| vi__ | 10*1MB==50MB/s | 00:00 |
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| vi__ | I pasted a link to an article earlier that showed alligning FS to flash erase block size would show improvements in speed. | 00:01 |
| vi__ | Is this a thing you know about? | 00:02 |
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| vi__ | http://blogofterje.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/optimizing-fs-on-sd-card/ | 00:06 |
| vi__ | this chap for example. | 00:06 |
| vi__ | it is times like thes I wish I had an extra n900. | 00:07 |
| vi__ | mmmm | 00:08 |
| vi__ | I could us my swap partition to play with file systems on my live system! | 00:09 |
| vi__ | brb, xterm | 00:09 |
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| Estel_ | oh god... following some link pages from wrt54gl made me run into openmoko, and, sudden of nothing, i know why this project failed miserably | 00:22 |
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| Estel_ | 666 euro for device with 2,5'' (or so) screen, 800 mhz processor and 512 ram | 00:22 |
| Estel_ | + 69 euro for optional camera module | 00:23 |
| Estel_ | ... | 00:23 |
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| Estel_ | I hope that vivaldi and future projects are going to do it *right* way | 00:23 |
| vi__ | well it was a fully open phone. | 00:23 |
| vi__ | without a major manufacturer behind it. | 00:24 |
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| Estel_ | yes, but price and form?! | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | after all, if they *had* resources to put it the way it was... | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | they could have better specification without actually rising price tag very much | 00:26 |
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| Estel_ | +, they zealot'ishly followed rule of being "phone first", which resulted on poor size for a mobile computer... | 00:26 |
| Estel_ | and of course, 0 interest from users of dummy phones (why they should care, anyway?) | 00:26 |
| Estel_ | using so small form/screen + so poor resolution is really masochistic idea | 00:27 |
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| Estel_ | i.e. if they actually made so much effort in creating it, it wouldn't hurt to make it actually usable. Then, even price tag could be ignored. | 00:27 |
| mavhc | it's old, of course it looks bad now | 00:27 |
| Estel_ | GTA04 isn't old | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 | 00:28 |
| vi__ | ~ # mount /dev/mmcblk0p3 /media/swap/ | 00:28 |
| vi__ | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p3 on /media/swap/ failed: Invalid argument | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | just someone decided to re-use old parts like screen etc | 00:28 |
| vi__ | Y U NO MOUNT???? | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | because linuxtype swap isn't mountable? | 00:28 |
| vi__ | that is just the name, not the fs | 00:28 |
| mavhc | so the screen is old | 00:29 |
| Estel_ | mavhc, screen, device size, = form factor. | 00:29 |
| vi__ | -t ext4 | 00:29 |
| vi__ | fu gnu | 00:29 |
| Estel_ | vi__, what are You cooking, overall? | 00:29 |
| mavhc | in general, it's old | 00:29 |
| Estel_ | mavhc, it doesn't sound like being new even when born. Efforts were great, but design decisions... | 00:30 |
| Estel_ | it's awesome that someone could actually design such thing being fully FOSS, and fail at "simple" things for mortals | 00:30 |
| Estel_ | i.e. what would be cost of using some sane screen for gta04, instead of putting it into old case... | 00:30 |
| Estel_ | and/or offer slide-out keyboard like N900 | 00:31 |
| Estel_ | ...after costs for designing board itself | 00:31 |
| Estel_ | this way, it's made for rich masochists. | 00:31 |
| Estel_ | just small, tiny alternations in design would make it for rich, or devoted, but not especiaslly masochists ;) | 00:31 |
| Estel_ | it's like... designing N950, and strippoing it down to keyboard-less N9 with closed frankenstein UI called harmattan :P | 00:32 |
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| Estel_ | but even worse, as the latter is done by big company that have much money to lose, and the former was truly nice attempt to make FOSS phone | 00:32 |
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| vi__ | why I do not have mkreiserfs??? | 00:34 |
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| Estel_ | because You don't have reiserfs | 00:38 |
| chem|st | vi__: do you think you'll need reiser on a mmc? | 00:38 |
| Estel_ | on N900, even with power kernel | 00:38 |
| Estel_ | chem|st, reiserfs proved to be quite effective on emmc | 00:38 |
| vi__ | chem|st: frankly I have no idea. | 00:38 |
| vi__ | chem|st: but it is my right to try! | 00:38 |
| Estel_ | some claim that even more than journal-less ext4 variant | 00:38 |
| Estel_ | vi__, sure, just compile Your own reiserfs moduels for kernel-power | 00:38 |
| vi__ | Estel_: your ED image is broken | 00:39 |
| Estel_ | and ask Pali to include them in further versions | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody got any big suggestions for MWKN this week? | 00:39 |
| Estel_ | how come? ;) What isn't working this time? | 00:39 |
| vi__ | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: syntax error: unknown group 'crontab' in statoverride file | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | The only thing between you and publication is me since Jaffa's on vacation and fiferboy is MIA, so now's your big chance! | 00:39 |
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| vi__ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) | 00:39 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, unless You want to cover argues on IRC ;) I think nothing itneresting happened | 00:39 |
| vi__ | compcache | 00:40 |
| Estel_ | vi__, haven't seen anything like that and other users of Ed image haven't reported it. | 00:40 |
| vi__ | swappiness 100 is the new swappiness 30 | 00:40 |
| vi__ | do other users use apt-get? | 00:40 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, will check recent evets, maybe I've missed something | 00:40 |
| Estel_ | vi__, of course | 00:40 |
| Estel_ | vi__, as You remember re freemangordon, your compcache setup wasn;t working properly even for opera mini in background and something | 00:41 |
| Estel_ | I appreciate work, but it's really just for Your use case | 00:41 |
| Estel_ | maybe someone's else too | 00:41 |
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| Estel_ | wouldn't cover it on MWNM just now | 00:41 |
| vi__ | derp | 00:41 |
| vi__ | DERP | 00:41 |
| vi__ | that was for a VERY specific case when attempting to run a 128MB disksize | 00:42 |
| vi__ | between 16-80MB with swappiness 100 it runs like a champ. | 00:43 |
| Estel_ | interesting | 00:43 |
| vi__ | I have had it on for about 2 days now. | 00:43 |
| Estel_ | would need further testing, though | 00:43 |
| Estel_ | as still settings used are absurdal, ane we have no idea why it works | 00:43 |
| Raimu | vi__: What size are you using now, then? | 00:43 |
| Estel_ | do you really want any average joe to turn it on and then scream, that lost his data due to device hang?:P | 00:43 |
| vi__ | that was for the nuts 128MB | 00:43 |
| vi__ | average joe can smoke my schlong | 00:44 |
| Estel_ | vi__, it seems i'm quite late at news about it | 00:44 |
| vi__ | keep all the settings stock except | 00:45 |
| vi__ | swappiness 100 (which is stock anyway) | 00:46 |
| Estel_ | hm, i would tune them up :P | 00:46 |
| Estel_ | so, why, miracolously, problems dissapeared? | 00:46 |
| Estel_ | AFAIK, it was first thing tried by people | 00:46 |
| vi__ | echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/page-cluster | 00:47 |
| Estel_ | and it failed as soon as *real* swapping wa smvoed out of compcache | 00:47 |
| Estel_ | nah, won't work | 00:47 |
| Estel_ | the main problem is that compcache is Your primary swapo | 00:47 |
| vi__ | that was with a 128MB disksize | 00:47 |
| Estel_ | so after extended usage, You end up with... | 00:47 |
| Estel_ | old, unused data, sits in compcache... | 00:47 |
| Estel_ | i.e. the least used | 00:47 |
| Estel_ | (as it was put there primaly) | 00:47 |
| vi__ | echo 15 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_ratio | 00:48 |
| Estel_ | and actively used data, i.e. constantly swaped in and out, ends up in secondary swap, i.e. real one | 00:48 |
| Estel_ | honestly, it seems that ShadowJk is right about it not being possible to work correctly without backing swap and alktering kernel mechanism of handling swap | 00:48 |
| Estel_ | not that I udnerstand fully what it means :P | 00:48 |
| Estel_ | but freemangordon does, so we may be on right - yet long - way | 00:49 |
| vi__ | well. | 00:49 |
| Estel_ | anyway, they boith claim that it would result in really, really huge speed gain re swapping | 00:49 |
| vi__ | ... | 00:49 |
| vi__ | WFM | 00:49 |
| Estel_ | ~wfm | 00:49 |
| infobot | i heard wfm is (Wired For Management Baseline) This is an Intel hardware specification that is designed to allow for compliance with easier management of desktop PCs in a networked environment. The specification calls for computers to be compatible with a pre-boot protocol that can be used to update the system or perform other management options. Also, the computer must be compatible with network/desktop management applications.. Works For Me | 00:49 |
| Estel_ | vi__, I agree... | 00:50 |
| Estel_ | but WFM isn't enough to put something into banner of MWN or whatever :P | 00:50 |
| Estel_ | hey, I've got an idea | 00:50 |
| Estel_ | ping freemangordon | 00:50 |
| Estel_ | ping Pali | 00:50 |
| vi__ | wut for | 00:50 |
| Pali | Estel, pong | 00:50 |
| Estel_ | Pali, as we're aware, alck fo more kernel-power developers is one of main problems, yes? hands for doing the job | 00:51 |
| Estel_ | I don't know if it would help much, but | 00:51 |
| Estel_ | what do you think about asking qwazix to prepare banner for kernel-power project | 00:51 |
| Estel_ | just like for CSSU | 00:51 |
| Estel_ | + volounteers would made better wiki page for kernel (adjust it) | 00:51 |
| Estel_ | so it's reasdable for someone not involved in using too | 00:51 |
| Estel_ | then, putting it in front page? | 00:51 |
| Estel_ | maybe not idea that cause sea to divide and allow to pass ;) | 00:52 |
| Estel_ | but, after all, kp and CSSU are main community projects... CSSU got such things, maybe KP should to | 00:52 |
| Estel_ | after all, less IRC-involved and TMO-involved people could get interested. Better chances to find someone with less or more rusty skills in kernel-hacking | 00:52 |
| Estel_ | thoughts, comments? | 00:53 |
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| chem|st | people with rusty skills in kernel hacking we had till KP46... maybe ask conman for some help or others directly | 00:56 |
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| Estel_ | chem|st, you think no one tried that? | 00:58 |
| chem|st | some bad-ass kernel freaks | 00:58 |
| chem|st | I do not know if someone asked conman... | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | no one had shiny golde skills form beginning. If someone have rusty skills ate beginning, he/she can make them better due to feedback from less rusty people | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | like ingenious Pali and freemangordon | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | afaik, thta is how FOSS projects work | 00:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | vi_ I had to check chanlog to see those on my /ignore are spreading FUD and usual lies again, this time about openmoko though. I honnestly ask everybody to look and study pages like http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/Community/ (NB it's a company called golden delicious, NUTTIN to do with openmoko inc which basically doesn't exist anymore) | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | bad-ass kernel freaks seem to be very devoted to their projects | 00:59 |
| chem|st | rusty skills... learn adjectives first maybe | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | chem|st, argumentum ad persona? | 00:59 |
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| chem|st | Estel_: don't start it again! | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | while goldelico is not a big fail but a big story just about to start | 01:00 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: o/ | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | we have enough *looks at DocScrutinizer* "I know everything" specialist-bad-ass, that talk more and do less. i'm trying to help as much as I can with finding more working hands for KP. | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | chem|st, start what? I think I don't get You, honestly. | 01:01 |
| chem|st | mate, get your head cleared of that bullshit... you talk rusty... I talk fresh | 01:01 |
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| Estel_ | 0_o | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | are You sure You're feeling allright? anyway, it's Your problem | 01:01 |
| * Estel_ heading back to do something productive | 01:02 | |
| chem|st | WTF? | 01:02 |
| Cor-Ai | im kinda productive! | 01:02 |
| chem|st | Cor-Ai: good! | 01:02 |
| chem|st | Estel_: a little less conversation a bit more action pls | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | chem|st, who is saying that? Tlook @ the mirror. anyway, You're pinging me - back from work again - just to write bullshit like that? seriously? | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: I ask for assistance against personal insult in this channel. I'm not going to (ab)use my chanop powers to sort that issue myself | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | again, look @ the mirror and do something productive Yourself | 01:04 |
| * Estel_ is heading *again* to do some productive work | 01:04 | |
| chem|st | thanks tell me when this is over... | 01:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Gentlemen | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shut the hell up. | 01:05 |
| vi__ | lol | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm busy. | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless you want an editorial in MWKN about the whiny children inhabiting #maemo, then cut it. :P | 01:06 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, it seems that gcc-4.6 and Fremantle may be thing You would like to write about | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personal attacks are unproductive and, considering there's nobody here who isn't invested in the community, unwarranted. | 01:07 |
| Estel_ | last week, gcc-4.6 appeared in -devel repos | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Estel_, anybody got a thread or blog or something on it? | 01:08 |
| Estel_ | thus, last mielstone in providing it for fremantle was achieved, and now bug hunting season opened | 01:08 |
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| Estel_ | of course, providing links: | 01:08 |
| Estel_ | development thread on TMO (whole saga from beginning to current date): | 01:08 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81861 | 01:08 |
| Estel_ | people responsible: | 01:08 |
| Estel_ | AapoRantalainen | 01:08 |
| Estel_ | and to some extent,: | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | marmistrz | 01:09 |
| * merlin1991 never heard that beofre | 01:09 | |
| merlin1991 | s/that beofre/that name before/ | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | and szopin | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | AapoRantalainen is unknown to You, merlin1991 ? 0_o nothing bad, I'm just surprised | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon and merlin are, parallely, working on it for CSSU, yep? | 01:10 |
| Estel_ | here I'm quite old on info, so merlin1991 can provide more valuable informations, probably | 01:10 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon did use gcc 4.6 in order to get around thumb problems | 01:10 |
| merlin1991 | I just tried to package some stuff | 01:10 |
| Estel_ | ah, I see. | 01:10 |
| Estel_ | well, people installing gcc-4.6 from repos haven't run into preoblems, as for yesterday | 01:10 |
| Estel_ | I haven't been on TMO yet today | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | everything seemed to work fine | 01:11 |
| vi__ | GeneralAntilles: GeneralAntilles openmediaplayer on the n900 is officially kicking asses. | 01:11 |
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| vi__ | that might be newsworthy. | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | vi__, true, but what to write? it was covered some time ago | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | vi__, link? | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | if they would include it into CSSU, it would be something for a news :P | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm, we've already covered it. | 01:12 |
| vi__ | Estel_: it is not ready for that yet. | 01:12 |
| * Estel_ is using OpenMediaPlayer for ages and would never ever go back to stock | 01:12 | |
| vi__ | it needs 1 more thing. | 01:12 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, when it will be ready for CSSU-rewrites or hoever this shiny repo is called, it will be good to write about it again | 01:12 |
| Estel_ | vi__, hm? | 01:12 |
| vi__ | it needs to be able to open playlists so you can open web streams. | 01:13 |
| vi__ | just like stock MP | 01:13 |
| vi__ | It does NOT need a software equaliser though. | 01:13 |
| merlin1991 | simple fact, it's not going to have an qualiser | 01:14 |
| vi__ | w00t | 01:14 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, GeneralAntilles, I don't know if it isn't too niche, but serious problem have been discovere din SmsCON, tool aimed to help retrieving lost/stolen N900 | 01:14 |
| merlin1991 | no hook to add it to mafw, and it uses mafw | 01:14 |
| vi__ | streamer has no plugin? | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Estel_, thread? | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, discussion start here: | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1215664&postcount=1163 | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | and all post after this are about it | 01:15 |
| vi__ | Estel_: what is wromg with it? | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | (basically, SMSCON was always thought to play nicely with devices using auto-lock code, it turned out that it's not) | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | well, if You have auto lock code, SMSCON won't work, at all ;) | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | function to disable lock code upon discovering unauthorised sim doesn't workj | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | and no way to properly load smscon before lock code promt @ boot | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | yablacky, a trully skilled hacker who is currently maintaining smscon backend is investigating, with community, a ways to overcome it | 01:16 |
| vi__ | ... | 01:16 |
| vi__ | wtf not. | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | ...because now You have 2 options - either use smscon and *no* auto lock code (= truecrypt partitions with private data, mounted all the time, aren't protected - lock code forced to reboot device at least last, which made them unmount itself) | 01:17 |
| vi__ | just run it before X | 01:17 |
| Estel_ | vi__, check thread, yablacky tried it | 01:17 |
| Estel_ | and some parts haven't worked properly | 01:17 |
| Estel_ | i.e. detecting sim card | 01:17 |
| Estel_ | so no way for smscon to determine if authorised or not sim card is present | 01:17 |
| Estel_ | = no "stolen" mode | 01:17 |
| Estel_ | so it don't know if it should disable lock code | 01:17 |
| vi__ | ugh, too much for me to think about | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, coding competition is thinking about huge change of submissions form: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83761&page=19 | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | all former CC applications were diversed amongst many categories | 01:19 |
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| Estel_ | now, they're thinking about dropping categories at all, and throwing every participating program into one basket | 01:19 |
| merlin1991 | dat rofl | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | also, they're thinking about how to deal with multiplatform properly | 01:19 |
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| Estel_ | i.e how to properly recognize things that work on Fremantle, Mer, and Harmattan | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | without rewarding androids and so goes on | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, during last week, another 2 nokia sponsored branches of device program started | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | QT5: | 01:21 |
| vi__ | will CC2012 be such a type 'A' kluster fuck as last years? | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83761&page=19 | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | ...and Nokia Store: | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84589 | 01:21 |
| merlin1991 | hm seems that all the fun with gcc 4.6 in the repos foobared apt-get | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | so, total of 3/4 branches are running already, CC is last thing waiting for start | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, hm? | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | vi__, I've no idea | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | frankly, I don't even know what You mean by type 'A' kluster fuck :P | 01:22 |
| merlin1991 | I'll need another 10 min but I'm pretty sure the problem lies with extras-devel | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | yes, it lies there | 01:23 |
| Estel_ | can confirm disabling it get rid of warning | 01:23 |
| Estel_ | if You're talking about it | 01:23 |
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| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, after all, it seems that much happened during last week :P need more, or You've already full page? | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll cover anything relevant. | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, I don't know if it's interesting, but few geeks are investigating possibility of putting 6000 mAh battery into N900 with mugen-sized backcover | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | including me, so it's kinda shameless self advert | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Link? | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: thanks. | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, if we're talking about self-adverts - IDK if You've covered this: | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83928 | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | no problem, my pleasure | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | battery thing is related to that | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | as it turned out, that no way without doing custom body | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | (it's a project of custom body for N900, with external antennas connectors, tripod mounting point, and things like that) | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | last diea is to use 2x 18650 cells | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | special socket for them in body replacement | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | = thickness would be roughly like mugen cover | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | but, with 6000 mAh capacity, instead of 2400 offered by mugen, and 3000 via usage of dual scuds | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | + 18650's are cheap, widely available, and won't dissapear like batteries for certain phone models | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, honestly, one of my Councilor's dieas, that I haven't yet told about, was to work more closely with MWKN | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | that's why I was asking extensively about it lately | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | in case of need to trim down Maemo.org interface, it could replace news | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | News is pretty cheap on maemo.org | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it's unlikely something that would need to be trimmed for cost-cutting reasons. | 01:30 |
| * Estel_ nods | 01:31 | |
| Estel_ | can't remember now, but someone suggested that, when, for long period of time | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | 90% of content wasn't maemo related | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | due to many blogs being connected with it and not following rule of Maemo tags | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | after all, many people started to use thumb down feature, and it returned back to normal | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | still, MWKN provide much more rellevant info, most of the times, unless it's talking about Harmattan only ;) but, anyway, it's not editors fault, that no one send Maemo's info | 01:32 |
| Estel_ | closer cooperation + popularizing info about how to submit interesting things could make it covering even more, after all, MANY, *many* things are going on in Maemo community | 01:33 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, last week Ubuntu 12.04 started to work reliably on N900, thanks to freemangordon and his way to enable erratum fixes for N900's SoC | 01:34 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82819 | 01:34 |
| Estel_ | (this thread is about development of it since beginning, but, latets pages are about it) | 01:34 |
| Estel_ | generally, it uses modified nemo kernel, + reportedly, work blazing fast if You get rid of Unity and use things lixe LXDe, much faster than debian chroot | 01:35 |
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| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, Pali released updated version of bootmenu | 01:37 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74720&page=5 | 01:37 |
| Estel_ | fixes ages-old problems with it being not-compatible with U-Boot | 01:37 |
| Estel_ | also, development of U-boot for Maemo is quite fats last week, but I don't have link handy, will try to find | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | s/Maemo/N900/ | 01:38 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: also, development of U-boot for N900 is quite fats last week, but I don't have link handy, will try to find | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | Pali's changes got upstreamed, many times | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, ModRana - one of most popular navigational tool for Maemo started re-wriote into QML - current builds include both old GUI and new experimental one, with limited funcionality | 01:39 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58861&page=106 | 01:39 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, (self advert mode on again) ereswap, tools that helps to easy fighting swap-fragmentation for end-user was released: | 01:40 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84413 | 01:40 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, Pali, in process of upstreaming U-boot changes and introducing official support for N900 in U-boot mainstream, started to collect atag dumps from N900's with different revisions: | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn, and I thought this was going to be a light issue! | 01:42 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84560 | 01:42 |
| Estel_ | :D | 01:42 |
| Estel_ | ...but, in the process, it turned out that NOLO is sending different atags for sdame revisions types, sometimes, and no one have idea how it determines what is needed to be send. As a result... | 01:42 |
| Estel_ | reverse-engineering NOLO started again | 01:43 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, if You need threads worth talking, You can always ask me :P Though You may gonna start to hate it, as, in fact, it was really one of lightier weeks | 01:44 |
| Estel_ | I'm not sure if You would like to cover all interesting things during more heavy weeks... at least, not all alone, when Jaffa is out :P | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | and fiferboy | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn him. | 01:44 |
| Estel_ | ~fiferboy | 01:45 |
| Estel_ | NFc wh he is/was | 01:45 |
| Estel_ | s/wh/who/ | 01:45 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: NFc who he is/was | 01:45 |
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| Estel_ | I suppoose that 3rd editor of MWKN who is missing in action ;) | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Another of the old guard | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, yes, MIA editor. | 01:46 |
| Estel_ | Well, I think it's all for now, going to prepare some kind of dinner. Happy covering! | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, later. | 01:47 |
| luke-jr | Estel_: any chance you can tell me how important/relevant documenting Gentoo/N900 is, for getting a N950/N9? <.< | 01:49 |
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| Estel_ | luke-jr, haha, I saw Your comment. Honestly, i enjoyed fact that You were talking with me wabout it without knowing that i'm Councilor ;) | 01:50 |
| Estel_ | I think I need to get incognito alias | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | heh | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a facilitator role. <_< | 01:51 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, just joking | 01:51 |
| Estel_ | ewwell, i facilitated efforts to document it, but he just said that hes not interested :P | 01:51 |
| Estel_ | seriously though | 01:51 |
| Estel_ | luke-jr, very, *very* important, as for now, this project is hardly existing in Community minds | 01:52 |
| Estel_ | I know that something like that exist, few other people too | 01:52 |
| Estel_ | maybe 2 or 3 people saw it | 01:52 |
| Estel_ | noo cooperartion with other devs | 01:52 |
| Estel_ | due to lack of documenting ;) | 01:52 |
| Estel_ | so NFC what You've achieved and how, and what is missing and worth pursuit | 01:52 |
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| Estel_ | but, i think, it's little too late, honestly, if we're talking about N9/N950 | 01:53 |
| Estel_ | if you're going to be ooportunistic :P | 01:53 |
| Estel_ | s/ooportunistic/opportunistic/ | 01:53 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: if you're going to be opportunistic :P | 01:53 |
| Estel_ | anywya, it's *very* worth doing anyway, for project's sake itself | 01:53 |
| Estel_ | and again, from your ooportunistic point of view, no one said it's last device program ever | 01:54 |
| Estel_ | few weeks ago, no one would suspect current program happenijng, so... | 01:54 |
| robbiethe1st | What program is this? | 01:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: though I'm missing quite some stuff here, I suspect you're asking about community award program, something you *should* throw your hat in. after all iirc you have a broken N900 and I know who gave awesome backupmenu to us. You should receive a device, and maybe can 'swap' it - via fleabay - for one or two N900 ;-) | 02:18 |
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| robbiethe1st | Fair enough; link? | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | see community ML | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or ask council | 02:20 |
| robbiethe1st | I guess I'm /way/ out of the loop; I have no clue what the community ML is, nor anything about what's going on. Sorry. :\ | 02:20 |
| robbiethe1st | Last I heard, the council was a bunch of people who didn't do a whole lot except apologise for nokia not open-sourcing the bits we wanted... | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, community ML is to be found e.g. there: https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community | 02:21 |
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| robbiethe1st | Oh | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-June/ | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | UGh | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Nokia apologist line. | 02:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That shit needs to die. | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm? | 02:22 |
| robbiethe1st | ... Uh? http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-June/005404.html | 02:24 |
| robbiethe1st | Someone's sure full of himself | 02:24 |
| robbiethe1st | (quoted comment) | 02:24 |
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| robbiethe1st | So, erm, where's the original post explaining the 'community awards'? | 02:30 |
| Elleo | robbiethe1st: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84533 | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | robbiethe1st, http://wiki.maemo.org/Summer%2712_Device_Program | 02:31 |
| robbiethe1st | thanks | 02:31 |
| Estel_ | hey robbiethe1st :) | 02:33 |
| robbiethe1st | hi | 02:33 |
| Estel_ | I also think You should submit. While You may not be eprfect example of 100% in-loop continous contribution to community, You haven't left it, and partial absence, afaik, it's due l;ack of time... | 02:34 |
| Estel_ | i.e. real life things | 02:34 |
| Estel_ | do I recall correctly, that You're still - although slowly - working on backupmenu? | 02:34 |
| Estel_ | I've suggested some thing few days ago in it's thread, like separating optFS backup from /home/* | 02:35 |
| robbiethe1st | Sort of, yeah. I really need to sit down and actually churn out some stuff | 02:35 |
| Estel_ | I suppoose You haven't had time to check it yet ;) | 02:35 |
| Estel_ | what do You think about - due to framebuffer availability in KP for some time - idea of rewriting it, to drop text2screen completely? | 02:35 |
| Estel_ | (i.e. transfering to "proper" CLI using framebuffer) | 02:36 |
| Estel_ | after all, those both are text outputs | 02:36 |
| robbiethe1st | I thought about that, but why? would it actually give any advantage? | 02:36 |
| Estel_ | of course it's quite big change, and no one suppose it would take a day or two to finish :P | 02:36 |
| Estel_ | yea | 02:36 |
| robbiethe1st | Which is? | 02:36 |
| Estel_ | using root console makes text2screen teared | 02:36 |
| Estel_ | sometime, to the point of being unusable | 02:36 |
| Estel_ | also, it makes it harder for other people to contribute to backupmenu development | 02:37 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes, that it does; you have to reboot after using it. Problem is I can't unload the FB module after I'm done with it | 02:37 |
| Estel_ | anyway, that's the common view on this - mix with text2screen makes code much harder to follow/adjust (not my opinion, i'm noob here) | 02:37 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, the problem is that most power users now modprobe fbcon as first think in preinit | 02:37 |
| Estel_ | so they have framebuffer enabled anyway | 02:37 |
| Estel_ | unloading it form within backupmenu would be a problem as per se | 02:38 |
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| Estel_ | i.e we have full scrolling text from - almost- very beginning, same for recoversy console out of backupmenu (preinit) - but, backupmenu is great tool as it eases doing things | 02:38 |
| Estel_ | theoretically, same may be achieved by recovery console and bunch of scripts cp'ed to tmp | 02:38 |
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| Estel_ | but, backupmenu is much more user friendly | 02:39 |
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| Estel_ | I'm quite sure dropping text2screen would make it easier for other people to contribute = You would see that it's nice when other people are coding things You haven't time for :) | 02:39 |
| Estel_ | also, it would provide even more modularity | 02:39 |
| Estel_ | I'm pretty sure, that, at some point, it would be included in kernel-power on CSSU as default tool | 02:40 |
| Estel_ | like clockworkorangeMOd in android and cyanogenmod | 02:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, the only problem there is that A, I don't know about using colors and B, about anything but adding new lines | 02:40 |
| Estel_ | i.e. everyone using kp or cssu would have it = no more people that get to know about backupmenu only, when they encounter problems requiring reflash | 02:40 |
| robbiethe1st | With t2s, I can add text anywhere on the screen. | 02:40 |
| Estel_ | are collors necessary? | 02:41 |
| Estel_ | and about new lines, I'm sure someone would explain it here or on TMO | 02:41 |
| Estel_ | I think more "heated" thing for now is to separate /home/* from /opt backup, so during backup, one cna backup everything or any mix of 3 components | 02:42 |
| Estel_ | for now, for people having, lets say, preenv games in /home/games, optfs backups many times exceed 4 GB | 02:42 |
| Estel_ | = cannot be saved to MyDocs | 02:42 |
| Estel_ | or any vfat | 02:42 |
| robbiethe1st | But wait, /home/ is 2GB partiton... | 02:42 |
| Estel_ | IIRC, possibility to save into other filesystems was also pending request | 02:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Unless you resize it, etc. | 02:42 |
| Estel_ | home is 2GB partition only in new N900 bought from Nokia, which doesn't happen lately:P | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: I think vi_'s post was a nice parody, and I liked it very much | 02:43 |
| Estel_ | nowadays, 90% of users repartition | 02:43 |
| robbiethe1st | 90% of the 1%, more like... | 02:43 |
| robbiethe1st | First thing I need to do is get Boot Menu/BM compatibility working on my N900 | 02:43 |
| robbiethe1st | I haven't added it because /it doesn't f***ing work/ for me. | 02:44 |
| Estel_ | Pali released new verison of bootmenu | 02:45 |
| Estel_ | also, he pointed out, that backupmenu is doing something wron re boot menu | 02:45 |
| Estel_ | check backupmenu thread, last poage, please | 02:45 |
| Estel_ | and sorry for typos, writing using one hand | 02:45 |
| Estel_ | another one is busy... no, not b ywhat You think it is - I'm cooking dinner | 02:45 |
| Estel_ | frying thing | 02:45 |
| robbiethe1st | No, I mean... I did that specifically because I couldn't get boot menu to work the /right/ way | 02:46 |
| Estel_ | yes, but bootmenu was updated | 02:48 |
| robbiethe1st | Going to try again | 02:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: well, bootmenu was designed in a way basically incompatible with backupmenu class of "apps". So unless bootmenu will be augmented, I don't see a proper way to make both coexist. I looked into it long time ago | 02:54 |
| robbiethe1st | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1216832&postcount=1053 won't work? | 02:55 |
| * GeneralAntilles 2nd glass of wine. | 02:55 | |
| GeneralAntilles | MWKN is getting craaazyy | 02:55 |
| orangey | what's mwkn? | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: iirc bootmenu is iterating across all the "plugin" scripts and expects each is returning some env values set to text of a menu that bootmenu displays then. An "app" like BM that basoically never returns wouldn't fit in | 02:57 |
| orangey | maemo weekly news? | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://mwkn.net | 02:58 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah/ See post | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, this might actually work | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and after BM invokation you have to reboot anyway | 02:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Huh, for the first time, it worked! | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I looked into it back when, to find a way out of BM and into normal linux bootup | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which wasn't possible | 02:59 |
| orangey | what's so crazy about it? | 03:00 |
| orangey | the declaration that we're all gonna die? | 03:00 |
| robbiethe1st | Oh, I'm sure it's "possible"; if you can chroot from a init ramdisk image into the real os, you ought to be able to do the same for BMs ramdisk | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | orangey, effectively I'm drunkblogging with no other editors to keep me in line. | 03:00 |
| orangey | GeneralAntilles: hahahah ; ) | 03:00 |
| orangey | GeneralAntilles: are you the writer of mwkn? | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | one of them | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not /the/, that's our Glorious Leader Jaffa. | 03:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But one of a trio. | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: and we appreciate that so much, I actually have to thank you (and the other 2 guys) for your sustainable work there, and I honestly hope absolutely nothing will change wrt mwkn and the editors involved | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing. | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ever. | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're not even getting Tim's new theme, 'cause I'm too lazy to integrate it. | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | STASIS | 03:04 |
| robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer, so, it seems evkey moved from /usr/sbin to /usr/bin... | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-D | 03:04 |
| robbiethe1st | what's the deal? | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: NFC | 03:04 |
| robbiethe1st | ? | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no idea | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no faintest clue | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | who shpould do that move, and when? | 03:05 |
| robbiethe1st | Dunno, but one day a while back, BM stopped booting due to evkey being missing | 03:06 |
| robbiethe1st | I thought I lost a file, copied it over from a backup | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it might actually be the better place for evkey, but I doubt Nokia would ship an update to do that mv | 03:06 |
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| robbiethe1st | but it seems that others have the same deal | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, may I suggest you set up a path in your BM script, and call evkey unqualified? not the RIGHT WAY[TM] but maybe for this one instance the most pragmatic one | 03:08 |
| robbiethe1st | how about: | 03:10 |
| robbiethe1st | if ! `cp /usr/bin/evkey /tmp/disk/usr/sbin/`; then cp /usr/sbin/evkey /tmp/disk/usr/sbin/; fi | 03:10 |
| robbiethe1st | If it fails to copy from /usr/bin, then copy from /usr/sbin? | 03:10 |
| robbiethe1st | ... I think | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I wouldn't copy anything, not even to tmp | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah, or are you doing that anyway already? | 03:13 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah. | 03:13 |
| robbiethe1st | It's copying to a ramdisk | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so yep, that's the way | 03:13 |
| robbiethe1st | Cause, you know, formatting your rootfs when /running/ off it is not a good idea | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-) | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cp /usr/*bin/evkey /tmp/disk/user/sbin/ | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | one-char-fix ;-) | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I *love* those one-char fixes | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/user/usr/ | 03:17 |
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| robbiethe1st | Just curious, but does the N900 have the modules to use NTFS partitions? | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or cp $(find /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin -name evkey) /tmp/disk/usr/sbin/ | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: (NTFS) I seem to recall somebody built those kernel modules for diablo usb hostmode | 03:22 |
| robbiethe1st | Alternately, isn't there a way to have tar split archives based on size? | 03:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe nowadays we got better versions, mor mainline'ish | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep, there is | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | though probably not in crippled messybox tar | 03:23 |
| robbiethe1st | That's not a problem; I'm already requiring gnu-tar | 03:23 |
| Hurrian | CONFIG_NTFS=m | 03:24 |
| Hurrian | kernel-power, at least has it | 03:24 |
| Hurrian | *CONFIG_NTFS_FS=m | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | -M multivolume | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Hurrian: thanks :-D | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | -L, --tape-length=NUMBER | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | change tape after writing NUMBER x 1024 bytes | 03:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | -F, --info-script=NAME, --new-volume-script=NAME | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | run script at end of each tape (implies -M) | 03:27 |
| robbiethe1st | Looks possible | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | good approach to deal with 2GB limit of VFAT | 03:30 |
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| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, don't touch evkey | 03:35 |
| Estel_ | moving it to /usr/bin was mistake | 03:35 |
| Estel_ | Pali fixed it already | 03:35 |
| Estel_ | in current version available form repos | 03:35 |
| Estel_ | its where it was again | 03:35 |
| Estel_ | afaik, on bootmenu thread, it's mentioned in last page ;) | 03:35 |
| robbiethe1st | I fixed it the 'best' way, allowing either way to work | 03:36 |
| Estel_ | nice | 03:37 |
| Estel_ | but for sure it won't be in /usr/bin again | 03:37 |
| robbiethe1st | Also finally got Bootmenu to work on my machine, so I was able to add a 'correct' bootmenu-module to backupmenu | 03:37 |
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| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, btw, aren't You one who actually got N950 frome xtended dev program last year? | 03:37 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah. | 03:37 |
| Estel_ | so remembe,r that You can participate in CA, but only for N9 | 03:38 |
| robbiethe1st | I can't say I've ended up using it for much more than an alarm clock, to be honest. | 03:38 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 03:38 |
| Estel_ | could pass it to another dev | 03:38 |
| robbiethe1st | I don't know if I'm allowed, to be honest. | 03:38 |
| Estel_ | if You're not using it, it';s a problem for Yuo - in case of bein stolen or whatsnot | 03:38 |
| Estel_ | need to dela with Nokia and lend agreement | 03:38 |
| Estel_ | You're not only allowe,d but also supposed :D | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | robbiethe1st, you can pass it to whomever you want. | 03:39 |
| robbiethe1st | Isn't there something about that in the NDA I signed? | 03:39 |
| Estel_ | don't get it like I'm trying to "rob" You from N950 - just it seems like a shame that it's taking dust | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | For the N950 | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can't sell it | 03:39 |
| robbiethe1st | Estel_, yeah, I understand. Not that at all. | 03:39 |
| robbiethe1st | It's a cool device, and /maby/ if pali, etc. were able to get bootmenu on it I could get Backupmenu, but for now... it's basically an alarm clock/camera/phone for me | 03:40 |
| robbiethe1st | (phone because my current N900 has a broken modem) | 03:40 |
| Estel_ | uh | 03:40 |
| Estel_ | if, in any case, You would be in need of N900 in ideal condition and USB port soldered down (reinforced), i happen to have them cheaply from time to time | 03:41 |
| robbiethe1st | I might give it to another real dev, but only if I could be assured that Nokia wouldn't come after me. | 03:41 |
| Estel_ | like 180 euro + shipping costs | 03:41 |
| robbiethe1st | I may, in a few months. | 03:41 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, I can ask about it in mailing list | 03:41 |
| Estel_ | (passing) | 03:41 |
| robbiethe1st | Feel free. | 03:41 |
| Estel_ | qgil is there,m and he is our Nokia contact | 03:42 |
| Estel_ | in fact, it's question rather about how to do it right way | 03:42 |
| Estel_ | cause I'm 1100% sure that You're not only encouraged, but also supposed to pass it, if not usinng for dev | 03:42 |
| Estel_ | I.e. it's "normal" wya of dealing with them | 03:42 |
| Estel_ | some people already did that (passed further) | 03:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Other thing is, you wouldn't know anyone able to actually /fix/ a N900's usb port would you? My old one's at the point you'd have to solder to some small points further in, not just resolder the pads | 03:42 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, yea, i know, it's me :D but I must wanr You, that it's not veyr chepa to do properly | 03:43 |
| robbiethe1st | Like how much? | 03:43 |
| Estel_ | I've fixed a dozen or so N900 for people @ maemo.org | 03:43 |
| Estel_ | let me get into details first ok? | 03:43 |
| Estel_ | You got pads destroyed | 03:43 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes. | 03:43 |
| Estel_ | soldering to components later involve removing quite important part of shielding +, more importantly, is risky | 03:44 |
| robbiethe1st | There's an image(perhaps by you) showing two resistors inside of one of the metal cans you'd have to solder to. | 03:44 |
| Estel_ | i.e. destroying components that You try to solder to | 03:44 |
| Estel_ | proper way is to use apds beneath battery | 03:44 |
| Estel_ | pads* | 03:44 |
| Estel_ | yea, i know | 03:44 |
| Estel_ | generally it isn't bad way | 03:44 |
| robbiethe1st | don't they have no ESD protection? | 03:44 |
| Estel_ | no, it was FUd, courtesy of Doc | 03:45 |
| Estel_ | they lack common mode choke only | 03:45 |
| Estel_ | which is part of elegant design, although, not required in any real life situation | 03:45 |
| Estel_ | unless you work in core of nuclear reactor | 03:45 |
| Estel_ | actually, common mdoe choke limit USB 2.0 speeds a bit | 03:45 |
| Estel_ | more problematic is +5V, where it really lacks fuse etc | 03:45 |
| robbiethe1st | I think my 5V is intact... | 03:46 |
| Estel_ | but it is more sensible to solder them, as it don't require cutting so much ESD shielding | 03:46 |
| Estel_ | ah | 03:46 |
| Estel_ | even better | 03:46 |
| Estel_ | then | 03:46 |
| Estel_ | ground is plenty ;) | 03:46 |
| Estel_ | it's something like 50 euro + shipping costs both way | 03:46 |
| Estel_ | honestly, i'm doing it because I enjoy bringing N90's to life - considering ammount of hours needed to work on it - ultra mini things - i'm working like chinese slave :P | 03:46 |
| Estel_ | (considering fee/per hour) | 03:47 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, soldering to the pads under the battery is something I may even be able to do. Soldering to the components is far harder, and I can't do it. | 03:47 |
| Estel_ | still, it's too much expensive for most people | 03:47 |
| Estel_ | yea | 03:47 |
| Estel_ | but | 03:47 |
| Estel_ | if You have 5V intact | 03:47 |
| Estel_ | You can solder to it, and ground +_ USB data from beneath battery | 03:47 |
| Estel_ | this way You wouldn't need to solder to components at all | 03:47 |
| robbiethe1st | Actually, this brings up an interesting problem | 03:47 |
| robbiethe1st | I've got a temp-controlled 60W iron. With a fine-tipped end on it, whenever I'd try to solder a ground wire/ground contact, my solder would instantly solidify and my tip would stick | 03:48 |
| robbiethe1st | (likely because of all the thermal mass?) | 03:48 |
| robbiethe1st | how do you handle that? | 03:48 |
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| Estel_ | I use gas-powered iron, that can handle even soldering pipes together :P | 03:49 |
| Estel_ | (despite small size) | 03:49 |
| Estel_ | but I think Your problem is with tip | 03:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah | 03:49 |
| Estel_ | is it self-made one? | 03:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Nope | 03:49 |
| Estel_ | 60W sounds likme enough | 03:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Chinese-made, likely copper with a silver (tin?) coating | 03:50 |
| Estel_ | N900 doesn't have so much thermal mass, unless soldering iron is passing heat to end of tip too slowly | 03:50 |
| Estel_ | You mean ground wire/ground contatc in N900, right? | 03:50 |
| Estel_ | not mains power line?:D | 03:50 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah. the ground pad | 03:50 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, with a bigger tip, I have no trouble soldering 12ga wire | 03:51 |
| Estel_ | hm, in worst case, ground pad beneath battery would need just keeping soldering iron next to it a little longer | 03:51 |
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| Estel_ | hm, soldering apds beneath battery are quite big | 03:51 |
| Estel_ | maybe You're using too smal tip? | 03:51 |
| robbiethe1st | What size tip do you use? | 03:51 |
| Estel_ | or Your soldering iron isn't in fact 60w but only pretends to be | 03:51 |
| Estel_ | I got many self-made tips form cooper and other materials... | 03:52 |
| robbiethe1st | What diameter, then? Or do you have a picture? | 03:52 |
| Estel_ | for pads beneath batteyr I use regular one with *flat* ending | 03:52 |
| robbiethe1st | I'm looking at the - pad on the USB port | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Soldering the N900? | 03:52 |
| Estel_ | from actual USb pad - this micro one - I use, ofcourse, sharp smallest tip | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | 60W sounds like way too much. | 03:52 |
| robbiethe1st | GeneralAntilles, temp controlled | 03:52 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, yea, but when robbiethe1st try to solder to ground, his soldering iron sodlers itself to N900 | 03:53 |
| Estel_ | so either thermal transfer is too slow in soldering iron -> tip | 03:53 |
| robbiethe1st | Which is definitely the problem | 03:53 |
| Estel_ | or soldering iron is 30W in reality, or so | 03:53 |
| Estel_ | so turn temp control to max? | 03:53 |
| robbiethe1st | That could work | 03:53 |
| Estel_ | for soldering ground, of course | 03:53 |
| Estel_ | unless it's working station with *real* temp control, those things with rolling resistor for temp control bundled in aren't very helpful | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fucking chanlog, Estel_ insulting me and sprwading lies once more. Now I'm fed up with it. No mister estel, missing ESD on test points under battersy is NO FUD, you *** | 03:54 |
| Estel_ | could help if You're soldering really delicate micro thing | 03:54 |
| Estel_ | yes, it is FUD, we've talked about it before. | 03:54 |
| Estel_ | D= and D- lacks *only* common mode choke | 03:55 |
| Estel_ | refer to schematics | 03:55 |
| Estel_ | and as I've said, +5V is lacking protection indeed | 03:55 |
| Estel_ | BTW, funny, You're ignoring me, yet reading every bit of line related to You? sounds cheap | 03:55 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, the real question is whether the d+ and d- have continuity between the ones by the battery and the ones on the USB port? | 03:55 |
| Estel_ | maybe I shall start ignoring You, for the change? although, I don't want to, as You're saying many really interesting things, because You're knowledgeable one... | 03:56 |
| robbiethe1st | If so, you'll get your protection by "backfeeding" as it were... | 03:56 |
| Estel_ | ...unless you go into zealot mode. Whatr's Your problem with me, really? | 03:56 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, of course, they're same usb port | 03:56 |
| Estel_ | don't even think about using them as 2 different ports | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: honestly I'd consider carefully to take advice from somebody who outright insults experts about their qualified statements regarding easy to tread schematics, and claims it's just "FUD" | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: nope, that's not how ESD protection works | 03:57 |
| Estel_ | of course, I also encourage You to check schematics before soldering - instead of following advices from random guy on irc ;) | 03:57 |
| Estel_ | I hope it concludes this | 03:57 |
| robbiethe1st | Don't you have diodes between the line and ground for ESD protection? | 03:57 |
| robbiethe1st | Isn't that what ESD protection basically /is/? | 03:57 |
| robbiethe1st | clamping diodes? | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes, at the point where trace *enters* protected area, it's clamped by tranzorbs. Then there are other components on the way til it reaches chip | 03:58 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, clarification of ESd protection being present on under-battery-pads iwas done by blue_led | 03:58 |
| Estel_ | without it, it would be dangerous to connect anything to pads beneath battery even in lab | 03:58 |
| Estel_ | and npads beneath battery are *not* connected directly to chip | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so odds are your ESD surge reaches chip literally before it even propagates to tranzorbs | 03:59 |
| Estel_ | won't have link now, so take it with grain of salt, but I'm perfectly sure, that DocScrutinizer was stating somewhere on TMO that they're connected directly to chip, which is false | 03:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Check the schematics? | 03:59 |
| Estel_ | + actual implementation | 03:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Anyone got a trace layout for the N900? | 04:00 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer should have some of those | 04:00 |
| robbiethe1st | Especially as there was a chineese company selling bare boards a while back? | 04:00 |
| Estel_ | including hi res pictures of motherboard including and not elements | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | look at my server, robbiethe1st. there you get best approach to layout | 04:00 |
| robbiethe1st | Link, please? | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | scan of such bare board | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maemo.cloud-7.de | 04:01 |
| Estel_ | still, from practice, it *works* as it should, and I';ve *0* reports of any problems, ecven while devices are used in far from "controlled" enviromnent | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | galery, or N900-exploded-view or sth | 04:01 |
| robbiethe1st | That may be the most important thing; in reality, things work slightly different than in theory... for better or worse | 04:01 |
| Estel_ | would like to discuss with DocScrutinizer about those tranzorbs and why it conflicts with blue_led research - discuss, nto argue, as it's very interesting topic... | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but you don't need to check, as I've already done that. There IS NO ESD protection on testpoints | 04:02 |
| Estel_ | but of course he si childlish and /ignore me, so no way to... ;) | 04:02 |
| Pali | maemo autobuilder is shit | 04:02 |
| Estel_ | Pali, btw, have I missed it, our You havent commented on widespreading kernel-power via banners and such things? | 04:02 |
| Estel_ | Pali, rest assured, we will have COBS soon - which is better, but probably, going to bring even more problems during first period of time ;P | 04:02 |
| robbiethe1st | Ok, guys... easy to solve the problem. Take a doner/broken N900, throw some esd surges down those two pins. | 04:03 |
| robbiethe1st | Either it breaks or not. | 04:03 |
| Pali | something which scratchbox compile and install into debian/tmp/usr/lib autobuilder it install into debian/tmp/lib... | 04:03 |
| robbiethe1st | Ought to be testable | 04:03 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, yea, try with Your N900 that ahve modem destroyed :P | 04:03 |
| Estel_ | s/ahve/have/ | 04:03 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: robbiethe1st, yea, try with Your N900 that have modem destroyed :P | 04:03 |
| robbiethe1st | Nah, I'm not the one arguing either way | 04:03 |
| Pali | Estel_, I do not think that banner help | 04:03 |
| robbiethe1st | Plus, that's the one that /works/ now | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: wtf?? do you think absence of ESD protection can be verified by breaking stuff? | 04:03 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes? | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no | 04:04 |
| Estel_ | Pali, understood | 04:04 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, absence of ESd protection can be verified only by asking DocScrutinizer ;) | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dang, you wouldn't even be able to tell for sure what defects any surge might trigger in chip | 04:04 |
| Estel_ | same apply for things like "does earth roll" and so goes on. | 04:04 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, if it still works right, USB transfers still work... | 04:04 |
| robbiethe1st | But, to be honest, I'd say the best solution is to take a "broken" n900, use those pins, and run it for a while. | 04:05 |
| Estel_ | very nature of ESD damage is that it's hard to predict it | 04:05 |
| Estel_ | I must admit that it may work for years, then break on one fatal moment | 04:05 |
| robbiethe1st | If it stops working USB wise, it's likely a problem. If not, consider it "safe enough". | 04:05 |
| Estel_ | but, fortunately, I haven't encountered it | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | of course there are always idiots with a WFM approach, like "I rubbed a ballon against wool and touched the device with it. No smoke detected. So it has to be safe" | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but that's not how real life electronics work | 04:06 |
| robbiethe1st | I'll say there's also a "safe enough" point - there's always a chance of anything happen at any time. | 04:06 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, I admit that i'm not E enginer, so You're probably better to listen to his advices - even though he talks them like asshat in very irritating manner | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it might survive 5 surges and break on 6th | 04:06 |
| robbiethe1st | Like, say, a cosmic ray breaking the same thing. | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it might stop computing 1 + 1 as 2 | 04:07 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, I tend to share Your point of view here, with some additional doze of being careful | 04:07 |
| Estel_ | that why I've started doing it *only* after it was confirmed, that data on testpADS beneath battery actually lacks only common choke | 04:07 |
| robbiethe1st | My point of view here is, be somewhat careful and keep recent backups | 04:07 |
| robbiethe1st | and a second N900 handy | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it might (very likely) fry any chip internal clamp diodes to the point where USB2 doesn't work anymore | 04:08 |
| Estel_ | after all, working N900 with less reliable ESd is better than non-working one | 04:08 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, if You want, hoever, point of view of another E enginer, ask blue_led | 04:08 |
| Estel_ | he was the one that bashed DocScrutinizer's FUD (or not to FUD? who knows...) | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but noooooo mr estel knows better and accuses an EE telling FUD about his primary competence domain | 04:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Also... http://wiki.maemo.org/images/a/aa/Testpoints_tx.jpg Says to me that running N900 off of external PS instead of battery is possible | 04:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Also, you two? I don't F***ing give two shits about your petty fights. | 04:09 |
| robbiethe1st | I want to know specific facts about specific situations, including anecdotal evidence. | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: I again request you instruct Estel_to refrain from insulting me | 04:10 |
| robbiethe1st | Ooh, that looks good; battery test-pads are on the same side as the USB port. Makes things loads easier. | 04:10 |
| Estel_ | and I request You to stop requesting ;) I'm trying to help robbiethe1st with his problem | 04:10 |
| Estel_ | and I've already told him that YOU ( DocScrutinizer ) are EE, so it's better to listen to Your advices, cause i'm not E engineer. Still, telling him to *check* sources for himself isn't insulting. | 04:11 |
| Estel_ | so stop this childlish madness. | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: sorry guy, I don't even see estel_ (/ignore) so how the FUCK can I fight with him. Please don't push the flamewar and shit going on here | 04:11 |
| robbiethe1st | That, right there, says that you're immature. /ignoring someone just makes things worse for 3rd parties | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | uhuh | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | F U | 04:12 |
| robbiethe1st | Because it means /I/ get two halves of 3 conversations. | 04:12 |
| Pali | who except maintainers can promote package from extras-devel to extras-testing? | 04:13 |
| Estel_ | Pali, X-Fade | 04:13 |
| Pali | I'd like to see locate in Extras | 04:13 |
| Estel_ | Council is working to change it. | 04:13 |
| Pali | I'm on pending list of maintainers | 04:13 |
| Estel_ | original maintainer doesn't respond? | 04:13 |
| Pali | seems yes | 04:14 |
| Pali | titan | 04:15 |
| Estel_ | ouh | 04:15 |
| Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/locate/ | 04:15 |
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| Pali | I did not tried contact him | 04:15 |
| Estel_ | frtuitless effort | 04:15 |
| robbiethe1st | Pali, how do we get bootmenu 1.12 into Extras? | 04:15 |
| Estel_ | Pali, I'll talk with X-Fade today, @ 15 UTC, if he will be attending COBS meeting | 04:16 |
| Pali | robbiethe1st, bootmenu is in extras-testing | 04:16 |
| Pali | needs voting for promotion | 04:16 |
| Estel_ | will add this as ad-hoc point to grant You maintainership, but, generally, we're working on generating group of people with privilleges to promote packages | 04:16 |
| Estel_ | well tested ones | 04:16 |
| robbiethe1st | How do I vote? | 04:16 |
| Estel_ | but unmaintained | 04:16 |
| Estel_ | yea, Pali voted 3x times :p | 04:17 |
| robbiethe1st | I want to get all the recent, stable dependancies for BM into Extras, so mine can get there someday | 04:17 |
| Pali | here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/bootmenu/1.12/ | 04:17 |
| Pali | Estel_, there are more packages which should go to extras | 04:18 |
| Estel_ | of course | 04:18 |
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| Pali | I do not remember full list | 04:18 |
| Estel_ | no worries, general diea is to create super-testers group | 04:18 |
| Estel_ | that would be able to promote packages | 04:18 |
| robbiethe1st | Ok, BootMenu is now at 6 karma | 04:19 |
| Pali | but if somebody on IRC will have permission for that, it would be nice | 04:19 |
| Estel_ | for example having enough votes, but stuck in queye due to absent maintainer | 04:19 |
| robbiethe1st | What happens now? | 04:19 |
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| Pali | wait until maemo package interface show me promote button | 04:20 |
| robbiethe1st | Also, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mtd-utils/20090606-1maemo1/ need votes for this | 04:20 |
| Pali | QA Quarantine ends: 2012-06-12 20:45 | 04:20 |
| robbiethe1st | You can still vote for it, me thinks | 04:20 |
| robbiethe1st | Same with http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/i2c-tools/3.0.2-1maemo3/ | 04:20 |
| Pali | so we need wait one week for bootmenu :-( | 04:20 |
| robbiethe1st | fair enough | 04:21 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, better post links for voting in backupmenu's TMO thread | 04:21 |
| Estel_ | as on IRc, You won't find many people for voting. | 04:21 |
| Estel_ | that have tested packages | 04:21 |
| robbiethe1st | Do you have BM installed and working? Then you've tested it | 04:22 |
| Pali | I'm using mtd-utils and i2c-tools and booth working :-) | 04:22 |
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| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, working and all options tested - yes | 04:24 |
| Estel_ | so i've voted | 04:24 |
| Estel_ | still, posting links in 3 AM on irc won't get You to have full akrma for msot packages | 04:24 |
| Estel_ | so post it in TMO thread ;) | 04:24 |
| Estel_ | lately, people are much more educated about importance of voting | 04:25 |
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| Estel_ | so if You put it in backupmenu thread as request to tets and vote, they will do. | 04:25 |
| Pali | robbiethe1st, two notes about backupmenu: 1. delete or fix bugtracker link 2. remove vim swap file /usr/share/backupmenu/.functions.sh.swp | 04:25 |
| robbiethe1st | Latter is I think gone | 04:25 |
| robbiethe1st | was in the one build | 04:25 |
| robbiethe1st | Completely off topic question: Anyone who has a N950 or (likely) N9, do you know the default alarm clock melody? | 04:27 |
| robbiethe1st | On my N950, it also vibrates in tune with the audio | 04:27 |
| robbiethe1st | Do you know if we could do something similar on the N900? | 04:27 |
| robbiethe1st | Docs, Estel_ Looking at the N900 schematics | 04:31 |
| robbiethe1st | there's the "HS USB Transceiver | 04:31 |
| robbiethe1st | "d480" | 04:31 |
| robbiethe1st | *"D4280" | 04:31 |
| robbiethe1st | What chip is this, what model? | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a nxp USB transiever | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I've forgotten the model | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB | 04:33 |
| * SpeedEvil goes back to sleep | 04:33 | |
| Estel_ | heh, was going to post these links too :P | 04:34 |
| robbiethe1st | So, looks like both DocScrutinizer and Estel_ may be right | 04:34 |
| Estel_ | :P | 04:34 |
| robbiethe1st | The N900's ESD protection diodes are on the other side of a choke coil from the test points | 04:35 |
| * Estel_ nods | 04:35 | |
| Estel_ | but... | 04:35 |
| * Estel_ is rising courtain | 04:35 | |
| robbiethe1st | ...However, if this "similar" USB chip is any indication, it also has ESD protection built in | 04:35 |
| Estel_ | tadam! | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: g'nite | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: well, I hate that "toldya" | 04:36 |
| Estel_ | ...which would explain why it's working nevertheless | 04:36 |
| Estel_ | ...and that DocScrutinizer likes more to provide crippled info, than to just admit I may be right ;) | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and no, the USB PHY's ESD is insufficient | 04:36 |
| robbiethe1st | Which should protect it well enough to mitigate part of the surge, the rest of which will be clamped via the protection chip through the coil | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wut? hahaha | 04:37 |
| robbiethe1st | How can you say that? (the similar chip)'s rated for +-8.8KV | 04:37 |
| robbiethe1st | On the pins we care about | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's a reason for the bifilar choke and the tranzorbs/varistors straight at USB receptacle | 04:39 |
| * Estel_ watches, as tension goes higher and higher, like in good thriller | 04:39 | |
| robbiethe1st | Oh, I'm sure. Likely to comply with some regulation and or provide extra protection | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | first of all the choke doesn't let pass any steep ESD surge | 04:39 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st - like with common mode choke:P | 04:39 |
| Estel_ | it's also there only to comply with fc-something | 04:40 |
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| Estel_ | for same fck'ed reason we haven't been having hostmode form very beginning - they wasn't able to comply with standards on due time | 04:40 |
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| robbiethe1st | Oh, speaking of which, have we been able to control/check the ID pin yet? | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and now I'm out again, as even you seem to love the friggin popcorn cinema estel is inscenating here on my expense, more than a reasonable discussion based on facts | 04:40 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, yes, we cna read it, but no use for now, due to no way of detecting speed | 04:41 |
| Estel_ | but Pali is working on it | 04:41 |
| Estel_ | as opposite to some guys that only talk that it's impossible ;) | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | The commonmode choke means that it has high impedence to commonmode signals - this means that the protection diodes are effectively not connected to the circuit for the first few microseconds. | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | This is plenty of time for damage to occur | 04:42 |
| Estel_ | chillout DocScrutinizer, you sounds like thinking too much about Yourself. | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and since I'm not going to change that /ignore, I'm sorry you get 7 quarters of 33 discussins due to that | 04:42 |
| * SpeedEvil really goes to sleep. | 04:42 | |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, true | 04:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, couldn't we setup a simple system that, when that pin is pulled high or w/e, pops up a dialog on the desktop and allows the user to select the speed | 04:42 |
| robbiethe1st | SpeedEvil, would expect the 8.8KV built in diodes to handle that part of it. | 04:42 |
| * Estel_ wonders why DocScrutinizer told us that it's popcorn cinema... no, this childlish behavior is *real* drama! or even DRAMA | 04:44 | |
| robbiethe1st | Either way, I'd expect it'll probably work fine under /most/ conditions... To improve performance, the best thing would be to short out the common mode coul | 04:44 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, using testpads, You're not passing common mode | 04:44 |
| Estel_ | so don't need to care about it | 04:44 |
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| xd13 | anyone here can give me a lil help with n900 | 04:45 |
| robbiethe1st | No, but that would allow the external ESD protection chip to help out in countering any surges | 04:45 |
| xd13 | I have backupmenu installed modified my /etc/passwd file | 04:45 |
| Estel_ | sure thing, just ask, and don't get upsed if we ask you to readmsome manuals, if Your question was covered | 04:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes, xd? | 04:45 |
| xd13 | phone won't start | 04:45 |
| xd13 | i know how to fix the file | 04:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Period, or in BM mode? | 04:45 |
| xd13 | can i use backupmenu to access it | 04:45 |
| xd13 | bm works | 04:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Do you have power kernel installed? | 04:45 |
| xd13 | i do | 04:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Then yes. | 04:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Run BM, try to run root console | 04:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Once there, if you can login, you've got a terminal and you can fix it | 04:46 |
| xd13 | oh sweet jesus | 04:46 |
| xd13 | :) | 04:46 |
| robbiethe1st | You'll need to mount the rootfs partition(mountroot command) | 04:46 |
| robbiethe1st | then just edit it | 04:47 |
| Estel_ | wait, wait | 04:48 |
| xd13 | wuts root password | 04:48 |
| Estel_ | what does /etc/passwd have to do with non-booting phone | 04:48 |
| xd13 | changed user info | 04:48 |
| Estel_ | I see. | 04:48 |
| robbiethe1st | have you used ssh? | 04:48 |
| xd13 | tried to make bash4 default | 04:48 |
| robbiethe1st | sshd anyway | 04:48 |
| Estel_ | as for root, erm, it's the one You've set up? | 04:49 |
| xd13 | can i use it as a hard drive | 04:49 |
| xd13 | and see the file | 04:49 |
| xd13 | ? | 04:49 |
| robbiethe1st | No. | 04:49 |
| Estel_ | no, not rootfs | 04:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Not the rootfs | 04:49 |
| Estel_ | :) | 04:49 |
| Estel_ | and *don't* make bash as default shell | 04:49 |
| Estel_ | You gain more by installing busybox-power | 04:49 |
| Estel_ | and You can still use bash when needed | 04:49 |
| Estel_ | from userland | 04:49 |
| robbiethe1st | You can, however, make a backup of your rootfs to the mydocs, then mount the mydocs via USB, copy off the tar file, extract your passwd | 04:49 |
| Estel_ | replacing busybox with bash is incredibly wrong idea | 04:49 |
| xd13 | haha | 04:50 |
| robbiethe1st | change the passwd, stick it back into the tar, then stick that back on n900 and restore the image | 04:50 |
| xd13 | wuts the login info when i use root console | 04:50 |
| xd13 | ? | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | xd13, BTw, robbiethe1st is author of backupmenu | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | login: root | 04:50 |
| xd13 | ya | 04:50 |
| xd13 | password | 04:50 |
| xd13 | ? | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | passwrd: <the one You've set> | 04:50 |
| xd13 | i never set one | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | how i'msupposed to know Your root password? | 04:50 |
| robbiethe1st | In which case you're screwed | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | have You installed openssh? | 04:50 |
| robbiethe1st | For that method | 04:51 |
| xd13 | i have installed openssh | 04:51 |
| Estel_ | so, it asked You to create password upon installation | 04:51 |
| robbiethe1st | Then that root password is the one | 04:51 |
| robbiethe1st | be back soon; dinner time. | 04:51 |
| xd13 | hmm | 04:51 |
| xd13 | I never created a pass | 04:51 |
| xd13 | that's weird | 04:51 |
| Estel_ | You wouldn't be able to end openssh installation | 04:52 |
| xd13 | I have a recent backup, better to just restore em | 04:52 |
| Estel_ | unless you installked client only | 04:52 |
| Estel_ | yes. | 04:52 |
| Estel_ | or | 04:52 |
| Estel_ | as robbiethe1st said | 04:52 |
| Estel_ | make backup, untar it on pc | 04:53 |
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| Estel_ | change /etc/passwd | 04:53 |
| Estel_ | and tar it again | 04:53 |
| Estel_ | then restore | 04:53 |
| Estel_ | anyway | 04:53 |
| Estel_ | if backupmenu saved Your ass, consider donating few bucks to robbiethe1st | 04:53 |
| Estel_ | he is author of backupmenu | 04:53 |
| xd13 | question is | 04:54 |
| Estel_ | I'm going off-line for a while, will solder sd card slot to my router :D | 04:54 |
| Estel_ | ? | 04:54 |
| xd13 | if this works how do i set a root passwd | 04:54 |
| Estel_ | same way as in any linux distro, see manuals for it on net :) | 04:54 |
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| Pali | Estel_, all packages (except that nokia non free) for ipv6 are in extras-devel | 04:57 |
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| xd13 | woohoo my ass is saved :) | 04:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | xd13: root:HxfFl.UXLGGDA:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | is a line for /etc/passwd | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with plaintext password n900 | 05:01 |
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| xd13 | i only installed ssh client | 05:02 |
| xd13 | i'm back anyway | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | replace your original line for "root:" with this one | 05:02 |
| xd13 | backupmenu saved my ass | 05:02 |
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| xd13 | replace the line in /etc/password with the one u gave me | 05:05 |
| xd13 | ? | 05:05 |
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| robbiethe1st | Back | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | wb | 05:34 |
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| robbiethe1st | Shell question | 05:46 |
| robbiethe1st | I've got a command: "gtar -options alkfahfhwf 2> /path" | 05:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Can I pipe stdout to another program like: | 05:46 |
| robbiethe1st | "gtar -options alkfahfhwf 2> /path | split -b 100m"? | 05:47 |
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| robbiethe1st | Anyone around? | 06:33 |
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| Hurrian | robbiethe1st, here | 07:17 |
| Hurrian | no, it doesn't work. | 07:18 |
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| robbiethe1st | ? | 07:22 |
| Hurrian | the pipe command. | 07:39 |
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| robbiethe1st | turns out it does work | 08:00 |
| robbiethe1st | The pipe anyway | 08:00 |
| robbiethe1st | split won't accept stdin with stock busybox, though | 08:00 |
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| Estel_ | yea, sd mod finished | 08:38 |
| Estel_ | took few solid hours, as I had to modify existing instructions... | 08:38 |
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| Estel_ | I wanted to retain possibility of having serial console and serial port, so didn't wanted to use easily-available pads + I want, for sure, add USB 1.1 ports later | 08:39 |
| Estel_ | so I had to probe it with multimeter, finding other spots with correct connections | 08:39 |
| Estel_ | + didn't wanted to solder SD card for "forever", or to solder microSD adapter, as I would like to use cheaper full size Sd cards = I dissasembled cheap USB sd card reader and prepared solid slot for SD | 08:40 |
| Estel_ | modified case, etc | 08:40 |
| Estel_ | overall, it's ncie to boot acces point with 2GB storage :D (card that I had lying somewhere, could use any number), for... IDK, 5 usd? | 08:41 |
| * Estel_ head to install openwrt, optware, and some IRC proxy, so he and rest of Council doesn't need to rely on unreliable people revoking promises at first signs of personal dissagrements | 08:41 | |
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| Hurrian | Estel_, what kind of SD mod is that? | 10:15 |
| Elleo | what's likely to cause the application manager to complain that a deb is an "incompatible application package", for a deb that otherwise installs fine via dpkg with no warnings | 10:15 |
| Hurrian | might be just HAM being stupid. | 10:16 |
| Elleo | ah, is it perhaps because it's a library? | 10:16 |
| Hurrian | do you have and conflicts/replces etc? | 10:16 |
| Elleo | instead of a user facing application | 10:16 |
| Hurrian | Elleo, iirc it doesn't distinguish between the two | 10:17 |
| Elleo | nope, no conflicts or replaces | 10:17 |
| Hurrian | meh, just HAM being crap as always. carry on, I guess. | 10:17 |
| Elleo | maybe because I didn't add an X-Maemo-Application-Name field? | 10:17 |
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| Elleo | nope, apparently not that | 10:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ok, ordered 3 new ones | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-) | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | one is not for me though | 11:17 |
| Sc0rpius | three what? | 11:19 |
| merlin1991 | Elleo/Hurrian ham says incompatible package if the package is not in one of the few defined user/something sections | 11:24 |
| Elleo | merlin1991: ah | 11:25 |
| Elleo | thanks | 11:25 |
| merlin1991 | valid sections are here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Sections | 11:25 |
| Elleo | great, that's a big help | 11:25 |
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| chem|st | moo | 11:27 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: right... | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: thanks again for letting me know :-) | 11:28 |
| Elleo | merlin1991: awesome, that's sorted my problem, thanks again :) | 11:28 |
| merlin1991 | yw :) | 11:28 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: yw | 11:28 |
| chem|st | thought about myself | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Sc0rpius: N900 | 11:28 |
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| Sc0rpius | nice. | 11:28 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: have you called in and asked if they are OVP unboxed? | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no, just added it as condition comment to order | 11:29 |
| chem|st | uh might be backscattering | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hm? | 11:30 |
| chem|st | didn#t you read the links I sent you? | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which links | 11:30 |
| chem|st | one was 50:50 good and bad about shipping packaging and so on | 11:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm | 11:31 |
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| chem|st | that link | 11:31 |
| chem|st | thats why I asked you to call in ahead | 11:32 |
| Sc0rpius | well enough coding for tonight | 11:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | well, shipping etc is no such big deal, as long as the devices are no fake, or used ones somebody refurbished (or not) | 11:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | there's been another shop which sold used refurbished devices as if they were new | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think I should call in anyway, as they wait for my payment, so I get to know if they can deliver what I ordered before transfering the money | 11:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: only 2 left over, no original package but allegedly unused new device, only battery and PSU, no other accessories | 12:00 |
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| teotwaki | god fucking damn | 12:15 |
| teotwaki | I find what I believe to be the best keyboard in the world | 12:15 |
| teotwaki | and it doesn't work under linux :( | 12:16 |
| Hurrian | teotwaki, how could it not work under linux, if it adheres to the HID spec | 12:17 |
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| chem|st | teotwaki: which? | 12:18 |
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| chem|st | I was thinking about buying a rapoo | 12:20 |
| teotwaki | zowie celeritas | 12:20 |
| teotwaki | it works, but apparently there's bug in udev | 12:21 |
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| teotwaki | which means that when I hit dead keys (ctrl, shift, alt), there's no "SYN" signal sent, which forces Linux to consider the key was released instantly | 12:21 |
| teotwaki | https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/24505 | 12:22 |
| teotwaki | chem|st: ^ | 12:22 |
| chem|st | hehe | 12:24 |
| Khertan | teotwaki: epic fail :) | 12:24 |
| chem|st | a zowie.... | 12:24 |
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| Khertan | Does there is a webdav client for n900 ? | 12:25 |
| teotwaki | Khertan: Comment appelle-t-on un cheval qui se casse la gueule? | 12:26 |
| Khertan | teotwaki: aucune idée | 12:26 |
| teotwaki | Khertan: Un hippique fail | 12:26 |
| Khertan | roh | 12:27 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:27 |
| Khertan | teotwaki: forcement j'aurais du me douter | 12:27 |
| Khertan | Someone have try to use qt quick component on harmattan ? is it useable ? as my first try fail on InfoBanner and maxlinecount unavaible in the n900 qt version of qt quick | 12:28 |
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| chem|st | teotwaki: you never had a cherry kbd? | 12:33 |
| teotwaki | I had one sometime ago, got stolen | 12:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | teotwaki: modifier keys, not dead keys | 12:42 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: right, sorry | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | deadkey is, like, ` | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | teotwaki: I just corrected you as there's an obviously unrelated "no-deadkeys" kbd-layout in linux | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ on n900 is a classical deadkey | 12:46 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer51 | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | damn | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MEEE! :-/ | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~forget on n900 | 12:47 |
| infobot | i forgot on n900, DocScrutinizer51 | 12:47 |
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| teotwaki | \o/ | 15:06 |
| teotwaki | Mechanical keyboard ftw! Now workz under Linux :D | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hm? | 15:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you attached a rmeington typewriter to your PC? | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | remington | 15:08 |
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| Gh0sty | lol | 15:11 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: cherry mx brown key switches | 15:13 |
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| disco_stu | Hi everybody | 18:50 |
| disco_stu | someone know what will happen with meego ? i'm considering the buy of a nokia n9 | 18:50 |
| disco_stu | but I'am wondering.. some say this will be the only phone with harmattan | 18:51 |
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| chem|st | disco_stu: officialy there will be no further maemo/meego phone | 18:56 |
| chem|st | as they just started to resurrect Qt and such, noone knows | 18:58 |
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| disco_stu | chem|st: i've seen the phone and it is awesome, but I dont know if I should buy it. shame on nokia | 18:59 |
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| freemangordon | WTF? Facebook DNS resolves to IPv6 address | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG, ping | 19:13 |
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| jacekowski | freemangordon: yeah, what's wrong with that | 19:16 |
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| jacekowski | it's the future | 19:16 |
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| freemangordon | jacekowski: "Failed to connect to 2a03:2880:10:1f03:face:b00c:0:26: Network is unreachable". That is why facebook widget/photo uploader fails | 19:17 |
| jacekowski | well, your computer shouldn't try ipv6 unless you have working ipv6 | 19:17 |
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| freemangordon | my computer? no, it is my n900 | 19:18 |
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| jacekowski | well, then your n900 | 19:18 |
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| jacekowski | what's in your /etc/gai.conf | 19:18 |
| freemangordon | cat: can't open '/etc/gai.conf': No such file or directory | 19:19 |
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| freemangordon | jacekowski: Have in mind that FB DNS returns ONLY IPv6 address, i checked it with tcpdump | 19:21 |
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| jacekowski | that's because you only ask for ipv6 | 19:21 |
| jacekowski | you have to ask for A record not for AAAA | 19:21 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski, it is AAAA | 19:22 |
| freemangordon | want a pastebin? | 19:22 |
| jacekowski | root@jacekowski:/etc# host -t A facebook.com | 19:22 |
| jacekowski | facebook.com has address 69.171.229.11 | 19:22 |
| jacekowski | root@jacekowski:/etc# host -t AAAA facebook.com | 19:22 |
| jacekowski | facebook.com has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:2110:3f01:face:b00c:: | 19:22 |
| freemangordon | but why maemo asks for that? | 19:22 |
| jacekowski | do you have powerkernel? | 19:22 |
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| freemangordon | yep | 19:22 |
| Estel_ | because they knew Pali will implement IPv6 in KP :) | 19:23 |
| jacekowski | well, here is your answer | 19:23 |
| jacekowski | use normal ipv4 only kernel | 19:23 |
| Estel_ | jacekowski, doesn't sound like solution | 19:23 |
| freemangordon | ORLY? why the AFAIK those with stock kernel cannot use FB widget/uploader? | 19:23 |
| Estel_ | "don't want ,Your car to crash, use bicycle" | 19:23 |
| jacekowski | well, you would need working ipv6 userland | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski, it tries to resolve api.facebook.com | 19:24 |
| jacekowski | root@jacekowski:/etc# host api.facebook.com | 19:24 |
| jacekowski | api.facebook.com has address 69.171.228.75 | 19:24 |
| jacekowski | api.facebook.com has address 69.171.234.22 | 19:24 |
| jacekowski | api.facebook.com has IPv6 address 2a03:2880:10:8f01:face:b00c:0:26 | 19:24 |
| Estel_ | all normal programs use ipv4 until connected to ipv6 | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | while www.facebook.com opens pretty well in browaser | 19:24 |
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| jacekowski | Estel_: not really | 19:24 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: wget preffers ipv6 | 19:24 |
| Estel_ | mine doesn't ;) | 19:25 |
| jacekowski | Estel_: and it depends on settings in gai.conf | 19:25 |
| Estel_ | no problem in using it with KP here | 19:25 |
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| Estel_ | and I have't messed with gai.conf | 19:25 |
| Woody14619 | freemangordon: Tmobil = ipv4, TW = ipv6. Wonder if thats why the old system still works for me? Just a though. | 19:25 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski, there is no gai.conf here | 19:25 |
| freemangordon | Woody14619, yeah, seems like | 19:25 |
| jacekowski | freemangordon: that's because n900 userland isn't ipv6 ready | 19:26 |
| Estel_ | I have good idea, lets remove facebook alltogether from N900, then pray it's corpse using Monks of Stallman, and burn it in vulcano | 19:26 |
| Estel_ | never enough careful when dealing with toxic blobs | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: the problem as I see it, is that someone for some reason asks for IPv6 address. And that someone is eithr libcurl or some closed nokia binary | 19:27 |
| Estel_ | libcurl got updated lately in devel, many times | 19:27 |
| Estel_ | new version every few days | 19:27 |
| Estel_ | some unknown guy posting it - works fine, at least considering "normal" usage | 19:28 |
| Estel_ | may be related? | 19:28 |
| jacekowski | freemangordon: it's configured with gai.conf | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | Estel_, NFC, but I don't think I am using the latest libcurl | 19:28 |
| jacekowski | freemangordon: it you don't have gai.conf it will use some defaults | 19:28 |
| jacekowski | so create one with preference set to v4 | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski, ok. going to try | 19:29 |
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| freemangordon | jacekowski: adding "precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100" to /etc/gai.conf does not help | 19:38 |
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| cbeau | i am looking for help re mschapv2 authentication in maemo 5 on n900 | 19:40 |
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| cbeau | can anyone help me w mschapv2 on n900? | 19:42 |
| Estel_ | no idea what it is | 19:42 |
| cbeau | i see javispedro just quit a few minutes ago... did he say when he'd be back? | 19:43 |
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| cbeau | wondering if any of libqt-bearer-hotfix or libqt-mobility fix the mschapv2 problem... anyone? | 19:54 |
| Pali | Estel_, another bug for X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12581 | 19:57 |
| povbot_ | Bug 12581: Not possible to browse history of Developer forum | 19:57 |
| Pali | Estel_, and do you have some new info about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12415 ? | 19:58 |
| povbot_ | Bug 12415: Missing source code of osso-backup | 19:58 |
| Pali | jacekowski, hi, did you find something about nolo? | 20:00 |
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| Estel_ | Pali, as for osso-backup, not yet | 20:02 |
| Pali | ok | 20:02 |
| Estel_ | will buggy qgil again | 20:02 |
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| freemangordon | Estel_, what is your libcurl version? | 20:12 |
| Estel_ | 7-25-0.1maemo7 | 20:13 |
| freemangordon | and you cannot use FB too? | 20:13 |
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| freemangordon | Estel_ ^^^ | 20:14 |
| Estel_ | no idea, don't have fb account, never tried it | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | aaah, damn | 20:15 |
| Estel_ | wasn't ever aware about fb plugin on N900 ;) | 20:15 |
| Estel_ | until You started RE it | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | :D | 20:15 |
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| Estel_ | Yea! | 20:47 |
| Estel_ | Finally, set up dircproxy on my wrt54GL :) | 20:48 |
| Estel_ | ]I did sd car dmod properly, although, it doesn't work with 2.6 kernel - it could, if i would spend another few days in debugging what gpio are use dby 2.6 and FOSS RE of broadcom drivers, and were not in 2.4... | 20:48 |
| Estel_ | But, after all, OpenWRT, even with kernel 2.6, allow to install dirc and still have plenty of room - almsot 500 kb :) left in jffs2 | 20:49 |
| Estel_ | finally could use that dircproxy is 60 kb, lol | 20:49 |
| Estel_ | = full fledged proxy bounder on own 12V 300 mA router :D | 20:49 |
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| ThreeM | the legendary wrt54gl :D | 20:55 |
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| luke-jr | Estel_: my WZR has 19 MB free :P | 21:02 |
| Estel_ | but it cost triple as much, or more :p | 21:03 |
| Estel_ | Now I just need to find how to activate this sd card and will have 2GB free :P | 21:03 |
| Estel_ | seems like weifi drivers is occupying gpio for diodes, and don't want to gtfo from them | 21:04 |
| Estel_ | card is recognized probperly, but diodes flash as usual, which would explain why card doesn't work - jammed by diode's signals | 21:04 |
| luke-jr | oooooooo | 21:05 |
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| chem|st | jacekowski: I do not have ipv6 kernel and have the FB widget/upload problem | 21:14 |
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| chem|st | cbeau: what problem are you talking about? | 21:16 |
| freemangordon | chem|st, yeah, I was trying to explain the same think :D. But as usual - "aah, you have KP installed, there it is" :( | 21:17 |
| chem|st | grml | 21:18 |
| chem|st | and estel talking to himself about whatever... | 21:19 |
| Estel_ | chem|st, if that was meant to be another argumentum ad persona, it was poor, You're capable of doing better ;) | 21:20 |
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| cbeau | chem|st it's related to mschapv2 not working on n900 | 21:34 |
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| cbeau | has anyone ever been able to use mschapv2 successfully? | 21:36 |
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| cbeau | It does not work for me and I think the issue is that the n900 doesn't communicate that it is using mschapv2 when it initiates the connection. | 21:37 |
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| cbeau | you can check out my comment to bug 11743 at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11743 | 21:37 |
| povbot_ | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11743 Access Wifi network using PEAP+EAP MSCHAPv2 authentication | 21:37 |
| povbot_ | Bug 11743: Access Wifi network using PEAP+EAP MSCHAPv2 authentication | 21:37 |
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| cbeau | povbot_: yeah, i know about this bug... I just posted a comment there | 21:38 |
| povbot_ | cbeau: Error: "yeah," is not a valid command. | 21:38 |
| cbeau | anyone knows what software package on the n900 is responsible for communicating the inner tunnel type? | 21:39 |
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| vi_ | cbeau: ICD maybe? | 21:42 |
| Jay_W | hi there. is it possible to get a all list of all currently running apps that have a gui (like the code here http://pastebin.com/ukVB7H74 , unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a wnck-module for maemo) | 21:42 |
| vi_ | I dunno | 21:42 |
| vi_ | If not where is the written statement from Nokia stating that? | 21:42 |
| vi_ | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/mae...il/005031.html | 21:42 |
| vi_ | Quote & Reply | | 21:42 |
| vi_ | oops, wrong xterm. | 21:42 |
| cbeau | is it libicd-network-wlan or libicd-network-eap or osso-wlan(-security) or something...? | 21:42 |
| cbeau | vi_: I wish there was a way to know for sure. | 21:43 |
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| Jay_W | is there a wnck python module for maemo? | 22:18 |
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| chem|st | cbeau: it does not autoconnect if you mean that... EAP TTLS MSCHAPv2 works... | 22:34 |
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| chem|st | it is peap then? | 22:34 |
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| fasta | What's the latest Linux kernel supported? | 22:37 |
| fasta | I think the default one comes with free remote expoits. | 22:38 |
| cbeau | chem|ist: it is peap mschapv2 that I am trying and it doesn't work. As per my post for bug #11743, the issues appears to be that n900 does not communicate that it is using mschapv2 as inner tunnel. | 22:38 |
| povbot_ | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11743 Access Wifi network using PEAP+EAP MSCHAPv2 authentication | 22:38 |
| cbeau | chem|ist: so not ttls | 22:39 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: You may want to check FB issue development on #maemo-ssu | 22:40 |
| Sc0rpius | does CSSU has a FB client or something? | 22:41 |
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| Jay_W | how can one get a all list of all currently running apps that have a gui (like the code here http://pastebin.com/ukVB7H74) | 22:47 |
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| chem|st | Sc0rpius: you do not need a client... you need the sharing plugin and the widget-api | 22:50 |
| chem|st | Sc0rpius: there is sociality... needs some polishing but is working | 22:51 |
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| luf | chem|st what version of libcurl3 do you have? | 22:55 |
| chem|st | 7.18-2-8maemo6+0m5 | 22:56 |
| luf | Please try to update using extras-devel. | 22:56 |
| luf | It helps freemangordon with FB problem. | 22:57 |
| chem|st | luf: should I join u guys in cssu? | 22:57 |
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| luf | I see no reason why you can't (if you mean irc). Otherwise I'm not member of cssu yet ;) | 22:58 |
| chem|st | luf: what you mean with helping freeman with? | 22:58 |
| luf | chem|st: Try to update just libcurl from extras-devel. Not cssu itself ;-) | 22:59 |
| luf | chem|st: Let's look the #mameo-ssu log | 22:59 |
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| chem|st | luf: please talk a bit more what you are trying to achieve | 23:00 |
| chem|st | updating... | 23:00 |
| luf | chem|st: freemangordon updated libcurl3 to the one from extras-testing and FB works for himnow. | 23:01 |
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| chem|st | ehrm why do I need to install from devel then? | 23:01 |
| chem|st | freemangordon: extras-devel or extras-testing? | 23:01 |
| luf | Sorry my mistake :) But it's the same version in both. | 23:02 |
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| luf | chem|st: let's try extras-testing. | 23:02 |
| chem|st | I am on testing always... | 23:02 |
| chem|st | gmrl update takes freaking long | 23:02 |
| freemangordon | chem|st, sorry, stupid XP rebooted out of the blue | 23:02 |
| chem|st | lol | 23:02 |
| luf | I'll check again but there should be 7.25.0-1maemo7 in testing as well as in devel. | 23:03 |
| freemangordon | chem|st, i've installed libcurl from extras-devel, but as luf said, it should be the same in extras-testing | 23:03 |
| freemangordon | both photo uploader and widget work | 23:03 |
| freemangordon | sharing account setup works too | 23:04 |
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| chem|st | apt-worker is blocking me, hold on | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | do apt-get install libcurl3 | 23:05 |
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| chem|st | "apt-worker is blocking me, hold on" | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | something wrong with packaging maybe, i had the same problem | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | chem|st, i did apt-get install libcurl3 and it went fine | 23:06 |
| chem|st | no if I setup a new repo it updates for ages... | 23:06 |
| chem|st | upgraded | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | maybe it depends on stuff only in -devel | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | NFC | 23:07 |
| chem|st | testing upload | 23:07 |
| chem|st | it loads | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | loads? iploads? | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | *uploads? | 23:08 |
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| chem|st | nice | 23:09 |
| chem|st | yes upload works | 23:09 |
| chem|st | was it that ipv6 crap? | 23:09 |
| luf | freemangordon: ok, it seems you're right. Just change in curl. | 23:09 |
| luf | No idea. | 23:10 |
| freemangordon | chem|st, it is that ipv6 crap triggering some bug in stock libcurl | 23:10 |
| freemangordon | ^^^ | 23:10 |
| chem|st | lol | 23:10 |
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| chem|st | ok nice one, whoever found out post it on tmo! you deserve the thanks! | 23:11 |
| luf | chem|st: it's possible that new libcurl should have some side effect. | 23:11 |
| chem|st | luf: what kind | 23:11 |
| luf | I see noone. | 23:11 |
| freemangordon | chem|st:I already made the post ;) | 23:11 |
| chem|st | ok I check all my upload clients | 23:11 |
| luf | chem|st: but it's new version ... | 23:11 |
| chem|st | hehe | 23:12 |
| luf | chem|st: ;) | 23:12 |
| freemangordon | luf: that is why CSSU have several repos: -devel -testing -stable | 23:13 |
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| freemangordon | aah, the poor guinea pig :P | 23:14 |
| luf | freemangordon: I know but it seems it's not wide tested ... | 23:14 |
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| freemangordon | luf, that is why the first repo it will enter will be -devel | 23:14 |
| freemangordon | after a couple of weeks if there are no regressions it will enter -testing | 23:15 |
| luf | freemangordon: It's for one month in -testing ... | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | in a month or so, if still there are no regressions it will enter -stable | 23:15 |
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| freemangordon | luf: CSSU-testing | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | nad CSSU-devel | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | *and | 23:15 |
| luf | freemangordon: it should be same with extras-* | 23:16 |
| freemangordon | luf: you'd better think in terms of repos starting with cssu- if you gonna be a part of the CSSU team :P | 23:16 |
| freemangordon | lu: no, it is differen | 23:16 |
| luf | freemangordon: :D | 23:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I love that qgil still has that silly fake eyeballs avatar. | 23:29 |
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