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| vi__ | yo bros | 00:02 |
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| vi__ | freemangordon: ping | 00:06 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: nah 150€ is the upper end of the price range for me | 00:06 |
| Estel_ | oh, so even former device, that was sold for 180 euro wasn't in it :) | 00:07 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | in fact, 3 devices | 00:07 |
| merlin1991 | I got a perfectly fine one for 130 some time ago :D | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | and what about device, erm, visual state, for those 150 euro? | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | that wa sjust luck ;) | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | msot people consider 180 euro as a bargain | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | especially, with soldered down usb port | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | (reinforced) | 00:08 |
| merlin1991 | though I don't care about scratches on the plastic and stuff, it has to have a screen that is still useable and all the internals should still work | 00:08 |
| Estel_ | hm | 00:08 |
| Estel_ | so it can be scratched all the way, but usable? | 00:08 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 00:08 |
| Estel_ | It's possible that i'll have something for 150 euro + shipping. | 00:08 |
| Estel_ | have = possible to find | 00:08 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 00:08 |
| Estel_ | would be interested in such case? | 00:08 |
| vi__ | I got davyp a totally fucked but still working one for £70 | 00:09 |
| Estel_ | vi__, GTFO :P | 00:09 |
| Estel_ | ah sorry | 00:09 |
| Estel_ | missread | 00:09 |
| Estel_ | I though You've donated it to him for free, lol. not that it's bad thing | 00:09 |
| Estel_ | I'm glad we was willing to buy one | 00:09 |
| vi__ | visually it was a very unhappy n900, scratched to shit. However it all still worked inside which was wnough for him to debig phoneME on. | 00:10 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, I'll be in GSM outled tomorrow, physical one | 00:10 |
| vi__ | Estel_: the community donated little bits of monies to add up to the £70. | 00:10 |
| Estel_ | I see | 00:11 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, if You' | 00:11 |
| vi__ | Estel_: I merley bought it and shipped it. | 00:11 |
| vi__ | (and also donated monies) | 00:11 |
| Estel_ | 're interested and in need of N900, i can sear4ch for something up to 150 euro, but it won't be looking like new ;) | 00:11 |
| Estel_ | I would be glad to ship it to You if You can cover hardware costs + shippinbg | 00:11 |
| Estel_ | but need to decide fast, as I'm going sleep soon :D | 00:12 |
| Estel_ | vi__, where you've found such N900 fow 70 euro? | 00:12 |
| Estel_ | even considering full body swap, it's cheap | 00:12 |
| Estel_ | and I'm surr full wasn't needed, as flex were, probably, all ok | 00:13 |
| vi__ | Estel_: 70 GBP | 00:13 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: he said pounds not euro | 00:13 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | ah | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | quite a difference | 00:13 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: as long as it still works perfectly I don't care about visual state :) | 00:13 |
| vi__ | they drop in quality quite considerably below £90 | 00:13 |
| merlin1991 | so yeah I'd be interested | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | ok, I'm asking, because, if I find something tomorrow, i'll pay with my money... | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | ok | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | so I just wanted to rest assured that You're decided ;) | 00:14 |
| vi__ | even ones with totally fucked USB go for £40-50 in the UK. | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | where should it be shipped to? country? I'm asking due to shipping costs calculation | 00:14 |
| merlin1991 | austria | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | no problem with shipping should be pretty cheap | 00:14 |
| merlin1991 | yep :D | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | ok, will ping You if I find something | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | latets hobby of mine - saving N900's from hand of ignorants LOL | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | reinforcing USB ports, and passing them to Community | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | lmao | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | mission statement | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | and making profit on the way ;) | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | merlin - of course this one won't have usb port reinforced, juyst bought and shipped | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, in fact almsot not | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | someone would sday, that i'mworking for less than Chinese slaves, if we consider | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | ammount of work | 00:16 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | and divide money gained per hour | 00:16 |
| merlin1991 | I can work on the usb port myself | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | I know | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | that's why I'm saying it will be pure hardware + shipping cost ;p | 00:16 |
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| Estel_ | consider this as my donation via helping to get cherap N900 :p | 00:16 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 00:17 |
| Estel_ | monetary, by EU standards i'm poor like church mouse ;) so I donate via other ways, most of the time, LOL | 00:17 |
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| luke-jr | Estel_: buying one for 220 USD locally | 00:29 |
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| Estel_ | gl and hf :) | 00:29 |
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| Estel_ | don't forget to solder down usb port | 00:29 |
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| Jaffa | It's amazing how many "community" members are coming forward whose name is unrecognisable. | 11:13 |
| Jaffa | They should definitely get a free device. | 11:13 |
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| andre__ | ehehe. | 11:19 |
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| vi_ | The spam levels on the mailing list have become astronomical. | 11:24 |
| vi_ | I awoke to 23+ badly written emails about how much people 'love' maemo. | 11:25 |
| vi_ | I love my wife, I don't love maemo. | 11:25 |
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| cityLights | good morning | 11:41 |
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| ivgalvez | Estel_:ping | 11:43 |
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| ivgalvez | 10 submissions now | 12:40 |
| ivgalvez | fortunately the Wiki page is now protected, thanks Andre | 12:41 |
| ivgalvez | andre_ | 12:41 |
| ivgalvez | It seems we have opened Pandora's box | 12:42 |
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| andre__ | ivgalvez, only against unregistered users | 12:42 |
| andre__ | I don't think I can define any groups or so (except for wiki sysops) | 12:42 |
| ivgalvez | doh! | 12:45 |
| ivgalvez | thanks anyway! | 12:45 |
| ivgalvez | it's being quite time consuming today | 12:45 |
| andre__ | the blame game gets easier at least for non-IP changes :P | 12:45 |
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| vi_ | So | 12:54 |
| vi_ | MUCH | 12:54 |
| vi_ | MAILING LIST | 12:54 |
| vi_ | SPAM | 12:54 |
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| MohammadAG | I would've preferred a web based form tbh | 13:00 |
| MohammadAG | To apply or not to apply... | 13:01 |
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| andre__ | and I would have prefered if people READ first what they are expected to elaborate on (past contributions). | 13:02 |
| andre__ | but reading is hard. :) | 13:02 |
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| MohammadAG | A form would have instructions above it :p | 13:04 |
| andre__ | But there is something for free! I thought I could give it a try at least! :P | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | Well why not? | 13:09 |
| ivgalvez | ufff | 13:11 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Compared with "I like Maemos" (equivalents), I think you'd be in a position similar to Pali. Given the competition so far, I don't imagine you'd be hard cases (though didn't you get an N950 through the device programme?) | 13:13 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa: It states you can apply for an N9, I'd love to add NFC functionality to Sociality | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | Or joining chats in my WIP bt-messenger rewrite | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | (using NFC) | 13:15 |
| ivgalvez | MohammadAG: don't even think about it, just send your submission | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | But I fear that if I win I'll take a slot in place of someone | 13:15 |
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| vi_ | MohammadAG: Just send an email to the ML containing: | 13:40 |
| vi_ | "I am MAG. N9. I need this." | 13:41 |
| vi_ | Most of the entrants so far are... | 13:41 |
| vi_ | barely legible. | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Ah, true. | 13:43 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: You would. But look at some of the other applicants ;-) | 13:43 |
| * Jaffa has an N9 (well, two; and hopefully a third on its way) and an N950 already. | 13:44 | |
| ivgalvez | I hope it will improve during the following days, :( | 13:44 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa: Woah, you bought 3? | 13:45 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: One's a Nokia Developer Champion gift. The choice of devices wasn't very wide, so plumped for a new N9 - it was suggested they could be blue or magenta - so was thinking a case swap with my black (damaged) 64GB | 13:48 |
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| vi_ | I like this one: | 13:51 |
| vi_ | Im currently a samsung employee, at their gallery, but hey i dont like any OS that they offered to us, when i hold n900 and n9(maemo devices) i find myself in a happiness, and falling in love with them, i joined maemo.org for learning and add my knowledge, now im fired from samsung gallery, because im work without passion there, now i managed my own litlle gallery, for me its not a misery, but its a glory, long live maemo, from your all i know what the meani | 13:51 |
| Jaffa | Bless | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG | Missed that apparently | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | Currently + fired = lack of continuity | 13:55 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | As I mentioned on tmo - at the moment I would be much happier if they give out bug fixes instead of devices. qt mobility (n9) is a shambles. | 13:59 |
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| Jaffa | GonzoTheGreat: You do know it's different people involved in each, right? | 14:06 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | yep. I just find the development extremly frustrating and other people will find out too once they actually get started developing something. </vent> | 14:12 |
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| MohammadAG | Development for harmattan can be frustrating at times but it gives you experience :p | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | The lack of a QListWidget-like class in mtf forced me to learn how to use models | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | It took | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | Time but models are better practice | 14:57 |
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| ivgalvez | busy morning with self nominations | 15:13 |
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| ivgalvez | MohammadAG: thanks for appliying | 15:13 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG, ping | 15:14 |
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| MohammadAG | freemangordon: Pong, if it's CSSU related ping me in exactly 1 hour | 15:16 |
| freemangordon | nope, it is pastebinit related | 15:17 |
| MohammadAG | ivgalvez: You're welcome(?) :p | 15:17 |
| MohammadAG | Needs an update I guess? | 15:17 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG: You are listed as package maintainer | 15:17 |
| freemangordon | yep | 15:17 |
| freemangordon | according to vi_, didn't test it myself | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG | Probably an API break, as always | 15:18 |
| freemangordon | but the API it is currently used seems to be no longer supported | 15:18 |
| freemangordon | yeah :( | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG | Also need an hour, got a class till then | 15:18 |
| freemangordon | ok, no hurry | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG | Wish someone could rewrite a same-method library for the fb widget | 15:19 |
| freemangordon | I was thinking to check what is the situation with FB widget and photo uploader, will try today if I have time | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | freemangordon: I think Facebook-services uses FQL tables | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | It needs to use Graph API | 15:21 |
| ivgalvez | Does anyone here know something about Allegro libraries? | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | offline_access removal doesn't break login | 15:21 |
| ivgalvez | I'm porting a game and at some point a RETURN key is expected | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | Or currently logged in sessions, at least less than 60 days from now | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG | ivgalvez: KP_RETURN | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG | on n900 at least | 15:22 |
| ivgalvez | The key expected KP_RETURN is number 67 when using Allegro, while I read a 91 when pressing the key | 15:23 |
| ivgalvez | I could override it with a quick hack, but maybe it's aproblem in Allegro port | 15:23 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG: libfacebooksharingservice.so is closed source, ain't? Damn, this crap is 18k, I am going to RE it | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | freemangordon: Ldd it first | 15:26 |
| freemangordon | ok | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | It should be using libfacebookservices or sth | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | Facebook's protocol is easy | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | I could write a full replacement in Qt in less than an hour | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | But it needs to be Glib based | 15:27 |
| freemangordon | yeah, that is why I am going to RE the appropriate library, maybe /opt/maemo/usr/lib/libfacebookcommon.so.0.0.0 | 15:28 |
| freemangordon | it is 10k :D | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg -L facebook-services | 15:29 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG: gives only docs :D | 15:31 |
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| vi_ | freemangordon: allow me to but in if I may | 15:36 |
| vi_ | pastebinit is indeed semi broken | 15:36 |
| vi_ | but only because PB have changed their API | 15:36 |
| vi_ | newer versions of PBinit do not address this | 15:36 |
| vi_ | HOWEVER!! | 15:36 |
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| vi_ | newer versions of pastebinit (>v1.2) are compatible with a whole bunch of other pastebins | 15:37 |
| vi_ | that work just fine | 15:37 |
| vi_ | i.e. slexy.org | 15:37 |
| vi_ | In addition to this the debian wheezy package will install strait onto fremantle with no complaints | 15:38 |
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| freemangordon | vi_: anyway, it is MohammadAG who is the maintainer of pastebinit for Fremantle, I was just informing him. | 15:38 |
| vi_ | thus, alter pastebinit to use another pastebin as default (i.e. add the .pastebinit settings file) and all will be well | 15:39 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: COMPCACHE RULEZ | 15:39 |
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| freemangordon | vi_, how is that? | 15:39 |
| vi_ | It runs like a champ | 15:39 |
| freemangordon | BTW i replied to the thread, maybe you want to look at my question | 15:40 |
| vi_ | I did | 15:40 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 15:40 |
| vi_ | I admitted my ignorance | 15:40 |
| freemangordon | :) | 15:40 |
| vi_ | I seem to recall somwhere that if you are to significantly increase nr_requests, one must alter dirty writeback and dirty expire | 15:41 |
| freemangordon | could be, I am ignorant too :D. BTW setting nr_requests to 4000 seems a little extreme to me. Back in the days I was playing with those settings, it turned out 512 is he best compromise between lag/speed/etc. But you need to tweak fifo_expire... and such stuff | 15:44 |
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| * freemangordon gives him a cup of coffee | 15:45 | |
| vi_ | freemangordon: yup, just dialled it down to 1024 | 15:47 |
| freemangordon | vi_, you'd better try transmittion before making the final judgement :P | 15:47 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: no chance. | 15:48 |
| freemangordon | why? | 15:48 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: transmission sucks goatz balls | 15:48 |
| vi_ | rtorrent is king | 15:48 |
| freemangordon | that is the ultimate responsiveness test | 15:48 |
| vi_ | I think the test is flawed | 15:48 |
| vi_ | rtorrent behaves perfectly well when transmission will basically kill my device | 15:48 |
| freemangordon | if your n900 survives with no watchdog kicking, and you can switch between applications while transmition suck all th resources, then your VM settings are close to perfect | 15:49 |
| vi_ | bah, you are of course correct. | 15:49 |
| freemangordon | nah, I want that in caps | 15:50 |
| freemangordon | :P | 15:50 |
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| Hurrian | vi_, agreed, transmission kicks the phone to max freq even with just 200 max connections global | 15:56 |
| Hurrian | side note: tried out your kernel tunables for compcache, it's working really nice ;) | 15:57 |
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| Pali | has somebody heard about qwerty12? | 15:59 |
| Hurrian | he's been gone ever since the volume control app | 15:59 |
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| vi_ | Pali: qwerty12 diesd in a horrific fire RIP | 16:04 |
| vi_ | when I say fire I mean flame war | 16:05 |
| Pali | after his last tmo post I did not see him | 16:05 |
| vi_ | that is because he quit | 16:05 |
| vi_ | he was so enraged by the noob whinging and Nokia's failure to deliver on promises. | 16:06 |
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| teotwaki | Pali: you can shoot him an email, he replies most of the time (actually, every single time I sent him an email he replied). | 16:07 |
| Pali | ok | 16:07 |
| teotwaki | ~seen qwerty12 | 16:07 |
| infobot | qwerty12 <~qwerty12@31.185.237.96> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 171d 19h 26m 9s ago, saying: '?'. | 16:07 |
| teotwaki | that's actually less than I expected. | 16:08 |
| vi_ | They say if you listen on a darknight, when the mmon is fat you can still here the incandescent rage betwatting nokia from beyond the other side. | 16:09 |
| vi_ | ^moon | 16:09 |
| teotwaki | They say if you take a second to read what you've just typed, you can remove all those pesky typos that ruin your discourse. | 16:09 |
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| vi_ | -_- | 16:11 |
| vi_ | google has ruined my spelling. | 16:11 |
| fastlane`` | computers have ruined my spellings in general | 16:11 |
| vi_ | In fact I only had one spelling error. And it was more of a keyboard slip. | 16:12 |
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| freemangordon | vi_, 128MB for compcache is not a good idea, I was just able to bring my device to its knees . sygic, ovi maps, microb opening FB 2-3 more light applications and it entered swap trashing inferno | 16:13 |
| freemangordon | to the point i was not able to close any application and to free some RAM | 16:14 |
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| freemangordon | vi_, also have in mind I am running lots of stuff thumb compiled, so memory usage is lower than on "stock" device | 16:15 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: bah | 16:17 |
| Hurrian | freemangordon: I just filled /dev/ramzswap0, size 128M. All's still fine. | 16:17 |
| vi_ | I just filled my pants. | 16:18 |
| Hurrian | although, i could imagine the device going batshit insane if you try to launch another program and it starts to have to page out of ramzswap | 16:18 |
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| freemangordon | Hurrian, it is not a problem with ramzswap being full, the problem comes when you have no enough free RAM to keep executables in memory | 16:20 |
| ivgalvez | liballegro4.2 freezed my device when trying to apply fullscreen | 16:20 |
| freemangordon | Hurrian,... so kernel constantly discards executable pages from memory, load another, etc, etc | 16:22 |
| ShadowJK | I found compcache with backing swap is brutal, because the access pattern seems to be optimized for making flash go slow | 16:24 |
| freemangordon | vi_, AIUI anything more than lets say 64MB-80MB for disksize_kb could potentialy lead to device being totaly unresponsive under heavy load | 16:24 |
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| vi_ | I have 4 browser windows, conky, SMS, xterm, sygic, ovi maps, angry birds opera (1 page) and marble maps open. | 16:25 |
| Hurrian | freemangordon, ah. mega swap thrashing. | 16:25 |
| vi_ | chugging along | 16:25 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK, yeah, using backing swap makes the device look like using floppy for swapping :) | 16:25 |
| ShadowJK | Also last time I tried it, the next day my N900 had rebooted just from sitting idle on my desk :) | 16:25 |
| freemangordon | vi_, try to open FB | 16:26 |
| freemangordon | from within microb | 16:26 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK, what was the swap size? | 16:26 |
| ShadowJK | i forget, probably 128 :) | 16:26 |
| freemangordon | yeah, too much | 16:26 |
| freemangordon | Hurrian, definitely ;) | 16:27 |
| vi_ | I do not have a facebook account... | 16:28 |
| vi_ | however FB.com seems to load | 16:28 |
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| freemangordon | well, open youtube, or another heavy site | 16:28 |
| ShadowJK | theinquirer.net, open 5-10 news articles | 16:29 |
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| Hurrian | freemangordon: I find that fb is slow not because of lack of RAM, but because of all that javascript | 16:31 |
| Hurrian | browserd's at 58% CPU rendering Home | 16:31 |
| teotwaki | Hurrian: those are two different ways of saying the same thing | 16:31 |
| teotwaki | Hurrian: if you believe JS isn't RAM hungry, think again. Even more so if your device has to swap and allocate a lot. | 16:32 |
| vi_ | ok +2 youtubes has finally caused it to start bogging down | 16:33 |
| ShadowJK | it's a difference between cpu spending majority of time busy and cpu spending majority of time in iowait though :P | 16:33 |
| vi_ | still an impressive score | 16:33 |
| vi_ | that is most of my heaviest stuff open all at once | 16:33 |
| freemangordon | Hurrian, i've never said FB is slow, it is not. But once you enter swap trashing, there is no escape | 16:33 |
| freemangordon | vi_ agree, but by lowering compcache size by half, you will prevent that | 16:34 |
| freemangordon | I mean - it wont be as fast as with 128MB, but you won't risk a device reboot | 16:35 |
| freemangordon | maybe it depends on usage pattern thoug | 16:35 |
| Estel_ | heh, my 3 years old son loves to play Frogatoo on N900, maybe I should convince him to submit for device too | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | hrhr | 16:35 |
| Estel_ | And someone though, that self-submitting may be bad becauise of shy submitters | 16:36 |
| Estel_ | I can only imagine what we would ghet as self-submissions + submissions by 3rd party | 16:36 |
| freemangordon | Estel_, he might actually get one, I heard he has relatives in the council :P | 16:36 |
| Estel_ | ;P | 16:37 |
| Estel_ | considering current nominees - except few ones - he would hasd big chances even without it | 16:37 |
| vi_ | How are people subposed to vote for the worthy recipients when their submission will be lost in so much badly written trash? | 16:37 |
| Hurrian | side note: just noticed that JIT is not enabled by default in browserd (javascript.options.kit.chome/content) | 16:37 |
| Estel_ | they are not supposed to vote | 16:37 |
| Estel_ | at all | 16:37 |
| Estel_ | fortunately, we have gone north kroea way, and we're deciding who will get device authoritary. | 16:38 |
| vi_ | great | 16:39 |
| Estel_ | and, during discussion about it, everyone seemed to love idea, as it saves us "Hello, my name is josh, please vote for me as I love maemo" PM's | 16:39 |
| vi_ | I will take 2 please. | 16:39 |
| Estel_ | ...so Mohammad and freeman have chances for device, as they';re too busy wuith developing, to do lobbing | 16:39 |
| freemangordon | vi_, you won't , it is too late for you :P | 16:39 |
| ivgalvez | vi_: I' tracking all the submissions | 16:39 |
| ivgalvez | harder than expected I must say | 16:40 |
| Estel_ | Jaffa, pong | 16:40 |
| vi_ | ivgalvez: no shit | 16:40 |
| ivgalvez | but no one will be lost | 16:40 |
| Estel_ | well, it's like democracy, idiots are also supposed to vote or candidate | 16:41 |
| Estel_ | we must put all those monthy python's flying circus into wiki | 16:41 |
| Estel_ | will be interesting to read | 16:41 |
| ivgalvez | some of the submissions are quite embarrasing, but they have the right to submit anyway | 16:41 |
| Estel_ | yep. | 16:41 |
| Estel_ | ivgalvez, You're doing awesome work | 16:41 |
| Estel_ | i'm little late today, could You please tell me WTF was with wiki page? | 16:41 |
| Estel_ | someone edited it in bloated way? | 16:42 |
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| vi_ | Estel_: some douchehandle tried to rig the votes by deleting everyone else. | 16:42 |
| ivgalvez | Estel_: yes, the user ibrakalifa messed some other candidates while trying to add himself | 16:42 |
| ivgalvez | everything is in place now | 16:42 |
| Estel_ | vi_, funny, as wiki is only "poster" to announce what we have on internal list | 16:42 |
| Estel_ | some idiot really though it's voting mechanism embedded, or what? | 16:43 |
| Estel_ | if it will become too troublesome to maintain, we will just move to closed thread on TMO | 16:43 |
| ivgalvez | for me the best way to track it is to watch changes. I will discard any changes not made by Council members | 16:43 |
| Estel_ | updated via mdoerators once per week | 16:43 |
| Estel_ | ivgalvez, no way to make it auto? | 16:44 |
| ivgalvez | apparently not, Andre_ already protected the page against anonymous changes | 16:44 |
| Estel_ | it's a PITA, You got better things to do, probably | 16:44 |
| Estel_ | ok | 16:44 |
| Estel_ | if someone edit this page without right to, on malicious purposes, and do it as registered member... | 16:44 |
| Estel_ | repoort him to admin for bans | 16:44 |
| Estel_ | if it won't ceas ein few days, we will just put "poster" into locked gallery | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | you could make it automatic | 16:45 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, how? | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | it'd just be a pita though | 16:45 |
| Estel_ | I see | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | make a daemon that monitors your email, saves a cookie from your wiki login, when an email comes, pick up N9 or N950, if both present say any, add that to wiki through an internally controlled webpage, (QWebPage if using Qt) | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | by the time you're done with the daemon, submissions would be over | 16:46 |
| Estel_ | I was rather talking about autopmatically reverting changes to wiki page | 16:46 |
| Estel_ | not done by council members | 16:46 |
| Estel_ | should be easier, but still overkill | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | haha | 16:46 |
| Estel_ | putting name sin lsit isn't problem, idiots editing wiki were. | 16:46 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, what is so funny? "Hello I'm 12 years old and I like N900, could You give me N950 please please please"? :P | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not allowing anonymous edits would already help a lot | 16:47 |
| Estel_ | it's already done | 16:47 |
| Estel_ | andree should get N9 jsut for that :P | 16:47 |
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| Estel_ | s/jsut/just/ | 16:47 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: andree should get N9 just for that :P | 16:47 |
| teotwaki | Estel_: who is that? | 16:47 |
| Estel_ | guy that blocked wiki for anonymous edits | 16:48 |
| Estel_ | honestly, I belive that whole wiki should be protected from anonymous edits | 16:48 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, I can't see Your pastebin | 16:48 |
| Estel_ | it seems to be down | 16:48 |
| Hurrian | Estel_, when maemo users are the target for wiki, and most (all? does SSO work?) maemo.org users have wiki account, I agree | 16:49 |
| * teotwaki puts on some Beastie Boys, and dives back into debugging g++. | 16:49 | |
| MohammadAG | debugging g++? | 16:49 |
| teotwaki | yeah, I discovered a bug recently | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | next up, debugging gdb | 16:50 |
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| Estel_ | "Im so proud when hold my first N900, reading, and watching youtube everyday about maemo(dualboot, etc), and then finally managed to get one after saving my money and i love it!! , after 4 months hold n900, disaster comings, my son play it around and throw my n900 into the water" | 16:51 |
| Estel_ | I think it isn';t submission?:P | 16:51 |
| Estel_ | someone is jsut telling us his life story | 16:51 |
| ShadowJK | I don't need a free n950 or N9, but i'd very much like nokia to sell me a new N900 :P | 16:52 |
| Estel_ | anyway, he didn't specified which one ehs interested inm ,so it's *not* submission | 16:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 starts screaming on output of 'mount' on a current linux :-O | 16:52 | |
| teotwaki | there's seems to be some poorly handled exception handling when encapsulating the topological_sort on variable acyclic graphs, MohammadAG. | 16:52 |
| Estel_ | ivgalvez, you're strict and don't accept submissions that lack requiments, yep? | 16:52 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, I can sell you N900 in ideal condition with USB port soldered down :p | 16:52 |
| vi_ | Estel_: cool the nerdjets spazz. | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | teotwaki, you lost me at when | 16:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 writes imount, the interactive mount info tool | 16:53 | |
| vi_ | Estel_: you have about 2 more weeks of this horseshit to wade through. | 16:53 |
| Estel_ | 3, actually | 16:53 |
| teotwaki | :) | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: +++++++++++ | 16:53 |
| teotwaki | I wouldn't mind buying an N950 to be honest. | 16:54 |
| Estel_ | teotwaki, no problem, only 2000$ | 16:54 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: you forgot a 0 | 16:54 |
| Estel_ | ;P | 16:54 |
| teotwaki | s/an/a new/ | 16:54 |
| infobot | teotwaki meant: I wouldn't mind buying a new N950 to be honest. | 16:54 |
| vi_ | Estel_: sure, just send me bank account number and login and I will wire you the monies RITE NOW. | 16:55 |
| Estel_ | ivgalvez: | 16:55 |
| Estel_ | "For my love of maemo, i want to participate in maemo developing as a tester, or whatever they wanna say, i really falling love to the n950 at the first sight, long live maemo" | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | vi_: no shit, sherlock | 16:55 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: did you notice I filed a bug report against the Linux kernel/doc? | 16:55 |
| Estel_ | tthings like that aren't valid submissions | 16:55 |
| Estel_ | as epr requiments | 16:55 |
| Estel_ | as per* | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | check prices for e.g. TI gaze | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | TI zoom-II | 16:55 |
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| teotwaki | Estel_: I think somedude's submission was hilarious. | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 2000$ for N950 is a bargain | 16:56 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: it's just bribing a judge ;) | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | err blaze | 16:56 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, at that price point, might as well buy enough kit to make pandaboard portable ;) | 16:56 |
| teotwaki | Maybe I could score one, just by going "I'd like to port liqbase to the next platform Gary (RIP) never got to see. I will send the device to the next developer as soon as the task is completed". | 16:56 |
| Estel_ | "Yes, thats great. I love maemo too and my head is full of many ideas about apps. But i dont have a device and i prefer the N950 because of the keyboard. I use it really often on my N900. " | 16:57 |
| Estel_ | that isn';t submissions too | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | http://www.slashgear.com/texas-instruments-omap-blaze-on-sale-now-1485657/ | 16:57 |
| Estel_ | he';s just saying what he would like to mhave | 16:57 |
| vi_ | Estel_: how many registered users on TMO? | 16:58 |
| Estel_ | No idea. | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and if you wait a bit longet, you even can insert G7400 LTE module into Blaze | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ;-D | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | teotwaki, nope | 17:00 |
| Hurrian | the TI-phones come in dual-screen configurations now? | 17:00 |
| Hurrian | I remember when they had ridiculous guts in a blackberry-like form factor | 17:00 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43249 (oh, and shut up stupid bot, you won't find this bug in bmo). | 17:01 |
| povbot | Bug 43249: was not found. | 17:01 |
| teotwaki | told you so. | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ;-P | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | now if I had +o I would've handled that more maturely | 17:01 |
| merlin1991 | povbot relally needs better triggers | 17:01 |
| povbot | merlin1991: Error: "relally" is not a valid command. | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: LOL | 17:01 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o MohammadAG | 17:01 | |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: go for it. | 17:01 |
| *** MohammadAG sets mode: +q povbot!*@* | 17:01 | |
| teotwaki | haha | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | MohammadAG: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43249 | 17:02 |
| povbot | Bug 43249: was not found. | 17:02 |
| *** MohammadAG sets mode: -q povbot!*@* | 17:02 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o MohammadAG | 17:02 | |
| MohammadAG | /kick teotwaki | 17:02 |
| Estel_ | oh, I've come i to 2 first valid submissions! | 17:02 |
| merlin1991 | it's especially confusing if you state a bug from some project that has a valid id on the bmo tracker | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | naw, I wanted to take over the channel and say N9 OR #MAEMO GETS IT! | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hahaha https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43249 let's see if timeout wouldn't do the same | 17:02 |
| povbot | Bug 43249: was not found. | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh, nope | 17:02 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: err what? | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | oh, the bug's confirmed | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | XEN SUCKS!!!! | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | opensuse xen SUUUUUUCKS | 17:03 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, I mean that soi far, i've found only 3 valid suybmissions. I'm keeping reading | 17:03 |
| merlin1991 | I've seen 4 so far | 17:03 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: I would've just typed /cs recover #maemo | 17:04 |
| Estel_ | Who the hell is | 17:04 |
| Estel_ | Muhammad Ayaz <azadpaki@gmail.com | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anybody any idea what friggin kernel to get for xen dom0? | 17:04 |
| teotwaki | Estel_: somedude, he's been active on tmo | 17:04 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: go debian ;) | 17:04 |
| Estel_ | teotwaki, yea. | 17:05 |
| ivgalvez | Estel_: I'm not discarding anyone that has properly sent his submission to mailing list | 17:05 |
| teotwaki | ivgalvez: you ought to. | 17:05 |
| Estel_ | hardly to the point of receiving device, but.. Well, we will compare him with others ;0 | 17:05 |
| Estel_ | ivgalvez, You're right | 17:05 |
| teotwaki | ivgalvez: send the device to the ones with the oldest user ids on maemo | 17:05 |
| Estel_ | but "properly" | 17:05 |
| ivgalvez | Estel_: that doesn't mean they will receive a device | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm almost tempted: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/install-boot-login/468353-opensuse-12-1-cant-boot-into-xen-error-13-invalid-unsupported-executable-format.html | 17:05 |
| teotwaki | ivgalvez: or, those who appear most often on the "random community member" page. | 17:05 |
| Estel_ | ivgalvez, I know, but please, do not put on wiki submissions that are not in line with requiments | 17:05 |
| Estel_ | I.E ones that fail to state which device they preffer (if any) or satisfied by any | 17:06 |
| Estel_ | or submissions, that fail to state that they're submissions | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | teotwaki, N9 FOR ME AND TEOTWAKI OR #MAEMO GETS IT | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | teamwork :p | 17:06 |
| Estel_ | like "I would like to have N950, because it have keyboard" | 17:06 |
| Estel_ | fine | 17:06 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: I can take down maemo.org :P | 17:06 |
| Estel_ | "I would like to have new car" | 17:06 |
| Estel_ | doesn't mean I'm submitting for Toshiba program | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aaaaah | 17:06 |
| teotwaki | Toshiba makes cars? | 17:06 |
| teotwaki | I thought they made laptops? | 17:07 |
| Estel_ | requiments clearly state what is required to be included in submissions (and what is optional) | 17:07 |
| ivgalvez | we said that the resume wasn't mandatory, now we are f**ed | 17:07 |
| merlin1991 | hm should have added the because keyboard line to my email since that actually is my rationale :D | 17:07 |
| Estel_ | teotwaki, whatever ;P | 17:07 |
| Estel_ | ivgalvez, it's ok, I don't want their reasoning | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | ivgalvez, this channel is PG-17, you can say fucked without censoring it :p | 17:07 |
| Estel_ | I mean lacvk of mandatory things like | 17:07 |
| Estel_ | "I would liek to submit for..." (and such loike) | 17:07 |
| ivgalvez | MohammadAG: I thought it was more funny that way | 17:08 |
| Estel_ | oh, I suck at writing today | 17:08 |
| teotwaki | Estel_: don't worry, it's not just today. | 17:08 |
| * MohammadAG ponders setting this as his tmo avatar http://salestores.com/stores/images/images_747/771FSS.jpg | 17:08 | |
| MohammadAG | what? it has my initials | 17:09 |
| Estel_ | ivgalvez, you're doing awesome hard work processing all this submissions | 17:09 |
| Estel_ | dont take me wrong, I'm not criticizing | 17:09 |
| ivgalvez | no worries | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oh fsck, shitstorm for free hardware | 17:09 |
| Estel_ | I just mean that we should, IMO, be strict about submissions failing to provide required statements/fields | 17:09 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: go for it :D | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | teotwaki, a /kick is free right? | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | honestly, what did you expect? | 17:10 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: well I'd tell you that you'd be a valid candidate if it werent for the fact that you hate harm :D | 17:11 |
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| Jaffa | Estel_: ACK | 17:12 |
| RST38h | Heh... NOK is $2.82 on the market. And their flagship store in Moscow just changed to Samsung. | 17:13 |
| jaska | hah | 17:14 |
| * RST38h remembers when NOK just hit $6 and everyone thought it was terrible | 17:14 | |
| * RST38h further wonders what those corporate investors who approved of Elop are thinking now. | 17:14 | |
| * merlin1991 wonders when to buy in to NOK | 17:15 | |
| Jaffa | "Ooops" | 17:15 |
| RST38h | I am *sure* they think "Our darling Elop has Plan, wonderful Plan!" | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: I bought a bit when it hit $3 | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: Might buy more if it hits $2 ;-) | 17:15 |
| Hurrian | merlin1991: word on the street is that the Lumia 610 doesn't run angry birds and skype. | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: I would hate the time I had to spent for waiting for DHL | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | what if it goes down even after 2 | 17:15 |
| RST38h | merlin: Unless you have inside info about someone buying Nokia out, the right time is probably "never" | 17:15 |
| merlin1991 | RST38h: :D | 17:16 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Then Nokia's buyout should give more of a payoff. But it's a risk. | 17:16 |
| Jaffa | Very much in the "big gamble" category | 17:16 |
| RST38h | If you do have the inside info though, then yeah, by all means | 17:16 |
| merlin1991 | no inside info :/ | 17:16 |
| RST38h | Then forget the poor elopsized finns =( | 17:17 |
| merlin1991 | also nfc how to buy in to nok | 17:17 |
| RST38h | And think of your own company working on the next gen mobile platform :) | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Jaffa: I virtually bought @ 7.04 EURO | 17:17 |
| jaska | elop on a pole | 17:17 |
| RST38h | Because the market will not stay with 2 platforms for long | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Jaffa: now I'm convinced I'll never touch stock market :-P | 17:18 |
| RST38h | Doc: Well, depends | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | if only I bought apple stocks 4 years ago | 17:18 |
| RST38h | Doc: Buying into gold in 2001 was totally predictable and totally good for example | 17:18 |
| RST38h | And Mohammad is right, you could buy Apple many times in the past, and there wasn't much risk then | 17:19 |
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| * MohammadAG looks at 2 year chart on the iPhone | 17:20 | |
| RST38h | And all you have got is a crappy iPhone, Moahammad! Should be ashamed of yourself, etc etc | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | July, less than 315 | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | April this year, 636 | 17:21 |
| Estel_ | hey, maybe we shoukld convince quim | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | to buy apple? | 17:21 |
| Estel_ | to "give" away Nokia stock ;P | 17:21 |
| Estel_ | to all of those submitters | 17:22 |
| Estel_ | it would be cheap... | 17:22 |
| ShadowJK | uh | 17:22 |
| Estel_ | ...effective... | 17:22 |
| RST38h | his own nokia stock yu mean? =) | 17:22 |
| Estel_ | and we will keep devices for ourself | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what's the easy hacker aproach to neuter suspend-to-ram for a whole linux system? | 17:22 |
| ShadowJK | you what | 17:22 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer51: disable it in kernel config | 17:22 |
| ShadowJK | usually people struggle to make it work | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | that's not the easy hacker way :p | 17:22 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: neuter or disable entirely? <.< | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah, it simply doesn't work, I won't bother to fix shit, and I won't build a new kernel | 17:23 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: could forcefully keep setting the RTC wakeup timer to a few seconds into the future… | 17:23 |
| luke-jr | o | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I thought about "rm `which suspend`" | 17:23 |
| ShadowJK | pm-suspend | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | thanks | 17:23 |
| luke-jr | there's a suspend program⁈⁈ I always just echo to the /sys | 17:23 |
| ShadowJK | yeah it handles hw and bios bugs and such | 17:24 |
| ShadowJK | "quirks" | 17:24 |
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| MrPingu | Hi | 17:24 |
| * luke-jr only uses suspend/hibernate to add new hardware without rebooting <.< | 17:24 | |
| Estel_ | I got question | 17:24 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, DocScrutinizer and others | 17:25 |
| sid_ | what OS/windowmanager | 17:25 |
| Estel_ | what is *exactly* | 17:25 |
| Estel_ | a state, when we invoke on N900 | 17:25 |
| * ShadowJK doesn't use suspend at all, but I do use hibernate | 17:25 | |
| Estel_ | echo mem /sys/power/state | 17:25 |
| Estel_ | or smth like that | 17:25 |
| ShadowJK | it's C4 | 17:25 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: suspend-to-RAM is useful for buggy hardware that just needs a reset ;) | 17:25 |
| Hurrian | "deep sleep" | 17:25 |
| Estel_ | C4? shouldn't CPU enter it on it's own? | 17:25 |
| Estel_ | yea,. I noticed that it's suspend, but... | 17:26 |
| luke-jr | yes | 17:26 |
| ShadowJK | yes but if your system is bugged you force it | 17:26 |
| luke-jr | never heard of using suspend/hibernate on N900 | 17:26 |
| ShadowJK | and it forces stuff to stop running | 17:26 |
| ShadowJK | I've never tried it, does it actually wake up too? | 17:26 |
| luke-jr | I hope I "win" a N950; my N900 seems to be on its last leg :/ | 17:27 |
| luke-jr | is there a judge to bribe? | 17:27 |
| luke-jr | (j/k‼!) | 17:27 |
| Estel_ | ...when ShadowJK, ye,a it works reasonably wlel... | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: or it fscks up hw that doesn't like that kind of "reset" | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just like for me and my t500 | 17:28 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: well, I remove it from the system first | 17:28 |
| Estel_ | hm, but question here | 17:28 |
| luke-jr | and rescan the PCI bus after | 17:28 |
| Estel_ | If I have gsm enabled | 17:28 |
| luke-jr | also, I only ever use the hardware in a KVM | 17:28 |
| Estel_ | it automatically kick off device from C4 | 17:28 |
| Estel_ | I mean suspend to sleep | 17:28 |
| Estel_ | CPu enters C4 as it should | 17:28 |
| Estel_ | I need to sue offline mode before mem sys/power/state | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | less /usr/lib/pm-utils/bin/pm-action | 17:29 |
| Estel_ | in this state, it uses ~3 mA per hour | 17:29 |
| luke-jr | it'd be nice if someday handhelds had power savings of watches :D | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: per hour?? | 17:29 |
| Estel_ | yes | 17:29 |
| Estel_ | well, it's not a surprise, as off-line device without it uses ~7 mA per hour | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dank, so after one day it uses 150mA then? ;-) | 17:30 |
| ivgalvez | anyone with knowledge on liballegro4.2? I'm getting system freeze when enabling fullscreen (640x480) at 32bpp, segfault in fullscreen at 16bpp and work fine with windowed 640x480 at 32bpp | 17:30 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 17:30 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, after 24 hours in sleep my device uses ~70-80 mAh | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mAh != mA | 17:30 |
| Estel_ | yea, what's the problem? | 17:30 |
| Estel_ | durin sleep, power usage is ~3mA | 17:31 |
| ShadowJK | iirc in idle and offline mode my N900 does about 3-4mA when idle (almost idle, an x-term and bq27200 on 60s interval) | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if it's using 6mAh/h... | 17:31 |
| Estel_ | soa fter 34 hours it eats up ~0-80 mA | 17:31 |
| Estel_ | 24 hours* | 17:31 |
| Estel_ | scratch ythat. I mena 70-80 mAh | 17:31 |
| Estel_ | less of battery power | 17:31 |
| Estel_ | after 24 hours in deep sleep | 17:31 |
| Estel_ | on properly configured device | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this wind power plant can provide electric energy for 500 houses per year | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | \o/( | 17:32 |
| Estel_ | Actually, i'm using it for ages, for overnight sleep - device wakes up in ~2 seconds | 17:32 |
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| Estel_ | N900 implementation haw few flaws, though. | 17:32 |
| Estel_ | first of all, not only slide-lock wake sit up | 17:33 |
| Estel_ | but also power buttonm and camera button | 17:33 |
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| teotwaki | } } } } } } ; { { } ; ; } ; { } ; ; ; { } ; { { ; { ; } } { { { } { ; ; { { } } { { { { { { { { ; { ; { { ; { { ; ; { } ; ",*a[40],*q=E+20,*T=E+1080; | 17:33 |
| Estel_ | so now way to keep it in pocket without waking up | 17:33 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: don't forget camera lid wakes it up aswell | 17:33 |
| teotwaki | S(0)V(A[2]&7)-2*(A[2]&8),V A[3],S(4)S(6)q+=8) q+=22; | 17:33 |
| Estel_ | 2nd flaw - GSM wifgi,m bluetooth or any other comm wakes it up after immediately, so yoiu can do it only in offline mode, obviously | 17:33 |
| merlin1991 | teotwaki: wtf is that? :D | 17:33 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, true, but I'm talking about things easy to click by mistake | 17:33 |
| teotwaki | C code. | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, syntax test | 17:34 |
| teotwaki | merlin1991: http://www.ioccc.org/2011/vik/vik.c | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | and it checks out, all weird stuff is between "" | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: the whole suspend-to-ram thing been evaluted by speedevil ~2 years ago | 17:35 |
| Estel_ | I know. So? | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and yes, it's known that it takes ~3mA, and the downside is unsolicited msgs from modem will resume it all the time | 17:35 |
| Estel_ | I wonder if it would be possible to fix it | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | in theory it is | 17:36 |
| Estel_ | in kernel, maybe? | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there are commands to block unsolicited msgs | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | in modem | 17:36 |
| spark666 | i didnt saw the entire conversation,but where i need to submit to win a n950?:D | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | at least *some* modems can do that | 17:36 |
| teotwaki | spark666: who the fuck are you? | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 17:37 |
| vi_ | spark666: they are all gone | 17:37 |
| teotwaki | spark666: and do you deserve an n950? | 17:37 |
| spark666 | vi_: tnx | 17:37 |
| vi_ | spark666: first come first served | 17:37 |
| spark666 | teotwaki: why are you rude? | 17:37 |
| vi_ | spark666: I got atleast 3. | 17:37 |
| spark666 | i just asked | 17:37 |
| teotwaki | So did I? | 17:37 |
| freemangordon | yeah, too late, even vi_ cannot get one :D | 17:37 |
| vi_ | spark666: it is a contentious issue that has caused much friction. | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | o/ freemangordon | 17:37 |
| teotwaki | also, I'm an arse, so I'm rude to whomever I want :P | 17:38 |
| spark666 | teotwaki: a-ha | 17:38 |
| merlin1991 | also spark666 see http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Awards | 17:39 |
| merlin1991 | and don't trust trolls on irc ;) | 17:39 |
| spark666 | merlin1991: tnx | 17:39 |
| teotwaki | merlin1991: you calling me a troll? | 17:39 |
| freemangordon | nah, he was talking about me | 17:39 |
| vi_ | teotwaki: are you claiming you are not? | 17:40 |
| teotwaki | well, yeah. | 17:40 |
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| teotwaki | I'm helpful. | 17:40 |
| vi_ | A troll would say that. | 17:40 |
| teotwaki | I made it very clear that unless said devil's spark has accomplished serious things for the Maemo community, it is useless to apply. | 17:40 |
| vi_ | what would docscrutiniser say if I were to ask hime if you are a troll? | 17:41 |
| teotwaki | how about I kick your ass and we're done with this discussion? | 17:41 |
| teotwaki | I may have been less eloquent when conveying said message, but still, my point stands. | 17:41 |
| vi_ | come at me bro. | 17:41 |
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| teotwaki | nuff said. | 17:41 |
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| vi_ | I will beat you so hard even your grand kids will be smarting. | 17:42 |
| vi_ | In fact it will be such a beating you will not be able to reproduce. | 17:42 |
| vi_ | It will be your grand kids in a parallel reality. | 17:42 |
| teotwaki | vi_: Do you seriously want to go there? | 17:42 |
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| * MohammadAG ponders about microwaving some popcorn | 17:44 | |
| NIN101 | in this "conversation", there can only be winners :D | 17:44 |
| teotwaki | losers, but some more than others. | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooooh popcorn | 17:44 |
| * MohammadAG pops some | 17:45 | |
| * DocScrutinizer51 starts the microwave | 17:45 | |
| * teotwaki sets up a popcorn stand and makes quick buck | 17:45 | |
| teotwaki | s/makes/makes a/ | 17:45 |
| * MohammadAG demands free community award popcorn | 17:45 | |
| teotwaki | I read that as "demands community awarded porn" | 17:45 |
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| MohammadAG | we offer that? | 17:46 |
| * luke-jr wonders what's up with all the MCA nominations with no accomplishments at all… | 17:46 | |
| teotwaki | luke-jr: you're one of the few I'd support. | 17:47 |
| teotwaki | ivgalvez: Can I voice my support of a few candidacies? | 17:47 |
| teotwaki | ivgalvez: will that have any kind of effect? | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | need, harmattan, SDK | 17:48 |
| * MohammadAG stabs merlin1991 | 17:48 | |
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| ivgalvez | teotwaki: nope | 17:49 |
| ivgalvez | it's Council decission | 17:49 |
| teotwaki | decision even | 17:49 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: ... | 17:49 |
| teotwaki | fair enough, better not to have a popularity contest. | 17:49 |
| MrPingu | indeed, filters out all non-contributing | 17:50 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: what exactly do you need? | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, it's a secret :P | 17:50 |
| teotwaki | Also, doing things purely "past achievements" is completely stupid to be honest. | 17:50 |
| merlin1991 | then why stab me :D | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, you told me to delete /scratchbox | 17:51 |
| merlin1991 | after you cleansed everything and backed up your sb home dirs | 17:51 |
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| merlin1991 | you're free to install the harm sdk again, just make sure not to pollute your cssu build env ;) | 17:52 |
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| vi_ | teotwaki: surely it is the best indication? | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, that's the problem, reinstalling it | 17:52 |
| merlin1991 | err why? | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | not everyone has a highspeed internet connection | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | well, in dorms at least | 17:53 |
| merlin1991 | get the scratchbox debs, install them, dl a rootstrap extract and done :D | 17:53 |
| merlin1991 | and ofc do all that with a 3GB/s downstream :D | 17:53 |
| teotwaki | ivgalvez: Maybe we should posthumously attribute one to lcuk? He single-handedly inspired a generation of maemoers at onedotzero. Or maybe I could run as well? I wrote a couple of apps, helped dev/run liqbase for a while, I also helped release the injection wifi driver, I used to be a tmo mod, etc, yet, by current standards, my contributions amount to a load of bollocks on IRC... | 17:53 |
| teotwaki | vi_: ^ | 17:53 |
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| * RST38h is all for voting lcuk into the council | 17:54 | |
| teotwaki | heh | 17:54 |
| teotwaki | +1 RST38h | 17:54 |
| teotwaki | I mean, people who *did* a lot for the community, there's heaps. | 17:54 |
| vi_ | people who did a lot AND still contribute. | 17:55 |
| teotwaki | well, that's not defined, is it? | 17:55 |
| vi_ | i.e. qwerty12, probably not eligable? | 17:55 |
| teotwaki | why not? | 17:55 |
| RST38h | No way he can be less active in this role than other candidates | 17:55 |
| teotwaki | Is the idea to attract talented devs? Get them back to the platforms? | 17:55 |
| teotwaki | Or is it just a "so long and thanks for all the fish" movement? | 17:55 |
| vi_ | Because he says he hates everyone and is not interested anymore. | 17:55 |
| teotwaki | he doesn't say that. | 17:56 |
| vi_ | Titan, grandfather of the power kernel. | 17:56 |
| vi_ | not eligable. | 17:56 |
| teotwaki | eligible* | 17:56 |
| teotwaki | He may have stated that, but the feeling I get from the few emails I've exchanged with him are very different -- he's grown, and changed. Prod him, and he just might come back. | 17:56 |
| vi_ | then more power to him | 17:57 |
| teotwaki | I'm just saying, past achievements only are a pretty poor performance indicator. | 17:57 |
| vi_ | They are a good place to start though. | 17:58 |
| teotwaki | If the same had been done two or three years ago when MohammadAG just joined, we wouldn't have seen a lot; yet he's now one, if not the, maemo star dev. | 17:58 |
| teotwaki | *cough* and I showed him his moves... *cough* | 17:58 |
| vi_ | you are almost angling for pro-life type arguments here. | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | I must say I would've sucked without lcuk | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | alterego and Venemo for help with C++ | 17:59 |
| Jaffa | teotwaki: Future promises have also been shown to be pretty poor too. Look at what ppl promise to get a free device and then never deliver. | 17:59 |
| teotwaki | Jaffa: I never said future promises were a good indicator. | 17:59 |
| Jaffa | teotwaki: IOW, all ways suck. The current approach seems to have produced more suckers | 17:59 |
| teotwaki | This being said, I think explaining the real reasoning behind this device giveaway wouldn't be such a bad thing. | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, 85% :D | 18:00 |
| teotwaki | Seriously, is the idea to attract known good devs back to the platform? | 18:00 |
| teotwaki | If so, send one to qwerty, titan, fanoush. | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | Jebba too | 18:00 |
| vi_ | teotwaki: GREAT IDEA | 18:00 |
| teotwaki | If on the other hand, they're just sending away devices to get rid of them | 18:01 |
| teotwaki | then make it a quick draw | 18:01 |
| vi_ | distribute them to all the legendary devs who have moved on. Then, effectivly NO ONE benefits. | 18:01 |
| teotwaki | how do you know? | 18:01 |
| teotwaki | those guys at least would have the ethics to send it to the next dev down the line if they're not going to do anything with them. The same can't be said about no-names on the mailing list | 18:02 |
| vi_ | Just like he had the ethics to unlock power kernel so pali could contiue development on it? | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | unlock it? | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | Pali just encountered a maemo.org bug, it's not titan's fault | 18:03 |
| vi_ | add maintainer, whatever. | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, could do that | 18:03 |
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| MrPingu | I think the best way to determine who deserves a price is by looking how is the person is contributing in general. Someone who joined in '11 had less time to do a (good) past deed than someone who joined in '10. | 18:08 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, see: http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-flasher/ | 18:11 |
| teotwaki | And for those who joined in 2007? | 18:11 |
| Pali | kernel-power-flasher v50 is now in extras! | 18:11 |
| Pali | promote button today worked! | 18:12 |
| Pali | I do not belive | 18:12 |
| vi_ | Pali: get in my son! | 18:12 |
| Raimu | :) | 18:12 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: you're delirious | 18:12 |
| MrPingu | Pali, Thank you it had quite some time enough votes :D | 18:12 |
| Raimu | The structure of time/space has Altered. | 18:12 |
| merlin1991 | the Space/Time continuum has been broken, ohnoes! | 18:12 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: seems the bug I found was actually a bug in the use of variadic templates in boost, not g++. | 18:13 |
| Pali | also kernel-power-modules http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-modules/ :) | 18:13 |
| teotwaki | though, g++ wasn't being helpful, clang managed to sort it out without issues. | 18:13 |
| Pali | and kernel-power package too :D http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/ | 18:13 |
| MrPingu | Pali, Awesome! | 18:13 |
| * teotwaki resets his beastie boys playlist, and switches onto developing his new call distribution algorithm :) | 18:14 | |
| Pali | X-Fade fixed repository problems now? | 18:14 |
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| vi_ | although I can still crash n900 with KP50 and smart reflex enabled. | 18:14 |
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| Raimu | Pali: What about -settings ? | 18:14 |
| Pali | I clicked on promote button now for -settings | 18:14 |
| Pali | wait about 1 hour to see if it is working | 18:15 |
| Pali | booting is promoted too: http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-bootimg/ | 18:15 |
| Raimu | Now it might be a whole different user report ballpark. | 18:15 |
| Raimu | I mean, extras users might have new things to say about kp50. It's been many version hikes since the last extras kp. | 18:16 |
| Raimu | Pretty cool. | 18:16 |
| vi_ | If I put the system under heavy load AND then watch the '2 headed shark attack' trailer with cutetube AND have SR vdd1 on I get an insta-reboot. | 18:17 |
| vi_ | No vdd1 on and it is ok. | 18:17 |
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| Pali | kernel-power packages are really in Maemo Extras repository, see: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/ | 18:22 |
| Pali | and settings too: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power-settings/ | 18:22 |
| Pali | so now kernel-power v50 with kernel-power-settings 0.14 are in Maemo Extras! | 18:22 |
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| Pali | I should write this day to my diary :D | 18:23 |
| Raimu | vi_: That new compcachin' thread sounds like an elaborate april fools trick considering how promising the settings testing now looks. | 18:24 |
| Raimu | One for the "sounds too good to be true" files, I mean. | 18:24 |
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| vi_ | Raimu: how do you mean | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | vi_: I seem to have missed the point of your argumentation. after all we know SR is broken in hardware | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's why Nokia never enabled it | 18:29 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer51: I was under the impression they never enabled it because they never finished the driver for it. | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah | 18:29 |
| vi_ | but I guess you are now going to tell me how wrong I am? | 18:30 |
| luke-jr | what is SR? | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for all I know SR is merely hw-based | 18:30 |
| Raimu | vi_: Well, it has me drooling for one | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: SmartReflex | 18:30 |
| vi_ | Raimu: compcache was always going to be bikg, we just never figured the right settings to use it. | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: here particularly the automagic dynamic core voltage tuning | 18:30 |
| Raimu | vi_: Yeah, and my experiences with ramz were dismal in the past so I was kind of giving up on that. | 18:31 |
| MrPingu | It works for me 100% allright with dsp profile | 18:31 |
| * luke-jr is pretty sure he's used compcache on N810 and/or N900 | 18:31 | |
| freemangordon | Pali, lets go to the bar and celebrate | 18:31 |
| MrPingu | Only reboots is still with writing/downloading large files | 18:31 |
| vi_ | Raimu: test it yourself and make your own conclusion. For now I am keeping it on to try and find ways to brake my current settings. | 18:32 |
| Raimu | vi_: I will - and thanks for the updates. Keep reporting! | 18:32 |
| freemangordon | Pali, you said you are belever, now i have no option but to join the club :D | 18:32 |
| vi_ | Raimu: dont thank me, thank the guys who made it work. | 18:32 |
| freemangordon | vi_, is your device OC when you have a reboot with SR turned on? | 18:32 |
| vi_ | yes | 18:33 |
| ShadowJK | i just wish there was better prioritization of ramz.. typically my N900 has 128M in swap that's basically never touched.. for ramzswap to be useful, this seldomly used data should sit on flash not in ram, and heavy swapping go to ramzswap.. however, with the backing swap option that seems to be designed for this, the access patterns to flash become so horribly random that flash slows down to like 20kbytes/sec... | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, and maybe undervolted as well ;-) | 18:33 |
| freemangordon | well, increase your DSP voltage then, i've never said SR will be 100% stable on 100% of the devices when there is OC | 18:33 |
| Pali | freemangordon, so now can Nokia release their closed source fremantle parts :D:D:D | 18:33 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, UV does not work when SR is enabled | 18:34 |
| * ShadowJK 's n900 is mostly immune to "reboot during big writes" syndrome | 18:34 | |
| MrPingu | That can be fixed with better i/O settings, though. Your ramzswap settings definitely are tempting to try, vi_ | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | surprise surprise | 18:34 |
| * freemangordon 's n900 is 100% immune to "reboot during big writes" | 18:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: believe it or not, I *never* encountered such reboot | 18:34 |
| vi_ | I think the real test is decompressing easy debian image WHILE torrenting with transmission. | 18:35 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, try to unpack easy debian stuff on the device | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, I did similar stuff | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | like trying to copy 12GB from eMMC to uSD | 18:36 |
| freemangordon | that work everytime if your VM settings are not tweaked | 18:36 |
| freemangordon | nah, it is not the same | 18:36 |
| ShadowJK | Mine isn't, after some amount of uptime, about 3-4 weeks, big writes will result in emmc stalling to 0 writes/minute indefinitely, also seems to stall uSD. Device works as long as everything I do is already in ram or on nand. everything that needs a swapin or pageing from /opt hangs though, and eventually the amount of hung stuff becomes too big for the watchdogs, which reboot device. :) | 18:37 |
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| Pali | now I'd like know, who fixed repository & package interface problem? | 18:37 |
| Pali | X-Fade? or somebody else? | 18:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd like to know who messed up wiki | 18:37 |
| Pali | or is maemo.org self repairing infrastructure? | 18:37 |
| Pali | and also self destructing :D | 18:38 |
| Pali | what is with wiki? | 18:38 |
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| freemangordon | vi_, add a little juice to your DSP using /sys/power/sr_vdd1_dsp_boost (i.e. try with 200, max is 250, default 125) and try again to see if it will reboot | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | layout or CSS fsckd up, not sure if it's exactly wiki. Anyway lately we got complaints about that "maemo BETA" which is supposed to be gone since years afaik. | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I can't find the search field anymore in wiki | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on upper right. It's still there but not showing | 18:41 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, SR has its HW part, but it relies on efuse "parameters" and that seems to be screwed up on n900. Though I can bet it is TI, not Nokia to blame | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure | 18:42 |
| freemangordon | BTW did you try it? | 18:43 |
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| freemangordon | you run KP50 AFAIK | 18:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and my guts feeling tells me the real problem is somewhere in circuit design, regarding buffer capacitors on Vcore, trace impedances, whatnot | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: negative | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: me? KP50? | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | not eunning KP at all? | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | *running | 18:44 |
| MohammadAG | freemangordon, it unpacks and slows down the whole device | 18:44 |
| MohammadAG | but the device keeps running | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | give it some time. do you have swappolube installed? | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:/usr/local/sbin# uname -a | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Linux t900 2.6.28.10power46 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 12 03:11:24 EET 2010 armv7l unknown | 18:45 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, no need to stick with that, KP46 has more bugs that you can imagine | 18:45 |
| freemangordon | trust me (tm) | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the point is t900 is fubar | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | apt refuses to install or deinstall anything | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: :( | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | messed up dependencies | 18:47 |
| Pali | use aptitude | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and it serves me well for testing an occasional hostmode scriptie | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: HAHA | 18:48 |
| Pali | aptitude solved all my dependency problems :D | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I might get the aptitude.deb if only wget was installed on t900 | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | Pali, how do you think, can we upstream my patches for secure PPA API? | 18:48 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer51, you can download aptitude to computer and transfer via usb mass storage mode | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | might be possible | 18:49 |
| Pali | freemangordon, what so you mean under "upstream"? | 18:49 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: I tried 250, insta reboot | 18:49 |
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| freemangordon | vi_, what is DSP frequency? | 18:50 |
| Pali | to upstream kernel 3.x? | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | Pali, yep | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | vi_, does it reboot if not OC | 18:51 |
| Pali | clone some arm/omap git tree or linux-next or linus tree, apply your patch, test if working on n900 and send it to linux-omap | 18:51 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: one second. still booting! | 18:52 |
| freemangordon | Pali, since when 3.x kernel boots on n900? | 18:52 |
| Pali | you can also test it on rescueos/meego kernel (rx51 board files was not very changed after 2.6.35/37) | 18:53 |
| Pali | and rescueos/meego kernel booting fine | 18:53 |
| vi_ | swapoff /dev/ramzswap0 && sleep 1 | 18:53 |
| vi_ | rmmod /ramzswap && sleep 1 | 18:53 |
| vi_ | insmod /lib/modules/current/ramzswap.ko disksize_kb=131072 && sleep 1 | 18:53 |
| vi_ | swapon /dev/ramzswap0 && sleep 1 | 18:53 |
| vi_ | swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 && sleep 1 && swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3 && sleep 1 | 18:53 |
| vi_ | echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_ratio | 18:53 |
| vi_ | echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_background_ratio | 18:53 |
| vi_ | echo 100 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs | 18:53 |
| vi_ | echo 100 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_expire_centisecs | 18:53 |
| vi_ | echo 32 > /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes | 18:53 |
| vi_ | echo 99 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness | 18:53 |
| vi_ | echo 200 > /proc/sys/vm/vfs_cache_pressure | 18:53 |
| vi_ | echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/page-cluster | 18:53 |
| vi_ | echo 1024 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests | 18:53 |
| vi_ | echo 1024 > /sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests | 18:54 |
| vi_ | echo 0 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/iosched/slice_idle | 18:54 |
| vi_ | echo 0 > /sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/iosched/slice_idle | 18:54 |
| vi_ | echo 32 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/iosched/quantum | 18:54 |
| vi_ | echo 32 > /sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/iosched/quantum | 18:54 |
| vi_ | echo 80 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/iosched/fifo_expire_sync | 18:54 |
| Raimu | ... | 18:54 |
| vi_ | echo 80 > /sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/iosched/fifo_expire_sync | 18:54 |
| vi_ | echo 180 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/iosched/fifo_expire_async | 18:54 |
| vi_ | shit | 18:54 |
| vi_ | sorry | 18:54 |
| vi_ | wrong xterm | 18:54 |
| Pali | NIN101, what kernel is used for rescueos? | 18:55 |
| freemangordon | Pali, forward-port sould be a piece of cake, i made those board-specific, my question was more general. i.e. do you think it will be approved (by whoever approves that shit, Lunus?) for upstreaming | 18:55 |
| freemangordon | *Linus | 18:55 |
| NIN101 | 2.6.37 from meego summer edition, with a few different kernel options | 18:55 |
| Pali | NIN101, ok | 18:56 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, I think this could be upstreamed | 18:56 |
| Pali | you only needs to write proper patch | 18:56 |
| freemangordon | BTW I have enough eggs in my basket right now. So playing with 3.x will have to wait | 18:57 |
| Pali | ok | 18:58 |
| freemangordon | Pali, but if you (or whoever reads that) feels like he can do it, I am all for it. | 18:58 |
| freemangordon | i.e. upstreaming the secure PPA API for n900 | 18:59 |
| Pali | I'm doing on upstreaming bq2415x_charger driver and rx51 u-boot and u-boot bootmenu | 18:59 |
| Pali | its lot | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | Pali, how do you test your patches? | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | for kernel | 19:00 |
| Pali | bq2415x driver I'm testing on 2.6.28 | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | and that could be upstreamed? | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | wow | 19:00 |
| Pali | power supply interface was not changed | 19:00 |
| Pali | only some glue for isp and board code needs to be tested on something higher that 2.6.28 | 19:01 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, woo, download stoppde | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | stopped is bad, finished is good | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: Pali: I think sending a patch to LKML is not the automatic approval for that patch to go upstream - at least it shouldn't | 19:38 |
| Pali | yes | 19:39 |
| Pali | send it as RFC | 19:39 |
| Pali | you get opinions of other developers about your patch | 19:40 |
| Pali | also what is needed to change for upstreaming... | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, and in this case these opinions might well be "please separate it to decent single patchsets for each functional entity, and we'll look at it again maybe" | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you can't hope to send a pile'o'patches without proper explanation in clear text in the first of the set of mails, and just dealing with one particular aspect in each patchset | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I've seen some guys doing this kind of upstreaming effort for openmoko kernel | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | took like 6 months | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | "fulltime" | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and AIUI our pretty nice lis302dl driver still isn't upstream, as there's some crappy joystick handler kernel module of the same name already | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | same for (!!) bq27k.ko | 19:46 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, you'd better look at the patches before concluding "pile'o'patches" :). https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/kernel-cssu/commit/ce27033560ddf253f25738513bcdab5f059440c6 | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | though for other reasons afaik | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not concluding | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just handwaving | 19:46 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, BTW if you have knowledge/will I will be glad to have your helping hand on that. | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: btw looking at that git commit I don't see *any* of the mandatory commenting and separating I mentioned sabove | 19:48 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, the commit is in CSSU repo, hopefully kernel.org guys still does not approve the commits there | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, exactly, it stopped | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | The rootstrap is bitch to download :/ | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | especially when you had over 60% downloaded and need to start over :/ | 19:50 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: and it is separated, actually the whole patch is in 2 commits, separated, the one I posted is not separateable | 19:51 |
| Pali | please help me with collecting atags for u-boot: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84560 | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: I just meant each patchset on LKML et all needs a header like http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.network/153680 | 19:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | explaining what the whole thing does, etc | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you won't get any review without such header | 19:54 |
| freemangordon | hmm, never seen stuff like that on LKML | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | except of course the comment "please read patch howto" | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: you may get away without such header for mere bugfix patches | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and even then you need a referrence to the ticket, or alternatively an explanation of the bug it's supposed to fix | 19:55 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, thanks for the info, anyway I won't have time to go through this anytime soon | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's what I thought | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a pity | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's a friggin PITA to upstream a huge batch of aged patches | 19:57 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, we are talking about 100-200 lines of board specific code. BTW the fact that it fixes upstreamed errata workaround could be used to ease the process | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | good point | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and I have to confess I missed the start of your chat with pali | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so I don't know what's the patch(es) in question | 19:59 |
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| freemangordon | yeah, as usual you don't read what I write :P | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it sounded like you were going to upstream KP50 | 19:59 |
| freemangordon | WHAT? | 19:59 |
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| freemangordon | nooo waaay | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol, yeah | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | is it about your thumb thing? | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | yep | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | good move to upstream it, so it might get proper review | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | but it actually eaxposes PPA calls to kernel | 20:00 |
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| freemangordon | well, might think to try to upstream it when there is nothing more interesting to do :D | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'll gladly review your mail to LKML before you send it, so we might avoid some things better not to do so the masters up there don't feel annoyed | 20:02 |
| freemangordon | ok, thanks | 20:02 |
| freemangordon | now I just have to find someone to write the mail, i'll gladly send it to you for a review :D | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe | 20:02 |
| cehteh | hihi | 20:02 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 idly wonders what those 11 (living) temperature values in system/sensors/thinkpad-isa-0000 might be | 20:07 | |
| MohammadAG | so, two ways to have status menu plugins on harmattan | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | 1) Patch systemui and incept the package, hopefully this works | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually only 9, two are from system/sensors/acpitz-virtual/processor* | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, talking about temperature: What was the correct sensor i have to read to get the battery temperature. I am going to finish libbmeipc these days | 20:08 |
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| MohammadAG | 2) Find out how systemui is started, patch libqtcore4.so or whatever it's called, so QRegExp(QString) returns QRegExp() and then LD_PRELOAD the library | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err, ACD4 or sth | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ADC4 | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | twl5030_adc | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | from /dev/twl4030-adc | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | ok | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | do it needs conversion? | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for sure | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nobody knows which | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | except bme and Nokia | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-P | 20:10 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 20:10 |
| MohammadAG | temperature? | 20:10 |
| freemangordon | yep | 20:11 |
| MohammadAG | you could read the value and measure the approximate real temperature and try to find a pattern | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | your best bet is to heat or cool the battery incl whole device to maybe 0°C and 40°C | 20:11 |
| MohammadAG | I doubt they're multiplying by device IMEI, for example :p | 20:11 |
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| MohammadAG | OH FUCK | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then insert battery into device, and do a readout after 60S | 20:11 |
| MohammadAG | he was here | 20:11 |
| freemangordon | damn | 20:11 |
| freemangordon | I missed him too | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | HUH | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ? | 20:12 |
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| freemangordon | javispedro | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dang | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, any clue what type of sensor is that? | 20:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 hopes for next wintertime to see javispedro around more often | 20:12 | |
| MohammadAG | wish infobot had a $USER is here, $USER_WHO_NEEDS_$USER ping | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: NTC | 20:13 |
| freemangordon | because we can only hope for a linear readout | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alas NTC are each a bit different | 20:13 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, CAL? | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and usually that readout won't be linear | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah, one type differs from next one | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | in one build/batch they are quite identical | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so get a proper curve with 3 or 4 support points, then get coefficients for a polynom | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | done | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | but there should be calibration values stored somewhere. So my question was "are those values stored in CAL" | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think it must be 2nd or max 3rd order polynom | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no, I guess those are hardcoded | 20:15 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, I know the theory :) | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | but I am afraid i have to RE a part of BME too | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | to get those | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah, get your support points from real world tests like suggested by MohammadAGand me | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | -10°C, 15°C, 40°C, 55°C | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | hmm. BME definitely interacts with CAL | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Nokia might have the data to include a PID correction even, to give faster accurate readouts, but we probably don't really need that | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yes, it does | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but I guess for some battery status shite | 20:19 |
| freemangordon | nah, PID correction wouldn't make sense, the process of heating is not so fast | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's a HUGE number of BME records in CAL | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | usually not that fast, but if *ever* it is, you damn better hit the big red buttton FAST | 20:21 |
| freemangordon | :D | 20:21 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | since Nokia is chicken with their batteries since they encountered that mega-desaster... | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I *guess* they back when decided to outtsource BME, incl all liability | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | which in turn might be main reason they *cannot* disclose the bme source | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | "listen hitachi, we're going to buy 20 million batteries from you. It's your call to tell what hw requirements those cells have for mainenance circuitry, and it's up to you to provide software and take all responsibility" | 20:26 |
| ShadowJK | My N810 is acting up :( | 20:26 |
| * ShadowJK suspects emmc or, more likely, the uSD is dying | 20:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well that's at least an easy one to trage | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | triage* | 20:27 |
| ShadowJK | well | 20:27 |
| ShadowJK | You know, the performance of all the original genuine BP-5L I've ha in N810 and N800 has been abysmal. The charging system abuses the batteries to death, or then they're pretty low quality to start with | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | both I guess | 20:29 |
| ShadowJK | BL-5J did much better in N900 over a 2 year period | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's LiIon, not LiPo, no? | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bl-5j that is | 20:30 |
| ShadowJK | same thing | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not exactly | 20:30 |
| ShadowJK | if it's not a cylindrical pressure vessel: LiPo | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | LiPo are of higher energy density but flimsy quality | 20:31 |
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| ShadowJK | I doubt whether regular Li-Ion has ever been used in any cellphone | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I always thought there are both LiIon and LiPo in flat cells | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, my Y2000 6210 battery definitely been no LiPo but plain LiIon | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lasted at least 9 years of daily usage | 20:33 |
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| ShadowJK | The big difference in energy density comes from Li-Po not needing metal container and safety valve, the "Polymer" bit keeps it together so you can pack it a pouch | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | a thin lightweight pouch | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GTA02 smart battery been with valve and vessel | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | When you remove the structural bits, I'm pretty sure regular Li-Ion has greater energy density | 20:35 |
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| ShadowJK | You can see it with Li-Ion as you go down in size from 18650 to like 14500 size, and compare energy density vs nimh in same formfactor | 20:35 |
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| ShadowJK | I suspect Marketing has built up li-Po as some sort of magical thing | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yup | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway afaik N8x0 battery been LiPo while N900 has LiIon again | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | either me or Nokia product pages might be wrong | 20:38 |
| ivgalvez | Oh, I have a pile of spam to process | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the downside of popularity? | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway... | 20:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 waves | 20:41 | |
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| ShadowJK | I'm pretty sure both are LiPo :P | 20:47 |
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| Sicelo | talking about batteries.. my bme seems to have gone mad... giving that sick sound when bq27200 says there's still 35% power left. | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | I miss that sick sound | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | ever since I installed my rewritten status battery plugin it's gone, (since I never implemented sound playback) | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: thaqt doesn't mean a thing | 21:02 |
| Sicelo | lulz | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: bq27200 and bme just work differently | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bq27k actually integrates the mAh drained from battery, while bme alarm is absed on voltage of cell | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | based* | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | one of either is BS? :P | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no, they just mean different properties of cell | 21:04 |
| ShadowJK | the bme warning is more based on the point at which cell no longer could maintain sufficient voltage under some arbitrary maximum load | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | while bq27 might be right there are 35% of 1300mAh left for slow drain, bme is right in voltage has dropped below a certain value for >30s or sth (threshold 3520mV or sth) | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | If you do learning cycles under heavy load (500mA or more), the bq27 capacity will probably step down a bit | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | quite a bit, yeah | 21:06 |
| ShadowJK | Except for my current battery | 21:09 |
| Sicelo | hmm, thanks for info. i'll do a proper learning cycle on the next run.. | 21:09 |
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| Raimu | MohammadAG: What is this rewritten status battery plugin of yours? | 21:09 |
| ShadowJK | once it hits 3248mV, even with screen off there's just seconds before it collapses to shutdown point | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | it's in CSSU repos | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | git repos* | 21:09 |
| ShadowJK | also charges about an hour faster than the old worn BL-5J | 21:10 |
| Sicelo | i have never been able to go down to 3300mV with bme running.. always shuts down long before | 21:10 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 21:11 |
| * ShadowJK doesn't use bme | 21:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-D | 21:11 |
| Sicelo | :) | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | chage21.sh FTW | 21:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 idly wonders what the 21 means | 21:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 42 / 2 ? | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | it's like takes in movies | 21:12 |
| Raimu | I was guessing script revision number. :P | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | LOL | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | the number of N900s sacrificed in the process of making the script | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | second branch, second version | 21:12 |
| Sicelo | you don't keep bme stopped, do you? | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | I do | 21:13 |
| Sicelo | all the time? | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK probably not started bme since 2 years | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-P | 21:13 |
| Sicelo | wow! | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah wow | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's the quality of our silly little hacks | 21:13 |
| ShadowJK | Actually when I migrated from old modem-dead N900 to new I had bme started for usb-ethernet | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aaah I see | 21:14 |
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| Raimu | BME is mainly required by some SUPER BATTERY DETECTOR apps, autoshutdown and stock Hildon battery status, right? | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I recently downloadede charge21 to IroN900 to charge from a batterypack with missing D+- short | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | (charge* does all sorta of random hacks to push usb as far into shutdown as possible) | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Raimu: yup | 21:15 |
| Raimu | It also handles charging, but that's it? | 21:15 |
| MohammadAG | woooo | 21:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | wooooosh | 21:16 |
| ShadowJK | Running without bme would probably be bad if you're in the habbit of often letting your N900 run empty | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: | 21:16 |
| ShadowJK | My spare N900 runs with bme enabled, because I don't always remember to plug it in every week | 21:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | also has the unconvenient property of needing a tiny bit of care | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | though it should be fine for always-on-charger devices | 21:17 |
| Raimu | Is the problem with letting the battery run empty without BME in that the battery would then run out without BME kicking in with a graceful shutdown? | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I''m not all ure if ShadowJK dealt with that | 21:17 |
| ShadowJK | Raimu; yeah | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (that = bq27k restarting charging on hitting that magic threshold) | 21:18 |
| ShadowJK | With my old BL-5J, the restart threshold was about 2 seconds after full charge | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | LOLWUT? | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | who said Harmattan was crap | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | http://i48.tinypic.com/15i2fpv.jpg | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | break aegis in one way or another, and have fun | 21:19 |
| ShadowJK | this japod however, maintains voltage above 4130 or wherever the rechfge threshold is, for hours in idle | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the way it's supposed to be, yeah | 21:20 |
| Estel_ | ouh | 21:20 |
| Estel_ | Today is a "happened" day, or what? | 21:20 |
| Estel_ | Pali, X-Fade fixed KP after mne bugging him, afaik | 21:20 |
| Estel_ | of course I mean rpomotion | 21:20 |
| Estel_ | or any other motion ;0 | 21:21 |
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| Estel_ | now, as per SR - DocScrutinizer, you're light years away, freemangordon basically fixed calibration values for SR during last ice age | 21:21 |
| Raimu | Here we go again. | 21:21 |
| Estel_ | it's 100% stable for up to 900 mhz, sometimes it just need boosting voltage via sysfs, but only in rare cases | 21:22 |
| Estel_ | some fools are using it up to 1000 mhz | 21:22 |
| Pali | Estel_, kp is fixed :) | 21:22 |
| Estel_ | during contest "how to try egg on Yiour handheld" | 21:22 |
| Estel_ | Pali, i know :) | 21:22 |
| Estel_ | just red through backscroll | 21:22 |
| Estel_ | You guys are talking so much, that my family is going to kill me for reading all of it | 21:22 |
| Estel_ | ;0 | 21:22 |
| Raimu | Estel: But really, there isn't calibration at all for 1Ghz, is there. | 21:22 |
| Estel_ | I'm glad Council was able to help :D (adveristment, product placement) | 21:23 |
| Estel_ | Raimu, of course there isn';t | 21:23 |
| Estel_ | those fool are running 1000 mhz on values for 900 mhz | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: could you please translate to a scientific or even Electronics Engineer speaking? | 21:23 |
| Estel_ | just loike before, some guys were using 805 mhz with values for 600 mhz | 21:23 |
| Raimu | Estel: Yeah, figured it just defaults to the last defined one. | 21:23 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, unfortunately, no, ask freemangordon, he implemented it | 21:23 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, basically problem was, that it was calibrated only for some certain speed, i.e. 600 mhz, so for 250 it was too high (watse of energy) and for >805 mhz too low, usually | 21:24 |
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| Estel_ | = instability oir instant reboot | 21:24 |
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| Estel_ | Now, it's properly calibrated for every step of frequency, and it's giving REAL benefits in bnattery | 21:24 |
| Estel_ | life | 21:24 |
| Estel_ | most people consider it at 1/3, if You filter out placebo ones that talk about twice. well, it depend son usage patterns | 21:25 |
| Estel_ | for technical details, GTF... erm, I mean go to ask Freemangordon | 21:25 |
| Estel_ | Pali, I also can't belive it worked so fast :D | 21:26 |
| Estel_ | You see, new council rox ;P (joking) | 21:26 |
| Estel_ | (or not ;) ) | 21:26 |
| Pali | it was really so fast :D it tooks one year :D | 21:26 |
| Pali | freemangordon, see: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/include/linux/i2c/twl4030-madc.h | 21:26 |
| Pali | #define TWL4030_MADC_BTEMP TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN1 | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | ~ $ rm /usr/lib/meegotouch/applicationextensions/libstatusindicatormenu-brightn | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | ess.so | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | rm: can't remove '/usr/lib/meegotouch/applicationextensions/libstatusindicatormenu-brightness.so': Permission denied | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | ~ $ ls -l /usr/lib/meegotouch/applicationextensions/libstatusindicatormenu-brig | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | htness.so | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | -rwxr-xr-x 1 user users 478798 May 28 21:12 /usr/lib/meegotouch/applicationextensions/libstatusindicatormenu-brightness.so | 21:27 |
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| MohammadAG | I don't get it | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: honestly there's no way community can "properly calibrate" VCore | 21:28 |
| Estel_ | AIUI SR uses some pre-defined values | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as a basic immutable fact CPU needs MORE voltage for higher speed. not less | 21:29 |
| Estel_ | of something ;P I said that, better ask freemangordon | 21:29 |
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| Estel_ | not related, I think we're not udnerstanding each other due to my non-tech-engineer work | 21:29 |
| Estel_ | s/work/language/ | 21:29 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: not related, I think we're not udnerstanding each other due to my non-tech-engineer language | 21:29 |
| Estel_ | most important think for me is that it works, and works well for ages :P | 21:29 |
| Estel_ | for more tech savyy discussion, ask freemangordon | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ok, I hope you're publishing your advertising joy always with that disclaimer | 21:30 |
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| MrPingu | Estel_ you are not the only one who thinks it works well ^^ | 21:32 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, run nokia application on n900: sudo bsi-read it show BSI and battery level. BSI is TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN4 and battery level is TWL4030_MADC_VBAT | 21:33 |
| Pali | #define TWL4030_MADC_VBAT TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN12 | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as any other approach was more the notorious chinese way: just cut out components until device fails. If it fails remember last component cut out as mandatory, and redo. If you don't find any more single component to cut out without instant fail, you got optimal design -> go mass production | 21:33 |
| freemangordon | pali, thanks a lot, now, please put that somewhere (or mail it to me), please, so I can use it as a reference when I am back to libbmeipc | 21:34 |
| Pali | freemangordon, also see my source code of getbootstate and bsi-read on https://code.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_getbootstate | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: ADCIN12 ??? | 21:34 |
| Pali | ok | 21:34 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer51, yes | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dang | 21:35 |
| Pali | I disassebled that code | 21:35 |
| freemangordon | TBH I think someone should gather all that info somewhere | 21:35 |
| freemangordon | Pali, BSI? | 21:35 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer51, see source code http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_getbootstate/view/head:/bsi-read.c | 21:35 |
| slonopotamus | what a good evening for some debian-related ranting... | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: you're sure that's not just another register57 as we've seen in bme for bq27200? | 21:35 |
| Pali | BSI = battery size indicator | 21:35 |
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| freemangordon | ok | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OOOH VBAT | 21:36 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer51, no idea, but it outputs data | 21:36 |
| freemangordon | Pali, but, but, is that capacity? | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah ADCIN12 might be one of the 'internal' ADC channels directly connected to VBAT | 21:36 |
| Pali | is should be design capacity in some form (no idea how to convert it to mAh) | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | AAAH [20:26:58] <Pali> #define TWL4030_MADC_BTEMP TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN1 | 21:37 |
| freemangordon | anyway, don't have time right now, have a nice evening gentlemen, I am afk | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's more like it | 21:37 |
| Estel_ | see ya freemangordon | 21:37 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I jsut got d'ced and c'ed again, so i missed aprt of discussion but... | 21:38 |
| Estel_ | Frankly, if You | 21:38 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer51 for converting raw battery level use this: ((-2145384445)*level*6000) >> 32 + level*6000 - ((level*6000) >> 31) | 21:38 |
| Estel_ | 're using kp46, it's no surprise to me, that You think KP is not compatible | 21:38 |
| Pali | this is from disassembled arm nokia binary | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's voltage then? | 21:38 |
| Estel_ | basically, you're missing all work by Pali and freemangordon, and You're using plain titan's version | 21:38 |
| Pali | maybe, non raw value is about 3618 | 21:39 |
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| Pali | and if I'm good in calculus "((-2145384445)*level*6000) >> 32 + level*6000 - ((level*6000) >> 31)" could be equal to "level * 3003 / 512" | 21:40 |
| Pali | correct me if not :D | 21:40 |
| Estel_ | You do what You want, but I storngly encourage to use kp in it's all kp50 greatness ;) | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: I don't need to use *any* version of KP to listen to reports from users, to read patches, to see rationales given | 21:40 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, you're trying to tell me that You read all patches? | 21:40 |
| Estel_ | you had no idea about any work re SR, so I storngly doubt that | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for sure more tha you do | 21:41 |
| Estel_ | s/storngly/strongly/ | 21:41 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: you had no idea about any work re SR, so I strongly doubt that | 21:41 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer51, can you run sudo bsi-read on your n900 and write your values? | 21:41 |
| Estel_ | for sure, but it's argument at persona ;) | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure | 21:41 |
| Estel_ | aka sophism | 21:41 |
| Pali | /sbin/bsi-read | 21:41 |
| Estel_ | It's quite funny that you're criticizing so many parts of it without even trying it Yourself. it seems, that doing so, you miss bigger picture. After all, you *don't* real all patches, re Sr discussion. | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:/usr/local/sbin# bsi-read | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | raw BSI ADC reading: 468 | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | BSI: 1010 | 21:42 |
| Estel_ | anyway, i'm not going to go through it again :D | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | raw battery level: 688 | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | battery level: 4035 | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:/usr/local/sbin# | 21:42 |
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| Pali | so "battery level" is battery voltage? | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: my approach id quite different from the generally used "WFM \o/" | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | WFM = ? | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 4035 are mV VBAT | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~wfm | 21:44 |
| infobot | i guess wfm is (Wired For Management Baseline) This is an Intel hardware specification that is designed to allow for compliance with easier management of desktop PCs in a networked environment. The specification calls for computers to be compatible with a pre-boot protocol that can be used to update the system or perform other management options. Also, the computer must be compatible with network/desktop management applications.. Works For Me | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~wtf wfm | 21:44 |
| infobot | WFM: works for me | 21:44 |
| slonopotamus | ~wtf wtf (yeah, a bit recursive) | 21:45 |
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| infobot | usage: wtf <foo>. | 21:45 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, of course, but in current situation You're neither che4cking if it WFM, or all patches. so you're making general statements, basing them on either outdated concern 9re kp46 You're using) or other changes out of context. | 21:45 |
| Estel_ | but it's your personal choice, of course | 21:45 |
| Estel_ | personally, i don't have any problem with it ;) | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not surprised though, as most people deduce from their own situation to that of others all the time | 21:46 |
| Estel_ | just need to remember, that when You make general statements like "I said that kernel-power is not compatible", you mean kp46, in fact. | 21:46 |
| Estel_ | lokk@ result of powertop thing, from the very beginning You assumed it's KP fault, while, after investigation, it turned out to be quite otherwise | 21:47 |
| Estel_ | although, I feel we're heading into another ideological discussion, which is not what I feel fancy, so i'll end it here. | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: you're again starting to assume and declare a fact your very personal assumptions about what and how *I* do | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I don't like that | 21:47 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer51, and what exactly is BSI value (ADCIN4)? | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Battery Size Indicator | 21:48 |
| Estel_ | I'm more a practical guy, so I rather thing about effects, not "mean/not mean" ;) still, i think your battery discussion is more interesting | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 3rd pin of battery | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: ^^^ | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | obviously my bsi-read thinks the battery has a resistor there that means "battery 1100mAh" | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | err 1010 | 21:49 |
| Pali | ok | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the fun part in all this is: in former times batteries had a NTC there, and mugen still have | 21:51 |
| Sicelo | where's this bsi-read .. where can i get it? | 21:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | means your bsi-read's notion about battery size will change with battery temperature | 21:51 |
| Pali | Sicelo /sbin/bsi-read | 21:53 |
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| Pali | it is part of Maemo5 core system | 21:53 |
| Pali | closed source nokia binary | 21:53 |
| Pali | my open source code is here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_getbootstate/view/head:/bsi-read.c | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: if you're using 'root' rather than 'sudo gainroot', then you don't even have to search | 21:54 |
| Sicelo | nice :) | 21:54 |
| MrPingu | Pali, need that dumpatag programm need to be compiled? | 21:54 |
| Pali | MrPingu, yes | 21:54 |
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| MrPingu | Then you will have to wait some days, sorry | 21:54 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, and abot your hardware expertise - what do You think about concept of using LiIon inside N900's? | 21:56 |
| Estel_ | I mean differences in voltage. It's small, no problem with it, I suppose? | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eh? | 21:56 |
| Estel_ | any practical effects on device's operations? | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what else than LiIon would you want to use? | 21:56 |
| Estel_ | I'm building 2x 18650's for aN900 battery | 21:56 |
| vi__ | Estel_: LiION IS in n900... | 21:56 |
| Estel_ | LiIon vs LiPo | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh, no difference | 21:57 |
| Estel_ | little lower amx voltage | 21:57 |
| Estel_ | and little lover down limit | 21:57 |
| Estel_ | thats what I though, but I wondered if BMe should be confused by always less max vopltage than expected? | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 21:57 |
| Estel_ | just wnated to ensure it ;) | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I still think BL-5J *is* LiIon | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway chargers make no difference between the both | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: I honestly hope you connect those 2 pcs 16450 in *parallel*, not in series ;-P | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and I hope you are probing for their respective voltages to be identical before doing so | 21:59 |
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| Estel_ | of course :p | 22:00 |
| Estel_ | using same age batteries form same serries | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the bq27k will freak out, but so what | 22:00 |
| Estel_ | anyway, good joke about parallel and series :p | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | don't ask ;-D | 22:01 |
| Estel_ | won't freak, i'll calibrate it to properly detect those 6000 mAh capacity | 22:01 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer51: you're killing all fun | 22:01 |
| vi__ | bl-5j IS LiIon. | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: I dunno if it even can go that far | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (4Ah) | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err 6 | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for sure it will need several learning cyclres for that | 22:02 |
| Estel_ | many learning cycles :P | 22:02 |
| Estel_ | vi_, bl-5j is LiPo | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as adjustment of the capacity as learnt is limited to +-1//8 | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: says who? | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I seem to recall N900 product webpage mentioned LiIon battery, while N800 page said LiPo | 22:04 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, all characteristics semm LiPo'ish | 22:05 |
| Estel_ | not to mean what is written on it ;p | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | errr, which ones? | 22:06 |
| Estel_ | 3.7 average voltage. AFAIk, LiIons have 3.6 | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 22:06 |
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| Estel_ | so, were it LiFe's? | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | depends on cell chemistry, but that's not related to LiPo vs LiIon | 22:07 |
| Estel_ | udnerstood | 22:07 |
| Estel_ | understood* | 22:07 |
| Estel_ | well, even better, then | 22:07 |
| Estel_ | 6000 mah capacity is going to be overkill. Caliubrating bq2 for it too :p | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | You know, I haven't gotten any threats of violence over the internet in a while. | 22:08 |
| Raimu | Life getting boring? | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, a little. | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | There were some good ones back in the day | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I should've archived them. | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | whatever, BL-5J writing says "LiIon", while on BP-4L they say "rechargeable Li-Polymer" | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | There was one guy on the forums who accused Texrat and me of being willing to go fight in Afghanistan for Nokia. | 22:11 |
| Sicelo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32206 .. looks like vi__ and DocScrutinizer51 are right | 22:11 |
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| Raimu | GeneralAntilles: That... that makes no sense. | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I also thought so at the time. | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was a long rant, too. | 22:13 |
| Sicelo | also, http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/batteries/nokia-battery-bl-5j | 22:14 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, vi_ Sicelo, lol, i always though we're using LiPo's. You busted a myth! :P | 22:17 |
| Sicelo | FUD, lol. j/k | 22:17 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, now we're waiting until someone promises on mailing list, that he is going to fight in Afghanistan for nokia if we give him N950 ;) | 22:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Already got one, thanks! :P | 22:18 |
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| MrPingu | At first I thought LiPo meant lithium-polonomium (was two years ago) :P | 22:26 |
| MrPingu | Nuclear powered batteries ftw :) | 22:27 |
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| jaska | Li6D | 22:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I booted the spare N810 which I just picked the BP-4L from, found it saying "battery almost empty" and decided to recharge. 3rd reboot now, out of nothing | 22:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | in <30min | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's definitely sth fishy with bme on diablo, with aged batteries | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FSCK! another reboot | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | reboot | 22:34 |
| Raimu | :/ | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | feels like a slow bootloop :-/ | 22:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 suspects friggin RSS-reader that was terribly busy to scroll thru 2 years of dunnowhat, plus WLAN WPA | 22:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | disabled both | 22:38 |
| Raimu | Ahaha. | 22:38 |
| Raimu | That would make sense. | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | well, no reboot since... 10min \o/ | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd think diablo missed a few RT-linux extensions | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and since N810 charger circuitry been a really nasty exclusively sw-controlled abomination, that's no surprise it reboots when sth is a bit busy during device charging | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | plus I suspect wlan since long to be nasty | 22:48 |
| vi__ | brb, going to watch iron sky. | 22:50 |
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| befr0d | iron man | 22:58 |
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| juozapas | hi | 23:19 |
| juozapas | how to get or convert columbus (gps navigation toolkit) to gpx format ? | 23:20 |
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| agitata | ciao | 23:32 |
| agitata | darksin | 23:32 |
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| MrPingu | Pali, posted atags info on TMO ;) | 23:33 |
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| Pali | thanks! | 23:34 |
| Sicelo | you're missing HW Revision MrPingu ;) | 23:35 |
| MrPingu | Should I edit, or can you remember from here? It's 2101 ;) | 23:36 |
| MrPingu | No, I know why I haven't included them, they are at the end of dumpatag log ;) | 23:37 |
| MrPingu | Under hw-build | 23:37 |
| Sicelo | ah, indeed ;) | 23:38 |
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| Sicelo | i had already edited mine (qhubekela) | 23:39 |
| MrPingu | I edited mine too now, just in case | 23:39 |
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| merlin1991 | ok added mine now :) | 23:47 |
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| Raimu | Wow, a solution to our n900 low memory problems! http://downloadmoreram.co.uk/ | 23:51 |
| Raimu | It uses even the same engine, dubbed "Placebo", as many of n900's native tweaking apps! | 23:51 |
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| MrPingu | sure! Speedpatch FINAL :D | 23:54 |
| Raimu | (Honestly though, some of those messages you get from clicking that big friendly button are hilarious.) | 23:55 |
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