IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2012-09-17

deepypermanent hardware damage?00:00
SpeedEvilyes00:00
SpeedEvilyou can typo, and mis-set a power supply00:00
SpeedEvilkill stuff instantly00:00
deepyooo00:00
keriodeepy: oh, another thing00:01
keriodeepy: do not nandtest00:01
deepyis it a command?00:01
kerioyeah00:01
kerioin mtd-tools00:01
deepyI will remember not to use it00:01
kerioit's a destructive test00:01
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kerioin general, don't write to /dev/mtd1 under any circumstance00:02
deepyHow come there's a destructive test?00:02
kerioit's hardly recoverable00:02
keriodeepy: ask the mtd-tools dudes00:02
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kerioi had to reinstall my sheevaplug because of it :300:02
kerioluckily the sheevaplug has a builtin JTAG interface00:02
keriobut /dev/mtd1 on the N900 holds some pretty important data that can't easily be rebuilt00:03
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DocScrutinizer05anyway00:29
DocScrutinizer05deepy: you might want to hit F5 on your browser page to jrtools00:29
deepydoes it have css?00:29
DocScrutinizer05I updated the parially obsolete shit there00:30
DocScrutinizer05not today ;-P00:30
deepydoes the wiki usually have css?00:30
keriostatic.maemo.org is still down the shitter00:30
DocScrutinizer05yes00:30
DocScrutinizer05not today though00:30
deepyah, goodie00:30
kerioit's pretty00:30
deepyit's still in the i2c-tools install phase :/00:30
kerioall orange and stuff00:30
DocScrutinizer05errr00:31
deepyd'oh00:31
keriowhat?00:31
deepyIt was prompting me to accept that on the phone00:31
kerioLOL00:31
DocScrutinizer05you might have missed a notifier on device display00:31
keriowhy are you installing i2c-tools?00:31
deepyit was pulled in by backupmenu00:31
keriooh, right00:31
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keriodeepy: there's no proper debconf support, so most packages that ask for a confirmation will do so on screen00:32
deepyWhere should I pu the backup?00:33
deepymass storage?00:33
deepyoh nvm00:34
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keriodeepy: MyDocs/systemBackups or mmc1/systemBackups00:43
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keriodeepy: oh, btw00:51
keriosomething that we should've told you before00:51
keriouse a file to grind down the "teeth" on the microusb plug for both the usb cable and the wallcharger00:51
keriothe microusb port is the most common point of failure00:52
deepyoO00:53
deepyI'm gonna have to get a picture of that tomorrow00:53
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DocScrutinizer05deepy: or don't listen to kerio, since he's a radical. Just insert the plug a hundered times into some other device with stronger USB port, and apply a bit of graphite by painting the outer of sleeve and latches with a soft pencil01:42
DocScrutinizer05filing down latches is not recommended, since it will eventually result in USB too loose, and also may cause iron dust inside USB plug which is a really nasty thing to have01:43
Luke-JrO.o01:44
Luke-JrI soldered my USB ports down01:44
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SpeedEvil:-)01:54
DocScrutinizer05~usbfix01:55
infobotusbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)01:55
DocScrutinizer05>>... BEFORE and after it's too late<<01:55
SpeedEvilalso, if you want to seal your device, I would not recommend epoxy01:56
SpeedEvilhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Silicone-encapsulant-for-solar-cells-3-3-kg-QSIL-216-/280901002447?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item41670124cf01:57
SpeedEvilfor example01:58
SpeedEvillow modulo us silicone01:58
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DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: do you know of any decent low-resistance electrically conductive glue?02:16
DocScrutinizer05well, there's silver varnish02:16
DocScrutinizer05anything else/better?02:17
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SpeedEvilit's all expensive02:30
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wirrhi all... noticed there's a file /etc/default/osso-mmc-blacklist.sh referencend in /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh. Anyone knows how to make use of it? I'm getting /dev/dm-0 mounted instead of /dev/mmcblk0p102:58
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lufwirr: I'm afraid they are sleeping now.03:00
lufwirr: I think pali and freemangordon know (at least).03:01
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wirrluf: thanks, i'll drop by another time - should be sleeping as well ;-)03:02
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merlin1991wirr: gimme a sec03:03
merlin1991wirr: see http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/ke-recv03:04
lufmerlin1991: good I think you're sleeping too :)03:04
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_David_Hey all, is there any Dreamweaver/BlueFish type software on Maemo?03:32
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DocScrutinizer05wirr: that's my baby03:52
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DocScrutinizer05wirr: /etc/default/osso-mmc-blacklist.sh is simply souced before /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh gets executed03:53
DocScrutinizer05wirr: basically you can do whatever you want in osso-mmc-blacklist.sh03:54
DocScrutinizer05wirr: though it's intended to stop certain mmc partitions from getting mounted03:54
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pabs3whats going on with the static.maemo.org domain?03:56
DocScrutinizer05down for weekend chillout and ointment03:58
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DocScrutinizer05or simply busy sending spam03:58
_David_Any kind soul feel like compiling BlueFish for me?  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=3922703:59
pabs3DocScrutinizer05: hmm, ok. I note that http://maemo.org/static/ still works tho03:59
DocScrutinizer05could that help make wili.maemo.org render again?04:00
DocScrutinizer05wiki*04:00
_David_ok easier question:  what's the best maps application for holidaying in the Netherlands, Belgium and Paris?04:10
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pabs3DocScrutinizer05: looks fine to me (I like less colourful websites), but yeah it is referencing static.maemo.org for CSS04:24
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DocScrutinizer05mappero, maep, marble, ovi-maps04:48
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jpinxDocScrutinizer05: fwiw I haven't found any missing bits of files yet - after that fsck jazz ;)06:36
jpinxbut I have the original backup safely tucked away just in case,,,,  :)06:37
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wirrDocScrutinizer, merlin1991: thanks10:51
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keriohmm, what's "osso"?11:39
kerioi never thought of asking11:39
inzkerio, Open Source Software Operations11:43
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merlin1991kerio: it used to be a department inside nokia, comes from times before maemo11:48
kerioi see11:49
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internetishardSo my conversations DB is corrupt. Can I go in and fix it? I want to have access to my year+ of conversations - but that slows my phone and gets messed up the more I use it (people's names become "* <SelfHandle> (#)" - which I'm guessing is some code that got spewed into content!12:43
internetishardIdeas?12:43
StyXmaninternetishard: copy the .db files to your computer, delete them in the phone, and try to recover them in your computer12:45
StyXmanand make backups before modifying them12:46
internetishardHow will I know how to repair the DB?12:46
StyXmangood question12:46
internetishardAlso - what's the solution as this thing expands to be able to check the history of my conversations without slowing the phone to a crawl? I've 3+ years of so many conversations in history...12:47
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StyXmaninternetishard: once you remove them from the phone, itshould go faster in the phone :|12:47
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internetishardyeah, but how should I look up old conversations if I need to. It's also incredibly hard to scroll to a midpoint in any conversation that is of a reasonable length12:50
internetishardThis software is just insanely bad.12:50
internetishardI've been reading, but I've not learned about coping mechanisms of other users.12:50
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merlin1991internetishard: I guess the safest bet is to remove messages older than a certain age and keep a backup somewhere else just in case13:23
internetishardThere's no way to do that, right?13:23
merlin1991that would save the speed issues and should preserve enough backlog in the average case13:23
merlin1991the conversations are inside a sqlite db13:23
internetishardSo you do it manually?13:23
merlin1991yep13:23
internetishardI'd have to write a script13:23
internetishardJesus13:23
internetishardThis is why people use iphones13:23
internetishardThen what would I use to view my old DB?13:24
merlin1991there is some gui for sqlite13:24
merlin1991http://sqlitebrowser.sourceforge.net/13:24
internetishardDo you use the n900 as your #1?13:25
merlin1991I've been doing that for a long time, but nowadays I use a n913:26
merlin1991though it still depends on your defeiniton of #1, the n9 is only my #1 phone, I still use and carry my n900 for other stuff13:26
internetishardwhat are those other things?13:27
internetishardWhy the n9? Are you comfortable with the touch keyboard?13:27
keriointernetishard: also note that upgrading sqlite will make that faster13:27
StyXmankerio: tell me more13:27
merlin1991StyXman: there is a thread on tmo13:27
keriosome dude backported meego's sqlite13:27
internetishardupgrading sqlite on the n900 will make loading conversations faster?13:28
* merlin1991 relized he should contact the dev regarding inclusion to cssu13:28
keriointernetishard: yeah, the libsqlite3-0 on the n900 is kinda old13:28
merlin1991internetishard: yep there've been quite some improvements to sqlite since the version that ships with the n90013:28
merlin1991about the other uses, ie fm-transmitter, wireless fun, anything that requires a hw keyboard...13:28
kerio>wireless "fun"13:29
keriolol13:29
merlin1991also the touch keyboard works for sms, but I wouldn't use it to type longer texts13:29
internetishardmerlin1991: so you're talking terminal work & airplay?13:29
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keriowtf is airplay?13:30
merlin1991kerio: ie when I want to use my openvpn tunnel on win7 which fscks dns resolution, so I "pipe" the traffic through the n900 over usb so the dns resolver in win7 is not confused13:30
keriohehe13:31
merlin1991kerio: I suppose he meant aireplay which is part of the aircrack suite13:31
merlin1991internetishard: one more thing I still do on the n900, listen to music 16gb on the phone are just not enough :P13:32
internetishardn9 is only 16GB?13:34
merlin1991there is a 16gb model and a 64gb model13:34
internetishardI still haven't set it up, but I'm gonna have all my music on my server and I'm gonna mount it over NFS or something or stream all my music13:34
internetishardso the 64GB model can still have a 32GB microsd card, bringing it to 96GB?13:35
merlin1991the n9 has no cardslot13:35
merlin1991also on the 16gb model only 8.8gb are avaiable for user data13:35
internetishardwhy did you get an n9?13:37
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internetishardis there any benefit over android?13:37
merlin1991mainly because I didn't pay for it, but I was interested because it's still the purest linux experience for a current smartphone one can get13:38
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internetishardI'm unclear on why it is more pure.13:39
keriobecause android is as unix as iOS13:40
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internetishard:( @ linux on smartphones13:41
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dhbikerhi there.... my device is bootlooping + backupmenu boots and its not responding13:42
dhbikershould i reflash it with vanilla ?13:42
internetishardmerlin1991: why wouldn't sqlite be an auto update on the n900 for the community package?13:44
internetishardIt won't break anyt hing if I do it manually?13:44
merlin1991it should not break anything at all13:44
merlin1991but it if it is feasible it makes sense to ship to all cssu users13:44
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internetishardyeah, I feel like cssu could do a lot more13:45
internetishardI've not noticed much of a difference13:45
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cryptonitehello13:46
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cryptoniteto watch 720p videos are the instruction still valid as per http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=77695&highlight=720p&page=10813:47
cryptonitei run power51 and cssu-thumb13:48
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Kamping_KaiserHey all, looking time no see. I was wondering what makes the New testing update require PC suite mode to install. Its not mentioned in the change log13:54
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merlin1991install the operator name update first14:00
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merlin1991that fsckd msg is simply wrong, it's the default when ham can't decide on conflicts / dependencies and gives up14:01
internetishardSo are there lots of other things to update manually besides the sqlite software? Lots of other goodies CSSU doesn't include?14:02
keriointernetishard: well, there's cssu-thumb14:03
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kerioyou need a kernel with the thumb2 errata workaround14:03
internetishardk, pulled the thread, gotta read about14:04
kerioless ram used + shit recompiled with gcc 4.6 or 4.714:05
Kamping_KaiserM Merlin thanks, next time if and to update I will ensure the widget happens first :-)14:05
kerioKamping_Kaiser: nah, it's not going to be needed14:06
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* Kamping_Kaiser this a power source and has another go14:08
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DocScrutinizer05jpinx: (no missing bits) good to hear. The *.REC files may easily be "recovered" deleted files as well14:12
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Kamping_KaiserUpdate installing. :-)14:18
dhbikerhi there.... my device is bootlooping + backupmenu boots and its not responding14:18
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DocScrutinizer05(<internetishard> I've not noticed much of a difference) that's the basic concept of cssu. It's not even 'allowed' to massivedly change UX, it's meant to keep UX for the good bits and only "fix" broken or obviously missing&&system stuff14:20
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DocScrutinizer05internetishard: for other improvements there's extras(-devel) repo that holds all the good stuff14:21
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DocScrutinizer05internetishard: cssu is not a set of preselected apps claiming to be better than the set shipped with stock maemo. Au contraire one of the ideas of cssu is to give user more freedom of choice14:22
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keriothat's why we force a different operator name widget and a different camera-ui on you!14:23
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DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: flash COMBINED, install BM, restore your backup14:24
keriodhbiker: robbiethe1st made a fiasco image with BM preinstalled14:24
DocScrutinizer05indeed14:24
* DocScrutinizer05 slaps kerio for forcing nicocam and opername on him14:24
dhbikeri get this http://pastebin.com/tjNdvcxt14:25
DocScrutinizer05nah, that's simply not true for cssu-stable. That's why it's called stable (among other things)14:25
keriodhbiker: yep14:26
DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: blacklist phonet!14:26
keriodhbiker: remove the battery, connect the usb cable, hold "u" down, put the battery in14:27
kerioor something14:27
dhbikernah same happens14:27
dhbikereverytime14:27
DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: blacklist phonet!14:27
dhbikersir yes sir!14:27
DocScrutinizer05~flashing14:27
infobotrumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware14:27
DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: lsmod|grep phon14:28
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jacekowskiyou're doing it wrong14:28
DocScrutinizer05if something shows up there, you got phonet kernel module problem14:28
dhbikergreat14:28
dhbikeri'll try on my netbook14:29
DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: most contemporary linux distros have cdc_phonet kernel module, you'll most likely need to blacklist it on your netbook as well14:30
dhbikerprobably14:30
dhbikerbut i have a different kernel14:30
dhbikeron netbook14:30
chem|stkerio: who forces that on you?.... would be me and I don't!14:30
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: don't feed the troll ;-)14:31
keriobut i'm hungry!14:31
chem|stbut I have spare cookies!14:31
DocScrutinizer05hehe14:31
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DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: just out of interest, what did you do to fsckup your system?14:33
DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: installed custom kernel? nitdroid?14:34
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dhbikertoo drained battery while restoring backup14:34
kerioouch14:34
kerioyeah, that's bad14:34
keriowhy didn't you plug the wallcharger in?14:35
DocScrutinizer05indeed14:35
keriobackupmenu can charge14:35
dhbikerdidn't have time :(14:35
keriohm, BM could add a battery meter14:35
DocScrutinizer05meh14:35
DocScrutinizer05but... yeah, it could. Technically14:35
DocScrutinizer05I'd consider it more helpful to add a charge level test with warning14:37
DocScrutinizer05"battery low!!! Odds are any backup or restore operation gets aborted by system shutdown due to battery empty. For restore this will thoroughly mess up your system, for backup this will result in broken useless backup file and possible fs corruption. IT'S STRONGLY RECOMMENDED YOU PLUG IN WALLCHARGER *NOW*!"14:40
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keriothis reminds me, i should make another backup14:41
dhbikeragree14:41
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keriohm, is there a reason /etc/mtab is not a symlink to /proc/mounts?14:46
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DocScrutinizer05I also might imagine some special handling for /lib/modules which should makes ure it gets restored only to a version matching current kernel14:47
DocScrutinizer05...unless there's this magic file causing kernel-flasher to run on next boot14:48
kerioDocScrutinizer05: or, much, much easier: dump/flash the kernel too14:48
DocScrutinizer05^^^^14:48
kerioDocScrutinizer05: there's no copy of the kernel in the fs itself14:48
DocScrutinizer05what you suggested is next step aka v2.014:49
kerioi wonder, can the kernel be dumped/flashed with nanddump/nandwrite?14:49
kerioor do you need the onboard flasher?14:49
DocScrutinizer05I *guess* it can get backed-up and restored by nandtools14:49
DocScrutinizer05I suggested that to robbiethe1st several times now14:50
Arkenoiappears that memory freed with cssu-thumb makes browser run noticeably faster14:50
DocScrutinizer05also do a backup of CAL ;-)14:50
kerioArkenoi: indeed14:50
kerio~cssu-thumb14:50
infobotsomebody said cssu-thumb was <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively14:50
DocScrutinizer05nah, thumb microB is considerably faster14:50
Arkenoior might be that14:51
keriohrmpf, mass storage mode from backupmenu is *kinda* flaky14:51
kerioArkenoi: it's both14:51
keriomore free ram, better compiler, stronger optimization14:51
Arkenoilooks almost like n950 speed now :-)14:51
Arkenoiwith moderate overclock (950MHz)14:51
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DocScrutinizer05overclock basically useless compared to thumb speedup14:52
jacekowskiinteresting14:52
DocScrutinizer05btw I wouldn't consider 950MHz a "moderate OC"14:52
jacekowskii though that thumb is around the same speed14:53
kerioyeah, 950 is a 58% increase14:53
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keriojacekowski: it's actually a little bit slower14:53
DocScrutinizer05and basically close to the edge already14:53
keriobut it frees ram14:53
kerioand freemangordon uses gcc 4.6 or gcc 4.714:53
jacekowskiby how much?14:53
jacekowski10-20%?14:53
kerioas opposed to the crappy scratchbox 4.214:53
DocScrutinizer05which seems much better compared to old compiler14:53
Kamping_KaiserStory I disappeared, andchat speed respondent :-(14:54
jacekowskii would think it's more gcc than thumb14:54
keriojacekowski: probably, but the freed ram does help a lot14:54
jacekowskicode that old gcc was generating was pretty bad14:54
Kamping_KaiserThanks for your help, update installed perfectly14:54
DocScrutinizer05hmm?14:54
DocScrutinizer05ECHAN?14:55
Kamping_KaiserMe? Correct channel, just 20 Minn late14:55
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, sorry, missed your posts of 90 min ago14:55
DocScrutinizer05or 30?14:56
Kamping_KaiserSome time ago. Either way, just wanted to make sure I said thanks before I head off14:57
* DocScrutinizer05 gets tired to spam channel with [general notice]14:57
DocScrutinizer05Kamping_Kaiser: :-D14:57
Kamping_Kaiser:-)14:57
kerioanyway, operator-name-cbs-widget can (and should?) be uninstalled, after the upgrade to cssu-T5.114:57
DocScrutinizer05meh, WFM14:58
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's a dummy14:58
DocScrutinizer05but yes, the update is meant to allow de-installation now14:58
keriothe actual stuff is in connui-home-cellular14:58
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DocScrutinizer05that's why we got dependency issue on update14:59
keriohm, how do you manually focus with nicocam?15:00
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keriodeepy: http://i.imgur.com/1F2xq.jpg <- this is a picture of my usb cable15:05
kerioit's the standard nokia one15:05
kerio(it's slightly from the underside)15:06
deepyah, those teeth15:07
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kerioyep15:07
keriodone the same to both microusb plugs15:07
kerio(usb cable and wallcharger)15:07
deepyCan I rip them out instead?15:08
jaskai ripped the teeth out of mine15:08
kerioi'm disgusted by your lack of finesse15:08
keriobut i suppose that it'll work \_o_/15:09
jaskai blame my arctic forest troll heritage15:09
deepyI think so yeah. /o_/15:09
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DocScrutinizer05it's deprecated15:10
keriowhat's deprecated?15:10
DocScrutinizer05mechanically mess with plug15:10
jaskabetter than nothing i suppose, im awful at soldering :)15:11
DocScrutinizer05I pushed the "teeth" slightly with fingernail, and did a few hundered careful mate/unmate-cycles, and my plugs all work just fine15:11
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DocScrutinizer05(actually I pulled the plug 2mm and right pushed it back, no complete extraction. Can easily be done with fingernails (so you have any) during watching a movie)15:13
DocScrutinizer05also soft pencil helps to apply some graphite to the outside of plug, will help a friggin lot15:13
DocScrutinizer05mechanical messing around with plugs is prone to do permanent damage to the port15:14
kerioDocScrutinizer05: is filing down a part "mechanical"?15:14
DocScrutinizer05yes15:14
DocScrutinizer05as worse as it gets15:14
kerioD:15:15
DocScrutinizer05metal dust will ruin your port15:15
keriohm15:15
DocScrutinizer05as will those rough surfaces you create15:15
keriooh well, it works \_o_/15:15
keriowon't graphite do that too?15:16
DocScrutinizer05no15:16
DocScrutinizer05graphite is a librificant, metal dust is an abrasive thing15:17
kerioi see15:17
DocScrutinizer05lub*15:17
keriowell this would've been more useful to know... two months ago...15:17
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DocScrutinizer05pencil graphite stays in place, metal dust from filing enters the plug and ruins your contacts15:18
DocScrutinizer05mind you, these are like 50um of gold on steel springs15:19
DocScrutinizer05gold is softer than steel dust15:19
keriowell, i blew on both the port and the plug15:19
DocScrutinizer05the least you could do to limit damage15:19
DocScrutinizer05nevertheless it's deprecated to file on plugs, better bend the hooks gently in a few times, with your fingernails15:20
DocScrutinizer05*slightly*15:20
DocScrutinizer05this will soften the springs in those hooks15:21
DocScrutinizer05resulting in way smoother retraction of plug15:21
DocScrutinizer05a few 50..100 mating cycles do the rest (rounding the hooks' sharp "nose")15:21
DocScrutinizer05YMMV, but I found it works just fine for me15:23
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dhbikerDocScrutinizer05: no luck... tried with windows too and it throws some weird error15:27
dhbikersometihng with APE blah blah blah15:27
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DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: sorry, no idea about windows15:28
dhbikershiet15:28
DocScrutinizer05I can only talk you through flashing under linux15:28
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dhbikerok15:28
dhbikeri am root15:28
dhbikerand everything15:28
dhbikerjust like the guide says15:28
dhbikerand i still get that no suitable device found15:29
DocScrutinizer05do lsmod|grep phonet15:29
dhbikernothing15:29
DocScrutinizer05what are you trying to flash?15:29
dhbikeremmc15:29
dhbikerVersion of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR015:30
dhbikerBooting device into flash mode.15:30
dhbikerSuitable USB device not found, waiting.15:30
DocScrutinizer05flash combined first, flashing emmc depends on a working rootfs15:30
dhbikeroh.15:30
DocScrutinizer05see ~flashing15:30
DocScrutinizer05it's all written there15:30
DocScrutinizer05"combined, vanilla, then combined again..."15:31
dhbikerit lives \o/15:39
kerio\o/15:39
dhbikerty DocScrutinizer05 & kerio <315:39
DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: >>. The sequence "eMMC first, then rootfs" is checked back with Nokia affiliates and is proven to work as long as your rootfs still is somewhat functional. Note however that eMMC flashing will fail when your rootfs is completely messed up, the recommended flash sequence then is rootfs, eMMC, rootfs *again*.<<   http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N90015:39
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keriohmm, is there a jtag interface somewhere on the n900?15:42
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: yep, under battery15:48
DocScrutinizer05presumably15:48
DocScrutinizer05kerio: alas those details are omitted from schematics15:49
keriotypical :s15:49
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keriohm, how do you actually connect to those pads under the battery?15:49
keriodo you have to solder something to them?15:49
DocScrutinizer05service fixture15:49
keriois it something that clips?15:49
DocScrutinizer05yep, a huge "battery" with pogopins and cable15:50
kerioi see15:50
DocScrutinizer05or this http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/Unlocking/servicecableuniversal1.htm15:51
keriohahaha, that's cool15:52
DocScrutinizer05the one i meant looks similar to http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-X2-01-Unlocking-Flashing-Cable-GPG-Best-Dongle-Fenix-Key-MxBox-MxKey-/130757486675?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D390253018066%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D2108992536272159332#ht_2210wt_116315:54
DocScrutinizer05more like http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-E5-00-Flashing-Unlocking-Cable-GPG-for-MxKey-Best-Dongle-Fenix-Cyclone-/140838802718?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccesories_MobilePhoneDataCables_JN&hash=item20caa5951e15:56
kerioyeah, yeah15:56
keriohehe, that kind of stuff would fit in the mugen xl backcover :D15:57
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pippo93ciao16:07
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dhbikerDocScrutinizer05: in what repo is the backupmenu ?16:11
DocScrutinizer05extras-devel16:11
dhbikerty16:12
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DocScrutinizer05yw16:17
DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: http://maemo.org/packages/16:17
DocScrutinizer05name includes: "backup"16:18
DocScrutinizer05-->http://maemo.org/packages/view/backupmenu/16:18
lufDocScrutinizer05: oh it's not in extras-testing at least?16:21
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lufextras-devel doesn't sound very seriously. I can't believe you suggest it :)16:22
kerioisn't the promotion mechanism kinda broken?16:22
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dhbikernow i'll wait for battery be fully charged16:23
dhbikeri wont do the same mistake again :/16:23
lufkerio: developer itself put it into testing. It worked at least few month ago (curl).16:23
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DocScrutinizer05luf: alas there's a lot of useful (and stable) packages lingering in -devel. That's mainly due to lack of testers who would promote a pkg from extras-testing to extras16:39
DocScrutinizer05so devels see no use in promoting their packages to -testing, I guess16:39
* DocScrutinizer05 takes mental note to prod robbiethe1st to promote BM to -testing16:40
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keriohehe, cool, you can see the bluetooth transfer speed drop as you transfer data via wifi16:55
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DocScrutinizer05doesn't mean much though17:01
DocScrutinizer05more interesting would be to watch BT bandwidth while transfering data between two other devices close to the BT devices17:02
* DocScrutinizer05 suspects 50% of the BT headset audio dropouts caused by interference from other 2.4GHz sources, like WLAN-hotspots, microwave ovens, and whatnot else17:03
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Arkenoibtw is there a way to force contacts into portrait?17:06
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drhjknope17:08
keriosure there is17:09
kerioenable forcerotation and remove it from the blacklist17:09
kerioit'll probably work like ass, though17:09
drhjkmost of the originl code for the dialer app was never intended to run in portrait from the beginning.17:11
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DocScrutinizer05worst case it'll segfault17:32
DocScrutinizer05most likely it won't be usable at all, due to size and positioning of widgets17:33
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lufDocScrutinizer05: hey guy I told about -devel not -testing. Putting package into -testing depends only on the developer. And when developer means it's not stable enough for testing ... how can we recomand it?18:08
lufDocScrutinizer05: but it's like the question if there was egg or hen at first ...18:09
lufDocScrutinizer05: Devels should do they job. And it's only 1 click I think to put the package into -testing.18:10
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deepyI just noticed it's FM TRANSMITTER and not receiver18:44
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deepyand then I noticed TV-out18:44
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keriodeepy: there's also a fm receiver19:08
keriobut no builtin way to use it19:08
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deepyhe19:13
deepyh19:13
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DocScrutinizer05N900? but proper non-HARM-hackish proper community made packages for FMRX, even several19:31
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: that's why i said "builtin"19:33
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DocScrutinizer05DAFAQ Sep 17 16:33:56 halebop kernel: [3943500.563996] Critical temperature reached (100 C), shutting down.19:35
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* DocScrutinizer05 runs to buy a can of pressurized air19:36
kerioi don't think it's going to be cold enough19:37
DocScrutinizer05nah, i hoped that docking station will lift the T500 above table just enough to stop it scooping in all debris and tobacco and ashes and whatnot - obviously a delusion. So going to blow it out again19:40
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DocScrutinizer05temps all <63° now, wtf?19:50
DocScrutinizer05I guess fan control in T500 under linux is borked19:51
DocScrutinizer05(not exactly unheard)19:51
SpeedEvilor over temp monitoring19:52
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deepyWhere are the files I put on the mass storage?19:55
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deepyoh, /media/mmc119:56
deepyI need a tab complete :E19:56
kerioor ~/MyDocs19:56
keriodeepy: map tab to shift+fn+something19:56
kerioeither bksp or ret19:57
deepyand it's not in that folder either19:58
deepyit really is in ~MyDocs which was empty every single time I checked19:58
deepymplayer crashed19:59
deepykmplayer worked much better20:01
keriodeepy: those don't use the DSP though20:04
drhjkkerio, how to map keys in maemo?20:04
drhjknm, it is actually easy to find20:05
keriodrhjk: edit /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 as appropriate :)20:05
kerioread the xkb docs to learn how to20:05
deepykerio: dsp?20:06
deepyAlso, I'm open for alternatives20:07
keriodeepy: hardware thingy that does video decoding20:07
deepyAh20:07
kerioit's used by the default media player application and by openmediaplayer20:07
keriobut it only works with some formats20:07
kerioyou can also install additional gstreamer codecs for other formats20:07
kerioapt-get install decoders-support ogg-support20:08
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DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Fan_control_scripts20:16
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DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: http://superuser.com/questions/304421/thinkpad-shuts-down-after-10-minutes-of-heavy-use20:20
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DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: I think I might need a bios update20:24
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vi_yo20:59
vi_at the risk of appearing like a total spastic retard, how do I update to the latest cssu-thumb?20:59
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vi_freemangordon: ping21:00
vi_how hard is it to modify hildon home?21:03
vi_when you type letters in it automatically opens the address book.21:04
vi_and searches.21:04
vi_your contacts.21:04
vi_How hard would it be to also include program names in that search?21:05
vi_Almost an instant search as it were.21:05
vi_?21:05
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deepyis the default browser goodor should I change?21:32
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rlinfatiwhats happens with python and the builder ?21:45
rlinfatihttps://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2012-September/thread.html <- [extras-builds] [fremantle]: python2.7 2.7.3~rc2-2.1-maemo1 UNKNOWN   x 10000000000021:46
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keriodeepy: it can't be easily changed, and unless you install cssu-thumb fennec (firefox mobile) will seriously suck21:52
keriodeepy: there's an experimental version of opera mobile that works well21:53
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deepycssu-thumb?21:53
deepyWeren't you grieving over that a while ago?21:53
kerioi what?21:53
deepythe performance of it?21:54
keriowhat's "it" here?21:54
keriofennec?21:54
deepycssu-thumb21:54
keriono, cssu-thumb is the shit21:54
deepyWhy am I not using it?21:54
kerioidk21:54
freemangordon~cssu-thumb21:54
infobothmm... cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively21:54
keriodeepy: well, it's kinda bleedy21:55
deepyWhat about samba?21:55
deepyI figure I could use with a samba client21:55
kerioyou could use *what* with a samba client?21:55
kerioyou accidentally a noun there21:55
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deepyI accidently a verb ther21:56
kerioanyway, apt-get install samba or something like that21:56
deepycssu first!21:56
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kerioif you just want a client, smbfs and smbclient seem appropriate21:56
deepyI found the tab21:56
keriofreemangordon: make an actual factoid with links to the instructions to install cssu-thumb21:57
deepydoes bleedy bleedy and stable both have twisted?21:57
keriodeepy: it appears that python-twisted-* is only in extras-devel21:57
keriowhich is, realistically, what you should use21:58
kerioDocScrutinizers gonna scrutinize21:59
deepyThe only legitimate way to learn is to break something21:59
kerioikr22:00
deepyNOBODY learns as fast as when they're trying to save their valuable data22:00
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keriodeepy: it's even easier if you don't have any valuable data22:00
deepyThat's cheating and hinders the urgency22:00
deepyBut it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make22:00
keriowhat do you need twisted for?22:01
deepyPython networking and lurvely reactors22:01
kerio... i know22:01
kerioi meant in particular22:01
deepyMaemo uses Qt doesn't it?22:01
deepyOh, I haven't planned anything22:01
deepyit's just that whatever I do I generally end up using twisted22:01
keriohehe22:01
kerioanyway, most nokia applications use gtk22:01
keriobut qt is also available22:02
kerioand the look&feel is mostly the same22:02
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kerioyou should use qt, gtk sucks22:03
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Sicelokerio: doesn't qt  have somewhat higher ram usage than gtk?22:18
keriogtkers gonna gtk22:19
Sicelolol22:19
kerioand i don't think the ram usage is *that* greater22:19
Siceloi'm not even a dev or something :P22:19
keriounless you always use maemo-launcher/maemo-invoker for your gtk programs22:20
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keriohuh, apparently launching a different maemo-launcher borks your existing maemo-launcher22:30
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freemangordonkerio: Qt uses much more RAM than gtk, something like 2-3 times22:34
freemangordonfor one and the same task22:35
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keriodeepy: btw, you might want to install Easy Debian23:09
myuu__hey23:09
myuu__on that subject23:09
myuu__can you use any small image for easydeb?23:09
myuu__i know this subject is on the forums but im literally walking down the street23:09
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keriomyuu__: watch out for potholes23:18
deepykerio: what does it do?23:18
keriomyuu__: i suppose you can use any image you want for easychroot23:19
keriodeepy: a debian testing install in a chroot jail, with lxde, libreoffice, gimp and iceweasel23:19
deepyoh23:22
deepyI don't need/want any of those tbh :p23:23
kerioyep :)23:23
kerioshit's awesome, yo23:23
deepyIsn't libreoffice based on OO.org?23:23
keriolibreoffice is OOo but with a lot less oracle23:23
deepyDoes that even work on normal equipment?23:23
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keriowhat do you mean?23:25
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ZogG_laptopLO was forked23:31
ZogG_laptopand they added a lotf from there side23:31
ZogG_laptopOO was updated and stuff was added too23:31
ZogG_laptopthe question if changes were merged23:32
ZogG_laptopand afaik LO devs are those who left OO coz of oracle23:32
deepyI thought you needed a HPC to even run OO.org23:33
kerioi thought most of the devs that left OO were the important ones23:33
deepyanyways23:34
deepymore important matters23:34
deepydoes dosemu/dosbox work fine on maemo?23:34
kerioi don't see why not23:35
kerioapart for the right clicking23:35
deepyCan I find them in HAM_23:35
keriodosbox - Intel x86 PC emulator23:35
deepykerio23:37
deepyI think you have tricked me23:37
deepyThis thing is a PDA, not a phone... is it not?23:37
keriowtf23:38
keriowell, technically it's a Nokia Internet Tablet23:38
myuu__it was marketed as a tablet23:38
kerioit does phone calls, as a side business23:38
keriois it not good?23:38
myuu__you just got an n900 deepy?23:39
keriomyuu__: yeah, he kept saying that his phone sucks, and i obviously suggested to buy a used n90023:39
keriohe actually did it23:39
kerioLOLZ23:39
myuu__congrats23:40
myuu__also whats this thumb23:40
SpeedEvilyay23:40
deepyIt does seem to do slightly less than my PC and a lot more than my current phone23:40
myuu__new repo?23:40
keriomyuu__: a cssu-testing variant23:40
myuu__id like to give it a go23:40
myuu__url23:40
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keriowith performance enhancing drugs23:40
myuu__or nvm ill google23:40
keriomyuu__: technically you already have the repo entry in HAM23:40
deepyI'm not overly thrilled about how "fat" it is, but that's gonna be irrelevant if the battery holds up well :)23:40
kerioif you updated to the latest CSSU23:40
myuu__ham just plain doesnt work for me im afraid23:41
keriomyuu__: do you have cssu-testing enabled?23:41
myuu__oh but it should also be a part of apt-get yet23:41
freemangordonmyuu__: cssu-testing recompiled with gcc 4.7.2-linaro and by using Thumb2 instruction set23:41
keriomyuu__: if you don't have kp51 installed, then you should use HAM23:41
freemangordonmyuu__: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597&postcount=123:42
keriobecause thumb2 binaries need a special workaround in the kernel23:42
kerioso doing apt-get upgrade is a bad idea - unless you install the kernel first and then reboot, i s'pose23:42
keriobut no, follow the instructions23:42
myuu__cant exactly flash but im on kp4923:42
kerioinfobot: cssu-thumb is also http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=122059723:42
infobotokay, kerio23:42
keriomyuu__: "can't exactly flash", "HAM doesn't work"23:43
keriowtf23:43
keriowhat have you done to your n900?23:43
myuu__its been through a lot23:43
myuu__the USB craps out23:43
keriodeepy: the battery is not really "good", though23:43
kerioit *is* swappable, though23:43
kerioand unofficial BL-5Js have gotten to 1500mAh23:44
freemangordonkerio: come on, why the battery is not good?23:44
kerio(measured)23:44
myuu__i had this discussio the other day in the -ssu channel lol23:44
keriofreemangordon: well, it's not infinite, for instance :(23:44
myuu__i was doing a lot to kill my battery fast23:44
freemangordonkerio: aah, I see23:44
kerioi'd like a cold fusion battery23:45
keriofreemangordon: tbh deepy said that his previous phone couldn't last the night in standby, from a full charge23:45
kerioso \_o_/23:45
freemangordonandroid?23:45
kerioa weird LG android one, yeah23:45
keriowith a really powerful cpu23:45
myuu__thats the kicker23:45
freemangordonno matter LG, HTC, sammy23:45
freemangordonandroid sucks23:46
kerio+123:46
freemangordonbattery that is :P23:46
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freemangordonkerio: what CPU?23:46
freemangordonthe powerfull one I mean.23:46
keriodeepy: which one?23:47
freemangordonsnapdragon?23:47
keriodeepy: also, don't say i tricked you, you make me feel bad :(23:47
kerioi told you upfront about all the bad sides of the n90023:47
deepykerio: I don't think it can make phone calls23:48
freemangordonhmm, n900 has bad sides? :D23:48
deepyit's trying to replace my PC and my PC cannot make phone calls23:48
freemangordonaah, yeah , no compass :(23:48
keriodeepy: hahaha23:48
keriodeepy: of course your PC can do phone calls23:49
kerioif you install a phone in it23:49
keriowhich is about what the n900 has, really23:49
keriothe rapuyama chip is powerful enough to run low-end phones by itself23:49
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keriodeepy: oh, something bad i haven't told you about: pulseaudio23:51
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deepyI'm perfectly aware of what pulseaudio is23:51
keriowell, it's running right now on your phone, and it's managing the audio23:51
deepyI don't see all the OSS hate23:51
deepyRAAAARGH23:51
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keriowat23:52
deepyCan I switch it for OSS?23:52
keriodeepy: nah, everything expects pulseaudio to be there23:52
deepySilliness aside, I'm just not really a big fan of pulseaudio23:52
kerionobody is23:52
deepyI've seen some people drool23:52
deepyoh yeah, my phone isn't starting now23:52
kerioD:23:53
keriowhat have you done?23:53
deepyI installed CSSU23:53
keriohrmpf23:53
keriowhich one?23:53
deepystable23:53
keriooh23:53
keriofollowing the instructions and all that?23:53
kerioweird23:53
deepyyes23:53
deepyit was after the last step when it rebooted23:53
keriodeepy: #maemo-ssu23:53
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