| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| _Lena | ok | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do `root` | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then run script | 00:00 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: root | 00:00 |
| _Lena | root | 00:00 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: that kernel seems to be a zombie? | 00:00 |
| _Lena | ..i have to put it in sudoers | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | do not use sudo | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can do, sure | 00:01 |
| _Lena | i am doing a ssh as root from my pc ! | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but just doing `sudo gainroot`, or better `root` | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | then just ./bq27200.sh | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: ^^^ | 00:02 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ping | 00:02 |
| Pali | freemangordon, pong | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi Pali :-D | 00:02 |
| Pali | hi :-) | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | Pali: IIRC someone reported the same "unable to flash" on KP thread, do you remember what is was? | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | *it | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you raided stock kernel and replaced it by Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-bfs ? ;-) | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | i.e. flasher reports success, but it still boots the old kernel | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: low battery | 00:04 |
| Pali | multiboot | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or that | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 00:04 |
| Pali | it flashing kernel on startup | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 00:04 |
| _Lena | no answer from the script | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot | 00:04 |
| infobot | [maemo-multiboot] deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: o.O | 00:04 |
| _Lena | only the promt | 00:05 |
| Pali | sometimes when I flashed stock or power kernel in qemu softupd wrote timeout and killed flasher | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | Pali: how to check if multiboot is installed? | 00:05 |
| Pali | and nothing was flashed | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | dpkg -l | grep multiboot? | 00:05 |
| Pali | but flasher show me that new version was flashed | 00:06 |
| freemangordon | Pali: flasher reported sucess | 00:06 |
| freemangordon | *success | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: could you source the script? (`. bq27200.sh` instead `bq27200.sh`) | 00:06 |
| Pali | dpkg -l multiboot | 00:06 |
| Pali | or apt-cache policy multiboot | 00:06 |
| Pali | or apt-cache show multiboot | 00:07 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: lets see if there is multiboot installed first | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I still recommend full COMBINED :-D | 00:07 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: dpkg -l | grep multi | 00:07 |
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| _Lena | yes i got multiboot loader+kernel | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yaqy | 00:10 |
| freemangordon | wipe that. | 00:10 |
| _Lena | and what means "source the script ? | 00:10 |
| freemangordon | Pali: how to remove multiboot? | 00:10 |
| freemangordon | apt-get remove? | 00:11 |
| Pali | dpkg -P multiboot? | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | set -v; source ./bq27200.sh | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | `.` being a shortcut for `source` | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (eventually you want to revert the debug flag v, by `set +v`) | 00:12 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it looks like HW is ok, lets fix the SW part | 00:12 |
| _Lena | sorry, i dont understand | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: the commandline is: | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | set -v; source ./bq27200.sh | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: see ~maemo-multiboot | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: not a single instance where a user recovered from multiboot without reflash | 00:13 |
| freemangordon | I don't want to see anything multiboot related :P | 00:13 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 00:14 |
| _Lena | i installed multiboot to check if the n900 chaarges unde nitdroid, but the installation on ny sd failed | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: the suggested sourcing of bq27200.sh should display line by line the exewcution of that script, telling us where it fails | 00:15 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: though..., for reflash one need working rootfs IIRC | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 00:15 |
| freemangordon | or no rootfs at all | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF??? | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | are you insane? | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flashing rootfs does not need a working rootfs | 00:15 |
| freemangordon | me? no, just tired :D | 00:16 |
| _Lena | yes that is what i expected too, vii shows the content, but when running there is no output on the terminal | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's really strange | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: vi? | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus I suggested sourcing instead executing the script, which would show line by line | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: paste "set -v; source ./bq27200.sh" without quotes in your terminal | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could even make that `set -vx ... ` | 00:18 |
| _Lena | i used "vi", just to check if it downloaded corect | 00:18 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 00:18 |
| _Lena | ok | 00:18 |
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| _Lena | now i see the script | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like: | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# . bin/bq27200.sh | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | + . bin/bq27200.sh | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ++ RS=22 | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | set -x | 00:20 |
| _Lena | i got rs=21 | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then again: . ./bq27200.sh | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't matter too much | 00:20 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: can you just pastebin the whole output | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there should be lines like | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ++ echo -n . | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | .+++ i2cget -y 2 0x55 0x08 w | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually what's last line displayed after `set -vx; source ./bq27200.sh` | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or last 2 lines even | 00:23 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 suspects the script can't find i2cget and silently fails | 00:24 | |
| _Lena | i get Need ./i2cget | 00:25 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hehe | 00:25 |
| _Lena | it iis installed | 00:25 |
| _Lena | why cant yoou giveme the address for the i2c | 00:26 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: /usr/bin ? | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure where it's usually installed | 00:26 |
| freemangordon | which i2cget? | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: could you issue cmd `i2cget --help` ? | 00:27 |
| _Lena | ok | 00:27 |
| _Lena | what do you need | 00:27 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: "which i2cget" sounds better | 00:27 |
| freemangordon | it will give her the path to the binary | 00:28 |
| _Lena | ok, that makes sens | 00:28 |
| freemangordon | so bq... script to be executed from there | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: wget http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27200.sh | 00:28 |
| _Lena | ok it is in /usr/sbin | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ that one not checking for a special location of i2cget | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #if [ ! -e i2cget ] ; then | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #echo "Need i2cget" | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #return | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #fi | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | insane, basically | 00:30 |
| _Lena | thhis one works | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I commented it out | 00:30 |
| _Lena | which row you need | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do ./bq27200.sh 5 | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gives one line | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then abort by ^C | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | second col is mV, we would like to see that | 00:32 |
| _Lena | Reported Battery Voltage: 4047 mV | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5th col is mA, that shows if your battery is actually charging (negative values) or discharging | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this voltage should be fine for flashing :-o | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though sth >4100 would be better I guess | 00:34 |
| ShadowJK | freemangordon, can you explain how you're handling the swap now? | 00:34 |
| _Lena | SI: 20 mA STTE: 0 minutes | 00:34 |
| ShadowJK | is kernel-cssu2 an alias for kernelpower :/ | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, SI isn't that interesting | 00:35 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: when a page comes it goes compressed to the compressed memory pool and uncompressed to the write queue | 00:35 |
| _Lena | its the 5th row | 00:35 |
| ShadowJK | Well, it's both empty and reaching full | 00:36 |
| ShadowJK | _Lena, you forgot the 5 after ./bq27200.sh | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: I told to run it with parameter 5, then go for 5th col, not 5th row | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mv RSOC CSOC mA NAC CACD CACT TTF TTE TEMP | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 23:31 4177 100 100 -16 1144 1144 1144 65535 7560 32 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0 | 00:36 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: when write queue has 128 pages to be written, I write them to flash | 00:37 |
| freemangordon | when there is no more memory fro the compressed pool, i free 128 pages | 00:37 |
| freemangordon | s/fro/in/ | 00:37 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: when there is no more memory in the compressed pool, i free 128 pages | 00:37 |
| _Lena | if i begiin whith do i get an error so i typed sh ./bq27200.sh | 00:38 |
| ShadowJK | How big is the compressed pool? | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, it's not that relevant now | 00:39 |
| _Lena | CSOC: 0 % RSOC: 0 % Average Current: 177 mA TTF: 65535 minutes TTE: 0 minutes NAC: 0 mAh CACD: 0 mAh CACT: 0 mAh SI: 20 mA STTE: 0 minutes MLI: 934 mA MLTTE: 0 minutes AR: 0 mA ARTTE: 65535 minutes Last Measured Discharge: 1869 mAh Cycle Count since Learning: 1 Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 1 Reported Battery Voltage: 4004 mV Battery Gauge die Temperature: 30 C Flags: 0x10 Charge:0 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:1 CALIP:0 VDQ:0 EDV1:0 E | 00:39 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: a parameter, I used 16MiB for testing | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: `chmod +x ./bq27200.sh` | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: bq27200.sh 5 | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: `bq27200.sh 5` | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (don't type the ` ) | 00:41 |
| ShadowJK | freemangordon, so is kernel-cssu3 a separate kernel or alias for kp? | 00:41 |
| _Lena | sh: syntax error: "do" unexpected | 00:41 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: it is KP | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that was never meant to get typed as well | 00:41 |
| ShadowJK | ok | 00:41 |
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| freemangordon | v 51r1 | 00:41 |
| _Lena | sorry, i dindnt know that...now i got results | 00:42 |
| _Lena | -168ma | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I changed my "syntax" several times :-) I'll try to use `cmd paramater` syntax now | 00:42 |
| _Lena | updating every 5 sec | 00:42 |
| freemangordon | hmm, it is charging :D | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stop it with ctrl + c | 00:43 |
| _Lena | ok | 00:43 |
| _Lena | are you shure that it is charging !? | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's TTE ? | 00:44 |
| _Lena | tte=0 | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looks like it's neither charging nor discharging | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather looks like bogus values | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-o | 00:45 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: what is the output of "lsmod | grep bq" | 00:46 |
| _Lena | when i leave the phone over night conected whithg the charger it will not charge up | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | wihtout quotes | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Average Current (mA, 5th col) shall be negative while charging | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | -168ma ?!? | 00:46 |
| _Lena | not loaded | 00:46 |
| _Lena | yes it shows values between -232 and - 111 | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err wait | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I often confuse those 2 | 00:47 |
| _Lena | and the voltage varies !...very strange | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, in fact negative current seems to indicate discharge | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | varying voltage is normal | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the higher the discharge current the weaker the voltage | 00:49 |
| _Lena | yes, normal, forgot the high resistance of lion | 00:50 |
| freemangordon | anyway, the question is why flashing cannot be started | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TTE = 65535 means it's charging | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TimeToEmpty of anything less means it's discharging | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the value is in minutes | 00:51 |
| freemangordon | TTE: 0 | 00:51 |
| freemangordon | TTF: 65535 | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's same as 65535 it seems | 00:52 |
| freemangordon | but it is TTF, not TTE | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 23:47 4180 100 100 0 1145 1145 1145 0 65535 32 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0 | 00:52 |
| freemangordon | <_Lena> CSOC: 0 % RSOC: 0 % Average Current: 177 mA TTF: 65535 minutes TTE: 0 minutes | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TTE = 0 would mean it actually is completely discharged | 00:53 |
| freemangordon | bq reports nonsense | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah | 00:53 |
| freemangordon | but? | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's massively decalibrated | 00:54 |
| freemangordon | that should not stop BME to start charging AIUI | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure not | 00:54 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, "not charging, insufficient power" | 00:55 |
| _Lena | could be decalibrated, because of swapping permanently the batteries maybe | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing | 00:55 |
| freemangordon | at least BME tries to | 00:55 |
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| freemangordon | _Lena: what wall charger do you use, original Nokia? | 00:56 |
| freemangordon | 1200mA | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watch voltage, if it rises then battery gets charge, if it drops you're discharging it | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, no use in trying to fix that mess, reflash when your battery has >4100mV | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if that doesn't work, we need to check your PC | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it should however pass the NOLO battery test | 00:58 |
| _Lena | Yes, but since 1 month i cant use it anymore. since then i bought a charger where i can put my battery in for charging | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the wallcharger might be defect | 00:58 |
| freemangordon | since you installed kernel-bfs? | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unrelated | 00:59 |
| freemangordon | i know, but still | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 00:59 |
| _Lena | then same effect like charging in the nokia 5800 from my friend | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: try to get a completely charged battery (voltage >4100mV), then try flashing again | 01:00 |
| _Lena | ok, i got another battery, charged whith 4.19 volt | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could you test it with bq27200.sh prior to proceeding to flash? | 01:01 |
| freemangordon | well I still think it might be that part of NOLO is damaged | 01:01 |
| _Lena | ok, | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: we never seen such thing yet | 01:02 |
| freemangordon | I know | 01:02 |
| freemangordon | but it is not hard to be achieved | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's however very hard to ruin NOLO like THAT | 01:02 |
| freemangordon | well, if the code for flashing is at the end of the partition, imagine. | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how would you nuke the end of partition? | 01:03 |
| freemangordon | NFC | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | me neither ;-P | 01:04 |
| freemangordon | but in principle | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in principle you could write a nifty program that accomplishes that | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ech foobar >mtd will nuke start of partition, not end | 01:04 |
| freemangordon | you will have a working kernel loader and wd kicking when you try to reflash | 01:04 |
| freemangordon | and AIUI it is what happens, WD kicks in | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 01:05 |
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| freemangordon | but? MOLO tries to charge the battery? | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it tries to boot linux, and fails on that | 01:05 |
| freemangordon | when 'u'is pressed? | 01:06 |
| _Lena | ok it shows 4139 mv | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | very good | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now see if you can get it to keep USB icon on NOKIA screen when holding 'u' key | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do NOT run flasher on PC, when plugging in | 01:07 |
| _Lena | usualy i cant, but i will try | 01:07 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: isn;t it better to use wall charger instead of PC | 01:07 |
| freemangordon | ? | 01:07 |
| freemangordon | for battery chaeck | 01:07 |
| freemangordon | *check | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if wallcharger is borked, it will confuse hell out of us | 01:07 |
| ShadowJK | freemangordon, I like what I see in iostat so far | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, it should get tested with both PC *and* wallcharger | 01:08 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: iostat -k 1 gives between 256k and 4M, depending on how big the queue is | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | freemangordon, I like what I see in the avrq-sz column | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: try with both - PC and wallcharger, if any of both can make N900 keep the USB icon | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | I'm used to seeing more reads when using fennec though, maybe that's all going through the compressed pool now | 01:10 |
| freemangordon | as queue is written async, we may have lots more to write, when the writing starts | 01:10 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: are you trying it? | 01:10 |
| _Lena | when the phone is off and i plug in the usbcable the phone starts imidietly whith the reboot-loop, no usb symbol | 01:10 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: see | 01:11 |
| freemangordon | it is NOLO | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: you are holding down the u key all the time? | 01:11 |
| _Lena | yes | 01:11 |
| ShadowJK | freemangordon, yes on my backup n900 | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what power source you used? | 01:11 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: have in mind to not use it for more than 5-10 minutes | 01:11 |
| freemangordon | once all of the blacks onm BSWAP device are used, you'll get oops | 01:12 |
| freemangordon | *blocks | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: what power source you used? | 01:12 |
| ShadowJK | hehe | 01:12 |
| _Lena | battery | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S you either used PC or wallcharger | 01:12 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: I did't write defragmentation part, as I am not sure it makes sense | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: try with both - PC and wallcharger, if any of both can make N900 keep the USB icon | 01:13 |
| freemangordon | i.e. if the basic functionality is broken... | 01:13 |
| _Lena | how can i conect the wallcharrger whhen i want the usb icon ? | 01:13 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: in the same way | 01:14 |
| _Lena | i thhoght i only coomes when i conect the phone ton my pc | 01:14 |
| freemangordon | no | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: power down N900, hold u key, plug in wallcharger | 01:14 |
| freemangordon | it should come when you use walcharger too | 01:14 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 01:14 |
| _Lena | nothing, just the reboot-loop i explaind before | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-( | 01:15 |
| freemangordon | NOLO. | 01:15 |
| _Lena | i have to remove the battery to stop the reboot | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that means you either got a defect N900 hw, or freemangordon is right and you actually need a coldflash now | 01:15 |
| _Lena | i think i got nothing to loose whith a cold flash | 01:16 |
| freemangordon | nothing but time, as it is tricky :D | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | coldflashing is a rather untested procedure though - at least I never did it | 01:16 |
| freemangordon | I've done it | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine, then talk her thru it | 01:17 |
| freemangordon | it was loong time ago | 01:17 |
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| freemangordon | i'll try to remember | 01:17 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: write down your HW revision somewhere | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah! | 01:18 |
| freemangordon | we'll need that later | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cat /proc/cpuinfo or sth | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | `cat /proc/cpuinfo` | 01:18 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: you need to boot to maemo | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hardware : Nokia RX-51 board | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Revision : 2101 | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your revision might differ | 01:19 |
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| WPA2 | hey guys | 01:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 suspects broken USB receptacle that has too high ESR on VBUS | 01:21 | |
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| freemangordon | could be | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you're aware you need to do it in sync, to be able to tell if it succeeded? | 01:22 |
| freemangordon | ? | 01:22 |
| _Lena | where do i find the revision, its not on the label under the batt | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you know how a suceeding coldflash looks? | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | `cat /proc/cpuinfo` | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: `cat /proc/cpuinfo` | 01:23 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: well IIRC it tells that it succeeded | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: if it was on the label under bat, we wouldn't need to write it down now ;-) | 01:23 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: the problem I see is that i use flasher35.exe ;) | 01:24 |
| _Lena | ok, i got it | 01:24 |
| WPA2 | I could do with some help guys i need to convert .netxml files to kml | 01:24 |
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| freemangordon | WPA2: and what has google to tell about that? | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: 2101 or sth other? | 01:24 |
| _Lena | 2204 | 01:24 |
| freemangordon | good | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yay | 01:25 |
| _Lena | it was bought in spain | 01:25 |
| WPA2 | nothing for the N900 i use giskismet on BT5 | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'd be massively out of luck without writing that down | 01:25 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: flasher35 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=2204 --flash-only=nolo | 01:25 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: what is flasher executable in linux? | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flasher-3.5 or sth like that | 01:26 |
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| freemangordon | _Lena: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=2204 --flash-only=nolo | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena will know, she used it already | 01:26 |
| _Lena | i got the flasher-tool installed, but it is only usb | 01:26 |
| freemangordon | flasher-tool?!? | 01:26 |
| freemangordon | where did you get that from? | 01:27 |
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| freemangordon | and yes, USB is what we need | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get flasher-3.5 binary from Nokia download page | 01:27 |
| * freemangordon wonders if that flasher-tool could be responsible for damaged NOLO | 01:28 | |
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| _Lena | i got it from the nokia page, ver 3.5... | 01:29 |
| freemangordon | good | 01:29 |
| ShadowJK | btw, I doubt any of my original Nokia BL-5J batteries would be able to sustain above 4.1V on boot anymore, even when fully charged. Is that really the threshold? | 01:29 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: then execute "flasher-tool -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=2204 --flash-only=nolo" on your PC. Do not connect any cables | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | noooo not flasher-tool | 01:32 |
| freemangordon | ? | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flasher-3.5 | 01:32 |
| freemangordon | yes, sorry, my bad | 01:33 |
| _Lena | the programm is called "flasher.sh" its a script | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do not use that | 01:33 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: no, it is binary | 01:33 |
| freemangordon | and is called flasher-3.5 | 01:33 |
| freemangordon | ~flashing | 01:33 |
| infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 01:33 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, you beat me | 01:35 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: what happens if you writte flasher-3.5 on your PC? | 01:35 |
| freemangordon | *write | 01:36 |
| freemangordon | i.e. do you have such binary | 01:36 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I am running out of time, so will explain the procedure in short | 01:37 |
| freemangordon | run "flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=2204 --flash-only=nolo" | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm also way beyond my deadline | 01:37 |
| freemangordon | not sure about "--flash-only=nolo" | 01:37 |
| freemangordon | cable have to be connected on removed battery | 01:38 |
| freemangordon | battery should be inserted while 'u' is pressed | 01:38 |
| freemangordon | flasher spits something like "foound ASIC id" or something | 01:39 |
| freemangordon | IIRC I didn't manage to do that on my PC, had to use my laptop for that | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blacklist cdc_phonet | 01:40 |
| freemangordon | though my PC has some broken NVidia chipset | 01:40 |
| freemangordon | windoze XP, both PC and Laptop | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 01:40 |
| freemangordon | so no cdc_phonet :P | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's about the only advantage | 01:40 |
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| freemangordon | it is just crappy NVidia does not play it nice with windoze USB drivers | 01:41 |
| freemangordon | In short that is :D | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, we'll see in syslog of PC if it detects ROMBL | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just curious how it will report NOLO successfully flashed | 01:42 |
| freemangordon | BTW I did several posts on TMO with the exact procedure and outpu | 01:42 |
| _Lena | i installed the program, now..... supply the product with '-h', e.g. '-h SU-18:1601' | 01:42 |
| freemangordon | *output | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 01:42 |
| freemangordon | RX-51:2204 | 01:43 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: ^^^ | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you did THAT ('-h SU-18:1601') before, we already know why your NOLO is borked ;-) | 01:44 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: naah | 01:44 |
| freemangordon | that is what flasher spits if you provide him wrong parameters | 01:44 |
| freemangordon | BTW we have HW revision in CAL too | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 01:45 |
| freemangordon | I wonder what that flasher-tool is | 01:45 |
| _Lena | do i have to add ththat parameter to the line in the terminal ? | 01:45 |
| freemangordon | and why we are sure /proc/cpuinfo holds the correct HW revision | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-25 00:37:38] <freemangordon> run "flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=2204 --flash-only=nolo" | 01:46 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: "flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=RX-51:2204 --flash-only=nolo" | 01:46 |
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| _Lena | i think thera was soming wrong whith the installation, i downloadadd ver 3.5 and now it shows : flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) | 01:47 |
| _Lena | quite old | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no secondary or 2nd? | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ^^^ | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: normal | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: the version string is fubar | 01:47 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I didn;t coldflash with fiasco, I unpackaged it, so not sure if it will work | 01:47 |
| freemangordon | but once there is NOLO in place, a normal flash should be possible | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afk, sorry | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -c will cause coldflash unconditionally. If flasher-3.5 not happy, it will complain | 01:49 |
| _Lena | what does "fubar" mean ? | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nonsense | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fubar | 01:49 |
| infobot | fubar is F*cked Up Beyond Any Recognition, e.g. "This whole operation is fubar, soldier" (gay lisp included), or a bar addon like Titan Panel and Telo's InfoBar. and everything. | 01:49 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: keep in mind I did that an year or so ago for the last time and my memory is not what it used to be :D | 01:50 |
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| _Lena | ok, so i can use this flasher version ? | 01:50 |
| freemangordon | yes | 01:50 |
| freemangordon | "flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=RX-51:2204 --flash-only=nolo" | 01:50 |
| freemangordon | paste that, without quotes | 01:51 |
| freemangordon | on your PC | 01:51 |
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| Skry | intense | 01:52 |
| freemangordon | well, seems we'll continue tomorrow :) | 01:52 |
| freemangordon | night | 01:53 |
| Skry | gnight | 01:53 |
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| _Lena | it sayys : You have to supply the 2nd image | 01:55 |
| freemangordon | hmm, wait a minute | 01:55 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: "flasher-3.5 -u RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" | 01:56 |
| freemangordon | that should unpack fiasko image to several files | 01:57 |
| _Lena | Unknown arguments specified! | 02:01 |
| _Lena | if i typpe help it allows the "-u" for unpack | 02:02 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: "flasher-3.5 -u -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" | 02:04 |
| freemangordon | sorry, I missed '-F' | 02:04 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: I hope you are doing copy/paste | 02:05 |
| freemangordon | not writing it by hand | 02:05 |
| _Lena | yes i do | 02:06 |
| freemangordon | ok | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also do fetch old cmdline by cursor-up, and expand by using tab | 02:06 |
| freemangordon | is it ok now | 02:06 |
| freemangordon | ? | 02:06 |
| freemangordon | as the next command is: | 02:06 |
| freemangordon | http://pastebin.com/rVvpJQN6 | 02:07 |
| _Lena | if i do flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S=usb -h=RX-51:2204 --flash-only=nolo ...still complains "You have to supply the 2nd image" | 02:08 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: look the link I poseted | 02:08 |
| freemangordon | *posted | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-o | 02:08 |
| _Lena | o | 02:08 |
| _Lena | ok | 02:08 |
| freemangordon | there you'll find the command | 02:08 |
| _Lena | top or bottom ? | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's really a filename? WTF?! | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both identical | 02:09 |
| freemangordon | WTF indeed | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | top and bottom | 02:09 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: you should end up with: | 02:10 |
| freemangordon | Using serial port usb | 02:10 |
| freemangordon | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 02:10 |
| _Lena | xloader.bin-RX-51: No such file or directory | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: that's all one single line | 02:12 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: put quotes around filenames | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 02:12 |
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| freemangordon | flasher-3.5 -c -Susb -hRX-51:2204 -x"xloader.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" -2"2nd.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" -s"secondary.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | W*T*F nokia thought by creating *that* filename?? | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | silly gnomes | 02:14 |
| _Lena | -xxloader.bin... whith double x is correct ? | 02:14 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: see ^^^ | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yyes, it's correct | 02:15 |
| freemangordon | -x"xloader.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | modulo the " in between | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same for -2"2 | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and -s"seco... | 02:15 |
| freemangordon | yep. | 02:16 |
| freemangordon | don't forget to close the quotes | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: short form: flasher-3.5 -c -Susb -hRX-51:2204 -x xloader.bin* -2 2nd.bin-* -s secondary.bin* | 02:17 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: naah, there are lots of xloader, 2nd and secondary | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch | 02:18 |
| freemangordon | unpack fiasko and you'll see | 02:18 |
| _Lena | i am lost | 02:18 |
| freemangordon | *fiasco | 02:18 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: :) why is that | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: c&p what freemangordonwrote | 02:18 |
| freemangordon | yes | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-25 01:13:20] <freemangordon> flasher-3.5 -c -Susb -hRX-51:2204 -x"xloader.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" -2"2nd.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" -s"secondary.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" | 02:18 |
| freemangordon | just do copy/paste | 02:18 |
| _Lena | ok | 02:19 |
| freemangordon | <freemangordon> _Lena: I hope you are doing copy/paste | 02:19 |
| freemangordon | 02:03 <freemangordon> not writing it by hand | 02:19 |
| freemangordon | <_Lena> yes i do | 02:19 |
| freemangordon | :P | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-25 01:06:29] <DocScrutinizer05> also do fetch old cmdline by cursor-up, and expand by using tab | 02:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | expanding filenames is actually incredibly useful | 02:20 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: not on that case | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | double-tab shows a list of abiguities if any | 02:20 |
| freemangordon | just unpack the fiasco image and you'll see | 02:20 |
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| _Lena | xloader.bin-RX-51: No such file or directory....still the same | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sigh | 02:21 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: copy/paste the following line: | 02:21 |
| freemangordon | flasher-3.5 -c -Susb -hRX-51:2204 -x"xloader.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" -2"2nd.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" -s"secondary.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216" | 02:21 |
| freemangordon | this is one line, remember | 02:21 |
| _Lena | including the quotes ? | 02:22 |
| freemangordon | yes | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flasher-3.5 -c -Susb -hRX-51:2204 -x'xloader.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216' -2'2nd.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216' -s'secondary.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216"' | 02:22 |
| freemangordon | should do the job too | 02:22 |
| freemangordon | naah | 02:22 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you have a typo | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, messsed up the end | 02:22 |
| freemangordon | yes | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flasher-3.5 -c -Susb -hRX-51:2204 -x'xloader.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216' -2'2nd.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216' -s'secondary.bin-RX-51;2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216' | 02:22 |
| _Lena | No such file or directory | 02:23 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: did unpack succeeded? | 02:23 |
| freemangordon | *succeed | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: you'll need ' instead of " for ; in filename | 02:24 |
| freemangordon | aah, yeah | 02:24 |
| _Lena | unpacking yes, but then it is not finding the file | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: c6p my cmdline | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | c&p* | 02:24 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: yeah, listen to doc, he is way better in shell than me | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it has single ticks instead quotes | 02:24 |
| _Lena | ok | 02:25 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: BTW why is that? | 02:25 |
| freemangordon | I mean, why single and doule quotes are treated in a different way? | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in " " you get shell expansion and stuff, so names containing 'active' chars need ' ' | 02:25 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "$1" is not '$1" | 02:26 |
| freemangordon | learned something new today :D | 02:26 |
| freemangordon | yeah, got it | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err '$1' | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw you also could've escaped the special chars, like fubared\;filename | 02:28 |
| freemangordon | yeah, but there is no way I can test that in win | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and shell's tab expansion is even doing that for you ;-) | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, your own fault to use win instead of a OS | 02:28 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yes, I know | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw there *is* a way: cygwin ;-P | 02:29 |
| freemangordon | I still cannot find enough free time to replace it with Ubuntu :P | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~buntkuh | 02:29 |
| infobot | buntkuh is probably http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 02:30 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: what has happened? | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | either it worked, or we were too much ;-) | 02:31 |
| freemangordon | :D | 02:32 |
| _Lena | hurrraa, Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 02:32 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 02:32 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: now remove the battery from your n900 | 02:32 |
| freemangordon | report when ready | 02:33 |
| _Lena | ok | 02:33 |
| freemangordon | connect USB cable and press'n'hold 'u' | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while holding 'u' | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | insert battery | 02:33 |
| freemangordon | yep | 02:34 |
| Skry | moar popcorn | 02:34 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 02:34 |
| freemangordon | more kernel 3.6 | 02:34 |
| Skry | going with 3.7 already | 02:34 |
| freemangordon | moar 3.8 | 02:34 |
| Skry | .. soon | 02:35 |
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| freemangordon | _Lena: what has happened? | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess she's still dancing ;-) | 02:35 |
| * freemangordon wonders what connection is she using | 02:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | webirc anyway | 02:36 |
| freemangordon | as I can't believe it takes 3 minutes to connect a cable | 02:36 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 02:36 |
| _Lena | vibrating , and dark screen rebooting loop | 02:36 |
| freemangordon | well, that's the tricky part | 02:36 |
| freemangordon | repeat it | 02:37 |
| freemangordon | I mean: | 02:37 |
| freemangordon | remove the battery | 02:37 |
| _Lena | the pc is still waiting for a conection | 02:37 |
| freemangordon | press and hold 'u' | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | remove and insert battery, while holding 'u' on insert | 02:37 |
| freemangordon | connect the cable | 02:37 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: noo | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | noo? | 02:37 |
| freemangordon | it does not need a battery to detect the ASIC | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch | 02:38 |
| freemangordon | so: | 02:38 |
| freemangordon | remove the battery | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might be right | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unplug | 02:38 |
| freemangordon | press and hold 'u' | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | replug | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | insert battery while still holding 'u' | 02:38 |
| _Lena | the yellow led flashes once, but nothing more happens | 02:39 |
| freemangordon | usually it takes more than 10 tries | 02:39 |
| freemangordon | does PC say anything? | 02:39 |
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| _Lena | no, pc is still waiting | 02:39 |
| freemangordon | well, as I told you, this is tricky | 02:39 |
| freemangordon | there is only 200ms window for device to be detected | 02:40 |
| freemangordon | did you put the battery back? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: actually holding 'u' is useless, since that's a NOLO thing, not ROMBL | 02:40 |
| freemangordon | if not, do it | 02:40 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: IIRC ROMBL waits for it too | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 02:41 |
| _Lena | i dont think the usbpoower is strong enough, when the n900 was woorking it never charged from the PC if i remember right | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ROMBL has not even any idea of kbd | 02:41 |
| freemangordon | ok, it was long time ago | 02:41 |
| freemangordon | so I might be wrong | 02:41 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: well, you'll have to find another PC then | 02:42 |
| freemangordon | I had to do it when I did coldflashing. It was not becasue of the power, but still | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think power from USB shouldn't be the problem with early coldflash. After all the device powers up, and it does so from battery, just detecting voltage on USB but not really using it | 02:43 |
| freemangordon | also you may try to do a normal flashing initially on that "other" pc | 02:43 |
| _Lena | ok, but not tonight anymore, i run out of concentration | 02:43 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: actually it is USB that is used to power coldflashing IIR | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't | 02:43 |
| freemangordon | _Lena: same here. Plus I run out of time :D | 02:43 |
| _Lena | many manny many many thanks for the help | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since nothing in ROMBL will initialize the bq24150 | 02:43 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: for POWERING, not CHARGING | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: come back tomorrow, maybe 4h earler | 02:44 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 02:44 |
| _Lena | you are very clever guys, you know what you are talking of :) | 02:44 |
| freemangordon | and try to find some laptop | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: power and charging is same rail | 02:44 |
| freemangordon | VBUS? | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, vbus to system is via bq24150, nuttin alternative | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unlike freerunner the N900 has no separate VDDsys rail | 02:45 |
| freemangordon | guess why you have orange flash when there is no battery and you connect the cable ;) | 02:45 |
| freemangordon | anyway, i am out | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. whole system all times gets power from battery | 02:46 |
| freemangordon | night guys (and lady) | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and USB is only charging battery, nothing else | 02:46 |
| _Lena | ok,see yoou tomorrow | 02:46 |
| _Lena | thanks again, bye | 02:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 as well has to take care about own health now | 02:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _Lena: bye and til tomorrow | 02:46 |
| * RST38h yawns | 02:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah | 02:47 |
| RST38h | Doc: Anything new and exciting? | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you missed it ;-P | 02:47 |
| RST38h | seen ext4 data corruption bug already? =) | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, link! | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | global or fremantle? | 02:48 |
| RST38h | global | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yay | 02:48 |
| RST38h | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Stable-Linux-kernel-hit-by-ext4-data-corruption-bug-1736110.html | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice one | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luckily I reboot only twice a year ;-D | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd hope that's not "too fast" | 02:51 |
| * RST38h imagines the state of Doc's swap partition, smirks | 02:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swap usage: 0% of 8GB | 02:52 |
| RST38h | 128GB of RAM? | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 8 | 02:53 |
| RST38h | hm | 02:53 |
| RST38h | twm? | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf twm | 02:53 |
| infobot | twm: twm (1) - Tab Window Manager for the X Window System | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | awesome | 02:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 02:54 |
| Skry | running awesome on n900 | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, actually the "ps x" vs "busybox ps" could've been what caused bootloop on PR1.1 | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | `ps|grep -q bme && echo 'bme up and running' ` | 02:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ps|grep -q bme && echo 'bme up and running' | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# busybox ps|grep -q bme && echo 'bme up and running' | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bme up and running | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so much for possix compatibility of busybox | 02:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I deprecate messing with busybox(-power) for initscripts etc | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | initscripts *might* rely on bugs in busybox which when fixed may cause system failure | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and WFM doesn't count here, unless you did a proper code coverage analysis in all scripts | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the bug may show up only for asian version, or only on full moon, whatever | 03:03 |
| robbiethe1st | Just try it, revert your changes if they don't work via BM | 03:05 |
| robbiethe1st | That | 03:05 |
| robbiethe1st | That's what it's for! | 03:05 |
| nox- | isnt that just a race? i.e. whether it picks up the grep itself or not... | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the point is about the x parameter for ps | 03:06 |
| nox- | ah | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | busybox ps showing all processes even without x | 03:06 |
| nox- | i c | 03:06 |
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| Plourde | Looking for some help with gprs in Nitdroid. Apn setting are corrrentand texts work well just not getting data | 03:46 |
| Plourde | Any help? | 03:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you better ask in #nitdroid | 04:16 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: to be fair, pidof bme_RX-51 is a lot more solid | 08:35 |
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| teotwaki | ~ugt | 10:36 |
| infobot | from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 10:36 |
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| deepy | I've done that for the past 11 years | 10:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: sure, but that doesn't help with our compatibility issues with busybox | 10:52 |
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| WPA2 | hey guys | 11:13 |
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| vi_ | wtf | 14:28 |
| vi_ | how do I register? | 14:28 |
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| fasta | Does anyone know of a replacement for LaTeX which is _not_ filled with rendering bugs? | 14:54 |
| * lardman ponders when a tablet with a GPU that supports OpenCL will be available | 14:57 | |
| jaska | i wonder whats going on | 14:58 |
| jaska | phone has been very "choppy" ui-wise since last reboot | 14:58 |
| jaska | like scrolling something has a 1s lag before anything happens | 14:58 |
| jaska | it keeps on stuttering | 14:59 |
| lardman | ps? | 14:59 |
| jaska | nothing unusual | 15:00 |
| jaska | ah | 15:00 |
| jaska | sgx hardware recovery triggered spamming in dmesg | 15:00 |
| jaska | awkward | 15:02 |
| jaska | i dont have any transition stuff enabled either | 15:02 |
| jaska | wonder if reboot fixes it :| | 15:03 |
| jaska | dont think ive ever had that before | 15:04 |
| jaska | and i havent touched kernel or anything related in ages | 15:04 |
| lardman | I do seem to remember this happening in the old days, but can't for the life of me remember why | 15:08 |
| jaska | yeah i remember people getting it long ago.. just never had it before. hopefully wont start happening too often :( | 15:08 |
| lardman | may have been related to plugins or other home screen stuff | 15:10 |
| lardman | something that the opengl backend didn't like very much | 15:10 |
| jaska | hmm | 15:10 |
| jaska | sounds random.. ahvent used anything atypical. | 15:11 |
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| lardman | reboot and see what happens in that case | 15:11 |
| lardman | use the good old Windows mantra ;) | 15:11 |
| jaska | yeah i rebooted.. it stopped acting up for now | 15:11 |
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| lardman | the driver was pretty buggy, so these things happen | 15:11 |
| teotwaki | lardman: heya | 15:12 |
| lardman | hey teotwaki, how's things? | 15:12 |
| teotwaki | good good | 15:12 |
| teotwaki | It's crashanddie, by the way | 15:12 |
| lardman | I know ;) | 15:12 |
| teotwaki | ok | 15:12 |
| teotwaki | how are things? Long time no see | 15:12 |
| lardman | Work's busy, daughter is 14 months old and we don't get much sleep, but all in all not bad | 15:13 |
| teotwaki | so buying a house was for the kiddo! I knew it! | 15:13 |
| lardman | would be better with some up to date tablet/phone hardware to play with mind you | 15:13 |
| lardman | nah didn't buy, still renting until I see what happens re my contract | 15:13 |
| teotwaki | ah | 15:13 |
| teotwaki | You were looking, though, weren't you? | 15:14 |
| * ShadowJK hopes jolla comes out with something sane and sensible | 15:14 | |
| lardman | we sold up and moved out of a flat, which would have been bad with the buggy, looked and didn't see anything worth buying, so moved to a rental just before D-day | 15:14 |
| lardman | and still there (and bulging at the seams!) | 15:14 |
| teotwaki | Am currently looking, to buy. I tried to buy last week, but I got one-upped. | 15:15 |
| * lardman also hopes Jolla comes out with something | 15:15 | |
| lardman | teotwaki: oh dear, sorry to hear that | 15:15 |
| teotwaki | I hope they do too, but still put a vapourware sticker on that. | 15:15 |
| teotwaki | Well, I put a bid under the value of the house, I knew it was risky, I didn't think someone else would make an offer the exact same day I did, though. | 15:16 |
| lardman | they didn't come back to you for a counter offer? | 15:16 |
| lardman | where are you buying? France? | 15:16 |
| lardman | I am currently looking at tablets, and wondering what the state of GPU driver support is like, while also thinking of holding off for a Mali T6xx with OpenCL support (which would be pretty cool) | 15:18 |
| teotwaki | lardman: yeah, looking to buy in southern France, the prices are low, and the market is good (not many people buying, nor able to get loans). I managed to get a pretty low-interest loan, so I could buy an entry-level house off in roughly 10-15 years. | 15:19 |
| lardman | cool :) | 15:19 |
| teotwaki | And that's only with my salary, my girlfriend still studying and all. | 15:19 |
| teotwaki | So that would mean that around age 40, we could purchase a second house, while renting out the first, with two salaries. | 15:20 |
| teotwaki | anyway, rebooting to install LMDE | 15:21 |
| lardman | or sell up and buy a bigger house! ;) | 15:21 |
| teotwaki | might get back on IRC while installing, give me a few. | 15:21 |
| lardman | cool, nice to chat | 15:21 |
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| * lardman curses Google for leaving out a backward facing camera in the Nexus | 15:22 | |
| lardman | I also wonder whether the rumours are true about a larger Samsung Nexus tablet | 15:24 |
| * lardman goes to see whether the method of flashing kernel + rootfs has changed since the Tab 1.0 | 15:24 | |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman: everything but the hole in the back, the connector, the camera module and screwa are there for the back can | 16:00 |
| lardman | oh really, wow | 16:00 |
| lardman | strange they didn't just leave a hole for it then | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | no point having a pointless hole in the back | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | but reengineering the other stuff would have had a cost | 16:01 |
| lardman | ah sorry I misread, though you meant only the hole was missing, not the components too | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | yah, the moduke/connector aren't there | 16:02 |
| lardman | e.g. http://www.androidauthority.com/google-nexus-7-jelly-bean-tablet-design-includes-back-camera-104203/ just saw the hole in question | 16:02 |
| vi_ | I have a USB battery pack. | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | it's quite obvious when you open the back what it's for | 16:04 |
| vi_ | I plug it into my n900 and nothing happens. | 16:04 |
| vi_ | that is, no 'charging' message and now charging icon. | 16:04 |
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| vi_ | However if I use the bq2x00 script, it clearly shows the device is charging. | 16:05 |
| vi_ | how is this possible? | 16:05 |
| vi_ | that is, no 'charging' message and no charging icon or LED. | 16:05 |
| lardman | is the charging icon only shown then the current in>>current out | 16:06 |
| lardman | so you may be supplying a current equal to that currently being used, and therefore not triggering the charging inidcators? | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: seems that even without D+- short the bq24150 starts charging sometimes, when VBUS present | 16:07 |
| lardman | what does the script show for the battery pack vs usual wall wart? | 16:07 |
| lardman | and that was the other option, it won't tell you it's charging unless the USB cable is correctly detected | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: replug! | 16:08 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I have done several times. | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: ok | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I guess it's not D+- shorted | 16:08 |
| vi_ | I know it is charging, I thought it was a bit odd that it has given no indication of this though. | 16:08 |
| vi_ | d+- are not shorted, it is using a standard USB cable. | 16:09 |
| vi_ | ... | 16:09 |
| vi_ | Don't know about the external battery pack though. | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: the bq24150 starts charging quasi-autonomously. Even when BME and evil friends don't think there's any proper charging source | 16:09 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: good...i think. | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: a charger without D+- short is basically a USB host that doesn't reply, so probably the whole crap in N900 waits for ENUM | 16:10 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: way to miss out a case in the if/else. | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please rephrase | 16:11 |
| vi_ | if(this){do this} else {that} | 16:12 |
| vi_ | If it gets stuck at 'that' forever, then it is no good. | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might be right. I'm missing any question though, also don't see the relation to BME/charging | 16:13 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05> vi_: a charger without D+- short is basically a USB | 16:13 |
| vi_ | host that doesn't reply, so probably the whole crap | 16:13 |
| vi_ | in N900 waits for ENUM | 16:13 |
| vi_ | if(D+- shorted){wait to enumerate, FOREVER} | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I still don't get it | 16:14 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: nevermind, it was just a comment. | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a) if !(D+- shorted); b) what would be a proper timeout for waiting for ENUM? | 16:15 |
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| vi_ | I don't know. | 16:16 |
| vi_ | But I am sure waiting for things forever is a poor choice. | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and - more relevant - what would be a good action to execute on timeout? | 16:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, funny enough I've seen that "PCsuite / assRage?" requester several times when plugging in or unplugging(!) wallcharger too slowly, so leading contacts for GND/VBUS made contact before D+ and D- to detect short on those | 16:19 |
| vi_ | 'assrage'? | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the whole contraption is rather wacky on niche cases | 16:20 |
| vi_ | is that like a bully ramming? | 16:20 |
| * RST38h moos | 16:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MassSTOrage | 16:20 |
| vi_ | hello | 16:20 |
| RST38h | Doc:It did look better without your correction | 16:21 |
| jaska | heh | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~assrage | 16:21 |
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| vi_ | ~seen your assrage | 16:21 |
| infobot | vi_: i haven't seen 'your assrage' | 16:22 |
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| vi_ | no? | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~assrage is like mASSstoRAGE | 16:23 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya l8r | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ponder standing for council!!! | 16:23 |
| vi_ | who, you? | 16:24 |
| freemangordon | vi_: did you try comcache on your second device? | 16:25 |
| vi_ | It has not arrived :( | 16:25 |
| freemangordon | :( | 16:25 |
| vi_ | I am totally miffed. | 16:25 |
| vi_ | I might have to buy a 3rd. | 16:26 |
| freemangordon | BTW ShadowJK tried it and it was ok. If we count no kernel oops as OK :D:D:D | 16:26 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: How did it perform? | 16:26 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: Also I am not entirely clear as to what you have changed. | 16:26 |
| freemangordon | Ask him, I am still not convinced it wirths the effort | 16:26 |
| freemangordon | *worths | 16:27 |
| ShadowJK | I only briefly tested it, but I got the impression fennec was faster | 16:27 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK: so you used backing swap? | 16:27 |
| ShadowJK | It's for sure better than the normal ramzswap backing swap | 16:27 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: is there any chance you could enable compcache statistics, at least for some of these testing versions? | 16:28 |
| vi_ | I would very much like to know how many pages are compressed, sent to backing swap etc. | 16:28 |
| freemangordon | it is way better, but still worse than using normal swap on uSD with tweaked stuff in /proc/sys/vm | 16:28 |
| freemangordon | vi_: I changed the driver so much, that thoses stats are almost meaningless | 16:29 |
| vi_ | ok | 16:29 |
| freemangordon | *those | 16:29 |
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| freemangordon | vi_: lemme try to find the logs with explanation how it works now | 16:29 |
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| vi_ | apparently I have to get mrs vi_ an n900 now. | 16:30 |
| teotwaki | vi_: my mrs loves the n900 | 16:30 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: on which channel did we discuss this morning? | 16:31 |
| ShadowJK | no idea | 16:31 |
| vi_ | teotwaki: what does she like about it? | 16:32 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: aah, it was not this morning, but yesterday | 16:32 |
| freemangordon | nevermind | 16:32 |
| teotwaki | vi_: the battery life, the conversations (sms), the keyboard, the fact she can use her nails on the screen instead of her finger. | 16:32 |
| vi_ | I never thought I would hear someone praise the n900 ob batterylife! | 16:34 |
| teotwaki | vi_: well, she compares it to my blackberry. | 16:34 |
| freemangordon | vi_: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-10-25.log.html#t2012-10-25T00:34:47 | 16:36 |
| freemangordon | that is (roughly) how it works now | 16:36 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: ty | 16:37 |
| freemangordon | vi_: n900 battery life with SR on and -thumb is hardly to be beaten | 16:37 |
| freemangordon | (symbian devices excluded :D ) | 16:38 |
| jaska | how much of the stuff is thumb-compiled in that case? | 16:38 |
| teotwaki | installing LMDE, 10 minutes. Updating LMDE's packages on one of the mirrors, 10 minutes. Updating LMDE's Debian-imported packages from linuxmint.com? 2 hours. | 16:39 |
| jaska | should probably update my partial cssu thingy | 16:39 |
| freemangordon | jaska: depends on what do you mean by saying "stuff" | 16:39 |
| teotwaki | Some things in life can't wait, for everything else, there's slow-ass overloaded servers. Courtesy of Eurocard/Mastercard. | 16:39 |
| jaska | i mean, wouldnt quite a bit need to be thumbed for it to make any meaningful difference in power use | 16:39 |
| freemangordon | jaska: thumb thread on TMO has almost full list of thumb-compiled packages | 16:40 |
| freemangordon | jaska: not neccessarily, it is enough that lots of libs shared by every executeble are thumb | 16:41 |
| freemangordon | i.e clutter, gtk, qt | 16:41 |
| freemangordon | along with X sever | 16:41 |
| freemangordon | *server | 16:41 |
| freemangordon | but you'd better look at the full list | 16:41 |
| jaska | ah, now i remember why i didnt install full cssu, custom vte and osso-xterm i already have with stuff like scrollbars removed | 16:42 |
| jaska | so it doesnt waste screen real-estate | 16:42 |
| vi_ | jaska: tell me more about this custom xterm... | 16:42 |
| vi_ | I am searching for an osso-xterm replacement. | 16:43 |
| jaska | vi: i just hacked until i got rid of the scroll indicator thingy. and various border pixels | 16:43 |
| vi_ | jaska: on osso-xterm? | 16:43 |
| jaska | yeah | 16:43 |
| vi_ | ...did you enable middle click pasting?? | 16:43 |
| jaska | no | 16:43 |
| vi_ | the search for the dream continues. | 16:44 |
| vi_ | xterm is good, however it completely ignores all configuration files and you cannot change the font. | 16:45 |
| jaska | i should probably clean my hacks up | 16:45 |
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| vi_ | mrxvt is good but you cannot change the font/font size either. | 16:45 |
| jaska | not sure how you middleclick on this thing :) | 16:45 |
| vi_ | jaska: see: | 16:46 |
| vi_ | ~vi-kbd | 16:46 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, vi-kbd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | scrollbars on xterm?? o.O | 16:46 |
| jaska | doc: it has some sort of scroll indicator | 16:46 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: and a couple of pixels sized border. | 16:47 |
| vi_ | wasting precious screen space. | 16:47 |
| jaska | :D | 16:47 |
| jaska | id look it up but the machine that has my sdk vm is not on | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohyeah | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i'm more concerned about wasted space for bottom bar | 16:48 |
| jaska | oh, i disable that | 16:48 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: fullscreen it. | 16:48 |
| jaska | i was looking into making a smaller bottom bar | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: ??? | 16:48 |
| jaska | but i just threw it away | 16:48 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: You are shitting me. You are aware osso-xterm can go full screen, no bottom bar right? | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my fullscreen xterm still has bottom bar | 16:49 |
| vi_ | nothing but glorious console all over the screen, no buttons. | 16:49 |
| jaska | yeah, i run mine sans titlebar or bottom bar | 16:49 |
| vi_ | jaska: just like the pros | 16:49 |
| jaska | think some gconf setting toggles it | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all, without bottom fullscreen symbol, how would you end fullscreen mode? | 16:50 |
| jaska | on mine you press fn-shift-y | 16:50 |
| jaska | or fn-shift-backspace | 16:50 |
| jaska | (f6) | 16:50 |
| vi_ | f6 | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tsss | 16:51 |
| vi_ | next question: How do I F6? | 16:51 |
| vi_ | answer: | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I prefer F6 free for cli apps using F6 | 16:51 |
| jaska | ctrl-backspace lets me taskswitch | 16:51 |
| vi_ | ~vi-kbd | 16:51 |
| infobot | i heard vi-kbd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw iirc F6 is already bound to VOL- or sth like that | 16:51 |
| vi_ | F6 is built into osso-xterm, it will swallow F6 anyway. | 16:52 |
| vi_ | vol is F7, F8 | 16:52 |
| jaska | it was f6 back in diablo too | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, cya | 16:52 |
| vi_ | Fsck knows why F6 disables full screen, there is no F6 key. Anywhere. | 16:53 |
| jaska | also osso-xterm doesnt observe the disable-bottombar thingy until you fullscreen by default | 16:53 |
| jaska | think its some bug | 16:53 |
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| jaska | but if you f6 f6 it obeys | 16:54 |
| vi_ | yah | 16:54 |
| jaska | i guess i should make it so that i can copypasta from hotkeys | 16:54 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false" | 16:54 |
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| vi_ | jaska: yes, copy+paste is the ONLY reason I ever need to un-fullscreen. | 16:55 |
| vi_ | It is a pain in the ass. | 16:55 |
| jaska | ye | 16:55 |
| vi_ | hence, middle click paste. | 16:55 |
| jaska | i have some keys left over | 16:55 |
| jaska | i forgot i hadnt used all keys yet :) | 16:55 |
| jaska | so now i have scandinavian umlauts and 4-arrows | 16:56 |
| vi_ | woot. | 16:56 |
| jaska | plus unix/programming related special chars | 16:56 |
| jaska | without dipping into special char view | 16:56 |
| vi_ | jaska: now you can remap blue+trl to be alt. | 16:56 |
| vi_ | jaska: now you can remap blue+ctrl to be alt. | 16:56 |
| jaska | hmm. orly? | 16:57 |
| vi_ | ... | 16:57 |
| vi_ | no | 16:57 |
| vi_ | it doesnt work. | 16:57 |
| jaska | :( | 16:57 |
| vi_ | it is reported as alt by xev | 16:57 |
| jon_y | anyway, what is the difference with gconftool-2 and gconftool? | 16:57 |
| vi_ | but just doesnt work for some reason. | 16:57 |
| jaska | might not be in the modifier map | 16:57 |
| vi_ | jaska: If you can crack this one you will be a hero. | 16:58 |
| vi_ | To literally tens of people. | 16:58 |
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| jaska | no xmodmap installed i think hmm | 16:59 |
| vi_ | Some people. | 16:59 |
| jaska | lol | 16:59 |
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| vi_ | well, probably only 2. | 16:59 |
| jaska | keeps on shrinking | 16:59 |
| jaska | yeah | 16:59 |
| jaska | was about to suggest 1-2 | 16:59 |
| vi_ | including yourself and me. | 16:59 |
| vi_ | So really that is none. | 16:59 |
| vi_ | none people. | 16:59 |
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| jaska | looks like xmodmap is in extras-devel | 17:01 |
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| vi_ | SoaB | 17:08 |
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| vi_ | my new n900 has not even been shipped. | 17:08 |
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| Pali | anybody who can fix bug in grep? https://launchpad.net/bugs/1055766 | 18:01 |
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| Pali | bug is also present in maemo busybox grep and also in extras findutils-gnu | 18:02 |
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| StyXman | Pali: if I do I get to work for canonical? | 18:06 |
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| Pali | StyXman, maybe :-) | 18:07 |
| Pali | but it is really funny bug :D | 18:07 |
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| StyXman | yeah, I saw if when the brouhaha about amazon on by default was on its climas (like 5h after it went live) | 18:12 |
| StyXman | climax* | 18:12 |
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| StyXman | )all that in a very sarcastic tone which you can't see in your IRC clients) | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~lart pali for wasting everybody's time and bandwidth | 18:14 |
| * infobot DoSes pali for wasting everybody's time and bandwidth | 18:14 | |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer51, it is today joke :-) | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not exactly easy to get the catch it's BS, when browsing there in microB | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh | 18:17 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: #41 in the comments is great :D | 18:18 |
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| Pali | if [$USER != "root"]; then echo "Warning: Must be Mark!"; exit :-(; fi | 18:22 |
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| Pali | merlin1991 ^ :-) | 18:22 |
| Pali | also we need missing feature from #23 and #24 | 18:23 |
| Pali | :D | 18:23 |
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| vi_ | is there going to be ads in unity or something? | 18:24 |
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| vi_ | just found it out. | 18:26 |
| vi_ | WTF is that shit? | 18:26 |
| vi_ | Not even windows goes that far. | 18:26 |
| vi_ | WTF boontoo? | 18:26 |
| vi_ | What person will willingly install it if it comes bundled with that horse shit? | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | unity? sounds like ubuntu crap | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | canonical, so you're surprised? | 18:30 |
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| vi_ | oohboontoo was my first linux distro. | 18:33 |
| Skry | yeah, and in addition they are moving some of the development behind closed doors | 18:33 |
| vi_ | wtf | 18:33 |
| vi_ | who the F do they think they are? | 18:33 |
| Skry | mm, splitting the community to the elite and the rest | 18:34 |
| vi_ | The only reason boontoo works is because of the army of OSS zealots backing it for free. | 18:34 |
| freemangordon | hmm, I was just about to replace my windoze with Ubuntu, is there something I am missing? | 18:34 |
| vi_ | it has totally caught the gay. | 18:34 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: Try strait up debian. | 18:35 |
| Skry | my first was RH5, amiga os before that | 18:35 |
| freemangordon | vi_: where to get that from? | 18:35 |
| freemangordon | ok,ok, i'll ask google :) | 18:35 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: debian.org | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: yeah, you're missing | 18:35 |
| freemangordon | 10x | 18:35 |
| Skry | freemangordon: if you want best of ubuntu and debian, go with mint, I do recommend considering/trying other options though. | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~buntkuh | 18:36 |
| infobot | [buntkuh] http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind | 18:36 |
| freemangordon | the fuck, i've just burnt the CD | 18:36 |
| vi_ | mint is bloaty as fuck. | 18:36 |
| freemangordon | but yeah, Debian it will be | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: honestly you probably better stay with genuine windows | 18:36 |
| vi_ | debian+http://smxi.org/ | 18:36 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I can't stand it anymore | 18:36 |
| freemangordon | AV SW is using 2 of my 4 cores, no thanks | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then WTF you ponder to switch to fake windows aka buntkuh? | 18:37 |
| vi_ | besides, halflife 3 will be released on linux. | 18:37 |
| freemangordon | ^^^ | 18:37 |
| freemangordon | and as it is 32bit it utilyses only 3 GB | 18:37 |
| Skry | vi_: yeah, it is. Personally wont use anything but Arch and Gentoo. | 18:37 |
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| vi_ | Skry: I dont have that much free time! | 18:38 |
| freemangordon | vi_: Debian comes with gnome2 or 3? | 18:38 |
| vi_ | debian comes with whatever the fuck you want. | 18:38 |
| Skry | vi_: mm, takes few hours in arch to set everything up first time, then you dont need to do anything if you dont want to, it's rollin' | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's a *real* distro | 18:39 |
| vi_ | You download the minimal install. | 18:39 |
| freemangordon | vi_: remember, you are helping a windoze user to turn into the "real OS' user :P | 18:39 |
| vi_ | Then just get whatever you want over the net. | 18:39 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: ??? I thought you where a 'nix pro! | 18:39 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 18:40 |
| vi_ | the debian installer gives you a choice of DE as I recall. | 18:40 |
| vi_ | getting a different DE is as easy as apt-get install lxde | 18:40 |
| vi_ | or kde | 18:41 |
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| vi_ | or gnome etc. | 18:41 |
| freemangordon | vi_: I am trying to find a distro to replace my Win95, wich evolved to XP during the years. With not a single time I used format C: | Y | 18:41 |
| vi_ | o0 | 18:41 |
| freemangordon | vi_: see | 18:41 |
| vi_ | How old is your computer? | 18:41 |
| freemangordon | it is relatively new | 18:42 |
| freemangordon | but it started from 486DX2/100 | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, no help from my side, I stopped using win at home with win98 | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | some 13 years ago | 18:42 |
| freemangordon | i've upgraded either HW or OS, but without losing anything | 18:43 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: the same case? | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so have I | 18:43 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: Well if you want to go 'nix you may want to consider backing up all your shit. | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | started on KDE1 and suse4 iirc | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | And BH I am too old to use lynx to ask google what packages I am supposed to install to have X running | 18:44 |
| vi_ | But you seem to know your way around linux. | 18:44 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: lols | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 18:44 |
| vi_ | you use links2 with svga frame buffer. | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 18:44 |
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| vi_ | freemangordon: It used to be setting up Xserver was the mark of a boy who had progressed to manhood. | 18:45 |
| freemangordon | that is why I wanted ubuntu. Not anymore, if I wanted android ads shit I wouldn't have bought n900 ;) | 18:45 |
| vi_ | now it is not so difficult. | 18:45 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: Go for linux mint then. | 18:45 |
| freemangordon | vi_: Been there done that | 18:45 |
| Skry | freemangordon: Mint has cinnamon which is pretty much gnome3 made usable/gnome2 like, and it has compatibility with ubuntu, and offers also other DE's, admittably it is as bloated as ubuntu. Xubuntu is also a very good distro based on buntu. Mint is also wife approved, at least in here, so it is pretty trouble free and comes with etc essential multimedia shits preinstalled. I still recommend giving some effort and going with bare debian, arch or | 18:45 |
| freemangordon | vi_: I mean bringing X up, with RH6.3 and FC1 | 18:46 |
| vi_ | fuck dat. | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | so, going to install debian | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | will see ... | 18:47 |
| vi_ | good choice. | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shrug | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | which version would you recommend? | 18:47 |
| vi_ | It is a nice balance between power and automation. | 18:47 |
| vi_ | personally I would go with unstable. | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems my friend had no trouble at all to install FC on the toughbook he sold to me | 18:48 |
| Skry | as would i | 18:48 |
| vi_ | It is generally quite stable. | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: actually I liked FC lots in the past. | 18:48 |
| raccoon_ | +1 on unstable, however testing is quick enough to make use of most bleeding edge updates | 18:48 |
| raccoon_ | but unstable is really not that unstable as it sounds :) | 18:48 |
| vi_ | testing is what I meant! | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | ok | 18:48 |
| vi_ | what 'coon said. | 18:48 |
| vi_ | I forgot the name. | 18:49 |
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| freemangordon | that one? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2012/20121018? | 18:49 |
| freemangordon | vi_: ^^^? | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: if you're used to windows you might indeed love debian. I fvor one hate the fractal character of the whole thing | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | I am | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | and unfortuantely no option here, I need it for my work :( | 18:52 |
| vi_ | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's all opposite of a proper distro under professional maintenance, like RH/fedora or (even better) suse | 18:52 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: Personally I prefer the netinst. That is network installer. | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: I am not sure how will SB cope with fedora and rpms ;) | 18:53 |
| Skry | tbh I find nothing else wrong with fedora but their switch to defaulting gnome3, otherwise a very good distro. | 18:53 |
| vi_ | It is a smaller download and you don't have to update right away. | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | vi_: yeah, downloading it | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh, I got it installwd on suse | 18:54 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: backup your shit. | 18:54 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: This thing will install grub on your computer. | 18:54 |
| Skry | freemangordon: you can get SB running on just about every distro, and dpkg can be installed | 18:54 |
| vi_ | While it is usually safe it could potentially hose your MBR. | 18:54 |
| raccoon_ | freemangordon: i would also recommend #debian for pointers on how to get up and running! | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | sure, but i'd prefer to have debs natively supported | 18:55 |
| vi_ | oh god, #debian. | 18:55 |
| freemangordon | raccoon_: well, I don't think I will have any problems with installation | 18:55 |
| raccoon_ | freemangordon: nah, i meant more practical questions, how to do things in debian compared to other systems | 18:55 |
| freemangordon | My questions are related to user experience | 18:56 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: also: http://smxi.org/ | 18:56 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 18:56 |
| raccoon_ | there's a debian way of doing most stuff, as well as there's a fedora way, an arch way, gentoo way, etc | 18:56 |
| vi_ | handy little script to automate updating/installing some stuff. | 18:56 |
| vi_ | I even use it in easy debian! | 18:56 |
| raccoon_ | i for one like to get a grip of those parts when learning a new distro | 18:56 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: user experiance? | 18:56 |
| raccoon_ | heading out, bbl | 18:57 |
| vi_ | raccoon_: bb | 18:57 |
| freemangordon | bb | 18:57 |
| freemangordon | vi_: ? | 18:57 |
| vi_ | freemangordon> My questions are related to user experience | 18:57 |
| freemangordon | well, I mean I hate unity | 18:58 |
| vi_ | heh. | 18:58 |
| freemangordon | for example | 18:58 |
| Skry | who doesnt :) | 18:58 |
| freemangordon | don;t like KDE either | 18:58 |
| vi_ | under debian it is piss easy to install new windows managers. | 18:58 |
| freemangordon | good | 18:58 |
| vi_ | gererally you just: apt-get install <YOUR NEW WINDOWS MANAGER> | 18:58 |
| freemangordon | ok, disk is ready, going to try it, bb | 18:59 |
| vi_ | and it will appear as an option in the login manager. | 18:59 |
| vi_ | good luck! | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | 10x | 18:59 |
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| vi_ | first time linux install... | 18:59 |
| vi_ | poor fucker. | 18:59 |
| Skry | :D | 19:00 |
| vi_ | he will need a stiff drink before this night is out. | 19:00 |
| Skry | I still remember my first time with minix.. | 19:00 |
| vi_ | no one forgets their first install. | 19:00 |
| vi_ | It is like their first time being sexually assaulted. | 19:01 |
| vi_ | ~seen vi_ | 19:02 |
| infobot | vi_ is currently on #maemo (4h 34m 38s). Has said a total of 154 messages. Is idling for 4s, last said: '~seen vi_'. | 19:02 |
| vi_ | gtg bb | 19:03 |
| Skry | worst installation experience by far was netbsd on m68k quite some time ago, would definetely preferred multiple sexual assaults over that. then again, was kid back then and had NFC what I was doing. | 19:06 |
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| StyXman | Skry: those are the educational experiences | 19:11 |
| Skry | yes, very important ones too i might add | 19:12 |
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| Skry | also, experiences as such can make you somewhat diverted of the mainstream though. I cant do shit on Windows machine. In total, I have had windows installed on my machine for like, 6 months maybe. | 19:15 |
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| freemangordon | seems my PC does not like 64 bit OS-es :( | 20:46 |
| freemangordon | no joy with neither debian or ubuntu | 20:47 |
| freemangordon | *either | 20:47 |
| freemangordon | vi_: ^^^ | 20:47 |
| freemangordon | going to download and try 32bit debian | 20:48 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: you suck! | 21:00 |
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| freemangordon | sure | 21:02 |
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| freemangordon | if you wish you may try to install 64bit linux on nForce 250 with AGP ATI card | 21:03 |
| piggz | freemangordon: sure your cpu is 64bit? :D | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | Phenom II | 21:05 |
| freemangordon | I think so | 21:05 |
| freemangordon | :D | 21:05 |
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| kerio | an AGP graphics card? D: | 21:07 |
| vi__ | agp? | 21:10 |
| vi__ | is that like a laser disk? | 21:10 |
| kerio | oh burn | 21:11 |
| vi__ | does 64bit==moar powar? | 21:11 |
| kerio | vi__: 64bit == moar addresses | 21:11 |
| vi__ | I know that. | 21:12 |
| kerio | hm, i wonder if it's worth it to setup apkenv just to play fruit ninja | 21:13 |
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| vi__ | install froot ninja | 21:22 |
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| freemangordon | no joy with x86 debian too, it just resets out of the blue. I am starting to think that HW is faulty :( | 21:34 |
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| freemangordon | vi_: yes, AGP. my board is a strange animal with am2 socket, AGP and PCI-E :D | 21:35 |
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| freemangordon | and it deffinitely does not like Linux. or vice versa :D | 21:36 |
| kerio | vi__: but apkenv is tuff to install D: | 21:37 |
| freemangordon | though I've installed a couple of distros 2-3 years ago, but CPU was not Phenom. ANyway I am out of both blank DVDs and time, so will stick to windoze for now | 21:37 |
| kerio | >installing from optical media | 21:38 |
| kerio | >2012 | 21:38 |
| kerio | wtfamireading | 21:38 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: srsly bro | 21:43 |
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| main-in-the-mirr | hi. how is the status, will maemo server shut down end of this month? | 21:44 |
| kerio | we've got mirrors :3 | 21:44 |
| kerio | seeeeeekrit mirrors | 21:44 |
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| main-in-the-mirr | kerio: ok. also meamo talk mirror? I cloned fremantle repository myself already. | 21:46 |
| main-in-the-mirr | well, it | 21:49 |
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| vi__ | freemangordon: ping | 23:12 |
| vi__ | are you a limerix shareware OS user yet? | 23:13 |
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