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| Estel_ | ShadowJK, about charging times - yes, but it's true only for standard bl-5j | 00:05 |
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| Estel_ | because this one, charged @ 1250 get to 4.2 pretty quickly, and charging becomes capped anyway | 00:05 |
| Estel_ | 3Ah batteries benefit for almsot two hourts from 300 mA higher charging current | 00:06 |
| Estel_ | until it gets capped too | 00:06 |
| Estel_ | here it is close to a hour of lower charging time | 00:06 |
| Estel_ | with possible 6,8Ah batteries, it will be gain of 3 hours at least | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | aybe I'll test my mugen too :) | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | good idea | 00:07 |
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| Estel_ | but be sure that mugen have at least 2Ah power now, it ages pretty bad | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | so it's 2,4 Ah might become less than 2, since purchase | 00:07 |
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| Estel_ | ShadowJK, where I may find internal resistance measurement script? | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | I would like to use it on my (already sued for a year or so) dual-scud | 00:08 |
| Estel_ | it's ~2800 mAh now | 00:08 |
| Estel_ | I wonder how well it ages | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 00:08 |
| Estel_ | as per theory it should have super low internal resistance | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | ask SpeedEvil | 00:09 |
| ShadowJK | it might be on his wiki userpage actually | 00:09 |
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| ShadowJK | well about half of a single scud as long as the paralelling connections are good | 00:10 |
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| jacekowski | there is bit more to internal resistance of battery | 00:13 |
| jacekowski | you have electronic resistance and ionic resistance | 00:13 |
| jacekowski | ionic resistance is more of a problem for long term loads | 00:14 |
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| jacekowski | electronic resistance affects both pulse loads and long term loads | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | but using two batteries, ionic resistance should be also halved | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | two ceels* | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | cells* | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, thanks, i'll search on speedEvil pages | 00:15 |
| ShadowJK | ionic resistance is the one I'm more interested in | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | you need fast meter for that | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | well, you need dedicated hardware for that | 00:19 |
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| ShadowJK | well only really interested in long term load | 00:23 |
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| jacekowski | you have electronic resistance and ionic resistance, when battery is offload, ionic resistance is close to 0 and increases as soon as you apply load | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | how much, depends on electrolyte | 00:24 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, if You're interested - like me - on long-term load, it's rather about electrical resistance | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | if I understand jacekowski correctly | 00:25 |
| jacekowski | both | 00:25 |
| jacekowski | pulse load, ionic resistance doesn't matter as it's close to 0 | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | you just said that ionic resistance affect short-term load only? | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | ouh, sorry | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | 23:14 < jacekowski> ionic resistance is more of a problem for long term loads | 00:26 |
| Estel_ | inverted it | 00:26 |
| Estel_ | yea | 00:26 |
| Estel_ | just noticed it | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | let me find the pdf | 00:26 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85793 | 00:26 |
| Estel_ | isn't it a matter of measuring resistance on off-load battery, then, after applying load, and comparing both results? | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 00:27 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: you can't measure battery resistance off load | 00:27 |
| Estel_ | vi_, DocScrutinizer donated without seeing donation thread? | 00:27 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: it has to be on load | 00:27 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: on two different loads | 00:27 |
| Estel_ | huh, understood. I though that off-load it would be purely electrical one | 00:27 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: and you measure voltage on battery terminals when on load X and Y | 00:27 |
| Estel_ | I see | 00:27 |
| Estel_ | and compare it | 00:27 |
| Estel_ | understood | 00:27 |
| Estel_ | low load have less amount of ionic resistance, then? | 00:28 |
| vi__ | Estel_: yes, he is that much of a cool guy. | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | and high load should have more of it? | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | yes | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | while electrical resistance is constant? | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | in short term | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | short as in few seconds/minute,s or short as in few miliseconds? | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | minutes | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | I wonder about measuring it without dedicated HW | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: thanks, looking at it later, busy over at #cssu atm | 00:29 |
| jacekowski | basically, charge level affects electronic resistance | 00:29 |
| Estel_ | so should be possible to measure it via make-shifdt equipment, then | 00:29 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: you can measure electrical+ionic total eaily with meter + big resistors | 00:29 |
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| jacekowski | if you want to measure ionic resistance you have to be fast (microseconds fast) | 00:30 |
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| Estel_ | I see | 00:31 |
| Estel_ | no way to delete electrical one form calculations later, via comparision of resistance on different loads? | 00:31 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: NP | 00:31 |
| Estel_ | You know, via math? | 00:31 |
| jacekowski | not really | 00:31 |
| jacekowski | ionic resistance is very non linear | 00:32 |
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| vi__ | jacekowski: it is also more or less irrelevent. | 00:33 |
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| Estel_ | lol | 00:34 |
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| EdLin | hello | 01:06 |
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| EdLin | when I flashed FIASCO, I used the US version, but my device might be a global or other n900 as it's from eBay from an international seller. Would this cause side-effects or is this OK? | 01:07 |
| Estel_ | just use globalk | 01:08 |
| Estel_ | it can be used on any N900 | 01:08 |
| Estel_ | n900 is different by region | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | firmware makes it different, so use global always | 01:09 |
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| EdLin | Estel_, it seems to be working OK, what hardware's different? | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | Us variant have more restricted FMTX | 01:11 |
| EdLin | I see, so I might have problems with FMTX if I used the wrong firmware? | 01:12 |
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| Estel_ | more hassle to unclock it | 01:13 |
| Estel_ | at worst | 01:13 |
| Estel_ | no idea, never used us variant | 01:13 |
| EdLin | OK, I'll flash yet another time with fiasco then. EEMC is the same, eh? I did that one too. | 01:14 |
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| ShadowJK | the fmtx restrictions are probably stored in cal anyway | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | which doesn't get flashed | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | but as for fmtx, there's the unlocked version somewhere | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | US version has different cellmo FW which occasionally borks and has no reported benefit even inside US with US carriers | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's the street talk | 01:37 |
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| EdLin | btw, cellphonesforever included the stylus with mine. I guess they learned their lesson about that, it was definitely really a refurbished one though, it had apps installed on it when I got it. | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, at least you got a working one | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cellphonesforever considered EVIL from all I read | 01:42 |
| EdLin | yes, I should have done my research about this seller before buying. | 01:43 |
| EdLin | it seems to be in working order more or less. | 01:44 |
| EdLin | I'm taking my time to make sure everything works before I give them an ebay evaluation. | 01:44 |
| Estel_ | EdLin, be sure to cherck all sensor via healthcheck | 01:45 |
| Estel_ | and sue digital camera to check Ir sensor | 01:45 |
| Estel_ | (digital camera's viewfinder actually sees IR light) | 01:45 |
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| Estel_ | using tvBGone! widget is easiest way to generate IR output | 01:45 |
| Viltzu | 32 | 01:45 |
| Estel_ | hi lxp, long time not seen | 01:45 |
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| EdLin | Estel_, I can't seem to type period, I get a O with a line through it, some sort of Scandanavian character. | 01:55 |
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| EdLin | I did tell it I'm an American, not sure what's wrong. ;-) | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* KDE4 fubar | 01:57 |
| EdLin | hey, do you know what might be wrong that's making it use a o with a line rather than a period? | 01:57 |
| EdLin | it makes it hard to type in addresses, as you can imagine. | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reflash | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you even got apps installed on it, you will want to reflash to a clean install | 01:58 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer05, I did that already, fiasco and emmc. | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you wanna set kbd to your locale, in settings | 01:59 |
| EdLin | OK. | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MEH! reboot time for this fsckup KDE4 | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mouseclicks get ignored, no matter what I do - on start menu and taskbar only | 02:00 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer05, why do you torture yourself with KDE4? ;-) | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | opening start menu with alt-F1 I can't navigate it with cursor keys | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | EdLin: because I am content with one method of torture | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't need a second one | 02:02 |
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| EdLin | DocScrutinizer05, I just use a plain window manager, screw Linux desktop environments. | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I should consider downgrading to KDE3 though | 02:02 |
| EdLin | yeah, KDE3 was OK. | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KDE4 wrecked by a flock of flakes | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | REBOOOOooooooooo.......... | 02:04 |
| EdLin | GNOME got a lot worse too, I'm not sure what happened, maybe they decided that Linux was getting too good for users so they'd mess up the desktop to keep it elite. ;-) | 02:05 |
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| Jiri | Hello | 02:09 |
| Jiri | i have installed bluetooth dun, do i need to some way activa it before it is ready to use? | 02:09 |
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| Jiri | anyone alive? | 02:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 02:22 |
| EdLin | nobody is alive, everyone died in the zombie elopacylpse. | 02:24 |
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| Jiri | ok thats good | 02:26 |
| Jiri | so i installed the bluetooh dun, do i need to enable it after that? | 02:26 |
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| Venemo | ~seen kihamala | 03:17 |
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| Estel_ | ShadowJK, interesting, using dual-scud, I can't properly finish charging @ 100 mA termination current - it finish *too early* | 04:03 |
| Estel_ | i.e. vdq doesn't set to 1, because charge terminates before battery is full | 04:03 |
| Estel_ | need to use min value of 50 mA | 04:03 |
| Estel_ | in such case, single batteries terminate even earlier with charge.sh and bq2415x_charger, huh? | 04:03 |
| Estel_ | You would say that dual cells will accept higher current at same state of charge | 04:03 |
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| EdLin | OK, got an n900. What do I do to get RD mode to break my device? :) | 04:43 |
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| EdLin | sigh, guess I'll have to read the forums to figure it out. :P | 04:44 |
| EdLin | I guess I needed rootsh :) | 04:48 |
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| luke-jr | EdLin: nah | 04:49 |
| luke-jr | just install SSH | 04:49 |
| luke-jr | and ssh in as root | 04:49 |
| luke-jr | :P | 04:49 |
| luke-jr | then edit the sudo configs yourself | 04:50 |
| ShadowJK | Estel_; bq27200 uses 60 or 80mA, iirc | 04:53 |
| ShadowJK | EdLin; or get rootsh from app manager, then type "root" in x-terminal | 04:54 |
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| EdLin | I'm having a problem with my new n900, I was charging it, for the second time (first time was before flashing, I successfully charged it to "green" 100%) and all of a sudden it said I needed to recharge the battery while it was on the charger. Now it's booting and rebooting in a loop. | 06:01 |
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| EdLin | does anyone have advice about boot loops like this? | 06:07 |
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| EdLin | my n900 while I was charging it all of a sudden said it was out of juice, then it shut down, now all it does if bootloop on the charger, and off not turn on at all. I've only had it a day, and I charged it successfully once before. | 07:28 |
| EdLin | I guess I'll ask what to do on TMO if I can't get a quick answer here. | 07:30 |
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| EdLin | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85842 | 07:41 |
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| freemangordon | EdLin: need a new battery? | 08:27 |
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| EdLin | freemangordon, maybe I do need a new battery, knowing what I know now about cellphonesforever on eBay, they probably gave me a fake. | 11:00 |
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| EdLin | what does it mean when there's a flashing red LED? | 11:13 |
| Sv | throw it the farthest you can | 11:13 |
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| kerio | D: | 11:46 |
| kerio | lol | 11:46 |
| kerio | EdLin: it doesn't look like a good sign, anyway | 11:47 |
| kerio | EdLin: does it feel swollen? | 11:47 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: I'm considering enabling gcj in the toolchain. I only didn't do so to keep the size down. What do you think? Would other languages be useful? | 13:12 |
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| wookey | OK. I have an n900 and just got usb0 working from my laptop | 14:34 |
| wookey | I can ssh in, but what is the pasword for the default user 'user? | 14:35 |
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| wookey | Also I have mobilehtspot 0.3.5, but it doesn;t work because the conntrack modules it comes with are for 2.6.28.10-power51 and I'm running the stock kernel | 14:38 |
| jon_y | wookey: use the kernel-power | 14:39 |
| jon_y | there are no default passwords | 14:39 |
| wookey | yes. I worked that out and tried installing it | 14:39 |
| wookey | but got a complaint that line37 of my suedoers file is invalid so it wouldn't install | 14:40 |
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| wookey | any ideas what's that's about? | 14:40 |
| jon_y | after installing the kernel, you'll need to reboot unless you know what you're doing | 14:40 |
| wookey | this is why I want to ssh in so I don't have to type on the tiny keyboard :-) | 14:40 |
| jon_y | don't know what went wrong for you, root/users ssh works for me over usb | 14:40 |
| wookey | so ssh user@192.168.2.15 (or root@) should let me in with no password? | 14:41 |
| jon_y | no, you are supposed to set the password on the phone | 14:42 |
| wookey | neither work | 14:42 |
| jon_y | or use madde developer | 14:42 |
| wookey | OK, so changing the passwd for user or root isn;t going to break anything else? | 14:42 |
| jon_y | you should be prompted for the user password when installing ssh server | 14:42 |
| jon_y | it should be fine | 14:43 |
| wookey | OK. I'm in :-) | 14:44 |
| wookey | do I need kernel-power-booting in order for kernel-power-flasher/kernle-power to work OK? | 14:47 |
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| wookey | or will just apt-get install kernel-power-flasher DTRT (mopdule whatever is wrong with my sudoers) | 14:47 |
| wookey | OK, so the error on trying to install kernel-power-flasher is Setting up kernel-power-flasher (1:2.6.28-10power51r1) ... | 14:49 |
| wookey | >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 37 <<< | 14:49 |
| wookey | /etc/sudoers.d/everybody.sudoers changes break sudoers | 14:49 |
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| wookey | and that file contians user ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/sudser-worker | 14:51 |
| wookey | user ALL=(ALL) PASSWD: | 14:51 |
| wookey | dpkg says no package owns that file | 14:52 |
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| wookey | OK. that second line was duff. removing it allows kernel-power-flasher to install | 14:56 |
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| wookey | having a linux phone is cool, it breaks in ways I understand :-) | 14:56 |
| wookey | So I can just reboot now and everything should be lovely? Are there things I ought to know/do in case of boot failure? I'm clueless about talking to bootloader etc on this devce | 14:57 |
| wookey | well, it still boots :-) | 15:02 |
| wookey | does the power kernel use more power or is it just 'better'? | 15:04 |
| wookey | i.e. is there any reason why I might want to set up multiboot so I can run stock easily? | 15:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | --use the kernel-power-- I always feel like watching starwars. In my book this is powerkernel, like green car. While in package naming it goes from more general to more specific, like kernel -> kernel-power, and car -> car-green | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use the power! lol | 15:12 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Did you read the thread? | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops not yet | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw look at my nick ;-) | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where's the friggin "donate2 button? | 15:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | even on reading 2nd time I still fail to spot the proposed way of donation | 15:17 |
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| wookey | hmm, the main fature of this new kernel seems to be inability to use wireless or GSM internet | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: please give me URL to donate via PayPal | 15:19 |
| wookey | hm, but I can still make phone calls | 15:19 |
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| * jonwil wonders if there is a way to dump or packet log netlink communications | 15:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sudser??? | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fscj sudser! | 15:22 |
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| kerio | wookey: :( | 15:24 |
| kerio | fuck sudser, indeed | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wookey: you don't want to set up multiboot | 15:24 |
| kerio | not that rootsh is better, mind you | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot | 15:24 |
| kerio | wookey: multiboot will slowly but surely wreck your nand | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, she's really out a lot lately | 15:24 |
| kerio | (it reflashes the kernel at every boot) | 15:25 |
| kerio | kernel-power, when it works, is better than the stock kernel | 15:25 |
| wookey | OK. GSM network working now - looks like I need to re-get netowrk setting from operator | 15:25 |
| wookey | kerio: I see. that's worth knowing | 15:25 |
| kerio | for instance, it lets you use smartreflex | 15:25 |
| kerio | and usb host mode | 15:26 |
| kerio | and stuff like mobilehotspot | 15:26 |
| kerio | and overclocking, if you suck | 15:26 |
| wookey | ah, so the usb is OTG? | 15:26 |
| kerio | and working injection, for wifi | 15:26 |
| wookey | and do both I have the right cables | 15:26 |
| kerio | not quite | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while smartreflex in itself is controversy | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wookey: not OTG, but host | 15:27 |
| kerio | host mode is a lot more manual | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OTG >> usb-host, but you never will feel a need for the added cruft | 15:27 |
| kerio | kp also has the basis for a future bme replacement | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck netsplits | 15:28 |
| wookey | bme? | 15:28 |
| kerio | hey vi_ | 15:28 |
| * wookey googles smartreflex | 15:28 | |
| kerio | i has an otterbox :D | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the bot reliably blows chunks each single time | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: ping | 15:35 |
| kerio | vi_: double ping | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: WTF is the paypal "Donate" button for zeq device??? | 15:36 |
| kerio | hey DocScrutinizer05 | 15:36 |
| kerio | i have an otterbox :D | 15:36 |
| kerio | this thing is massive | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: I have 20EUR waiting here allocated for the purpose, I DO NOT have an afternoon of time for following up on the issue | 15:37 |
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| * wookey failing miserably to make hotspot work still/win 44 | 15:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yet/lose 42 | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DAFUUUUUQ tmo PM - what an epic fail | 15:43 |
| zeq | wookey: is that qtmobilehotspot? | 15:47 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I TMO PMd you my paypal address. | 15:47 |
| wookey | zeq: it's this: http://maemo.org/packages/view/mobilehotspot/ | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, now figuring how to read tmo PM, how to do a fucking paypal transfer without any proper donate button etc pp | 15:48 |
| wookey | so now it runs, and loads modules which is good | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this whole shit costs me 20EUr plus 3h work = more than a new N900 worth | 15:49 |
| kerio | wookey: that's mobilehotspot, not qtmobilehotspot | 15:49 |
| kerio | i prefe tr | 15:49 |
| kerio | er | 15:49 |
| kerio | i prefer the former, though | 15:49 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: You go to paypal, you go to send funds, you enter my address and the value. | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: why can't you get a proper Donate button like e.g. in MohammadAG's post#1 in usb-hostmode thread? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: I dafaq not even know how to go to paypal | 15:50 |
| wookey | DocScrutinizer05: all you have to do is entry someone email address and click 'send money' - it's hardly rocket science | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't use paypal usually | 15:50 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: http://www.paypal.com | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 15:50 |
| kerio | haha | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | great, now I have to dig up the password for paypal on my old PC | 15:52 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Sorry doc, when you said you would pledge 20euro, I did not think it would be a hassle for you to do it. | 15:54 |
| jonwil | whats the name of the package you use to log network packets? | 15:55 |
| jonwil | on the N900 | 15:56 |
| vi_ | jonwil: wireshark | 15:57 |
| vi_ | and to a lesser extent tshark | 15:57 |
| jonwil | wireshark is what you use to view the packets | 15:57 |
| jonwil | but what do you run on-phone to log the packets? | 15:57 |
| vi_ | ...wut? | 15:57 |
| vi_ | You run wireshark to log AND view the packets. | 15:58 |
| vi_ | If you do not want the overhead of wireshark gui you can use tshark, terminal program. | 15:58 |
| jonwil | no, I remember a command line program on the N900 that logs the packets without any GUI | 15:58 |
| vi_ | TSHARK | 15:58 |
| jonwil | it wasnt wireshark, it was pcap or something | 15:58 |
| vi_ | T | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tshark | 15:59 |
| vi_ | S | 15:59 |
| vi_ | H | 15:59 |
| vi_ | A | 15:59 |
| vi_ | R | 15:59 |
| vi_ | K | 15:59 |
| jonwil | aha, tcpdump is the one I used befoer | 15:59 |
| jonwil | before | 15:59 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: thanks for the pledge! I will edit the typo. | 15:59 |
| jonwil | so I will use tcpdump again | 16:00 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Also I hate paypal as well, however it allows us to exchange monies without worrying about things like logistics and trust. | 16:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: for next fundraiser please look at e.g. my signature on tmo, or -even better - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=866260&postcount=1 | 16:01 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I shall. | 16:02 |
| vi_ | However this way it made it easier to stop the donations when we had enough. | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no need to send out email addr via tmo(! :-o) PM | 16:02 |
| zeq | thanks for the donation DocScrutinizer :) | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | said, done | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw, thanks for contributing | 16:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly ponders to port kde-wallet to fremantle, or sync kde-wallet with whatever passwd-vault app there might be on N900 | 16:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, thanks vi_ I now know my paypal password again ;-P | 16:08 |
| vi_ | np! | 16:09 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: was it "password"? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | close, but a near miss | 16:09 |
| jonwil | damn, it looks like you cant log netlink packets, at least not with tcpdump | 16:09 |
| kerio | was it "password1"? | 16:09 |
| jonwil | probably not with anything | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *burp* | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tshark won't trace netlink? | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly only netdev huh? | 16:10 |
| jonwil | aha | 16:11 |
| jonwil | http://nowmovealong.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/monitoring-linux-netlink-traffic.html | 16:11 |
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| jonwil | or maybe not | 16:14 |
| wookey | bugger me | 16:17 |
| * wookey is tethered over GSM | 16:17 | |
| wookey | it can work :-) | 16:18 |
| wookey | A bit of fiddling to make it more automagic and I should be good to go | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what else? | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wookey: what exactly are you messing with? | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a wiki page howto for basically everything | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually "there's an app for it2 even ;-) | 16:20 |
| wookey | I wanted to make my phone give my laptop net access | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | via USB? | 16:21 |
| wookey | could do it via ppp but hten you need to know the runes | 16:21 |
| wookey | so I used mobilehotspot | 16:21 |
| wookey | but that needed a kernel upgrade to load its modules | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should work OOTB | 16:22 |
| wookey | and then I had to get my sim working on the provider | 16:22 |
| wookey | and then I had to get wicd to use the usb0 instead of eth0 | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik mobile hotspot comes with dependency to matching kernel | 16:22 |
| wookey | DocScrutinizer05: that didn;t 'just work' | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so if you install it via HAM you should be good | 16:22 |
| wookey | I used the standard gui installer and it didn;t upgrade my kernel | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just don't use crap like fapman, or apt-get which is for experts only who know they have to revert to HAM when anything goes awry with apt | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wookey: then that's a bug | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even a regression | 16:23 |
| wookey | never heard of HAM | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik it actually pulled kernel in former times | 16:24 |
| * wookey is new to actually messing with my phone | 16:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hildon App manager | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the default one | 16:24 |
| wookey | OK. that's what I used | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the slooooow one ;-P | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you already spotted a regression I'd say | 16:24 |
| wookey | poking on the terminal showed that the problem with was the module/kernel mismatch | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably dependencies broke with PK51 update, not really any exciting new thing to watch | 16:25 |
| wookey | So i upgraded today, which was pleasingly easy except that $something had put a duff line in my /etc/sudoers.d/ | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uninstall sudser! | 16:26 |
| wookey | at least the upgrade checked rather than screwing things up - I was quite impressed :-) | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a brainfart | 16:26 |
| wookey | I seem to need different config for hotspot use and ssh-to-phone use on the laptop end | 16:26 |
| wookey | former uses dhcp, latter needs static IP config for 192.168.2.x | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hotspot creates a fake wifi-AP on N900 | 16:27 |
| wookey | I guess I can fettle up the phone to procide dhcp and bring up the usb0 automatically | 16:27 |
| wookey | it gives you a choice of wifi ap or usb0 conection | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard about that | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | check wiki "usb-networking" page | 16:28 |
| * jonwil is sure there must be a way to dump netlink packets | 16:28 | |
| jonwil | I just cant find it no matter how hard I google :P | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | which is about networking without hotspot/dhcp/whatever | 16:29 |
| wookey | DocScrutinizer05: I've saved that page for messing once they take my net away - it seems comprehensive :-) | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: wireshark --help: -y <link type> link layer type (def: first appropriate) | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno... | 16:30 |
| wookey | wicd is pretty stupid aboutswitching between eth0 and usb0. have to change config file and restart dameon | 16:30 |
| wookey | network-mangler is better in this regard I hear. maybe I'll have to hold nose and try that | 16:30 |
| jonwil | now I just need to find wireshark for the n900 :P | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TSHARK!!! | 16:31 |
| jonwil | yeah or tshark | 16:31 |
| jonwil | ok, its in extras-devel | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ # apt-cache policy tshark | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tshark: | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Installed: 1.2.6-0maemo1 | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 16:33 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 waves | 16:34 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 kicks in infobot's direction, into a void | 16:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn netsplits, damn bot scheduler | 16:34 |
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| jonwil | ok, tshark cant do netlink because there is no interface for tshark to connect to and log from | 16:39 |
| jonwil | or at least thats the impression I get from the manual | 16:39 |
| jonwil | remember netlink isn't sent like regular packets, its an IPC mechanism | 16:39 |
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| jonwil | The only way I can think of to do this as of now would be to hack strace to grab the contents of each entry sent to sendmsg and recvmsg and dump to a binary file. | 16:41 |
| jonwil | and parse the results manually | 16:41 |
| jonwil | aha, I can modify libnl to do what I want | 16:43 |
| jonwil | and dump the data being sent through | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@halebop:/btr77G> tshark -L | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tshark: There are no interfaces on which a capture can be done | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF?! | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ # tshark -L | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Data link types (use option -y to set): | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IEEE802_11 | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (802.11) | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (on N900) | 16:45 |
| jonwil | yeah thats picking up the options for wlan0 | 16:45 |
| jonwil | thats what I see on my phone too | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess *shark needs a capture interface compiled in for netlink | 16:46 |
| jonwil | yes I guess so | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw root helps ;-) | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | halebop:~ # tshark -L | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Data link types (use option -y to set): | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | EN10MB (Ethernet) | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DOCSIS (DOCSIS) | 16:47 |
| jonwil | I did find http://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-dev/201103/msg00082.html | 16:48 |
| jonwil | which is someone asking about netlink and getting no answer | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rtmon anyway seems to work, you spotted that. Why are you not content with it? | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, it might be missing on N900 ;-P | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, in the end *shark probably is the wrong tool for data over netlink anyway | 16:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | just like using gdb to grep in a file for a string was the wrong tool for the purpose | 16:53 |
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| jonwil | ok, looks like iproute might help | 16:54 |
| jonwil | lets install that package | 16:55 |
| jonwil | hmmm no rtmon doesn't help | 16:56 |
| jonwil | its only for monitoring routing table changes | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: anyway let me know what you finally come up with, since monitoring netlink sockets is sth I'm interested in as well | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: after all it's the channel for kevents notifications | 16:56 |
| jonwil | yes | 16:56 |
| jonwil | it seems like no such logger exists | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | udevadm monitor is close | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but not exactly helping | 16:57 |
| jonwil | seems like hacking libnl might be the way to go | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: since netlink socks are not bound to a device (like eth0) I guess there's no way except strace-alike to monitor this particular IPC | 16:59 |
| jonwil | if I hack libnl to dump the data, that might help | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all the *mon tools just open their own sock | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the idea of netlink aiui being a one-to-many broadcast from kernel to all the clients that are listening to their associated socket | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | of course also reverse messages getting transported through that IPC, form app to kernel | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mere handwaving since I never looked that deep into what netlink does | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: sure hacking libnl will allow you to trace the traffic of that one app that's linked against your libnl_hacked | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or - if that's libnl.so - you even might be able to monitor all apps that use libnl | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but there are way for an app to use netlink without libnl afaik | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ways* | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you also could hack kernel to trace all netlink traffic to syslog ;-) | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it probably depends on what you're after | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, maybe there IS already such kernel-borne tracing? you checked debugfs etc? | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you also could hack kernel to trace all netlink traffic to syslog ;-) | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it probably depends on what you're after | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, maybe there IS already such kernel-borne tracing? you checked debugfs etc? | 17:10 |
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| jonwil | nope, cant find any kernel dumps to dump strace stuff | 17:14 |
| jonwil | I mean netlink | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you just want to monitor a particular userland process, strace probably is your first choice | 17:15 |
| jonwil | but strace wont give me all the info from the netlink writes | 17:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it won't? | 17:16 |
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| jonwil | I am currently hacking strace to do what I want | 17:24 |
| jonwil | :P | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | duh, strace needs any hacking? I think it just needs proper parameters and maybe a filter to select and format from output | 17:29 |
| jonwil | well that was useless | 17:31 |
| jonwil | I cant get strace to dump what I need | 17:31 |
| jonwil | I think hacking libnl is the way to go | 17:31 |
| jonwil | actually wait, I am not sure why I need to dump netlink in the first place | 17:32 |
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| jonwil | getting closer to having a testable wl1251-cal binary | 18:04 |
| zeq1 | jonwil: did you manage to work out the protocol? | 18:06 |
| jonwil | I have gotten the special stuff used to send nvs to driver yes | 18:07 |
| jonwil | its just netlink with some specific messages | 18:07 |
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| zeq1 | good work :) | 18:12 |
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| kerio | hm, bnf has a wrong sudoers.d file | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bnf? | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf bnf | 18:38 |
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| sivang | hi all | 18:38 |
| sivang | and re | 18:38 |
| sivang | does anybody know if Harmattan's backup really backs up everything BUT DCIM and music ? | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ECHAN? | 18:39 |
| sivang | (It did not show any options to choose from before starting the backup) | 18:39 |
| sivang | oh | 18:39 |
| sivang | oops | 18:39 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer05: indeed :) | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 18:39 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: a cute little program that displays battery info on a system notification | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so probably something that a) rapes your CPU and battery, b) messes with kernel and c) displays absolute nonsense? | 18:42 |
| kerio | but the .desktop file calls "sudo bnf", and there's a /usr/sbin/bnf executable | 18:42 |
| kerio | but the sudoers.d file refers to /usr/sbin/bnf.sh | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 18:43 |
| kerio | no, there's nothing running in the background | 18:43 |
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| kerio | and it doesn't mess with the kernel | 18:43 |
| vi__ | zeq1: n900...acquired. | 18:43 |
| vi__ | kerio: how do you like your otterbox? | 18:43 |
| kerio | vi__: awesoem | 18:44 |
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| vi__ | total monster size. | 18:44 |
| kerio | it's still a bit weird to get the stylus or flick the lock slider | 18:44 |
| vi__ | You get used to it. | 18:44 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it just displays bq27200 data when you want to | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I nevertheless could come up with 3 reasons why it's flawed, in 5 minutes. You however already pointed to one of them | 18:44 |
| vi__ | and when you do...after you take it out the box it seems so sleek and delicate! | 18:45 |
| kerio | vi__: hehehe | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and where from does it get that data? ha? haaa? from a bq27200.ko that breaks your system | 18:45 |
| ShadowJK | or then it does it same way as bq27200.sh | 18:45 |
| kerio | huh... i2cget? | 18:46 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: yep | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, then it works | 18:46 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh you c: | 18:46 |
| kerio | # Collecting data - from bq27200.sh by shadowjk, with few things added by me | 18:46 |
| kerio | yep indeed | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got a bq27k-detail.desktop - guess what it does ;-P | 18:47 |
| kerio | oh god busybox arithmetics | 18:47 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what bnf does, except you haven't shared it with anyone? | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 18:47 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: does it show battery stats in a nice yellow bubble? | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't think it was worth sharing | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Name=bq27k Monitor | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Exec=/usr/bin/osso-xterm 'sudo /root/bin/bq27200.sh 60' | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Icon=iptraf | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see? I shared it now | 18:49 |
| kerio | hehe | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, I probably should share the sudoers.d/* too, eh? | 18:49 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i can try to guess what it contains | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet you succeed on first guess | 18:50 |
| * RST38h moos | 18:50 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 moos nack | 18:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | back even | 18:50 |
| kerio | "user ALL: (ALL) NOPASSWD: /root/bin/bq27200.sh"? | 18:51 |
| RST38h | How is our decline tonight? | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (fsck U trackpoint) | 18:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 considers removing that red rubber clit permanently | 18:51 | |
| kerio | vi__: btw, i didn't know the otterbox came with a screen protector :s | 18:51 |
| kerio | i wasted 6€ buying a different one! | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: user ALL = NOPASSWD: /root/bin/bq27200.sh --- indeed how did you guess TAHT?? | 18:53 |
| RST38h | Doc: Don't, cost me ~20% of a finger the last time | 18:53 |
| kerio | :D | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: thanks for the warning :-D | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however I'm more concerned where to store that rubber blob | 18:55 |
| RST38h | Don't recent Lenovos have a normal trackpad in addition to the masturbator(tm)? | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 18:55 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders stashing that red thingie away in a PCMCIA slot | 18:56 | |
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| kerio | don't remove the trackpoint! how will you play enigma afterwards? | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YEAH I pushed it into the modem RJ11 receptacle. Never ever will come out again :-S | 18:57 |
| kerio | D: | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh well, who needs masturbator, or POTS modem (latter one prolly not even functional without windoze softmodem driver) | 18:58 |
| jonwil | There needs to be a special place in hell reserved for the guy who invented that red nub thing pointing device | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what an anachronism | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | M O D E M - 56k LOLWTF | 18:59 |
| zeq1 | vi_: :) | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even has an annoying green LED next to it, to tell me "here I am, eating your electricity for nuttin" all the time | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeeha, the ETA for copying those 28GB from one place on HDD to another went down from 8h to 1h13 during initial 30min of copy | 19:02 |
| vi__ | jonwil: the clit mouse? | 19:03 |
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| vi__ | clitmouse is pro | 19:04 |
| RST38h | kerio: with healthy fingertips, no? | 19:04 |
| vi__ | kerio: You will need it in about 4-5 months. | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while a killall aplay on the old PC amazingly froze the whole thing for ~5min, then freed up like 5GB of swap and cured knotify cpu load to 0% from ~50% it was before | 19:04 |
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| RST38h | jonwil: Most IBM hardware seems to be designed by robots, for robots. You probably have not seen their PC RT and PS/2 mice... | 19:05 |
| RST38h | Besides, even current Lenovos always freak me out due to their similarity to old Soviet mainframe hardware | 19:05 |
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| kerio | vi__: what? | 19:06 |
| kerio | RST38h: enigma is the shit | 19:07 |
| kerio | and playing it with a joystick is even better | 19:07 |
| zeq1 | freemangordon: I've discovered an interesting "feature" with -ffast-math. The old pre-c99 isnanf() macros (at least with our glibc) do not work as expected. I was debugging a hildon-desktop crash with fastmath enabled. Using the C99 replaceent isnan() works fine. | 19:08 |
| zeq1 | s/replaceent/replacement/ | 19:09 |
| Venemo_N9 | zeq1, indeed. | 19:09 |
| infobot | zeq1 meant: freemangordon: I've discovered an interesting "feature" with -ffast-math. The old pre-c99 isnanf() macros (at least with our glibc) do not work as expected. I was debugging a hildon-desktop crash with fastmath enabled. Using the C99 replacement isnan() ... | 19:09 |
| vi__ | kerio: the screen protector | 19:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq1?isnan(WTF):null | 19:09 |
| vi__ | kerio: where you looking for an imgur uploader? | 19:11 |
| kerio | no, i wasn't | 19:11 |
| kerio | ...i did have a problem with microb's file picker though | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NAME fpclassify, isfinite, isnormal, isnan, isinf - floating-point (!!!) classification macros | 19:11 |
| * zeq1 needs to go pack for holiday :) | 19:11 | |
| kerio | vi__: also yeah | 19:12 |
| vi__ | kerio: there is a bash script that behaves just like pastebinnit. | 19:12 |
| zeq1 | DocScrutinizer: fpclassify is the C99 standard | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf are you doing with float anyway ? ;-) | 19:13 |
| zeq1 | the isnanf() is obsolete according to the man page | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | float is EVIL! | 19:13 |
| zeq1 | :) | 19:13 |
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| vi__ | zeq1: turn the computer off now. back away from the keyboard and go on holiday. | 19:14 |
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| qwazix | clit mouse ftw :) unless they make all progrmas with command line | 19:15 |
| qwazix | s/progrmas/programs/ | 19:15 |
| infobot | qwazix meant: clit mouse ftw :) unless they make all programs with command line | 19:15 |
| qwazix | or sane shortcuts | 19:16 |
| qwazix | can't live without it anymore, although I agree there's a pretty steep learning curve | 19:16 |
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| RST38h | MEANWHILE: Unfortunately for Motorola, the phone still appears to be broadly-rectangular, a shape which we all now know certain corporate residents of Cupertino invented long before Euclid started fooling with geometry. | 19:21 |
| ShadowJK | An australian has patent on the wheel, so you can't make circular phones either | 19:24 |
| ShadowJK | and apple has also patent on the wedge | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: MUHAHAHA | 19:24 |
| ShadowJK | maybe octagonal is still available | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll patent all roughly potato-shaped cases | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | THEN you're really fscked | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hell, I'll patent the idea of having a case at all | 19:25 |
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| vi__ | nokia has patent on the 'half frisbee in head' | 19:25 |
| vi__ | or the n-gage v1 as it was known. | 19:26 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; i hope om/etc has patent on caseless ;D | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, 5% aka 20k of files to copy, 90% of those 28GB done | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: I think OM/sean never bothered about *any* patents | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, there were actually 5 (five!) files that conflicted when copying my 28GB of old home over the fresh new home on new laptop | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now if only the kde session would come up on that user | 19:33 |
| qwazix | I'm thinking to order another two N900 back covers and try to transplant the kickstand of the one to the left side of the other so that it has two of themd | 19:36 |
| vi__ | qwazix: madness. | 19:37 |
| qwazix | it will sit flat on it's back and will be able to be used with stylus when on the table | 19:37 |
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| qwazix | vi_: but why?? :P | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: right side | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | left side is the camera and existing stand | 19:40 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer: left side as you look at the back cover | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I do what? I never do that ;-P | 19:41 |
| qwazix | right side as you hold it | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D | 19:41 |
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| qwazix | DocScrutinizer: you don't take self photos for faceshit? | 19:42 |
| kerio | qwazix: wait for estel's super duper aluminium cases | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "the following problem been detected while trying to start KDE: no write access to .ICEauthority" :-/ | 19:43 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 curses user-name/numID duality of *nix | 19:44 | |
| qwazix | kerio: yeah, might be better... | 19:44 |
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| Tofe | plop | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | superduper alu case will have superduper antenna fake/fsckup | 19:52 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: :c | 19:52 |
| kerio | the iphone 4s has a partially metallic case! | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or comes with "how to hold it right" instuctions just like iPhone ;-P | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no way a one man amateur enterprise will build anything as sophisticated as that iPhone's integrated antenna design | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Evolution! | 19:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Make a 3d printer that can do wire as well as plastic, print a dozen random candidates, and automatically measure them. | 19:54 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i just want to see if he'll actually make a case that can hold two 18650s | 19:54 |
| kerio | it will be glorious | 19:55 |
| kerio | besides, the placement of the stock antenna is awful | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | friggin line find . -user jr -exec chown -v jr2 {} \; takes forever, with 28GB aka 500k files | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will restart it without -v | 19:56 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you can make it slightly faster by xargsing it | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure about that? | 19:58 |
| kerio | can't you configure xargs to run the same program with multiple arguments? | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet you can | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which probably actually would speed up things a bit | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though, chown is in cache already | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, nuttin a pair of 2GHz cores wouldn't cut through in minutes, eh? | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | done | 20:00 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05: what's the -v switch? | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | verbose | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | diagnostic output | 20:01 |
| qwazix | naturally | 20:01 |
| * qwazix feels stupid | 20:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and (dummdummdumm) here it is: KDE4 with old home - finally | 20:03 |
| qwazix | how's KDE4 speed-wise? | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | shit | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except for segv | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty fast and frequent | 20:06 |
| zeq1 | just rebuilt transmission for thumb, saved over half a megabyte! Now I wonder if it will finally be usable..? | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course NONE of my settings from KDE4(!) of old laptop made it to KDE4 of that new user on new laptop where I copied the whole friggin 28GB of $HOME to | 20:07 |
| kerio | zeq1: half a mb doesn't sound like a lot | 20:11 |
| vi__ | zeq1: Unlikely. | 20:11 |
| vi__ | zeq1: go on yhour damn holiday allready! | 20:12 |
| vi__ | zeq1: rtorrent on the other hands runs like a champ. | 20:12 |
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| vi__ | ...but it does not suppory magnet links. | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lovely how two concurrent irc clients kick each other mutually :-P | 20:16 |
| zeq1 | vi_: just about ready to leave :) | 20:17 |
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| zeq1 | vi_: deluge is my client of choice. I run the daemon on my server and have a nice native gtk client or web interface. | 20:25 |
| zeq1 | just need to port it... | 20:25 |
| kerio | zeq1: >:( | 20:28 |
| kerio | transmission-daemon! | 20:28 |
| zeq1 | kerio: yes, I know... but I like deluge :) | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq1: if you need a temporary kickban not to miss your airplane or whatever, don't hesitate to ask ;-D | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (this *sometimes* has worked for MohammadAG ;-D ) | 20:36 |
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| zeq1 | that's ok DocScrutinizer05, gf is driving :) | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah X-D | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "this female voice of your navi made me angry, so I drove left when she said 'right' " | 20:39 |
| qwazix | just "ported" pyroom to N900 | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pyroom sounds like a very tasty mushroom | 20:40 |
| qwazix | downloaded tar, changed 1 line, commented 3 and modified preferences to use more screen | 20:41 |
| qwazix | it's a text editor | 20:41 |
| FIQ|n900 | qwazix: sounds like hard work | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: moinmoin! | 20:45 |
| javispedro | hi | 20:45 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 just noticed join-notification in his 'ported' DocScrutinizer client in 2nd KDE session | 20:46 | |
| javispedro | using KDE now? :) | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since KDE0.8 | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually I tried gnome for... like 6h | 20:48 |
| Venemo_N9 | lol | 20:48 |
| qwazix | FIQ|n900: yeah, wonder if it's possible to package for extras devel on the N900 itself | 20:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thought "WTF, my win98 is more configurable than this. Nicer too" and switched system back to KDE2 | 20:49 |
| FIQ|n900 | :P | 20:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: nah, I just finally tried to complete the migration of my old KDE4 setup from that esprimo crap to my new lenovo t500, by copying 28GB of $home | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now I got 2 KDE sessions running on t500, this one and the 'old' one with DocScrutinizer xchat | 20:51 |
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| javispedro | one of the nice thinkpads | 20:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, after removing the redrubbernub | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that otherwise blocks b g h keys | 20:53 |
| javispedro | I know people that _like_ that :P | 20:54 |
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| vi__ | WTS:1xN950. Serious offers only. | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | perverts ;-P | 20:54 |
| javispedro | wouldn't use it in a thousand years | 20:54 |
| vi__ | I llike the rubber nub. | 20:54 |
| javispedro | vi__: so the $2000 got into you, eh? | 20:54 |
| vi__ | no. | 20:54 |
| vi__ | aegis. | 20:54 |
| javispedro | my n950 has no aegis =) | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 20:55 |
| vi__ | They castrated my favourite OS. | 20:55 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 heard vi__falling off the chair | 20:55 | |
| vi__ | Its the little things. | 20:56 |
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| vi__ | Like why does /bin/sh flat out ignore my .profile? | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, like the whole OS not made for a device with hw kbd for example | 20:56 |
| vi__ | fuck harmattan. | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ACK | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no more fun in that one | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for me | 20:57 |
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| vi__ | ~seen slopotanmus | 20:57 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'slopotanmus', vi__ | 20:57 |
| vi__ | ~seen slopotanus | 20:57 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'slopotanus', vi__ | 20:58 |
| vi__ | ~seen slopatonus | 20:58 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'slopatonus', vi__ | 20:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen slopotonamus | 20:58 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'slopotonamus', DocScrutinizer05 | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~uselss | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~useless | 20:58 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 20:58 | |
| javispedro | ~seen slonopotamus | 20:58 |
| infobot | slonopotamus <~slonopota@176.57.72.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 66d 22h 57m 39s ago, saying: 'DocScrutinizer51: you're killing all fun'. | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~learn seen for wildcards! | 20:59 |
| vi__ | 'DocScrutinizer51: you're killing all fun' | 20:59 |
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| vi__ | ~seen a naked woman | 20:59 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'a naked woman', vi__ | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~liar | 21:00 |
| vi__ | ~man woman | 21:00 |
| infobot | liar is, like, me | 21:00 |
| infobot | No manual entry for woman | 21:00 |
| Tofe | :D | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~attack vi__ | 21:00 |
| vi__ | I think that is funny. | 21:00 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing vi__ | 21:00 | |
| Tofe | infobot is a "she" ? | 21:00 |
| Tofe | ~gender infobot | 21:01 |
| infobot | I heard infobot is sexless. | 21:01 |
| javispedro | depends on the hour of day | 21:01 |
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| Tofe | I see... | 21:01 |
| vi__ | as close to a 'she' that you get on the internet. | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~rape Tofe | 21:01 |
| * infobot takes Tofe behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 21:01 | |
| Tofe | Ah ! Romance... | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite tacky ;-) | 21:02 |
| vi__ | also it turms out I like motorbikes more than computers. | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, for me it's usually "she" | 21:03 |
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| javispedro | vi__: mid life crisis? | 21:03 |
| Tofe | vi__: well, you don't crash a motorbike very often, usually the first is the good one | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if only to pollish our terrible gender ratio here | 21:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so loving motorbikes more sounds like end-live crisis X-P | 21:05 |
| vi__ | javispedro: a bit early! | 21:05 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: you mean murdercycles? | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 21:05 |
| kerio | vi__: or maybe your life is unusually short | 21:05 |
| vi__ | kerio: everyones life is short. | 21:06 |
| kerio | a midlife crisis in your 40s implies you'll live to 80 | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my friend and neighbour and landlord starts a massive attack with smoke and fire in the garden in front of my kitchen window | 21:06 |
| kerio | a midlife crisis in your 20s implies you'll live to 40 | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I should go down and steal his BBQ | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 21:07 |
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| vi__ | Woody14619: yo | 21:07 |
| * zeq1 is on the road | 21:08 | |
| vi__ | Anyway, the offer stands. | 21:08 |
| vi__ | zeq1: and on the internet at the same time??? what is this wichcraft? | 21:08 |
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| Woody14619 | and sd69... Council meeting time. :) | 21:08 |
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| vi__ | Woody14619: where? | 21:09 |
| Woody14619 | #maemo-meetig | 21:09 |
| Woody14619 | #maemo-meeting that is | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, reminds me to read up backlog chanlogs of yesterday | 21:09 |
| javispedro | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/12/q3/e23/Pic-1.png | 21:10 |
| javispedro | ^^ what happens when you let your ACLs loose! | 21:10 |
| javispedro | fun thing is that, apart from renaming $USER to "Everyone", I think there's at least one valid way to make windows show that :) | 21:11 |
| Tofe | Ok, I give up with DBus. There won't be any status icon right now. Grrr ! | 21:12 |
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| Tofe | oh, but wait... maybe I should actually use the system bus. Sounds quite reasonable -- if not necessary -- for a daemon. | 21:16 |
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| teotwaki_ | Reflection in C++, didn't think it'd ever be possible. Luckily, I was wrong. | 22:23 |
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| javispedro | teotwaki_: are you talking about qt or cxx2012? | 22:25 |
| javispedro | *2011 | 22:26 |
| jonwil | I recon QT is the nicest UI toolkit I have ever used :) | 22:26 |
| teotwaki_ | Neither. | 22:26 |
| teotwaki_ | javispedro: http://kifri.fri.uniza.sk/~chochlik/mirror-lib/html/ | 22:26 |
| jonwil | better than gtk and better than the Windows API | 22:26 |
| teotwaki_ | jonwil: not really difficult on both accounts. | 22:27 |
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| javispedro | teotwaki_: cxx2011 then ;) "... should be usable with any compiler implementing the C++11 features" | 22:27 |
| teotwaki_ | javispedro: It's not actually C++11 based. | 22:27 |
| teotwaki_ | javispedro: It just his implementation leverages some C++11 features, though, to be honest, it's C++0x he implements, not C++11. Initially, it was written on C++03, but he did a rewrite. | 22:28 |
| javispedro | I assume it's like what qt does, with some external parser | 22:28 |
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| teotwaki_ | except that Qt only provides introspection at best, no reflection. Also, Qt requires meta annotations littered in the source code, which this doesn't require. | 22:29 |
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| javispedro | teotwaki_: I think it does, what do you understand by reflection anyway? | 22:31 |
| teotwaki_ | javispedro: introspection is when you're able to deduce type information, in a generic fashion. For example Object & object = get<Foo>(); object.hasProperty("bar"); | 22:32 |
| teotwaki_ | reflection is the ability to modify the values, meta-data, properties and functions of a type at run-time, or compile-time in the case of compile-time reflection. | 22:33 |
| javispedro | ok, so I stopped at changing values and executing functions :) | 22:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF with infobot?? | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | another netspilt, another downtime? | 23:19 |
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| kerio | infobot: hi! | 23:35 |
| infobot | hi | 23:35 |
| kerio | awwww :3 | 23:35 |
| kerio | does anyone know if there's a way to disable the accelerometer in enigma? | 23:36 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what's the fastest way to drain the battery? | 23:47 |
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| kerio | ~bq24200.sh | 23:54 |
| kerio | hm | 23:54 |
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