IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2012-07-17

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kerio	freemangordon: how do fcam drivers work with cssu-kernel?	00:16
Muelli	wow, somebody seems to have updated the "power user" kernel... Interesting..	00:18
freemangordon	kerio: NFC. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1235235&postcount=345	00:19
kerio	that's not fcam, that's bless900	00:20
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freemangordon	kerio: afaik it uses fcam drivers	00:22
luke-jr	FWIW, Gentoo's kernel has fcam merged into it (ie, not a separate package)	00:22
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luke-jr	well, Gentoo/N900	00:23
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RiD	noobmode. I accidentally enabled cursor on applications, how do i disable it?	01:09
RiD	it appears on applications like FAPMAN and so on	01:10
RiD	..aand nevermind ^	01:15
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Estel_	DocScrutinizer, I was able to repair keyboard, that I've mentioned about having "overactive" z. To my pleasant surprise, disassembling domesheet was piece of cake, same for assembling	03:06
Estel_	it turned out that this devil is only scarry on paintings.	03:06
RiD	"domesheet" that word always get me	03:06
Estel_	Unsticking white adhesive was very easy, without any pre-heating -it seem to be containing this kind of glue, that can be sticked and unsticked many times, easidly, without loosing adhesivness	03:07
Estel_	RiD, why? :)	03:07
Estel_	design of this keyboard is very simple and very clever, effective...	03:07
RiD	"to ma pleashant shurpraise disassembling da dome sh-t was a piece of cake"	03:07
RiD	talking about keyboard, are your keyboard keys wearing out?	03:08
RiD	some of my keys are looking horrid	03:08
Estel_	metal plates are easidly removable and attachable to other place. As long as You have this metal thing ok (or You manage to bring it ok via hot/cold) it's pleasure to repair	03:08
Estel_	RiD, hehe, mine doesn't in any way	03:09
RiD	:(	03:09
RiD	mine looks a piece of crap	03:09
Estel_	I was always wondering, are they differrent between revisions, so much?	03:09
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RiD	i think so	03:09
RiD	some were more shiny, others more square-ish	03:09
Estel_	2101 I have seems undestructible	03:09
RiD	well	03:09
Estel_	and I write much on N900 (and fast)	03:09
RiD	how fast?	03:10
Estel_	(even now I'm writing on it)	03:10
RiD	i can't write more than 65wpm on this keyboard	03:10
Estel_	no freaking idea, I've never measured it	03:10
RiD	google 10 fast fingers or so	03:11
Estel_	;)	03:11
RiD	it's a bit ugly to test using the browser anyways	03:11
RiD	it reacts slowly	03:11
Estel_	better tell me, how to send fucking message on fucking facebook using microB. God, how I hate that portal.	03:11
Estel_	Never ever use it, except for now, I must send one freaking message	03:11
RiD	better go to mobile facebook lol	03:12
Estel_	created disposable identity, just for doing it, and trashing as soon as used	03:12
RiD	i hate how facebook is super basic on mobile mode, but now too complex on pc mode	03:12
Estel_	gratz to faceshit, first page I see that doesn't register pressing button, even by cursor mode	03:12
RiD	the old facebook behave just right on microb	03:12
Estel_	how to get old one? ;)	03:13
RiD	you don't	03:13
Estel_	it isn't complex, it is brain fucked	03:13
RiD	well, there used to be greasemonkey scripts to get rid of the new "photo viewer"	03:13
Estel_	it is not so basic, that it even doesn't work	03:13
RiD	that is somewhat iframe-like and therefore sucks on n900	03:13
RiD	i think those still work	03:13
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RiD	test one	03:14
RiD	s/one/two/	03:14
infobot	RiD meant: test two	03:14
RiD	oh nice	03:14
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Estel_	is this fckin mobile shitface available via google, or only via some funky fuckin "app"?	03:15
Estel_	ctcp what?	03:15
RiD	shh	03:15
RiD	mohammad has a decent facebook client, sociality	03:16
RiD	but you can use greasemonkey on microb and then install a script to get rid of photo theater	03:16
RiD	if that's what you want	03:16
RiD	and there were some other scrips to get rid of that top bar that follows you everywhere.	03:16
Estel_	No way, I'm not installing anything facebook related on my precious device, even for sake of... whatever, basically	03:16
RiD	haha	03:17
Estel_	You know funny thing? faceshit doesn't work on easy debian's chromium too	03:17
Estel_	in fact, it works more on microB	03:17
RiD	lol, really?	03:17
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RiD	try opera	03:17
RiD	with pc	03:17
Estel_	yea. Maybe version is to old or whatsnot	03:17
RiD	with pc agent	03:17
Estel_	good idea	03:17
RiD	i like opera a lot actually :p stutter scrolling but it has no issues on managing large images	03:18
Estel_	well, we're updating ED to full wheezy release, so I think it will be compatible soon	03:18
RiD	updating what	03:18
Estel_	I don't like opera , feel restrained on it	03:18
Estel_	easy debian, dist-upgrade	03:18
RiD	oh right	03:19
Estel_	we're actually using squezee-only release for some time	03:19
Estel_	now wheezy is hitting stable	03:19
RiD	funny names	03:19
Estel_	so time to upgrade. Sulu did awesome job, he managed to make newest pulseaudio compatible with Maemo's one	03:19
Estel_	from toy story, IIRC	03:19
Estel_	(names)	03:19
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RiD	taxis, taxis everywhere	03:20
Estel_	as for keyboard, even after full de-sticking of domesheet, sticking it again in correct place was a piece of cake, due to "markers" like hole for screw, etc	03:20
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Estel_	god, there is only one reason, that would make me install sociality, and I must have hit it right now. I just hope, that I can install, provide login credentials, send message, and purge	03:22
Estel_	eh, maybe I should do full backupmenu backup before and restore it after, to avoid feeling dirty	03:22
Estel_	my optfs is only 3.5 GB, what it is, backuping it and restoring, compared to shame of finding some facebook-related left-over config, after - lest say- 2 years	03:23
RiD	well use the mobile facebook site then	03:24
RiD	OH WAIY	03:24
RiD	DONT INSTALL SOCIALITY!	03:24
RiD	i remember now...	03:24
RiD	facebook api doesn't let you send private messages. only view	03:24
RiD	and that's what you want to do ... LOL	03:24
Estel_	well, I just realized that my disgust for facebook is so strong that I can't manage to hit install button :P	03:24
Estel_	woooot?	03:25
Estel_	nice	03:25
Estel_	sure	03:25
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ashdgf	~rape facebook	03:25
* infobot takes facebook behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams		03:25
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Estel_	well, thanks for warning :P	03:25
RiD	hehe	03:25
RiD	i should not have said that	03:25
RiD	to see you getting all pissed off when you realize you can't send a message	03:26
Estel_	kingdom for deriving real mail from freaking facebook account	03:26
Estel_	hehe	03:26
Estel_	No, seriously, I preffered to travel ~200 fckn miles, to meet someone in person, instead of using this fckd in head portal	03:27
Estel_	I just got bad timing - forget that academic year ended, so no way to meet at time and place I supposed to :P	03:28
RiD	how old are you, might I assk?	03:28
RiD	s/assk/ask/	03:28
infobot	RiD meant: how old are you, might I ask?	03:28
Estel_	well. I'll try via iceweasel on easy debian, hah! N900 > faceshit	03:30
Estel_	hhahahaha!	03:36
Estel_	RiD, You know what? at the end, I managed to send it via microB	03:36
Estel_	good old microB	03:36
Estel_	should I feel offended via this question? :P	03:37
RiD	the age? no	03:37
Estel_	let me count. I hate this question, always must count it. Lady in passport department looked at me stramgely, probably though if I'm pretending to be someone	03:38
Estel_	no worries, I was joking	03:38
Estel_	fuck, 24	03:38
RiD	ah nice	03:38
RiD	now i know where you live	03:38
Estel_	I'm sure no less than year ago I was 23 :/	03:38
Estel_	no problem ;)	03:39
Estel_	but, where I do?	03:39
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RiD	In the world	03:39
Estel_	...and You needed age to get that conclusion?	03:39
RiD	yes, it's crucial data	03:40
Estel_	I wonder where would I live, if I would answer 17687 years old	03:40
RiD	somewhere around antartida	03:40
Estel_	... hey, how ya know?	03:40
RiD	which is what an online game says when it can't figure out twhere i live from my ip	03:40
Estel_	s/ya know/would'ya know/	03:41
infobot	Estel_ meant: ... hey, how would'ya know?	03:41
Estel_	well, it's almost like pirate's bays dating adverts, that show me "meet dating girls in poland" with photos of asians only	03:41
Estel_	;)	03:42
RiD	you have ads? :o	03:42
Estel_	only the funny ones.	03:42
RiD	AdBlockPlus is wonderful	03:42
Estel_	true	03:42
Estel_	but it eats my precious 0.00001% of processing power!	03:43
Estel_	no, seriously	03:43
RiD	i have an android tablet and i have to admit, it's really comfortable to browse with.	03:43
Estel_	it is great tool, but I use noscript with whitelist, so by default, I don't see 99% of adds anyway	03:43
RiD	Fast, smooth, supports flash and so on. but has no ad blocking software support	03:44
RiD	makes me mad ^	03:44
Estel_	well, I feel it very comfortable to browse on N900, with chromium, for example	03:44
Estel_	well, I suppose it also have problem with copy and paste? :P	03:44
RiD	microb shows its age on certain websites :/	03:44
RiD	YES	03:44
RiD	sometimes copying won't copy, silly android	03:45
Estel_	sure, You need xyz cores on tablet, to browse read-only sites :P	03:45
RiD	but thats pretty much i use the tablet for - browsing. and it does a nice job	03:45
RiD	its a samsung galaxy tab 10.1	03:45
Estel_	for that, You can use 10 years old netbook :P	03:45
RiD	i couldn't refuse buying it, it was 70% the normal price	03:45
RiD	+ free 1GB per month 5/5 Mbps sim card	03:46
Estel_	I also couldn't, if it would be 30% of normal price. Then I would sell it ;)	03:46
RiD	for unlimited time	03:46
RiD	wait i mean it was 40%.	03:46
Estel_	have You heard that there are no free dinners?	03:46
RiD	it was my mother's company who got a new internet isp	03:47
RiD	and it's office box b.s.	03:47
Estel_	but it reminds me, that it's time to get new contract with my mobile carrier	03:47
RiD	as a plus for them, for 130€ they would get the tablet and that simcard	03:47
RiD	my father ended up paying the 130euros, and so we now have the tablet and the sim card with free internet (1gb as max, per month)	03:48
RiD	for at least 2 years, since that's the contract minimal time	03:48
Estel_	well, I'm probably going to get new contract without device, but ultra-cheap monthly fee	03:49
Estel_	if not, device for sale, immediately	03:49
RiD	haha	03:49
RiD	the tablet other than browsing is of no big use anyways	03:50
RiD	i installed some games to have some portable fun and that's it	03:50
Estel_	agree, kinda wasted resources	03:50
RiD	but well, the price was delicious anyways	03:50
Estel_	try X-Plane slices, they're best poor android have to offer	03:50
Estel_	yep	03:50
RiD	i could easily sell it for 250€ right now	03:51
Estel_	except that gaming/browsing tblet for 130 euro sounds kinda overpriced. But You can always sell it, when bored	03:51
Estel_	hehe, same thought	03:51
RiD	well, it's actually useful for a while so	03:52
Estel_	faceshit have some funny propositions for me, when filling "job" field	03:52
Estel_	NSA	03:52
Estel_	MOSAD	03:52
Estel_	well, tommorow they will offer "Cosanostra" too ;)	03:52
Estel_	or Yakuza	03:52
RiD	mosad lol	03:53
Estel_	seriously	03:53
Estel_	they even have mosad logo	03:53
RiD	mwahahah	03:53
RiD	i've seen llama as a suggestion for the job field	03:53
Estel_	0_o	03:53
Estel_	job - "serial killer"	03:53
Estel_	hey, is there "mercenary"?	03:54
RiD	nonno	03:54
RiD	you fill serial killer	03:54
Estel_	what a discrimination	03:54
RiD	and facebook says:	03:54
RiD	you might also want to check out these jobs: suicide bomber, mercenary, pedophile	03:54
Estel_	hahaha	03:54
Estel_	I wonder "friends" it might suggest	03:55
Estel_	Manson	03:55
RiD	"scumbag drug dealer1"	03:55
Estel_	Joe the Ripper	03:55
RiD	"scumbag drug dealer2"	03:55
Estel_	:P	03:55
RiD	GodFather	03:55
Estel_	opus dei... :P	03:56
Estel_	You know, that automaticaly opening ceiling on london stadion have own twitter profile?	03:56
Estel_	I wonder, what it tweets	03:56
Estel_	"I'm opening"	03:56
Estel_	"I'm closing"	03:56
Estel_	and so goes on, probably	03:57
Estel_	or does it have philosophical thoughts?	03:57
RiD	by the way, n900 dictionary is silly	03:57
RiD	i wanted to type jesus	03:57
RiD	typed instead "ej"	03:57
Estel_	or maybe it's republican with "fuck the queen!"	03:57
RiD	and then it suggested ejaculation. ..	03:57
Estel_	lmao	03:57
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Estel_	I don't use it, honeslty. Have nice habit of adding password fields to dictionary	03:58
RiD	does that to me too	03:58
RiD	i never found myself using it either	03:58
RiD	but i occasionally do, for extra long words	03:58
Estel_	IIRC, I've deleted databases and replaced them with dummy files without writing permissions	03:59
Estel_	or smth like that	03:59
RiD	hmm, looks like there are 271 idlers	04:00
RiD	sleepy boys	04:00
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RiD	oh well, going to listen to some music then sleep	04:04
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RiD	it's time to say goodbye	04:25
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LaoLang_cool	It would be better if I can set the clock by numbers on hardware keyboard.	10:32
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DocScrutinizer06	LaoLang_cool: well, you're preaching to the choir	10:42
DocScrutinizer06	timepicker and datepicker slotmachines are my favourite object to focus all my hate on them	10:43
joga	heh...they're pretty horrid	10:44
ShadowJK	the only things in m5 that's vsynced	10:44
DocScrutinizer06	yeah, but iPhone'ish	10:45
* DocScrutinizer06 idly ponders to watch what became of his comment/bugticket on dev.nokia.com about slotmachine idiocy		10:46
ShadowJK	From news article about new ms office, it sounded like ms has replaced every font picker and menu thing with similar rotating sliding things in new office :P	10:47
LaoLang_cool	DocScrutinizer06, with hardware keyboard, I can pick time quicklk in some cases.	10:49
LaoLang_cool	s/qucklk/quickly/	10:49
StyXman	DocScrutinizer06: add to that the clock use to se the hour when you turn on the phone for the first time	10:50
DocScrutinizer06	yeah, the only place where they got it right, and that one isn't available as a widget anywhere	10:51
DocScrutinizer06	on HARM the situation is kinda similar: MTF has a nice rotary dial with "hands" like a clock, but it's deprecated and none of the Q* frameworks has anything like that	10:52
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kerio	the clock-like time picker is awful	11:11
kerio	nowadays i just push "ok" and then sync the time with ntp or gps	11:13
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StyXman	hmm, ntp...	11:16
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DocScrutinizer06	kerio: it's a number of magnitudes better than the slotmachine timepicker	11:31
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StyXman	DocScrutinizer06: both are hard to use. the slotmachines are also slow	11:38
StyXman	specially with minutes and days of month	11:38
DocScrutinizer06	StyXman: slotmachine for date has a number of severe shortcomings, too many to list them here right now	11:39
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kerio	well, what are you (the cssu dudes) waiting for?	11:45
ShadowJK	i think "slotmachine" describes the biggest problem well	11:45
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tox6	can someone tell me what symton code 4101 means	11:56
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psycho_oreos	symton?	11:57
tox6	symptom	11:58
tox6	sorry	11:58
psycho_oreos	and from where did you see that?	11:58
tox6	on the nokia extended warranty check	11:58
tox6	on a printout they gave me	11:59
psycho_oreos	they gave you a print out with the numbers 4101.. that's not very useful isn't it?	11:59
tox6	they said the phone had been scrapped prior to me buying is and gave me a printout with this code on it	12:00
tox6	this 4101 was supposed to be the reason it was scrapped	12:01
psycho_oreos	my guess that 4101 could be the device's revision number. I can't see it being a symptom code without any further relevant information in regarding to it as being an issue	12:02
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psycho_oreos	so let me guess, you had to get your N900 repaired and they scrapped it for you?	12:04
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tox6	the phone was bought from a compan y on ebay	12:07
tox6	just on phone to nolia	12:07
tox6	nokia	12:07
tox6	typing with one finger sorry	12:08
tox6	but they are reluctant to tell me what code 4101 means	12:08
psycho_oreos	lol I guess that's nokia for you	12:09
tox6	I am off the phone now	12:09
tox6	in the first instance before I had told them the imei number of the phone they said it had been liquid damaged	12:10
psycho_oreos	from my best guesses, 4101 is revision number, every N900 has a revision number which is visible in a fair few places: 1) the packaging box, 2) through the flasher tool and 3) enabling r&d mode and seeing the green stuff printed over the nokia logo	12:11
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tox6	but they could not possibly have been able to say that if they didn't have the phone details	12:11
tox6	no its not a revision number its what they call a symptom code	12:12
psycho_oreos	well whoever scrapped it for you would have probably entered that information into a database of some sort	12:12
tox6	its the reason they scrapped this phone	12:12
psycho_oreos	if that's the case then maybe liquid damaged = symptom code 4101?	12:12
tox6	the phone was bought off ebay sold as new by a company called cellphoneforever	12:12
psycho_oreos	ahh that mob..	12:13
* psycho_oreos recalls of that thread about the same ebay seller selling second hand (presumably stolen too) N900 as new or refurbished		12:14
tox6	but when I took the phone to the nokia care center yesterday they told me this phone had originally been sold in Australia and was scrapped by nokia	12:14
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psycho_oreos	yeah I think that's quite normal coming from that ebay seller	12:14
psycho_oreos	how much did you pay for it?	12:15
tox6	the think is nokia are being a little dishonest trying to distance themselves by say this was liquid damaged and was sent back to the owner but nokia could not possibly know that without the imei number in other words they made that excuse up to absolve themselves I paid £129	12:16
psycho_oreos	hmm almost the price of brand new N900 back then.. would have been ripped off	12:17
tox6	on the printed I got from the nokia repair centre it says it was scrapped because of symptom code 4101	12:17
tox6	but the phone was scrapped in Australia 06-05-2011	12:18
psycho_oreos	did you ask the staff there what exactly is symptom code 4101?	12:18
tox6	I could do with know what symptom code 4101 means	12:18
tox6	nokia wont tell me	12:18
psycho_oreos	I wouldn't personally know, I don't work in nokia..	12:19
tox6	I think they want to taylor their response to keep them out of this	12:19
psycho_oreos	in the worst case scenario I could only say that you have been ripped off from cellphonesforever. There was a rather nice tmo thread about this	12:20
tox6	I think this cellphoneforever company might be the company which nokia sends the scrpped phones to and they are reselling some of them as new on ebay	12:20
psycho_oreos	that would be quite hillarious, people in the know purchasing second hand devices as new would be ripped off. Surely cellphonesforever can't be that naive to not realise they're not going to make profit if people started realising they were ripped off and gave the seller bad rating	12:21
tox6	ebay have refused to disclose the seller address details as well	12:22
psycho_oreos	they normally would, but there might be ways to dispute the case by saying that you were ripped off. Not saying that there's any guarantees but hopefully you'll make a dent on their (cellphonesforever) reputation	12:23
tox6	yes	12:23
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psycho_oreos	actually.. I just double checked the conversion rates and I was well off the mark there in terms of what you paid for would be close to the actual price for the device when it was brand new	12:25
psycho_oreos	but in either cases I wouldn't expect one to be selling N900 brand new.. nokia stopped manufacturing N900 ages ago and the people that tried to get their N900 repaired either got their N900 replaced with something that isn't even a maemo device or potentially a refurbished device	12:27
StyXman	psycho_oreos: ough, now I undestand why mine looks refurbished	12:28
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psycho_oreos	StyXman, not saying that it is but the last I went on tmo I've been constantly hearing that N900 owners are often been given N8/E7. The `replacement' N900 (or was supposed to be..) was what I started hearing later on mostly through irc	12:30
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StyXman	psycho_oreos: I mean, I bouhgt it from the same vendor	12:31
StyXman	but I can't find the thread in tmpo	12:32
StyXman	only a short poll	12:32
psycho_oreos	StyXman, ... cellphonesforever?	12:32
StyXman	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82842&highlight=cellphonesforever	12:32
StyXman	psycho_oreos: yeah, or something similar	12:32
StyXman	IRRC there are two similarly called	12:32
tox6	nokia is on phone again	12:33
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psycho_oreos	StyXman, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78605 <--- missing an extra s in cellphones	12:34
psycho_oreos	that was the thread that I responded	12:34
StyXman	psycho_oreos: ack	12:34
psycho_oreos	rather I responded with checking out the seller's info	12:34
psycho_oreos	StyXman, also searching for `cellphoneforever' instead of `cellphonesforever' yields plenty more results	12:36
kerio	gaaaah	12:41
psycho_oreos	heh even that link you posted had a user saying that cellphonesforever seems to be selling OEM/refurbished goods as new	12:41
kerio	why doesn't the file picker in microB work	12:41
kerio	fucking bullshit	12:41
* psycho_oreos bets cellphoneforever == cellphonesforever		12:41
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StyXman	well, mine looks like some liquid has been inside, and the usb port does not work for chargingn anymore (even when it looks firmly attached)	12:49
psycho_oreos	I'd get that microUSB port resoldered if I can. As for the liquid spillage that happened prior to your ownership.. there's no other real alternatives but to use the device as it is until it eventually becomes unusable	12:54
jacekowski	well, clean it with IPA	12:55
jacekowski	you can pretty much just spray ipa directly onto main board	12:56
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* psycho_oreos thought of a whacky idea and that is to soak N900 entirely into a tub of non-conductable oil and to use N900 permanently in that tub		13:01
psycho_oreos	at least the rust won't be able to eat any further lol, it cannot breathe for starters :D	13:02
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StyXman	jacekowski: IPA?	13:17
StyXman	Isopropyl alcohol	13:17
jacekowski	yes	13:18
StyXman	I should try	13:19
StyXman	any technique in particular, besides swabbing/rubbing it ?	13:20
jacekowski	well ideally you would leave it in ipa for some time	13:21
jacekowski	shaking it and everything	13:21
jacekowski	to make sure it can disolve everything	13:21
jacekowski	just the main board	13:21
jacekowski	as it will disolve plastic	13:21
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StyXman	not including the various films that support conducting lines?	13:23
StyXman	f.i., the ont connecting to the module close to the camera and the usb port...	13:24
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skope	wtf whole mobo in alcohol?	13:26
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jacekowski	ahm	13:27
jacekowski	i forgot about the camera	13:27
jacekowski	that may disolve	13:27
RiD	you are a bit nuts, aren't you?	13:28
skope	a bit	13:28
StyXman	ugh	13:28
jacekowski	StyXman: well, distilled water is safe	13:28
StyXman	hehehehe	13:28
jacekowski	StyXman: if you use normal water to dissolve most of the stuff	13:29
jacekowski	StyXman: and then rinse it with distilled	13:29
jacekowski	and then dry it on a heater	13:29
StyXman	heater as in hair dryer?	13:29
StyXman	sunrays work? :-P	13:29
jacekowski	well, depends on how much you trust your oven	13:29
jacekowski	if you can set it to 40C and not any more	13:30
jacekowski	you can dry it in there	13:30
StyXman	not much, it's electric and I'm not used to it	13:30
StyXman	definetely not try to set it at 40 or so	13:30
jacekowski	then hair dryer would do	13:30
RiD	but why are you talking about cooking an n900?	13:30
StyXman	it's not that precise	13:30
StyXman	RiD: om nom!	13:31
jacekowski	RiD: well, that liquid that was spilled on it	13:31
jacekowski	RiD: what was it	13:31
psycho_oreos	RiD, StyXman has got a refurbished N900 and he reckons the N900 has been through some liquid spillagfe	13:31
psycho_oreos	s/spillagfe/spillage/	13:31
infobot	psycho_oreos meant: RiD, StyXman has got a refurbished N900 and he reckons the N900 has been through some liquid spillage	13:31
RiD	ok	13:32
RiD	.....o_o	13:32
StyXman	jacekowski: dunno, the stans look a little like copper rust	13:32
StyXman	I'll post photos some day	13:32
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psycho_oreos	could it be coffee?	13:32
StyXman	stains*	13:32
StyXman	psycho_oreos: no, more green than brown	13:32
StyXman	as in liberty statue green	13:33
* psycho_oreos thinks of green tea		13:33
jacekowski	StyXman: they use IPA in most PCB places to clean boards after assembly	13:33
jacekowski	StyXman: so IPA should be safe for non removable things	13:33
jacekowski	but camera is removable	13:33
StyXman	jacekowski: yeah, so I heard from some electronic geeks I know	13:33
jacekowski	it's just very complicated to remove	13:34
jacekowski	but water will be safe for everything	13:34
jacekowski	and then deionised water to rinse it	13:34
StyXman	jacekowski: I'l give it a try, altho I already failed disasembling a battery pack from my NB	13:34
jacekowski	it's not as good as IPA	13:34
psycho_oreos	except you need to dry the device properly after soaking the device in it	13:34
jacekowski	yeah, with IPA you don't have to bother with drying it will evaporate pretty much instantly on it's own	13:35
StyXman	well, an hour under the mediterranean sun should do, I guess	13:35
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jacekowski	with water you will have to dry it	13:35
jacekowski	yeah, then blow it with hairdryer to make sure it's all gone from small places	13:35
jacekowski	like from under bga chips and stuff	13:35
psycho_oreos	you could dry it as much as you can with microfibre cloth and if you could get your hands on maybe a soup bowl full of silica gel to dip your device in, that'd be handy as well	13:36
Lava_Croft	dont use cheap quality microfibre cloth	13:36
Lava_Croft	they leave tissue	13:37
* psycho_oreos doesn't think heating is a good way to treat a device that has already been heat treated (i.e. when the boards and chips were made).		13:37
jacekowski	well, paper towel would do it as well	13:37
jacekowski	as long as you blow it after	13:37
Lava_Croft	i prefer the expensive kind of paper towels	13:37
jacekowski	psycho_oreos: that's why i said 40C	13:37
Lava_Croft	less residue	13:37
jacekowski	60C is safe as well	13:38
jacekowski	but 40C leaves a lot more margin for error	13:38
psycho_oreos	jacekowski, I dunno shrugs I reckon that is still a bit too high. If it were me I completely avoid any heat treatment	13:38
jacekowski	40C is ambient temperature in some places	13:38
psycho_oreos	well yeah it is but to trust an oven :)	13:39
psycho_oreos	and I　think decent microfibre cloths can be bought from car accessories shops	13:40
Lava_Croft	or people selling professional cleaning stuff:)	13:40
Lava_Croft	or if you have a good cleaner at your office orso, from them:)	13:40
Lava_Croft	the cleaner always has a stash of the things you happen to need	13:40
psycho_oreos	I'm a bit of a car nut so I still go get microfibre cloth from car accessories retailers myself.	13:42
vi_	psycho_oreos: what car do you have?	13:42
Lava_Croft	psycho_oreos: ones with visible fibre or the more smooth-ish ones	13:43
psycho_oreos	vi_, Eg something like this: http://imgc.classistatic.com/cps/blnc/120610/919r1/754487i_20.jpeg	13:44
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Lava_Croft	o...	13:44
psycho_oreos	Lava_Croft, for my car I use the visible fibre but I also happen to have smoothish ones when I do internal detailing	13:44
Lava_Croft	the visible fibre ones are better	13:45
Lava_Croft	the visible fibre ones also come in a special form for glass surfaces	13:45
Lava_Croft	which has much less visible fibre-ends	13:45
psycho_oreos	heh I personally thought it was the opposite	13:45
Lava_Croft	naw	13:45
Lava_Croft	im a professional cleaner:)	13:45
Lava_Croft	not the kind you see at your trainstation;)	13:45
Lava_Croft	the visible fibre ones are better in our experience	13:46
psycho_oreos	lol	13:46
Lava_Croft	and we clean houses that belong to rich folks etc :\|	13:46
Lava_Croft	lots of high gloss white and black etc	13:46
psycho_oreos	heh black and white, the direct contrast of each other imo	13:46
psycho_oreos	err direct opposite	13:46
Lava_Croft	yes, but the worst surfaces to keep clean	13:46
Lava_Croft	thats why i chose em as example	13:47
psycho_oreos	indeed, white ones imo are worse than black	13:47
Lava_Croft	high gloss red is another shit one to keep looking dust-free	13:47
Lava_Croft	high gloss black is worse	13:47
psycho_oreos	:o	13:47
Lava_Croft	dust particles are much better visible on that	13:47
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Lava_Croft	you clean a highgloss black kitchen, turn around, exhale and zing	13:47
Lava_Croft	all dusty again	13:47
Lava_Croft	fingerprints also show much worse on black	13:48
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psycho_oreos	yeah I think they usually leave grey marks	13:48
psycho_oreos	greyish sort of smudge	13:48
Lava_Croft	we use a waterspray with some alcohol in it and those fibre-ish microfibre cloths	13:49
Lava_Croft	works really well	13:49
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Lava_Croft	say 90% water 10% alcohol orso	13:49
Lava_Croft	maybe even less alcohol	13:49
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vi_	psycho_oreos: I am disappoint.	13:54
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Lava_Croft	vi_: thats an understatement the size of Nokia's blind spot	14:03
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kerio	i has a usb AF-AF adapter! :D	14:04
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: hm, providing power to the device before enumerating it didn't work for me - is that intended?	14:09
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vi_	psycho_oreos: did you see this car?	14:09
vi_	http://www.ppcmag.co.uk/old-car-info/rover-sd1-27-litre-v12.html	14:09
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jacekowski	hmm, 27l	14:13
jacekowski	it's probably doing like 100l/100k	14:13
jacekowski	100km*	14:13
vi_	Apparently he fitted an LPG kit to try and tame the fuel costs a little bit.	14:13
vi_	I have a soft spot for cars retro-fitted with plane/tank engines.	14:14
merlin1991	what's an lpg kit?	14:15
vi_	Liquid petroleum gas.	14:16
vi_	merlin1991: In the uk LPG is taxed FAR less than petrol.	14:16
vi_	So it works out around 1/3 cheaper.	14:16
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jacekowski	vi_: everywhere	14:17
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dhbiker	jacekowski: Bentley Blower does 100l/100k	14:17
dhbiker	:D	14:17
jacekowski	vi_: and it's a lot cheaper even if taxes were at same level	14:17
vi_	Another favourite is John dodds 'the beast'.	14:17
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kerio	Pali: now i can use host mode	14:18
vi_	It was a 28-litre Merlin v12 as used in the WW2 spitfire fighter plane.	14:18
kerio	have you kicked the autobuilder into submission yet?	14:18
vi_	Apparently it only made around 900bHP as he did not have the super chargers to go with it.	14:18
dhbiker	lol	14:19
vi_	You must understand this was put in a homemade chassis, built in a shed in the 70's.	14:19
vi_	The owner was a nutjob too.	14:19
vi_	He put a Rolls royce grille on the front, homage to the Rolls Royce engine.	14:19
vi_	They tried to sue him for this...	14:20
vi_	...He turned up for court on a white horse.	14:20
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dhbiker	xD	14:20
vi_	The car was later restored by John Dodd's son Paul Dodd and he also has a 2050 bhp (1530 kW) twin-supercharged Rolls-Royce Griffon 37 litre engine from a late-model Spitfire he is willing to put in a car if somebody would be interested in buying it.	14:22
vi_	^holy shit.	14:22
StyXman	vi_: LPG== gas?	14:22
vi_	StyXman: yes	14:22
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dhbiker	37 litre ?	14:23
dhbiker	good fuel economy i guess	14:23
RiD	it's 2€ for 1 liter of petrol	14:23
dhbiker	1.4€ here	14:24
RiD	that's 160€ to fill a 80 liter tank	14:24
RiD	dhbiker diesel is 1,64€ here sigh	14:24
dhbiker	before we went into EU it was about 0.3€	14:24
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jacekowski	StyXman: it's not gas if you are american	14:29
StyXman	jacekowski: well, technically I'm from the american continent, but south of río grande	14:29
jacekowski	StyXman: it's gas as in gaseous	14:29
jacekowski	not gas as in petrol	14:30
jacekowski	it's liquefied petroleum gas	14:30
jacekowski	it's a gas at pressure high enough that it's a liquid	14:30
StyXman	yah, we call it compressed natural gas	14:31
jacekowski	no	14:31
jacekowski	that's a different thing	14:31
jacekowski	CNG != LPG	14:31
jacekowski	CNG == methane	14:31
StyXman	aha	14:31
jacekowski	hmm	14:31
jacekowski	not methane	14:31
StyXman	wp says methane	14:32
jacekowski	yeah	14:35
jacekowski	methane	14:35
jacekowski	LPG is more like a lighter gas	14:36
jacekowski	it's pretty much the same thing	14:36
StyXman	propane or butane says WP	14:36
jacekowski	yeah, same thing	14:36
jacekowski	slightly different mix	14:36
StyXman	we used to burn propane at home before they laid the natural gas lines	14:37
StyXman	but same principle	14:37
jacekowski	CNG is much better if you want to run your car on it	14:37
jacekowski	cheaper in long run	14:37
StyXman	I'm not picky on my gas choices :)	14:37
jacekowski	safer	14:37
StyXman	it's what we have in .ar	14:37
jacekowski	LNG if something goes wrong, you're going to end up with pool of liquid gas ready to explode	14:37
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jacekowski	and it will take hours to evaporate	14:38
StyXman	well, gas tanks have exploded before	14:38
sLumPia	.irchighway.net	14:38
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jacekowski	CNG, if it leaks, it will be a gas	14:38
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jacekowski	and will clear up much faster therefore	14:38
jacekowski	+ you can get it cheap from gas mains	14:39
jacekowski	and all you need is a compressor	14:39
jacekowski	so you can get it tax free	14:39
jacekowski	it's probably very illegal	14:39
jacekowski	but people do it	14:40
StyXman	and yes, they had used propane tanks as cheap gnc tanks	14:40
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kerio	does the file browser work for someone, in microB?	15:03
kerio	to upload files and the like	15:03
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psycho_oreos	vi_, why disappoint? that link reminds me of the predecessor to Jay Leno's tank car	15:12
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StyXman	vi_: any car with a tempest's napier sabre IIA?	15:27
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psycho_oreos	the days of excessive number of pistons is outnumbered unless its in W configuration. These days manufacturers tend to push on with the idea of turbocharging/supercharging	15:36
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vi_	psycho_oreos: The correct number of pistons is 1.	15:38
vi_	psycho_oreos: The correct number of wheels is 2.	15:38
psycho_oreos	vi_, mower powered pushbike?	15:39
vi_	-_-	15:39
vi_	psycho_oreos: Thumpers for life!	15:39
psycho_oreos	vi_, and piston is 1, pistons isn't 1 :)	15:39
psycho_oreos	Thumpers?	15:39
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StyXman	psycho_oreos: maybe this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumper_%28motorcycle%29#Single	16:14
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psycho_oreos	ahh thosee	16:17
psycho_oreos	s/thosee/those/	16:17
infobot	psycho_oreos meant: ahh those	16:17
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StyXman	motorbikes that go pupf pupf pupf pupf	16:17
StyXman	you can actualy hear evry single stroke	16:18
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dhbiker	meh motorcycles	16:30
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DocScrutinizer51	10L 1 piston diesel trecker	16:48
DocScrutinizer51	with a huuuge steel wheel on the crankshaft	16:49
StyXman	'lycrap	16:50
StyXman	url?	16:50
StyXman	I mean, that exists?	16:50
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DocScrutinizer51	http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Lanz_Bulldog_1928.jpg&filetimestamp=20060303160209	16:53
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DocScrutinizer51	ok, this one only 6.2L	16:55
DocScrutinizer51	I thinks there's been a 10L model as well	16:55
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cehteh	Treibstoff: alles von Teeröl bis Benzin :)	16:56
DocScrutinizer51	1 gear	16:56
DocScrutinizer51	reverse by reversing motor	16:57
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DocScrutinizer51	IIRC you start it by heating it 10 min with a welder flame	17:00
vi_	That is to pre-combust the wick.	17:01
DocScrutinizer51	anybody knows of any SiliconErrata in OMAP4 regarding IRQ handling?	17:01
vi_	Nope.	17:01
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kerio	DocScrutinizer51: are you going to update h-e-n to use the KP51 stuff?	17:12
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DocScrutinizer51	eventually	17:14
kerio	will there be a need for h-e-n if Pali releases the enhanced battery meter with the integrated usb hostmode switch?	17:15
kerio	or will that become h-e-n?	17:15
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DocScrutinizer51	dunno	17:16
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DocScrutinizer51	since all that stuff is a)still experimental and b)alternative/optional for the foreseeable future I guess there can be both	17:18
DocScrutinizer51	h-e-n always been and will stay a kernel patch, the gui is just sooo minimalistic functionality-wise... I don't mind it getting replaced by anything better	17:21
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kerio	i see	17:22
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DocScrutinizer51	actually I could come up with a h-e-n gui shellscript 20-liner using zenity, in 2h	17:24
kerio	hm, what else is there in hostmode-gui?	17:24
kerio	the scripts that do stuff and the GUI that runs them?	17:24
DocScrutinizer51	yep	17:25
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DocScrutinizer51	3 or 4 write() to szsfs nodes, and a system() call to start my booston script	17:26
DocScrutinizer51	actually yhe "boost" button is cruft, could get attached to the 3 speed selectors	17:27
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DocScrutinizer51	and the enum button could be replaced by a sleep 15 if we check for success and repeat on failure	17:32
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kerio	why do we need an explicit "enumerate" button?	17:45
merlin1991	for the fun of it ;)	17:46
merlin1991	but mainly because we can only enumerate after the vbus is on	17:46
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StyXman	DocScrutinizer51: WP knows il all. it mentoins the 10l motor	17:48
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StyXman	DocScrutinizer51: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanz_Bulldog <-- copied in .ar too	17:50
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kerio	merlin1991: yeah but why can't we do that automagically?	17:53
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DocScrutinizer51	kerio: I elaborated about enum button 5 lines up	18:16
kerio	no, you said that i can be substituted by a loop	18:16
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kerio	but why do we need an explicit enumeration? can't the kernel just wait for something to be connected?	18:16
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DocScrutinizer51	no, as the usb test mode we use doesn't deliver connect-interrupt	18:17
kerio	i see	18:17
DocScrutinizer51	a PITA	18:19
DocScrutinizer51	but the only way to amke hostmode work	18:20
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kerio	DocScrutinizer06: does the "orientation" of the Y usb cable matter, if i want to charge the n900?	18:41
kerio	how is power distributed?	18:41
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freemangordon	zeq: ping	18:58
freemangordon	zeq: I was worried something bad has happened to you :)	18:58
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freemangordon	hmm	18:59
merlin1991	you scared him away ;)	18:59
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freemangordon	I see, but why?	18:59
freemangordon	:)	19:00
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freemangordon	zeq: ping	19:20
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: what's the current "best" charging script?	21:01
kerio	i'm on kp50, so no fancy kerneling	21:01
kerio	and if i'm providing what i think is 500mA to n900 and a pen drive, how much will the n900 take?	21:01
DocScrutinizer05	too much	21:02
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kerio	aww :(	21:02
kerio	oh well, at least it's not discharging too much	21:02
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kerio	how do i check what's going on with the power?	21:02
DocScrutinizer05	I'd think minimum untweaked charge.sh is 500mA	21:03
DocScrutinizer05	but sorry I'm busy in other chan	21:03
kerio	dammit, i'm going to need a usb charger and/or a microusb-usb adapter	21:03
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japh	you can use 2 ports at the same time	21:05
japh	;)	21:05
kerio	japh: oh god, i suppose it would work	21:05
kerio	but i'd need another Y usb adapter	21:05
kerio	...i can get one	21:05
kerio	but no, eventually i'm going to want to use the wallcharger i think	21:06
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kerio	Pali: what's your website?	21:42
Pali	kerio, atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali	21:42
kerio	now type that with an http:// at the beginning	21:43
MohammadAG	any icon designers?	21:43
Pali	s/atrey/http:\/\/atrey	21:43
kerio	:c	21:44
kerio	Pali: i had to copy!	21:44
kerio	and paste!	21:44
Pali	kerio, so run sed manually :D	21:44
MohammadAG	OH THE HORROR	21:44
Pali	or ask infobot why did not swapned sed for you	21:45
MohammadAG	trailing /?	21:45
kerio	you should've used a different delimiter	21:46
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kerio	Pali: do i have to unload g_nokia before modprobing g_file_storage?	21:47
Pali	kerio, yes	21:47
Pali	only one gadget driver can be loaded	21:47
Pali	(gadget driver has prefix g_)	21:48
kerio	what happens if you let them fight over it?	21:50
kerio	Pali: hm, is there a way to limit the current absorption with bq2415x?	21:51
Pali	look at /sys/class/power_supply/bq...	21:52
kerio	i can't, i'm still on kp50 :)	21:52
Pali	there is some sysfs entry with name current	21:53
Pali	I do not remeber exact name	21:53
Pali	but all bq2415x chip configs are exported to /sys	21:53
kerio	Pali: ok, an even better question	21:55
kerio	is Stargus actually good?	21:56
Pali	kerio, Stagus is incomplete...	21:57
Pali	but Wargus is 90% clone of WAR2	21:57
Pali	kerio, last version in extras has some problems (crashing...)	21:57
Pali	in summer we release new version which should fix a lot of bugs	21:58
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DocScrutinizer05	stargus wargus wutmyus	22:05
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kerio	Pali: just get a photo of Boxer playing bw on the n900	22:07
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* ShadowJK wonders what kinda of apm flash would have playing bw on n900		22:38
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ShadowJK	I played bw on oc once just to find out my apm	22:39
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vi__	freemangordon: guess who got an email?	22:56
freemangordon	vi__: me :P	22:57
freemangordon	vi__: I have DHL tracking id, do you?	22:58
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vi__	freemangordon: yeaaaahh booooi!	23:00
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freemangordon	vi__: yeah :D:D:D	23:01
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vi__	when was yours shipped?	23:05
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vi__	freemangordon: do you know if it using dhl nextday or what?	23:20
freemangordon	I think so, I expect my call tomorrow	23:21
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vi__	...2000 euros...	23:21
freemangordon	vi__: naah, I won't sell mine	23:21
vi__	atta boy!	23:22
freemangordon	...for anything lower than 20000 :P	23:22
MohammadAG	30000	23:22
freemangordon	yours is not for sale, you don	23:23
freemangordon	't own it	23:23
MohammadAG	I'm buying it from you	23:23
MohammadAG	for 30000	23:24
freemangordon	or you want to give me 30000 euros?	23:24
freemangordon	hmm, lemme think again when I have it in my hands	23:24
RST38h	Moo Mohammad	23:24
MohammadAG	I was thinking yens or lines of code	23:24
MohammadAG	but since you mentioned euros, I'll pass	23:24
MohammadAG	moo RST38h	23:24
RST38h	Mohammad: kittens, charge in kittens	23:24
freemangordon	MohammadAG: you think again too :P	23:24
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MohammadAG	I'll trade my kidney for a damn air condition right now	23:25
RST38h	Mohammad: Just move somewhere cold	23:26
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MohammadAG	RST38h, wish I could	23:36
MohammadAG	finland's -40 seems attractive now	23:37
MohammadAG	at least when it's cold you can just wear more stuff	23:37
RST38h	Mohammad: .FI should currently be in the 18-25 range	23:37
MohammadAG	it's 31 right now	23:37
MohammadAG	and it's 11:37	23:37
MohammadAG	PM	23:38
RST38h	Mohammad: You can get an Android phone and run Google Maps, they warm it up reaaaal damn nicely	23:38
MohammadAG	RST38h, try Waze	23:38
MohammadAG	green bugs freak me out	23:39
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DocScrutinizer05	wetware overheated? green bugs... umm	23:49
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MohammadAG	The humidity in Haifa is unbelievable	23:56
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MohammadAG	Got out of AC'd car and my glasses fogged	23:56
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