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ShadowJK	the gprs data counter also doesn't let you calculate cost when there's minimum charge per use :/	01:18
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ShadowJK	wait, the gprs counters arent per month either?	01:22
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ShadowJK	manual reset like the call timers	01:22
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DocScrutinizer05	or per autodetected notification SMS from your carrier	01:41
DocScrutinizer05	(another point on my nice-to-have maybe-todo list)	01:42
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archeyDevil	Hey.. could anyone here explain why my nokia n900 won't upgrade correctly? apt-get upgrade = apt "upgrades" (every time) and there are 6 not upgraded packages.	07:31
archeyDevil	The following packages have been kept back: libcurl3 libgcc1 libsdl-mixer1.2 libstdc++6	07:32
archeyDevil	The following packages will be upgraded: apt	07:32
archeyDevil	1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.	07:32
archeyDevil	http://ix.io/35u	07:34
archeyDevil	^_^ ssh apt-get dist-upgrade # Why this fail?? and apt-get upgrade # No fail but won't continue to do the rest nor stop "updating" apt.	07:35
ShadowJK	apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade usually mess up things	07:47
archeyDevil	What todo then?	07:48
ShadowJK	dont use apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade	07:51
ShadowJK	I'm surprised system wasnt blown away into unbootable state rightaway :P	07:53
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narwalrus	Hello	07:57
narwalrus	(?)	07:57
narwalrus	How do I transfer files into /opt on my n900?	07:58
narwalrus	I can't find it	07:58
narwalrus	okay..	07:59
narwalrus	so I got opt open in my terminal	07:59
narwalrus	but need to transfer files into a subdir	07:59
narwalrus	preferably with a gui	08:00
narwalrus	please someone be not dead	08:00
ShadowJK	I don't know of a gui, system directories aren't visible in maemo guis	08:00
ShadowJK	presumably so you dont do anything silly	08:00
narwalrus	Aha	08:01
Skry	man cp	08:01
Skry	oh, no man pages	08:01
narwalrus	I can cp just fine	08:01
narwalrus	But I'm lazy	08:01
narwalrus	and if for in the furure I can make them availiable it would be nice	08:01
narwalrus	Any way around that?	08:01
Skry	just being sarcastic about missing man-pages in maemo	08:02
narwalrus	Where could I drop the files to transfer from	08:02
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narwalrus	is /home the same as te viewable root	08:02
narwalrus	the*	08:02
ShadowJK	/home/user/MyDocs/ is what gets exported over usb	08:03
narwalrus	Okay.	08:03
narwalrus	I need to copy a directory and a file to /opt	08:03
narwalrus	Two seperate cp's?	08:04
narwalrus	Or just space between them, or what	08:04
ShadowJK	if you want a gui, openssh on n900 and filezilla on a pc could work if you've got wifi lan	08:05
narwalrus	I do.	08:05
narwalrus	Openssh	08:05
narwalrus	Sounds complicated	08:05
narwalrus	whats my cp command need to be?	08:05
narwalrus	home/user/MyDocs/file cp /opt	08:06
narwalrus	and then again but with the other directory	08:06
ShadowJK	cp goes first	08:06
narwalrus	is all, right?	08:06
narwalrus	oh right	08:06
ShadowJK	and cp -r for directory	08:06
archeyDevil	Any reason I can't get my sd card to mount on my n900?	08:06
archeyDevil	doesn't show up in blkid	08:06
narwalrus	so: cp -r directory directory and then for the file: cp file directory	08:06
ShadowJK	if your back cover on?	08:06
ShadowJK	narwalrus; yes..	08:07
narwalrus	Will do.. thanks	08:07
narwalrus	By the way, just trying to put cavestory on here haha..	08:07
ShadowJK	archeyDevil; there's a little magnet in the back cover. when you remove back cover, sd is unmounted and unaccesible. Also if the magnet is lost it wont notice if back cover is on	08:08
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ShadowJK	heh, it'd make more sense for cavesory to access data files in Mydocs, and easier for users, but i guess author didnt think that far :/	08:11
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narwalrus	It's a port of course...	08:14
narwalrus	By a user	08:15
narwalrus	And it works I suppose	08:15
narwalrus	I gotta restart and go back to windows to run the patcher before I transfer	08:15
narwalrus	so cya	08:15
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ShadowJK	archeyDevil; if you're a linux poweruser type person, beware that although it looks like debian, it doesnt always behave like debian. examples; /etc/fstab does nothing, apt-get can be dangerous for some things, initscripts are run by busybox, a single typo if you edit them usually results in device rebooting on boot.	08:17
ShadowJK	(and dont try change default shell away from busybox)	08:20
kerio	>don't try to change the default shell away from busybox	08:20
kerio	why?	08:20
kerio	it works fine	08:20
ShadowJK	maybe it was on diablo that it blows up	08:23
kerio	i mean, there's no reason scripts should blow up	08:23
kerio	they start with "#!/bin/sh"	08:23
kerio	aka run with /bin/sh	08:23
kerio	you might have a problem if bash isn't in /etc/shells	08:24
kerio	because sometimes you can only login if your login shell is listed there	08:24
kerio	so... list it	08:24
kerio	...i mean, put it there	08:24
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narwalrus	"can't cd to bin"	09:00
narwalrus	So I got it running, but now I need to fix the shortcut	09:00
narwalrus	Which is in bin	09:00
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narwalrus	Help?	09:00
Skry	what bin? you mean /bin ?	09:04
Skry	or perhaps /usr/bin ?	09:05
narwalrus	/bin	09:07
narwalrus	So do I need to ssh/ftp to it?	09:08
Skry	cd /bin gives you that error? you have rights to enter it?	09:08
narwalrus	I'm su in the terminal session	09:09
narwalrus	Seems odd	09:09
Skry	very	09:09
narwalrus	" /hom # cd bin	09:10
narwalrus	/bin/sh: cd: can't cd to bin	09:10
Skry	cd /bin	09:10
narwalrus	ohhhhh....	09:10
narwalrus	that worked	09:10
narwalrus	:P	09:10
narwalrus	Thanks	09:10
Skry	np	09:11
Skry	cd bin tries to enter directory named bin in current dir	09:11
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narwalrus	btw	09:14
narwalrus	Realized O have a french keyboard n900 today	09:14
narwalrus	I*	09:14
narwalrus	also	09:15
narwalrus	:wq exits and saves vi right?	09:15
Skry	yes	09:15
narwalrus	Okay...	09:16
narwalrus	I need an ampersand	09:16
narwalrus	and my keyboard doesnt have one	09:16
narwalrus	interent?	09:16
narwalrus	find one and copy it?	09:16
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DocScrutinizer05	teotwaki: pong	09:18
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DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK: kerio: nope, the busybox dependencies in initscripts (or rather, xsession or whatever starts processes under user, for desktop) are quite well known for early fremantle	09:29
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DocScrutinizer05	that's what our bitching e*_ friend never really decoded when I explained why changing busybox to busybox power might be dangerous	09:30
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DocScrutinizer05	I never talked about friggin "3rd party scripts", what a nonsense	09:31
DocScrutinizer05	it been hildon-desktop itself that didn't boot when you changed user's default shell (plus unix-tools) from messybox to bash+proper, and that caused a bootloop thanks dsme, and users doing this change of user's default shell had to reflash	09:33
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DocScrutinizer05	iirc we even once had traced the problem down to a particular cmd that behaved non-posix'ish in messybox and the script depended on that behaviour. Can't recall whether it been ls, ps, or sth completely different	09:37
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DocScrutinizer05	anyway I think bash worked fine as long as you didn't replace that particular messybox provided unix-tool by its original, and bash and unix-tools ever worked great for user:"root" and initscripts, it's always been user:"user" and X startup that failed	09:41
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Skry	sometimes i just wonder how nokia managed to make maemo such an abomination :\	09:52
Skry	sure hildon desktop is very nice to use, looks and behaves good but internally its just.. well, that.	09:53
freemangordon	Skry: how is kernel 3.4 going?	09:54
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Skry	freemangordon: 3.5.4 is running steady, bumped into some problems with 3.6, I'm about to upload 3.5 to my arch repo today once i get it packaged	09:56
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freemangordon	good, so we can expect maemo5 with 3.5.4 by the end of the month? :P	09:58
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Skry	freemangordon: high hopes! :D seriously speakin, I'll try and see what happens when I get charging and sgx done and I already have modem patches for 3.x waiting for love.	10:02
Skry	happens when I try to boot to maemo that is	10:03
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freemangordon	Skry: did bqxxx and rx51_battery patches from Pali apply to your tree?	10:03
freemangordon	or you didn't try them?	10:04
freemangordon	as if those apply, charging should work OOB	10:04
Skry	freemangordon: I tried only bq patch but it didnt quite work out	10:04
freemangordon	:( . strange, IIRC Pali prepared it for upstreaming	10:05
Skry	it detects charger ok, sysfs shows its charging but in reality it does not charge	10:05
freemangordon	bq_battery would not enable charging, you need bq_charger	10:06
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Skry	bq24??_charger from git is the one i used	10:06
freemangordon	hmm, it should work, how did you check if it is charging or not?	10:07
Skry	the one which requires patch against isp1704 which is quite unorthodox especially when there is charger_manager around	10:07
Skry	i checked it from bq27x00_battery	10:07
freemangordon	the current? it should be negative when charging	10:08
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Skry	it shows discharging, and all the readings lower normally	10:08
freemangordon	Skry: did you remember if current was positive or negative?	10:09
Skry	I think it was positive	10:09
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freemangordon	well, that is very strange	10:09
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freemangordon	bqxxx_charger works ok with stock kernel, I don't see a reason why it would not work with 3.5	10:10
Skry	anyhow, manually charging with joergs script works (and gets reported by bq27x00) so I think I'll adapt it to work with udev which should be enough for now	10:11
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freemangordon	maybe you can ask Pali for some help, he should know the code pretty well	10:11
Skry	I already did	10:11
freemangordon	Skry: BTW I don't think sgx is of that much importance, most of the benchmarks say that 2D SW rendering is faster than OGL on sgx530 (IIRC)	10:12
freemangordon	and I think it was aapo who built and tested hidon-desktop without OGL acceleration. though can't remember what was the outcome :D	10:13
Skry	noticed that one too, I did a quick and dirty hack to fbdev-sgx and got it running, very slowly.	10:14
freemangordon	slowly as in?	10:14
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freemangordon	because lxde in ubuntu is very fast	10:15
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freemangordon	hi Pali	10:15
Skry	slower than regular fbdev. i also noticed those /* render acceleration is slow and unstable, enable if you dare */ comments in fbdev-sgx source	10:15
freemangordon	Skry: and by very fast, I mean as fast as on my desktop	10:16
Skry	enlightenment is also very fast on fbdev	10:16
freemangordon	aaah	10:16
Hurrian	ohai Skry.	10:16
freemangordon	well, then why do you need 2D accel?	10:16
Skry	because :)	10:16
freemangordon	after all sgx is 3D acceleratior :P	10:16
Skry	Hurrian: hi	10:16
Hurrian	Skry, so if I have the details right, the current fbdev is OMAP?	10:17
Hurrian	*the built in one on the OMAP?	10:17
Skry	freemangordon: most ideal would be if someone could hack xv into xf86-video-modesetting so omapdrm would be usable	10:17
Pali	freemangordon, hi	10:17
Skry	Hurrian: fbdev is fbdev :)	10:18
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Hurrian	2D acceleration wouldn't really provide a perf boost, but it is a stepping stone to 3D.	10:19
freemangordon	Hurrian: it should be, but for some reason Skry wants omapdrm, not omaplfb :D	10:19
freemangordon	(fbdev)	10:19
Skry	i dont necessarily want, I prefer :	10:19
Skry	)	10:19
freemangordon	:P	10:20
freemangordon	but you don;t have x driver for it AIUI	10:20
Hurrian	freemangordon, KMS and DRM being the two biggest reasons	10:20
freemangordon	do we really need KMS on n900?	10:21
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Hurrian	uhh, it makes the 30 seconds you look at Plymouth nice and shiny	10:22
Hurrian	and iirc it's needed for Wayland	10:22
Skry	freemangordon: there is unaccelerated modeset driver for x, and there is the "official" driver with hardware acceleration but a) it does not work on n900 (it has software rendering too) for some reason and b) it relies on closed source libs which are currently omap4 only	10:22
Hurrian	both of which we don't need right now, but are neat	10:22
freemangordon	Skry: isn't it possible to forward-port sgx from meego n900 HW adaptation and use closed blobg from meego?	10:23
freemangordon	*blobs	10:23
Skry	Hurrian: stskeeps has had wayland running on n900 framebuffer	10:23
freemangordon	those are v1.4 for omap3 soft or hardfp	10:24
Hurrian	iirc Skry's kernel uses the newest OMAP SGX code	10:24
freemangordon	yes, but it seems usermode blobs does not work as they are for omap4	10:25
freemangordon	if I get it right	10:25
Hurrian	that's correct.	10:25
Skry	freemangordon: i already have 3d working with latest ti drivers on framebuffer, and the fbdev-sgx i mentioned is from meego/mer	10:25
Skry	working == tests pass :P	10:26
freemangordon	hmm, you don;t really need 2D through SGX, you want it through framebuffer, trust me on that	10:27
freemangordon	video overlays won't work with sgx	10:27
freemangordon	Skry: i played a lot with this back in times i was doing 720p	10:27
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freemangordon	not to mention stuff like DMA to fb, etc	10:28
freemangordon	and iirc sgx does some SW resizing/ color space conversions	10:28
Hurrian	freemangordon, the "DSS2" ?	10:29
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freemangordon	yes, that is what we want	10:29
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Skry	hmm, maybe I'll leave that then for now then	10:29
freemangordon	you better leave it forever	10:30
freemangordon	it gains nothing	10:30
freemangordon	Hurrian: you may try sgx drive in maemo5 too	10:30
Hurrian	freemangordon, getting GLES2 working in 3.5 and newer would be nice	10:31
freemangordon	by building a simple gstreamer pipeline, and choosing device=1 for xvideosink	10:31
freemangordon	but AIUI this one works	10:31
freemangordon	Skry: is trying to enable sgx X driver, not ogl acceleration	10:31
Skry	yeah, ogl already works	10:32
Skry	sorta	10:32
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Skry	anyways, there is new version of the drivers coming from ti which should have big improvements	10:33
freemangordon	for aomp3?	10:34
freemangordon	*omap	10:34
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freemangordon	Skry: BTW I have about 8-10 different SGX SDK versions	10:34
freemangordon	(install packages that is)	10:34
Skry	i understood that omap3 support would a matter of getting someone from ti to compile those drivers	10:35
Skry	would be	10:35
Skry	but we'll see how it turns out	10:36
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Skry	IMO that sdk is unbelievable crap	10:37
freemangordon	Skry: no matter the drivers, I don't think there is a way HW 2D rendering to be faster that SW. And you still have the problems with gfx/ovl	10:37
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freemangordon	an example: you know how mediaplayer overlays buttons over the video. it is gfx DSS2 plane that is used for those buttons	10:38
flux	you can use opengl for video rendering, but it's going to consume a lot more electricity than using overlays	10:38
freemangordon	and avl1 or 2 is used for the video	10:38
freemangordon	*ovl1	10:39
freemangordon	sgx driver uses gfx layer for vide	10:39
freemangordon	o	10:39
freemangordon	flux: :nod:	10:39
freemangordon	Skry: so there is no way to show such buttons in HW	10:40
freemangordon	AFAIK	10:40
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Skry	damn it, there is gotta be even some use of that pos chip, I've wasted so many hours with it :D	10:41
freemangordon	Skry: sgx530? use it for what it is supposed to be used - 3D accel :P	10:42
freemangordon	and use DSS2 for 2D/video/TV out, etc	10:43
teotwaki	DocScrutinizer05: wanted to pick your brain regarding phone unlocking (not Nokia phones). Do you have any knowledge?	10:43
teotwaki	(in that area... I know you have knowledge otherwise :P)	10:43
deepy	teotwaki: what kind of phone is it?	10:45
Skry	freemangordon: meh, I guess you're right. I started playing with omapdrm in hopes for wayland, then I found out that wayland can run on framebuffer (mer guys are doing it on n900 already), and somehow i got stuck in a loop and started this hassle with all these drivers :S	10:48
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freemangordon	Skry: I am :P. Imagine if you want a video to be played decoding with DSP using DMA to framebuffer and HW rescaler. No way to achieve that with SGX	10:51
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freemangordon	or capturing a video with ISP doing DMA to fb, thus avoiding 2 memcpys per frame for preview vindow	10:53
freemangordon	etc, etc	10:53
teotwaki	deepy: blackberry.	10:54
Skry	freemangordon: yeah, i get you. btw have you noticed that there is video scaler for dsp available from ti?	10:54
teotwaki	I see a lot of sites that offer to give me unlock codes for 10 quid or so, so I'm thinking: Where the hell did they get the algorithm to calculate said unlock code...	10:55
freemangordon	Skry: VPP? :P	10:55
freemangordon	is is not only a rescaler ;)	10:55
freemangordon	it can do crop/color space conv too.	10:55
freemangordon	though ysing VPP is not a good idea while capturing HD video. BTW if we manage to run newer kernel with maemo5 I will show you some magic by using ISP rescaler :D	10:57
freemangordon	everything in HW	10:57
Skry	damn, gotta start working then :D	10:57
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freemangordon	Skry: yeah, I am 99% sure I can output HW downsampled HD on TV out	10:58
Skry	why arent you already doing so? :)	10:58
freemangordon	because there were some probles in stock kernel IIRC	10:59
freemangordon	and DSS just cannot downscalle 720p to PAL/NTSC	10:59
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freemangordon	anyway, I got to go, bbl	10:59
Skry	seeya	11:00
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vi_	teotwaki: dont buy online codes.	11:54
vi_	Your best bet is to take it to a phone chop-shop.	11:54
vi_	kerio: ping	11:55
teotwaki	vi_: but even then, I don't see why I should pay for it...	11:55
teotwaki	vi_: and phone chop shops in France aren't all that popular, to be honest.	11:56
vi_	for unlocking your phone?	11:56
vi_	did you buy this phone 2nd hand?	11:56
teotwaki	Was given to me.	11:56
teotwaki	I'd like to unlock it so I can use it as a backup.	11:56
vi_	do you know the giver well?	11:56
teotwaki	He's my CEO :)	11:56
vi_	good.	11:56
teotwaki	But it wasn't his.	11:57
vi_	bad.	11:57
teotwaki	Anyway, I know I can just go to a local shop and have it unlocked.	11:57
teotwaki	But if there are a bazillion websites that are able to generate the code for me, if I pay them good money.	11:58
vi_	Although, if you pay for an online code with a credit card and it fails you can always just do a chargeback.	11:58
teotwaki	Surely I should be able to find the same resources they've used to create the generators in the first place.	11:58
vi_	teotwaki: ha.	11:58
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vi_	teotwaki: The resources that go into that are organised crime and industrial espionage.	11:58
Hurrian	those codes come from who knows where.	11:58
Hurrian	even the unlocker boxes used by chop shops need those codes	11:59
teotwaki	Not really.	11:59
Hurrian	for newer phones, that is.	11:59
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vi_	You will not find an un-passworded git server with NOKIA_DCT-8_BBL-5_KEYGAN.c	11:59
teotwaki	Basically, the phone has a MEP code and its IMEI. Only those two pieces of information are required to compute the new MEP code.	12:00
vi_	teotwaki: correct, possibly also some manufacturer keys.	12:00
teotwaki	vi_: why nokia dct8?	12:00
vi_	for the salting!	12:00
vi_	dct8-first I could think of.	12:00
vi_	dct8=3110 (i think)	12:01
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teotwaki	FlameReaper: those are some nicknames.	12:10
teotwaki	How do you reap flames, though?	12:10
teotwaki	Do you use a water scythe?	12:10
vi_	by previously sowing said flames.	12:10
* teotwaki checks spelling on scythe, doesn't look right.		12:11
vi_	checks out.	12:11
Lava_Croft	scythe is correct iirc	12:11
teotwaki	indeed.	12:11
FlameReaper	teotwaki: I have no idea, it just happened.	12:16
teotwaki	You have no idea how you reaped them flames?	12:16
teotwaki	Tough.	12:16
FlameReaper	... Umm... magic?	12:16
FlameReaper	:P	12:16
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vi_	kerio:	12:18
vi_	kerio: ping	12:18
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grammoboy	I want to run rm -rf ~/.claws-mail/imapcache	12:45
grammoboy	every day	12:45
grammoboy	can I make a script for startup, which sleeps for two days and then run the command again	12:46
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grammoboy	the script should run always in the background	12:46
teotwaki	grammoboy: cron?	12:46
grammoboy	teotwaki, that works on n900?	12:46
teotwaki	grammoboy: yeah	12:47
teotwaki	grammoboy: otherwise there's also Alarmed (alarmd).	12:47
grammoboy	ok	12:47
Lava_Croft	alarmd is a recommended app indeed	12:48
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archeyDevil	ShadowJK: There is a magnet?	12:57
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archeyDevil	Oh, magnet in the back clip. Sensor to see if it's there? Nice	13:03
archeyDevil	Nokia-N900:~# blkid	13:04
archeyDevil	/dev/mmcblk1p1: SEC_TYPE="msdos" UUID="3738-3739" TYPE="vfat"	13:04
archeyDevil	That entry doesn't exist anymore btw	13:04
archeyDevil	Was there before.	13:04
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archeyDevil	Nokia-N900:/mnt# mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt/sdcard	13:09
archeyDevil	mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /mnt/sdcard failed: Invalid argument	13:09
archeyDevil	Whats wrong with that command? O.o	13:09
archeyDevil	And blkid doesn't find it ...	13:09
archeyDevil	fixed	13:10
archeyDevil	err. blkid only fixed. (re-mkfs)	13:10
archeyDevil	got it -t ext2 # wow; this is old xD	13:11
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vi_	avoid cron, use alarmd	13:19
vi_	alarmd is running all the time anyway, no need to add an extra thing running in the background.	13:19
grammoboy	k	13:20
vi_	grammoboy: there is even a nice frontend called alarmed	13:21
grammoboy	I just installed it	13:21
grammoboy	seems to work ok	13:21
vi_	it accepts cron style frequency settings.	13:21
vi_	I use it to run a radio alarm script.	13:22
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vi_	wtf is stdcam_replacer?	14:08
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archeyDevil	standard camera replacer?	14:18
vi_	obviously, but what does it do?	14:20
archeyDevil	My guess, allow you to switch between front/normal camera?	14:20
archeyDevil	Assuming they come up as the same /dev	14:20
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DocScrutinizer05	no, they come up as different /dev/*, and a muxer routes OMAP video capture bus to the one that's opened opened	14:28
DocScrutinizer05	teotwaki: I couldn't add any info re unlock to what others said here	14:28
DocScrutinizer05	I think the whole scene is a proper example of commercializing a hack	14:29
DocScrutinizer05	or they even use genuine service tools and software	14:33
archeyDevil	error: duplicated database entry 'kmod'	14:33
archeyDevil	pacman ^_^ How to remove this error??	14:33
archeyDevil	It's for lots of others too	14:33
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archeyDevil	pacman-mirrorlist linux-headers-omap coreutils ppp pacman util-linux libedit inetutils kmod linux-omap man-db initscripts cracklib mkinitcpio-busybox procps-ng openssh dhcpcd filesystem binutils tzdata libarchive syslog-ng libpipeline sysvinit hwids pinentry less pacman-mirrorlist linux-headers-omap coreutils ppp	14:35
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: don't you think you should share a tad more of background info so anybody could guess what you're doing?	14:36
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archeyDevil	I'm installing archlinux arm on an sd card on my Nokia N900	14:36
archeyDevil	http://dismantle-it.blogspot.com.au/2011/12/install-arch-linux-on-nokia-n900.html -- Following this	14:37
archeyDevil	I'm skipping the udev/watchdog parts cause I've got systemd	14:38
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archeyDevil	My phone is frozen ^_^	14:40
archeyDevil	lol	14:40
* ShadowJK recommends ext3 instead of ext2		14:42
ShadowJK	also: echo 4096 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_request	14:42
archeyDevil	umm	14:42
archeyDevil	WTF?	14:42
ShadowJK	(and mmcblk1)	14:42
archeyDevil	I installed multiboot...	14:42
archeyDevil	Press a to boot.	14:42
archeyDevil	It's got no options!!	14:42
ShadowJK	did you use apt-get?	14:43
archeyDevil	Yea?	14:43
archeyDevil	wait no	14:43
archeyDevil	I used the app manager	14:43
archeyDevil	Anyone here using multiboot?	14:44
archeyDevil	Cause it's not letting me use my phone..	14:44
DocScrutinizer05	~maemo-multiboot	14:44
infobot	[maemo-multiboot] deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED	14:44
archeyDevil	You serious?	14:45
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DocScrutinizer05	yes, absolutely	14:45
DocScrutinizer05	it is FLASHING new kernel during boottime	14:45
archeyDevil	Recovery option?	14:45
DocScrutinizer05	reflash if it's broken	14:46
DocScrutinizer05	don't use it	14:46
archeyDevil	Can't recover from this?	14:46
freemangordon	archeyDevil: u-boot is what you want to use for different os-es;)	14:46
* ShadowJK wonders if it does normal boot with keypad closed		14:46
archeyDevil	ShadowJK: trying	14:46
archeyDevil	Possible to bipass it?	14:47
DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK: how could it? as mentioned above it _flashes_ your kernel (almost?) every boot	14:47
freemangordon	would flashing both kernel and rootfs solve the issue?	14:47
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: that's what ~maemo-multiboot says	14:48
archeyDevil	It's booting :D	14:48
archeyDevil	I think..	14:48
archeyDevil	No?	14:48
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: sorry, I didn;t see it initially :)	14:48
archeyDevil	It had the booting / loading dots ...	14:48
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archeyDevil	How to reflash?	14:48
DocScrutinizer05	~flash	14:49
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	14:49
freemangordon	:D:D:D	14:49
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archeyDevil	How to reflash???	14:51
archeyDevil	It doesn't give me the instruction?	14:51
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: if you want a duabboot setup for maemo/$arbitrary-other-os_native(not chroot or whatever), you want to investigate how MER / MEEGO did it	14:51
archeyDevil	Just want my maemo back for now	14:52
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: you got IRC connectivity issues?	14:52
DocScrutinizer05	see ^^^	14:52
DocScrutinizer05	~flash	14:52
infobot	it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	14:52
archeyDevil	I see it	14:52
archeyDevil	But how?	14:52
archeyDevil	MAKE SURE YOU KNOW YOUR LOCK CODE (default: 12345) There has been at least one report where a device started to ask for lock code after reflashing!	14:53
* archeyDevil never knew the lock code ..		14:53
archeyDevil	(second hand)	14:53
DocScrutinizer05	HOW? click that link, it's supposed to open a website in your browser	14:53
archeyDevil	No.. I mean, isn't there a few buttons to hold down to reflash back to factory default?	14:53
* archeyDevil has done it before		14:53
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: usually your lockcode is default if you never touched it. Also a complete flash of VANILLA and COMBINED inmages shall reset lockcode afaik	14:54
ShadowJK	archeyDevil; no, there's no copy of the initial install on device	14:54
archeyDevil	Hmm...	14:55
freemangordon	what database is used by conversations?	15:03
freemangordon	sqllite3?	15:05
Pali	freemangordon, yes	15:06
freemangordon	Pali: and who uses libdb then?	15:06
Pali	I do not know	15:06
Pali	2 years ago I wrote program which convert conversations logs to Kopete format	15:07
Pali	and I used sqlite qt plugin	15:07
archeyDevil	Do I have to unlock the boot loader or anything?	15:09
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freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: do you have an idea what uses Berkeley database?	15:11
DocScrutinizer05	contacts?	15:12
freemangordon	aah, yes. thanks.	15:12
DocScrutinizer05	yw	15:12
archeyDevil	While my nokia is bricked....	15:13
archeyDevil	Should I install uboot?	15:13
archeyDevil	xD	15:13
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: ^	15:13
DocScrutinizer05	seems uBoot is a rather nice thing to install, if you're feeling like a hacker	15:13
archeyDevil	Okay.. tutorial hunting time ^_^	15:13
DocScrutinizer05	it's "The Right Way [TM]"	15:13
archeyDevil	You will need a 4 GB microSD card or bigger. You may also see "MMC", which is basically the same thing as the microSD card.	15:14
archeyDevil	Fail already	15:14
archeyDevil	No > 2G sd :/	15:14
DocScrutinizer05	hmm	15:14
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DocScrutinizer05	http://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-GSM-micro-original-Handelsverpackung/dp/B000Q8623U four euro	15:15
DocScrutinizer05	five even	15:15
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freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: any idea how to test sqlite3/BDB speed?	15:15
archeyDevil	need to unbrick my phone first :/	15:15
vi_	ShadowJK: echo 4096 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests	15:15
vi_	Rationale for this pls.	15:16
DocScrutinizer05	you can't unbrick and install uBoot same pass	15:16
freemangordon	vi_: 4096 is way too much	15:16
vi_	freemangordon: shadowjk suggested it.	15:16
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freemangordon	aah	15:16
vi_	I want to know why.	15:16
freemangordon	i see	15:16
ShadowJK	vi_, so that it gets all the chance it can get to reorder writes	15:16
DocScrutinizer05	and it seems to work (with 4096)	15:16
vi_	Why such a value.	15:16
freemangordon	ShadowJK: but UI responsiveness is affected by such a high value	15:17
vi_	ShadowJK: increasing the liklyhood of sequantial write?	15:17
DocScrutinizer05	evidently?	15:17
ShadowJK	I'd say that UI responsiveness is affected more by the default value	15:17
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freemangordon	agree	15:17
ShadowJK	Anyway, I'd say 1024 would be the minimum you'd want?	15:17
freemangordon	but 1024 or even 512 fits much better at a cost of slightly reduced write speed	15:18
freemangordon	i use 512	15:18
vi_	dont look at me, I use compcache!	15:18
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how everybody pulling numbers and assumptions outa his a***		15:18
freemangordon	it is 512 IIRC	15:18
DocScrutinizer05	could we solve this debate the scientific way, please?	15:19
ShadowJK	1024 is 4M/4k, 4M block size on flash, and random writes mostly being 4k	15:19
vi_	DocScrutinizer05: empirical testing.	15:19
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, like that	15:19
DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK: ^^^	15:19
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: I found that 512 by using transmission for stress-testing (as I already said)	15:19
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	15:19
archeyDevil	~flash	15:20
infobot	somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	15:20
freemangordon	transmittion is the ultimate "on your knees" tool for n900 :D	15:20
vi_	something is totally broken intransmission.	15:20
ShadowJK	Already a cp from MyDocs to usd seems challenging with the default settings :)	15:20
vi_	rtorrent works fine.	15:20
DocScrutinizer05	fair enough, scientific enough :-D	15:20
freemangordon	:D	15:21
freemangordon	though 1024 might fit better for day-to-day use	15:21
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: I am not sure we can find a better approach having in mind customies swap subsystem we have on n900	15:22
archeyDevil	Lol archuserrepos. flasher is there :P	15:22
freemangordon	*customised	15:22
archeyDevil	Blah	15:22
DocScrutinizer05	in my theoretical approach, a high number of cueue entries has advantage of better serializing the writes; disadvantage of each pending write eating - yet to be determined - ammount of RAM for cueue entry AND buffers	15:22
archeyDevil	lib32 -.-	15:22
archeyDevil	crap	15:23
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: iirc queue is emptied on queuesize bursts	15:23
DocScrutinizer05	nope, probably it's also emptied on timeout and other stuff	15:23
DocScrutinizer05	(sync)	15:24
vi_	wtf keeps resaurecting modest after I kill it?	15:24
freemangordon	dsme	15:24
* ShadowJK <3 customized swap subsystem		15:24
freemangordon	yeha	15:24
ShadowJK	On diablo I have a queue size of 8, iirc. Because the scheduling is so bad, swap algo is so bad, the latency gets out of hand pretty badly with anything bigger.	15:25
freemangordon	btw a very important parameter is page-cluster	15:26
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ShadowJK	It seems to mostly only make a difference for reads	15:26
DocScrutinizer05	there's quite a number of very important parameters	15:26
freemangordon	page-cluster?	15:26
ShadowJK	yeah	15:26
ruskie	http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/MeeGo-to-return-next-month-with-Jolla-phone-launch-1722465.html	15:27
DocScrutinizer05	WTF	15:27
freemangordon	hmm, not sure,lemme ask google	15:27
ShadowJK	On Diablo I don't get any less swap fragmentation with higher page-clusters	15:27
ShadowJK	And fremantle is "fragmentation resistent" anyways, though increasing page-cluster does change the amount of bytes read from swap noticeably	15:28
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ruskie	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/03/nokia_hq_espoo_sell_off/ <-- bye bye nokia was nice knowing you	15:29
ShadowJK	On my desktop I have page-cluster 8 or 9 or something silly like that, it dramatically speeds up wakeup from hibernate	15:29
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archeyDevil	Problem...	15:30
* archeyDevil can't compile to install lib32-libusb-compat to get flasher to work on my desktop..		15:30
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* archeyDevil has grabbed a windows box.... (sigh)		15:33
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vi_	freemangordon: are you CERTAIN modest is kept alive by dsme?	15:34
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ShadowJK	or you could get a ubuntu livecd/usb ;)	15:34
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DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: windoze not recommended for flasher	15:34
archeyDevil	:/	15:35
archeyDevil	Will boot ubuntu live?	15:35
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: at least you'll not see much of any support when you run into trouble with windows flasher-3.5	15:35
DocScrutinizer05	vi_: nope, it's in .desktop file	15:36
vi_	on 'doze it is the same as nix.	15:36
DocScrutinizer05	vi_: so basically it's hildon-desktop restarting it	15:36
vi_	just using the doze command line is very painful.	15:36
DocScrutinizer05	and you got other symptomatics on problem cases	15:36
vi_	DocScrutinizer05: but my modest.desktop file has no 'prestart' value.	15:36
archeyDevil	gonna boot ubuntu live	15:36
DocScrutinizer05	vi_: :-o	15:37
archeyDevil	11.10 ubuntu -.-	15:37
vi_	archeyDevil: you can also try gparted.	15:37
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: right approach	15:37
archeyDevil	Got that on a disk lol	15:37
archeyDevil	meh. got this ubuntu livecd	15:37
vi_	just add debian repos and away you go.	15:37
* archeyDevil would rather get flasher working on arch but seems more complicated due to multilib craps		15:38
DocScrutinizer05	arch seems really convenient POS distro	15:38
archeyDevil	wtf bios w\ mouse -.- (dad's notebook w\ win.7 installed)	15:38
archeyDevil	Blah	15:38
ShadowJK	It's like the new gentoo, I think	15:38
jaska	there was ami winbios in early-mid 90s.. which looked distantly like win3.x	15:39
DocScrutinizer05	(POS != Point Of Sales) ;-P	15:39
vi_	DocScrutinizer05: http://cxg.de/_c9af9f.htm	15:39
archeyDevil	POS?	15:39
vi_	Riddle me this ^	15:39
DocScrutinizer05	HP Bios still using mouse	15:39
vi_	POS=PILE OF SHIT.	15:39
archeyDevil	I read POC (proof of concept) and almost ranted at you haha	15:39
jaska	as long as it works with a kbd .)	15:39
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archeyDevil	WTF UBUNTU!! Why you not booted yet >_<	15:40
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vi_	have you seen pbput and pbget with the new pastebinit?	15:41
vi_	It lets you store data on a pastebin.	15:41
DocScrutinizer05	vi_: you recently commented that out?	15:42
vi_	using base64, tar and gpg!	15:42
vi_	DocScrutinizer05: ages ago.	15:42
Hurrian	Nokia's selling off their HQ?	15:42
Hurrian	man, they're deep in the gutters.	15:42
archeyDevil	Nokia ♥	15:43
DocScrutinizer05	vi_: I had a hard time make HD forget an Maemo-Prestarted=always in xchat, once I commented it out. I think it at very least needed reboot	15:43
archeyDevil	wow...... ubuntu ... BOOT!!	15:43
DocScrutinizer05	vi_: HMMM on "ages ago"	15:43
vi_	DocScrutinizer05: I have had at least 9000 reboots since commenting it out.	15:44
DocScrutinizer05	vi_: grep -r Maemo-Prestarted=always /	15:44
DocScrutinizer05	vi_: I think I found it in some friggin cache as well	15:44
DocScrutinizer05	or mirror, or whatever you wanna call it	15:45
DocScrutinizer05	I had a really hard time make that autostart vanish from xchat	15:45
jaska	autostarting modest.. camera etc is kinda awful	15:45
DocScrutinizer05	I attributed it to the mess I did when testing it	15:45
jaska	and some of that software wont die when you close the window	15:46
vi_	DocScrutinizer05: here is where it gets crazy.	15:46
vi_	It only won't die when wifi is connected.	15:46
DocScrutinizer05	o.O	15:46
vi_	and no, autocheck email is not on.	15:47
DocScrutinizer05	dbus proxy invoking the service?	15:47
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DocScrutinizer05	only thing I could think of	15:47
DocScrutinizer05	X-Osso-Service=com.nokia.modest	15:48
vi_	activesync.modest.plugin.	15:49
DocScrutinizer05	so any dbus msg to com.nokia.modest will invoke/start modest	15:49
vi_	MUTHARFUCKER.	15:49
DocScrutinizer05	OUCH	15:49
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archeyDevil	Ubuntu is finnaly up and running w\ wifi	15:49
vi_	GO HOME ACTIVESYNC, NO ONE INVITED YOU.	15:49
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* DocScrutinizer05 kicks activesync in the guts hard		15:50
archeyDevil	Err. wifi not even :\|	15:50
vi_	wtf is activesync and how do I make if FO.	15:51
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: a nice and handy thing are flasher-3.5 and the images on a USB-stick or mountable volume on your PC already	15:51
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DocScrutinizer05	~google activesync	15:51
archeyDevil	Problem is.. capability	15:51
archeyDevil	I use arch	15:51
archeyDevil	flasher doesn't like arch ;)	15:52
archeyDevil	Well.. x86_64 arch	15:52
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: I'm talking about running flasher under a live linux	15:52
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: download and storing is easier when done under your usual OS	15:52
DocScrutinizer05	port it to live OS via USBstick or on (even VFAT) partition	15:53
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DocScrutinizer05	since your usual live OS image doesn't boot up with flasher-3.5 preinstalled, and COMBINED/VANILLA in /home/~	15:54
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archeyDevil	no vfat lol	15:55
* archeyDevil is installing flasher on ubuntu live		15:56
DocScrutinizer05	vi_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActiveSync	15:56
vi_	...	15:56
vi_	sybe	15:56
vi_	skype	15:56
vi_	addressbook	15:56
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vi_	signond	15:56
vi_	its all linked.	15:56
DocScrutinizer05	to modest??	15:56
vi_	every dick and his wife seems to be calling for modest over dbus	15:57
vi_	evolution dataserver	15:58
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DocScrutinizer05	fsckng activesync	16:00
DocScrutinizer05	and push-mail	16:01
DocScrutinizer05	both zombified	16:01
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DocScrutinizer05	simple approach: ln -s /bin/false /usr/bin/modest	16:03
vi_	apt-get remove as-daemon-0	16:03
vi_	problem solved	16:03
DocScrutinizer05	that too	16:03
DocScrutinizer05	and comment out the X-Osso-Service=com.nokia.modest as well	16:04
bullet9mm	hi all!	16:04
vi_	wont that ruin mailto: handler?	16:04
DocScrutinizer05	so no more proxy on dbus that could start modest when anybody nagging ;-)	16:04
DocScrutinizer05	prolly, yes	16:05
DocScrutinizer05	hi bullet9mm	16:05
archeyDevil	Okay..	16:05
vi_	...	16:06
DocScrutinizer05	okay?	16:06
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archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: So, I download the 1009 vanilla emmc bin file?	16:06
archeyDevil	209 *	16:06
archeyDevil	2009 *	16:06
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: lsmod\|grep phonet	16:06
vi_	why does mp-fremantle-community-pr depend on modest-home-applet??	16:06
DocScrutinizer05	goooood question ;-P	16:06
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: It's working and I put my phone in R&D more	16:06
archeyDevil	mode	16:06
DocScrutinizer05	fine :-)	16:07
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DocScrutinizer05	download latest	16:07
DocScrutinizer05	of both VANILLA and COMBINED	16:07
vi_	look carefully it does say pr1.3 global	16:07
ShadowJK	the emmc one is probably not required for you to recover from this	16:07
DocScrutinizer05	that too	16:07
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, as ~flashing says, COMBINED only rarely needed	16:08
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: diff w\ vanilla and combined?	16:08
DocScrutinizer05	err scratch that	16:08
DocScrutinizer05	VANILLA only rarely needed	16:08
DocScrutinizer05	~xyawn	16:08
infobot	i heard xyawn is strong coffee	16:08
DocScrutinizer05	AYESIR, MAM	16:08
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: Which should I get? vanilla or combined?	16:09
DocScrutinizer05	get both, just in case	16:09
DocScrutinizer05	try flashing combined first	16:09
archeyDevil	HEAPS of links lol	16:09
DocScrutinizer05	check for LATEST	16:09
DocScrutinizer05	right col	16:09
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DocScrutinizer05	[2012-10-03 15:07:32] <vi_> look carefully it does say pr1.3 global	16:09
archeyDevil	Go Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia n900?	16:10
archeyDevil	PR combined	16:10
DocScrutinizer05	yes, sounds good	16:10
DocScrutinizer05	LATEST... COMBINED	16:10
DocScrutinizer05	global	16:11
DocScrutinizer05	all three regex match ;-)	16:11
archeyDevil	Whoah	16:11
archeyDevil	WTF DID UBUNTU DO TO ALT TAB!!	16:11
DocScrutinizer05	~buntkuh	16:11
infobot	i guess buntkuh is http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind	16:11
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: You're biolink'd to the bot lol	16:11
DocScrutinizer05	~botsnack	16:12
infobot	DocScrutinizer05: thanks	16:12
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infobot	he	16:12
infobot	... is my master ...friend ...master	16:12
archeyDevil	lol.	16:12
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archeyDevil	191MB file downloading....... 300-400KB/sex	16:13
DocScrutinizer05	~sex	16:13
infobot	[~sex] updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; emerge --oneshot condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; emerge -C condom; make clean; sleep;	16:13
DocScrutinizer05	~gender	16:13
infobot	I'm pregnant	16:13
archeyDevil	haha	16:13
vi_	ding dong the modest is dead.	16:14
bullet9mm	I need some help...when i try run "apt-get update" the console return this error..... W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 134924954 ....some ideas? thanks at all!	16:14
DocScrutinizer05	\o/	16:14
vi_	bullet9mm: Yeah, just ignore it.	16:14
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vi_	bullet9mm: is 9mm your favourite kind of bullet?	16:15
bullet9mm	vi_ it's only a nick... :)	16:15
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: I'm getting this bin first (only) and I'll download the other if this fails	16:16
archeyDevil	Btw. I have no usb ports for usb flash drives xD	16:16
archeyDevil	2 for usb-cdrom. 1 for phone haha	16:17
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* archeyDevil can't believe that he bricked his phone :P		16:17
FlameReaper	Oh	16:17
archeyDevil	When I stuffed up my desktop and notebook's.. It was my backup for everything (ty 32G flash)	16:18
archeyDevil	xD	16:18
bullet9mm	vi_ thank you for the answer, but I'd like to know why I've this warning and why ignore it will fix it...thanks!	16:18
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DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: read all about:	16:19
DocScrutinizer05	~bm	16:19
infobot	it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975	16:19
DocScrutinizer05	...or simply install and use it ;-)	16:19
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freemangordon	the fuck, sqlite3 writes its journal in /var/lib/sqlite3	16:20
DocScrutinizer05	ham ->install, "all" type-search "backup", install	16:20
DocScrutinizer05	(enable extras-devel prior to that)	16:20
DocScrutinizer05	(and get a softdrink of your choice, or better a nice cup of coffe, it will take HAM like 5min to start up, with extras-devel enabled)	16:21
archeyDevil	Where I get the rootfs?	16:21
archeyDevil	problem	16:22
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archeyDevil	http://typewith.me/p/archeydevil-n900	16:23
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: ^_^	16:23
DocScrutinizer05	hmm?	16:24
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: WTF indeed	16:24
ShadowJK	503 Service Unavailable	16:24
ShadowJK	No server is available to handle this request.	16:24
DocScrutinizer05	rw-r--r-- for /var/lib	16:24
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: sqlite3 is user users	16:25
archeyDevil	ShadowJK: Please tell me thats not for my link?	16:25
ShadowJK	archeyDevil, it is	16:25
archeyDevil	ShadowJK: Working here	16:25
archeyDevil	Just clicked it ^_^	16:25
bullet9mm	no one has ideas for my issue?	16:26
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: /var7lib/sqlite ? even worse!	16:26
archeyDevil	Err not working on desktop	16:26
freemangordon	this is patch made by nokia	16:26
archeyDevil	but worked on notebook	16:26
archeyDevil	hmm	16:26
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DocScrutinizer05	bullet9mm: either server is fsckd up, a thing not unheard of. Or you nuked your key on your device	16:27
DocScrutinizer05	aiui	16:27
archeyDevil	http://pastebin.com/7y5Kc8v5	16:27
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: Fixes: NB#138038 Sqlite's journal stored in fast flash	16:27
freemangordon	:D	16:28
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: any suggestions??	16:28
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: flasher 3.TWELFE!!	16:28
archeyDevil	?	16:28
DocScrutinizer05	is for N9/HARMATTAN	16:28
freemangordon	3.12	16:28
archeyDevil	Hehe	16:28
archeyDevil	Wrong version ima guess.	16:28
DocScrutinizer05	3.5 for fremantle	16:28
freemangordon	you need 3.5 (iirc)	16:29
bullet9mm	DocScrutinizer05 ...thanks, any idea to check if my key is valid?	16:29
freemangordon	bullet9mm: ignore that, you can do nothing about it	16:29
archeyDevil	Okay	16:29
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DocScrutinizer05	there are ways to import the key, to install the right file with key, and to do other nice stuff. I got no clue though	16:29
bullet9mm	DocScrutinizer05 ..okay...thanks at all! :)	16:29
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: Where get 3.5????	16:30
freemangordon	bullet9mm: assuming your system date is correctly set	16:30
DocScrutinizer05	same place	16:30
archeyDevil	oh nvm	16:30
archeyDevil	grr, have to use i386 binary	16:30
archeyDevil	Nokia... Why you no open source??	16:31
archeyDevil	Open source your GSM stuffs please :)	16:31
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: do you agree with me that having sqlite journal on flash is a bad idea?	16:31
DocScrutinizer05	>>Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2204<< wow	16:31
DocScrutinizer05	rare hw-version	16:31
bullet9mm	freemangordon , yeah! seems all right...	16:31
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: I'd not instantly argue against you rPOV	16:32
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: the problem is I can' explain why I don;t like it :D:D:D	16:32
freemangordon	*can't	16:32
DocScrutinizer05	my problem is I got NFX what the journal is meant for	16:33
DocScrutinizer05	s/X/C/	16:33
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: my problem is I got NFC what the journal is meant for	16:33
freemangordon	this is one of the rare moments I would love to be proven wrong	16:33
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: Really?	16:33
archeyDevil	How so is it rare?	16:33
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: usual hw rev is sth like 21xx	16:34
bullet9mm	ok, thanks at all for help, bye!	16:34
DocScrutinizer05	yw, come back eventually	16:34
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: not that I know how exactly sqlite3 works, but journal keeps transactions until they are comited or reverted	16:34
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archeyDevil	So I got one of the newest?	16:34
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: then it belongs into /tmp	16:34
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: prolly	16:35
FlameReaper	Damn, battery died.	16:35
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archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: Cool. :D	16:35
FlameReaper	So I have this curiosity about hildon-desktop and possibly transitions.ini	16:35
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: well, it should be on a permanent storage , so you can recover the db in case of power fail	16:35
FlameReaper	At some times, hildon-desktop will freeze, buttons will stop responding	16:36
DocScrutinizer05	FlameReaper: I recall your question. CSSU and transitions.ini are not identical to other GUI tweaker tools	16:36
archeyDevil	WTF UBUNTU!!????	16:36
FlameReaper	DocScrutinizer05: Ah	16:36
archeyDevil	Firefox. shortcut to open downloads dialoge.. Ctrl + shift + Y ???	16:36
FlameReaper	DocScrutinizer05: So I suppose I can't get help regarding that?	16:36
DocScrutinizer05	FlameReaper: device GUI "freezing" usually caused by swap hell	16:37
FlameReaper	Ah	16:37
FlameReaper	At most times when I observed	16:37
DocScrutinizer05	you got browser open, with heavy flash pages	16:37
FlameReaper	my SSH session with the phone as the host	16:37
DocScrutinizer05	?	16:37
FlameReaper	it's usually fine	16:37
FlameReaper	but when I try to issue a hildon-desktop restart from there	16:37
FlameReaper	it won't work, when it should	16:38
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, since it's not CPU hogged, but HD parts swapped out	16:38
archeyDevil	installing flasher 3.5	16:38
DocScrutinizer05	close suspicious apps, esp browser	16:38
FlameReaper	I see	16:38
FlameReaper	Most of the time I use opera, but that might also be the culprit	16:38
DocScrutinizer05	an occasional killall browserd helps miracles	16:39
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DocScrutinizer05	yeah	16:39
FlameReaper	browserd does run even when you're offline isn't it?	16:39
DocScrutinizer05	yep	16:39
DocScrutinizer05	used for quite a number of other stuff, than just for websurfing	16:39
FlameReaper	because I've observed in some cases HD locked up when I was offline	16:39
freemangordon	FlameReaper: do you have cssu-thumb by chance?	16:40
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: Error	16:40
DocScrutinizer05	you being offline doesn't mean your HTML-related mem-hogs got closed	16:40
archeyDevil	Ubuntu won't install the i386 on the x86_64 -.-	16:40
archeyDevil	Ubuntu has multilib crap last time I checked >_<	16:40
DocScrutinizer05	~flash	16:40
infobot	i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	16:40
freemangordon	archeyDevil: just get tarball and extract it	16:41
archeyDevil	freemangordon: Okay	16:41
FlameReaper	freemangordon: I have it, but those freezes occur before I decided to.	16:41
FlameReaper	Still have them now on ocassions, though	16:41
FlameReaper	I mean, freezes.	16:41
freemangordon	I see. did you check your dmesg log for SGX recovery errors?	16:42
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: also >> you are probably on 64 bit and you need to install a libusb compatibility package. For example, on openSUSE 11.4 you just run zypper in libusb-0_1-4-32bit<<	16:42
DocScrutinizer05	"some notes:" on http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux_PC	16:42
FlameReaper	freemangordon: Can't remember if I did	16:43
FlameReaper	I think I only saw it once, but that's probably because I did it only once when I managed to	16:43
FlameReaper	and that probably was when I SSH'd into it	16:43
freemangordon	FlameReaper: do it next time when it happens. and remember - never reboot your phone, do a complete power cycle	16:43
freemangordon	(if reboot is needed)	16:44
FlameReaper	power cycle != reboot?	16:44
* FlameReaper notes		16:44
FlameReaper	Hmm	16:44
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: please read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware completely prior to flashing. Dunno this recommendation once seemed to be on top of that page, isn't anymore	16:44
freemangordon	power off/power on	16:44
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: lol! libusb++	16:44
FlameReaper	Oh	16:44
FlameReaper	And when you said "reboot" do you mean by issuing the "reboot" command?	16:44
archeyDevil	Image:Ambox_notice.png	16:44
archeyDevil	MAKE SURE YOU KNOW YOUR LOCK CODE (default: 12345) There has been at least one report where a device started to ask for lock code after reflashing!	16:44
archeyDevil	How to get past that?	16:45
* archeyDevil never knew the code		16:45
freemangordon	FlameReaper: yes	16:45
archeyDevil	Got the phone off eBay for $120 second hand several months back	16:45
FlameReaper	archeyDevil: Did you ever use the lock code?	16:45
FlameReaper	Oh.	16:45
archeyDevil	^_^ Second hand	16:45
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archeyDevil	Never touched lock codes	16:45
FlameReaper	In my case, the previous owner almost never did anything with the phone, it was as good as brand new	16:45
archeyDevil	Mine pretty much	16:46
archeyDevil	few scratches	16:46
archeyDevil	just a bubble under the screen protecter	16:46
FlameReaper	so supposedly the could should stay 12345	16:46
FlameReaper	*lock code	16:46
archeyDevil	slightly worn keyboard	16:46
archeyDevil	wtf ubuntu??	16:46
archeyDevil	ls flaser-3.5	16:47
archeyDevil	./flasher-3.5	16:47
archeyDevil	not found	16:47
archeyDevil	flasher *	16:47
DocScrutinizer05	if your lockcode kicks in, you'll have to do complete flash (vanilla as well)	16:47
DocScrutinizer05	I told you some hours ago	16:47
* archeyDevil is using tab auto completion!!		16:47
archeyDevil	Okay	16:47
archeyDevil	flasher >> Why not working? wtf?	16:47
FlameReaper	archeyDevil: Try "chmod +x ./flasher-3.5" ?	16:47
FlameReaper	and then try running it again.	16:48
freemangordon	wrong architecture	16:48
archeyDevil	did	16:48
freemangordon	^^^	16:48
archeyDevil	freemangordon: Yupp	16:48
archeyDevil	No x86_64?	16:48
freemangordon	install 32bit compat libraries	16:48
* archeyDevil doesn't use ubuntu. Mind guiding?		16:48
* archeyDevil uses the rather easy to use archlinux ;)		16:49
DocScrutinizer05	[2012-10-03 15:42:15] <DocScrutinizer05> archeyDevil: also >> you are probably on 64 bit and you need to install a libusb compatibility package. For example, on openSUSE 11.4 you just run zypper in libusb-0_1-4-32bit<<	16:49
vi_	..°.°... ...	16:49
FlameReaper	... I have no words.	16:49
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: Need 32 bit stuff	16:49
freemangordon	well, i got them as a part of wine installation	16:49
archeyDevil	FlameReaper: I tried that did nothing	16:49
archeyDevil	ubuntu wouldn't even say it's a file	16:49
freemangordon	archeyDevil: and what google has to say about it?	16:49
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: where you stored your flasher-3.5?	16:50
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DocScrutinizer05	by any odds that's maybe VFAT fs?	16:50
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archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: in root's home dir	16:51
DocScrutinizer05	hmm, should be fine	16:51
DocScrutinizer05	ls -l ./fla*	16:51
DocScrutinizer05	paste here	16:51
DocScrutinizer05	(no more than 3 lines please!)	16:52
archeyDevil	here..	16:52
archeyDevil	http://pastebin.com/xGReP6Ud	16:53
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: how about one?	16:53
archeyDevil	I'm missing the lib32 crap I guess	16:53
DocScrutinizer05	so a mere >> ./flasher-3.5 << gives you what?	16:54
archeyDevil	-bash: ./flasher-3.5: No such file or directory <<< RETARTED UBUNTU	16:54
* archeyDevil uses tab to auto complete ^_^		16:55
DocScrutinizer05	that's kinda odd, but I kinda recall that	16:55
archeyDevil	Suggestions?	16:55
DocScrutinizer05	umm	16:55
archeyDevil	Please don't say get i386 :P	16:55
DocScrutinizer05	nah, see above post re libusb-0_1-4-32bit	16:55
FlameReaper	DocScrutinizer05: VFat?	16:55
archeyDevil	Acturally	16:56
FlameReaper	I mean, will that happen on vfat?	16:56
archeyDevil	??	16:56
archeyDevil	Where link??	16:56
DocScrutinizer05	FlameReaper: on VFAT there's no +x	16:56
FlameReaper	Ah	16:56
DocScrutinizer05	~flash	16:56
infobot	somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	16:56
archeyDevil	stuff it. ima reboot into i386 ubuntu 10.10	16:57
DocScrutinizer05	good plan :-)	16:57
archeyDevil	downgrading more :P	16:57
archeyDevil	This better be i686	16:58
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FlameReaper	...	16:58
FlameReaper	i686 and i386 isn't the same thing?	16:59
archeyDevil	FlameReaper: Close enough - are cap.	16:59
archeyDevil	In Linux atleast	16:59
archeyDevil	It's all i686 anyhow	17:00
archeyDevil	i386 doesn't really exist anymore lol. (VERY old computers have i386)	17:00
FlameReaper	Hmm	17:00
archeyDevil	Eh. you know what I mean i386 * i686	17:01
archeyDevil	Eh	17:01
archeyDevil	i386 in use	17:01
DocScrutinizer05	cya guys, I have to take a few minutes of breathing real fresh air out in the big Bluebox	17:01
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: Okay	17:01
* archeyDevil needs to sleep and get fresh air too..		17:01
FlameReaper	Hmm	17:02
archeyDevil	Yay a noicy ubuntu :D	17:02
archeyDevil	10.10 makes noise :P	17:03
* DocScrutinizer05 ponders setting up a tiny openSuse custom distro live image, with flasher-3.5 and all the good fiaco images preinstalled. Shouldn't be more than maybe 200MB download		17:03
FlameReaper	But as far as I can remember	17:03
archeyDevil	O.o	17:03
FlameReaper	it's both x86	17:03
archeyDevil	I like ths sound of that :)	17:03
FlameReaper	... Or	17:03
archeyDevil	if I can't get this done. Mind uploading somewhere?	17:03
FlameReaper	Since this is *buntu we're talking about	17:03
DocScrutinizer05	that's the plan, if ever I get around to do it	17:04
FlameReaper	an easier way to do things is to get the *.deb installer for the flasher	17:04
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FlameReaper	< to me anyway ._.	17:04
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: Just don't add any virus, backdoor etc lol	17:04
DocScrutinizer05	~buntkuh	17:04
infobot	buntkuh is, like, http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind	17:04
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: no need for that, I already got my backdoor exploit sneaked into all existing linux kernels ;-D	17:05
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: lol	17:06
* archeyDevil is surprised no one has uploaded a device driver that makes a USB w\ fakable details to be a rootsh no login :)		17:06
archeyDevil	Get that into android ;)	17:06
archeyDevil	USB cable. rootsh :D	17:06
archeyDevil	Crap..	17:07
archeyDevil	gotta redownload this image haha	17:07
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archeyDevil	firefox crashed -.	17:08
archeyDevil	-.-	17:08
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DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: once you're past your debricking (or even now...) you might want to search ~jrtools for details you find useful	17:08
archeyDevil	wtf..	17:09
archeyDevil	Could not launch "terminal" failed to execuite chile process ... (input.output error) >_<	17:09
archeyDevil	~jrtools	17:09
infobot	rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	17:09
archeyDevil	WTF UBUNTU!!	17:10
archeyDevil	-.-	17:10
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: I need your image	17:10
DocScrutinizer05	damn, that's vapourware	17:10
archeyDevil	huh?	17:10
* FlameReaper watches on as he tilts his head looking at someone who has problems with ubuntu		17:10
DocScrutinizer05	archeyDevil: I haven't done it yet	17:11
archeyDevil	FlameReaper: I don't have issues with good systems, just noob systems.	17:11
archeyDevil	TOO POINT/CLICK!!	17:11
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: Damn..	17:11
* FlameReaper tilts his head to the other side		17:11
DocScrutinizer05	http://en.opensuse.org/Derivatives	17:12
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: Where should I start from?	17:12
archeyDevil	This ubuntu doesn't wanna give me gnome-terminal >_<	17:12
archeyDevil	still got tty tho	17:12
archeyDevil	yea squashfs died	17:13
DocScrutinizer05	http://software.opensuse.org/122/en KDE live maybe?	17:14
archeyDevil	4.7GB DVD	17:14
archeyDevil	I think not	17:14
archeyDevil	Download speed 200-400KB/sex	17:14
* archeyDevil has been talking to GF too often....		17:14
archeyDevil	sec **	17:14
freemangordon	archeyDevil: WTF are you doing? how is that ubuntu does not have gnome terminal?	17:15
archeyDevil	freemangordon: io errors	17:15
archeyDevil	lol	17:15
archeyDevil	I'm waiting for it to boot again	17:15
archeyDevil	SOO SLOW	17:15
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* archeyDevil would be using archlinux for this but flasher doesn't like my x86_64		17:16
archeyDevil	And my arch i386 doesn't boot :P	17:16
FlameReaper	io errors?	17:16
archeyDevil	FlameReaper: livecd	17:17
FlameReaper	Figures	17:17
DocScrutinizer05	http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/opensuse/distribution/12.2/iso/openSUSE-12.2-KDE-LiveCD-i686.iso 671MB	17:17
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: too big	17:17
archeyDevil	lol	17:17
archeyDevil	Will take about 45 minutes to download haha	17:17
archeyDevil	maybe longer	17:17
DocScrutinizer05	I'm away now anyway	17:17
freemangordon	archeyDevil: i really wonder what are you doing, but once unity is removed, ubuntu is absolutely fine	17:17
DocScrutinizer05	sorry	17:17
archeyDevil	D:	17:17
archeyDevil	freemangordon: ubuntu 10.10 ;)	17:18
archeyDevil	No unity ♥	17:18
freemangordon	aah, so no uninty	17:18
* archeyDevil rathers tiler window managers or tmux :)		17:18
archeyDevil	tmux = tty "window manager" :D	17:19
freemangordon	you should not have any problems. Besides PEBKAC	17:19
archeyDevil	screen is meh	17:19
archeyDevil	PEBKAC?	17:19
freemangordon	~pebkac	17:19
infobot	PEBKAC: Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.	17:19
freemangordon	:P	17:19
archeyDevil	No chair :S	17:19
freemangordon	well, get one	17:19
FlameReaper	freemangordon: I favored KDE out of the rest of the DEs I have seen.	17:20
archeyDevil	dafaqbnu?	17:20
archeyDevil	dafaqbuntu?	17:20
freemangordon	FlameReaper: i've ever preffered gnome over KDE, but don;t ask me why :D	17:20
FlameReaper	I don't need to guess.	17:20
FlameReaper	Or rather, I shouldn't.	17:21
freemangordon	excuding Fedora (core1)	17:21
DocScrutinizer05	fact is: for flashing N900 you don't need any friggin X at all, even less any desktop-manager	17:21
archeyDevil	This is what I'd prefure more http://jamesm.com.au/ -- Look at the screenshots :D	17:21
freemangordon	FlameReaper: yeah, unfortunately I am using windoze much more than I would like to	17:21
FlameReaper	freemangordon: Hey, I keep winlol too.	17:22
DocScrutinizer05	only thing you'd need X for is that friggin download from that IMEI "secured" webpage, via browser	17:22
FlameReaper	Just because it's inside when I bought my laptop.	17:22
DocScrutinizer05	(even that might be possibly with lynx or sth ;-P)	17:22
freemangordon	even my home pc still runs XP, I just cannot find the week of free time needed to migrate everything under linux	17:22
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: Not really. w3m will do fine too :)	17:23
DocScrutinizer05	w3m == lynx ??	17:24
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: no	17:24
archeyDevil	lynx can't use framebuffer for images ;)	17:24
DocScrutinizer05	ooh	17:24
archeyDevil	But similar	17:24
archeyDevil	jpg or png only can't recal which	17:25
archeyDevil	recall *	17:25
archeyDevil	libim deals with the fb	17:25
trx	hm, does the autobuilder no longer have internet access in the build process?	17:25
DocScrutinizer05	I'd love to set up curl or wget to download those friggin images and binary without any "web-browsing" user activity	17:25
archeyDevil	+1	17:26
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: You make a flasher OS and I'll help you get it out there ;)	17:26
DocScrutinizer05	open a requester: "please enter your IMEI" preconfigured to show the publicly known working IMEI	17:26
archeyDevil	Make sure it supports more than just nokia lol	17:26
vi_	DocScrutinizer05: luke-jr wrote a script to do just that. It even used your imei to authenticate.	17:27
DocScrutinizer05	duh	17:27
DocScrutinizer05	vi_: link?	17:27
vi_	cannot remember	17:27
DocScrutinizer05	:-/	17:27
vi_	was months ago.	17:27
* DocScrutinizer05 summons luke-jr		17:27
archeyDevil	vi_: firefox Ctrl+h	17:27
archeyDevil	firefox.crashcount # 4	17:27
DocScrutinizer05	your PC is fsckdup	17:28
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DocScrutinizer05	or it's just	17:28
DocScrutinizer05	~buntkuh	17:28
infobot	from memory, buntkuh is http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind	17:28
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: My PC is perfect w\ io error'n HDD and limited lvm parition space + crypto. :)	17:28
archeyDevil	firefox.crashcount # 5	17:29
DocScrutinizer05	dafaq, use other browser!	17:29
archeyDevil	wikki.maemo.org crashes firefox xD	17:29
archeyDevil	oh lol	17:29
archeyDevil	io errors again	17:29
archeyDevil	Bai bai ubuntu 10.10 snap	17:30
DocScrutinizer05	your PC is fsckdup	17:30
archeyDevil	ubuntu livecd is snapped	17:30
DocScrutinizer05	IO errors usually HW	17:30
DocScrutinizer05	also boot taking eternal indicates your CD is full of bad / poor sectors	17:31
DocScrutinizer05	making drive retry all the time, can take minutes	17:31
archeyDevil	DocScrutinizer05: Work on your flasher OS ;)	17:32
DocScrutinizer05	or CD drive lase lens covered with dirt	17:32
* archeyDevil has to wait 3 plus days before he can continue with this flashing		17:32
archeyDevil	Girlfriend is having a movie night tomorrow. and I have lots of homework to do :\|	17:32
DocScrutinizer05	cya then, for good now. I'm really feeling embarassed by this running gag of me never getting away from PC	17:32
* archeyDevil hates school. Learn nothing. I know that I can hack their wifi with my phone! (after being unbricked ;) )		17:33
archeyDevil	lol	17:33
archeyDevil	Bai bai	17:33
archeyDevil	( I know cause I have )	17:33
archeyDevil	lol @ certs	17:33
archeyDevil	Bai bai. -- offline.	17:33
trx	does the autobuilder no longer have internet access in the build process(i used it before to checkout some svn sources and compile them in the buld proccess)?	17:42
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vi_	archeyDevil: ctrl+h?? what?	17:48
vi_	archeyDevil: heh, school is the best years of your life son. ENjoy it while you can.	17:49
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trx	X-Fade ping	17:57
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grammoboy	hm I had a phone call but can't find the number or event on my phone	17:58
grammoboy	I like to know who was that guy who called me	17:59
grammoboy	n900	17:59
grammoboy	everything seems to work, except the phone has some issues apparently :)	18:00
grammoboy	real geeky	18:01
DocScrutinizer05	if it's not in call log, it probably isn't in eventsdb either (maybe due to that db being corrupted or just too large). Odds are you'll never find out	18:01
grammoboy	hm i'll call myself to check it out	18:01
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FlameReaper	DocScrutinizer05: Looks like I forgot something when I asked about HD behavior back then - I suppose when HD is in that state, any calls made to me won't get through, is it?	18:03
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DocScrutinizer05	grammoboy: ls -l /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db	18:04
grammoboy	rejected call gets notified	18:04
grammoboy	accepted call give no info afterwards	18:04
DocScrutinizer05	hmmm	18:05
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FlameReaper	Notifications yes	18:05
DocScrutinizer05	pretty much sounds like corrupted sqlite db	18:05
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DocScrutinizer05	FlameReaper: HD in which state?	18:06
FlameReaper	DocScrutinizer05: The state of freezing I mentioned earlier	18:06
DocScrutinizer05	depends	18:06
DocScrutinizer05	call-ui is mostly independent of HD	18:06
FlameReaper	Hmm	18:06
FlameReaper	Might be an X-related problem	18:07
FlameReaper	since any calls made to my phone will have the dialtone, indicating my phone should be ringing	18:07
DocScrutinizer05	use htop etc to check general system sanity	18:08
FlameReaper	Hmm	18:08
FlameReaper	Might need to do that while SSH'd	18:08
DocScrutinizer05	might be sth hogging CPU, dbus, swap+freemem, whatever	18:08
FlameReaper	else when that happens I completely lose control	18:08
FlameReaper	of the phone	18:08
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DocScrutinizer05	usually powerbutton "kill this task" still works	18:09
DocScrutinizer05	though not instantly	18:10
DocScrutinizer05	quite usually you find your device has entered swap hell	18:10
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: what was that about completely disabling modest?	18:10
DocScrutinizer05	well, that	18:10
DocScrutinizer05	could you repeat the question? ;-P	18:11
kerio	how do i do it	18:11
DocScrutinizer05	see backscroll	18:11
grammoboy	hm	18:11
kerio	i don't want to see backscroll D:	18:11
kerio	it's long	18:12
DocScrutinizer05	comment out the autostart line in modest.desktop	18:12
DocScrutinizer05	kill activesync	18:12
DocScrutinizer05	ask original poster about further stuff needed	18:12
grammoboy	user users 13160448	18:12
grammoboy	ls -l /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db	18:12
FlameReaper	[23:10] <DocScrutinizer05> quite usually you find your device has entered swap hell	18:13
FlameReaper	I suppose I should try a restore of the system's default swap configuration	18:13
FlameReaper	since I was using swappolube	18:13
DocScrutinizer05	ooooh	18:13
DocScrutinizer05	pretty sure you should	18:13
FlameReaper	I should've mentioned that earlier	18:13
kerio	hehehe, i really wonder how i'm going to recover from the lack of a swap partition if my uSD fucks up	18:13
DocScrutinizer05	grammoboy: kinda large	18:14
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DocScrutinizer05	lots of SMS?	18:14
DocScrutinizer05	and other stuff?	18:14
grammoboy	DocScrutinizer05, no the previous owner has completely rm everything	18:14
DocScrutinizer05	still kinda large	18:15
grammoboy	DocScrutinizer05, but I get now an sms from one year ago	18:15
DocScrutinizer05	-rw-r--r-- 1 user users 601088 2012-10-02 14:15 /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db	18:15
kerio	vi_: is modest removable without too many issues?	18:15
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grammoboy	hm	18:15
DocScrutinizer05	grammoboy: and that's a db used since 2 years something, and never got cleared	18:16
DocScrutinizer05	I'm doing extremely little SMs and calls though	18:16
DocScrutinizer05	average for sure no more than one/day	18:17
grammoboy	DocScrutinizer05, new txt message :)	18:17
grammoboy	DocScrutinizer05, someone is in love but not with me, all though it looks she is	18:17
grammoboy	really something odd going on here	18:18
DocScrutinizer05	try to find a way to reset/clean that database	18:18
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DocScrutinizer05	(sorry no other way than reflashing known to me, though I bet there has to be)	18:18
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trx	any idea who maintains the auto builder?	18:19
trx	(and possibly how to contact them)	18:19
DocScrutinizer05	a simple mv /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db_away may cause system to create it new on next boot	18:19
grammoboy	http://www.parorrey.com/blog/technology/resolve-disappearing-conversations-and-sms-text-messages-sending-failed-problem-on-nokia-n900/	18:19
kerio	open it with sqlite3 and reindex it	18:20
kerio	or something	18:20
DocScrutinizer05	trx: X-Fade	18:20
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vi_	kerio: I do not want to remove modest entirely, just stop it from randomly starting on it's own accord.	18:21
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vi_	I have removed mfe.	18:21
kerio	:o	18:21
kerio	neat	18:21
vi_	It seems to have mostly done it.	18:21
kerio	with activesync?	18:21
vi_	activesync is GONE.	18:22
kerio	vi_: what's the package called?	18:22
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vi_	as-daemon-0	18:22
kerio	what about as-config-applet-0 or as-utils or libas-common-utils-0 or libas-storage-0 or modest-as-plugin-0 or camel-as-provider-0	18:23
vi_	kerio: http://cxg.de/_4ad92a.htm	18:23
trx	DocScrutinizer05 thanks	18:23
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vi_	some of those get nuked as they are dependancies.	18:24
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kerio	meh, i think i'm ok with leaving an empty daemon that does nothing	18:24
kerio	vi_: not here, idk why	18:24
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vi_	well, it means I can now kill modest to free up some ram for browsing internet pr0n.	18:24
kerio	yay pr0n	18:25
kerio	and with flash player 10, pretty much every streaming website works :D	18:25
SpeedEvil	:-)	18:25
kerio	anyway, where's that script? /etc/network/ifup.d/ ?	18:25
freemangordon	vi_: even with -thumb you still don;t have enough free RAM?!?	18:25
kerio	those are called after the IP side is done, right?	18:26
kerio	freemangordon: you always need moar ram, no exceptions	18:26
kerio	because you always need moar pr0n	18:26
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vi_	8 tabs of pr0n will not play in no ram.	18:26
kerio	haha	18:26
kerio	my pr0n browsing is strictly serial	18:26
vi_	kerio: You wanted the if-up.d script.	18:27
kerio	no parallel browsing	18:27
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kerio	vi_: yes i did, and for that i thank you	18:27
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vi_	just rip out my junk and put in some curl magic.	18:27
kerio	yeah, yeah	18:27
freemangordon	but, but,... how do you watch them simultaneously	18:27
kerio	freemangordon: tasknav :D	18:27
freemangordon	:P	18:27
vi_	freemangordon: mplayer+easydebian+dwm	18:28
freemangordon	don;t work, mp stops when not in focus ;)	18:28
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freemangordon	aah, I see	18:28
vi_	Is it possible to make the tasknav previews bigger?	18:28
freemangordon	vi_: well, I am preparing a new update to support your p0rn	18:29
freemangordon	vi_: yes	18:29
freemangordon	edit transittions.ini	18:29
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grammoboy	ok second option of that link helped me out	18:29
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kerio	vi_: hm, does ICD2 disconnect wlan0 before connecting gprs0?	18:29
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vi_	kerio: I dont know.	18:30
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kerio	vi_: also, is the output logged somewhere?	18:31
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vi_	kerio: NFC	18:43
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ShadowJK	i think it keeps old connection until new is established	18:45
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DocScrutinizer05	kerio: definitely keeps old vonnection until new gets established	18:55
DocScrutinizer05	log could get logged into /var/log/syslog, /var/log/(/), or any other randomly picked file the devels of ICD thought might be funny	18:57
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: logger foobar anyway logs foobar to syslog, unconditionally	18:57
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DocScrutinizer05	kerio: an `exec 2>>/your/stderr_logfile` at beginning of any script is a nice way to have a log. same for stdout without the "2" in it	18:59
DocScrutinizer05	exec 2>>/your/logfile_all 1>&2	19:00
DocScrutinizer05	or...	19:01
DocScrutinizer05	exec 2>>/your/logfile_all 1>>&2	19:01
DocScrutinizer05	not sure right now	19:01
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DocScrutinizer05	does anybody know of semantics in 3>&5 ? will it reopen FD5 or just set FD3 to the content already existing in FD5, without new open() ?	19:03
kerio	ShadowJK: no big deal, i can check for IFACE	19:05
DocScrutinizer05	I.E will pointers in FD3 point to same location as those in FD5 after that, or will FD3 pointers point to default?	19:05
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: can i assume grep, awk and cut are just there in the path?	19:07
DocScrutinizer05	yet another way of wording it: will the code execute fd5=fd3, or will it execute fopen(fd5, &fd3) ?	19:08
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kerio	ugh, why is ifconfig wlan0 \| grep "inet addr" \| cut -d: -f2 \| awk '{ print $1 }' the easiest way to get the ip address for a particular interface?	19:08
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: you generally shouldn't assume much for your $PATH in scripts	19:08
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DocScrutinizer05	though core system commands are probably supposed to be available via $PATH	19:09
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: good question	19:10
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: also don't forget to setenv LANG=C; export LANG prior to that	19:10
kerio	ugh, good point	19:10
kerio	fucking bullshit	19:11
DocScrutinizer05	awk '{ print $1 }' however looks kinda awkward	19:13
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kerio	what should i do?	19:13
DocScrutinizer05	maybe sed "s/.inet addr:$[0-9a-f.]$.*/\1/"	19:15
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kerio	it's still a fucking dumbbullshitsauce	19:16
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, sure	19:16
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kerio	wait, a-f?	19:17
kerio	what kind of silly ipv4 addresses have you been using? :o	19:17
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DocScrutinizer05	sorry, no a-f	19:21
DocScrutinizer05	bbl	19:21
DocScrutinizer05	anyway the sed cmd should replace cut and awk	19:21
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DocScrutinizer05	and, if a bit improved, may also replace grep	19:22
kerio	no seriously, this is dumb as hell	19:23
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kerio	alright, LANG=C /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 should work	19:29
kerio	this is some serious bullshit	19:29
DocScrutinizer05	I bet there's some way to find out about IP addr of a NIC in an unambiguous form	19:31
kerio	well, i haven't found it	19:34
kerio	probably using ip instead of ifconfig	19:34
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kerio	but that's just a different text substitution	19:35
kerio	fukken unix	19:35
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DocScrutinizer05	or that >>Wanting to read interface addresses reeks of a design problem.<<	19:38
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DocScrutinizer05	fukken unix noob ;-P	19:39
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DocScrutinizer05	http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9941030/get-ip-address-of-local-nic-from-kernel-module/9946953#9946953	19:41
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kerio	hahahaha	19:44
merlin1991	ip addr show $interface	19:44
merlin1991	though ip does not exist on maemo5	19:44
kerio	sure it does	19:44
kerio	in busybox-power >:D	19:45
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merlin1991	-sh: ip: not found	19:45
kerio	merlin1991: even then, it doesn't just show the ip	19:45
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Pali	merlin1991, ip is in package iproute	19:47
Pali	I pushed new version to extras-devel	19:47
Pali	ifconfig is deprecated on linux >= 2.6 (or 2.4 ?)	19:48
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DocScrutinizer05	like ntpdate ?	19:49
kerio	ugh, nokia GPG keys are expired	19:49
kerio	this is going to be fucking awful	19:49
merlin1991	the main reason ifconfig is deprecated, because each and every version produces a different output	19:49
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DocScrutinizer05	deprecated core unix commands are very hard to kill	19:50
merlin1991	and then it can't set everything new kernels support :D	19:50
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DocScrutinizer05	fair enough	19:50
DocScrutinizer05	ip seems nice, once you recall it exists ;-D	19:50
DocScrutinizer05	IF it exists	19:51
DocScrutinizer05	XP	19:51
DocScrutinizer05	o/	19:51
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kerio	ip -4 addr show dev wlan0 \| grep inet \| awk '{ print $2 }' \| cut -d/ -f1	19:53
kerio	LOL	19:53
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Pali	kerio, it print all assigned ipv4 address	19:56
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Pali	ifconfig show only first ip address, ip show all	19:57
kerio	i just want one :'(	19:57
Pali	\| head -1	19:57
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DocScrutinizer05	yay	19:59
DocScrutinizer05	>>Wanting to read interface addresses reeks of a design problem.<< http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9941030/get-ip-address-of-local-nic-from-kernel-module/9946953#9946953	20:00
DocScrutinizer05	WTF would you need to do this anyway?	20:00
kerio	it's not my fault, bluesocket wants the ip passed as a POST parameter	20:00
DocScrutinizer05	unix commands are built in a way you usually shouldn't need to know your own IP	20:01
kerio	i suppose that a much cleaner way would be to actually fetch the login page, and mechanize it	20:01
DocScrutinizer05	wtf bluesocket?	20:02
kerio	a wifi hotspot thingy	20:02
DocScrutinizer05	OUCH	20:02
kerio	my university's wifi uses it	20:02
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kerio	yeah, i know	20:03
kerio	/usr/bin/curl -Lk -d "_FORM_SUBMIT=1&which_form=reg&destination=&source=${IP}&error=&bs_name=REDACTED&bs_password=REDACTED" https://wifigw2.uniroma1.it/login.pl	20:04
kerio	this shit right here	20:04
DocScrutinizer05	for the life of mine I couldn't figure WTF a HTTP URL has to know your NIC's IP for, they should know it from you talking to them via that very NIC	20:04
kerio	i know, but it's a parameter that's passed in the web page itself	20:05
kerio	and i don't know if i can skip it	20:05
* DocScrutinizer05 hands kerio a huge LART		20:05
kerio	iirc i tried with just user and password, and it didn't work	20:05
DocScrutinizer05	for applying it to your university's admins	20:05
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DocScrutinizer05	kerio: I guess you have to get prior form from server via curl, it will contain that crap with correct parameters	20:07
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: or i can just pass a random IP and hope that it's not actually needed	20:08
DocScrutinizer05	that's all so incredibly silly	20:09
kerio	i know	20:09
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kerio	the wifi hotspot is incredibly silly	20:09
kerio	i think it goes by mac address, anyway	20:09
* DocScrutinizer05 has to leave that starnge world of silly admins and IT at alrge, and get some food		20:10
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kerio	will nokia eventually sign the packages with a non-expired key again?	20:32
kerio	i've got a bunch of KEYEXPIRED	20:32
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RST38h	BGR has learned that the Redmond, Washington-based company plans to release its own Windows Phone 8 smartphone in the coming months.	20:45
* RST38h laughs satanically		20:45
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freemangordon	Pali: ping	20:55
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Pali	freemangordon, pong	20:56
freemangordon	Pali: does u-boot includes my patches for thumb2?	20:58
freemangordon	*include	20:58
freemangordon	setting of IBE bit that is	20:58
Pali	I think yes	20:58
freemangordon	can you check it?	20:58
Pali	https://gitorious.org/u-boot-shr/u-boot	20:59
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freemangordon	Pali: is that what you have used to make .debs?	20:59
Pali	yes, branch pali	20:59
Pali	board code is here: https://gitorious.org/u-boot-shr/u-boot/blobs/pali/board/nokia/rx51/rx51.c	21:00
Pali	https://gitorious.org/u-boot-shr/u-boot/blobs/pali/board/nokia/rx51/rx51.c#line383	21:00
freemangordon	hmm, where is my name? :P	21:01
freemangordon	ok, it is included	21:01
Pali	I will add your name when I rebase patches on top of current "master"	21:01
Pali	:-)	21:01
Pali	I'm waiting for including ansi terminal support in framebuffer driver	21:02
Pali	in upstream	21:02
freemangordon	:)	21:02
Pali	~seen jonwil	21:03
infobot	jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 30d 7h 35m 2s ago, saying: 'yay, my N900 is finally fixed :)'.	21:03
Pali	where is jonwil?	21:03
freemangordon	hehe, he has his toy back :D:D:D	21:03
Pali	is he alive?	21:04
freemangordon	~seen zeq	21:04
infobot	zeq <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3:1:e6ec:10ff:fe9a:d418> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 20d 4h 1m 8s ago, saying: 'hi freemangordon'.	21:04
Pali	what happened to his n900?	21:04
freemangordon	NFC, gatters dust	21:05
freemangordon	but he got it	21:05
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freemangordon	well, the last time we talked he said that he has some job	21:07
freemangordon	having in mind he is a freelancer, ...	21:08
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DocScrutinizer05	:-S	21:54
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kerio	hahaha	21:55
kerio	he ran away with the n900	21:55
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Woody14619	:P I so hate flying...	22:12
Woody14619	Have a fun election folks... I'll see you on the other side. Work becons...	22:13
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DocScrutinizer05	hah	22:23
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Pali	freemangordon, now I rebased rx51 patches on top of u-boot master and booting kernel in qemu working...	22:23
DocScrutinizer05	I so hate flying... - he said, and took a flight out of IRC and to work	22:24
Pali	I added code which reuse bootmode (normal, update - for emmc flash) + added 2 global env variables (setup_boot_mode_atag, setup_boot_reason_atag) which overwrite bootmode and bootreason	22:25
Pali	freemangordon, + added your name to code :-)	22:26
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freemangordon	Pali: good :D	22:27
freemangordon	how is the upstreaming process developing?	22:27
Pali	freemangordon, two features missing: 1) display brightness support 2) battery charging	22:28
Pali	after changes I will resend patches again	22:28
Pali	I can write battery charging support (rewrite charge21.sh to u-boot)	22:28
Pali	but for display brightness is needed to write function for communication via SPI	22:29
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internetishard	Do I need to kill any daemons before moving the message db (el-v1.db) and replacing it?	22:30
DocScrutinizer51	no	22:32
DocScrutinizer51	somply move it	22:32
internetishard	It doesn't get written to until... some special time?	22:32
DocScrutinizer51	just then reboot	22:32
internetishard	ah, okay!	22:32
DocScrutinizer51	keep a backup!	22:33
DocScrutinizer51	also better do a bm full backup before, just in case	22:33
DocScrutinizer51	~bm	22:34
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975	22:34
internetishard	srsy? Why would I have to do that?	22:34
internetishard	That'll be like Gigs... I just took el-v1.db and tried to fix it's corruption... made a new db out of it. and I'll put it back and see if it worked	22:35
internetishard	DocScrutinizer are you saying this file might depend upon something?	22:37
kerio	internetishard: nah, it's like half a gig in total	22:40
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internetishard	I don't see why messing with this file is backup worthy... Maybe it contains something I don't know about...	22:43
DocScrutinizer05	dafaq, wut?	22:44
DocScrutinizer05	what's the problem with doing a bm backup? it's not like it's stored to an NFS volume anyway	22:45
DocScrutinizer05	won't even leave your beloved N900	22:45
kerio	heh, i almost do a BM backup every time i reboot	22:45
DocScrutinizer05	unless your remove the uSD or do a mass-storage backup of MyDocs	22:46
DocScrutinizer05	BM is the smartest thing since sliced bread got invented	22:47
DocScrutinizer05	and you're really supposed to use it a lot	22:47
internetishard	The slicing of bread has been deprecated	22:48
DocScrutinizer05	for sure it's mandatory to do BM backup before messing with system files	22:48
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: if only we had incremental BM backups...	22:48
internetishard	yes, there should be a cloud solution	22:49
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: move all those to a single tar.gz file, the dictionary will hopefully do the rest	22:49
internetishard	not just for user file	22:49
internetishard	It would be quit easy to create	22:49
internetishard	and might use backupmenu as a part of the process - but automatically.	22:49
DocScrutinizer05	FSCK CLOUD!!! >:-((	22:50
internetishard	DocScrutinizer I don't follow	22:50
DocScrutinizer05	only defined clouds are thpose in the sky	22:50
DocScrutinizer05	aqnd those I blow when smoking	22:50
DocScrutinizer05	a) BM can't get automated (at least not easily) since it runs during boot	22:51
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DocScrutinizer05	b) how T F is BM supposed to access any "cloud" (ooh this term!!), when it doesn't even have WLAN?	22:52
internetishard	It couldn't get set?	22:52
internetishard	I don't think it would be necessary. But yes, I'm talking about an automation 'in the cloud' solution	22:52
DocScrutinizer05	internetishard: you obviously don't get the purpose of BM. It does a full disk image (though on file level). For this to work, nothing must mess with the disk during snapshot is taken	22:53
internetishard	backupmenu shouldn't be necessary, just something rsyncy	22:53
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DocScrutinizer05	sigh	22:53
DocScrutinizer05	look	22:53
internetishard	DocScrutinizer: yeah, I got that - I was thinking it could be imaged, automatically at boot and that image would be used	22:53
DocScrutinizer05	~jrtools	22:54
infobot	it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	22:54
DocScrutinizer05	at very bottom	22:54
internetishard	android and iOS have solutions whereby you can throw out your phone after a backup was made an easily get started with a new one	22:54
DocScrutinizer05	and still no "cloud" of any kind involved	22:54
internetishard	when?	22:54
internetishard	Will this be easier on me if I don't use that word :P	22:55
DocScrutinizer05	meh, I don't feel like discussing this insane and yet fuzzy maketing speak concept of "cloud" anymore	22:55
internetishard	I mean, I could just call it 'webservice'	22:55
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DocScrutinizer05	a webservice is something significantly different from what's originally been called cloud computing	22:56
DocScrutinizer05	cloud computing is distributed computing resources located at a dynamic flock of small heterogenous devices	22:57
DocScrutinizer05	spreead all over the internet	22:57
internetishard	like AWS	22:57
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DocScrutinizer05	originally invented by Amazon iirc	22:57
vi__	or plan 9 from bell labs.	22:58
internetishard	The cloud was invented by amazon??? The cloud concept doesn't matter in this case. I'm just curious	22:58
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vi__	which is genius.	22:58
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internetishard	Anyway, I'm just talking about an automated backup like iOS and Android	22:58
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DocScrutinizer05	that's for sure no cloud, in classic terms	22:58
internetishard	Would be slick. So you could break your phone, plug in a new or flash n900, and it would pull down your last (or specified) backup	22:59
DocScrutinizer05	it a typical centralized webservice	22:59
DocScrutinizer05	as opposed to same thing hosted on your local PC (a somewhat better concept in my book)	22:59
vi__	cloud==thin client computing	23:00
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internetishard	cloud is context dependent in my experience	23:00
vi__	cloun!=backing up your loltweets to the internet.	23:01
DocScrutinizer05	and yes, I do this quite easily: flash new N900 with BM image, sync my MyDocs backup to device, run BM restore --- done, profit!	23:01
internetishard	haha	23:01
internetishard	I knew I shouldn't have used that work	23:01
internetishard	word	23:01
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kerio	internetishard: no, seriously	23:02
kerio	restoring a BM backup will give you a functionally equivalent n900	23:03
kerio	modulo BT pairings	23:03
kerio	...and that's basically it, really	23:03
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DocScrutinizer05	~wiki cloud computing	23:04
internetishard	The reason the other popular phones don't use that model is because you have to manage that backup yourself. You could lose or break the phone and it would be lost.	23:04
infobot	At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{pp-move-indef}} 'Cloud computing' is the use of computing resources (hardware and software) that are delivered as a service over a network (typically the Internet). The name comes from the use of a cloud-shaped symbol as an abstraction for the complex infrastructure it contains in system diagrams. Cloud computing entrusts remote services with a user's data, software and ...	23:04
DocScrutinizer05	and LOL for the diagram upper right	23:04
DocScrutinizer05	also see "history"	23:04
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internetishard	The thing is... I've setup "clouds" (using AWS and rackspace) for people - and everyone where I work seems to use the term this way... I don't feel so in the wrong.	23:05
DocScrutinizer05	and the many different "meanings" associated today which render the term "cloud" basically meaningless	23:05
DocScrutinizer05	so s/cloud/net/g please	23:06
DocScrutinizer05	for [inter\|intra\|GPRS\|younameit]net	23:06
DocScrutinizer05	and since my rsync solution on bottom of ~jrtools for sure is no cloud based service, it is still a net service	23:07
DocScrutinizer05	in my intranet	23:07
internetishard	iOS backup is called iCloud :>	23:08
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DocScrutinizer05	my ass is called iAss	23:08
Sicelo	lol	23:08
ampharos	my n800 is iNeglected	23:08
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ampharos	poor n800, community has left it for dead	23:09
internetishard	what about n900?	23:09
internetishard	nokia left for dead	23:09
internetishard	and all the shit it needs changed isn't open source	23:09
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internetishard	Contacts and Messages	23:10
Sicelo	internetishard: if i owned an iphone, i would for sure disabled that cloud backup thingy asap	23:10
ampharos	but the n900 is stilled loved by the community	23:10
internetishard	Sicelo: why?	23:10
ampharos	my n800 and the 810 for that matter got shafted as sson as the n900 came out, then the community had a dead	23:10
internetishard	I'd do so if it were insecurre	23:11
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DocScrutinizer05	internetishard: why? isn't that obvious?	23:11
peetah	freemangordon: i finally found the time to test thumb2 firefox 17.0a1: while it is still a huge ram consumer, it definitely feels smoother than my previous non thumb2 firefox 14; thanks again for all your work !	23:11
DocScrutinizer05	who wants to store his very own private data on some alien server	23:12
internetishard	ok... I might have finally fixed el-v1.db's corruption. It's 18megs though so it still slows down everything...	23:12
DocScrutinizer05	well, except of course we're talking those individuals who use google for their phonebook app anyway	23:12
freemangordon	peetah: yeah, unfortunately XUL is memory hungry, lets see how it will develop it IPCLite	23:13
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internetishard	I don't understand why the email program takes any time to show your current emails when the network is down and it wants to display new messages and the old emails at the same time...	23:24
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