| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm using my own service ;-) | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for now I transmit snapshots via share service plugin that actually invokes a sftp shell command | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if I'd need more than that, I'd probably set up a fish mount | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sshfs, or even a VPN | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess sftp:// via midnight commander should be just fine for about everything I could think of | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and unlike dropbox I'm in full control of my files and what happens to them | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: fish mount? | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fish fs | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSHFS | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Files_transferred_over_shell_protocol | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course the term 'mount' been inappropriate | 00:21 |
| merlin1991 | isn't fish superseded by scp or something? | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, mc still speaks it, and superseded doesn't mean obsoleted | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah >>I guess sftp:// via midnight commander should be just fine for about everything I could think of | 00:23 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, do you have full discharge log from bq27200.sh? | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 00:54 |
| Pali | that you have on maemo wiki are not full | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I shortened it | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since the full log made wiki editor blow chunks | 00:56 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, when battery is not calibrated, the only way how to check battery is low, very low and empty is to look voltage | 00:57 |
| Pali | or is there any other way? | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only way | 00:58 |
| Pali | so I need to see some full discharge log and find candidate for it | 00:58 |
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| Pali | do you have some on internet? | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I found one you'll not like either | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lemme upload it for you | 00:58 |
| Pali | ok | 00:59 |
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| Pali | I see that we must change percentage capacity (in bme replacement) for status bar battery applet :-( because "very low" is when bme reports 0% | 01:00 |
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| Pali | very low should be EDV1 flag (from bq27200) and that is about 7% | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/bqlog-fullcycle.txt | 01:01 |
| Pali | ok, thanks | 01:01 |
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| Pali | hm, this is not good, because there is big step: | 01:03 |
| Pali | 06:12 3230 43 42 -777 883 865 865 65535 67 46 0 | 01:03 |
| Pali | 06:12 3238 7 7 -671 127 127 127 65535 11 46 1 | 01:03 |
| Pali | 42% to 7% is really big | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/n900-bq27log_til_empty.log | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ^^^ you'll like that one better | 01:12 |
| Pali | ok | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: btw EDV1 and EDVF flags are always working, and they have proper voltage comparators working for you | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter what's charge% | 01:18 |
| Pali | EDVF = empty, EDV1 = very_low | 01:18 |
| Pali | and I need something for LOW | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 01:18 |
| Pali | about 15% of capacity | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, you need voltage for that | 01:18 |
| Pali | yes | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you actually need that | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't see what for | 01:18 |
| Pali | I need to wait until my n900 discharge... | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOW isn't any state which the battery maintenance system would need to act upon | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you wanna start warning user about low battery | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but nothing to do for battery manager | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at 15% | 01:20 |
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| Pali | status area battery applet recognize: charging, charger conncted & fully charged, charger disconnected & fully charged, normal, low, very low, empty | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw it would be a very nice feature if user could actually set the level for bat-low-warning to kick in | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not hardcoded at 15% or whatever | 01:21 |
| StyXman | DocScrutinizer05: +1 | 01:21 |
| Pali | very low is when state=low && capacity=0 | 01:22 |
| Pali | low is when state=low && capacity!=0 | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 01:22 |
| Pali | empty is when state=empty | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | useless, since system shuts down 10s later anyway | 01:23 |
| Pali | (when empty dsme turning device off immediately) | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 01:23 |
| Pali | now very low is reported when EDV1 is set | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, it needs to detect empty to play that disgusting sound | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess | 01:24 |
| Pali | yes, you are right | 01:24 |
| Pali | but I need state for reporting LOW | 01:24 |
| Pali | so good candidate is percentage when battery is calibrated | 01:24 |
| Pali | or voltage when battery is not calibrated | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make that a config option to kick in anywhere between 6% and 99% | 01:25 |
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| Pali | ok | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 01:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you could use the 2nd URL I posted to set up a conversion table from voltage to %, if CI=1 | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't matter when your formula results in 10% off/error, since it's not the usual case and voltage anyway isn't that exact for telling % from it | 01:28 |
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| Lava_Croft | haha apple | 02:20 |
| Lava_Croft | http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/12kce9/apple_resizes_website_so_that_the_samsung_apology/c6vujgu | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | sigh | 02:23 |
| nox- | like kids in the sandbox... | 02:23 |
| Lava_Croft | apple seems to be biting its own tail this way | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | it even doesn't appear on a 1400px high display | 02:25 |
| Lava_Croft | zoom out | 02:25 |
| Lava_Croft | it resizes so you dont see it | 02:25 |
| Lava_Croft | i know a fix | 02:28 |
| merlin1991 | noscript ;) | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | lynx | 02:29 |
| Lava_Croft | put your 1920x1080 screen in portrait | 02:29 |
| Lava_Croft | it shows then | 02:29 |
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| Pali | ping MohammadAG | 03:30 |
| Pali | what to do with my merge request for status bar battery plugin? | 03:31 |
| Pali | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-applet-battery/merge_requests/1 | 03:31 |
| Pali | 1.5 years old | 03:32 |
| Pali | MAG wrote that he merge it after he push some changes to git | 03:32 |
| Pali | but I do not see any new commit | 03:32 |
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| merlin1991 | Pali: afaik there has been no further development on that plugin | 03:36 |
| Pali | merlin1991, MAG wrote that he has uncommited changes... | 03:39 |
| Pali | so he merge my request after he commit it... | 03:39 |
| Pali | but nothing happened | 03:39 |
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| Pali | anyway, I'm patching that statusbar for better BME replacement support | 03:40 |
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| archey | Hello world | 07:25 |
| archey | http://web.archive.org/web/20110703120502/http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot -- Is it still safe to use the 21.2011.38-1 kernel instead of the PR1.3? | 07:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | archey: why would you wanna do this? but probably the answer is a "yes, but..." | 11:13 |
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| archey | DocScrutinizer05: Why not dualboot maemo with meego? | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meego isn't supported anymore, but what I meant is: why not use uBoot as of now? why not use current pr1.3 kernel? | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw I'm not sure there ever been a 21.2011.38-1 kernel | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | archey: you nmight wanna look there: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Nokia_N900 | 11:36 |
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| vi__ | spoofy: yo | 12:38 |
| vi__ | Is there any chance I can have your nmap 6 deb again? | 12:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what's the issue with 'current' nmap? | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'd think that except for capture-all function it's pretty OS agnostic a tool, no? | 13:01 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: the current nmap is epicly broken. | 13:29 |
| vi__ | when you exit the program by ctrl+c it brakes the shell. | 13:30 |
| vi__ | nothing appears when you type until you have entered redet twice. | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mmmpf | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 13:30 |
| vi__ | ^reset | 13:30 |
| vi__ | furthermore it cannot be run as root. | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF??? | 13:31 |
| vi__ | it freaks out trying to figure out which interface to use. | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what else if not root could nmap run under anyway? | 13:31 |
| vi__ | if you specify an interface it still freaks out. | 13:31 |
| vi__ | sudo | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, interfaces been what I already mentioned (implicitly) above | 13:32 |
| vi__ | the only way to make it run is as sudo. | 13:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 13:32 |
| vi__ | even then only somje of the features work. | 13:32 |
| vi__ | as I said, utterly broken. | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sudo id tells me that any program run this way has user: "root" | 13:32 |
| vi__ | the user spoofy compiled a non optified version of nmap 6 and made a deb. | 13:33 |
| vi__ | it works perfectly. | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf wrong with optification?? | 13:33 |
| vi__ | but he took it down because he wanted to make zenmap work as well. | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like a fix applied due to not understanding the problem | 13:34 |
| vi__ | apart from being a kludge? | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't want a non-optified nmap just for the sake of somebody not getting the fundamental unix concepts used by optification | 13:35 |
| vi__ | spoofys nmap 6 worked fine, you just needed to copy+symlink to get your rootfs space back. | 13:35 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: it was just a quick compile. | 13:35 |
| vi__ | he had not gotten round to it yet. | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well move and symlink is exactly what maemo-optify* does | 13:36 |
| vi__ | yup. | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and for the life of me I can't see why an optified nmap would break while non-optified it worked | 13:36 |
| vi__ | anyway, instead of waiting for zenmap to happen (pah! gui nonsense!) I am bugging him to let me have the deb again. | 13:36 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I dont think optification had anything to do with the breakage. | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd bug nmap maintainer to update the friggin pkg | 13:37 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I highly doubt he is still around. | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then reclaim the pkg maintainership and do it :-D | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fame basically for free | 13:38 |
| vi__ | anyway, this evening I have set aside some time to try and set up SB on my new PC. | 13:38 |
| vi__ | I hate fame. | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 13:38 |
| vi__ | when I get SB set up I intend to start updating some packages that I like to use. | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my empathy on your SB install adventure | 13:39 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: once you have trie to set up bitbake, scratchbox is a holiday. | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but the rest of your plan is well worth the effort to install SB | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 13:40 |
| vi__ | I had it running before. | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I "know" bitbake from openembedded and SHR/Openmoko | 13:40 |
| vi__ | anyways I have to get to fixing my motorcycle. | 13:40 |
| vi__ | bitbake... | 13:40 |
| * vi__ shudder | 13:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *scream* | 13:41 |
| vi__ | the horror. | 13:41 |
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| vi__ | bitbake has literally turned me bald and ground potential years off my lifespan. | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I happily take that for true | 13:42 |
| teotwaki | bitbake sounds like something used to make bitcookies, the new bitcoin flavour. | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | EHLO teotwaki | 13:43 |
| teotwaki | Host DocScrutinizer05 | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, learning something old every other day: http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem obviously there been pretty comprehensive reasonings regarding optification - the more I wonder why we ended with what we got now | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway seems in | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification | 14:32 |
| infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a misconception: they *did* look at FHS, and for some reason rejected or ignored the resulting design decisions | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>You know, historically /usr exists entirely for the purpose of separating the application partition from the underlying system, which is exactly our problem. -> Make /usr another partition << LOL! | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect the issue been that this point is all down at bottom of this list, so everybody already picked his favorite before reaching it | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (just kidding - maybe) | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | hard to tell without insight into the actually process | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "All the core nokia software and libraries should be relocated to / or maybe a /maemo." Nokia: "WHAT THE HELL? Not gonna happen!" | 14:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also see recent ~poettering systemd-introduced fuckup of definition of /usr | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Lennart: "FHS? Pah, obsolete bullshit!" | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering | 14:43 |
| infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' | 14:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: actually it seems to me that they boggled from the hard cut they would've had to introduce with PR1.2 to get this flying | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's hardly any sane way to *upgrade* from a non-FHS optified system like PR1.1.1(?) and before to something obeying FHS and moving /usr to a separate partition mounted 'late' | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so better perpetuate bugs introduced in the past rather than make a clear cut and start all new while resetting current system config during the process. And then there's all the packages that might already rely on mess regarding /usr supposed to me part of kernel rootfs in early boot, and all those pkgs would break on the new system, unless fixed | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all the packages *in repo* | 14:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hard to tell if *any* of those packages would notice /usr missing during early boot - after all those 3rd-party pkgs are not exactly supposed to get started early | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem has a 'running gag' which is "speed? hard numbers?" | 14:52 |
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| * ShadowJK thinks extras should've been placed in /usr/extras/ or similar | 14:53 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL @ >>OneNAND performance figures: Sustained read performance: 108MB/s. Sustained write performance: up to 17MB/s<< | 14:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unless that's Mbit, they're delusional | 14:56 |
| ShadowJK | read sounds high | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 14:56 |
| * ShadowJK gets 20M/s | 14:59 | |
| ShadowJK | It's pretty pointless anyways | 15:01 |
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| ShadowJK | if it had 1M/s write speed it'd still be faster than emmc and all sd cards | 15:01 |
| ShadowJK | because it can be managed intelligently | 15:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# time dd if=/dev/mtd5ro of=/dev/null bs=1M count=100 100+0 records in 100+0 records out real 0m5.818s user 0m0.008s sys 0m5.250s | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -> 20MB/s as well | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though: t900:~# time cp /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive /dev/null real 0m2.459s user 0m0.016s sys 0m1.984s | 15:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29763056 Jan 22 2010 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB this is valid only for very first run, since after that it comes from buffer | 15:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# time dd if=/dev/mmcblk0p1 of=/dev/null bs=1M count=100 100+0 records in 100+0 records out real 0m6.722s user 0m0.000s sys 0m2.594s | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 20% slower | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watch the diffs in sys usage though | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while for mmc it seems iowait is the bottleneck, for OneNAND that's CPU performance | 15:14 |
| psychologe | l | 15:14 |
| psychologe | yes | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it might easily turn out that overall system performance is better on mmc | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: (1MB/s faster than...) well, that's for sure true for *writing*, just writing is maybe 1% of IO activity, possibly less | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | definitely for topic of a separate /usr partition on eMMC the writing should be next to zero | 15:20 |
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| ShadowJK | Yes, but writing a single file touches a minimum of two erase blocks, which in worst case creates 8M of read-modify-write cycles, which in class 10 card is almost a second's worth of latency, which blocks all pending (and future) reads for that duration | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so all the "we might move files to OneNAND aka /-fs if they are frequently read, to speed up stuff" reasoning seems rather moot | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: yes, sure. But that's irrelevant for evaluation pros and cons of proper separate /usr partition | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually keeping stuff that gets written to, like /var/log, on rootfs while moving stuff that needs frequent reads like /usr to eMMC would _cure_ that blocking issue | 15:25 |
| ShadowJK | Well yes, entire speed discussion is irrelevant to that. :P | 15:25 |
| ShadowJK | also moving /home (excluding MyDocs and opt) would help | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | moving to NAND? | 15:26 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sure | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but not without sane quota ;-) | 15:26 |
| ShadowJK | I get much better performance from gpodder after moving its dir to uSD :-) | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course only after killing trackerd/thumbnailerd with fire | 15:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders keeping ext3-journal on a different storage and forbid *any* writeback unless device locked and thus not interactive | 15:31 | |
| jon_y | what about using ext2? :) | 15:32 |
| jon_y | horrible idea that | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how's that helping to avoid 1second+ write lockups? | 15:33 |
| ShadowJK | ext2 performs worse in my experience | 15:33 |
| ShadowJK | the journal of ext3 acts a bit like a write cache, which helps reduce the stalls a bit | 15:34 |
| jon_y | well, ext2 has no journaling | 15:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you keep your journal on NAND or uSD, your eMMC will never get locked by write events in the way ShadowJK explained above, until you allow journal writeback to ext3 | 15:34 |
| ShadowJK | Writing *to* the journal on emmc/usd is almost "free", you take the hit once it starts putting stuff from journal to the correct places, but then you gain a little bit because it can benefit more from the ioscheduler getting fed more stuff at once | 15:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so while interactive, the device can read from eMMC full speed and doesn't see 'stalls' from write events, and when screen gets blanked (device locks, non-interactive period) the journal can get played back and stuff gets written to eMMC | 15:37 |
| ShadowJK | I played with the idea of using a *gigantic* journal, and gigantic writeback delay | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's exactly what I sketched above | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | virtually infinite writeback-delay | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until user goes inactive | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right moment to have some inevitable 'freezes' | 15:38 |
| ShadowJK | even better would be filesystems that only have journal, kinda like logfs ;p | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody will notice | 15:39 |
| jon_y | what happens if user did not shut down properly? | 15:39 |
| jon_y | battery too low, user unplug batter etc | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then journal gets replayed on next boot | 15:39 |
| ShadowJK | that's the point of journal | 15:39 |
| jon_y | so normally the data gets written twice? | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 15:40 |
| jon_y | ok, makes sense | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope so, otherwise God wasted energy when giving me my brain ;-D | 15:41 |
| ShadowJK | it's mounted with writeback option, metadata is written twice, filedata once | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure you need to tweak mount writeback options - among other stuff | 15:42 |
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| eyaler | ~ask does anyone know how to change the histogram region in FCam API? | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's that ~ask ?? | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ ~ | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~~ | 15:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~key | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf? | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack | 15:52 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: aw, gee | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask | 15:52 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 15:52 |
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| timmy | where can i get the kernel for cssu manually? | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | timmy: there's not yet any such thing like a kernel for CSSU | 16:46 |
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| timmy | there is, of course for cssu-thumb2 or something like this | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU is (and will remain to be) supposed to work with all kernels | 16:47 |
| timmy | i had to install kernel kernel power 51 or cssu kernel for cssu thumb2 | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though recently we're working to ship a kernel with bugfixes via CSSU, however optional | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu thumb is not same as cssu | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for thumb you need a bugfix in kernel | 16:48 |
| timmy | ok, then where can i get that? | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see #maemo-ssu | 16:51 |
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| spoofy | Ugh.. Hi / Hey / Hello :) | 19:13 |
| spoofy | Nmap and working version of PPP (PolishPwniePhone) will be ready atthe end of the month | 19:15 |
| spoofy | We made a newest metasploit with newest ruby1.9.2 working with postgres | 19:15 |
| Sicelo | looking forward :-) | 19:15 |
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| spoofy | Now I'm using N900 as my primary device to work with my server's | 19:16 |
| spoofy | So when I'm done this my n900 will be changed to dev device and I'll finish stuff ;) | 19:19 |
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| fasta | spoofy: isn't the n900 easy to exploit too? | 19:30 |
| fasta | spoofy: (because of old kernel, etc.) | 19:30 |
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| spoofy | fasta: yeah.. that's why u should always use iptables | 20:20 |
| spoofy | I'll not compile snort, psad and other things to maemo | 20:20 |
| spoofy | but at least I made a easy front-end script to iptables | 20:21 |
| spoofy | It's called Bulletproof firewall | 20:21 |
| spoofy | Will be released with PPP ;) | 20:21 |
| fasta | spoofy: acronym being? | 20:22 |
| spoofy | fasta: PPP? | 20:23 |
| fasta | spoofy: yes | 20:23 |
| spoofy | PolishPwniePhone ;) | 20:24 |
| spoofy | Polish - couse I"m polish :P That's why me english is not so well | 20:24 |
| spoofy | PwniePhone - couse inspiration to made it was PwniePhone | 20:24 |
| fasta | spoofy: I only would need something to semi-protect me from outside traffic, and preferably from browser exploits. | 20:24 |
| spoofy | But It's clean image | 20:24 |
| spoofy | fasta: I'm working on compiling new webkit and midori | 20:25 |
| fasta | Too bad security still comes at the 100th place. | 20:25 |
| fasta | spoofy: have you overclocked your phone? | 20:25 |
| spoofy | fasta: N900 non oc. is like a bike without wheels.. | 20:25 |
| fasta | spoofy: so, how did you overclock it? | 20:26 |
| spoofy | fasta: power-kernel-settings? | 20:26 |
| spoofy | U mean the profile or limits? | 20:26 |
| fasta | spoofy: frankly, I don't really have time to read through thousands of posts on t.m.o. | 20:26 |
| spoofy | fasta: Yeah.. me too | 20:26 |
| fasta | spoofy: some people had widgets to control this stuff. | 20:26 |
| spoofy | I always update searea - the siri clone but I don't have a time to check updates and progress | 20:27 |
| fasta | spoofy: it looked really cool and I was like: ok, I will have one of those, but then there are no clear instructions. | 20:27 |
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| spoofy | fasta: like vi said - gui is for n00bs :P | 20:27 |
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| fasta | spoofy: I am more of an Emacs person | 20:28 |
| fasta | spoofy: but I can use both | 20:28 |
| fasta | spoofy: in fact, I like both. | 20:28 |
| fasta | Isn't that insanity!? | 20:28 |
| spoofy | nope :) | 20:28 |
| fasta | I only think the VIM extension language is rather bad. | 20:28 |
| fasta | Emacs at least will some day become Guile based. | 20:29 |
| spoofy | I don't use any gui stuff on my desktop but one of my servers have a centos with fluxbox | 20:29 |
| spoofy | Isn't that insanity?! | 20:29 |
| fasta | No GUI stuff? | 20:29 |
| spoofy | I mean | 20:29 |
| spoofy | I like compiz and xfce for example | 20:29 |
| fasta | Those are certainly GUIs. | 20:29 |
| fasta | I know people who run without X. | 20:30 |
| spoofy | but it's only for making transparent terminals look more fancy :) | 20:30 |
| fasta | I think they are insane, though. | 20:30 |
| fasta | spoofy: I use gestures too. | 20:30 |
| fasta | spoofy: for opening terminals of course. | 20:30 |
| spoofy | fasta: u mean - mouse/pointer gestures? | 20:31 |
| fasta | spoofy: yes | 20:31 |
| spoofy | I prefer keyboard shortcuts :) | 20:31 |
| fasta | spoofy: I also have those. | 20:31 |
| fasta | spoofy: depends a bit on where my hand is. | 20:31 |
| spoofy | fasta: that's why I love ibm/lenovo T series notebooks :) | 20:32 |
| spoofy | my hands are always on the keyboard | 20:32 |
| spoofy | fasta: so.. You want to overclock your n900, right? | 20:33 |
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| spoofy | You have any SSU or CSSU? | 20:34 |
| fasta | spoofy: yes, because by default it's rather sluggish. | 20:34 |
| fasta | spoofy: CSSU | 20:34 |
| spoofy | fasta: what kinda cssu? Stable, testing, thumb? | 20:34 |
| fasta | spoofy: where can I see that? | 20:34 |
| fasta | spoofy: I have ssh on the phone. | 20:35 |
| spoofy | First of all I suggest you to read t.m.o ;) | 20:35 |
| fasta | spoofy: I just forgot. | 20:35 |
| fasta | spoofy: I do know where I can see the version. | 20:35 |
| fasta | spoofy: stable | 20:35 |
| Sicelo | Settings > About Community SSU | 20:35 |
| spoofy | good old uname? | 20:35 |
| spoofy | Ok.. stable | 20:36 |
| spoofy | Hmm.. It's like a redhat stuff.. I prefer some bleeding edge feel with thumb | 20:36 |
| fasta | spoofy: I do prefer things that work. | 20:37 |
| spoofy | I think you must install a powerkernel with power-kernel-settings | 20:37 |
| spoofy | reboot and load it from terminal like > kernel-power load <profile> | 20:37 |
| spoofy | that how I did it last time when I had stable cssu | 20:38 |
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| vi_ | yo | 21:42 |
| vi_ | is it possible to have 2 scratchbox targets? | 21:43 |
| MrPingu | Hi vi_ | 21:43 |
| vi_ | pingu! | 21:43 |
| vi_ | thumb2 and regular maemo for example? | 21:43 |
| MrPingu | Yes ;) | 21:43 |
| MrPingu | After default sb-setup you have i386 and armel target | 21:45 |
| MrPingu | You can add thumb to that list | 21:45 |
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| vi_ | tonight I shall set up scratchbox. | 21:46 |
| vi_ | while listening to an audiobook of dune with mrs vi_ | 21:46 |
| vi_ | What a glorious evening! | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like mere fun | 21:57 |
| fil | what does one need to do to install the T-maemo versions later than T-maemo3.1 (which is what my n900 seems to have settled on, rather than 5.1 which I see mentioned in the CSSU changelog) ... and is doing so a good idea | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a good idea, and usually updates should come as SSU (you see, the name ;-D ) | 21:58 |
| fil | well, quite | 21:58 |
| fil | hence the question | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if update doesn't show up in HAM for you, there's sth wrong with either your MP-community-PR pkg, or with your vcatalogs, or with HAM in general | 21:59 |
| fil | I normally use the Faster Aplication Manager, but I'll give HAM a kick to see if it does anything different ... | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when however you installed CSSU via apt, fapman, or other unsupported method, then ... well, no support, since we got no idea what's the state of your system | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fapman is *deprecated* and known to not work and even fsckup CSSU (as it does with all maemo installations sooner or later) | 22:01 |
| fil | I _think_ I did all CSSU updates when prompted by HAM, but not 100% sure | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fapman doesn't need to deal with CSSU update to mess up CSSU | 22:02 |
| fil | ah, that'll be it then :-) | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it does autoremove on arbitrary occasions | 22:02 |
| * fil wonders why it was necessary for Nokia's devs to pretty much ignore Debian's dependency system when cobbling Maemo together, but that's probably my Debian background showing through ;-) | 22:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it's been driven by mere "we don't need to deal with that cruft" | 22:05 |
| fil | it would be nice to be able to do a "apt-get dist-upgrade" without it totally killing the device, for instance (which is a mistake I made almost immediately after getting my first n900) | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | say "thank you Nokia" | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm struggling hard to convince everybody involved into CSSU development that we need to get rid of this MP abomination and re-establish sane dependencies | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some "lazy" devels prefer to stick with the Nokia "way" | 22:07 |
| fil | so, the answer to my question is: flash your spare n900 down to the ground, install CSSU, and never touch fapman again ? | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and Nokia philosophy to forcefeed users an all-or-nothing package | 22:08 |
| fil | DocScrutinizer05: that would be a very good thing to do -- good luck | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: I'd try to apt-get install --force-reinstall(?) MP-community-PR | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something along that line (the names are all wrong though) | 22:09 |
| fil | just --reinstall I think | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 22:10 |
| fil | ok, I'll give that a go | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and MP-community-PR is also slightly differentöly named | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache search community should help | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, tired | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mp-fremantle-community-pr | 22:12 |
| fil | apt-get --reinstall install mp-fremantle-community-pr | 22:12 |
| fil | yup | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good luck | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if that fails, you still could try to simply install CSSU-T again | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | without prior reflashing | 22:13 |
| fil | would it not be a good idea to flush fapman off of people's systems by having one of these CSSU packages conflict with it? (or has that already happened, and I missed it because I'm not getting updates?) | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, nice idea | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we probably should make improved HAM conflict with fapman | 22:16 |
| spoofy | vi_: read channel logs for my answer about nmap ;) | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the problem though is, iirc, that HAM doesn't resolve conflicts (yet) | 22:17 |
| vi_ | spoofy: I do not have the channel logs. | 22:18 |
| vi_ | care to repeat the answer? | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as soon as anything conflicts, it just throws that annoying "use PC-Suite" error | 22:18 |
| fil | DocScrutinizer05: oh, of course it doesn't (that makes so much sense ;-) ) | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least we nuked that idiotic advice regarding "use PCsuite" now, along with some minor bugfixes and speedups, in CSSU HAM | 22:19 |
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| vi_ | the wiki instructions on setting up scratchbox are wrong. | 22:21 |
| spoofy | vi_: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html ;) | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus CSSU HAM re-introduced red-pill mode | 22:21 |
| fil | BTW that reminds me, is there a way of shutting up the "Do you agree to these terms" that happen on upgrades? (of course I agree with the sodding terms, at least for the Free stuff) | 22:21 |
| vi_ | 5. Since Scratchbox Hathor is based on Debian Squeeze, and the SDK script assumes etch is to be used, we need to make a small change to it: | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: HAM is opensource | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 22:21 |
| vi_ | The instruction should say something a bit more generic. | 22:21 |
| fil | DocScrutinizer05: yes, I know -- although I _was_ thinking more in terms of a configuration option than: Step 1, set up your cross compliation environment... | 22:23 |
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| fil | DocScrutinizer05: Hmm, no change there -- when you say "simply install CSSU-T again" what do you mean? (sorry about this, but I always feel like I missed the induction session when reading the CSSU docs) | 22:29 |
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| fil | DocScrutinizer05: BTW I do have 2 n900's at least in part so that I can flash one back to the metal while still being able to make phone calls, so if the only sure route to a sane phone is by doing that, it's no great hardship | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: seriously, you're missing instructions on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU ? | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: I meant: click that icon on that page again | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: btw what happened in detail when -reinstall-ing mp-fremantle-community-pr ? | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also, did you update before doing so? | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: what's the result of `apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr` ? | 22:40 |
| fil | nope, I'm not missing instructions on that page ... but I seem to have been missing that page entierly of late. Is it linked to from anywhere obvious on the maemo.org site? | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, I think so, yes | 22:41 |
| fil | I didn't do an update immediately prior to the reinstall, so I'll just try that | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we had that advertisment banner upper right | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (not here, since I'm using a different skin/theme) | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do an update, then a apt-cache policy | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see what's your installed mp-fremantle-community-pr, and what's the latest available version | 22:43 |
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| fil | Ah, I see -- seems that HAM thinks I have "no catalogues in use" which explains why it's no longer doing any updates | 22:47 |
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| vi__ | lxterm fucking piece of fucking shit. | 22:48 |
| fil | apt-get is offering to do a fairly substantial update now -- am I to believe that HAM fapman and apt are all using independent package lists locally? | 22:49 |
| vi__ | Scratchbox login executable... no │20:48 [ ZogG_laptop ] | 22:50 |
| vi__ | E: Scratchbox login found but not executable by user. | 22:50 |
| vi__ | wtf this means | 22:50 |
| vi__ | ? | 22:50 |
| vi__ | anyone? | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | ? | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | what is the problem with SB? | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | did you logoff/logon after installing SB? | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | vi__: ^^^ | 22:53 |
| vi__ | yes, I even went as far as closing the shell. | 22:54 |
| vi__ | unless of course you mean I should go init 2 | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | on "scratchobox/login" does not work? | 22:54 |
| fil | vi__: looks like it's owned by root, and not executable by all, so you (as the user "user") are not alloed to execute it | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | fil: but SB is not supposed to be run as root | 22:55 |
| vi__ | all the executables in /scratchbox/sbin have executable flag set for everyone. | 22:55 |
| fil | ah, it's trying to run "login" is it? (I know nothing about maemo really, so am just falling back on *nix experience BTW) | 22:55 |
| freemangordon | vi__: is the above the result of "/scratchbox/login"? | 22:56 |
| vi__ | ... | 22:56 |
| vi__ | executable flag not set for user. | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: kinda different lists, yeah | 22:57 |
| vi__ | hur dur. | 22:57 |
| freemangordon | what distro is that? | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though they update one the other, or rather supplement | 22:57 |
| vi__ | debian testing | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: you should start HAM and see if it offers an update now | 22:57 |
| fil | DocScrutinizer05: genius | 22:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: wait for several minutes, HAM might still need quite a while until the update shows up | 22:58 |
| vi__ | debian wheezy | 22:58 |
| freemangordon | vi__: hmm, I think someone had problems with newer distros | 22:58 |
| fil | DocScrutinizer05: BTW, what I did to fix things (which I seem to have done) is: apt-get update ; apt-get install hildon-application-manager | 22:58 |
| vi__ | jesus christ, dont tell me even our compiler environment is now obsolete. | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey :-) | 22:59 |
| freemangordon | vi__: why not just download vmware image and give it a shot | 22:59 |
| fil | yeah, it's now offering me ....5.1 | 22:59 |
| vi__ | where? | 22:59 |
| freemangordon | that is what I use, NP at all | 22:59 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: I would like that. | 23:00 |
| freemangordon | on Nokia's maemo SDK page | 23:00 |
| vi__ | linky? | 23:00 |
| vi__ | is that the maemo wiki | 23:00 |
| vi__ | ? | 23:00 |
| freemangordon | just a minute | 23:00 |
| vi__ | I have found it. | 23:00 |
| freemangordon | be careful to download PR1.3 version | 23:01 |
| fil | ah, I see, now HAM dies because I didn't let get apt to deal with the dependencies, so let's do that now... | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | noo | 23:01 |
| MrPingu | That image is an wonderful SDK, everything you need without hassling with setting-up | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, HAM most probably doesn't 'die' | 23:01 |
| vi__ | Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Server_SDK_Virtual_Image.zip 232057407 Maemo Ubuntu Intrepid Server virtual SDK image | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it just takes loooong | 23:02 |
| vi__ | Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z 1457450621 Maemo Ubuntu Lucid Desktop virtual SDK image (Fremantle PR1.3) | 23:02 |
| vi__ | Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Server_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.zip 591051761 Maemo Ubuntu Lucid Server virtual SDK image | 23:02 |
| vi__ | ^which? | 23:02 |
| freemangordon | hold on till I check | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: check your catalog list | 23:02 |
| fil | DocScrutinizer05: no, sorry, let's say "chokes" :-) | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though, that should be ok, just make sure toi disable extras-devel and -testing, as they make HAM take forever | 23:03 |
| freemangordon | vi__: Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z | 23:03 |
| fil | this is doing the job though: apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr | 23:03 |
| freemangordon | vi__: 1457450621 Maemo Ubuntu Lucid Desktop virtual SDK image (Fremantle PR1.3) | 23:03 |
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| fil | at least, it's dragging in a load of packages, which seemed to be the ones that made HAM choke and mutter about PC Suites | 23:04 |
| vi__ | mmm | 23:05 |
| vi__ | only 10 hours remaining at 31 kb/s. | 23:06 |
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| vi__ | -_- | 23:06 |
| * fil boggles at the effort that seems to have been applied by Nokia to subtly break things that work fine in Debian --- Microsoft are welcome to them ;-) | 23:06 | |
| freemangordon | vi__: WHAAAT? | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | anyway, once you have it up and running - do not upgrade in guest OS | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: should work as well, if you got the proper catalog/repo (which you obviously got since otherwise you couldn't install the MP) | 23:08 |
| vi__ | Ok | 23:09 |
| vi__ | I have altered the script to think I have debian squeeze. | 23:09 |
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| fil | does not including diff in busybox actually save any worthwhile amount of space? (it's a bit tiresome not being able to diff configuation file changes) | 23:14 |
| vi__ | fil: Nothing about busybox is worth it. | 23:15 |
| vi__ | The crippled tools do not justify the small space saving. | 23:15 |
| vi__ | At least not an a maemo device anyway. | 23:16 |
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| fil | vi__: having spent years sodding about with d-i, I somehow have a soft spot for busybox, but it seems unlikely that leaving diff out is saving anything noticeable -- and as you say, the n900 is perfectly capable of running the real tools, I'd think -- smacks of premature optimisation to me, presumably by embedded engineers who _knew_ _best_ | 23:18 |
| freemangordon | vi__: the rule to not upgrade is that at some point kernel upgrade breaks qemu and dh_helper is not able to build some packages anymore | 23:22 |
| MrPingu | If those maemo-bootscripts weren't that messy, we probably would running full utils already? | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: indeed | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: anyway, get bash plus proper tools | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since: | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox | 23:23 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also see: | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 23:24 |
| infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: nota bene I don't suggest to replace busybox by anything, au contraire: keep stock busybox for boot, use proper bash and unixtools in your interactive shell | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: I bet you're aware there's no limitations of any kind regarding concurrent installation of different shells | 23:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | busy box is measurably faster in some cases | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just get your $PATH right in your interactive shells | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | when it comes to forking | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | internal tool startup is very light | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: so what? if I'd bother about that, I still could use `busybox cmd` isntead of `cmd` | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean for boot | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in my interactive shell and scripts | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | vi was arguing there is no reason | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | should have clarifies | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | d | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah, for boot messybox is absolutely fine | 23:27 |
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| fil | does it win over e.g. dash? (I'd guess it does for the builtin stuff) | 23:31 |
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| MrPingu | I think would sacrafice slower boot for bash + full gnu tools :P | 23:37 |
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| vi__ | me too. | 23:42 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: do you know, is it possible for OSS radeon driver to mimic closed source behaviour when there is second display attached | 23:47 |
| freemangordon | i.e. to play videos fulscreen on second display | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | *fullscreen | 23:48 |
| Pali | freemangordon, do you want to play fullscreen video on other display? | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | yep | 23:48 |
| Pali | this is not driver, but application problem | 23:49 |
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| freemangordon | but closed source driver does it without application support AFAIK | 23:49 |
| freemangordon | at least under windows it behaves like that | 23:49 |
| Pali | I do not understand now... you can move any window to any from randr | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | and according to google the same happens under linux | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | naah | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | my second display is actually a tv-set | 23:50 |
| Pali | did you started second Xserver for second display? | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | no | 23:50 |
| Pali | or you configured output via xrandr? | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | i configured it via "displays" in ubuntu :D | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | NFC what it does | 23:51 |
| freemangordon | and it works, np with that | 23:51 |
| Pali | can you move that window to second display? | 23:51 |
| freemangordon | (excluding that id did not recognoze the supported resolutions) | 23:51 |
| Pali | s/display/output/ | 23:51 |
| infobot | Pali meant: can you move that window to second output? | 23:51 |
| freemangordon | yes | 23:51 |
| freemangordon | but I don;t want that | 23:52 |
| Pali | hm, then problem is in application I think | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | i want overlay cloned fullscreen on the second display | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | NFC if overlays are used at all | 23:52 |
| Pali | do you have second output clone of first? | 23:53 |
| freemangordon | no | 23:53 |
| freemangordon | and I don;t want to | 23:53 |
| Pali | ok, so you want 2 outputs: 1. monitor and 2. tv, right? | 23:53 |
| freemangordon | as I am seeing only the back of the second monitor (tv-set) | 23:53 |
| freemangordon | yep | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | and I have them | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | bot heads work | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | *both | 23:54 |
| Pali | and problem is that if you change in your app mode from window to fullscreen it move window to first output? | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | second one shows only background, but that is normal | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | no, lemme explain again | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | under XP, when I play a video, I can setup CCC to output the overlay fullscreen on the second display. without it being fullscreen/maximised on the first | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | it is called "theater mode" or something | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | is it clear now? | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | actually it is the same on n900 :D | 23:57 |
| freemangordon | you play video in mediaplayer and have the same video cloned fullscreen on TV-out | 23:57 |
| Pali | what is CCC? | 23:58 |
| freemangordon | catalyst control center | 23:58 |
| freemangordon | driver UI | 23:58 |
| Pali | I do not know how it worked on winxp, but is this correct: you want to tell mplayer to play fullscreen video on tvout output? | 23:59 |
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