |
| freemangordon | but not the following | 11:02 |
| vi_ | aaah | 11:02 |
| teotwaki | The N900 is useless to wake me up | 11:02 |
| teotwaki | so are the two blackberries, though | 11:02 |
| teotwaki | I have a physical alarm, a loud one | 11:03 |
| teotwaki | And at least two cron jobs | 11:03 |
| vi_ | The n900 has always been like that. | 11:03 |
| freemangordon | and I deffinitely need lots of noise to wake me up when I go to bed in 3-4 am | 11:03 |
| vi_ | eventually the alarm just gives up after a 1hr. | 11:03 |
| freemangordon | vi_: like what I explain? | 11:03 |
| vi_ | It will stop ringing. | 11:04 |
| vi_ | It is as if there is a 1hr window for the alarm to work in. | 11:04 |
| freemangordon | yeah. but finally I am irritated enough to RE it and fix that shit | 11:04 |
| vi_ | Oh, I thought it was a feature. | 11:04 |
| freemangordon | along with 60 seconds limit for the sound | 11:04 |
| freemangordon | vi_: feature | 11:04 |
| freemangordon | ? | 11:04 |
| freemangordon | come on | 11:05 |
| vi_ | XD | 11:05 |
| freemangordon | toldya, I have 5 or 6 alarms set up , 15 minutes interval (as if you set lesser interval it just wont ring) | 11:05 |
| freemangordon | with 5 minutes for auto-snooze interval | 11:06 |
| freemangordon | when (finally) I wake up and press stop, then the next alarm starts to ring | 11:06 |
| vi_ | 6 alarms! THat is crazy. | 11:07 |
| vi_ | It sounds like the bug is in YOUR firmware. | 11:07 |
| freemangordon | the one that have been supposed to ring an hour or so ago | 11:07 |
| freemangordon | vi_: what is the problem to have 6 alarms? | 11:07 |
| freemangordon | or 60 in that regard | 11:07 |
| freemangordon | ? | 11:07 |
| freemangordon | vi_: my first Nokia was 5110 | 11:08 |
| vi_ | Can you imagine a man sleeping with 6 old fashioned alarm clocks all set to go off at staggered intervals. | 11:08 |
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| vi_ | It is just a funny image. | 11:08 |
| freemangordon | and I thought I knew how Nokia alarms work | 11:08 |
| jon_y | the 6 alarms are ritualistically arranged to wake the dead | 11:08 |
| freemangordon | hmm, maybe I should make them 666 | 11:09 |
| freemangordon | :D | 11:09 |
| jon_y | did I just start a horror story :) | 11:09 |
| vi_ | be sure to arrange your n900s in a token ring ethernet pentagram. | 11:09 |
| freemangordon | naah, jewish star ethernet topology :P | 11:09 |
| jon_y | nah, it's wifi these days, not sure what's the aesthetic equivalent | 11:10 |
| freemangordon | anyway, alarmd systemui plugin is buggy as hell | 11:10 |
| freemangordon | *alarm | 11:10 |
| jon_y | the alarm app in the n900? | 11:10 |
| freemangordon | and deffinitely there is a memory leak | 11:10 |
| freemangordon | yes | 11:10 |
| jon_y | sometimes it would not accept me pressing the "stop" button | 11:11 |
| freemangordon | the one with stop/snooze buttons on it | 11:11 |
| vi_ | I just do not understand why it was so important for nokia to sit on the source code for such trivial programs. | 11:11 |
| jon_y | yes that, it would ring non stop and lagged like crazy | 11:11 |
| jon_y | patent pending cool code | 11:12 |
| freemangordon | vi_: the funny stuff is that it is called osso-... | 11:12 |
| jon_y | write a 3 liner perl script to replace it? :) | 11:13 |
| freemangordon | anyway, I have several more functions to RE and I'll have the complete source code. Will fix it . Hopefully | 11:13 |
| freemangordon | vi_: the point to not open it is that it uses lots of imports from systemui binary | 11:14 |
| freemangordon | so the whole systemui stack have to be open | 11:14 |
| freemangordon | (at least headers) | 11:14 |
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| vi_ | I am not so familiar with how systemui is placed in the system. | 11:15 |
| freemangordon | don;t ask me why it is so precious to be kept closed I have NFC | 11:15 |
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| vi_ | freemangordon: Well if you get bored of the alarm, RE tklock and get rid of the goddamned swipe to unlock bullshit. DOuble press power button to lock, double press to unlock. | 11:16 |
| freemangordon | but by looking at the alarm UI code I have some suspicions | 11:16 |
| freemangordon | :D:D:D | 11:16 |
| jon_y | oh, and the calendar/time set applet too | 11:16 |
| freemangordon | vi_: well, first things first :P | 11:16 |
| jon_y | why do I have to swipe all the way to enter the minute | 11:16 |
| jon_y | all 0-59 | 11:17 |
| freemangordon | jon_y: that one can be just rewrited, I don't think it needs to be REed | 11:17 |
| jon_y | ~REed | 11:17 |
| vi_ | jon_y: GodDAMNED osso-startup wizard. | 11:17 |
| freemangordon | ~RE | 11:17 |
| infobot | well, re is religious education | 11:17 |
| jon_y | what's REed? | 11:18 |
| freemangordon | infobot: you are stupid | 11:18 |
| infobot | freemangordon: what are you talking about? | 11:18 |
| freemangordon | you know | 11:18 |
| freemangordon | jon_y: reverse engineered | 11:18 |
| jon_y | ok | 11:18 |
| vi_ | osso startup wizard making you drag the sliders to set the date and 'turn' the clock to set the time. So fucking lame. All is needed is a dialog that will remember if you like am/pm|24h and allow you to type in a string of characters to set the time/date. | 11:19 |
| jon_y | somebody in Nokia likes the UI | 11:20 |
| vi_ | fortunatley you can just apt-get remove osso-startup-wizard | 11:20 |
| vi_ | somebody in nokia lies the cock. | 11:20 |
| vi_ | somebody in nokia likes the cock. | 11:20 |
| jon_y | :) | 11:20 |
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| * GeneralAntilles head-desks. | 11:51 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure why I replied. | 12:22 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, because we all fail to ignore the trolls sometimes :) | 12:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. . . . | 12:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had to wake up at 2 this morning to deal with a minor emergency | 12:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | hey | 12:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Made me weak. | 12:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: go back to sleep | 12:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wired now. | 12:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm going to be tired again about the time I have to be at work. :D | 12:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi GeneralAntilles | 13:28 |
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| chem|st | goooood morning maemo | 13:36 |
| chem|st | estel is still trying to convince people that we do not need a council or even THAT council... now that he is banned from tmo he is on the mailing list | 13:38 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: The onboard backup battery is a li-ion? | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | in a certain flavor | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LiMg | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only 2.0..3.0V | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or sth | 13:49 |
| vi_ | ok | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bupbat | 13:49 |
| infobot | it has been said that bupbat is http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R, or use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: hey, what a delight | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: gives me the confidence that reality has a certain continuity | 13:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 13:51 |
| vi_ | what sort of capacitance do you think would be required to replace the bupbat? | 13:51 |
| vi_ | Would you need a series resitance? | 13:51 |
| vi_ | Would the a cap ESR do? | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anything with >= 3V and as much Farad as possible | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no series R needed | 13:51 |
| vi_ | Is there the necessarys to stop the cap dumping all of its charge at once? | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the capacitive 414 has sth like 0.6F iirc, worth several weeks of RTC power | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, no special requirements | 13:53 |
| vi_ | aha. So o.1F would be enough for a battery swap. | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably 0.001F would suffice for swap | 13:53 |
| vi_ | you can get an x7r 1206 0.1F. | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds good enough | 13:54 |
| vi_ | ... | 13:54 |
| vi_ | interesting | 13:54 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, it is possible power n900 from charger only? (n900 without battery) | 13:54 |
| vi_ | Pali: yes. | 13:54 |
| vi_ | But not with BME running. | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: see tmo "hotswap of battery possible" | 13:55 |
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| Pali | vi_, this is not problem I can replace bme :-) | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I powered the device for an afternoon from USB, without battery inserted | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cmt won't work though | 13:55 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: why? | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why what? | 13:57 |
| vi_ | why will cmt not work? | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TX power surges | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >2A possibly >4A | 13:57 |
| vi_ | holy fuck. | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 20ms but no capacitor will buffer that | 13:58 |
| vi_ | cv=it... | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ??? | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, that took a while. I'm definitely not feeling well today | 14:00 |
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| vi_ | holy shit, farnel supply a 3000F cap. | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi, there's a funny direct linear relation between Wh aka Joule you can store in a capacitor, and its volume | 14:01 |
| grammoboy | hm cutetube doesn't find videos anymore | 14:01 |
| grammoboy | and the mediaplayer plugin neither | 14:01 |
| grammoboy | n900 | 14:02 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Yes, depending on construction material. | 14:02 |
| jon_y | vi_: HOLYSHIT 3000F? | 14:02 |
| vi_ | Yes. | 14:02 |
| jon_y | just tempted to short it :) | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, only size of a coke bottle | 14:02 |
| vi_ | jon_y: With your tounge! | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's NOT low ESR | 14:02 |
| trx | lol | 14:02 |
| jon_y | whats the voltage limit? | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2.x V | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 14:03 |
| jon_y | kind of low | 14:03 |
| jon_y | stacking kind of halves the cap | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not kind of | 14:04 |
| vi_ | 2.7v | 14:04 |
| grammoboy | I want to download youtube video :( | 14:04 |
| vi_ | actually low esr | 14:04 |
| vi_ | 0.000029R | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly 1 / ( 1/C1 + 1/C2 ) | 14:05 |
| vi_ | 138x60mm | 14:05 |
| vi_ | only a mere £260 | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh pretty low ESR indeed | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-o | 14:06 |
| vi_ | HOLY CHRISTING FUCK. | 14:06 |
| vi_ | Short circuit current: | 14:06 |
| vi_ | 9300 | 14:06 |
| vi_ | A | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DAFAQ! | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still, 2.7V - lame | 14:07 |
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| vi_ | rated to contain 3W of power. | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 100uF/400V for sure gives better show effects | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: that's not a matching unit | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neither power nor W | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a light bulb can have 3W | 14:08 |
| vi_ | I am just pasting from the datasheet. | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they probably meant 3Ws | 14:08 |
| vi_ | energy available: 3.04Wh | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or even 3Wh | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | which is an energy, not a power unit | 14:09 |
| jon_y | how long does the n900 last at 0.5*c*v^2? | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how long does N900 last on BL-5J (3.x Wh)? | 14:10 |
| jon_y | around 3 days? | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, 4.9Wh | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-09 13:09:09] <vi_> energy available: 3.04Wh | 14:12 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: http://uk.farnell.com/cooper-bussmann/ksl-3r3703s-r/capacitor-super-0-07f3-3v100-ohm80/dp/1786382 | 14:12 |
| vi_ | look at that. | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: iirc they used 100s of those in tram | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not of ^^^ those ;-P | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: looks pretty compatible | 14:14 |
| vi_ | It looks like a drop in replacement. | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 14:14 |
| vi_ | Unfortunatley the datasheet says they are obsolete. | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shite | 14:14 |
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| vi_ | 4.8x1.4mm | 14:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds about right | 14:16 |
| vi_ | 500hr lifespan | 14:16 |
| vi_ | o0 | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, get a friggin 1206 | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | X7R or sth | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe all those "batteries" were a deadend street in component development | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look for supercap or goldcap | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those seem to stand a certain lifespan | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | used everywhere, even in bike lights | 14:20 |
| vi_ | meh. I have to work for my job. | 14:21 |
| vi_ | bbl | 14:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 too would need to deal with headache and absence from job *right* now | 14:21 | |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: make a bl-5j-shaped capacitor | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what for? it has 1/10 of the energy of a LiIon like BL-5J *at best* | 14:48 |
| kerio | no, make a *good* one! | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: send me a machine that turns shit into platinum | 14:49 |
| kerio | k, i'll send you one that only works with a bl-5j-shaped capacitor inserted in a slot | 14:50 |
| jon_y | shaped capacitor? | 14:50 |
| kerio | (bl-5j)-shaped | 14:50 |
| * jon_y needs more shaped charge | 14:50 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: mostly because chemistry sucks | 14:51 |
| Luke-Jr | kerio: upgrade to alchemy! | 14:53 |
| kerio | alchemy can't work | 14:54 |
| kerio | you can't have equivalent exchange and third law of thermodynamics | 14:54 |
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| kerio | oh, Pali is here | 15:12 |
| kerio | Pali: this morning my phone was off | 15:12 |
| kerio | left it charging overnight | 15:12 |
| kerio | no messages in syslog | 15:12 |
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| vi_ | phew, another week managed convincing my company I know what I am doing. | 15:43 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer51: Does it get any easier? | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably not | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and I think a constant challenge regarding explaining to others what you do is a benefit for all - including yourself | 15:47 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer51: I would tend to agree. Unless you fully understand a thing, you cannot explain it to another person. | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I pretty much like and search for that kind of reality check | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I preach it as a mandatory component in rollout of any patches | 15:49 |
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| Pali | see this: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=pulseaudio-modules-n900.changes&package=pulseaudio-modules-n900&project=CE:Adaptation:N9xx-common | 15:59 |
| Pali | somebody from @jollamobile.com updated package for n900! | 15:59 |
| Pali | Sun Oct 14 2012 | 16:00 |
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| kerio | Pali: what about my charging issue? | 16:06 |
| Pali | kerio, which issue? | 16:06 |
| kerio | this morning i found that my phone was off | 16:07 |
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| kerio | solid green light, no messages in syslog regarding a shutdown | 16:07 |
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| Pali | I need syslog | 16:08 |
| vi_ | Pali: holy shit, that is incredible! | 16:09 |
| vi_ | I know have a modicum of faith that jolla might do something useful. | 16:09 |
| Skry | Pali: there are actually quite a lot of updates from jolla people lately to mer etc | 16:09 |
| Pali | but for n900? | 16:10 |
| Skry | n900 too | 16:10 |
| kerio | Pali: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1929061 | 16:10 |
| Skry | like fbdev-sgx which was updated for Xorg 1.13 | 16:10 |
| vi_ | well I imagine n900 is a convenient test platform. | 16:10 |
| kerio | no, nvm, it's cut | 16:10 |
| vi_ | cheap, easily available and most of the work is already done. | 16:11 |
| vi_ | For the love of god. In all that is holy I hope they release an n900 follow up. | 16:11 |
| vi_ | I can still remember the utter disappointment the morning I read the N9 release stuff. | 16:12 |
| kerio | Pali: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1405219/syslog | 16:12 |
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| Pali | nothing bad in log | 16:14 |
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| kerio | i know | 16:15 |
| kerio | no mention of a shutdown either | 16:16 |
| kerio | the really weird thing is that there was plenty of battery anyway, so even if it stopped charging there's no good reason it should've drained the battery | 16:16 |
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| Skry | I've had that behaviour from time to time since I bought it. I have separate alarm clock I can trust. | 16:18 |
| Skry | sso maybe some moar testing? maybe this was a one time glitch on the universe? | 16:19 |
| Pali | noooooooooooooooooooooooo | 16:20 |
| kerio | this makes no sense :s | 16:20 |
| Pali | Use systemd module loading to workaround startup race condition | 16:20 |
| Pali | ti-omap3-sgx | 16:20 |
| Pali | from @jollamobile.com | 16:20 |
| Pali | Thu Nov 1 2012 | 16:20 |
| kerio | LOL LENNART | 16:20 |
| vi_ | what do you mean noooooooooooooooo? | 16:20 |
| Pali | so jolla using systemd | 16:20 |
| vi_ | WTF IS LENNART? | 16:20 |
| vi_ | and LART? | 16:21 |
| kerio | ~poettering | 16:21 |
| infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' | 16:21 |
| Pali | ~lennart | 16:21 |
| vi_ | Explain to me. | 16:21 |
| kerio | lennart poettering | 16:21 |
| kerio | the systemd creator | 16:21 |
| Skry | vi_: the man behind pulseaudio and systemd | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WAAAAH | 16:21 |
| kerio | he's also guilty of creating pulseaudio | 16:21 |
| Pali | ~wiki lennart poettering | 16:21 |
| vi_ | I still do not get it. | 16:21 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox person | name = Lennart Poettering | image = Lennart_Poettering_2012.jpg | alt = | caption = Poettering in 2012 | birth_name = | birth_date = | birth_place = Guatemala City | death_date = | death_place = | nationality = German | other_names = | known_for = Avahi, PulseAudio, systemd | occupation = Software engineer | employer = Red Hat | website = ... | 16:21 |
| kerio | vi_: he's a cunt | 16:21 |
| vi_ | kerio: Gotcha. | 16:21 |
| Pali | he destroyed udev | 16:22 |
| Skry | no one has destroyed udev | 16:22 |
| Skry | it's there, it can be separately buiild and it's already forked | 16:23 |
| Pali | "this cancer is extremely poettering" | 16:23 |
| Pali | :D | 16:23 |
| vi_ | why all the hate oin pulse audio? | 16:23 |
| Skry | because it's nonsense? | 16:24 |
| vi_ | If it sucks so much ass, why do all the major distros use it? | 16:24 |
| Skry | because it integrates | 16:24 |
| Pali | because lennart | 16:24 |
| Pali | and because bluetooth | 16:24 |
| vi_ | but he is a cunt. | 16:24 |
| vi_ | I still don't get this. | 16:24 |
| kerio | upstart was already bad enough | 16:24 |
| Pali | upstart is better then systemd | 16:25 |
| vi_ | which is worse than sysvinit? | 16:25 |
| vi_ | I don't understand any of this stuff anymore. | 16:25 |
| vi_ | I am going back under my rock with my debian sarge box. | 16:25 |
| Skry | in short: red had and canonical want you linux to be the new windows. for that they both have developers doing stuff the non-traditional way, not following the traditions, because they feel choice is bad. | 16:26 |
| Skry | so they integrate | 16:26 |
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| Skry | lennart happens to be one of them | 16:26 |
| Skry | and anyone of you there criticising him, and using gnome, redhad, *buntu are hypocrites | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't have described it any better | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~buntkuh | 16:28 |
| vi_ | I do not think anyone here uses booto. | 16:28 |
| infobot | hmm... buntkuh is http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now I got one more point to justify my dislike of anything starting with g* as well, thanks | 16:28 |
| Skry | and all in all, it's not about if the software solutions they create are good or not, systemd is awesome in doing what it should, pulseaudio has become quite good. But in the end, they are the wrong path, ethically and technically | 16:29 |
| Skry | systemd will eat everything on it's way, it already can replace fstab and power management. | 16:29 |
| jaska | they can pry fstab from my cold dead hands | 16:30 |
| kerio | jaska: they will | 16:30 |
| vi_ | monolithic control everything daemon? | 16:30 |
| Skry | vi_: yes | 16:30 |
| vi_ | sounds terrible. | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | systemd introduced that "we don't need /usr anymore - after all what it's been worth for anyway? It never really worked" bullsh*t | 16:30 |
| jaska | next it will be loading ... registry hives. | 16:30 |
| Skry | bad thing is, it's actually very good and I like it :D | 16:30 |
| jon_y | oh, and it'll use binary sql for registry too right? | 16:30 |
| vi_ | I thought in unix a program did 1 thing and did it as well as possible. | 16:30 |
| kerio | vi_: yeah, but lennart poettering | 16:31 |
| vi_ | delete /usr? | 16:31 |
| vi_ | how is that even possible? | 16:31 |
| vi_ | Where will my programs go? | 16:31 |
| jon_y | there was a linux distro that tried that | 16:31 |
| jon_y | all that funky /programs instead | 16:31 |
| kerio | heh, gobolinux | 16:31 |
| jon_y | yes that | 16:32 |
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| jon_y | I mean, wtf | 16:32 |
| vi_ | /program_files | 16:32 |
| jon_y | why did they even consider it? | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: /bin and /sbin move to /usr/(s)bin and /usr is mandatory part of ** | 16:32 |
| jon_y | why would n00bs be looking at / anyway? | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rootfs** | 16:32 |
| Skry | anyways, shit like udev, dbus, udisks are all becoming something that is tailored for systems running systemd, which efficiently leaves us with no device management. udisks2 is already gnome specific, and gnome already depends on systemd | 16:32 |
| Skry | and did I mentioin systemd is already in control of user sessions? | 16:33 |
| vi_ | no dbus? | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not *yet* | 16:34 |
| vi_ | this is getting crazy. | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will take another 3 months | 16:34 |
| vi_ | How do I script the back end of stuff with no dbus?? | 16:34 |
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| Skry | so in the end red hat and canonical want that there are only on linux system. theirs. for now they can satisfy in two, theirs. | 16:34 |
| Skry | one | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: I'm actually amazed it only uses less / $pager to display --help output, not opens a true matchbox X-server to do it completely graphical | 16:35 |
| Skry | read the link i pasted last night if you're interested what's happening | 16:35 |
| Skry | DocScrutinizer05: somebody already suggested to integrate wayland into it :P | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you're sure that's not been me, yesterday? | 16:36 |
| Skry | might have been :) | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it never been so true: | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering | 16:36 |
| infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lennart is <reply>Lennart is ~Poettering | 16:37 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 16:37 |
| Skry | anyways, I'm not liking these changes, nor am I against it. We're not on BSD so shit can and should actually change, and it's all about the god damn choice after all. | 16:38 |
| jon_y | Skry: sounds like they are their own bunch of circle jerks | 16:38 |
| Skry | well, money makes jerks | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: I'd tend to agree with you as long as there's actually any choice | 16:39 |
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| Skry | DocScrutinizer05: true, this major push to force systemd to users is all wrong. | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for now Suse comes with sysV init as alternative to systemd | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder when they'll drop support for sysV init | 16:40 |
| Skry | I have been thinking about moving back to Gentoo, not sure what should I do though | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe some private equity fond should buy redhat and ruin it for good | 16:41 |
| Skry | but yes, I understand systemd can ease alot of maintaining, especially for a small distro. Yes, it does all the shit it does very well and efficiently. But the shit that's taken the whole linux ecosystem is just plain wrong. | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: systemd forbids /usr | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | partition | 16:42 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: wot? | 16:42 |
| Skry | yes, it resides in /usr/lib | 16:43 |
| jon_y | oh, it needs /usr to run? | 16:43 |
| jon_y | ok | 16:43 |
| vi_ | wtf? | 16:43 |
| vi_ | green charging led? | 16:43 |
| vi_ | what is going on? | 16:43 |
| Skry | :D | 16:43 |
| Skry | everything is falling apart! :D | 16:43 |
| kerio | vi_: with what? | 16:43 |
| vi_ | an n900 I have recently taken possesion of, a 2101. | 16:44 |
| vi_ | I just plugged it into charge and it has a pulsing green charging led. | 16:44 |
| vi_ | Instead of orange. | 16:44 |
| kerio | neat | 16:44 |
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| jon_y | exorcise it with flasher? | 16:44 |
| kerio | broken red LED maybe | 16:44 |
| jon_y | likely | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: maybe indicator LED defect | 16:44 |
| vi_ | jon_y: It is just fresshly fully flashed. | 16:44 |
| kerio | otoh i think you can configure mce there | 16:44 |
| kerio | so reflash | 16:44 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: perhaps. | 16:45 |
| jon_y | the colr green is made of yellow, and something else | 16:45 |
| jon_y | *color | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: try to manually set indicator led to red | 16:45 |
| jon_y | for LCDs anyway, not sure about LEDs | 16:45 |
| vi_ | was there not an anomaly with the original production run of n900? | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: yellow is green and red | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: yep | 16:45 |
| vi_ | Ok, now it is orange? | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swapped bue and red iirc | 16:46 |
| vi_ | this is nuts | 16:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: defective FPC? | 16:46 |
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| vi_ | this n900 has so much swag. | 16:46 |
| vi_ | ~FPC | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flat plastic cable | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or flexible plastic connector | 16:47 |
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| vi_ | I need to go check. | 16:47 |
| vi_ | bbl | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or flexible PCB cable | 16:47 |
| kerio | vi_: have you reflashed it already? | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-09 15:44:49] <vi_> jon_y: It is just fresshly fully flashed. | 16:49 |
| kerio | then lols | 16:49 |
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| kerio | have you fullresetted it? | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, won't help | 16:49 |
| kerio | Sc0rpius: are you the cleven and yappari dude? | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | battery removal though might be needed, since LP5523 is directly connected to VBAT | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there have been cases where LP5523 got confused so much that it needed a battery removal to recover | 16:51 |
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| vi_ | this is my stunt n900 anyway. | 16:53 |
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| vi_ | It is a total shitter made from spare parts. | 16:53 |
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| Sc0rpius | kerio, I'm the Yappari guy, no clue what cleven is | 16:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: check LP5523 selftest result | 16:53 |
| kerio | maybe i'm mistaken about that | 16:53 |
| kerio | anyway | 16:53 |
| vi_ | I have found the culprit. | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ... | 16:54 |
| kerio | when are you going to release a new yappari version? i need the alternate server port to connect to whatsapp while on my uni's wifi network | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: ??????????????? | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | famous last words? | 16:55 |
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| vi_ | the connector inside the slider that joins the FBC and the LCD was not seated correctly. | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | toldya | 16:58 |
| vi_ | Funnily enough, that meant tthe motor did not vibrate at startup. | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, defects on that cable have *very* weird side effects | 16:58 |
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| Sc0rpius | kerio: when I finish it... sadly I don't have too much time for it, I have a job and I can dedicate to Yappari less than 2 hours a week | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AV failing being only one of them | 16:58 |
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| Sc0rpius | I mean more than 2 hours a week | 16:59 |
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| vi_ | I have bought like 4 n900 this month. | 16:59 |
| kerio | Sc0rpius: but it's a really easy change! :'( | 16:59 |
| vi_ | This is by far the worst. | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: ooh YOU bouhg thtme all >:-( | 16:59 |
| vi_ | kerio: That will work, play on his emotions with a crying smiley face. | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bought* | 16:59 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I think I have a problem. | 17:00 |
| kerio | vi_: yeah, you have too few n900s | 17:00 |
| kerio | buy some more | 17:00 |
| Skry | giev | 17:00 |
| vi_ | kerio: I am looking for 1 more. | 17:00 |
| vi_ | Mint condition. | 17:00 |
| vi_ | Still with factory screen foil. | 17:01 |
| kerio | the one i bought still had it :D | 17:01 |
| vi_ | kerio: My current one had it too. | 17:01 |
| vi_ | It is quite remarkable. | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: was that problem something new, or an explanation why you're buying all available N900? | 17:01 |
| kerio | this reminds me, i should change the screen protector | 17:01 |
| vi_ | It is over 1 year old now but it is still in brilliant condition compared to all the second hand ones I get. | 17:01 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I need to stop sinking my monies into obsolete hardware. | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got same problem | 17:02 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: My damn motorcycle is ~27 years old. | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then, you have to sink your money somewhere ;-D | 17:02 |
| vi_ | lol I dunno, a mortgage? | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and there's no worthwhile new hw | 17:03 |
| vi_ | It is a concept I have a hard time explaining. | 17:03 |
| vi_ | And even understanding to a certain extent. | 17:03 |
| vi_ | That is the problem with becoming a connoisseur. | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have the explanation that both me and my N900 feel better in company of other N900 | 17:04 |
| vi_ | Your demands become harder and harder to fulfil. | 17:04 |
| vi_ | Til eventually only $300 XO is as low as you will go. | 17:04 |
| vi_ | How do you pull source code from the maemo garage repos? | 17:05 |
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| vi_ | For example, I want to modify the behaviour of simple brightness statusbar plugin. | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good plan, I had same | 17:06 |
| vi_ | Do I just wget the source package or is there a proper way of doing it? | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: | 17:06 |
| Skry | about the useless but still worthy NEW hardware, this is what I've been waiting for quite some years.. http://www.natami.net/ | 17:06 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Change shortpress to screen always on by any chance? | 17:06 |
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| vi_ | Skry: amiga... | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, make longpress only act on release | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it doesn't vamish and create click on random other stuff | 17:07 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Nice. | 17:07 |
| Skry | vi_: yes | 17:07 |
| vi_ | Also, press and hold menus in hildon to the left of the pressure point. | 17:08 |
| vi_ | And finally, status menu in task manager screen. | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: also pondered adding some "config" options to adjust ALS "gamma" | 17:08 |
| vi_ | #cssu-testing, prepare for amatuerish patches. | 17:08 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Is that even possible? | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly no simple way | 17:09 |
| vi_ | I thought it was controlled by a closed source component. | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mce | 17:09 |
| vi_ | MCE!!! | 17:09 |
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| Skry | btw is there any up to date list of closed parts of maemo? | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 17:10 |
| vi_ | :q | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~closed | 17:10 |
| infobot | methinks closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages | 17:10 |
| Skry | I'm having hard time finding anything from *.maemo.org | 17:10 |
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| Pali | Skry: https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal closed | 17:12 |
| infobot | "closed" is "http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages" | 17:12 |
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| Skry | thanks guys | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages | 17:12 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget closed | 17:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot closed | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~closed | 17:13 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages | 17:13 |
| Skry | didn't quite realize the list is _that_ long.. | 17:13 |
| Pali | jonwil, hi | 17:14 |
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| Pali | my idea it shat systemui actdeating plugin is for ACT DEAD mode | 17:15 |
| jonwil | yes probably | 17:15 |
| Pali | e.g, when you connect charger to n900 which is turned off | 17:15 |
| Pali | and I think this plugin handle poweroff | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, you need some battery surveilance even in act_dead | 17:16 |
| kerio | fuck, i have a tiny bit of dust below my new screen protector | 17:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | where no hildon desktop and thus no status applet is running | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: bathroom, create lots of fog by rnning the shower on hot temperature | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | best 'cleanroom' you can get at home | 17:18 |
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| kerio | hm, how does that work? | 17:19 |
| kerio | won't there still be dust around? | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the fog should wash out all dust from air, and fix it to ground | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure you got fog drops instead, but those don't matter for your particular purpose | 17:20 |
| kerio | hrmpf, i'd have to wash the screen protector with alcohol too | 17:21 |
| kerio | well, with soap and then alcohol | 17:21 |
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| kerio | otoh, i've been having a dead ant inside of my laptop's LCD for a long time | 17:22 |
| kerio | so idk if i feel it's worth fixing that speck of dust | 17:22 |
| Skry | probably not | 17:23 |
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| Pali | WTF?? somebody started working on modest again, see: https://gitorious.org/modest | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: in LCD those aren't usually ants but small flies we call "Gewittertierchen" here | 17:29 |
| kerio | hm, maybe | 17:29 |
| kerio | i don't remember | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.google.de/search?q=gewittertierchen | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (Thysanoptera) | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you can't fix dust that's already sticking on foil sticky side | 17:33 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: of course you can | 17:33 |
| kerio | wash it with soap | 17:33 |
| kerio | then sink in alcohol and let dry | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never heard of anybody succeeding with that | 17:33 |
| kerio | i did, with my previous screen protector :) | 17:34 |
| kerio | it doesn't have glue, mind you | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nice, learning sth new today :-) | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, I feel like a tuna sandwich, have to get some aspirin before they hit me with council duties | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bbl | 17:38 |
| Skry | in addition to earlier talk about things done wrong, from the news: "Matthias Clasen on the behalf of the GNOME Release Team has announced that they have decided to eliminate GNOME's "fallback mode" with the upcoming 3.8 release" | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm so happy I never particularly liked gnome | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | always been waaaay too windowsy for me | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm too pride to take crap redmond stuff as a design goal to emulate | 17:44 |
| Skry | mm, always disliked it too. then again, I disliked kde4 too at first. | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I still dislike kde4 for it's terrible (missing) stability | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | getting worse with each update | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kde3 been awesome | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in a sentimantal mood I sometimes ponder rolling back to kde3 | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plasma my ass | 17:47 |
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| kerio | haha | 17:47 |
| Skry | DocScrutinizer05: you might want to check out trinity project then | 17:47 |
| kerio | i should learn how to use xmonad | 17:47 |
| Skry | kde4 been stable for me | 17:47 |
| Skry | kerio: or i3, possibly awesome, both are great | 17:48 |
| Skry | I actually run awesome on my N900 arch install | 17:48 |
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| Pali | maemo wiki not working | 18:02 |
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| Pali | when I'm trying to edit page it show: http://pastebin.com/eumfxmBa | 18:03 |
| Pali | wiki.meego.com is down | 18:03 |
| Pali | so wiki.maemo.org going too? | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: opening for edit WFM. Did you get this on opening or on saving? | 18:09 |
| Pali | after click submit | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=N900_Hardware_Subsystems&action=edit | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | works | 18:09 |
| Pali | did you tried to save? | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>User account "Joerg rw" is not registered. Please check if you want to create/edit this page.<< :-/ | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, confirmed | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bug | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | blows chunks on "save" | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | X-Fade: PING | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | X-Fade: I never really understood who's maintainer of wiki | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | X-Fade: anyway we'd need him *now* | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619a: ^^^^ | 18:13 |
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| Pali | maybe andre__ has some permissions? | 18:14 |
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| Pali | I'm trying to edit https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages but it still show me error: http://pastebin.com/eumfxmBa | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1291865#post1291865 | 18:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-07 22:22:29] <DocScrutinizer05> I guess rotting creeping in meanwhile, otherwise how would they manage to get the whole infra down to its knees til end of December? | 18:18 |
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| Pali | we need backup of wiki? | 18:18 |
| Pali | meego wiki is down... has somebody backup of it? | 18:19 |
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| Skry | might be a good idea to start backupping just about everything.. | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this has been started resp planned since quite a number of months now | 18:22 |
| qwazix | vi__, ping | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi qwazix | 18:23 |
| qwazix | hi DocScrutinizer05 | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't miss meeting 18:00 UTC! | 18:23 |
| qwazix | of course not | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 18:23 |
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| amospalla | hi, Im new here, and I think I'll stay for some time | 18:24 |
| Skry | DocScrutinizer05: you have any idea what is going to happen? I mean, there already was talk about losing tmo and such somewhere, not that I believe such thing should happen but anyways, it would be nice to know something. | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: eh? you're aware of Hildon Foundation? | 18:25 |
| Skry | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, I'm not aware what has been planned or what is happening though | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | H-F aka "the board" is all about handing over all maemo infra from Nokia/Nemein to "community" | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems for everything but tmo things are pretty clear and on their path | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tmo is a bit special since it's not hosted nor owned by Nokia/Nemein | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually tmo is still a sub-forum of internettablettalk.com | 18:28 |
| Skry | ah, ok, thanks. many seem to expect some sort of trouble from this transition so I just had to ask. | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | run by reggie iirc | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I expect trouble but hope for the best ;-D | 18:29 |
| vi__ | qwazix: poong | 18:29 |
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| qwazix | vi__, if you make a dbus script that runs when the powerbutton is pressed, checks if the screen is on and sends the unlock dbus command, you have double click to unlock | 18:30 |
| vi__ | correct. | 18:30 |
| qwazix | I did it accidentally when coding an app | 18:30 |
| vi__ | how do I intercept and act on this dbus script? | 18:31 |
| Skry | DocScrutinizer05: same here :) btw congrats for your place in council, I kinda wished you'd get elected :) | 18:31 |
| qwazix | I was writing qt, but I assume that it can be done with dbus-scripts package | 18:31 |
| vi__ | BOOM | 18:31 |
| qwazix | Don't think you have to intercept it or something | 18:32 |
| vi__ | dbus-scripts is a battery eater. | 18:32 |
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| qwazix | orly? | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: I kinda wish I wasn't elected - which actually I'm not right now. But then there was no election at all, so... | 18:32 |
| vi__ | rly | 18:32 |
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| qwazix | bummer. Didn't know tht | 18:32 |
| qwazix | s/tht/that/ | 18:32 |
| infobot | qwazix meant: bummer. Didn't know that | 18:32 |
| vi__ | it causes ~1500 wakeups/30s | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: how's dbus-scripts eating battery? | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not here (1500 wakeups) | 18:34 |
| vi__ | however, shortcutd could be modified to listen for power button. | 18:34 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: No? | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm running dbus-scripting on my device since >2 years now | 18:34 |
| vi__ | well, I have not checked it out for 1 year. | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should've noticed any sich behaviour | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | such* | 18:35 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: you get ~3mA offline idle current? | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 774 ? Ss 1:03 /usr/sbin/dbus-scripts --system | 18:35 |
| vi__ | mmm | 18:36 |
| qwazix | dunno if it's relevant but in fact I expected more battery life when I had dbus scripts keep wifi and 3g mutually exclusively on | 18:36 |
| vi__ | maybe I should check it out again. | 18:36 |
| vi__ | qwazix: I just use 2G all the time ! | 18:36 |
| kerio | i don't have 2G :( | 18:37 |
| qwazix | I don't use the N900 as a phone. So if I have wifi, any cellular is useless | 18:37 |
| qwazix | so I turn it off | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | powertop not showing any noteworthy details around dbus-scripts | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also CPU time ratio between dbus-scripts and dbus-daemon (18:12) doesn't make me ponder to blame scripts of anything | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 758 ? S<s 18:12 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --nofork | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 774 ? Ss 1:03 /usr/sbin/dbus-scripts --system | 18:41 |
| vi__ | qwazix: but the phone is the only aspect that makes the n900 worth while! | 18:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: hey | 18:42 |
| qwazix | ZogG_laptop, hey | 18:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: mazal tov on being council. do you fell you have bigger balls | 18:43 |
| qwazix | vi__, I prefer harmattan or symbian for phone functions... | 18:43 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: try running pwertop in offline mode and comparing it with results of offline mode+dbus-scripts stopped. | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suffer from a big hurting head | 18:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: btw i was surprised good that u is council too :P | 18:43 |
| vi__ | qwazix: symbian I can understand. | 18:43 |
| qwazix | ZogG_laptop, thanks, I'd like to help as much as possible | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: I don't think 20h of IRC via WLAN in standby mode are any good argument to start investigations on dbus-scripts | 18:45 |
| vi__ | qwazix: what is going to happen to the maemo repos when nokia pulls the plug? | 18:45 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: ok. | 18:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: i know that's why i was glad | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: and actually, how should dbus-scripts cause such cpu hogging? after all it's just waiting for dbus msgs like every other dbus user | 18:46 |
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| qwazix | vi__, not that the N900 is a bad phone, but I tend to break it (software) from time to time, or end up without battery, so I want a second phone. Bout the repos I hope that we manage the transition flawlessly, but till now I know prolly not much more than you, waiting for the meeting to get briefed better. | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if of course you'd be silly enough to trigger a dbus msg/signal in a dbus-script that gets triggered by that dbus msg/signal.... | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: I once made the mistake to place a shellscript into /etc/dbus-scripts.d/* | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which did more damage than only a few wakeups | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it was a veritable forkbomb | 18:49 |
| andre__ | Pali, I can protect pages by setting Edit to "Allow all users" | "Block new and unregistered users" | "Admins only" | 18:50 |
| andre__ | but Fremantle_closed_packages says "Allow all users" | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | andre__: who's asmin on that wiki box? | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | admin* | 18:50 |
| andre__ | (and I'd love to share permissions, by the way, but have no idea how) | 18:50 |
| andre__ | DocScrutinizer05, I don't know | 18:51 |
| andre__ | uh yay | 18:51 |
| andre__ | I just see that I am member of the group "Administrators". | 18:51 |
| andre__ | so let me find out how to make more people admins, after I've bought milk for breakfast. | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | andre__: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1291865#post1291865 ff | 18:51 |
| kerio | qwazix: just buy another n900 to be a backup :D | 18:51 |
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| Pali | andre__, see: http://wikis.evergreen.edu/computing/index.php/Add_User_to_Access_Group_-_Mediawiki | 18:54 |
| vi___ | 267 nicks!!! HOLY SHIT. | 18:54 |
| vi___ | how do I add a user to the sudoers file? | 18:54 |
| vi___ | wait... | 18:55 |
| vi___ | I have to restart X? | 18:55 |
| vi___ | ffs | 18:55 |
| qwazix | kerio, I prefer the combination N9+N900 best of both worlds | 18:55 |
| Pali | update-sudoers<something> | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: add file to /etc/sudoers.d/*, then run update-sudoers | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: ooooh, a N9 user in council. Much appreciated :-) | 19:02 |
| * Lava_Croft high fives qwazix | 19:02 | |
| Lava_Croft | Very correct! | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: do *NOT* edit /etc/sudoers ! | 19:05 |
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| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, Lava_Croft, thanks, I hadn't realized it's such a rare thing to be a N9 user | 19:08 |
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| kerio | of course it's a rare thing | 19:08 |
| kerio | harmattan sucks | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not a rare thing, but nevertheless welcome in council | 19:08 |
| * kerio flees | 19:08 | |
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| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, glad to be here, I'd say welcome to you too but it feels inappropriate considering the years you have been contributing | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, nevermind | 19:10 |
| kerio | btw, what was the deal with E*_ and the last council? | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? you're kidding? | 19:11 |
| kerio | i wasn't following the community during that period | 19:11 |
| * NIN101 neither | 19:11 | |
| kerio | i only had my old n900 with the broken usb port as my only phone, so i couldn't actually dick around with it | 19:12 |
| andre__ | Whoah. | 19:12 |
| andre__ | Manage user groups: Enter a username: andre | 19:12 |
| andre__ | =>There is no user by the name "andre". Check your spelling. | 19:12 |
| andre__ | this is all broken. | 19:12 |
| kerio | which wiki engine is it anyway? mediawiki? | 19:12 |
| andre__ | MediaWiki, yeah | 19:12 |
| Pali | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ is down too | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | andre__: the error suggests there's more to fix than mere wiki-internal admin, needs root I'd guess | 19:13 |
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| andre__ | DocScrutinizer05, sounds like | 19:13 |
| Pali | we should immediately backup http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ | 19:14 |
| Pali | what will be next? | 19:14 |
| vi__ | kerio: estel used to be cool. | 19:14 |
| andre__ | MediaWiki 1.15.5-2squeeze4. Now that's ancient. | 19:14 |
| vi__ | kerio: Then he turned into a total d-bag. | 19:14 |
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| Pali | harmattan is down, meego wiki is down, maemo wiki not working correctly, ... | 19:15 |
| vi__ | kerio: Now he goes out of his way to spoil everything for everyone. | 19:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pali: the world is falling apart | 19:15 |
| vi__ | Pali: is this the end? | 19:15 |
| Pali | end of harmattan of cource | 19:15 |
| Pali | and maybe end of maemo too | 19:16 |
| kerio | 9/11 NEVAR FORGET | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-07 22:22:29] <DocScrutinizer05> I guess rotting creeping in meanwhile, otherwise how would they manage to get the whole infra down to its knees til end of December? | 19:16 |
| vi__ | Pali: are the fremantle repos down? | 19:16 |
| Pali | not yet | 19:16 |
| vi__ | fucking hell. | 19:16 |
| vi__ | How do I mirror them?? | 19:16 |
| Pali | fremantle is working | 19:16 |
| kerio | vi__: merlin1991 has a mirror | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: the repos are secured | 19:17 |
| Pali | we have fremantle backup | 19:17 |
| vi__ | im freakin' out here man. | 19:17 |
| vi__ | if the repos went down... | 19:17 |
| kerio | if you have a N900 you're still safe, if you have a N700 or a N8x0 buy a N900 | 19:17 |
| vi__ | well that would be it. | 19:18 |
| kerio | vi__: merlin has a light extras-devel repo | 19:18 |
| vi__ | kerio: BUT I NEED 2 FULL SIZE SD SLOTS AND A DPAD. | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, indeed. What about my N810s | 19:18 |
| kerio | vi__: THEN BUY AN OPENPANDORA | 19:18 |
| kerio | IT IS GOOD | 19:18 |
| Pali | diablo and older are backup too | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 19:19 |
| vi__ | kerio: does it have gsm? | 19:19 |
| Pali | but we need to backup FWs: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ | 19:19 |
| kerio | vi__: you only said dual SD and dpad | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I got a "mirror" of those | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *-last at least | 19:19 |
| vi__ | Pali: I assumed we all had our private stash of those. | 19:19 |
| vi__ | what channel is council meeting? | 19:20 |
| kerio | vi__: i've got PR1.3 global combined and PR1.3 vanilla | 19:20 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, everything from tablets-dev? | 19:20 |
| kerio | #maemo-meeting | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: everything latest | 19:21 |
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| vi__ | Nokia...why? | 19:21 |
| Pali | ok | 19:21 |
| vi__ | I was a loyal customer for years. | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please stop panic mode! | 19:21 |
| vi__ | dont panic! | 19:21 |
| vi__ | DONT PANIC|| | 19:21 |
| kerio | STOP PANICKING DAMMIT | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-11-01.log.html#t2012-11-01T15:40:45 | 19:22 |
| kerio | i seriously want an openpandora :( | 19:25 |
| kerio | wesnoth is really slow on the n900 | 19:25 |
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| vi___ | what is the best way to pull source code from maemo garage? | 20:06 |
| vi___ | Pali: ping | 20:07 |
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| Luke-Jr | hmm, any reason these dual battery hacks wouldn't work with genuine Nokia batteries, now that the ones they used are gone? | 20:31 |
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| ShadowJK | no reason | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | They just used the highest proven capacity batteries | 20:35 |
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| kerio | ShadowJK: btw, what's the best BL-5J as of now? | 20:36 |
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| kolp | Polarcell, afaik | 20:37 |
| ShadowJK | check dr_frost's thread on tmo | 20:37 |
| vi___ | Luke-Jr: Polar cell is still available. | 20:38 |
| Luke-Jr | vi___: in the US? | 20:38 |
| vi___ | The one I have is 1493mAh. | 20:38 |
| vi___ | Luke-Jr: Sorry, it is in germany. | 20:38 |
| vi___ | There are still 'blue' scuds on alieexpress. | 20:39 |
| Luke-Jr | ? | 20:39 |
| Luke-Jr | blue = good ones? | 20:39 |
| vi___ | That claim to be the 1420mAh (1500mAh). | 20:39 |
| vi___ | Luke-Jr: Blue scuds where the original 'holy fuck this battery is insane' battery. | 20:39 |
| vi___ | 1500mAh. | 20:40 |
| vi___ | As it is from china, they will offer VERY cheap shipping to the US, | 20:40 |
| vi___ | However, as with anything from china, it is a gamble as to what you actually get. | 20:40 |
| vi___ | In addition to that... | 20:40 |
| vi___ | You need to think BIGGER. | 20:40 |
| vi___ | Why join a 1500mAh to a 1500mAh when you can joi a 1500mAh to 1900mAh? | 20:41 |
| Luke-Jr | ? | 20:41 |
| vi___ | Luke-Jr: Nokia make a battery called the bp-4l. | 20:41 |
| vi___ | It was used in the n8x0 series. | 20:41 |
| vi___ | After market bp-4l goes up to 1900 mAh (see mugen). | 20:42 |
| vi___ | a bp-4l will fit in the space of a mugen cover. | 20:42 |
| Luke-Jr | hmm | 20:42 |
| vi___ | ya follow? | 20:42 |
| Luke-Jr | I think so. | 20:42 |
| vi___ | of course no one has done it before. | 20:42 |
| Luke-Jr | does it still leave me room to include a payment tag inside? :P | 20:42 |
| Luke-Jr | o | 20:42 |
| vi___ | That means you must be the first. | 20:42 |
| vi___ | You know, for science n' shit. | 20:42 |
| Luke-Jr | well, I'm no electronics expert… I thought mixing different kind of batteries is asking for trouble/ | 20:43 |
| vi___ | Luke-Jr: possibly, how big is this payment tag? | 20:43 |
| vi___ | Luke-Jr: Yes, however these are 2 cells of the same chemistry in parallell. | 20:43 |
| vi___ | ls | 20:44 |
| vi___ | ls | 20:44 |
| vi___ | oops wrong xterm | 20:44 |
| Luke-Jr | vi___: 1 inch by 2 inches | 20:44 |
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| kerio | yeah but how will charging work | 20:44 |
| vi___ | GODAMMIT, USE METRIC. | 20:44 |
| Luke-Jr | vi___: I had it fit under the stock battery before | 20:44 |
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| Luke-Jr | vi___: metric sucks. | 20:44 |
| vi___ | Luke-Jr: how fat is it? | 20:44 |
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| vi___ | ORLY? | 20:45 |
| vi___ | you know only 3 countries still use imperial. | 20:45 |
| Luke-Jr | thin enough it fit between the stock battery and stock cover | 20:45 |
| vi___ | USA | 20:45 |
| vi___ | liberia | 20:45 |
| Luke-Jr | vi___: I use tonal, but I don't expect you to understand that :P | 20:45 |
| vi___ | and burma. | 20:45 |
| Luke-Jr | vi___: not a single country has adopted metric FREELY | 20:45 |
| vi___ | wherever the bumfuck that is. | 20:45 |
| vi___ | Metric rules. | 20:45 |
| Luke-Jr | 5x2.5x1 mm | 20:45 |
| Luke-Jr | sorry, decimal sucks | 20:46 |
| vi___ | There is literally no reason to ever use imperial. | 20:46 |
| vi___ | decimal sucks?????? | 20:46 |
| ShadowJK | The mugen BP-4L is about 1200mAh. :) | 20:46 |
| vi___ | this is nuts, next you will say octal 4 life. | 20:46 |
| Luke-Jr | 5x3 tonal metertons ;) | 20:46 |
| Luke-Jr | vi___: tonal | 20:46 |
| Luke-Jr | http://books.google.com/books?id=aNYGAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false | 20:46 |
| vi___ | ShadowJK: then perhaps i meant a different one. | 20:46 |
| vi___ | so 1mm deep. | 20:47 |
| ShadowJK | vi___, no it says "1800" on it, iirc, but it's not | 20:47 |
| Luke-Jr | after tonal, dozenal | 20:47 |
| kerio | vi___: to be fair, mks sucks | 20:47 |
| vi___ | ShadowJK: Well thats lame. | 20:47 |
| Luke-Jr | inches are approximately the dozenal zenigrafut unit | 20:47 |
| Luke-Jr | so at least somewhat reasonable | 20:47 |
| vi___ | however the nokia one is now 1650 I believe. | 20:47 |
| vi___ | Well I like to measure stuff in cubits and rods. | 20:48 |
| vi___ | Deal with it. | 20:48 |
| ShadowJK | A Pisen BP-4L I got from dealextreme measured up at around 1400-1500 | 20:48 |
| vi___ | anyway! | 20:48 |
| Luke-Jr | base 5*2 < base 3*2*2 < base 2*2*2*2 | 20:48 |
| vi___ | the blue scud is 6.5mm deep | 20:48 |
| kerio | vi___: let's use planck units | 20:48 |
| vi___ | the original bl-5j is ~5mm deep. | 20:49 |
| vi___ | the bp-4l is ~4.5mm deep. | 20:49 |
| vi___ | So assuming a person can stack 2x scuds in a mugen cover (13mm) one can assume you could fit a scud+bp-4l+tag(12mm) | 20:50 |
| vi___ | However these measurements are from memory so you would need to check. | 20:50 |
| vi___ | except for the scud, it is definatley 6.5m. | 20:51 |
| Pali | vi___, pong | 20:51 |
| vi___ | However if you peeled of the lavel you might save 0.5mm | 20:51 |
| vi___ | hello pali. | 20:51 |
| vi___ | I am trying to complile something. | 20:52 |
| Pali | you want to backup garage project? | 20:52 |
| vi___ | actually I want to know what the appropriate way to download source code from maemo garage is. | 20:52 |
| vi___ | surely I do not have to wget it? | 20:52 |
| vi___ | The manually wget all the dependent headers and manually copy them somewhere? | 20:53 |
| Pali | open project page and clone it git repository | 20:54 |
| vi___ | ... | 20:54 |
| vi___ | how do I do that? | 20:54 |
| Pali | look at kernel-power: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/kernel-power/ | 20:55 |
| Pali | there is button SCM | 20:55 |
| Pali | and here are instruction how to clone git repo | 20:55 |
| Pali | git clone https://vcs.maemo.org/git/kernel-power | 20:55 |
| vi___ | ok | 20:58 |
| vi___ | I cannot find simple brightness applet | 20:58 |
| vi___ | aaaaah | 20:59 |
| vi___ | git clone https://vcs.maemo.org/git/sbrightapplet | 21:00 |
| vi___ | Initialize sbrightapplet/.git | 21:00 |
| vi___ | Initialized empty Git repository in /home/paul/SBA/sbrightapplet/.git/ | 21:00 |
| vi___ | error: error setting certificate verify locations: | 21:00 |
| vi___ | CAfile: /usr/share/curl/curl-ca-bundle.crt | 21:00 |
| vi___ | CApath: none | 21:00 |
| vi___ | warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. | 21:00 |
| vi___ | so dont use https | 21:01 |
| vi___ | use http | 21:01 |
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| vi___ | Pali: This was not created using autotools | 21:01 |
| vi___ | it has 'autogen.sh' | 21:01 |
| vi___ | and 'antigen.sh' | 21:02 |
| Pali | ./autogen.sh | 21:02 |
| Pali | dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot | 21:02 |
| vi___ | Please add the files codeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m4 progtest.m4 | 21:02 |
| vi___ | from the /aclocal directory to your autoconf macro directory | 21:02 |
| vi___ | or directly to your aclocal.m4 file. | 21:03 |
| vi___ | You will also need config.guess and config.sub, which you can get from | 21:03 |
| vi___ | ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/config/. | 21:03 |
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| vi___ | Pali: what is libiphb0 do you know? | 21:08 |
| vi___ | The whole dependency tree seems to be broken due to it not existing. | 21:08 |
| Pali | libiphb0 is library for ip heartback daemon | 21:08 |
| Pali | it is in nokia binaries repository | 21:08 |
| vi___ | how do I get it? | 21:09 |
| Pali | it is automatically installed | 21:09 |
| Pali | in scratchbox | 21:09 |
| Pali | make sure you are compiling for armel target | 21:09 |
| Pali | (no idea if library is also available for i386) | 21:09 |
| vi___ | possibly not. | 21:09 |
| vi___ | If I compile for the armel, can I still test it on my PC? | 21:10 |
| vi___ | or do I have to upload it to an n900? | 21:10 |
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| vi___ | apt-get install automake1.10 | 21:11 |
| vi___ | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: automake1.10 | 21:11 |
| vi___ | ^how to fix this? | 21:11 |
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| vi___ | Pali: what package provides automake? | 21:13 |
| Pali | automake or automaken | 21:13 |
| Pali | but automake is part of scratchbox | 21:13 |
| Pali | do you really has correct scratchbox installation? | 21:14 |
| vi___ | Pali: I am starting to question that. | 21:14 |
| vi___ | I followed the wiki :/ | 21:14 |
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| vi___ | Pali: according to apt-cache ther is automake 1.4-1.10 | 21:15 |
| vi___ | Pali: according to apt-cache ther is automake 1.4-1.9 | 21:15 |
| vi___ | there is no automake 1.10 | 21:15 |
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| Pali | use 1.4-1.10 | 21:17 |
| vi___ | I meant there is versions 1.4 through to 1.9 | 21:18 |
| vi___ | There is no 1.10 | 21:18 |
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| fastlane | hmmm | 21:41 |
| fastlane | whats up ppl | 21:41 |
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| merlin1991 | vi___: 1.10 is in extras-devel | 21:48 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: yeah, I told him that | 21:49 |
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| vi___ | merlin1991: It would appear so. | 21:52 |
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| vi___ | extras is down? | 21:55 |
| freemangordon | really? | 21:55 |
| vi___ | unresolvable ip | 22:01 |
| merlin1991 | resolves here | 22:01 |
| merlin1991 | vi___: alternatively use http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/extras-devel/ | 22:02 |
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| kerio | merlin1991: or the light mirror | 22:14 |
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| vi__ | UGH whhy did qwerty12 make this so normal person could compile it? | 22:21 |
| vi__ | vengence from beyond the grave. | 22:21 |
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| freemangordon | the fuck, I cannot link alarm UI against /usr/bin/systemui | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | linker cannot find the functions | 22:33 |
| freemangordon | any hint? | 22:33 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, Pali ^^^ | 22:33 |
| Pali | what is problem? | 22:34 |
| Pali | can you write error message? | 22:34 |
| Pali | /usr/bin/systemui --> this is ELF binary | 22:34 |
| kerio | freemangordon: which alarm ui? | 22:34 |
| freemangordon | yep | 22:34 |
| Pali | you cannot link any library against ELF executable | 22:34 |
| freemangordon | and it has the functions I need exported | 22:34 |
| freemangordon | Pali: it exports some functions | 22:35 |
| freemangordon | and yes, you can link agains executable, see modest plugins for example | 22:35 |
| freemangordon | *against | 22:35 |
| Pali | freemangordon, you cannot link library against executable | 22:36 |
| Pali | but if that executable loading your library | 22:36 |
| Pali | then you can use that function with some hacks | 22:37 |
| Pali | but first I need to see error message | 22:37 |
| freemangordon | "/home/maemo/workspace/systemuiplugin_alarm_dialog/src/osso-systemui-alarm.c:99: undefined reference to `nsv_sv_shutdown'" | 22:37 |
| freemangordon | :D | 22:37 |
| freemangordon | and i have -l:/usr/bin/systemui | 22:38 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: wait, I need another lib, lets see what will happen when I add it | 22:40 |
| Pali | again, you cannot link your library against executable | 22:40 |
| freemangordon | "/home/maemo/workspace/systemuiplugin_alarm_dialog/src/osso-systemui-alarm.c:343: undefined reference to `remove_handler'" | 22:41 |
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| freemangordon | remove_handler is exported by /usr/bin/systemui | 22:41 |
| Pali | if you want to use some function from that executable, then it should be possible automatically (if symbols are exported) | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | yep, they are | 22:41 |
| Pali | and who wrote that error message? | 22:41 |
| Pali | gcc? | 22:42 |
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| freemangordon | the linker | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | yep | 22:42 |
| Pali | linker? | 22:42 |
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| freemangordon | well, gcc on link pass | 22:42 |
| Pali | then you are not building shred library | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | I am | 22:42 |
| Pali | *shared | 22:42 |
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| freemangordon | "arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc -shared .libs/libosso_systemui_alarm_la-osso-systemui-alarm.o /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so -L/usr/lib -lX11 -lalarm -lnotify -ldbus-glib-1 -ldbus-1 -lpthread -lhildon-1 -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so /usr/lib/libgio-2.0.so -lpangoft2-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lpangocairo-1.0 /usr/lib/libcairo.so -lpango-1.0 -lfreetype -lfontconfig /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so -l:/usr/bin/systemui -ltime -lhildon-plugins-notify-sv -Wl,-z -Wl,defs -Wl,-soname -Wl,libosso-systemui-alarm.so.0 -o .libs/libosso-systemui-alarm.so.0.0.0" | 22:42 |
| Pali | not, because when building shared libraries symbols are not dereferenced | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc -shared | 22:43 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, maybe I should pass -rdynamic? | 22:43 |
| Pali | wait | 22:43 |
| Pali | I will look how mce building modules | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | ok | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | yeah, mce is another good example | 22:44 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: would you create "osso-systemui-alarm" on gitorious? | 22:45 |
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| Pali | but I think that gcc -shared -fPIC -llib1 -llib2 -llib3 source.c -o lib.so should work | 22:45 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, -fPIC is missing, lets try with it | 22:45 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-systemui-alarm | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | thanks | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | Pali: no, didn;t help | 22:46 |
| Pali | freemangordon, push code, I can try to fix it | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ok | 22:47 |
| Pali | freemangordon, did you fixed it? | 23:00 |
| freemangordon | no, I am struggling with git :D | 23:01 |
| freemangordon | Pali: git@gitorious.org:community-ssu/osso-systemui-alarm.git | 23:02 |
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| Pali | btw, why are you using autotools? | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | hmm, why not? | 23:05 |
| Pali | because is slow? | 23:05 |
| Pali | and buggy? | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | you mean a simple AMkefile? | 23:05 |
| Pali | yes | 23:05 |
| Pali | simple Makefile | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | well, I am just reusing that, from vkbrenderer and such | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | I am foucuding on source code ;) | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | *focusing | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody knows if mentalist traceur has a irc nick/account? | 23:09 |
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| user_ | what is the fastest way to clone 2 n900s? | 23:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | backupmenu | 23:20 |
| ds3 | swap NAND and eMMC chips | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 23:20 |
| infobot | backupmenu is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 23:20 |
| internetishard | Can you make some recommendations on how to speed up my slow & unresponsive n900? http://pastebin.com/nQNhNryd | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | internetishard: reflash a clean new system | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll be amazed about speedup | 23:21 |
| vi_ | just installing backupmenu is a chore on a fresh, stock system. | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is it? | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | Pali: are you going to look at that now? | 23:22 |
| Pali | yes | 23:22 |
| Pali | it compiling fine | 23:23 |
| freemangordon | ok, thanks | 23:23 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 23:23 |
| Pali | without any hell link autotools | 23:23 |
| freemangordon | but won;t link | 23:23 |
| Pali | it link | 23:23 |
| freemangordon | whaaat? | 23:23 |
| Pali | but not using autotools | 23:23 |
| freemangordon | what compiler otions? | 23:23 |
| freemangordon | *options | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 23:23 |
| Pali | gcc -shared source.c -o lib.so <+included> | 23:24 |
| Pali | I do not understand why somebody using some autotools... | 23:24 |
| Pali | I will write full command line args with all libraries | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | autotools, da hell | 23:24 |
| vi_ | how best to lubricate the slider? | 23:24 |
| freemangordon | Pali: wait, there is an error in src/Makefile.am | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: pencil | 23:25 |
| Pali | I do not want to see any autosometing | 23:25 |
| freemangordon | wel, ok, fix it on gitorious | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: soft pencil | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: don't forget to first clean off all sticky rubbish | 23:26 |
| internetishard | DocScrutinizer: I just did - but then I restored the apps... | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | internetishard: ls -l /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db* | 23:30 |
| Pali | gcc osso-systemui-alarm.c `pkg-config --libs --cflags hildon-1 gconf-2.0 alarm libnotify gtk+-2.0 dbus-1 glib-2.0` -pthread -ltime -lm -lhildon-plugins-notify-sv -L/usr/lib/hildon-desktop -shared -o libsystemuiplugin_alarm_dialog.so -Wl,-soname -Wl,libsystemuiplugin_alarm_dialog.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/lib/hildon-desktop | 23:30 |
| Pali | freemangordon ^^^^ | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | internetishard: also get rid of greedy nonsensical desktop widgets | 23:30 |
| Pali | it will create same ELF library with same entires | 23:30 |
| Pali | freemangordon, can I remove that autotools and fix compiling? | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | Pali: of course | 23:32 |
| Pali | ok | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | but the command you pasted fails here | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | wait, it does not | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | it compiles ok | 23:33 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: in the meanwhile I will check if that works at all :D | 23:37 |
| internetishard | DocScrutinizer: I finally deleted el-v1.db because this phone message program doesn't know how to manage a db with limited resources | 23:40 |
| Pali | freemangordon, ok | 23:40 |
| Pali | and one note: more source files has executable permission, why? | 23:40 |
| internetishard | It's the same for the email app too - it won't display any emails before the network responds with new messages or not (which isn't good logic) | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't argue abut any of your points | 23:41 |
| internetishard | It's not so easy to just use an alternative app either | 23:42 |
| internetishard | due to integration, mostly, I guess | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not really using email on N900 (too small screen for my type of emails), and my el-v1.db is some 600k | 23:42 |
| vi____ | internetishard: Do you use gmail? | 23:42 |
| internetishard | I do | 23:43 |
| internetishard | DocScrutinizer it's like 600k to begin with! | 23:43 |
| vi____ | archive all mails >6months old. | 23:43 |
| internetishard | Mine was 25megs before I deleted it | 23:43 |
| internetishard | I don't use the archive feature | 23:43 |
| vi____ | INstant modest speed boost. | 23:43 |
| vi____ | internetishard: It is really good. | 23:43 |
| internetishard | modest doesn't have good gmail integration it seems | 23:44 |
| vi____ | internetishard: ??? | 23:44 |
| vi____ | it supports gmail folders. | 23:44 |
| internetishard | I can't actually search through all emails in my gmail | 23:44 |
| vi____ | modest can search?? | 23:44 |
| internetishard | Also, if I send it on my phone it isn't in gmail sent | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's an archive feature in messaging? | 23:44 |
| internetishard | modest can search what it has, but it can't search more than a few hundred emails ago | 23:44 |
| vi____ | internetishard: You are using imap right? | 23:44 |
| internetishard | afaik | 23:45 |
| vi____ | well, my saved drafts/sent mails end up in my gmail. | 23:45 |
| vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: There ia an archive feature in gmail. | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 23:45 |
| internetishard | incoming: imap.gmail.com, outgoing: smtp.gmail.com | 23:45 |
| vi____ | all your email is still there, just not in your inbox. | 23:45 |
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| internetishard | how to your saved and send end up in gmail? | 23:46 |
| vi____ | This stops modest fetching and storing 10,000 messages. | 23:46 |
| internetishard | I'd actually like it to fetch everything - but if it doesn't I'd like it to be able to search through everything in gmail | 23:46 |
| internetishard | and then fetch it, so I don't have to open a browser on the n900 to find it | 23:46 |
| vi____ | internetishard: the sent email ends up in the 'imap sent folder' | 23:46 |
| vi____ | internetishard: me too. | 23:46 |
| vi____ | however modest just does not have the guts. | 23:47 |
| internetishard | where's the imap sent folder? | 23:47 |
| vi____ | So use the gmail web interface. | 23:47 |
| vi____ | for heavy lifting. | 23:47 |
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| vi____ | internetishard: on gmail web interface, on left side in folder tree somewhere. | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly modest is really kinda rudimentary app, I'd rather use webmail than modest any time | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe keep modest for notification purposes on new mails | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but nothing beyond | 23:48 |
| internetishard | I don't see that anywhere | 23:48 |
| vi____ | it is good for quickly checking inbox. | 23:49 |
| internetishard | If a webapp can do it, shouldn't a native app be able to? | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | able?` yes. Actually does? hardly | 23:49 |
| vi____ | because nae cunt has written it. | 23:49 |
| internetishard | nae? | 23:49 |
| vi____ | scotiish | 23:50 |
| vi____ | nae==none | 23:50 |
| internetishard | bad ass, remembering | 23:50 |
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| vi____ | internetishard: you can use the gmail touch interface, | 23:51 |
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| vi____ | or gmail iphone interface. | 23:54 |
| vi____ | or if you feel really brutal, you can use claws mail. | 23:54 |
| vi____ | will an aluminium case make my n900 gsm reception really suck? | 23:57 |
| internetishard | Doesn't it already :P | 23:57 |
| vi____ | n900 gets good gsm reception. | 23:57 |
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