IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-08-08

ShadowJKreceived two calls (unanswered, but vibra on, and screen prolly came on)00:00
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keriothat's very little! ^_^00:00
ShadowJKhm, but that only works out to 6 days standby with japod battery00:01
keriowell boo hoo00:01
keriouse two scuds00:01
kerioand suspend to ram, maybe00:01
kerioalthough the radio is the big power draw00:01
ShadowJKwell, 12 days in offline mode00:02
kerioshouldn't it be a lot more, with suspend-to-ram?00:02
ShadowJKit's like 99.99% str anyway?00:02
keriohm00:02
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keriogood point00:03
ShadowJKI mean C4 is essentially suspend to ram00:03
kerioalthough not really00:03
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kerioi mean, the watchdog wants something every 30 seconds or so00:03
keriodoesn't it00:03
ShadowJKi guess00:03
vi__suspend to ram==no fone calls00:04
kerionah, if you're not in offline mode it doesn't even work00:04
keriobecause the phone keeps waking the system up00:05
vi__wut are you even babbling on about?00:07
keriotry it00:07
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DocScrutinizer05vi__: kerio is correct, unsol response (e.g. signal strength report) swill wake up OMAP all the time00:10
DocScrutinizer05unsol result?00:10
kerioinfobot: kerio is <DocScrutinizer> [...] kerio is correct [...]00:11
infobotokay, kerio00:11
kerio=D00:12
DocScrutinizer05now lock it, fool! ;-P00:12
DocScrutinizer05or vi__ will redefine it00:12
kerioinfobot: lock kerio00:12
infobotkerio: locking factoid kerio00:12
kerio:D00:12
keriocan't it be unlocked?00:12
DocScrutinizer05by you, yes00:13
DocScrutinizer05by me too ;-P00:13
keriooh :c00:13
DocScrutinizer05by anyone who grabs your nick00:13
kerionickserv enforce is *on*, bitchez00:13
kerio...at least, i think00:13
kerioyep, it is00:13
DocScrutinizer05~+help lock00:14
infobot   Desc: Factoid locking to prevent removal by others00:14
infobot  Usage: lock <factoid>00:14
infobotExample: lock abuse00:14
infobot   NOTE: By default, only registered "ops" on the bots or factoids matching the user's nick are able to lock factoids.00:14
infobot   NOTE: Requires factoid extension (extra) support enabled.00:14
kerioi see00:14
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keriooh well, Rodney has ??kerio as a redirect to ??troll00:14
kerio(nethack informations bot)00:15
DocScrutinizer05~abuse00:15
DocScrutinizer05LOL00:16
DocScrutinizer05~abuse is running a OS from Redmond on a decent hardware platform00:16
* infobot smacks is running a OS from Redmond on a decent hardware platform across the face. "Take that, sucker!"00:17
DocScrutinizer05FU bot!00:17
keriohaha00:17
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kerio~abuse DocScrutinizer0500:17
* infobot smacks DocScrutinizer05 across the face. "Take that, sucker!"00:17
DocScrutinizer05~useless00:17
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :(00:17
kerioaww :(00:17
kerio~botsnack00:17
infobotkerio: thanks00:17
DocScrutinizer05why tf is a CMD overriding a factoid definition?00:18
kerioinfobot: lock is cheese00:18
keriobecause of this ^00:18
DocScrutinizer05there are CMDs and commands ;-)00:19
DocScrutinizer05~help abuse00:19
keriok00:19
DocScrutinizer05~+help abuse00:19
infobotno help on abuse.  Use 'help' without arguments.00:19
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DocScrutinizer05~+help lock00:19
infobot   Desc: Factoid locking to prevent removal by others00:19
infobot  Usage: lock <factoid>00:19
infobotExample: lock abuse00:19
infobot   NOTE: By default, only registered "ops" on the bots or factoids matching the user's nick are able to lock factoids.00:19
infobot   NOTE: Requires factoid extension (extra) support enabled.00:19
kerioi see00:19
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys abuse00:19
infobotFactoid search of 'abuse' by key (19 of 27): macroabuse ;; jim abuse ;; floppy abuse ;; buttabuse #DEL# ;; macroabuse #DEL# ;; abuse me ;; abuse $nick ;; dictabuse #DEL# ;; dcc abuse ;; userabuse ;; idiotabuse ;; channel abuse ;; bot abuse ;; dictabuse ;; abusestats ;; guruabuse ;; abused ;; security abuse ;; giveabuse.00:19
kerio~abuse me00:20
* infobot smacks kerio across the face. "Take that, sucker!"00:20
DocScrutinizer05meh00:20
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys abuse00:20
infobotFactoid search of 'abuse' by key (18 of 27): channel abuse ;; security abuse ;; guruabuse ;; idiotabuse ;; mongoose abuse ;; buttabuse #DEL# ;; abusers ;; abuse me ;; macroabuse #DEL# ;; dcc abuse ;; floppy abuse ;; jim abuse ;; abuse #DEL# ;; bot abuse ;; cmd: abuse (.*?) ;; abuse fender ;; abusestats ;; abused.00:20
kerio...i really don't know what i was expecting00:20
kerios/i was/was i/00:20
infobotkerio meant: ...i really don't know what was i expecting00:20
DocScrutinizer05~literal cmd: abuse (.*?)00:20
infobot"cmd: abuse (.*?)" is "($hans): <action> smacks $hans across the face. "Take that, sucker!""00:20
vi__~unlock kerio00:21
vi__~forget kerio00:21
keriovi__: u mad bro00:21
infobotcannot alter locked factoids, vi__00:21
keriowhy so mad bro00:21
vi__~keri0 is a noobor00:22
infobotvi__: okay00:22
vi__~keri0 is a jarjar binks00:22
infobot...but keri0 is already something else...00:22
vi__~forget keri000:22
infoboti forgot keri0, vi__00:22
vi__~keri0 is a jarjar binks00:22
infobotokay, vi__00:22
vi__~buttabuse kerio00:23
vi__~floppyabuse kerio00:23
infobotvi_ STFU!00:23
kerioinfobot: <300:23
infobotI love you. <300:23
vi__~rape infobot00:23
* infobot takes infobot behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams00:23
vi__~rape an alpaca00:24
* infobot takes an alpaca behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams00:24
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vi__DocScrutinizer05: your killing all fun00:26
DocScrutinizer05fun is an entity00:26
kerio~fun is an entity00:26
infobot...but fun is already something else...00:26
keriooh, ok then00:26
DocScrutinizer05kerio: please stop messing with bot as well00:27
keriok00:27
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vi__yo fmg00:43
vi__hows it hangin?00:43
freemangordonvi_: hi00:43
vi__lol and lazy I trust.00:43
freemangordonyeah :)00:43
vi__S/lol/low00:44
freemangordonvi_: and what's up?00:44
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freemangordon~seen zeq00:47
infobotzeq <~s_j_newbu@178.110.126.62> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 5h 13m 52s ago, saying: 'kerio: probably "kernel-feature-sigmask-syscalls" would be more accurate, but I'm open to suggestions.'.00:47
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DocScrutinizer05friggin bain-defunct plasma desktop02:50
DocScrutinizer05brain even02:50
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: wtf is this: http://www.totobay.com/original-uem-ic-for-nokia-x3-x6-7230-n900-e72-4376047_p25848.html03:40
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robbiethe1stCharger chip/DC converter , apparently03:49
robbiethe1stalso, looks like it has something to do with storing the IMEI number03:49
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Creteilfreemangordon, are you up ?04:08
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DocScrutinizer05robbiethe1st: huh? well when it's charger chip it should probably be bq24150(a)04:10
DocScrutinizer05robbiethe1st: but how's that related to IMEI?04:10
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DocScrutinizer05if only those ***** in China would be able to read the chip name from one of the chips. Is this really THAT hard to google for those three lines of 7987saf9798704:12
DocScrutinizer05I'd do it if only I could read anything in that crappy photo they provide04:13
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RST38hHey, Doc, how is suffering tonight?04:21
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jpinxDocScrutinizer05: does this help? http://szedtech.en.alibaba.com/viewimg/picture.html?picture=http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v1/51517839/Mobile_Phone_ic_chip_for_371_Uem.jpg04:28
DocScrutinizer05N220004:28
DocScrutinizer05aka GAZOO, the GAIA of BB504:29
DocScrutinizer05RST38h: just as usual ;-D04:31
DocScrutinizer05jpinx: alas not, it seems this chip is not the same as in http://www.totobay.com/original-uem-ic-for-nokia-x3-x6-7230-n900-e72-4376047_p25848.html04:32
DocScrutinizer05jpinx: thanks anyway04:32
DocScrutinizer05:-)04:33
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jpinxnp - I was borwsing for something else and came across it. I'm looking for a solution for a chinese Nokia C6 dualsim phone04:34
jpinxcharging issues again ;)04:34
jpinxnot c6 - brainfart - it's a C3-0004:35
DocScrutinizer05anyway robbiethe1st was obviously right, just wonder how he managed that so fast04:35
jpinxnot called ...thefirst without reason ;)04:36
DocScrutinizer05and I'm still musing about that comment regarding IMEI - might actually be possible04:36
robbiethe1stDocScrutinizer, Google04:42
robbiethe1stMy extended brain.04:42
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DocScrutinizer05amazing how you find such detail from a TLA04:45
DocScrutinizer05I guess UEM will yield ~4 billion hits04:46
DocScrutinizer05or is the chip label actually in the URL :-O04:47
DocScrutinizer05dafaq indeed, 437604704:47
DocScrutinizer05but I can't confirm the IMEI stuff04:48
DocScrutinizer05it has just the SIM interface04:49
DocScrutinizer05no real indication anything beyond that regarding logic is in that chip04:49
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DocScrutinizer05not that it was impossible04:50
robbiethe1stActually, all I found was a reference to replacing the chip to change your IMEI number04:51
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DocScrutinizer05DUH05:00
DocScrutinizer05link?05:00
DocScrutinizer05meh, I just found out that gibberish in second line on the chip actually reads "GAZOO346" or maybe G05:01
DocScrutinizer05instead the trailing 605:01
DocScrutinizer05or 005:01
LaoLang_coolI should not try nemo, it has broken my sd card :(05:02
LaoLang_cooljust 1 hr's tring05:02
LaoLang_cooltrying05:02
DocScrutinizer05lol05:02
DocScrutinizer05there's indeed a known bug in MMC driver that has potential to kill some specific brand/build of uSD05:03
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DocScrutinizer05thought they should've included it in nemo since ages05:04
LaoLang_coolI should install nemo in emmc, not in sd card05:04
DocScrutinizer05you should NOT risk the hard-to-replace eMMC. Better get a decent uSD05:08
DocScrutinizer05other than killing uSD, how's nemo now?05:08
LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer05, what is uSD?05:10
robbiethe1stmicro SD05:10
LaoLang_cooloh05:10
robbiethe1stAnd with an 8GB card around $10-15...05:10
robbiethe1stcheap.05:10
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DocScrutinizer05<robbiethe1st> Actually, all I found was a reference to replacing the chip to change your IMEI number)) I guess that's been a russian site, since I seem to have checked all english refs to 437604705:13
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DocScrutinizer05what I can't hrok is how this GAZOO power regulator is doing its job without a single choke05:21
robbiethe1stDocScrutinizer, http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/archive/t-111133.html was what I found - googled for "UEM ic"05:23
robbiethe1stAlso, GAZOO power regulator? ??05:23
DocScrutinizer05that's what I gathered, yes05:23
robbiethe1stCould it be a built-in one?05:24
DocScrutinizer05seems it's more like power amp or whatever05:24
robbiethe1stEither that, or just one attached to the circuit outside like usual?05:24
DocScrutinizer05it does battery monitor/management/charging (though latter disabled), it has a 32kHz crystal, it does audio (though again mostly disabled ?), and I see TXData05:26
DocScrutinizer05and a lot to VAPAUS whatever that is05:26
robbiethe1sthuh05:27
DocScrutinizer05Vbat(vibra|ana|digi|SIM|LED...)05:27
DocScrutinizer05VAPAUS is the RF power amp05:30
DocScrutinizer05actually the synthesis05:31
DocScrutinizer05and AURA is the DC/DC converter05:31
DocScrutinizer05so it's quite unclear what this monsterchip does in the end05:32
DocScrutinizer05anyway it does TXC(ontrol?) and AFC for VAPAUS05:34
DocScrutinizer05pretty much 3/4 of GAZOO functions are unused and NotConnected. Nevertheless this chip *might* be responsible for the notorious GSM breakdown failure ("No SIM")05:52
DocScrutinizer05robbiethe1st: GAZOO _controls_ the power regulators, resp provides reference voltages05:53
DocScrutinizer05it's quite funny we use ~20% of the audio amps that are hanging around here and there in N90005:54
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DocScrutinizer05I'd already bet GAZOO has not only kbd interface like GAIA, but maybe actually even LCD interface too - of course all unused (vibra, LED, ¿kbd?, ¿display?, ear-audio, PMA[udio])05:57
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: swap GAZOO for trying to fix GSM-failure "No SIM" ? ^^^05:58
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: ^^^05:58
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psychologehello ,has a question,i install power-kernel51 and batterypatch,set minfreq=125 maxfreq=805,,when my phone standby,i use conky view ,the CPU frequency sometime 125,sometime 805,,,how let N900 standby on 125Mhz always?09:59
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psychologehas somebody?10:04
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psychologeinfobot, he10:10
infobotit has been said that he is not, or gay10:10
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jonwil~seen pali11:59
infobotpali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 5d 1h 44m 14s ago, saying: 'jonwil has some more info about format'.11:59
jon_yhope pali is alright12:01
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ShadowJKstandby is usually 0MHz, zero. But sometimes just running conky bumps frequency to max for the short duration when conky is collecting data16:12
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ShadowJKIt would be more sensible for such apps to look at the long term statistics instead of current instantaneous frequency16:14
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HurrianShadowJK, but ondemand ramps CPU to highest OPP usable when any load appears16:19
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ShadowJKthat's what I said? :P16:22
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Lava_CroftI dont know whats up withe MWKN16:40
Lava_CroftBut clicking the links in Google Reader brings up a login window16:41
Lava_CroftA bit odd16:41
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keriogoddammit, does the file picker work for anyone, in microB?16:51
Lava_CroftNice, it MWKN links seems to be fixed now16:55
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Wizzup_What browser do you guys use on the n900?17:07
keriomicrob17:08
Wizzup_I used to use fennec, but it was just too slow, and opera seems to do quite well17:09
Wizzup_just wondering if there were better browsers out there17:09
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keriofennec with thumb is usable17:10
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conredinstalled fennec 17 right away and it is realy quite usable, thanks for the tip :)17:20
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narcosHi all. Could someone give me advice getting the ISC dhcrelay on my N900?17:37
narcosIt comes with the package dhcp3-relay on other systems17:43
merlin1991why do you need a dhcp relay? but in general, if it doesn't exist already in extras (-devel) grab the source and build it17:51
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narcosmerlin1991: Setting n900 up as a hotspot, and want to relay dhcp requests to another server.17:53
narcosmerlin1991: To add the -devel repo, should I add the following line to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list  :17:54
narcosdeb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free17:54
narcos?17:54
merlin1991to add -devel properly add it inside hildon application manager17:54
merlin1991but the lines are right17:54
merlin1991though there is no dhcp3-relay package in extras-devel17:55
narcosahhhh17:55
narcosSo, grab source and compile, you say?17:55
merlin1991but when you do a hotspot you could ie route the traffic through the n900 using masquerade in postrouting and just run your own dhcp server on the n900 with dnsmasq17:55
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merlin1991or use one of the tools in extras like qt-mobilehotspot that does all that for you17:56
narcosI don't think it can act as a dhcp-relay17:56
merlin1991why do you need the dhcp relay for a hotspot usecase?17:57
merlin1991internet <> n900 (masquerading everthing behind <> hotspot clients17:57
narcosI want to relay DHCP requests to another server.17:57
merlin1991the question is not what but *why* :D17:58
narcosmerlin1991: I'm using multiple maemo devices like so: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XFKd0RWC17:58
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narcosIf I want to monitor traffic on the server to a level of IP address:traffic, I need to know which IP belongs to which MAC17:58
narcosIf I handle DHCP on the AP, I can't easily do that17:59
merlin1991oh now I know why, you need valid addreses after the ap18:00
merlin1991well in this case grab the debian source (should be closest to maemo) and build it in scratchbox18:00
narcosAh, scratchbox, I meddled with that a while back, and didn't get very far18:01
merlin1991you can ask me about scratchbox when you run into problems :)18:02
narcosheh, ok, thanks :)18:02
narcosmerlin1991: Another q - dnsmasq seems to be running on my device, and each time I kill its process it restarts. Any idea how to track down what's restarting it?18:06
merlin1991probably dsme18:08
merlin1991narcos: dnsmasq is always running on a n90018:08
merlin1991check your resolv.conf ;)18:08
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narcosEr, I've already butchered my resolv.conf to suite my purposes :)18:09
narcosmerlin1991: How can I stop it, or edit the config?18:09
narcosmerlin1991: I'm trying to setup dhcp server with it via: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5821318:10
narcosi.e., I don't currently have the stomach for compiling code in scratchbox - I'm going to run a local dhcp server and upload lease files18:10
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merlin1991phew, no idea who exactly starts dnsmasq, you'd have to check the init scripts, but I bet it's started via dsmetool somewehre18:14
narcosHmm ok, lemme dig around18:16
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narcosk sorted, problem was PEBKAC18:19
merlin1991PEBKAC?18:19
narcosProblem Existed Between Keyboard and Chair18:20
narcosi.e. me18:20
merlin1991ah :D18:20
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narcosHmm, dnsmasq hands out IPs, but /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases is empty18:21
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vi_~seen your anus18:23
infobotvi_: i haven't seen 'your anus'18:24
vi_lol18:24
narcosLOL18:24
narcos~seen anything'. But thanks for asking, moron.18:24
infobotnarcos: i haven't seen 'anything'. but thanks for asking, moron.'18:24
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narcosPoort attempt at sqli18:25
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Shapeshifterjeez some stock features on the n900 are just terrible18:57
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narcosHmm, where is the PATH variable defined on maemo18:58
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njsfAnyone knows how to stop the "low battery" reboot loop on the N90020:19
njsf?20:19
njsfI have it plugged for almost a day now looping on reboot after the battery was drained20:20
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njsfPlugged on the wall adapter mind you, not usb cable20:20
ShadowJKConsidering the number of such cases lately, and the average of N900s now, I'm starting to suspect it can't cope with aged batteries20:23
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SpeedEvilold batteries can cause weird problems.20:31
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SpeedEviland batteries bought at device purchase time will be old now.20:32
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luke-jrnjsf: same problem here20:37
luke-jrSpeedEvil: even if the device wasn't used?20:37
ShadowJKyeah, all my originals reached my own "junk" threshold in year and half or so20:37
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luke-jrSpeedEvil: I replaced mine with a "I got an iPhone so I never used my N900" battery20:37
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luke-jrand it still does weird crap20:37
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ShadowJKunused device with battery installed probably would reach my own "junk" threshold in 6 months or less20:38
luke-jrouch, really?20:38
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luke-jris this Mugen extended battery trustworthy?20:39
SpeedEvilI have a 3yo battery which is in near new condition.20:40
Woody14619ShadowJK: For future reference, anytime anyone sees 125Mhz these days, 99.9% chance they are running batterypatch/speedpatch.  It forces over/under clock.20:40
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SpeedEvilbut it has been charged to 40% and in the freezer for most of that20:41
Woody14619The only way to get that is by installing one of Titan's old kernels, by hand-tweeking it yourself with KP, or installing crap-patches.20:41
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Woody14619luke-jr, if you're battery shopping, there's a good thread on TMO with links to the best places.20:42
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ShadowJKluke-jr; no20:43
Wizzup_conred: where did you get fennec 17 from? I didn't know there were recent n900 builds20:43
ShadowJKluke-jr; it's pointless20:44
ShadowJKwell the 2400mAh one is indeed 2400, but people consider it expensive20:44
luke-jrShadowJK: well, I was thinking I need a new battery door anyway..20:44
luke-jrthe original "latches" break off too easily20:44
Woody14619Well, Mugen is the largest commercially produced battery for the N900.  And the new back is actually kind of nice.20:45
conredWizzup_:fennec 17 is in the thumb repository, check the cssu-thumb thread at tmo20:45
Woody14619But you can make a dual-scud for half the price and just order a cover on your own most times. :)20:45
ShadowJKjapod from dealextrem that I got turned out to be 1440 mAh20:46
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* Woody14619 nods... Mine was too. That's what I use in my day to day.20:46
luke-jrI can't find a TMO thread on batteries20:46
Woody14619on sec.20:46
luke-jrShadowJK: so the 2400 Mugen should work reasonably?20:46
ShadowJKi think they've (mugen) gotten alot stricter about people ordering just the cover20:46
Woody14619luke-jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6556820:47
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ShadowJKI had to adjust the pins on mine slightly with a needle20:47
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Woody14619luke-jr: My understanding is that the battery is ok, just way over priced.  May be worth it to get the custom cover legitly though...20:48
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conredWizzup_: talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8482920:48
Wizzup_I am looking at that atm, I didn't know about this20:48
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luke-jrWoody14619: considering I paid only $200 for a like-new N900 (but apparently dud battery), $100 for a good battery doesn't seem too unreasonable20:49
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Woody14619True.  Let me guess, from ebay/China "cellphoneforever"?  Picked up a second N900 from there a bit ago myself to help with testing.  Turned into the day to day for my SO in a week though. ;)20:51
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luke-jrotoh, seeing some of these "mere replacements" for $7…20:51
luke-jrWoody14619: no, CraigsList20:51
Wizzup_conred: That is pretty awesome! I should probably try that in a bit20:51
luke-jrWoody14619: I picked it up in person with cash :P20:51
Woody14619Oh... Nice... Probably better off from there.  The ebay ones are refurbs, but frankly not in bad condition most times.  But it can be a craps shoot.20:52
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Wizzup_conred: ah, and the robots.txt has disallow all, that's why I didn't find it via google20:52
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Lava_Croftmugen cover lacks a camera lens hatch21:30
Lava_Crofti have one too, i dont use it21:30
Lava_Crofti just carry around 4 BL5J's21:30
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trumeeDocScrutinizer05: is this the latest script to find charging current? http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail221:39
DocScrutinizer05yep, I hope so21:39
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trumeeDocScrutinizer05: what is the charging current, http://pastie.org/4413436 ?21:41
DocScrutinizer05trumee: please use http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail221:41
trumeeDocScrutinizer05: here you go, http://pastie.org/441344921:43
trumeeDocScrutinizer05: AI Average Current High is what i should be reading?21:43
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DocScrutinizer05trumee: why you do that cmdline magic? IIRC I wrote bq27k-detail2 to avoid any need for that21:44
trumeeDocScrutinizer05: ah, i was only following the wiki21:44
trumeeDocScrutinizer05: ok last time, http://pastie.org/441346421:45
DocScrutinizer05do those differ?21:46
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trumeeDocScrutinizer05: AI Average current high reports less than 450mA. I was hoping to get a bigger number connected to the wall charger21:46
DocScrutinizer05I think all should be identical, and yes, iirc it's AI that shows current current21:46
trumeeDocScrutinizer05: dont think they do.21:46
DocScrutinizer05which wiki?21:47
trumeeguess, i should let the battery deplete considerably before testing21:47
DocScrutinizer05URL please, so I can fix that21:47
trumeeDocScrutinizer05: nope, i read the wiki wrong!21:47
DocScrutinizer05for an constant reading/monitoring of just current, I recommend to use shadowjk's script, e.g found here: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27200.sh21:49
DocScrutinizer05less confusing output21:49
DocScrutinizer05bq27200.sh 521:49
trumeeDocScrutinizer05: thanks21:51
njsfI wished that the N900 could just run without battery but plugged in *sigh*21:52
DocScrutinizer05Woody14619: luke-jr: (mugen) or you don't use just 2 scud piggybacked one on the other, and instead *really* use the additional space gained by custom backcover: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120715_003.jpg21:53
DocScrutinizer05njsf: your bootloop?21:53
njsfyes21:53
luke-jrDocScrutinizer05: O.o?21:54
DocScrutinizer05njsf: bootloops *never* charge battery, they ruin it21:54
luke-jrdon't you need the custom backcover to do that ? :P21:54
njsfDocScrutinizer05: so I'm SOL or is there a well know way to stop the loop ?21:54
DocScrutinizer05and instead *really* use the additional space gained by custom backcover:21:54
DocScrutinizer05njsf: when your rootfs is defect and thus bootloops, then you should get an external charger, charge your battery, then reflash21:56
DocScrutinizer05njsf: when your battery causes bootloop, then get a new battery. Yours is worn out21:56
njsfok. I guess I am getting a new battery AND an external charger..21:57
Woody14619Interesting shot Doc, but where did the antennas go?21:57
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njsfthis would have to be a 5800 charger right ?21:57
Woody14619AFAIK the GPS and GSM antennas are in the areas above and to the right of the battery (which that custom mod pic would seem to have removed)21:58
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Woody14619DocScrutinizer05: Because of you can remove those areas while still having those services, that's great.  But I susspect this mod removes (or at least relocates) those to make space.22:00
Woody14619s/of/if/22:01
infobotWoody14619 meant: DocScrutinizer05: Because if you can remove those areas while still having those services, that's great.  But I susspect this mod removes (or at least relocates) those to make space.22:01
njsfSeems like SCUD blue dream is no longer available at aliexpress22:02
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trumeeDocScrutinizer05: i am chopping a male-female usb cable to shor d+ and d- for a dumb charger. There is a wire sheath around the wires, can i chop them off?22:03
DocScrutinizer05Woody14619: sorry, I can't follow22:03
DocScrutinizer05Woody14619: which services?22:03
Woody14619Doc, scroll back...22:03
Woody14619AFAIK the GPS and GSM antennas are in the areas above and to the right of the battery (which that custom mod pic would seem to have removed)22:03
DocScrutinizer05aah22:03
Woody14619It could be that mod relocates them... but still... There's not much wasted space in the N900. :)22:04
DocScrutinizer05well, I might stick those two batteries to a N900 in use, with some stickytape. then see if GPS and GSM still works22:05
DocScrutinizer05actually there's no mod, just a suggestion I arranged by placing 2 batteries on back of N90022:06
DocScrutinizer05GSM antenna anyway is other end of device for all I recall22:08
DocScrutinizer05err nope22:09
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DocScrutinizer05I guess with that size of batteries, you can move them another 5mm towards camera22:12
DocScrutinizer05thus freeing up the antennae22:12
DocScrutinizer05anyway seems you could get ~4.5Ah like that, with mugen backcover22:14
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ShadowJK /me thought gsm/3g antenna was at the "bottom' near headphone and unlock slider22:15
DocScrutinizer05that's where the batteries cover stuff22:16
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120715_004.jpg22:16
DocScrutinizer05but as mentioned seems there's some space left to camera to shift them up a bit, and also each battery itself has ~5mm 'useless' plastic frame that can get removed22:17
trxwhat's bellow? a metal frame?22:18
DocScrutinizer05the cell22:18
DocScrutinizer05so yes, metal22:18
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Woody14619ah... nm DocScrutinizer05.  I see what you're doing now. :)  Missed the part about the Mugen cover.  So you're promoting 3 batteries.. one in standard and two side-ways.23:15
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Woody14619I thought you were suggesting a case mod, to replace the one battery with the two and retain a normal back cover.23:16
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: some people who mustn't be named actually think there's a way to make two 18650 fit in a slightly larger version of the mugen backcover, by shifting things a bit23:35
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ShadowJKSome unnamed persons also want to create a bigger aluminium (iirc) back cover23:40
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DocScrutinizer05aluminium!!!23:43
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DocScrutinizer05I guess with that the batteries are the lesser problem for the antennae23:43
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DocScrutinizer05anyway 18650 iirc means 18mm diameter, 65mm length23:52
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kerioyeah, they're huge23:53
keriobut they also hold an insane amount of power23:53
DocScrutinizer05plus 2mm+ for cover, makes N900 almost as deep as it is high23:53
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DocScrutinizer05definitely you don't need any more kickstand ;-P23:54
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kerioyeah but... 6Ah!23:55
kerio(calibrating that is going to be really painful :D )23:56
jaska"what, you recharge your phone every week?"23:56
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