IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2012-08-14

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DocScrutinizer05teotwaki:00:37
DocScrutinizer05[2012-08-13 21:11:10] <teotwaki_> ~ping00:37
DocScrutinizer05[2012-08-13 21:11:10] <infobot> ~pong00:37
DocScrutinizer05[2012-08-13 21:11:11] <teotwaki_> ~ping00:37
DocScrutinizer05[2012-08-13 21:11:13] <teotwaki_> ~ping00:37
DocScrutinizer05[2012-08-13 21:11:22] <teotwaki_> ah, finally00:37
DocScrutinizer05[2012-08-13 21:11:25] <teotwaki_> that was a long lag.00:39
DocScrutinizer05yep, the question is; where?00:39
DocScrutinizer05or just http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-08-13.log.html#t2012-08-13T22:11:0900:41
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DocScrutinizer05infobot: botsnack00:42
infobotthanks, DocScrutinizer0500:42
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DocScrutinizer05wtf?00:43
DocScrutinizer05aaah, povbot missing in the list00:43
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DocScrutinizer05(for those wondering: my IRC client sorts userlist by "+o, +v, <others>"00:45
DocScrutinizer05)00:46
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DocScrutinizer05quite convenient on #freenode as well as watching 'official' bots here00:47
DocScrutinizer05as well as *for*00:47
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zsolt_hunhi there01:25
trumeechannel been a bit low today01:25
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zsolt_hunhow is it possible to extract initrd and  vmlinuz from maemo n900 package?01:26
trumeeis there any utility to test microsd speed on N900?01:26
DocScrutinizer05low?01:32
trumeetraffic01:32
DocScrutinizer05zsolt_hun: you'll have a hard time extracting initrd from maemo501:32
zsolt_huni need a initrd and vmlinuz for debian that is compatible with my n90001:33
DocScrutinizer05too bad01:33
DocScrutinizer05and what makes you think you'll find such initrd in maemo5?01:34
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DocScrutinizer05~ # cat /proc/mtd01:35
DocScrutinizer05~ # less -f /dev/mtd4ro01:36
zsolt_hunthank you very much01:37
DocScrutinizer05no sarcasm please! I demonstrated you how to learn there's no initrd in maemo501:42
DocScrutinizer05a real hacker would've answered "not at all" - if anything01:43
DocScrutinizer05~question01:43
infobotquestion is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html01:43
zsolt_hunyou are right01:45
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DocScrutinizer05you even learnt there's an unused partition on N900 you could use for doing awesome 1337 stuff01:51
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DocScrutinizer05sorry I wasn't able to deliver a receipe how to create a proper initrd from easy-debian01:52
DocScrutinizer05(not that I rhink this could be done at all)01:53
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DocScrutinizer51anyway neither maemo5 nor mer nor meego nor nitdroid needs an initrd for all I know. why would you?02:03
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* DocScrutinizer05 is temped to check wikipedia initrd to find "a dirty halfarsed hack to speed up system boot. obsoleted by modified suspend-to-disk schemes"02:14
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nox-i thought the main reason for initrds was linux bootloaders couldnt preload modules individually?02:21
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DocScrutinizer05that's what monolithic kernels were made for02:29
DocScrutinizer05but yes, before initrd came, you needed to build a kernel with monolithic modules for your rootfs and graca and whatnot else02:30
nox-yeah02:30
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DocScrutinizer05luckily our variance in hw configs is rather limited in embedded02:31
nox-i guess02:31
DocScrutinizer05so no use in 'latebinding' kernel with modules needed for booting02:32
DocScrutinizer05we can already ship right kernel "from factory"02:32
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nox-so there zsolt has why n900 has no initrd02:33
nox-and he left02:34
DocScrutinizer05nowadays bootloaders are able to load not only initrd but complete full fledged system RAM images from HDD02:34
DocScrutinizer05called resume-from-HDD02:34
DocScrutinizer05afaik windoze never gets booted nowadays, only "resumed" from a master suspended image02:36
DocScrutinizer05probably it also would be faster to "swap in" 250MB from a r/o swap partition rather than initialize maemo each time again02:38
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DocScrutinizer05boot once, "suspend to disk", copy that "swap" to a r/o file, and resume from that, then immediately "reswap" to proper r/w swap partition02:41
DocScrutinizer05no rocketscience02:43
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kguAny of you guys using digsby?02:50
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ShadowJK32 days uptime on n90005:01
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ShadowJKif I get to 60 I'll consider my last tweak having fixed the occasional I/O deadlocks that have put upper limits on system stability before05:02
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: well, I'm absolutely sure I've seen uptimes >100 days on N900, so what exactly are the triggers for those instabilities?07:29
DocScrutinizer05~ $ uptime07:30
DocScrutinizer05 06:40:04 up 136 days,  7:35, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.0007:30
DocScrutinizer05~ $ uname -a07:30
DocScrutinizer05Linux t900 2.6.28.10power46 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 12 03:11:24 EET 2010 armv7l unknown07:30
jpinxI didn't record the uptime - but one of my n900's was up for about 6 months without break07:46
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: I/O locking the system for long enough for the watchdog to bite?08:04
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DocScrutinizer05never seen that happen on mine08:04
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keriois there a way to do a file copy with a speed meter?08:06
DocScrutinizer05particularly watchdog never kicked in, even when I managed to run system into massive swaphell where it took literally hours to recover from increasing deadlock08:06
DocScrutinizer05speed meter?08:06
DocScrutinizer05use dd if you want speed meter08:06
DocScrutinizer05or mc08:06
DocScrutinizer05or rsync08:07
keriodd only shows the speed meter at the end, if you don't sigusr1 it repeatedly08:07
DocScrutinizer05yep08:07
DocScrutinizer05you haven08:08
DocScrutinizer05't08:08
DocScrutinizer05specified what kind of speedmeneter you want at all08:08
DocScrutinizer05there's even -v on cp08:08
DocScrutinizer05and then there's iotop, or iostat or whatever it's called08:09
keriomeh, emmc->emmc speeds vary wildly during the copy08:10
DocScrutinizer05there's a dedicated bytecounter for pipes, like cat foo|meter|cat >dest08:10
kerioi hope you mean meter <foo >dest08:12
kerio>:(08:12
keriohmm, emmc->usd speeds are a bit higher08:14
keriobut they still drop after a bit08:14
keriomeh :c08:14
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DocScrutinizer05honestly, I dunno about any progress bar thingie. All I ever need is (in) mc, dd, and zenity08:26
Maceri remember long ago mv and cp having a progress bar or % thing08:27
DocScrutinizer05oh?08:28
DocScrutinizer05maybe on msdos08:28
DocScrutinizer05;-P08:29
Macerheh08:29
DocScrutinizer05rsync seems to do what you want08:29
Macerno ;)08:29
MacerDocScrutinizer05: yeah i guess but the cp/mv in slackware a decade ago had it integrated08:30
Maceri mean it wasn't a dealbreaker but still... i thought it was a nice thing to have08:30
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DocScrutinizer05doesn't sound like linux/unix08:31
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DocScrutinizer05maybe some builtin in some weird messybox-alike shell08:31
Macerpossibly08:32
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joga(didn't read whole buffer) you can pipe stuff through 'pv' to get a progress bar08:32
joganot sure if it was in the repos though :)08:33
DocScrutinizer05pv :-) thanks joga08:33
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DocScrutinizer05though that seems not exactly a standard unix-tool08:34
DocScrutinizer05not even on my desktop08:34
jogayeah I guess08:34
jogahttp://www.ivarch.com/programs/pv.shtml08:34
jogawhen I once found such exists I kinda wished it or something similar was part of the core utils08:35
DocScrutinizer05I guess wc could use some more modes08:37
DocScrutinizer05well, no PC will get touched by me that has not either MC or at least NC08:38
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DocScrutinizer05mc as much a standard as is bash, in my book ;-)08:40
jogaI never really got used to using stuff like mc08:41
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DocScrutinizer05well, mc isn't that useful when you're not used to it08:49
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DocScrutinizer05if however you're used to mc, it's faster than cmdline, by far08:50
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DocScrutinizer05I admit it's not THAT useful on tiny screen like N90008:53
DocScrutinizer05you need a certain minimum display size to use it08:53
jogaI guess I've been stuck with using the command line for most stuff since I used to use symbian putty to access the shell and the terminal size issues sometimes mean that progs crash or refuse to start etc08:55
jogabut I've sometimes checked some ncurses file managers etc, but haven't bothered to learn them so it would be faster to use for me08:56
jogashould I do that though, I guess I would learn the most common one08:58
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DocScrutinizer05so mc :-)09:14
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jogaDocScrutinizer05 yeah, well, it's what I've probably used the most (or nc in dos), which isn't much :)09:22
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jpinxWhen I download usb-network-modules.deb and try to install manually I get "Unable to install 'usb-network-modules'. -- Incompatible application package."  What am I doing wrong?11:48
jpinxI got the same when trying to install open ssh  :(11:49
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timo^I'm trying to install Ubuntu 12.04 on a 16GB uSD card. When I try to start it with Uboot it gives the error 'Wrong ramdisk format' and I'm dropped in a shell...13:25
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keriotimo^: i think the ramdisk format isn't the right one13:48
timo^and how do I change it? :)13:52
keriobeats me13:53
keriowhy do you even want to install ubuntu 12.04 on your n900?13:53
kerioubuntu dropped armel support since 9.1013:53
timo^just for fun :P13:53
timo^(now I have Meego, 'cause Ubuntu didn't work ;) )13:53
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DocScrutinizer51jpinx: use armel packages, not x8614:13
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vi_zeq: ping14:17
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DocScrutinizer51hi vi_14:19
DocScrutinizer51got your git?14:19
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer; heavy read/write load to emmc, home and swap simultaneously14:23
ShadowJKiirc this deadlock never triggered for me with just heavy swapping14:24
DocScrutinizer51hmmmm14:24
ShadowJKbut for example downloading stuff with gpodder and opening a heavy web page would often be the trigger for me, but only after weeks of uptime14:24
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ShadowJKthe device actually in best situation doesn't become totally unresponsive, just that only stuff in ram works14:25
ShadowJKso if you accidentally trigger wm or h-d to try fault in a page not in ram, device becomes practically unusable14:26
DocScrutinizer51yeah14:27
ShadowJKand recovery then consists of holding powerbutton which triggers shutdown, which stalls, then watchdog resets device14:27
DocScrutinizer51flash in microb can do this14:27
ShadowJKNote that when all this happens, it's not because I/O is swamping system, I/O stalls. The queues are full, but the i/o devices sit idle doing nothing.14:28
DocScrutinizer51meh14:29
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ShadowJKiirc this article, of all unlikely places, was what made me try slice_idle=0: http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH6886314:31
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zobi8225hi do you continue tu use matchbox for your WM ?15:38
zobi8225is it a good WM ?15:39
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kerioShadowJK: what's slice_idle?15:43
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kerioShadowJK: so... what are your fixes regarding I/O speed and stability?18:01
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sLumPiahi guys, i have a question. i just reflashed my phone and installed thumb218:43
sLumPiais it okay if i also install kernel power?18:43
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sLumPiaor i should install kernel power first, then thumb218:44
sLumPia?18:44
keriosLumPia: if you followed the TMO thread, then you already have something very similar to KP51r118:45
keriokernel-cssu is really just a rebrand of kernel-power18:45
kerioif you want to, you can just install kernel-power-flasher, as usual18:45
kerioalthough i would remove kernel-cssu*18:45
keriootherwise you'll use a lot of space on your rootfs, for the modules18:45
sLumPiakerio: i read the thread, but can't find the answer.18:46
sLumPiaok, so i want to overclock my phone to 805, just like what i do with kp18:47
sLumPiahow can i oc my n900 with thumb?18:47
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keriokernel-power-settings should still work18:48
keriobut as i told you, you can install kernel-power if you want18:48
kerioKP51r1 has the thumb2 errata fix18:48
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sLumPiaso let me get this straight. i should just: 1. remove kernel-cssu (from ham)18:51
sLumPia2. install kernel-power-flasher18:51
sLumPia?18:51
kerioperhaps you shouldn't overclock at all18:53
kerionot to be insulting or anything, but it *is* somewhat of an advanced topic18:53
kerioand understanding how to overclock with cssu-thumb kinda requires to know, in general, how the n900's kernel works18:53
kerioat least from an user's perspective18:53
sLumPiakerio: np. i just install kernel-power-settings and load dsp profile18:53
keriojust install kernel-power-settings18:54
kerioyep18:54
kerioit should work - it's the same kernel, after all18:54
sLumPiaas you said, it work with kernel-cssu18:54
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sLumPiai never really follow up thumb discussion before, so i got a little confuse18:55
sLumPiathanks for the advice18:56
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DocScrutinizer51I just wonder whyyou still need to torture your device by OC, when you got lightning fast thumb219:59
DocScrutinizer51no matter what I'm running, no matter how slow or fast it feels, OC is a must, as it's 133720:00
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ShadowJKkerio; nr_request > 2000, slice_idle=0, min_free-kbytes=409620:02
keriohm, i have nr_requests at 8192, is it too much?20:02
ShadowJKno20:03
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MrPinguDocScrutinizer05, for 720p recording / playback you defenitely need OC20:14
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MrPinguThat's the only reason when I OC, rest of the time I always cap it at 600mhz20:15
keriowhy the hell do you need 720p playback?20:18
kerioyou don't even *have* 720 lines20:18
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SpeedEvilYou do in portrait.20:24
trxlol20:30
keriobut then you don't have 1280 columns!20:31
MrPinguBecause I recorded in 720p20:32
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MrPinguThe rest of my movies I convert to 800x480, don't worry20:32
keriowell, see what your recording brought us? D:20:32
MrPinguBetter quality?20:33
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MrPinguIs there an easy way/command to list all packages in extras-devel including versionnumber?21:24
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x29aMrPingu: like http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ ?21:37
micknameHey, is there any sensible way to get some kind of push-notifications on n900?21:40
x29amickname: notification of what?21:43
micknamei want a system like irssinotify on android21:43
micknamebasically custom notifications of remote events21:43
micknamewithout polling every few minutes21:43
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MrPinguX29a: Yes something like that but not divided in pages...21:44
x29ahttp://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/21:45
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MrPinguIs there now any way to the directorytree in a textfile?21:57
x29amind telling your intentions?22:00
x29amight be easier this way22:01
MrPinguhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82374&page=522:03
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MrPinguSorting out all devel applications which have decent quality so they can get in the end to extras repo22:04
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ZogG_laptopMrPingu: ping23:03
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MrPinguZogG_laptop: pong23:28
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MrPinguZogg_laptop: ping23:58
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