IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-05-27

Estel_AAAAARGH00:07
Estel_it seems, that command responsible for making device unbootable was00:07
Estel_blkid -g00:07
Estel_WTF I ask, wtf?00:07
Estel_without it, it works (although, defeats the purpose)00:07
Estel_why the hellish hell blkid -g make device unbootable?!00:08
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Estel_DocScrutinizer, ping00:14
Estel_DocScrutinizer51, ping00:14
Estel_could anyone tell me any possible reason why simple command:00:16
Estel_blkid -g00:16
Estel_put in rcS-late, just before enabling swap, worked for few days flawlessly...00:17
Estel_although now, beyong any doubt, make whole rcS-late go apeshit and device staying before 5 dots forever?00:17
Estel_it's driving me insane00:17
cehtehmhm00:19
cehtehEstel_: you made this re-swap thingy?00:19
Estel_yea, few days ago00:19
Estel_it's working fine for everyone00:19
cehtehnope not for me :)00:19
Estel_but ijh my device, blkid -g part made it unbootable00:19
Estel_hm?00:19
Estel_wewhat doesn't work for You there?00:20
cehtehmy 2nd swap is a swapfile not a blockdevice00:20
Estel_I see.00:20
cehtehanyways i was thinking about rewriting it for me00:20
Estel_well, it wasn't intended to work with swapfiles00:20
Estel_but00:20
cehtehyou missed the dependency on sysstat too00:20
Estel_if Yuo manage to make it compatible with both, surely send a patch00:20
cehtehis there a git somewhere?00:21
Estel_honestly, it's dependency on busybox-power00:21
Estel_as systat is in non-default repo00:21
cehtehits in tools00:21
Estel_but, someone already suggested way of collecting those data, that doesn't involve iostat00:21
Estel_unfortunelly, no git yet00:21
cehtehbut it didnt installed busybox-power for me yesterday either just brole00:21
cehtehbroke00:21
Estel_it was my first package  that amde it into repo00:21
cehtehok00:22
Estel_for sure i'll try to use way that doesn't require busybox-power00:22
cehtehbusybox power has also a swapon which supports swap priorities?00:22
Estel_afaik yes00:22
Estel_busybox power has everything like it *should* look in busybox00:22
Estel_= upstream version (in practice) + all tools that should come with busybox00:22
cehtehyou can read the stuff systat gives you plainly from /proc or /sys .. its just some more fiddeleing00:22
Estel_yea00:23
cehtehthat could make this dependency opsolete00:23
cehtehwell i like the idea to measure the write traffic .. but wont it be enough to measure it on the primary device and if expired recycle both swaps00:23
cehtehand then perhaps have both swaps at the same priority (long time ago i tested that i should test that again)00:24
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Estel_no, for sure not.00:24
Estel_first of all, having swap in eMMC enabled decreases performance00:24
cehtehif swaps have the same pri then the kernel distributes the load on them (i have a slow µSD card btw)00:24
Estel_no matter if it's part of swap pair, or 32754355 swap devices qworking paralelly00:25
Estel_yea, in theory00:25
Estel_in practice, flash based RAId 0 isn't good idea ;)00:25
Estel_and, it collides with request from optfs00:25
cehtehyes i know my tests 2 years ago wherent good00:25
cehtehi hoped that changed meanwhile00:25
Estel_optfs on eMMC also require constant access, and flash media doens't handle colliding request very well00:25
Estel_swap on even slowest microSd is still better performance-wise00:26
cehteha shame that compcache/zram is broken too :/00:26
Estel_in fact I've no idea why ramzswap doesn't give us benefits00:26
cehtehi have a lot data on microsd (formatted as ext4)00:26
cehtehso there is quite some load on it .. especially maps for monav ..00:26
Estel_I see.00:27
Estel_Well, best way is to have one medium "static" and put swap there00:27
ShadowJKkernel has bug with swapfiles on vfat atleast00:28
Estel_if You have microSd good enough and reliable, You can put optfs there00:28
Estel_but honestly00:28
Estel_i would mvoe monav things to emmc00:28
Estel_remember, that swap on emmc wear it out, and it's non-replaceable medium00:28
Estel_microSd's are cheap and replaceable00:28
Estel_ShadowJK, do you have idea why00:28
Estel_blkid -g00:28
Estel_as aprt of rcS-late00:28
cehtehyes .. but its a squashfs bigger than 2GB :)00:28
Estel_= unbootable device?00:28
ShadowJKwhen does emmc get mounted00:29
ShadowJKand when does emmc driver get loaded? :)00:29
* ShadowJK bets it's related00:29
cehtehand on the other hand   laptop_mode = 600 ... gives quite some good avoidance for writes00:29
Estel_ShadowJK, but blkid does have anything to do with eMMC? 0_o00:29
ShadowJKoh?00:29
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Estel_cehteh, it's a suicude, professional one00:29
cehteheither way .. i customized my device a bit so i cant complain that it is incompatible with some stock packages00:29
Estel_laptopm mode 600? I wouldn't want to be in Your skin, after You hit any serious need for writing swaps00:30
cehtehthere is no much write load on my emmc too00:30
Estel_+ using file as swap is always slower00:30
ShadowJKit's not00:30
cehtehit isnt since ages00:30
Estel_sounds quite like a bit of masochism performance wise00:30
Estel_ok, sorry00:30
cehtehin 2.2 kernels or so it was00:30
ShadowJKBut if you have a swap partition you can be sure of the alignment00:31
Estel_I always though onj our flash media it is.00:31
cehtehwell currently i dont use it either00:31
Estel_acknowledged00:31
cehtehonly using the stock swap partition00:31
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Estel_poor is Your eMMC :)00:31
ShadowJKBasically it asks where the blocks belonging to that file is, and uses block level access bypassing the filesystem00:31
cehtehthe write load is not *that* much from swap ..00:32
cehteheven if you write a fee hundred MB per day (which is prolly not the case) emmc will last quite long00:33
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Estel_ShadowJK,  little question if You don't mind00:38
Estel_do You happen to know if blkid -g is required for "just after boot" situation?00:38
ShadowJKno idea00:38
Estel_one line down I'm doing little grep from blkid info00:38
Estel_it was mean't to clear blkid's data before00:39
Estel_suprisingly, invoking blkid works well00:39
Estel_*only* -g (clearing) makes everything go apeshit00:39
Estel_and only if invoked from rcS-late00:39
Estel_BTW, it seems to work for other people, which is very strange IMO00:40
Estel_I could almost swear it worked for me yesterday, too00:40
Estel_voodoo programing00:40
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vi___-g00:43
vi___Perform a garbage collection pass on the blkid cache to remove devices which no longer exist.00:43
vi___perhaps it is relying on this cache?00:43
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vi___why do you need to -g anyway/00:44
vi___?00:44
vi___also, swapfile==pain in the ass00:44
vi___so you have swapfile on usd?00:44
vi___you have to umount swapfile before you can connect n900 by usb mass storage mode00:45
vi___so you need to put it on a seperate partiton on USB00:45
vi___if that is the case you may as well just use a swap partition...00:45
vi___unless I have missed something00:45
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Estel_vi___, no, not m,e with swapfiles01:05
Estel_i need garbage collection pass, or I can have data in blkid belonging to long time non-existing swap partitions01:05
Estel_but I'm not sure if it's the case also, when device   just booted01:05
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int_uaI've uploaded a new version of the restinpeace package today in the morning, but it's not showing on the device while it's showing as the latest on http://maemo.org/packages/view/restinpeace/03:01
int_uais it something wrong with my package cache or with the server?03:01
int_uaWhat version do you see on the device?03:02
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Estel_chem|st, please, make this thread sticky:19:07
Estel_http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8453319:07
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Estel_DocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer51, could you set this up as topic for IRC?19:24
Estel_http://maemo.org/community/council/device_program-12-community_awards/19:24
Estel_^^^ Community Awards program has started, see above for details. Community Council encourage all long-time Maemo's contributors to submit.19:25
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JaffaEstel_: Thanks for the posts to the council blog, btw.19:50
JaffaEstel_: Nothing yet about the new council?19:50
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Estel_we've weekend and national holidays in US, so we've left inaugurating blog entyr from council to next week.19:54
Estel_Especially, I wanted to include something from every new council member, and it would be hard, as Woody is out in (literally) wilderness ;)19:54
Estel_enjoying holidays.19:54
Estel_OTOH, there was no reasonm to wait with start of CA, so practice went ahead of meet&greet19:55
Estel_I'm glad You like it. BTw, if You see something that is wrong form technical point of view - on this blog entry - don't hestitate to write19:55
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luke-jrEstel_: do the submissions have to be Maemo-related, or can they be NIT-related?20:20
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Estel_luke-jr, I don't understand?23:09
Estel_are You talking about Community Awards? If so, please read annoucement - it doesn't have to be "anything" related, it's just about contributions to community as a whole23:09
luke-jri c23:10
Estel_as per Coding Competition and other things (Qt 5, Nokia store0, I've no idea, ask people organizing it.23:10
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Estel_X-Fade ping23:44
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Estel_merlin1991, You haven't answered me, if You're interested in buying Used N900 in ideal condition with reinforced USB port for 200 euro ;p23:45
Estel_as You seemed to be interested last time23:45
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luke-jrEstel_: I would be, but at 200 USD :P23:56
Estel_for 200 USD I can sell you one with broken screen and broken USV port ;)23:57
Estel_USB*23:57
Estel_freemangordon, ping23:58

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