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| * ShadowJK still uses his N800 almost daily | 00:04 | |
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| ampharos | i need to get a new battery | 00:05 |
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| ampharos | mine is shot; drains fast and uses 40% of it starting up | 00:05 |
| ShadowJK | the original batteries were never very good | 00:06 |
| ampharos | i got mine in about 2010, used | 00:07 |
| ampharos | cheaper than an N810 or N900 (those go for a lot!) | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | on the third battery for my N810 now | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | I've gotten new ones when they've gone down to about 60% of original capacity | 00:07 |
| ampharos | but I'd love to use it more, but batteries :( | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | but it's hard to find a BP-5L that looks vguely trustworthy | 00:08 |
| ampharos | i only order from canada | 00:09 |
| ampharos | shipping is like $40 from US | 00:09 |
| ampharos | and no matter where customs | 00:09 |
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| ampharos | I don't trust HK batteries | 00:10 |
| ampharos | I want a charge, not a chemical grenade waiting to go off | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | customs is 0 here if total customs fees would be less than 10E | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | customs fee would mostly be VAT of 23%, so if battery costs less than 10/.23, no customs charges | 00:11 |
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| trumee | freemangordon, ping | 00:20 |
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| freemangordon | trumee: pong | 00:20 |
| trumee | freemangordon, E: Version '21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1+thumb0' for 'mp-fremantle-community-pr' was not found | 00:21 |
| trumee | freemangordon, i tried to run cssu shell script | 00:21 |
| freemangordon | trumee: edit that to be 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1+thumb3 | 00:21 |
| freemangordon | in the script that is | 00:22 |
| freemangordon | you've waited too long to update :D | 00:22 |
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| trumee | freemangordon, thanks it is installing now. | 00:25 |
| freemangordon | np. and night | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trumee waiting too long to update, incredible, impossible ;-D | 00:29 |
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| Skry | DocScrutinizer05: you wrote that battery charging script? if so do you remember anything about those status values? | 01:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | what about them? | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I remember an overview | 02:12 |
| ShadowJK | there's an overview in the script | 02:14 |
| ShadowJK | atleast charge2 and charge3, iirc | 02:15 |
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| Skry | just need to know the meaning of 0x40 | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | look up the data sheet | 02:20 |
| ShadowJK | in a function called decode_status() no less :) | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | or that | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | I've never seen 0x40 | 02:24 |
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| * ShadowJK checks datasheet for what sspin is | 02:25 | |
| Skry | yeah, me neither before today | 02:25 |
| Skry | and I dont have charge 2 or 3 | 02:27 |
| ShadowJK | "enable stat pin function" | 02:28 |
| ShadowJK | the default is 1, but it's turned off by bme and charge*.sh | 02:29 |
| ShadowJK | the chip probably got reset to defaults at some point | 02:29 |
| Skry | hmm, you know what that stat pin function is? I mean, is it safe to charge even if the status is 0x40 | 02:31 |
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| Skry | I started getting that when I fixed loading order of musb modules | 02:33 |
| internetishard | man... after fixing the messages database (el-v1.db) my n900 is about 4x as responsive | 02:33 |
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| internetishard | just like new | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | :-) | 02:34 |
| beford | link internetishard? | 02:35 |
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| internetishard | link to what? | 02:41 |
| beford | to check how to fixe the messages database :P | 02:42 |
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| internetishard | mine was corrupt | 02:43 |
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| internetishard | what I did was move el-v1.db to my computer, run an sqlite3 check (pragma integrity_check;) | 02:44 |
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| internetishard | if that says it isn't okay, then you can probably benefit from dumping it to a new sql database, and then creating a new db | 02:44 |
| internetishard | that's all I did really | 02:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: iirc status pin is the one causing amber steady LED | 02:47 |
| Skry | ok, weird | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so basically it's mirroring the status of OTG input, which in turn is driven by 1707 PHY fastcharger detect - IIRC | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bme is disabling it since bme and relatives are managing indicator LED patterns via system (MCE) | 02:49 |
| Hurrian | Isn't there a sysfs entry to upload patterns into? | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that's related to LP5523 LED controller chip, not bq24150 battery charger chip | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both share the (amber, aka red and green) indicator LED | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | during emergency charging you see steady amber from bq24150, via status pin, but as soon as bme starts up (actually as soon as mce starts up) this will change, and LP5523 controls the complete LED while bq24150 is supposed to "shut up" and leave LED alone | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flatbatrecover | 02:53 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover | 02:53 |
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| Skry | DocScrutinizer05: so is it safe to charge even when the status is 0x40 instead of 0x90 ? | 02:57 |
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| ShadowJK | status pin output and otg input are unrelated | 03:03 |
| ShadowJK | 0x40 indicates no charging | 03:03 |
| ShadowJK | it should go away when script is restarted.. | 03:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it's always safe to charge | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: quite possible, I have forgotten about some details | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: tough I don't think status pin signals charging (in autonomous mode) when OTG pin doesn't detect D+- short | 03:10 |
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| Skry | DocScrutinizer05: ok, thank you. | 03:21 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; it does | 03:52 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: my autologin worked ^___^ | 09:12 |
| kerio | without actually using my own ip | 09:12 |
| kerio | just a valid one, i think | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah | 09:13 |
| kerio | ICD feature request: a textbox for the command to run after connecting to a particular connection | 09:13 |
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| entitled | So, bought a new polarcell and it reports 12xx mAh as full charge. Is that accurate or do I need to change something? | 11:42 |
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| Hurrian | entitled, try calibration | 11:47 |
| Hurrian | 12xx mAh is terrible | 11:47 |
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| vi_ | also, why not a CSUD? | 11:52 |
| vi_ | ^SCUD | 11:52 |
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| vi_ | wifi vs bluetooth power use; discuss. | 12:46 |
| int_ua | 0_o | 12:46 |
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| vi_ | http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:HxXoetGtbPoJ:nesl.ee.ucla.edu/fw/documents/reports/2007/PowerAnalysis.pdf+wifi+vs+bluetooth+power+use&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjRabn41n1Zi73ZHPWQdGqCtRr1KAk2Ye-SuziotHmC3z1spcm-7ujDassHShEItvIUPRAOHFouLixnSNNQz7RXj5HknhnLw2ZbK_qc6u2IN3fiA1o6x8xXeido8KMYvrk94y_v&sig=AHIEtbRdsC45d2OX-iybeFs8C2LdWZjHgQ | 12:49 |
| Cor-Ai | haha short url :p | 12:50 |
| int_ua | Can anyone suggest where does marmistrz uploads libraries in the first place. He says it's been uploaded, but I can't see it in his repo: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1275885&postcount=525 | 12:51 |
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| vi_ | http://5z8.info/russian-brides_l7x8db_open_exe_begin_transfer | 12:51 |
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| vi_ | Is that any better? | 12:51 |
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| vi_ | int_ua: literally no idea. | 12:53 |
| int_ua | interesting document... | 12:54 |
| vi_ | uh-oh | 12:54 |
| vi_ | wiki.maemo.org, server certificate has expired... | 12:54 |
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| int_ua | :( | 12:56 |
| vi_ | kerio: ping | 12:59 |
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| teotwaki | /facepalm | 13:04 |
| teotwaki | In our callcentre solution, we have a mode that keeps the agent's phone connected to our system the whole time, so we don't have to ring out to them continuously, as soon as a new call arrives | 13:05 |
| teotwaki | The customer just created an "issue" in our tracker, saying they didn't understand why the phone wouldn't ring. We explained that the line was kept active (nearly) all day, she replied, saying she didn't understand why we couldn't make her phone ring, without hanging up. | 13:06 |
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| GGon | lmfao!! | 13:10 |
| GGon | as if it isnt bad enough when it is hung up? | 13:10 |
| GGon | now shewants it yo ring while active? | 13:10 |
| int_ua | kp52 saves batteries: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1276180&postcount=184 | 13:10 |
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| vi_ | teotwaki: ...PSDN does not work that way. | 13:12 |
| teotwaki | vi_: no shit? | 13:12 |
| vi_ | no, none. | 13:13 |
| vi_ | also I meant pstn. | 13:13 |
| teotwaki | vi_: You think you have to explain basic PSTN to a VoIP engineer? ;) | 13:13 |
| vi_ | no. | 13:13 |
| teotwaki | Anyway | 13:13 |
| teotwaki | Most people just don't understand telephony. | 13:13 |
| vi_ | But using the wrong acronym was annoying me. | 13:14 |
| vi_ | most people are useless farting skittles that are incapable of the slightest problem solving and lateral thinking. | 13:14 |
| int_ua | speaking of telephony: what are the use-cases for asterisk on N900? | 13:15 |
| teotwaki | I don't think it works, does it? | 13:15 |
| int_ua | haven't tried | 13:15 |
| teotwaki | I mean, it doesn't interface with the actual phone module | 13:15 |
| vi_ | int_ua: Lets say I want to set up my own ad-hoc wifi telephone network with NO GSM support. | 13:15 |
| vi_ | Easy, run asterisk on the N900, set yourself up as an acess point and set all your clients to use SIP. | 13:16 |
| vi_ | Granted it would be very short range... | 13:17 |
| int_ua | and with VPN? | 13:17 |
| vi_ | int_ua: I am pretty sure most symbian phones support VPN and SIP out of the box. | 13:18 |
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| halVIII | hello | 13:49 |
| Cor-Ai | morn | 13:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | teotwaki: you can't send an INVITE when session established? | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (not that this would usually make any sense :-P) | 14:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | adasterisk on n900 always felt *extremely* silly to me | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | prolly ported by some dumbass who didn't get it that SIP clients don't need local * | 14:24 |
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| Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer51: you have any knowledge about media player? | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sparse | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | it seems that sometimes, at random intervals, it empties/screws up its buffer when streaming audio | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | happens with both stock and OMP | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | its so annoying that i switched to KMplayer | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | it happens on 2g, 3g, wifi | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then it's MAFW | 14:31 |
| Lava_Croft | i figured | 14:31 |
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| Lava_Croft | most of the time it doesnt automagically fill it again either | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm | 14:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I've seen that on video playback, yes | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl, sorry | 14:33 |
| Lava_Croft | np | 14:36 |
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| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: you can, but it won't make any phone ring. Plus, remember this is PSTN, so either you get a session progress (183) signal back, or you don't get squat. | 14:46 |
| FlameReaper | DocScrutinizer51: I recall there was a tweak involving /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini | 14:55 |
| FlameReaper | How much good would it do me without it enabled? | 14:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | never heard of | 15:08 |
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| vi_ | kerio: ping | 15:09 |
| kerio | pong | 15:09 |
| kerio | hi | 15:09 |
| kerio | the autologin works ^___^ | 15:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you told that | 15:10 |
| kerio | not to vi_ | 15:10 |
| kerio | not everything is about you, joerg | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway it' s quite illy | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | silly, or ill | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if they don't need that IP, WTF is it there? | 15:11 |
| kerio | idk | 15:12 |
| kerio | but i don't want to risk removing it | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | risk? | 15:12 |
| kerio | autologin would stop working! | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OMFG | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | permanently eternally? | 15:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | for everybody? | 15:13 |
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| kerio | yes! | 15:14 |
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| Lava_Croft | FlameReaper: | 15:21 |
| Lava_Croft | It enabled HW accel | 15:22 |
| Lava_Croft | for h-d | 15:22 |
| Lava_Croft | enbales* | 15:22 |
| Lava_Croft | ok i give up | 15:22 |
| FlameReaper | It's okay, I understand | 15:23 |
| FlameReaper | I remembered the effect it had though | 15:23 |
| Lava_Croft | For me it smoothed the transitions | 15:23 |
| FlameReaper | and now I remember why HD would hang during transitions | 15:23 |
| Lava_Croft | yes, that could happen too | 15:24 |
| Lava_Croft | it differs per device it seems | 15:24 |
| Lava_Croft | I have used it for years, without problems | 15:24 |
| FlameReaper | and nothing short of a power cycle can help it... | 15:24 |
| Lava_Croft | after a reflash, i forgot to re-enable it and after months i didnt notice any difference | 15:24 |
| Lava_Croft | so i just left it disabled, which it was for a reason in the first place:) | 15:24 |
| Lava_Croft | http://www.coldbird.uk.to/?e=9 | 15:25 |
| Lava_Croft | aww poor PS Vita scene | 15:25 |
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| FlameReaper | I really want to find a used N900 where I can OC it on speeds at least 1GHz | 15:25 |
| FlameReaper | where its stable threshold is around that speed | 15:26 |
| Lava_Croft | i run my 2nd n900 at n900 mhz | 15:26 |
| Lava_Croft | so far the only thing it will probably do is decrease its lifetime | 15:26 |
| FlameReaper | I check for OC stability with the MyPaint app | 15:26 |
| Lava_Croft | i check it by using the device normally | 15:26 |
| FlameReaper | if it cannot run on a certain clock speed | 15:26 |
| FlameReaper | then it's a sign I can't run the device on that speed | 15:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yay | 16:09 |
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| entitled | vi_: didn't find the scud and the battery test topic said the polarcell is best available (and I live in europe) | 16:24 |
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| fasta | After a flash my phone appears to have an 'operator lock'. | 16:51 |
| fasta | Is that easy to remove? | 16:51 |
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| fasta | Never mind; it seems it's just a design UI failure. | 16:54 |
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| vi___ | freemangordon: ping | 17:32 |
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| teotwaki | Boss: "When did you plan on leaving on holiday? How many days do you have left?" | 18:21 |
| teotwaki | Me: "This monday, 11 days" | 18:21 |
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| teotwaki | Boss: "So from the 15th 'till the 24th?" | 18:22 |
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| teotwaki | Me: "How on earth did you calculate that?" | 18:22 |
| teotwaki | Boss: "Poorly." | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yay, feierabend | 18:29 |
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| kerio | is there a way to disable all the transitions? | 18:36 |
| kerio | setting the duration to 0 doesn't actually disable them | 18:36 |
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| vi___ | kerio: ping | 18:56 |
| kerio | pong | 18:57 |
| kerio | wtf do you want | 18:57 |
| vi___ | you, to be a little more civil sometimes -_- | 18:58 |
| kerio | k | 18:58 |
| kerio | hi vi___! how's it going? | 18:58 |
| vi___ | you played with BT PAN did'nt you? | 18:58 |
| merlin1991 | gotta love the picture on this article: http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/4/3453756/jolla-to-show-off-new-meego-based-os-in-finland-next-month | 18:58 |
| kerio | i din't | 18:58 |
| vi___ | oh | 18:59 |
| vi___ | well that concludes that then! | 18:59 |
| vi___ | as for transissions, there is a lot more you can do apart from reducing times. | 19:00 |
| vi___ | kerio: did you try to install bluez-utils? | 19:00 |
| deepy | Why is it a new operating system based on meego? backwards compatibility too painful? | 19:00 |
| vi___ | merlin1991: ...on an n950? | 19:01 |
| kerio | vi___: i just want to disable them | 19:01 |
| kerio | anyway, no | 19:01 |
| kerio | what do they have? | 19:02 |
| kerio | i thought the utils were in bluez already | 19:02 |
| merlin1991 | vi___: the best thing about it is the icon set, it's harmattan icons with different colours :P (on a n950) | 19:02 |
| vi___ | merlin1991: I did not see thta closely. | 19:02 |
| merlin1991 | deepy: they need to invent their own aegis that breaks backwards compatibility ;) | 19:03 |
| vi___ | merlin1991: do you think the picture is from jolla? | 19:03 |
| merlin1991 | vi___: nope, but it's so badly shopped | 19:03 |
| vi___ | 9/10 for effort. | 19:03 |
| kerio | vi___: i mean, i have rfcomm and sdptool installed | 19:04 |
| vi___ | does that mean the jolla big reveal is going to be next month? | 19:04 |
| kerio | from PR1.3.1 | 19:04 |
| vi___ | kerio: they are from bluez? | 19:04 |
| kerio | but luf said he has an updated bluez that maybe works | 19:04 |
| kerio | vi___: i suppose so | 19:04 |
| kerio | bluez: /usr/bin/rfcomm | 19:04 |
| kerio | yep | 19:04 |
| vi___ | merlin1991: I am prepaired for massive disappoint. | 19:05 |
| vi___ | Just like the N9 announcement. | 19:05 |
| vi___ | Is there any wiki entry on N900 DUN? | 19:05 |
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| vi___ | That is using another mobile phone as a DUM for the N900. | 19:06 |
| vi___ | wvdial style. | 19:06 |
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| kerio | vi___: you could use wvdial | 19:08 |
| kerio | everything like that is basically "do whatever you'd do on normal unixes and then launch the dummy network so stuff that wants ICD to tell them it's ok works fine" | 19:09 |
| vi___ | how to get the dummy network? | 19:10 |
| vi___ | also, there is no wvdial for maemo | 19:10 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: now you have some powers over maemo repos, would you mind to PURGE ALL TRACES OF BATTERYPATCH AND SPEEDPATCH. Thanks in advance :P | 19:11 |
| merlin1991 | I still have none | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | ouch | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | hmm, is council aware? | 19:11 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: ! | 19:12 |
| vi___ | a moment of your time if you have? | 19:12 |
| freemangordon | yep | 19:12 |
| freemangordon | go on | 19:12 |
| vi___ | my n900 still crashes when playing some videos with SR enabled. | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | which peofile? dsp? | 19:13 |
| vi___ | I set dsp_boost to 250 | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | *profile | 19:13 |
| vi___ | I dont have a profile... | 19:13 |
| vi___ | I know you are going to say to low voltage. | 19:13 |
| * ShadowJK 's spare n900 is only stable with boot and default profile, iirc :) | 19:13 | |
| freemangordon | hmm. dmesg? | 19:14 |
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| vi___ | let me give you the details. | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: default enables SR ;) | 19:14 |
| vi___ | frequency locked to 900MHz | 19:14 |
| vi___ | dsp_boost to 250 | 19:14 |
| ShadowJK | I also noticed it has lower voltage at 500 and 600? | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: does not matter as SR is enabled | 19:15 |
| vi___ | my 900 has a voltage of around 58-60 | 19:15 |
| vi___ | at 900mhz | 19:15 |
| vi___ | http://cxg.de/_afc87b.htm | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | vi___: is it stable with default and dsp profiles? what frequency has your DSP @ 720,805,850 nad 900? | 19:15 |
| vi___ | DSP speed is 600MHz | 19:17 |
| freemangordon | still using compcahce? | 19:17 |
| vi___ | http://cxg.de/_c43828.htm | 19:18 |
| vi___ | no, I turned it off to try and isolate the cause of the issue. | 19:18 |
| freemangordon | vi___: man, WTF is that? 600:47,600 720:51,600 805:53,600 900:60,600 | 19:18 |
| vi___ | obviously wrong. | 19:19 |
| freemangordon | any more questions? :P | 19:19 |
| vi___ | but It still crashes when the frequency is locked to 900MHz | 19:19 |
| freemangordon | SmartReflex VDD1=0, VDD2=0 | 19:19 |
| vi___ | i.e. no other freq is used. | 19:19 |
| freemangordon | raise the voltage by 1-2 | 19:20 |
| freemangordon | vi___: why do you need 900? | 19:20 |
| vi___ | yeah, I switched it off earlier to isolate the problem. | 19:20 |
| vi___ | because MOAR MEGAHURTZ IS MOARE BETTER. | 19:20 |
| freemangordon | and it still crashes? | 19:20 |
| freemangordon | with SR off? | 19:20 |
| vi___ | with SR off, there is no crash | 19:20 |
| freemangordon | vi_: does it crash with default profile? | 19:21 |
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| vi___ | ...I don't have KPS> | 19:21 |
| freemangordon | well, install it | 19:22 |
| vi___ | A | 19:22 |
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| freemangordon | vi_: still here? | 19:23 |
| vi__ | yeah | 19:24 |
| vi__ | stupid ctrl key got stuck | 19:24 |
| vi__ | on BT keyboard | 19:25 |
| freemangordon | vi__: do you still use compcache? | 19:25 |
| vi__ | sometimes. | 19:25 |
| freemangordon | do not :; | 19:25 |
| freemangordon | ;) | 19:25 |
| vi__ | but it is so sweet. | 19:25 |
| freemangordon | vi__: install KPS and load default profile and test. if it does not crash load dsp profile and test. if it crashes boost DSP voltage | 19:26 |
| vi__ | is see dsp profile misses out 900MHz, why is that? | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | if it still crashes lower your DSP frequency | 19:26 |
| vi__ | i see dsp profile misses out 900MHz, why is that? | 19:27 |
| freemangordon | vanadis: because 900 is too high | 19:27 |
| freemangordon | vi__: ^^^ | 19:27 |
| vi__ | oh, I was under the impression 900 was working. There we go then! | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | vi__: it works. But for MPU. DSP is not guaranteed to work | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | put 580 instead of 600 for DSP and you will see | 19:29 |
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| freemangordon | vi__: my goal was to have absolutely stable SR for stock frequencies. And I hink that is achieved | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | *think | 19:30 |
| vi__ | for stock, almost certainly. | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | stable SR when OCing DSP is possible, but it will lead to bigger battery drain for those with "good" devices. | 19:30 |
| vi__ | but we users are greedy for bogomips. | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | well, your device does not fall in that category, so your option is to lower your DSP frequency | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | though you'd better test dsp profile first | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | anything above 720 drastically reducec your battery life. 900 is too much now we have thumb ;) | 19:32 |
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| freemangordon | vi__: if it was not for HD I will run my device on stock speeds | 19:33 |
| kerio | HD? | 19:33 |
| vi__ | actually anything above 600. | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | well, 720 is not THAT bad | 19:33 |
| kerio | hildon-desktop, or high definition? | 19:33 |
| vi__ | I plotted the power use. | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | i remember | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | kerio: high def | 19:34 |
| vi__ | kerio: High def | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: you're aware that Nokia's HW-wizard extraordinaire warned all developers on an early N900 community meeting to lock CÜU freq to SIXHUNDRED? otherwise device would fry | 19:42 |
| freemangordon | to LOCK on 600? | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-04 18:14:41] <vi___> frequency locked to 900MHz | 19:43 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I do not normally do that. | 19:43 |
| vi__ | It was just to test the device at 900. | 19:44 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: my question was: did Nokia's HW wizard recommend to LOCK@600? | 19:44 |
| freemangordon | or to not go higher than | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: lrn2read | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warned all developers ... to lock CÜU freq to 600 | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe my english is bad | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | poor | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | He said "don't do izt! EVER!" | 19:45 |
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| freemangordon | aah, DON'T LOCK it. maybe you'll want to read what you wrote. lrn2write | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess in English you can positively warn somebody he actually _shall_ do sth | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, pardon my french | 19:47 |
| vi__ | is this the same HW wizard that is responsible for the USB socket? | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in German you can only warn so somebody does NOT do some particular thing | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | LOL | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: leaving it up to you to finf out | 19:48 |
| ShadowJK | it was popular in diablo days to disable cpufreq, because cpufreq was pretty slow and it affected responsiveness significantly. When N900 came out they warned against doing the same on n900, as n900 cpu's declared life decreases a few magnitudes running at the overclock to 600 vs 500 | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | vi__: well, besides USB socket Nokia did a descent job with N900 | 19:49 |
| ShadowJK | and the cellmo death | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | yeah :( | 19:49 |
| vi__ | or the tiny backup battery. | 19:50 |
| freemangordon | vi__: that's not Nokia | 19:50 |
| vi__ | or the easy to wear out slider. | 19:50 |
| freemangordon | what? | 19:50 |
| freemangordon | never heard of that | 19:51 |
| vi__ | dont you found your slider is...slack now? | 19:51 |
| * ShadowJK hasnt noticed | 19:51 | |
| vi__ | are you right handed? | 19:51 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 19:51 |
| freemangordon | me too, and my slider is ok | 19:51 |
| vi__ | hold your n900 in your R/hand. | 19:51 |
| ShadowJK | my N810 slider doesnt slide straight | 19:52 |
| vi__ | open the slider with the same hand using the thumb on the corner. | 19:52 |
| freemangordon | vi__: and? | 19:52 |
| ShadowJK | I always have thumb on middle? | 19:52 |
| vi__ | now do the same with your left. | 19:52 |
| freemangordon | vi__: it is ok | 19:52 |
| vi__ | mmmm. | 19:52 |
| freemangordon | no slack here | 19:52 |
| vi__ | maybe I have brutal thumbs. | 19:52 |
| ShadowJK | if I do it in the corner, right hand corner opens 2mm before left moves | 19:53 |
| vi__ | THERE!! | 19:53 |
| ShadowJK | on left, moves slughtly less before right side moves | 19:53 |
| vi__ | the only way to fix it is to bend a bit of the end stop in the slide mechanism. | 19:54 |
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| freemangordon | the same happens on my second device, which is not used | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq | 19:54 |
| freemangordon | or almost the same | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 19:54 |
| Cor-Ai | mine does that too, started doing it after i droped it on a concret floor | 19:54 |
| vi__ | concrete will do that to a phone. | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and as long as it snaps into end positions nicely, I don't see a problem, nor a reason to BEND anything :-o | 19:55 |
| freemangordon | aah, mine had this experience 3 times :D | 19:55 |
| freemangordon | (concrete) | 19:55 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I am obsessive. | 19:55 |
| vi__ | in other news... | 19:55 |
| Cor-Ai | vi__: yupp, everytime! :/ | 19:55 |
| vi__ | if you disable screen autolock, xorg never goes the fuck to sleep. | 19:55 |
| freemangordon | vi__: deffinitely there is no problem with the slider, I have this device since 02.2010 | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in other news, how do you enjoy my bomb on council election? | 19:56 |
| freemangordon | hmm, seems I missed the party | 19:56 |
| freemangordon | lemme see | 19:56 |
| ShadowJK | my N810 slider has enough play that it can't be reliable opened with force on a corner :) | 19:56 |
| vi__ | I lost track... | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1276405&postcount=34 | 19:56 |
| vi__ | ShadowJK: thats what I meant, my 2 previous n900 went like that. | 19:56 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: seems reasonable. | 19:57 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: actually sound reasonable. | 19:57 |
| freemangordon | *sounds | 19:57 |
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| vi__ | but running n900@900MHz just seems so right! | 20:01 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh you :3 | 20:03 |
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| vi__ | it is 14degrees in my house. | 20:14 |
| vi__ | fuck this weather. | 20:14 |
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| merlin1991 | just to add to the concrete discussion | 20:51 |
| merlin1991 | my first n900 olst the emmc due to drop to concrete | 20:51 |
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| fasta | How many hours does your n900 battery last if you do absolutely nothing, but wifi is on? | 21:00 |
| kerio | fasta: you can calculate that | 21:01 |
| kerio | it also depends on the wifi powersaving working properly | 21:01 |
| kerio | and it depends on how you configure your router | 21:01 |
| fasta | kerio: if I know a bunch of numbers, which I don't, yes. | 21:01 |
| kerio | merlin1991: hehe, did the rest work? | 21:01 |
| kerio | fasta: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 21:02 |
| fasta | kerio: also, I cannot calculate how long _yours_ last. | 21:02 |
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| kerio | Wifi on with maximum powersaving. +~2 mA | 21:02 |
| fasta | kerio: and voltage? | 21:03 |
| kerio | idk | 21:03 |
| kerio | but it shouldn't change much | 21:03 |
| fasta | kerio: uhm, you cannot calculate energy if you don't have extra information. | 21:04 |
| kerio | you have information about the current though | 21:05 |
| kerio | and information about the charge in your battery | 21:05 |
| fasta | Speaking of wiki, how can you turn it off completely? | 21:06 |
| fasta | wifi* | 21:06 |
| kerio | haha | 21:06 |
| kerio | well, it's off | 21:07 |
| kerio | if you don't connect to anything | 21:07 |
| fasta | I have the impression that because some applications want to connect, it automatically connects. | 21:07 |
| kerio | oh, you can make them ask | 21:07 |
| kerio | ...but asking triggers a scan | 21:07 |
| fasta | I don't want to make them ask. | 21:07 |
| kerio | unload the wifi kernel module | 21:07 |
| fasta | I just want a global on/off button. | 21:07 |
| kerio | there are some GUIs for that | 21:07 |
| fasta | kerio: please name one of them which doesn't suck. | 21:08 |
| kerio | you want too much, now | 21:08 |
| fasta | kerio: name one then? | 21:08 |
| fasta | still too much? | 21:08 |
| kerio | wifi switcher or something like that | 21:08 |
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| kerio | i think it's one of the stupid ones, though | 21:08 |
| kerio | you can make one with queen beecon | 21:09 |
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| fasta | Did any of your hardcore people replace the battery with some 'enhanced' one? | 21:24 |
| fasta | you* | 21:24 |
| ShadowJK | iirc estel did | 21:25 |
| ShadowJK | and a bunch of people on forums | 21:25 |
| vi__ | fasta: do not worry about the wifi. | 21:26 |
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| vi__ | look on tmo for battery thread, you will find details of a 1500mah battery. | 21:26 |
| fasta | vi__: I get about 4 hours of wifi I think, without actually using it. | 21:26 |
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| vi__ | please elaborate | 21:27 |
| ShadowJK | that's about what you get without wifi powersaving | 21:27 |
| ShadowJK | wifi connected but idle, and wifi powersaving working, and you'd get days | 21:27 |
| fasta | ShadowJK: is wifi powersaving what I need to turn on on the router? | 21:27 |
| vi__ | 4 hours of battery life?? | 21:28 |
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| fasta | vi__: yeah, short life, isn't it? | 21:28 |
| vi__ | Your phone is fucked. | 21:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | got a polarcell, much improvement on the stock nokia one | 21:28 |
| vi__ | Complete reflash and start again. | 21:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | 4 hours! idle? | 21:28 |
| fasta | vi__: how long is your battery life? | 21:29 |
| vi__ | streaming music over wifi today i was burning off about 250mA | 21:29 |
| fasta | sixwheeledbeast: with wifi on with one of the AP apps. | 21:29 |
| vi__ | so that is about 5 hours. | 21:29 |
| fasta | sixwheeledbeast: and the weather app. | 21:29 |
| vi__ | constant music streaming. | 21:29 |
| vi__ | potentially 6. | 21:30 |
| fasta | Is there some way to measure how much cycles the battery has had? | 21:30 |
| fasta | many* | 21:30 |
| vi__ | unless you have never changed battery/done learn mode then no. | 21:31 |
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| vi__ | how old is your battery? | 21:36 |
| fasta | vi__: between 1 and 2 years. | 21:37 |
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| kerio | fasta: probably a combination of depleted battery, crappy router with non-working powersaving (or maybe you have windows PCs in the lan, they tend to spam the hell out of broadcast messages so powersaving doesn't work, pretty much), that widget that keeps exchanging data | 21:50 |
| fasta | kerio: I think I have it in power hungry mode (the router), because previously it wasn't working at all. | 21:51 |
| fasta | kerio: I will change that now. | 21:51 |
| fasta | kerio: I can't really find the setting now. It's a relatively new router. I think it should support it. | 21:52 |
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| kerio | it's not something that you enable, really | 21:53 |
| kerio | you do enable it on the n900 side | 21:53 |
| kerio | on the connection settings | 21:53 |
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| kerio | do you have windows PCs? | 21:53 |
| fasta | kerio: not connected | 21:53 |
| kerio | were they connected? | 21:54 |
| int_ua | I haven't read the thread about post-Nokia era yet, does it mentions the repository with crash reporter, valgrind, etc? Is it called SDK-tool?s | 21:54 |
| fasta | kerio: no | 21:54 |
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| fasta | kerio: found the n900 setting | 21:56 |
| fasta | kerio: will the lowest setting be enough to go through concrete? | 21:56 |
| kerio | put it at the maximum, but with powersaving | 21:56 |
| fasta | kerio: it also works at the minimum \o/ | 21:57 |
| kerio | \o/ | 21:57 |
| fasta | kerio: that's better, right? | 21:57 |
| fasta | I mean: I can imagine that under low power settings that it has to try 100 times and that's more costly. | 21:58 |
| fasta | But probably not the case. | 21:58 |
| fasta | There's one other thing which bother me about all the browsers in existence: they don't just remember the rendering of the previous page. | 22:01 |
| fasta | I would like a 'back button', which just goes back without contacting any server. | 22:01 |
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| ShadowJK | the power saving setting has nothing to do with transmission power | 22:02 |
| ShadowJK | but the one where you can pick 100mW or 10mW does affect transmission power, but has very little difference for power use | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 22:11 |
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| StyXman | ~flashing | 22:49 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:49 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: my uptime is awful | 23:20 |
| kerio | because i keep rebooting to do BM backups | 23:20 |
| kerio | that's a good reason to reboot, right? | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my uptime is horror, every single minute of it. So I ponder to pull the plug, at least for a few weeks, maybe months | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stupid assholes all over the place | 23:21 |
| kerio | 1) lol politics | 23:22 |
| kerio | 2) *hug* | 23:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 gors mirroring all repos, and say Fucj You Clowns | 23:22 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 goes mirroring all repos, and say Fuck You Clowns | 23:23 | |
| kerio | we'll have our own council! with blackjack and hookers! | 23:23 |
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| kerio | actually, let's skip the council and the blackjack | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got my private hooker, and I won't lent it away | 23:23 |
| kerio | 'twas a futurama reference | 23:24 |
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