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| DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: (powerkernel) why should CSSU ship a kernel? Isn't it easy enough to install it straight away if you want that kernel rather than the original one? | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: #1 mantra of CSSU: "it won't however ship anything that can get installed from extras repository" | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU is about maximum possible freedom of choice, not about forcefeeding users with alternatives to stuff that may or may not be optional in original maemo fremantle | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | powerkernel has one inevitable problem: kernel modules built for stock kernel won't work with this custom kernel | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU is all dedicated to 100% compatibility whenever reasonably feasible. There shouldn't be a single user of dunnowhat acme-camera-app or whatever, who can't use CSSU or would have to bin his expensive commercial app that ship with stock kernel modules only | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if a patch (of whatever kind) A) wouldn't need CSSU to get applied, and/or B) can't guarantee 100% compatibility, and/or C) doesn't even fix anything that affects users of stock system - it probably has little to no chances to ever go into CSSU | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's business and domain of projects like powerkernel to bring such improvements to users, that are not absolutely clean and kinda mandatory | 00:30 |
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| uros1 | strange problem here after reflash missing clock and rest of status bar | 00:34 |
| uros1 | any idea? | 00:34 |
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| uros1 | no idea? | 00:37 |
| uros1 | hmm | 00:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask | 01:00 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 01:00 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 hears a little man whispering into his ear: "powerkernel? ha! why not bundle most recent kubuntu to new version of libreoffice? It's a great distro and much better than anytging any user installing libreoffice will have installed on his machine right now" | 01:20 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 kills the little man with a rolled up newspaper | 01:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "Tanke THIS!" | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -n | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | one additional note: while we haven't really achieved yet, the original idea of CSSU updates been to get rid of that Nokia concept of monolithic PR update blobs, and rather update each subsystem whenever an update is due, without postponing stuff till next nega bundle rolls out the door | 01:28 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: you should simply add a factoid about what cssu is instead of repeatng yourself always :D | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | factoid length is limited | 01:29 |
| merlin1991 | something along the lines of ~includetocssu | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I should copy shit to a wiki page | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but wait, isn't all there already? ;-D | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RTFW | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | read the f***g wiki | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I think I'll have to continue explaining it over and over again for the next min 5 years (ordered my #4 and #5 N900, so I'd really hope both hw and repos will serve me at least that long) | 01:32 |
| Macer | celtics in 7! | 01:33 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: lol | 01:33 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: get a lumia 900 and put maemo on it :-P | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WUT???? | 01:34 |
| merlin1991 | I ordered #4 some time ago, but I still have to corner to suppliant and ask him where the fuck it is | 01:34 |
| Macer | not possible huh? | 01:34 |
| Macer | i still have my #2 with its broken sim reader | 01:34 |
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| Macer | anybody want to buy it? it's just collecting dust here | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | got one hooker here, more than enough | 01:34 |
| Macer | it reads.. just doesn't read it all the time :) | 01:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 looks at N9 and hooker, wonders why he's thinking about Lore and Data | 01:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just to spam the channel a bit more: got a CF-29 today :-D \o/ | 01:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 does a little stepdance on the CF-29 | 01:41 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ww1RH8iAR4 | 01:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDUVRMyXZPI | 01:46 |
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| budfive | What's the going price for an n900 these days? | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | new 260EUR if you can find some | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | without original package and accessories | 01:50 |
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| budfive | Gotta love the depreciation! | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL at Black Hawk Toughbook | 02:09 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: what do you need an cf-29 for? | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, just love decent hardware | 02:22 |
| merlin1991 | unless you usually use your notebooks in a warzone and expect it to work after your base got hit, I don't see the point in having it ;) | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe just not repeat what others said already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hetxcun5B1E | 02:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I already stumbled and fell with a CF-27 in my hand. The poor pavement ;-D | 02:24 |
| merlin1991 | gotta love youtube comments: ...Refurbished Toughbooks protect and secure your data better than any laptop. | 02:26 |
| merlin1991 | dafuq? | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, let's say I just need it for holiday | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and for full contact combat ;-P (I actually wonder if the thing counts as a weapon on german demonstrations) | 02:28 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: I bet the law in question is vague enough that anything sharp, heavy or whatever can be counted as a weapon | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | recently the have a tendency to invent laws that are like chewing gum. E.G what's 'smoking'? | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or on demonstrations: what's "disguise"? | 02:34 |
| Raimu | Hehe, conveniently undefined or vague laws. Gotta love those. | 02:34 |
| Raimu | Sounds good and smart and sharp on paper to the masses and you can always say "cops sort it out". | 02:35 |
| Raimu | Yeah, cops and courts. And yeah they sure do. *grimace* | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 02:35 |
| Raimu | This reminds me, I would hate to ever, ever depend on the expertise of, say, any judge or jury of randomly-picked individuals if I was accused of anything -- anything -- that had something to do with modern tech or the Internet or whatever. | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "SUCKER! I don't give a shit if that's an astma inhaler! you pay 40 bucks for smoking in the nonsmoker area now, or..." | 02:36 |
| merlin1991 | Raimu: yeah, modern tech is kind of a problem | 02:37 |
| Raimu | You could have a completely reasonable defense that any actual computer-savvy person would understand, but the people sitting there and deciding for me wouldn't know the difference. They would just think some CSI probably traced my IP with some computer graphics animation and it's all waterproof 101% | 02:38 |
| Raimu | Rant over. Good night. o/ | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 02:39 |
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| merlin1991 | Raimu: they used visual basic to make a gui to trace your ip and took a screenshot of your irc chat be cause it's all voilatile ;) | 02:40 |
| merlin1991 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ for 50% segfaults on opening those flash11 things on my T500 | 02:42 |
| teotwaki | merlin1991 is that the one with the chick going "Good thing I speak l33t"? | 02:42 |
| teotwaki | merlin1991: I think the worst is still the blowfish blowjob scene | 02:43 |
| merlin1991 | teotwaki: yep it's in the 2nd link | 02:43 |
| merlin1991 | you mean the one where he "hacks" the cia server? | 02:43 |
| teotwaki | yeah | 02:43 |
| teotwaki | yesterday, I was just flipping through channels waiting for sleep to come | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Numb3rs is probably as stupid and silly as it possibly gets | 02:44 |
| teotwaki | saw some naval cops show | 02:44 |
| teotwaki | the one with gibbs? | 02:44 |
| teotwaki | NCIS I think | 02:44 |
| teotwaki | Well, the "Miami" version of that. | 02:44 |
| teotwaki | Some dude gets a call, and their elite hacker starts "tracing them" | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NCIS Miami is almost as idiotic, yes | 02:45 |
| teotwaki | within a second "yeah, the call is coming from the same building, lemme get the GPS signal" | 02:45 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders... | 02:45 | |
| SpeedEvil | Midomer Murders - Miami | 02:45 |
| teotwaki | not only did they immediately see 3 phones on a map of the building | 02:45 |
| teotwaki | the map was 3D, and the gps signal showed them on which floor they were | 02:46 |
| teotwaki | now, if we were to go back on that, they're going to make us believe they have 3D topological maps, correlated with GPS data, for every single building on the east coast | 02:46 |
| teotwaki | GPS is automagically broadcast when you place a call | 02:47 |
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| teotwaki | it doesn't matter where you are, anyone can receive that signal -- except the badies, they never use that "smart" technology. | 02:47 |
| * merlin1991 rofls | 02:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and damn that new generation of GPS gets a sub-meter accuracy fix *everywhere*, in 0.5s | 02:48 |
| teotwaki | in through meters of reinforced concrete | 02:48 |
| teotwaki | I can't get a signal through my fucking backpack | 02:48 |
| r00t|n900 | teotwaki: remove that lead shielding... | 02:49 |
| teotwaki | so that's why it's so heavy! | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's contemporary fairy tales. Fantasy, fiction, like Perry Rhodan | 02:50 |
| teotwaki | next scene, (baddie) sniper makes some dude's phone ring, has him in her scope, spends roughly 30 seconds adjusting the scope for wind and shit, takes the shot, and misses (obviously) | 02:50 |
| merlin1991 | teotwaki: also the tinfoil hat is affecting your reception ;) | 02:50 |
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| teotwaki | two elite cops go after her, one of them shouts "cover me" (they're roughly at 400m from the building) and the dude whips out his 9mm and starts shooting | 02:50 |
| merlin1991 | I really love it how in most "csi" series the sniper adjusts the scope for wind and stuff when the target is only over the street | 02:51 |
| teotwaki | every single bullet hits within a closer area than the sniper bullet | 02:51 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 02:51 |
| teotwaki | the guy somehow manages to get up the 8th story of the (empty and abandoned) parking lot within 3 seconds | 02:51 |
| merlin1991 | don't you know, them cops have amazing aim with their 9mm ;) | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | teotwaki: Pigs can fly in CSI! | 02:52 |
| teotwaki | he sees a car driving down, whips out his pistol, and empties some 20 bullets into the car | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | 9mm is more accurate than .300 Win Mag, dumbass. | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sheesh. | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Learn something. | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shorter barrels from imparting harmonic vibrations to the bullet | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | so they fly truer. | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's metric, it has to be more accurate | 02:53 |
| teotwaki | let's go back over the scene: there was no wind in any of the trees, the scope didn't need adjusting. The shot was unmissable. 9mm has less recoil and exactly the same concrete penetrating properties as a .50 cal, cops are allowed to shoot at random passing cars without probable cause (he couldn't see the driver, and never saw her climb into the car) | 02:53 |
| teotwaki | now, I don't mind the odd honest mistake | 02:55 |
| teotwaki | Such as, for example, some show playing Beethoven in the background and the dialogue going "Oh, I love Mozart" | 02:55 |
| merlin1991 | still the best wtf regarding guns I had was in matrix, where neo dodges the bullets | 02:55 |
| teotwaki | merlin1991: you've not seen the one where they bend bullets? | 02:56 |
| merlin1991 | drops weapons to ground, dodges (no pistols on the ground), picks the magically reappearing pistols up again | 02:56 |
| teotwaki | Movie "Wanted"? | 02:56 |
| merlin1991 | teotwaki: you mean wanted | 02:56 |
| merlin1991 | yeah :D | 02:56 |
| merlin1991 | well at least their weapons don't jump in and out of existance | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin1991: But there you can explain that legitimately. | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: that's the matrix | 02:57 |
| teotwaki | It's the matrix | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Becuase stuff can actually go in and out of existance. | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-P | 02:57 |
| teotwaki | It's a shame they never made any sequels to the Matrix, good movie. | 02:57 |
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| merlin1991 | http://youtu.be/Kc4cBiSXoCs?t=40s for the wtf :D | 02:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, you're just bitter because you can't suspend your disbelief like the rubes can. :P | 02:59 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: rubes? | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, I always thought the same thing about the Star Wars trilogy. Those are just begging for a prequel. | 03:00 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: true. | 03:00 |
| teotwaki | And I'm still waiting for the last 6 books. | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | rube noun Informal an unsophisticated person from a rural area; hick. | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~define rube | 03:00 |
| infobot | Use ~dict for definitions. | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~dict rube | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | (asshole) | 03:00 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'rube' (1 of 2): babe, backwoodsman, boor, boorish, bucolic, bumpkin, butterfingers, child, child of nature, churlish, clod, cloddish, clodhopper, clodhopping, clown, clownish, clumsy, countrified, country bumpkin, country-born, country-bred, dove, dub, duffer, dupe, farmer, farmerish, foozler, foul-up, from the sticks, fumble-fist, gawk, gawky, goof, goofball, goofer, hayseed, hick, hicky, hillbilly, hobnailed, infant, ingenue, ... | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's not a dictionary, that's a thesaurus, rube! | 03:01 |
| teotwaki | "I know what you meant when you said ~define, however, I will not cooperate because I want you to understand how important I am." | 03:01 |
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| * teotwaki has no sound | 03:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sorry? | 03:02 |
| * teotwaki has to wait till the download finishes | 03:02 | |
| teotwaki | ~forget define | 03:02 |
| infobot | i forgot define, teotwaki | 03:02 |
| teotwaki | ~define is I know exactly what you meant when your feeble mind guessed at the keyword ~define, however, may I suggest that you use ~dict instead? My time, is, afterall, precious. | 03:04 |
| infobot | Use ~dict for definitions. | 03:04 |
| teotwaki | You bastard | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't have any dog food left | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't want to go buy dog food. | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damnit. | 03:04 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: rice | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Raw rice? | 03:05 |
| r00t|n900 | steaks | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish /I/ had steaks. | 03:05 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: no, cooked. | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Arf Arf | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, easier to go to the grocery store. :\ | 03:05 |
| * GeneralAntilles gives DocScrutinizer05 a treat. | 03:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CAN HAZ STEAK? | 03:05 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: it's cheaper than dog food, plus it's a lot healthier than dog food for humans. | 03:05 |
| teotwaki | I know you're a student, but still bro | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Teehee | 03:06 |
| * teotwaki sends food stamps to GeneralAntilles | 03:07 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess I should just go. | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blarg | 03:07 |
| teotwaki | don't | 03:07 |
| teotwaki | you thought the dog was fat and could use the diet anyway | 03:07 |
| teotwaki | the shop probably ran out of dog food anyway | 03:07 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: ever tried Linux Mint? | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Using and hating Ubuntu on my x220. | 03:09 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: try it out, the MATE edition, it's actually decent | 03:10 |
| * teotwaki is lighting a ciggie | 03:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody a fsckng clue what might be the reason for spellchecker in KDE xchat (and generally systemwide) fails | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~buntkuh | 03:10 |
| infobot | buntkuh is, like, http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind | 03:10 |
| teotwaki | oh, fwiw, do you know how Stallman reacted when I lit a cigarette next to him? | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | He freaked like the asshole he is? | 03:10 |
| teotwaki | He grabbed me by the shoulders and yelled in my face "Noooo DON'T DO IT! Life's isn't that bad!" | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he explained to you some details about tobacco production isn't free? | 03:11 |
| teotwaki | s/'s// | 03:11 |
| infobot | teotwaki meant: He grabbed me by the shoulders and yelled in my face "Noooo DON'T DO IT! Life isn't that bad!" | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | What an ass. | 03:11 |
| teotwaki | Oh come on; by and large, it's probably the funniest thing he could've done. | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or he could've just ignored it. :P | 03:12 |
| teotwaki | And yes, I was expecting a monologue the same way DocScrutinizer05 did | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | A."Bro, you ain't seen nuttin yet!" | 03:12 |
| teotwaki | Biking home from the afternoon I spent with Stallman, I was of two minds. | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "Don't get me started on how bad it is, or you'll start smoking too" | 03:13 |
| teotwaki | In one way, I understand his "the free software issue is as important as human rights" stance | 03:13 |
| teotwaki | on the other, I can't tolerate his disdain for proprietary developers, my stance on that is "I'm free to feed my family" | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stallman is just a hardline asshole. :P | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I prefer 10 stallmans to one poettering | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | over? | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather than? | 03:16 |
| teotwaki | depends on the beginning on the sentence | 03:16 |
| teotwaki | "I'll take 10 stallmans over one poettering" | 03:16 |
| Hurrian | wait, are we discussing the merits of pulse/avahi/systemd? | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NOOOOOO! | 03:17 |
| teotwaki | Hurrian: no. | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 03:17 |
| teotwaki | Installing Linux: 8 minutes. Installing Windows: 7 hours. | 03:17 |
| merlin1991 | teotwaki: win7 takes about 15 mins | 03:18 |
| teotwaki | merlin1991: bit longer than that | 03:18 |
| Hurrian | teotwaki, given you use the "smart people"'s method of installing both, Linux takes ~2 minutes and Windows takes ~15-20 mins | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | installing linux takes two weeks and up | 03:18 |
| teotwaki | merlin1991: but it's the 6 hours of installing drivers that kills the performance. | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | installing windows takes forever, literally | 03:19 |
| Hurrian | the smart method being "untar your pre-prepared linux FS tarball" / "apply the windows WIM image directly" | 03:19 |
| teotwaki | Hurrian: yeah, that still requires you have your image setup | 03:19 |
| Hurrian | gentoo stage3+newest archlinux kernels | 03:19 |
| merlin1991 | teotwaki: dunno 1 hr driver install for win, or 1 day s&%/?stfu graphics card still does not perform on linux | 03:20 |
| Hurrian | teotwaki, that's assuming your hardware isn't supported OOTB by Windows | 03:20 |
| Hurrian | meh, the only driver I have to install is my video card driver for games | 03:20 |
| teotwaki | Hurrian: nvidia gtx 560 | 03:20 |
| teotwaki | and the ethernet port | 03:21 |
| teotwaki | and the esata | 03:21 |
| teotwaki | and the raid | 03:21 |
| teotwaki | and the usb 3.0 | 03:21 |
| merlin1991 | teotwaki: well on linux I had nvidia gtx 560 and ethernet port | 03:22 |
| Hurrian | meh, fbsd handles my storage for me, I don't let NTFS near my storage drives | 03:22 |
| merlin1991 | thanks to mainline being totally fucked up and dropping tcp sessions at random | 03:22 |
| Hurrian | merlin1991, nvidia binary drivers are acceptable for modern usage | 03:22 |
| Hurrian | s/modern/modern card/ | 03:22 |
| infobot | Hurrian meant: merlin1991, nvidia binary drivers are acceptable for modern card usage | 03:22 |
| Hurrian | for cards 1/2 gens earlier than the newest, nouveau does well for single-monitor setups | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got tought today they changed FHS and now there's no /bin and /sbin anymore :-O | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF?! | 03:23 |
| merlin1991 | WHAT? | 03:23 |
| Hurrian | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ | 03:24 |
| Hurrian | nope | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on that fedora system that came with the CF-29, /bin and /sbin are symlinks to /usr/* | 03:24 |
| Hurrian | you do know fedora is beta testing for rhel, right? | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | W*T*F?!! | 03:24 |
| r00t|n900 | well, works if usr is on root... | 03:25 |
| teotwaki | who cares about /bin and /sbin being symlinks | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kinda, heard that | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|n900: we're all aware of that | 03:25 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: you do know the historical reason behind having some stuff in /usr/bin, other stuff in /bin, etc? | 03:25 |
| r00t|n900 | :( | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification | 03:25 |
| infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" | 03:25 |
| nox- | http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken | 03:26 |
| nox- | .oO(who just talked about poettering here?...) | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OOOH POETTERING, FUCK I SHOULD'VE KNOWN | 03:26 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: it's all nice and fine | 03:28 |
| merlin1991 | untill you reach the "Going Forward" section | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ?? | 03:28 |
| teotwaki | night all | 03:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cya teo | 03:29 |
| merlin1991 | well untill there it just states why we have /bin and /usr/bin and why this leads to problems if /usr is mounted too late | 03:29 |
| merlin1991 | in that section though it calls for "abondon ship, put everything in /" | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, those who invented /usr had just owl shit in theoir skull | 03:30 |
| Hurrian | merlin1991, more of a problem with systemd where it depends on /usr | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and poettering again is the one we need to detect the fact | 03:31 |
| Hurrian | yeah. pulse and systemd are both good ideas, with awful execution | 03:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: actually that's already a lame excuse for sloppyness and somehow screwed argumentation chain: >>Due to this, many upstream developers have decided to consider the problem of a separate /usr that is not mounted during early boot an outdated question, and started to close bugs regarding these issues as WONTFIX. We certainly cannot blame them, as the benefit of supporting this is questionable and brings a lot of additional work | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with it.<< | 03:48 |
| nox- | and to bring some perspective, freebsd for example can load kernel modules via the bootloader and thus doesnt need initrds, and seperate /usr still works | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | screwed as those devels who closed tickets WONTFIX probably did that on tickets that were like "can't play poweron jingle thru PA" | 03:50 |
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| FIQ|n900 | hm | 03:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | I read "chanlog" as "changelog" and was confused.. | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I would expect they even commented on it "closing WONTFIX. Either move PA to rootfs (/sbin), or postpone your f*ing jingle until /usr got mounted" | 03:52 |
| nox- | since when does one need pulseaudio to play a simple sound? | 03:52 |
| nox- | oh you mean on n900... | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, I'm talking about poettering's newest idiocy: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken | 03:53 |
| nox- | right | 03:53 |
| Hurrian | people expect others to use initrds? | 03:56 |
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| MohammadAG | Tmo dead? | 11:31 |
| rcg | seems so | 11:32 |
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| Hurrian | yup | 11:47 |
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| Estel_ | hm, many times I'm stunned by expertise and knowledge of Maemo people... | 12:51 |
| Estel_ | Other times, I'm really grateful, that people like Stallman or Poettering fans shape the way we're going to use linux, modern days | 12:53 |
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| Estel_ | You can flame me whatever You want, but I'm perfectly sure, that if our NIRC gurus" would be on charge, we would have frozen specification, feature set, and layout in freedesktop from late 80's ;) | 12:54 |
| Estel_ | up to this day. | 12:54 |
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| Estel_ | +48668 version of overlays for other use cases, 3/4 of them non compatible with each other | 12:55 |
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| fasta | Doesn't /home/user have 32GB of space? | 13:23 |
| joga | it's mounted at /home/user/MyDocs | 13:24 |
| jacekowski | and it's 28G | 13:25 |
| fasta | Ah, never mind. I just had made some wrong assumptions. | 13:26 |
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| fasta | Is sitting next to an n900 FM transmitter dangerous to health? | 13:41 |
| Estel_ | yes. It's as much dangerous, as listening to casual FM radio, or walking street | 13:43 |
| Estel_ | or sex | 13:43 |
| Estel_ | everything is dangerous to health. Even passing of time itself. | 13:43 |
| fasta | Estel_: I moved a lot of mp3s to the .sound directory, but it doesn't list any. Do you know why? | 13:44 |
| Estel_ | probably, because .sound directory isn't meant to move files there | 13:44 |
| Estel_ | eveyr directory starting with dot "." is ommited by tracker, by default | 13:44 |
| jacekowski | fasta: have you disconnected the phone | 13:44 |
| Estel_ | no, he mvoed fiels to directory where system sounds - like sms beep - are stored | 13:44 |
| Estel_ | it's a feature, that this dir is ommited | 13:45 |
| fasta | Where should I put them instead? | 13:45 |
| Estel_ | whenever Yuo want, but not anywhere under directory tree that starts with dot | 13:45 |
| Estel_ | so /.whatever/music/files is bad | 13:45 |
| Estel_ | but /anywhere/you/want/at/all is good | 13:45 |
| Estel_ | tracker will find it on it's own | 13:45 |
| fasta | /home/user/mp3s then | 13:45 |
| Estel_ | why not | 13:46 |
| Estel_ | anyway, mp3 suxx, use ogg instead | 13:46 |
| fasta | And flac? | 13:46 |
| NIN101 | ... | 13:46 |
| Estel_ | flac rox, but files are biiig | 13:46 |
| fasta | I.e. does it support flac? | 13:46 |
| Estel_ | it support everything desktop computer support, as long as You have approriate things installed | 13:46 |
| fasta | Well, that's like freaking awesome then. Thanks. | 13:46 |
| Estel_ | it's not a phone, it's computer with phone functions | 13:46 |
| Estel_ | get used to it and Your life will be easier :) | 13:47 |
| Estel_ | no problem | 13:47 |
| fasta | I already managed to shoot pictures in raw format too. | 13:47 |
| Estel_ | of course. | 13:47 |
| fasta | And, I can use FM radio while USB is connected, thanks to jacekowski's software. | 13:47 |
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| Estel_ | probably, cia camera-ui from Nicolai? Or, via fmcam drivers? | 13:47 |
| Estel_ | boths give slightly different results | 13:48 |
| fasta | Estel_: I think I use fcamera. | 13:48 |
| * Estel_ nods | 13:48 | |
| fasta | Estel_: I also have the blessn900 app. | 13:48 |
| Estel_ | there is no definite answer which one gives better results, so, I use to do shotting from boths (of course not at the same very moment) | 13:48 |
| fasta | It would be nice if I could zoom into the raw pictures. | 13:48 |
| Estel_ | during session | 13:48 |
| Estel_ | blessn900 suxx big time | 13:48 |
| fasta | Estel_: I would like to map the camera button to fcamera, though. | 13:48 |
| Estel_ | justs tick to camera-ui from CSSU, it also can take raws, or fcam | 13:49 |
| Estel_ | no problem | 13:49 |
| fasta | Estel_: how? | 13:49 |
| Estel_ | instal "quick launch" | 13:49 |
| Estel_ | s/instal/install/ | 13:49 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: install "quick launch" | 13:49 |
| Estel_ | it allow You to map things to camera slie out | 13:50 |
| Estel_ | slide, ffs | 13:50 |
| Estel_ | i.e. You open camera cover, and menu with 4 possible items appear | 13:50 |
| Estel_ | also, you mayw ant to sue shortcutd | 13:50 |
| Estel_ | it allow You to map things to camera button itself too, although, hgalf press only | 13:50 |
| Estel_ | both long press and short press | 13:50 |
| Estel_ | so you can have different things for long and short half-press | 13:50 |
| Estel_ | for example, I use quick launch, and, upon sliding camera cover, I've 4 options ons creen - camera-ui, fcam, lowlight, and torch (flashlight) | 13:51 |
| fasta | Estel_: that's exactly what I want yes. | 13:51 |
| Estel_ | so have fun :) | 13:51 |
| fasta | How should I view the Tizen platform in the mobile landscape? | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Through rose-tinted glasses. | 13:52 |
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| fasta | I mean: are phones based on it basically as hackable as the n900/is it a cheap rip-off/does it even already work, etc.? | 13:54 |
| fasta | I also haven't been able to add any widget other than the Associated Press widget. | 13:56 |
| fasta | In particular the CPU load one. | 13:56 |
| fasta | I installed it, but it doesn't show up anywhere. | 13:57 |
| Estel_ | fasta, if Tizen is usable for anything, then it's onlyto get rid of it and install Mer | 14:01 |
| Estel_ | as soon as you get device | 14:01 |
| Estel_ | and *if* it's doable. | 14:01 |
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| Darkchaos | Rofl. Firefox takes 2.5GB RAM | 15:11 |
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| fasta | Darkchaos: likely it doesn't. | 15:23 |
| fasta | Darkchaos: i.e. some web-app takes 2.5GB of RAM/ | 15:23 |
| fasta | Darkchaos: completely different statement. | 15:23 |
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| fasta | Is there like a newbie friendly description of starhash enabler? | 15:24 |
| hatake_kakashi | Send raw commands through cellular network? ;) | 15:25 |
| fasta | The people on http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1622&faq=42 generally seem not to be pleased; likely because it seems to be targeted at phone engineers ;) | 15:25 |
| fasta | I am thinking of things like: where is the UI? | 15:25 |
| fasta | I.e. where can I configure it? | 15:25 |
| hatake_kakashi | an average joe wouldn't want to fiddle with fancy commands unless there was a need in the first place | 15:25 |
| fasta | Well, the redirection stuff seems pretty useful. | 15:26 |
| hatake_kakashi | I thought starhash just gives you extra buttons at the phone dial screen | 15:26 |
| jacekowski | fasta: thing is, same web-app on opera would take half of that ram | 15:26 |
| jacekowski | fasta: and firefox is well known for it's memory leaks | 15:26 |
| hatake_kakashi | lets not forget IE | 15:27 |
| fasta | jacekowski: I know firefox is well known for its memory leaks. | 15:27 |
| jacekowski | hatake_kakashi: IE has improved a lot | 15:27 |
| jacekowski | hatake_kakashi: latest IE is faster than firefox | 15:27 |
| fasta | jacekowski: I also know that it's in most cases a problem created by the way JavaScript/DOM interaction works. | 15:27 |
| jacekowski | fasta: doesn't matter, other browsers don't leak like that | 15:28 |
| fasta | jacekowski: and while web programmers could mitigate it in most cases, they don't do that. | 15:28 |
| fasta | jacekowski: I think a factor of 2 is not that much. | 15:28 |
| fasta | jacekowski: But if it is really a different function, there is a problem. | 15:28 |
| fasta | I.e. a memory leak would suggest memory usage goes to infinity. | 15:28 |
| jacekowski | it does | 15:28 |
| jacekowski | slowl | 15:29 |
| jacekowski | slowly | 15:29 |
| fasta | If that really is a Firefox problem, the indeed it's awful. | 15:29 |
| fasta | I think most people run Chrome these days. | 15:29 |
| hatake_kakashi | jacekowski, not that I　have tried the latest IE, though I'm sure IE　wouldn't be all that much better than firefox imo | 15:29 |
| fasta | I think IE10 isn't that bad. | 15:29 |
| fasta | IE7 is just a joke. | 15:29 |
| hatake_kakashi | rather, was :) | 15:30 |
| jacekowski | hatake_kakashi: IE9 doesn't have a single line of code common with IE6 | 15:30 |
| fasta | Lots of web developers dropped it I think. | 15:30 |
| jacekowski | hatake_kakashi: it was pretty much a total rewrite | 15:30 |
| jacekowski | hatake_kakashi: and their JS engine is really fast | 15:30 |
| Hurrian | meh, IE10 is pretty much standards-compliant with everyone else | 15:30 |
| Hurrian | IE9 still has some quirks | 15:30 |
| Raimu | Where's IE10, Metro? | 15:32 |
| Raimu | Oh, there's a W7 compatible platform preview out. | 15:34 |
| hatake_kakashi | jacekowski, still, according to a benchmark I just saw, it still isn't vastly superior compared to firefox let alone chrome | 15:34 |
| Raimu | I thought IE9 was pretty nice for IE. | 15:34 |
| jacekowski | hatake_kakashi: but IE is improving | 15:35 |
| jacekowski | hatake_kakashi: firefox is getting more bloated all the time | 15:35 |
| Raimu | Firefox's only selling point for me these days is the fact that it has a lot of plugins, but that's the only thing rooting for it. | 15:35 |
| Raimu | Chrome is a massive, and I mean m-a-s-s-i-v-e memory hog, but it doesn't matter on my desktop PC. | 15:35 |
| fasta | Can anyone please tell me how I can get the CPU load displayed in some fancy widget? | 15:35 |
| Raimu | fasta: Tried this? http://maemo.org/packages/view/cpumem-applet/ | 15:36 |
| hatake_kakashi | jacekowski, doesn't mean that mozilla foundation won't rewrite up firefox to make it go fast again, surely people complain about laggy-ness | 15:36 |
| Raimu | hatake_kakashi: Sure, they did that between FF three and four. | 15:36 |
| fasta | Raimu: maemo seems dead here | 15:37 |
| hatake_kakashi | I'd second what Raimu said with the cpumem applet, that was one of the fair few programs I've installed eversince I got my N900 | 15:37 |
| Raimu | hatake_kakashi: I'm afraid though that the next time they're going to make some hard design choices that affect backwards compatibility. | 15:37 |
| fasta | Raimu: Internal Server Error 500 | 15:37 |
| Raimu | fasta: Odd. Works for me. >:| | 15:37 |
| hatake_kakashi | fasta, proxy? | 15:37 |
| fasta | hatake_kakashi: no | 15:37 |
| Raimu | fasta: Maybe you have a monster cookie that's making it behave like that. | 15:38 |
| Raimu | You know, corrupted one. | 15:38 |
| fasta | A monster cookie? | 15:38 |
| fasta | Haha | 15:38 |
| hatake_kakashi | Raimu, well heck, some things may have to go :) | 15:38 |
| hatake_kakashi | infected cookie | 15:38 |
| Raimu | fasta: I love saying "monster cookie". I meant a corrupt cookie that got bungled somehow and needs to be deleted from the browser cache. | 15:38 |
| fasta | Raimu: it's a server error, not a client error. | 15:39 |
| fasta | Raimu: the server should reset the cookie. | 15:39 |
| fasta | Raimu: in short, it's just a programmer error on maemo.org | 15:39 |
| fasta | Raimu: another browser works, btw. | 15:40 |
| Raimu | So yeah, there's bad data in your browser cache or something. | 15:40 |
| fasta | Raimu: I already see some tiny icon with cpu load and probably memory. | 15:40 |
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| Raimu | Does HAM work? | 15:41 |
| fasta | Raimu: I am looking for something which is a bit larger than icon size. | 15:41 |
| fasta | Raimu: yes | 15:41 |
| Raimu | Oh. | 15:41 |
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| Raimu | There are widgets, I recall, but at least one I actually tried hogged CPU resources. | 15:41 |
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| Raimu | So that was kind of a "observer creating an effect on the observed" thing and I removed it. | 15:42 |
| fasta | Raimu: which map application do you use? | 15:44 |
| fasta | Is OVI still being updated? | 15:44 |
| Raimu | I rely on browsered Google Maps, to be honest. Where I live the on-platform n900 map apps aren't much use. | 15:45 |
| Raimu | No clue about OVI. | 15:45 |
| fasta | Raimu: in which browser? | 15:46 |
| fasta | Where is Chrome for n900, btw? | 15:46 |
| Raimu | Dead and buried | 15:47 |
| Raimu | Or, rather, if you want to use Easy Debian on the side, there. | 15:48 |
| Raimu | But there is no official Chromium port or even an unofficial one these days. | 15:48 |
| Raimu | Some years ago there was some sort of an intellectual property shitstorm over Chromium and something something profit, and people just stopped porting it on Maemo. | 15:48 |
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| Estel_ | Chromium works via easy debian | 16:20 |
| Estel_ | and those shitstorm was just a hoax | 16:20 |
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| fasta | You need 2.5 GB free on one of your memory cards, although after installing, you will only need 2 GB. | 16:24 |
| fasta | Isn't the rootfs 2GB? | 16:24 |
| NIN101 | it isn't | 16:24 |
| fasta | Or rather the location for programs, etc. | 16:25 |
| fasta | I thought it was limited at 2GB. | 16:25 |
| fasta | I.e. some kind of disconnect between data and application. | 16:25 |
| Hurrian | fasta, make a partition and dump e-d there | 16:25 |
| NIN101 | more or less correct, /home/ is 2 GB, and they do some symlink busines, "opticated" programs are stored in /home/opt/ | 16:25 |
| fasta | Hurrian: why do I need to make a partition? | 16:26 |
| fasta | Hurrian: (the instructions don't talk about that) | 16:27 |
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| fasta | It seems to just install an image file. | 16:28 |
| fasta | So, your suggestion makes no sense to me. | 16:28 |
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| fasta | Is there some way to automatically switch to whatever network is available? | 16:29 |
| fasta | I mean without manually pressing all kinds of buttons. | 16:29 |
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| Venemo | hey | 16:49 |
| Venemo | I recall that there was some way to show a splash screen on Maemo 5. | 16:49 |
| Venemo | can someone tell me what it was? | 16:49 |
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| fasta | Venemo: bootsplash | 16:55 |
| Venemo | fasta: I mean, a spash screen for an app | 16:55 |
| Venemo | I think it was a parameter in the .desktop file, but I'm unsure | 16:56 |
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| fasta | Why don't globs work? | 16:56 |
| fasta | I.e. ls * | 16:56 |
| Venemo | hm? | 16:56 |
| fasta | On my desktop system ls *==ls output | 16:56 |
| fasta | On n900: ls *==error | 16:57 |
| fasta | I even tried with bash | 16:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | can't reproduce, WFM | 17:00 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: /bin/ls: invalid option -- 5 | 17:01 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: I inputted '/bin/ls *' without quotes | 17:01 |
| fasta | (this is via ssh) | 17:01 |
| fasta | In a directory with lots of files | 17:01 |
| fasta | BusyBox v1.20.1 (Debian 1.20.1power1) multi-call binary. | 17:02 |
| fasta | Perhaps these are the 'improved' tools which actually aren't improved? | 17:02 |
| fasta | How do I get quassel for n900? It has disappeared from the OVI store. | 17:03 |
| fasta | https://gitorious.org/~sgiessl/quassel2go/ | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | busybox-power? | 17:03 |
| fasta | I only found that. | 17:03 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: I don't know whether it's called like that. Under HAM it says Enhanced Busy box shell. | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | fuckit | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | open a ticket if you feel like | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | or get rid of enhanced busybox | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | install proper unix tools | 17:04 |
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| fasta | You mean the defaults or something else? | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~jrtools | 17:05 |
| infobot | i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | that page is called /tools because I originally just was about to replace busybox with proper bash and unix tools | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | NB you still need (original working) busybox for boot | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | ~messybox | 17:11 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | and messybox-powa is for... what now? | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | fasta: get bash3 or bash4, and proper gnu-* utils | 17:13 |
| Jaffa | Af'noon, all. I see a purple high;ight, but have been away all week and forgot tp /quit. | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | o/ Jaffa | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | wb | 17:18 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: how can I do the equivalent sudo gainroot && ls (pseudo-code) that would then run ls as root? | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | hmm? | 17:21 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: If I do sudo gainroot && ls, ls output is not shown. | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | sorry, I don't get the question, or the problem | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | sudo gainroot is not meant to run other stuff en passant | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | sudo gainroot is equiv for su | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | while root is equiv for su - | 17:23 |
| fasta | ~ $ su | 17:23 |
| fasta | su: must be suid to work properly | 17:23 |
| vi__ | how do you gain root on a Stock n900 | 17:23 |
| vi__ | ? | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | su doesn't work in messybox | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~messybox | 17:23 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | >>... and immanent limitations (see su) | 17:24 |
| vi__ | BB on n900, wtf where they smoking? | 17:24 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: so, how do I accomplish the goal: hassle free ssh myphone <run sequence of commands as root> ? | 17:24 |
| fasta | vi__: sudo gainroot gets you a rootshell. | 17:25 |
| fasta | vi__: so start X-terminal. | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | err, no | 17:25 |
| vi__ | I want to know for a completly stock n900 | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | sudo gainroot does NOT get you a rootshell | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | root gets you a rootshell | 17:25 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: but root && ls also doesn't work. | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | yes | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | there's sudo for that | 17:26 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: you are probably right about that other thing. | 17:26 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: so, sudo root && ls? | 17:26 |
| vi__ | fasta echo "ls" | root | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | sudo ls | 17:27 |
| vi__ | fasta: echo "ls" | root | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | and that's not configured in sudoers | 17:27 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: right | 17:27 |
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| fasta | echo ls | root | 17:27 |
| fasta | mesg: not a tty | 17:27 |
| vi__ | fasta: echo "ls" | sudo gainroot | 17:28 |
| fasta | vi__: ok, that does work. | 17:29 |
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| vi__ | fasta: wtf are you trying to do? | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | indeed | 17:29 |
| fasta | vi__: I am trying to write a script which will install some tools. | 17:29 |
| fasta | vi__: but without having to do useless things manually. | 17:30 |
| vi__ | via apt? | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | hahaha | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~ $ echo whoami | root | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Password: | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | root | 17:30 |
| fasta | Is root the rootpassword? | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | escalating powers to root never is a nice thing to do hidden in a script | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | no, do you think I print my root password here ;-P | 17:32 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: hidden? I am writing the code myself for me. | 17:32 |
| fasta | It's only 8 chars. | 17:33 |
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| fasta | I don't think it matters whether you broadcast it or not. | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | even then it's best practice to demand from yourself to enter "root" before you invoke a script that needs root | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | well, it's not echoing when I type it, so how could I c&p? | 17:34 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizers root password: URWRONG1 | 17:35 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: you are in german6 | 17:35 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: you are in germany? | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | yep | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | why? | 17:35 |
| fasta | RICHTIG1 | 17:35 |
| fasta | AMIRIGHT | 17:35 |
| vi__ | you know if there is a trading standards office in germany where you go to complain about dodgy shops? | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | well, you completely miss the detail that my n900 at all asks for a password | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | yours probably won't | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | and that's been the only thing I wanted to show | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | to make fasta aware it's not a good idea to rely on echo xyz|sudo gainroot working in a script | 17:37 |
| vi__ | no it is not | 17:38 |
| vi__ | however I am sure he is sware of thed risks. | 17:38 |
| fasta | Which risks? | 17:38 |
| fasta | I am executing my own code. | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | it's not even about the risks, it's about portability | 17:38 |
| vi__ | fasta somone might rewt ur bocks. | 17:38 |
| fasta | But I don't have any comparable devices to an n900. | 17:39 |
| fasta | It's designed to be 'portable' to an n900. | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | the risk already there with sudo gainroot itself, resp with sudoers.d/01root not having PASSWD | 17:39 |
| vi__ | fasta: do not worry about it. DocScrutinizer is just a paranoid nut. | 17:39 |
| Hurrian | fasta, elevate the script from bash, don't elevate script from script | 17:39 |
| fasta | Hurrian: I would like to have the scripts stored on a desktop directory. | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Hurrian: ++ | 17:40 |
| fasta | Hurrian: so, now what? | 17:40 |
| Hurrian | wrapper script | 17:40 |
| fasta | With your method, I need to first write a script to fetch it from the desktop. | 17:40 |
| fasta | Also, I need to do that for every script I might want to call. | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | fasta: wtf?! | 17:41 |
| fasta | In short, not economically sane use of my time. | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I *completely* miss your problem | 17:41 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: so german trading standards office, do they exist? | 17:41 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: I don't want to store the scripts on the phone. | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | so ?? | 17:41 |
| fasta | Ok, well, I could write an executeDesktopScript scriptname script. | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | set up a proper sshkey pair for root@n900, cat script|ssh root@n900 | 17:42 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: well, that's a good solution too. | 17:43 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: in fact, even better. | 17:43 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: I did setup a proper sshkey pair of course. | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | btw concerning about not storing *scripts* (some kB MAX) on a device with 32GB storage, is.... | 17:43 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: that's just for management purposes. | 17:43 |
| vi__ | is chem|st german? | 17:44 |
| vi__ | chem|st: ping | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | yep, afaik | 17:44 |
| vi__ | perhaps he will know if germany has a trading standards office. | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I don't even know what that might be | 17:45 |
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| vi__ | where you can make complaints about ships that rip people off. | 17:45 |
| vi__ | ^shops | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | "Verbraucherzentrale" | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | or the police | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | for international trade there's still another entity, to settle conflicts with inner-EU trade | 17:49 |
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| vi__ | what if I bought somthing from germany and it has turned out to be substandard. | 17:52 |
| vi__ | ? | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | complain at the shop where you bought it | 17:52 |
| vi__ | If I give you his address, could you go around to his place and puch him in the dick? | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I could, but next week I'm busy ;-P | 17:53 |
| vi__ | but what do you do if the shop owner ignores your complaints and refuses to refund your money? | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | vi__: you're in East? | 17:54 |
| vi__ | UK | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | aaah | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | no problem then, you are actually part of EU, believe it or not (still) | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | each EU country has an EU trade conflict settlement entity - don't ask me about the name | 17:55 |
| vi__ | EU==hooray for propping up shithole countries that forgot to collect any tax for 20 years. | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | yeah | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | hail hellas | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | vi__: afaik you have two weeks to send good back without further reasoning, after reception | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | goods* | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | and if value of goods is >(iirc)30EUR, shop has to even refund you for shipping fee | 17:58 |
| vi__ | unfortunatley it has been 3 months. | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | but first of all, complain @ shop | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | hmm, that's bad | 18:00 |
| vi__ | the shock absorber has just been fitted. | 18:00 |
| vi__ | and it is fucked. | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | so all you got now is your legal warranty | 18:00 |
| vi__ | it was supposed to be good. | 18:00 |
| vi__ | I paid >wpp euros | 18:00 |
| vi__ | I paid >200 euros | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | still same: complain @ shop, ask for warranty replacement | 18:01 |
| vi__ | I am FUCKING INSANE WITH RAGE. | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I know that. All the waiting, all the trouble to order stuff, all the work to fit the part, just to realize it's been futile | 18:02 |
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| * vi__ has learnt a harsh lesson. | 18:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer06 | well, shit happens | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | even with decent shops | 18:03 |
| vi__ | Somedays you are the statue, somedays you are the bird. | 18:03 |
| fasta | vi__: you'd wish you had nuclear launch capability at such times, right? | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I ordered a laptop with all sorts of custom tweaking and accessories. When it arrived it turned out the friggin lenovo proprietary PSU was defect. I mailed and called the shop about it and they sent me a free replacement PSU, one for the mail and one for the phonecall ;-D | 18:05 |
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| fasta | I kind of hate it that these webshops cannot send a replacement part back first. | 18:06 |
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| fasta | I mean before I send out the semi-broken item. | 18:06 |
| fasta | Or are there shops which do this? | 18:06 |
| fasta | For example with broken mobos. | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | this shop did - "no, please don't send in the broken PSU. It needs proper disposal for recycling, could you please do that for us?" | 18:07 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer06: perhaps they know you as some technical "God"? | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | definitely not | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I explained I tested mains cable -> 230V~. next break: plug to laptop -> 0V | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | so, I concluded, it's the PSU or cable mounted to PSU that's defect | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | they sent me two replacements right away | 18:09 |
| obengdako | hi my first time here, i just installed whatsapp using the java oracle deb and the whatsapp deb file, i can't seem to see any messages sent to me, any suggestions | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | hi obengdako | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | obengdako: which device? | 18:11 |
| obengdako | hi DocScrutinizer06 nokia n900 | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | so, a) seems you're at the right place here for your question, b) I have no idea and c) wait if somebody else will answer next 2..3h. If not, repeat your question, maybe a bit more prevcise regarding what you did install, and what's the problem/symptoms you encounter | 18:13 |
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| Estel_ | fasta, OTOh, I would recommend You to install busybox power, as said... | 18:16 |
| Estel_ | this way, Yuo hjave same, consistent tool njo matter if you're just booting and using recovery console... | 18:16 |
| Estel_ | or already in fully working system | 18:16 |
| Estel_ | also, same task can be done with busybox as well, so installing bash is either laziness - most of the times - that only waste space | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | AIUI whatsapp is written in java and you isntalled a java runtime thing - oracle? | 18:17 |
| Estel_ | or, in some cases, needed for complicated scripts mean to do really, really rarelly needed thing,s that You don't want to re-write | 18:17 |
| Estel_ | i.e. things that you will never ever use ;) | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | some URLs might help, to point to the actual stuff you installed | 18:17 |
| Estel_ | writing scripts in bahs for N900 is a PITA - one day, you may want to share it with someone, and now, maintain compatibility | 18:17 |
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| obengdako | hi my first time here, i just installed whatsapp using the java oracle-embedded-jre and the whatsapp-java-alpha , i can't seem to see any messages sent to me, any suggestions, device n900 | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | or wheter you installed via HildonApplicationManager, and what's the exact names of packages then | 18:18 |
| Estel_ | and replacing busybox with bash for good, except boot, is *not* recommended at all | 18:18 |
| Estel_ | You never know, what will fail on such system, while it's working for others flawlessly. | 18:18 |
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| Estel_ | obengdako, for whatsap questions, we're hitting You @ ear using rusty fork. | 18:19 |
| fasta | Does a HTC sensation have a builtin FM transmitter also? | 18:20 |
| Estel_ | = either search forum for some things ported to n900 without reason, or, beg whatsshit developers to release N900 version, or *prefferrably*, use Jabber | 18:20 |
| Estel_ | or how it's called now | 18:20 |
| fasta | Lots of people seem to say 'no' and a few say 'yes'. | 18:20 |
| Estel_ | fasta, maybe just google for it? How we're supposed to know? | 18:21 |
| Estel_ | check official specings | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | fasta: nfc | 18:21 |
| fasta | Estel_: I did. Mostly uninformed people. Yeah, will do. | 18:21 |
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| obengdako | Estel_ i don't quite understand | 18:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | haha, fine you made me look at chanlogs once again - for some technical reasons I can't see what user estel_ writes | 18:28 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer06: is that an /ignore type of reason? | 18:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | fasta: replacing busybox by busybox-pwoer is the thing not recommended at all. Installing bash on the other hand is a perfectly sane thing to do, don't worry about any nonsensical compatibility issues | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | jacekowski: yup | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | fasta: quite obviously relying on other users having installed busybox-power is an insane thing, and you can't specify busybox-pwer in your shebang. You for sure can have a shebang like #!/bin/bash, and that's proper unix way to handle this sort of percieved "incompatibility" | 18:31 |
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| Estel_ | fasta, it's your decision what to do. anyway, you might like to search TMO for post/threads of user,s that replaced busybox with bash, and face many, many problems | 18:33 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, would say, that it's fault of poorly written programs/scripts - which also have some emrit behind it - yet, I think that laziness of some users, that dictate them to use bash instead of learning ash, is ever more poor excuse | 18:34 |
| Estel_ | despite popular opinion, busybox isn't worse -it's differrent, msot of the times. And "old timers" don't like to change their habits ;) | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | obengdako: I dunno what Estel_ recommended. If you want to get proper advice here, you need to ask proper questions. A proper question will allow those who want to help to understand precisely what you did. That includes URLs of downloaded packages, of howto webpages you've read, etc | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | commands you did. just enough so any other user in here can understand what it was you actually did | 18:35 |
| Estel_ | I'm strange example of someone, who had contact with ashy first, and bash some times after - bash irritates me as much, as ash irritates most bash users ;) | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | or simply: | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~ask | 18:36 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | and | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~question | 18:36 |
| Estel_ | busybox-power is effort by legendary Maemo developer - iDont - to bring us latest updstream version of busybox | 18:36 |
| infobot | question is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 18:36 |
| Estel_ | and, he succeed - busybox-power is, in fact, upstream version. even more, idon't patches affected upstream releases too. | 18:36 |
| Estel_ | busybox-power is one of essential packages for Maemo, no matter what. Of course, again, it's up to You to decide what You want to use. BTW, there is no problem in using BOTH busybox-power and bash | 18:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | haha, sometimes chanlogs are really great :-P | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | fasta: you're NOT supposed to replace stock busybox by ANYTHING, not even busybox-power | 18:39 |
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| fasta | What happened to http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/Quassel2Go?content=136828 ? | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | busybox is a core essential part of maemo boot process, replacing it by anything else is foolish. AIUI busybox-power does exactly that, replace busybox | 18:39 |
| fasta | I.e., where can I download a quassel client deb? | 18:40 |
| fasta | Or alternatively instructions to do a cross-compile. | 18:40 |
| fasta | I would prefer a deb. | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | fasta: in short: install and use whatever shell you prefer best. *NEVER* though you shalt make any other shell default shell | 18:41 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, if You're reading chanlogs so religiously - it's quite funny and a little pathetic, that You ignore me, yet, check every line from chanlog. Souns like kind of masochism ;) | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | for user (it seems bash as root's default shell is safe) | 18:41 |
| Estel_ | s/souns/sounds/ | 18:41 |
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| Estel_ | BTW, whinning about busybox-power replacing busybox is poor bullshit, written by someone who actually don't know what busybox-power is | 18:43 |
| Estel_ | something also called FUD | 18:43 |
| Estel_ | busybox-power incorporates upstream busybox patches - i.e., it's latest upstream version - that ADD funcionality and FIXES bugs, without dropping any things possible in stock busybox | 18:44 |
| Estel_ | think about it like cssu, yet, even more compatible. | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | though I strongly discourrage to do bash default shell for root as well | 18:44 |
| Estel_ | (if it wouldn't be due to ideologically biased maintainer, busybox-power would be part of cssu for ages) | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | and in this context busybox means "the shell and all the 'builtin' commands it comes with" - that's why most unix tools come in gnu-disguise and install under /usr/bin/gnu/* | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | replacing the busybox symlinks aka alternatives by proper original unix-tools will also result in bootloop | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | fasta: and obviously you ran into a busybox-power incompatibility/bug in busybox-ls that has potential to also cause bootloop or other severe issues when you dare to replace original busybox by this powa thing | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | fasta: bottom line: either stick with builtin busybox, or et an *additional* decent shell like described in | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~jrtools | 18:49 |
| infobot | it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | since | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~messybox | 18:50 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 18:50 |
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| Estel_ | of course DocScrutinizer is spreading FUD, as usual | 18:52 |
| Estel_ | <DocScrutinizer06> fasta: and obviously you ran into a busybox-power incompatibility/bug in busybox-ls that has potential to also cause bootloop or other severe issues | 18:53 |
| Estel_ | couldn't be more wrong. | 18:53 |
| andre__ | and of course Estel_ is bitching about it, as usual. | 18:56 |
| Estel_ | andre__, any argument? | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | andre__: thanks! | 18:56 |
| Estel_ | to prove incompatibility and busybox-ls? | 18:57 |
| Estel_ | or You're just trolling around? | 18:57 |
| andre__ | Estel_, sorry, I don't hand out arguments if you miss any. | 18:57 |
| Estel_ | oh, of course | 18:57 |
| Estel_ | You sound very reliably ;) | 18:57 |
| andre__ | :-*, honey :) | 18:58 |
| Estel_ | anyway, there are *no* compatibility problems in busybox-power, at all. There *was* - long time ago - minor issue with SU, but it was fixed as soon as reported. | 18:58 |
| Estel_ | such FUD is disregard for hard work iDont put into busybox-power | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | a simple /whois would teach reasonable adults about supoosed competence | 18:58 |
| Estel_ | in fact, it's bastardish disrespect, as - obviously - people criticizing don't have clue about busybox-power at all | 18:59 |
| andre__ | Estel_, you're really not in a position to complain about missing disrespect | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | not to mean andre__, who, probably, doesn't have a clue about topic of discussion at all, but is trolling just for sake of it ;) | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | @chanop: please calm channel, please control adultery and insult! | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | andre__, fine, put this meaningless sentenc einto Your | and smoke it - as, as usual, you don't have *any* argument to prove Your thesis | 19:00 |
| andre__ | Estel_, correct! I just dislike your unfriendly, rude, childish style. | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | You're defending FUD about busybox-powe,r yet, You don't even know what we're talking abouty. | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, please consider fact, that any chanel abuse form Your side will be Your last action as channel operator. | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | s/adultery and// | 19:01 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer06 meant: @chanop: please calm channel, please control insult! | 19:01 |
| Estel_ | we're discussing about merits | 19:01 |
| andre__ | Estel_, if you had arguments, you would have a better and more convincing way to communicate them. My meta-conclusions, so to say. | 19:01 |
| andre__ | Estel_, no problem, I also have channel op rights ;) | 19:01 |
| Estel_ | of course. as soon as anyone is going to make any *argument* why busybox-power is incompatible... | 19:01 |
| Estel_ | i'll gladly respon in tech answer | 19:02 |
| Estel_ | or, agree, if it will be proved to be true | 19:02 |
| andre__ | Cheers! | 19:02 |
| Estel_ | instead, we have pathetic troll, that appear here out of nowhere, saying "xx is bitching again", without any interest in actual topic of discussion | 19:02 |
| Estel_ | yea, cheer | 19:02 |
| Estel_ | it's all You can do, anyway | 19:02 |
| andre__ | Estel_, true, I'm just interested in some basic etiquette that you miss - you've shown that often enough. | 19:03 |
| Estel_ | I'm friendly for everyone, who like to have a civilized, merit discussion, and I don't plan to be friendly for trolls, jumping here and calling names, just because there is occasion to. | 19:03 |
| andre__ | and that's harmful for this community. | 19:03 |
| andre__ | ROFL | 19:03 |
| andre__ | yeah. sure. | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | andre__: we're not supposed to act against Estel_as soon as his insults are diectly aimed against us (chanops)? | 19:03 |
| Estel_ | well, so enjoy fact that I've same opinion about You, + your complete lack of merit - writing for sake of writing. | 19:03 |
| Estel_ | Deal? | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | sane policy indeed | 19:04 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, Your constant alusions to abusing chanop, jsut because it's what You would liek to do now - yet, are to scarred to try - are ensuring me, that cleaning IRC management is even more urgent think, that I though before. | 19:05 |
| Estel_ | You may be considered main (by terms of availability) chanop here, yet, You completely fail to diverse Your persopnal disagreements with users from Your chanop duties. | 19:05 |
| Estel_ | just for the sake of it, I'm going to quote those lines about "suppoosed" incompatibility in busybox-power and ask iDont - busybox-power developer - about it | 19:08 |
| Estel_ | after all, it's harmful for the community, that such FUD is spread on official channel, by chanop (that mention 6 or 7 times during discussion, that he IS chanop) | 19:08 |
| andre__ | Let's admit that we all 3 have ego problems, as a start :) | 19:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | popcorn! anybody want popcorn? | 19:09 |
| andre__ | I could offer a beer from the minibar too! | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | :-d | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | :-D | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | we'd need some of his tough chan moderation nowadays | 19:25 |
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| fasta | When I play a .mp4 file with kmplayer, the video lags behind the audio by a lot. | 20:36 |
| fasta | It seems that it cannot keep up. | 20:36 |
| fasta | Is there something better? | 20:37 |
| fasta | Also, in kmplayer, how can I delete something from favourites? | 20:37 |
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| fasta | Or is there some app to autoconvert to avi? | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: (something better) I think the default medaiplayer does a decent job | 20:44 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: the media player says it doesn't understand the way the file is organized. | 20:44 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: i.e. it doesn't play at all. | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 20:44 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: I cp'ed the file to my desktop and can now see the codec, I hope. | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a couple of additional gtreamer codec pkgs | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might help | 20:45 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: VIDEO: [H264] 1280x720 24bpp 90000.000 fps 11965.5 kbps (1460.6 kbyte/s) | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I'm not sure if maemo-mediaplayer would profit | 20:46 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: any chance that will work? | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, 1280*720 is quite a bit | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I don't know | 20:46 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: is there any hw accel. for that? | 20:47 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: it's the kind of video modern phones generate. | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually there should, yes | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 20:47 |
| fasta | In this case not, like I said. | 20:48 |
| fasta | Searching for codec in HAM => nothing | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are others around that are way more knowlegable than me regarding this media stuff | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache search gstreamer0.10-plugins | 20:49 |
| fasta | I didn't have those. | 20:53 |
| fasta | Now I do. | 20:53 |
| fasta | Any reason to believe it makes a difference? | 20:54 |
| fasta | That made no difference. | 20:54 |
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| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: one of those gstreamer packages is broken now | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: honestly, I'm not competent regarding video codecs etc | 21:09 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: http://paste.kde.org/496802/ | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all I seem to know is mediaplayer is using mafw | 21:09 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: that's apt-get -f install output now | 21:09 |
| fasta | mafw? | 21:09 |
| fasta | So, basically it cannot install because some other package was already installed. | 21:10 |
| fasta | But I also cannot remove it, because lots of other stuff depends on it. | 21:10 |
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| fasta | Real nice. | 21:10 |
| fasta | :/ | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | medai application framework | 21:10 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: ? | 21:10 |
| fasta | Ok | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_(MAFW) | 21:11 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: but regarding apt-get specifics? | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea, sorry | 21:11 |
| fasta | All I would like now is to get it in a sane state again. | 21:11 |
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| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: I fixed it myself. | 21:12 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: but what do you do when you get a high-bit rate video from someone? | 21:13 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: just don't play it on your phone? | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you find the definitive answer to this question, please let me know | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | AIUI the decoding of high-bitrate HD video is quite heavy and thus can't get done on N900, even if you would assume it to scale to N900 screen/video compatible format after decoding | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't get done in realtime, that is | 21:16 |
| fasta | Well, I wouldn't mind waiting, as long as it's done in the background. | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think there are quite a number of transcoders available, that would process like a few seconds per minute, and eventually provide a 480*800 video file | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never looked into all that | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even on desktop PC | 21:19 |
| fasta | Handbrake also doesn't compile out of the box. | 21:19 |
| fasta | I wonder what people find so hard about creating something that works on generic Linux. | 21:19 |
| fasta | From my experience it's pretty easy. | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who's finding what? | 21:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, I already thought looking at chanlog would help I understand why you post that statement. But there's no hidden statement claiming "it's not a simple thing to create working stuff on generic linux" | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/I/me/. | 21:29 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: the people who release Handbrake source code. | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: (regarding what to do when somebody sends you high-bitrate video) either the one sending this to you thought you should watch it on a 54" HD screen, or it's been a noob who sent it. In the latter case I tend to process on it like I do with inadvertedly sent in .doc files or HTML-only mails. Reject and/or delete | 21:38 |
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| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: well, the words of the n00b would probably be 'buy a decent phone then' ;) | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | noobs alrready asked me if I don't finally want to get a smartphone instead my Nokia N900 | 22:39 |
| robbiethe1st | But why? | 22:40 |
| luke-jr | lol | 22:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Who wants a /smartphone/ anyway? | 22:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Seems silly. a Micro-PC(with phone functionality) is /far/ better. | 22:40 |
| freemangordon | but wouldn't it make you smarter(smartphone I mean)? :P | 22:41 |
| robbiethe1st | Nah, it /steals/ your smarts. | 22:41 |
| robbiethe1st | It is smart so you don't have to be. | 22:41 |
| fasta | But if you jailbreak an android phone, can't you also just put some random OS on it? | 22:41 |
| fasta | E.g. Ubuntu. | 22:41 |
| robbiethe1st | Not really. | 22:42 |
| fasta | I thought Ubuntu was trying to do those kinds of things. | 22:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Trying, yes. But so far, I've not seen something as good as Maemo | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | AFAIK ubuntu has only OMAP3/4 builds (besides x86) | 22:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Between closed driver blobs, Ubuntu aiming for a hybrid design that still runs Android at the phone level... | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | BTW guys thumb2 season is open http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/ | 22:43 |
| fasta | I think the hard parts of a phone work really good in Maemo, but the software isn't really _that_ great. | 22:44 |
| robbiethe1st | Maby when Allwinner comes out with an A9 derivitive, we'll have a better solution - Their A10(which is a Cortex A8 derivitive) is an excellent chip, OSS friendly. | 22:44 |
| Sc0rpius | I wonder why my browser has become slow with time | 22:44 |
| fasta | or rather on an n900. | 22:44 |
| robbiethe1st | Nah, hardware's lacking with the N900 | 22:44 |
| Sc0rpius | I mean I type a URL in microB and it takes a long time even to start DNSing it and downloading it | 22:44 |
| Sc0rpius | it wasn't like that when my phone was new :( | 22:44 |
| freemangordon | Sc0rpius: the same here, very strange | 22:44 |
| Sc0rpius | I hope it doesn't have something to do with CSSU... | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | i've cleaned all of the offline storage, no use | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | shouldn't have | 22:45 |
| fasta | robbiethe1st: sure, it's underpowered, but it doesn't seem to have major bugs. | 22:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Personally, I've been running OC'd to 900mhz, with PR1.3 and swappolube; helps emencely | 22:45 |
| fasta | swappolube, what a name. | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | my syster has CSSU too, microb is fast on her n900 | 22:45 |
| robbiethe1st | That is true. Only real HW bug is the USB port. | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | Sc0rpius: though I am not sure whether she has adblock installed | 22:46 |
| Sc0rpius | I do have it installed | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | me too | 22:46 |
| Sc0rpius | but I have always have it installed | 22:46 |
| Sc0rpius | since I bought the phone | 22:46 |
| Sc0rpius | it was one of the first things I installed | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | the same here, but that was first that come to my mind | 22:47 |
| Sc0rpius | you wiped history and stuff? | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | yep | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | no difference | 22:47 |
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| freemangordon | and I can bet it has something to do with DNS | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | but NFC what | 22:48 |
| robbiethe1st | Try editing /etc/resolv.conf, comment out everything and add | 22:48 |
| robbiethe1st | nameserver 8.8.8.8 | 22:48 |
| robbiethe1st | to a new line | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | robbiethe1st: there is no /etc/resolv.conf | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | it is dnsmasq.conf | 22:49 |
| robbiethe1st | May be a CSSU thing then | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | or KP? | 22:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Mine has a resolv.conf | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | meh | 22:50 |
| robbiethe1st | Nope, I run KP | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | Read what I wrote, please | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | re my sisters n900 | 22:50 |
| robbiethe1st | Bugs don't always act the same way | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | It was me to setup her n900, almost the same as mine (CSSU-T, KP, swap on uSD, etc,etc) | 22:51 |
| Sc0rpius | it's not DNS related. If I type the URL of my LAN web server using the IP it still takes an awful time to start connecting | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | she uses different mobile network though | 22:52 |
| robbiethe1st | Have you tried restarting microb? run killall browser; killall browserd | 22:52 |
| Sc0rpius | I tried even rebooting the phone | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | robbiethe1st: You can bet me and Sc0rpius even rebooted | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 22:53 |
| Sc0rpius | but it takes LONG time, like 40 seconds or up to a minute to start connecting | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | the same here | 22:53 |
| Sc0rpius | after it connects, it downloads fine | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | exactly | 22:53 |
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| robbiethe1st | Don't have the problem myself, but I have had it seemingly not connect occasionally | 22:53 |
| robbiethe1st | But I've never let it sit for 40sec to see if it does | 22:54 |
| robbiethe1st | I'll just killall browser/browserd, and when the app restarts it works fine | 22:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | /etc/resov.conf is meant to point to 128.0.0.1 *always* | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dnsmasq does the real work | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | regarding delay on even stratup: that's exactly what I experience on this Laptop with fresh Linux install as well, already wondered if it's related to Ipv6 or sth | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exctla those 40s Sc0rpius sees | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 23:00 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer: could be | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already tried to whireshark the issue, no results yet | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | 128.0.0.1? :P | 23:01 |
| freemangordon | :D | 23:02 |
| freemangordon | that is second localhost :P | 23:02 |
| Sc0rpius | /etc/resolv.conf should point to 127.0.0.1 in Maemo??? | 23:02 |
| freemangordon | no | 23:02 |
| freemangordon | AFAIK | 23:02 |
| Sc0rpius | no way there's no named in Maemo. | 23:03 |
| freemangordon | Nokia-N900:~# ps | grep named | 23:03 |
| freemangordon | 3137 root 2088 S grep named | 23:03 |
| Sc0rpius | but it works though... | 23:03 |
| Sc0rpius | Server: 127.0.0.1 | 23:04 |
| Sc0rpius | Address 1: 127.0.0.1 Nokia-N900-51-1 | 23:04 |
| Sc0rpius | Name: www.sun.com | 23:04 |
| Sc0rpius | Address 1: 137.254.16.113 bigip-www-legacy-sun-cms-adc.oracle.com | 23:04 |
| Sc0rpius | but that doesn't fix the issue, it still takes time to connect | 23:05 |
| Sc0rpius | I really wonder what it is... | 23:05 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, I am seeing a massive UDP packet bursts to tenths of ip dresses | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | *addresses | 23:06 |
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| freemangordon | very strange, it takes exactly 15 seconds for the start of the bursts and first SYN to TMO | 23:09 |
| freemangordon | s/for/from | 23:09 |
| Sc0rpius | 37 seconds here and browserd was +90% CPU during all that time | 23:11 |
| freemangordon | yep, almost the same here | 23:11 |
| freemangordon | going to check if "clear private data" actually clears the database | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | aah, my bad, the same here | 23:15 |
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| Sc0rpius | try this: | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ps|grep dns | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1650 nobody 2160 S /usr/sbin/dnsmasq -k -i lo -a 127.0.0.1 -z | 23:16 |
| Sc0rpius | Options -> AddOns -> disable adblock, restart microb (there's a button for that) | 23:16 |
| freemangordon | i've tried it, no luck | 23:16 |
| freemangordon | did it help you? | 23:16 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm | 23:16 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah same here | 23:16 |
| Sc0rpius | no. | 23:16 |
| Sc0rpius | well maybe a little | 23:17 |
| Sc0rpius | it definitely went down from 40 seconds to 5 | 23:17 |
| Sc0rpius | though 5 is still high hehe | 23:18 |
| freemangordon | hmm, let me trey once again then | 23:18 |
| freemangordon | *try | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no adblock though on my Lenovo T500 in konqueror | 23:18 |
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| freemangordon | Sc0rpius: it is deffinitely adblockplus :( | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | or whatever it is called | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually I don't encounter this annoying 40s delay not always, but rather seemingly on a somewhat random basis | 23:20 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah looks like that | 23:20 |
| Sc0rpius | DocScrutinizer05, are you using AdBlock? | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | more bugs, gimme more bugs :D:D:D | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though, I dunno what got installed on this fresh suse21.1 | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 12.1 | 23:21 |
| Sc0rpius | don't you wanna be a good soul and port AdBlock to microB in a lightweight manner? :) | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | Sc0rpius: today when I tried to disable adblock, I was connected to a crappy 2g network ;) | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | Sc0rpius: me? | 23:22 |
| Sc0rpius | the first time I tried it I didn't clear private data | 23:22 |
| Sc0rpius | so I'm not sure if it's a mix of the two | 23:22 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah you | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 23:22 |
| Sc0rpius | you want bugs I'm giving you a nice project | 23:22 |
| Sc0rpius | hehe | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm quite sure it's related to some rogue URL or IP or script embedded in some pages | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | some crappy JS? | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something like that | 23:23 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: that happens when openning TMO | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same | 23:23 |
| freemangordon | with JS disabled in browaser | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes dely, usually not | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | delay | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on Laptop, all my comments are related to x86 suse12.1 linux | 23:24 |
| freemangordon | hmm, lets ask google | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I'm missing the direct setting for java, JS, and cache policy under konqueror extras | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I just disabled java and had no delay for 10 pages I opened since. Not enough to claim any relevance | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | Sc0rpius: WTF? patterns.ini that comes with adblockplus package is 78k, the current one is about 560k | 23:41 |
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| ThreeM | Sc0rpius = the "Yappari" Sc0rpius? | 23:47 |
| freemangordon | yep | 23:48 |
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| Sc0rpius | hmm | 23:54 |
| Sc0rpius | yes I am | 23:54 |
| Sc0rpius | that's an interesting finding freemangordon | 23:55 |
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| Sc0rpius | didn't knew it actually updates itself | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | WOW, I've forgotten how fast is microb, damn, stupid ADP | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | Sc0rpius: yeah, didn't know it as well | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so... ? | 23:57 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah it's pretty fast. | 23:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 likes to pop stack and move return code to storage | 23:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | means: any results? | 23:58 |
| freemangordon | so.. ADB puts microb on its knees | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 23:58 |
| Sc0rpius | we could try with a tiny patterns.ini version | 23:59 |
| Sc0rpius | but I dunno, the difference is really huge | 23:59 |
| freemangordon | alreadyt tried it, the one from distribution | 23:59 |
| Sc0rpius | it actually even behaves faster with all those flash ads with animations than with ADB | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just that I fail to see how I could have ADB on my suse linux in konqueror. How would I check that? | 23:59 |
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| Sc0rpius | Konqueror? I don't think that's capable of having ADB | 23:59 |
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| freemangordon | aon startp it's been renamed to .bak, and a new one with only 178 bytes was created | 23:59 |
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