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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: deepy's n900 can't seem to figure out if the kbd slider is open or closed | 00:04 |
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| kerio | deepy: try opening and closing it again \_o_/ | 00:08 |
| kerio | hm, are you getting weird messages in dmesg? | 00:08 |
| freemangordon | kerio: wait, kbd light stays on if you have RD mode enabled | 00:08 |
| kerio | freemangordon: yeah but he doesn't have rd mode enabled | 00:08 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: are you sure? | 00:10 |
| kerio | freemangordon: he also gets bootmenu every time, as if his keyboard is open | 00:11 |
| freemangordon | kerio: well, then it is not HW | 00:12 |
| kerio | huh? you mean that it's not SW? | 00:12 |
| freemangordon | deepy: did you flash your device when you got it? | 00:13 |
| freemangordon | kerio: if kbd open/closed is correctly detected during early boot, then i'll consider that SW until proven wrong | 00:13 |
| kerio | freemangordon: no, he *always* gets bootmenu, even when the kbd slider is closed | 00:14 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: aah, ok, my bad then | 00:18 |
| freemangordon | not good :( | 00:18 |
| kerio | where's the sensor for the keyboard slider? | 00:19 |
| freemangordon | not sure, but IIRC soldered to the mainboard | 00:20 |
| freemangordon | but it could be the magnet as well | 00:20 |
| kerio | freemangordon: could it be just clogged or something | 00:20 |
| freemangordon | iirc it is magnetic | 00:20 |
| freemangordon | but you'd better ask doc or estel about it | 00:21 |
| deepy | freemangordon: yes | 00:21 |
| deepy | oh | 00:21 |
| deepy | heh, had scrolled up by accident | 00:21 |
| deepy | E: Couldn't find package dosbox | 00:24 |
| deepy | I don't know what I'm doing wrong | 00:24 |
| deepy | and devel is gone gaain | 00:25 |
| kerio | deepy: more importantly, you have a hw problem :s | 00:25 |
| deepy | How severe are they? | 00:25 |
| kerio | idk | 00:25 |
| kerio | the kbd slider sensor should be fairly robust | 00:26 |
| kerio | ask DocScrutinizer, he's the EE | 00:26 |
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| deepy | He seems to be away | 00:28 |
| deepy | Oh | 00:28 |
| deepy | Can I do "just charging" over USB? | 00:28 |
| deepy | Apparently that's okay at work, but usb devices is a no-go | 00:28 |
| kerio | deepy: yeah, tap on the blurred area | 00:29 |
| kerio | that's the generic "cancel" or "close dialog" button | 00:29 |
| deepy | Just wanted to be sure that worked | 00:29 |
| deepy | they yell security breach and laugh at work | 00:29 |
| deepy | Gonna try out the battery life now | 00:33 |
| deepy | ish | 00:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | i'm NEVER away | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is internet away ever? is skynet sleeping? | 00:40 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51 never sleeps | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | slider detector failure frequently caused by magnet got loose | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and lost | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you're lucky it sticks to some ferromagnetic surface inside the phone | 00:42 |
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| freemangordon | deepy: ^^^ | 00:43 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: well, a piece of fridge magned will do the job, no? | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 00:43 |
| freemangordon | *magnet | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get my slider-swoosh to easily detect slider sensor operation | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (search tmo for "swoosh" | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ) | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shake device vigorously to maybe hear magnet falling around | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hall sensor / reede contact is somewhere above "uio" keys iirc | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | magnet is in screen half | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | it should be non-conducting, ain;t? a ferromagnite? | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | *freeomagnet | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | the fuck | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be a cobal nickel | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | I need some sleep | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nite freemangordon ;-P | 00:49 |
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| freemangordon | aah, yes, the stand magnet is shiny | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 00:49 |
| freemangordon | night | 00:49 |
| luf | freemangordon: WTF how can you sleep! It's too much work for you ... | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fridge magnet plasitc also is shiny | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luf: prepare coffee! | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sudo make me a sandwich | 00:50 |
| freemangordon | it is 0:48 here, and I am ill | 00:51 |
| freemangordon | I deffinitely out | 00:51 |
| freemangordon | bye | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | strange, here it's 23:52 | 00:51 |
| freemangordon | (according to my PC clock) | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (according to my PC clock) | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually a lie, been 23:51:52 | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: hurry, you're already 3 minutes late! | 00:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | me mumbles NTP and heads off to TV | 00:54 |
| deepy | I'm gonna search tMO For swoosh | 01:00 |
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| internetishard | n900 needs audo cloud backup, like other mobiles | 02:04 |
| merlin1991 | ~cloud | 02:13 |
| infobot | somebody said cloud was an experienced Zaurus user | 02:13 |
| internetishard | I don't get it | 02:21 |
| internetishard | over my head! | 02:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 introduces kraut computing | 02:22 | |
| internetishard | YEah, I used a buzzword :( | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict audo | 02:22 |
| infobot | could not find definition for audo | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | laaaame | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is /me | 02:23 |
| internetishard | I can't find one either! | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~spell audo | 02:23 |
| infobot | possible spellings for audo: Audi audio Ado ado Audy auto Aldo judo ludo | 02:23 |
| internetishard | I need to install extra-devel as you said above, though this is my everyday phone | 02:24 |
| internetishard | DocScrutinizer, how's your study of cosmology been? | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 02:24 |
| internetishard | Just been doing software lately, and not much physics? | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still looking out for balck mater panets | 02:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | still looking out for black mater planets | 02:25 |
| internetishard | black mater? lol! | 02:25 |
| internetishard | dark matter? | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, I'm not even supposed to sit at this friggin PC | 02:25 |
| internetishard | on top of it? | 02:25 |
| internetishard | Yeah, it might break! | 02:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 got a serious adiction problem | 02:25 | |
| internetishard | computer addiction? | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 02:26 |
| internetishard | you're in AUS, right? | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SOL3 | 02:26 |
| internetishard | It's all about breaking the cycle. | 02:26 |
| robbiethe1st | hi | 02:26 |
| internetishard | Fortunately, in your case of addiction, people like me benefit from your knowledge | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HI | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: we just talked about BM | 02:26 |
| internetishard | no one calls it that... Are you trolling? | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: might BM learn to not brainlessly restore /lib7modules ? | 02:27 |
| robbiethe1st | I was thinking... Has anyone ever messed with turning the N900 into a USB HID in hostmode? | 02:27 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh... lib7modules? | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lib/modules/* | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (for unknown reasons my right shift key or finger doesn't work) | 02:28 |
| robbiethe1st | Why not? If it didn't, you'd end up with a non-functional device, as there'd be no kernel drivers...? | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you might restore non-mathing kernel modules | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | matching* | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I envision some kind of test (first step of enterprise) | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to make sure .ko matches mtd0 | 02:29 |
| robbiethe1st | So? I mean, the kernel won't pick them up unless it's running that version; the only problem comes when the kernel on the kernel partition doesn't have drivers in the backup | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | next step of "we conquer the world": make kenel backups and restore them | 02:30 |
| robbiethe1st | I'd expect the /correct/ thing to do would be to somehow keep a Nokia Stock kernel on disk and write it to the kernel partition. | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mtdtools | 02:30 |
| robbiethe1st | Actually, what would be involved with writing a kernel - it's seemingly not a mtd partition or anything, just raw data to raw flash? | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nanddump, nandwrite | 02:31 |
| robbiethe1st | Would DD not work? If it did any bad-block correction it wouldn't, but, does that partition? | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nanddump/write handles OOB | 02:32 |
| robbiethe1st | OOB? | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -j, --jffs2 Force jffs2 oob layout (legacy support) | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -y, --yaffs Force yaffs oob layout (legacy support) | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -m, --markbad Mark blocks bad if write fails | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -o, --oob Image contains oob data | 02:33 |
| robbiethe1st | But what does the kernel partition have? I didn't think it had either? | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NAND has OOB to handle bad blocks | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (simplified) | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Usage: nandwrite [OPTION] MTD_DEVICE [INPUTFILE|-] | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Writes to the specified MTD device. | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -a, --autoplace Use auto oob layout | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oob == out of band (iirc) | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the 17th bit of a 16bit word | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kinda | 02:36 |
| robbiethe1st | yeah | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11279473/how-to-correctly-nandwrite-a-nanddumped-dump-with-oob http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Mtdutils | 02:44 |
| robbiethe1st | pk | 02:45 |
| robbiethe1st | *OK | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/general.html | 02:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | BEWARE: >>mtd_torturetest: this test is designed to wear out flash eraseblocks<< it *does*! | 02:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: also backup/restore CAL ;-) | 02:51 |
| robbiethe1st | CAL? | 02:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | mtd1 | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aka config | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the heart of N900 | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | search chanlog for "nandtester" | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this poor guy probably would invite you to his wedding for providing a way to restore CAL | 03:01 |
| robbiethe1st | What's the problem - lock code? | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | also interesting: mtd_debug (binary) | 03:02 |
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| robbiethe1st | Wouldn't it be possible to just make a backup through root terminal mode which is available now? | 03:03 |
| robbiethe1st | (of CAL that is) | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nandtester's problem? he nuked cal | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: i guess yes as long as nanddump available | 03:04 |
| robbiethe1st | Just thinking, for nandtester | 03:04 |
| robbiethe1st | get someone else to make a backup, upload to the web... | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actuelly CAL backup/restore doesn't depend on BM | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (backup) to be found on my server | 03:05 |
| robbiethe1st | You've got a nanddump up there or...? | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a cal dump | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | some | 03:06 |
| robbiethe1st | cool | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yaknow I dont giva fsck about 'UUUH my IMEI!!" | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | IMEI are two dozen a penny | 03:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | so are MAC | 03:08 |
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| internetishard | DocScrutinizer you should make a blog or reading list for people | 03:12 |
| internetishard | you've a website? | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah | 03:13 |
| internetishard | Remember our conversation on consmology? | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I got almost 300 victims here ;-P | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure I remember | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | remembering id my toolset for what I'm doing here | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | they already called me DocWiki | 03:16 |
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| internetishard | DocScrutinizer what are your primary interests? | 03:23 |
| internetishard | I think you could be one of those people who help us get the next n900 | 03:23 |
| internetishard | I'm signing up to be the guy who networks the contacts you need to make it happen | 03:23 |
| internetishard | With todays processes - and the right people - one could put together an open source hardware snapdraggon awesome phone | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | google for gta04, /join #jollamobile and tell them they need me ;-) | 03:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | internetishard: open source hardware is hard, | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | http://WWW.mauve.plus.com/opensourcehw.text | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | txt | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/opensourcehw.txt | 03:29 |
| internetishard | ah, I don't mean open source hardware like that. I mean form a company that makes money off selling it just like the other HW makers | 03:30 |
| internetishard | DocScrutinizer doesn't openmoko want you?? | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | open moko is dead | 03:30 |
| internetishard | well he mentioned gta04 - tell them they need me... | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I've been vice head of hw development in openmoko | 03:35 |
| internetishard | really? what are your ambitions? | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (new) gta04 is made by goldelico (with a little help from me) | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gta04.org | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jolla is the nokia-maemo-subdivision-ressurrected | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they told they want to ship first device end of this year, so they already missted the point when they should've hired me | 03:39 |
| internetishard | why wouldn't they? | 03:39 |
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| internetishard | just lack of funds, right? | 03:40 |
| internetishard | I believe there is an industry out there big enough to find a cutting edge HW device that would run a real open linux distro | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | likely someone's got candidate hardware in mind. | 03:40 |
| internetishard | and would want all sorts of sensors and modular HW | 03:40 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 03:40 | |
| SpeedEvil | I wish I'd written down my 'modularity is hard' ant | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | rant | 03:41 |
| internetishard | no, I get that | 03:41 |
| internetishard | making a galaxy and iphone is hard too | 03:41 |
| internetishard | I'm just saying there is an industry out there | 03:41 |
| internetishard | I think if the right peopel were together and they marketed it correctly | 03:42 |
| internetishard | it could self sustain | 03:42 |
| internetishard | and actually be decent in supported tech vs the modern smartphones | 03:42 |
| SpeedEvil | you need several million dollars per model of cutting edge he | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | hardware | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, there's a plethora of nice hw, ready to buy. What you need is an OS for it, and no company is going to build a hw to support a yet-to-develop OS | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | indeed | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested to Nokia to sell their phones dual-OS, maybe 3 years ago. Sell them with primary OS being sybian/windoze/whatever, plus proper board-support-package to allow community to port linux to it | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this will blow android shit outa the water | 03:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Couldn't you do the same with some Chinese vendor? | 03:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 03:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Just deal with them, they provide the OEM device, you the software, they sell sw-less devices | 03:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Chinese vendors have massive cultural problems with open source | 03:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Can't be any worse than US vendors... | 03:46 |
| SpeedEvil | many do not comply with existing legal requirements - GPL. | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | believe me, it is | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | oh yes, it can. | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bought a cheesy lil featurephone noname, with linux on it, some 4 years ago. Goldelico managed to get some 5 from China. It had no shell, no sourcecode provided, nuttin | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so despite it's linux, it's just as bad as any random proprietary crap for me | 03:49 |
| robbiethe1st | I'd expect you'd have to go to the mfgr /first/ and deal with whoever is willing to deal with you on your terms. | 03:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Like the allwinner cpu-card folks did | 03:49 |
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| robbiethe1st | So... speaking of closed source, is anyone else waiting for Steam on Linux? | 03:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | the last game I purchased was angry birds space. | 03:54 |
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| internetishard | DocScrutinizer05: I think you just need to find the right people. When you get them in the same place, they'll: find the demand and niches for a quality linux phone | 03:56 |
| internetishard | this might need to start in india or somewhere, but I think it could just as easily start in the bay area (where I live) | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there were such meetings. goldelico resulted from it | 03:56 |
| internetishard | I was part of a startup that built it's own touch screen device in under a year with 15 people | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather: gta04 resulted from it | 03:57 |
| internetishard | sure sure, and that's fine and dandy | 03:57 |
| internetishard | but it's no android alternative | 03:57 |
| internetishard | One can go much further in that direction. | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think Nikolaus did it with as little as 50k€ so far, plus tousands of hours of his work | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no venture capital | 03:58 |
| internetishard | A 20 person startup could do it by getting together the people with money who aren't satisfied by android, iOS, or blackberry - and finding mutualistic solutions | 03:58 |
| internetishard | That's one possible route, but I do think there is plenty of capital for such a project. | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead, we'll follow | 03:59 |
| internetishard | DocScrutinizer05 where do you live? | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | D | 03:59 |
| internetishard | I've my own startup to deal with, but I love connecting people? | 03:59 |
| internetishard | Detroit? | 03:59 |
| internetishard | ? -> ! :P | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de_DE | 03:59 |
| internetishard | Are you natively german? | 04:00 |
| internetishard | I used to live in Stockholm | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 04:00 |
| internetishard | Knowing the culture helps me connect people :) | 04:00 |
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| internetishard | I'm trying to think of who might be hurting for a smartphone platform more than anyone else... Who would be the most driven... | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I talked with Raster, with Nikolaus from Goldelico, with those french guys from bearstech | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with Wolfgang Spraul, Wernr Almesberger | 04:01 |
| internetishard | DocScrutinizer05, wouldn't this theoretical platform eventually be able to run iOS and Android apps in VMs? | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | iOS hardly, Android why not | 04:02 |
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| internetishard | hmm, well I run OSX VMs on linux boxes (against the license agreement, but it works fine) | 04:02 |
| robbiethe1st | internetishard, what's your touchscreen device if I may ask? | 04:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | OSX is supposed to run on ISAish hw | 04:03 |
| internetishard | robbiethe1st: I've probably fucked around on IRC too much to be an official employee on here | 04:04 |
| internetishard | but it's in the "mobile health" arena ;) | 04:04 |
| robbiethe1st | oh | 04:04 |
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| kerio | yo deepy | 15:02 |
| kerio | deepy: anything new? | 15:02 |
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| deepy | kerio: not yet, at work atm | 15:06 |
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| dump_01 | Hi ppl! Request to porters: please port this http://zx2c4.com/projects/password-store/ application to maemo, it is bash script that uses gpg2, git and tree programs to manage passwords localy and remotely. | 15:20 |
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| dump_01 | It works with a directory containing encripted data files. also syncronisation to remote server can be done with git. Very usefull | 15:21 |
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| kerio | dump_01: hmm | 15:23 |
| kerio | dump_01: have you tried... installing it? | 15:23 |
| dump_01 | kerio: no but i have no dough i can do it | 15:24 |
| kerio | i mean, are the dependencies in the repos already? | 15:24 |
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| dump_01 | kerio: not sure | 15:25 |
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| dump_01 | dependencies are (as i can see): git(core), gpg2 and tree | 15:26 |
| kerio | hm | 15:26 |
| kerio | git-core is there, gnupg is at 1.4.6 | 15:26 |
| kerio | tree is ok | 15:26 |
| kerio | there's no pwgen and no xclip | 15:27 |
| dump_01 | xclip is an option | 15:28 |
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| dump_01 | kerio: is it possible as for you? | 15:36 |
| kerio | dump_01: not with the deb, sadly | 15:38 |
| kerio | unmet deps | 15:38 |
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| dump_01 | strings /dev/urandom | grep -o ':alnum:' | head -n 30 | tr -d '\n'; echo | 15:45 |
| dump_01 | may be we can replce pwgen with something else? even with `openssl rand -base64 8` | 15:45 |
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| kerio | fun fact: a 7zipped full mame romset for mame 0.147 weighs 28GB | 16:32 |
| kerio | and 28gb fits in a n900 | 16:32 |
| StyXman | heeh | 16:32 |
| kerio | sadly, the CHDs weigh around 250gb, so those won't fit | 16:33 |
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| kerio | is there a way to get PAN working properly on the n900? | 17:54 |
| kerio | having to stand up and *walk* to the shelf with the n900 to turn its wifi on is psychologically painful D: | 17:55 |
| Skry | keeps you fit | 17:58 |
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| kerio | hrmpf, maemo-pan has broken dependencies | 18:02 |
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| kerio | and pc-connectivity-manager is awfuò | 18:12 |
| kerio | awful | 18:12 |
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| kerio | aaaaand it apparently fucked with my bluetoothd and now it's a "Computer" instead of being a "Smartphone" | 18:16 |
| kerio | oh well | 18:16 |
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| kerio | meh, i'm restoring dat shit | 18:21 |
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| Pali | Hi, 0xFFFF 0.5 was released | 18:40 |
| freemangordon | Pali: why do you rewrite libbmeipc once again? | 18:41 |
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| freemangordon | what's wrong with my source? | 18:42 |
| Pali | freemangordon, problem was that I needed to add more (old) header files | 18:42 |
| freemangordon | add where? | 18:42 |
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| freemangordon | it compiles ok | 18:42 |
| freemangordon | and works ok | 18:42 |
| Pali | yes, but compilation of some old code (dsme) not working | 18:42 |
| Pali | and why using pipes? | 18:43 |
| kerio | hi Pali! | 18:43 |
| Pali | hi | 18:43 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: what do you suggest? | 18:44 |
| Pali | simple array | 18:44 |
| Pali | or one struct | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | did you look at how dsme-thermalobject calls libbmeipc | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | ? | 18:44 |
| kerio | k | 18:44 |
| kerio | whoops, wrong window | 18:44 |
| Pali | all communication with bme is: send message, read status, read message | 18:45 |
| Pali | I looked more at bme protocol | 18:45 |
| freemangordon | Pali: I think you got it wring | 18:45 |
| freemangordon | pipes are not to communicate with BME | 18:45 |
| Pali | yes, it is used for read write in app | 18:45 |
| freemangordon | yes | 18:45 |
| Pali | but we do not need it | 18:45 |
| freemangordon | and we MUST keep that | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | because otherwise we have to dig through all of the maemo code | 18:46 |
| Pali | one union of return message is enought | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | (part of it is not FOSS) | 18:46 |
| Pali | all application which using libbmeipc in maemo using bme protocol | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | Pali: wrong, dsme-thermalobject-surface sets up gio listener | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | and waits for data on that handle (returned from libbmeipc) | 18:47 |
| Pali | ok, I will look at it again | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | it is async communicatio | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | n | 18:48 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: look at oroginal code, function connect_bme() | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | *original | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | thermalsensor_battery.c | 18:51 |
| Pali | I see now what you mean | 18:51 |
| Pali | I will fix it | 18:51 |
| Pali | so pipes are really needed | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | fix what, code is already there, just add damn missing defines | 18:51 |
| Pali | I will merge your code with my | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | thats better :) | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | just use my code, and add those headers you think that are missing | 18:52 |
| freemangordon | BTW what is missing? | 18:52 |
| Pali | ok, I also implemented cookie read/write | 18:52 |
| Pali | (no idea if this is used, by libbmeipc export it) | 18:52 |
| freemangordon | ok, but we don't need that | 18:52 |
| freemangordon | noone uses it | 18:52 |
| Pali | ok | 18:52 |
| Pali | what using pulseaudio? | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | Pali: trust me on that and use my code | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | it spits an error if unimplemented function is called | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | PA uses only temperature | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | coocies are used by hald-addon-bme :P | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | *cookies | 18:54 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: which defines are missing? | 18:54 |
| Pali | see git log | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | ok | 18:54 |
| Pali | I do not remember now | 18:55 |
| freemangordon | link? | 18:55 |
| Pali | btw, why dsme (not dsme-theramal...) depends on libbmeipc? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/dsme/0.60.46+0m5/ | 18:55 |
| Pali | my patched libbmeipc: https://meego.gitorious.org/~pali/meego-device-adaptation/pali-n900_libbme | 18:56 |
| Pali | there are 2 branches: master - fixed original nokia code which match n900 bme communication, replacement branch - without bme | 18:56 |
| freemangordon | Pali: beside debian/control depends, does it actually call libbmeipc? | 18:57 |
| freemangordon | dsme that is | 18:57 |
| Pali | ok, so only debian/control has bme line? | 18:57 |
| freemangordon | don't know, you tell me. You tried to compile it, ain't? | 18:57 |
| Pali | I tried to compile *my* program which using bme library | 18:58 |
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| Pali | and also dsme-theramal-* | 18:58 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: but we already agreed we don't need dsme-thermal recompiled | 18:59 |
| Pali | ok | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | as interface is not changed | 18:59 |
| Pali | my first attempt was to compile program for raw/kelvin temperature table | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | see, my code is drop-in replacement (libbmeipc), it needs just to read the real temperature | 19:00 |
| Pali | and for this I needed to modify original released nokia bmeipc headers | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | open/read/close | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | thats it | 19:00 |
| Pali | ok | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | if we need some missing defines in the future, we can easily make -dev package and add the headers | 19:00 |
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| freemangordon | though I think I have all BME defines in libbmeipc | 19:01 |
| Pali | I mean that I needed something which can compile that program for temperature table (so this was reason why I modified nokia libbme code) | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | so, now what :D ? | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | do you want to add that missing temp reading? | 19:02 |
| Pali | yes, I will add it | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | as right now I am trying to find why VKB renderer has a bug | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | (OSS replacement) | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | ok | 19:03 |
| Pali | WTF is testserver? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/testserver/1.1.196+0m5/ | 19:03 |
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| Pali | where it is used? | 19:03 |
| Pali | it depends on libbmeipc too | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | BME replacement in SB AIUI | 19:05 |
| freemangordon | i.e. fake BME | 19:05 |
| freemangordon | Pali: I am back to debugging VKB, ping me if I can help with anything | 19:06 |
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| Pali | ok, I will at libbmeipc in next days... no time now | 19:07 |
| freemangordon | ok | 19:07 |
| kerio | freemangordon: is there a way to make the VKB only appear in portrait and not in landscape? | 19:09 |
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| dump_01 | kerio: what if someone can port pwgen? it's a perl script, i think it is possible | 20:52 |
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| kerio | dump_01: you can probably install the .deb for that too | 20:53 |
| dump_01 | kerio: yes, so whats the problem we face to port password-store? dependencies is not so big deal as i can see | 20:54 |
| kerio | again, there's nothing to port | 20:55 |
| dump_01 | just download, place somewhere and correct paths to dependencies in script? | 20:56 |
| kerio | yeah | 20:56 |
| dump_01 | hm, will try | 20:56 |
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| kerio | deepy: did you fix your phone? | 22:08 |
| deepy | kerio: I didn't dare to open it | 22:09 |
| deepy | does that drain the battery? | 22:09 |
| deepy | the keyboard part | 22:10 |
| kerio | deepy: well, it still turns off everything when you lock the screen | 22:10 |
| kerio | but you lose the open-slider-to-unlock | 22:10 |
| kerio | btw, protip: double"click" the power button to lock | 22:10 |
| deepy | I learned that one by accident :) | 22:11 |
| kerio | hah | 22:11 |
| kerio | and they say maemo isn't intuitive | 22:11 |
| deepy | hngg, server changed IP again | 22:11 |
| deepy | why does it do that | 22:11 |
| kerio | which server? | 22:11 |
| deepy | The one I was supposed to do maintenance on | 22:12 |
| deepy | Gotta fix a foolproof vpn | 22:12 |
| kerio | ...so it's not really foolproof | 22:12 |
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| deepy | No I mean I gotta fix one so I can reach it in the future :P | 22:12 |
| kerio | yay, cpu at 107°C | 22:14 |
| kerio | and os x isn't even making the fans spin as hard as they can, lol | 22:14 |
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| kerio | deepy: apart from the kbd slider issue? | 22:24 |
| kerio | do you like the n900? | 22:24 |
| kerio | it's kind of a weird toy to recommend to people | 22:24 |
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| deepy | the moment I get stuff into dosbox I'm gonna start forgetting my other phone | 22:25 |
| kerio | you could've gotten a laptop with DOS on it for much cheaper | 22:25 |
| deepy | But that doesn't make phone calls | 22:25 |
| kerio | deepy: mind you, the n900 only has a 600mhz CPU | 22:25 |
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