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| petur | trying to hunt down bad battery life, phone seems stuck in C2 most of the time, power domain 'per' being active... am I correct that this is uarts and stuff? Any hints at what could be causing it? Recently reflashed, running kp50 and cssu-testing. | 00:44 |
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| petur | maybe I should reflash and check step by step, wasting too much time tracking this down | 00:58 |
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| Hurrian | Estel_, I'm sorry, but I don't know. (I use Catorise to sort my stuff for me) | 02:14 |
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| LaoLang_cool | I think the volume is low when calling, although I've set the volume to the maximum | 08:34 |
| LaoLang_cool | I set it by the volume button on the top left side of N900 | 08:34 |
| Sc0rpius | but do you set it DURING a call? | 08:35 |
| Sc0rpius | or before a call? | 08:35 |
| Sc0rpius | because they are different | 08:35 |
| LaoLang_cool | Sc0rpius, I set it during the call | 08:36 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Actually, the volume is big enough, but I think it can be higher at the maxmum level | 08:37 |
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| Psi | are there any phones available or being made that would suit as a n900 replacement? | 08:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | basically no | 08:59 |
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| jaska | think i need to coax one guy who bought a n9 to sell me his old n900 | 10:33 |
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| Estel_ | why? | 10:44 |
| Estel_ | jaska? | 10:44 |
| Estel_ | I haven't bought N9, but I got N900 in ideal condition and reinforced SB port to sale | 10:45 |
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| Estel_ | who remember name of fm radio driver module for N900? | 10:55 |
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| Estel_ | javispedro, nice to know, but why haven't You released update sources to repos? | 11:21 |
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| teotwaki | Estel_: there is no capital on "You" or "Your" in English. | 11:33 |
| teotwaki | it's not German :P | 11:33 |
| teotwaki | it's just "you" or "your" | 11:34 |
| Estel_ | teotwaki, know that already ;) Let's just assume it's a folklore of mine | 11:42 |
| teotwaki | s/folklore/quirk/ | 11:42 |
| Estel_ | whatever | 11:42 |
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| Estel_ | If it makes you feel better, You may assume I'm using elisabethian type of english ;) | 11:43 |
| Estel_ | s/You/you/ | 11:44 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: If it makes you feel better, you may assume I'm using elisabethian type of english ;) | 11:44 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 11:44 |
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| teotwaki | actually, even 5 centuries ago, "you" didn't take a capital :) | 11:47 |
| Estel_ | it took in letters | 11:47 |
| Estel_ | or other forms of respect | 11:47 |
| Estel_ | strangely enough, "I" too, but I live still | 11:48 |
| Estel_ | well, self respect isn't bad thing ;) | 11:48 |
| Estel_ | FYI, it was also the case in most languages, and, it's still up to this date | 11:48 |
| Estel_ | not only german, same for Polish, for example | 11:48 |
| Estel_ | although,. in polish, like in english, common writing doesn't include "You" as a capitalised form | 11:49 |
| Estel_ | but, it still live in letters and personal documents | 11:49 |
| Estel_ | so i may assume polish is somewhere in middle ;) | 11:49 |
| teotwaki | I'd love a reference to "you" being capitalised in personal writings... Because even though I'm currently studying heterologies in English litt, I've never come across that. | 11:50 |
| Estel_ | hm, odd enough | 11:50 |
| teotwaki | well, other than when it's the first word of a sentence, obviously :) | 11:51 |
| Estel_ | obviously. wait, im searching | 11:53 |
| teotwaki | Estel_: this being said, when I say "I'm currently studying", that's probably pushing it -- my girlfriend is doing a masters in that, I'm just tagging along when not at work. This being said, we are currently working on Melville's Clarel for a dossier, so I guess I'm entitled to saying I do study it :P | 11:53 |
| Estel_ | for sure | 11:53 |
| teotwaki | (18000 lines is quite the poem :P) | 11:53 |
| Estel_ | it seems that You're right, and shakespare used it only because it was reffered to King or Queen | 11:57 |
| Estel_ | capitalised form of english You wasn't used since 12th century :/ I always knew I'm old fashioned ;) | 11:57 |
| Estel_ | anyway | 11:57 |
| Estel_ | strangely enough, it's 2nd time I see someone carrying about it, in a short time | 11:57 |
| Estel_ | + never ever heard about it before | 11:58 |
| Estel_ | seems like people are turning into etymology hobbyits | 11:58 |
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| Estel_ | hobbysts* | 11:58 |
| Estel_ | anyway | 11:58 |
| teotwaki | hobbyists :) | 11:58 |
| Estel_ | I really like form of capitalised You, She Hew etc, as a form of showing respect, so it sounbds like a great challenge for me to remember about need to drop it ;) | 11:59 |
| Estel_ | that's why I've called it a folklore of mine | 11:59 |
| Estel_ | anyway, it was a nice topic for short discussion during recovering OptFS backup of 4Gb in size | 11:59 |
| Estel_ | ffs, something crashed, and I got filesystem corrupted beyond repair | 11:59 |
| Estel_ | device was semi-working, although, any command written in terminal left it in limbo state | 12:00 |
| Estel_ | (temrinal only) | 12:00 |
| Estel_ | no power menu etc | 12:00 |
| Estel_ | I was able to connect through ssh, yet... | 12:00 |
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| Estel_ | commands, despite being "accepted" (new line started after etc) it did nothing | 12:01 |
| Estel_ | same for shutdown, reboot etc | 12:01 |
| Estel_ | had to kill Xorg to force shutdown | 12:01 |
| Estel_ | but optfs got screwed in the process :( | 12:01 |
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| teotwaki | Estel_: if you need to recover files, use photorec | 12:29 |
| teotwaki | Estel_: and ddrescue to dump | 12:29 |
| Estel_ | fortunatelly nothiong critical, just annoyance, as recovering take time | 12:30 |
| Estel_ | I had backup - not very recent ;) But I "mastereD" recovering optfs only and fixing desync issues with rootfs by hand | 12:30 |
| Estel_ | damn, device doesn't boot maemo even after recovery, WTF? | 12:34 |
| Estel_ | is it possible that I'll have to do full reflash for the first time even? *headache* | 12:35 |
| Sicelo | Estel_: you might want to try NIN101's rescueOS | 12:36 |
| Sicelo | that's if you have some idea where the problem is :\ | 12:36 |
| Estel_ | thanks, but unfortunatelly, NFC, as I've restored working OptFS backup | 12:37 |
| Estel_ | (without problems during restore) | 12:37 |
| Estel_ | I can't imagine how rootfs could get screwed due to such random thing, but who knows | 12:37 |
| Estel_ | erm, what filesystem are we using for rootfs | 12:38 |
| Sicelo | ubifs, i think | 12:38 |
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| Estel_ | any way to recover this? it shouldn't require fsck nor have one | 12:43 |
| Estel_ | framebuffe risn't help as it goes through it OK, but fail to displaye 5 dots | 12:44 |
| Estel_ | just black screen with backlight on forever, not rebooting | 12:44 |
| Estel_ | need to do forced power off via power button :( | 12:45 |
| HRH_H_Crab | Estel_: are you still making root filesystems for ez debian chroot? | 12:48 |
| HRH_H_Crab | is there any documentation anywhere about how to make those? | 12:49 |
| Estel_ | hm? you just need debian partition | 12:49 |
| Estel_ | image of it | 12:49 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | so just do something with a loopback and debootstrap? | 12:49 |
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| Estel_ | it depends, what do You qant to achieve? | 12:52 |
| HRH_H_Crab | well | 12:52 |
| Estel_ | creating images for easy debian isn't trivial, as installed components must play nicely with Maemo counterparts | 12:53 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i want to achieve a very minimal debian image with testing on it. | 12:53 |
| Estel_ | see pulseaudio | 12:53 |
| Estel_ | hm | 12:53 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i think the easiest way to do it might be to take your image, shift it to a slug or a zaurus | 12:53 |
| HRH_H_Crab | mount it there and just uninstall / update stuff. | 12:53 |
| HRH_H_Crab | whenever i try and do similar on my phone it ends up rebooting itself | 12:53 |
| Estel_ | yea, but installed components won't play nicely with maemo ones, until You don't need sound working etc | 12:53 |
| HRH_H_Crab | (even if i nice -n 19....) | 12:53 |
| Estel_ | use swap on microSd *only* | 12:54 |
| Estel_ | disable swpa on eMMC | 12:54 |
| Estel_ | (it will help Maemo too, not only ED) | 12:54 |
| HRH_H_Crab | im not interested in sound. | 12:54 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i want to play with mosh. | 12:54 |
| HRH_H_Crab | :P | 12:54 |
| Estel_ | and see Ed thread, ther eyou have proposed settings related to swap | 12:54 |
| Estel_ | swappiness proposed settings are depreciated | 12:54 |
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| Estel_ | best way is to use my image, then, shrink it by uninstalling everything You don't need | 12:54 |
| HRH_H_Crab | yeah | 12:55 |
| Estel_ | just mount image as loopback | 12:55 |
| Estel_ | move content to dedicated partition | 12:55 |
| Estel_ | (or work on image, although it's slower) | 12:55 |
| Estel_ | and use chroot terminal or synaptic to get rid of unused stuff | 12:55 |
| HRH_H_Crab | is it normal that it keeps rebooting if i do apt-get update etc? | 12:55 |
| Estel_ | after that, you might want to send Your image to qole, he will probably like to make it available for download | 12:55 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i read somewhere that if you nice it that doesnt happen. | 12:55 |
| Estel_ | as minimalistic one | 12:55 |
| Estel_ | nope, ncie is jsut a workaround, doens't work always | 12:56 |
| HRH_H_Crab | silly watchdog thing. | 12:56 |
| Estel_ | but it';s sign that You have suboptimal swap setup on your N900 | 12:56 |
| HRH_H_Crab | aaah. | 12:56 |
| HRH_H_Crab | hmmm. | 12:56 |
| Estel_ | it may crash in anymemory hungry operation | 12:56 |
| Estel_ | last few pages on Ed threrad were about that | 12:56 |
| Estel_ | with proposed fixes | 12:56 |
| HRH_H_Crab | thanks i'll take a good look at that thread. | 12:57 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | ive been a bit lazy - its 250 pages or so and the s/n is quite low! | 12:57 |
| HRH_H_Crab | :P | 12:57 |
| Estel_ | :) | 12:57 |
| Estel_ | np, yw | 12:57 |
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| BCMM | is there an easy way to share my 3g connection on an existing infrastructure-mode wlan? | 13:20 |
| BCMM | mobilehotspot seems to want to create a new ad-hoc... the situation is that the wired isp here sucks today | 13:20 |
| Estel_ | mobilehotspot is bets You can get | 13:21 |
| Estel_ | = semi/ad-hoc | 13:21 |
| BCMM | does it support connecting to an infrastructure-mode network? | 13:23 |
| Estel_ | ah, Yuo want to fully re-use | 13:23 |
| BCMM | i want to get a connection on a computer with no wireless card but a wired connection to a wireless router | 13:23 |
| Estel_ | hm | 13:23 |
| Estel_ | it depends on AP | 13:23 |
| Estel_ | it it support DUN, no problem | 13:24 |
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| MrPingu | Hi :) | 14:50 |
| MrPingu | I have recorded that video of wifite, but it only plays on N900. | 14:51 |
| MrPingu | uploading to YT now, hope it can display it | 14:58 |
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| MrPingu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnb6zUw95Ew&feature=youtu.be | 15:39 |
| MrPingu | It worked :) | 15:39 |
| MrPingu | merlin1991: The result ^^ encoded via avimux, so it could probably smoother if I took mjpeg encoding, I guess? | 15:42 |
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| Estel_ | MrPingu, nice work :) | 18:40 |
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| Estel_ | hm, until swap fragmentatrion occur, there is only one big free space on swap partition | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | (ahead of what was written) | 19:00 |
| Raimu | Har, Google's front page has a synthesizer app on. | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | Estel_, there is a speciol patch in kernel block driver for swap devices,. And it is made by Nokia | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | at least for swap logic | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | I see | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | AFAIK, it just writes sequentialy, until all swap space is or was used | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | only after that it starts to salvage opreviously used blocks | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | Maybe there is some logic error in it, kicking after "end" of the swap area | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | quite possible | 19:01 |
| Estel_ | well, it would be great, if ereswap wouldn't be needed :) | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | because what I saw in kernel block driver during my times with compcache is that when there are n pages of swap to be written, the driver searches it's mapping table for continuous space of at least n clusters | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | and there is a mapping table between swap page and physical cluster | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | (assuming page size == cluster size) | 19:03 |
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| freemangordon | at the end it sounds to me like a bug, damn, I wish there were at least 2-3 more kernel developers here :( | 19:04 |
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| Estel_ | Yea, I wish it too | 19:07 |
| Estel_ | unfortunatelly, kernel devs are quite hard to find | 19:08 |
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| Estel_ | at least in our little community | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | Estel_, maybe I should disable this patch (Nokia one) to check how it will behave without it | 19:08 |
| Estel_ | why not, but what's the thing path should do? | 19:08 |
| Estel_ | exactly? | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | Well, it builds a kind of scather-gather list | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | i.e. | 19:09 |
| Estel_ | BTW, maybe it's just that searching for n free clusters is always slower than writing blindly "forward" of written space? | 19:09 |
| * Estel_ listens | 19:09 | |
| Estel_ | <ShadowJK> The nokia modified swap algorithm is: Find largest free block in swap, start writing to that block until end of block, repeat find largest free blck. Over time, as stuff is allocated and freed, the largest free block becomes small, and unaligned. For optimal speed we want somethning like 1Mbyte alignment. | 19:09 |
| Estel_ | (on cssu channel) | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | it maps n(non-sequental) swap pages, to n sequental clusters before writing | 19:10 |
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| freemangordon | ShadowJK, what do you mean by saying "unaligned" | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | from the flash POV? | 19:11 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 19:11 |
| Estel_ | btw, ShadowJK, I hope You've seen credits I've given You on latest package ;) | 19:12 |
| * Estel_ would not like to see, that someone things it's his concept | 19:12 | |
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| freemangordon | hmm, but then it is obvoius where our problems lie - we should not search for the largest, but for the smaller block | 19:12 |
| freemangordon | which fits our needs | 19:13 |
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| ShadowJK | I once plotted (through block dump) byte position of writes on Y axis, and time on x axis, and it showed a steadily climbing line of writes until it reached end of swap, after which it became groups of red dots, which became random red dots later | 19:13 |
| ShadowJK | No, small write is very slow | 19:14 |
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| freemangordon | ShadowJK, i mean - tha smallest block our n swap pages fit into | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | so it still will be sequental write | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | (even unaligned) | 19:15 |
| ShadowJK | It will slow down future writes | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | why, after all there always will be a large enough block to hold the whole RAM, after all there is 768MB swap agains 256 RAM. Maybe I am missing something | 19:16 |
| ShadowJK | Ram isn't dedicated to mirroring swap | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | :) | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK, let me explain, maybe I am wrong, but still | 19:17 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, if my poor predicting skills permit, it seems to me, that over time, free block will become smaller and smaller | 19:17 |
| Estel_ | going to total entropy | 19:17 |
| Estel_ | s/going/heading/ | 19:17 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: heading to total entropy | 19:17 |
| Estel_ | (free block on swap logical mapping) | 19:18 |
| Estel_ | s/block/blocks | 19:18 |
| freemangordon | well, kernel does not evict RAM pages one by one, but on groups AFAIK | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK | The default kernel.org algorithm is something like "find free space nearest last read/write from/to swap", and this is dreadfully slow on flash :/ | 19:18 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, writing them in pages just mean it will head into entropy slower + minimum size of single free block will be single page size | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK | They're not freed in groups, however. That depends on what the apps do | 19:18 |
| Estel_ | it makes final entroipy less painful, yet, still slowing down | 19:19 |
| ShadowJK | Write to an area of memory that was swapped out: kernel reads in page from swap and marks it free | 19:19 |
| Estel_ | exactly. That is why over time, red dots on ShadowJK's alghoritm become random | 19:19 |
| freemangordon | yes, and here is where big enough swap would kick in | 19:19 |
| freemangordon | we will always have big enough sequental swap space available for the next swapping, if swap space is big enough. Or at least my six sense tells me that :D | 19:20 |
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| Estel_ | hm, on heavy swap usage, it would fail | 19:21 |
| ShadowJK | Btw, if I accidentally load something gigantic, like fennec, swap is filled with a big chunk of what's almost exclusively fennec, and when I close it, that area of swap is almost entirely free, and the onset of swap fragmentation is delayed | 19:21 |
| Estel_ | i.e. have 200-300 MB of swap used | 19:21 |
| Estel_ | ...which is not uncommon for browser or EasyDebian things | 19:21 |
| Estel_ | and it becomes a problem, IIRC | 19:21 |
| freemangordon | sure, but we can use more that 768, can we? | 19:21 |
| Estel_ | even when we would search first "big enough" free space | 19:21 |
| Estel_ | sure thing | 19:21 |
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| freemangordon | maybe it is a matter of finding the optimum swap size then? | 19:22 |
| Estel_ | well, but, it would surely limit clutterness, yet, searching for first enough swap space still would be little slower than "just write sequentialy", yes? | 19:22 |
| ShadowJK | in my experience "big enough" only delays the slowdown. I have 2gig swapspace, and I usually notice slowdown once about 2.3 gig has been written :) | 19:22 |
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| freemangordon | ShadowJK, that is inevitable with the current algorith | 19:23 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, freeman means optimum swpa size if ekrnel would search for first big enough place in swap | 19:23 |
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| Estel_ | instead of "biggest" free swap | 19:23 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, but swap sometimes also write more than 1 page etc | 19:23 |
| Estel_ | so searching for every single writew wouldn't slow things down? | 19:24 |
| ShadowJK | freemangordon; i think it's inevitable with any algorithm that can't reallocate pages that already exist in swap. I once had an idea of doing: | 19:24 |
| Estel_ | you know, those 3 pages goes there, those 5 there, and this 1 there... | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | hmm, the other option would be swap de-fragmentation worker thread | 19:24 |
| Estel_ | bug realocating pages already sitting in swap would require re-writing already written things, + writing new ones = more slowdown on already slow swap | 19:24 |
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| Estel_ | honestly, as we have hardware wear-leveling anyway, the fastest thing would be to remap their logic location, without moving them physically on swap partition. But is it possible? | 19:25 |
| ShadowJK | divide swap into 1 meg blocks. Write sequentially filling blocks. If no fully free block is found, find n most free blocks, collect used pages from those together into a fully filled block, hopefully gaining many more totally free blocks | 19:25 |
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| ShadowJK | a garbage collect | 19:25 |
| ShadowJK | Estel_; not possible | 19:25 |
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| freemangordon | ShadowJK, yes, something like that | 19:26 |
| Estel_ | If I would have to choose between swap of maximum allowable speed but requiring "refreshinbg" via ereswap, or swap not needing ereswap at all, but slower all-together | 19:26 |
| Estel_ | due to some worker re-writing it... | 19:26 |
| Estel_ | I would preffer faster swap needing reflash | 19:26 |
| Estel_ | s/reflash/refresh/ | 19:27 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: I would preffer faster swap needing refresh | 19:27 |
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| freemangordon | Estel_, a well written garbage collector would be unnoticable from th user POV | 19:27 |
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| Estel_ | if that's achievable, why not? | 19:27 |
| ShadowJK | swapoff/swapon is the quick and easy sh script defragmenter, it essentially reads in all pages and writes it to another fresh swap :D | 19:27 |
| freemangordon | but you need a second swap space | 19:28 |
| Estel_ | but, it need moving them to ram first | 19:28 |
| Estel_ | and moving them to swap later | 19:28 |
| Estel_ | both require time if You have 200 MB of swpa used | 19:28 |
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| Estel_ | which means you need to close everything | 19:28 |
| Estel_ | and do reswap | 19:28 |
| Estel_ | or it take ages | 19:28 |
| * ShadowJK usually runs swap on microsd | 19:28 | |
| Estel_ | same here | 19:28 |
| Estel_ | but it still take time and effort to do reswap | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | me too, but that is not a general solution for stick n900 | 19:28 |
| ShadowJK | because it reduces the amount of random I/O to emmc | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | *stock | 19:29 |
| Estel_ | IMO, swap on eMMC is depreciated | 19:29 |
| * Woody14619 runs swap on sd, then runs a script via cron at 3am that swaps to internal then back to declutter. :) | 19:29 | |
| Estel_ | I educate people whenever I can, and it seems to make good effects | 19:29 |
| Estel_ | Woody14619, sometimes I need to refresh swap few times a day | 19:29 |
| Estel_ | or few times a hour in extreme cases :D | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | Estel_, after all I am a part of CSSU team :P | 19:30 |
| Estel_ | :P | 19:30 |
| ShadowJK | btw: http://lwn.net/Articles/428584/ | 19:30 |
| Woody14619 | I generally have a moderate usage pattern, so for me once a day is plenty. | 19:30 |
| Estel_ | BTw I noticed that poorly written html page with BIG pictures is able to use whole swap oin 10 minutes | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | and there are not only hackers/gurus in CSSU users | 19:31 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon,that why I've put ereswap into repos | 19:31 |
| Estel_ | ...and spend 7 freaking hours to write proper script that automagically uipdates user rcS-late | 19:31 |
| Estel_ | raping sed few times in the process | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | yeah, sure, I am joust trying to gather as much information as possible | 19:31 |
| Estel_ | of course | 19:32 |
| Estel_ | fikrst of all, swap on microSd = I/O conflicts in eMMC and more wear and tear to non-replaceable medium | 19:32 |
| Estel_ | IMO it's totally depreciated | 19:32 |
| Estel_ | damn | 19:32 |
| Estel_ | I mean swap on eMMC | 19:32 |
| Estel_ | not microSd ;) | 19:32 |
| Estel_ | microSd is the opposite | 19:32 |
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| freemangordon | BTW I thing simulationg the fragmentation should be a relatively easy task | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | so one can check an algorithm performance | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | damn, a typo day again :D | 19:33 |
| Estel_ | bTW, freemangordon, what do You t2hink about DocScrutinizer's idea of attaching jt6ag cable and gaining some more debug info through testpads? | 19:34 |
| Estel_ | if doable, it should provide us really great core dumps | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | I am all with him :D | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | If he can make it that will be great | 19:34 |
| Estel_ | I hope he will take this project to results stage | 19:34 |
| Estel_ | I would do this too, if I would understand what he means completely ;) | 19:35 |
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| Estel_ | Woody14619, are You still here? | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | BTW there is rich-core... stuff in repos perfectly suitable to gather coredumps | 19:35 |
| * Woody14619 was off in another window... | 19:35 | |
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| freemangordon | Woody14619, you are using windows? | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | :P | 19:36 |
| Estel_ | Woody14619, as election is ending today, and, during candidate's numbers etc, we're sure that "someone" will be elected | 19:36 |
| Woody14619 | I'm at work... so yes. :) | 19:36 |
| Estel_ | what about setting up a hyphotetical Council Meeting tommorow? | 19:36 |
| Estel_ | I mean rock solid council meeting with hyphotetical list of peoiple ;0 | 19:36 |
| Woody14619 | You assume we're gonig to get results in a timely mannor? ;) | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | Estel_, that ^^^ | 19:37 |
| Estel_ | yea, as machine is doing it ;P | 19:37 |
| Woody14619 | Considering it took 3 days to start the election, I'm not quite certain we'll get a result at a given time. | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | and have in mind that all of the candidates shoudl agree on that | 19:37 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, sure thing | 19:37 |
| Estel_ | that's why I'm catching them | 19:37 |
| Woody14619 | I bet the machine wills stop taking votes at a given time, but seeing the results? Dunno. :) | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | as noone knows (i hope) in advance who will be elected | 19:38 |
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| Estel_ | although some, like jrpchak, are quite hard to catch | 19:38 |
| Estel_ | ...anywhere... | 19:38 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, hahaha, it see,ms X-Fade know it already, probably | 19:38 |
| Estel_ | considering most votes were allocated | 19:38 |
| Estel_ | seriously though | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | well, besides him | 19:38 |
| Woody14619 | I will be on holiday Friday through Monday, so if it's going to be any time, it's tomorrow or Tuesday on. | 19:38 |
| Estel_ | god damn thing about time differencews between continent and US | 19:39 |
| Woody14619 | Monday is a US holiday (Memorial Day). | 19:39 |
| Estel_ | Woody14619, what is Your's tommorow availability? | 19:39 |
| Estel_ | today is our protest day, it seems... Taxi drivers protest vs deregulation of their professions, so they've blocked country capital | 19:40 |
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| Estel_ | people are already thinking about revenge, like payiung with pouches of 1 gr (our equivalent of 1 cent) | 19:40 |
| Woody14619 | Most of the day, 14-19 UTC and 20-23 UTC. | 19:41 |
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| Woody14619 | .oO(I think I got that right? May be an hour off from daylight saving time) | 19:42 |
| Woody14619 | Yup.. my bad... 13-18, and 19-22. :P | 19:43 |
| Estel_ | first idea is 15 UTC | 19:43 |
| Estel_ | so 14 UTC | 19:43 |
| Estel_ | will check with others | 19:43 |
| Woody14619 | : nods, that generally works for most people. Morning for US, evening for EU. | 19:44 |
| * Woody14619 sigh... IRC != Talker. | 19:44 | |
| Estel_ | erm, which UTC hour is now? | 19:45 |
| Estel_ | what UTC time do we have now | 19:45 |
| Estel_ | (daylight saving time problems) | 19:45 |
| Woody14619 | 16:45 right now. | 19:45 |
| Estel_ | yea, checked that too in web... so it's all ok | 19:45 |
| Woody14619 | I know it's always +5 or +4 (EST->UTC or EDT->UTC), just forget which is which sometimes. | 19:46 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, maybe 15:47 | 19:51 |
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| freemangordon | nah, 16... | 19:51 |
| Estel_ | god bless zerobin | 19:53 |
| Estel_ | today I had to recover from backup, as my optfs *and* rootfs got screwed... | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf??? | 19:53 |
| Estel_ | and I've lsot some on-device work that I've made on eject | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: I never suggested that | 19:53 |
| Estel_ | fortunatelly, I've found zerobin of latest version, that I posted here for revision | 19:53 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, that = what? | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | attacj JTAG | 19:54 |
| Estel_ | hm? | 19:55 |
| Estel_ | sorry, i must have missunderstood | 19:55 |
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| Estel_ | but You generally know which idea I'm reffering to? | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I talked with two or 3 colleagues, all think ETB should be usable from maemo userland or at least kefrnel | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no need jtag | 19:57 |
| Estel_ | I'm almsot sure I remember that someone asked You about jtag and You replied yes | 19:57 |
| Estel_ | but, whatever | 19:57 |
| Estel_ | maybe it was 2 topics merge | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | chck chanlog, I said works via both | 19:58 |
| * Estel_ nods | 19:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: [2012-05-22 13:02:29] <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: IHI0014Q_etm_architecture_spec.pdf p129 "3.5 detailed register descriptions" ETMACTR [13:10] | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ihi0014q/IHI0014Q_etm_architecture_spec.pdf | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | State and mode comparison control. The assignment of these bits is: | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Bit [13, 11] Non-secure state comparison control. | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Bit [12, 10] Secure state comparison control. | 20:08 |
| Estel_ | thanks a lot, although i dont understand single part of it ;) | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | If the processor does not implement the Security Extensions, bits [13, 11] are reserved, | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | tjhis clearly suggests that ETB is designed to work on platforms that use TrustZone Security Extensions (as well as on those who don't use or have it) | 20:10 |
| Estel_ | erm, above sentence it means that trustzone security blabla doesn't matter... | 20:13 |
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| Estel_ | cause it works with or without it? | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know what's ETB/ETM aka CoreSight? | 20:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wel, obviously " Embedded Trace Macrocell ™ " according to the pdf link I pasted above ;-) | 20:29 |
| ShadowJK | freemangordon; in your simulaion, randomly free 4k chunks of swap | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's basically a (iirc) 6.8K size FIFO | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | that traces all instructions execured, and optionally also data of accessed registers | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you can read out that FIFO by CPU | 20:31 |
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| freemangordon | ShadowJK, :nod:, along with random allocation | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >> An Embedded Trace Macrocell (ETM) is a real-time trace module providing instruction and data tracing of a processor. An ETM is an integral part of an ARM RealView® debug solution.<< | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | freemangordon; and then a non-sequential write has penalty of .5M read-modify-write cycle :) | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, that's flash | 20:40 |
| * ShadowJK finds his trace | 20:41 | |
| ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/kswapd.png | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | NAND flash, to be precise | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | y is multiples of 512 or something | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | notice right after linear part ended, there's short tiny patch of linear in middle of y approx | 20:42 |
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| ShadowJK | but then that too is spent | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | funny tiny scratch | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and shit literally explodes right after that | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I guess that tiny thingie is the fuse of the bomb you see exploding in right half | 20:44 |
| ShadowJK | the dots get smaller and smaller | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure as hell painting a 20 MB picture onto flying dust makes your kernel kswapd busy for 30min or an hour | 20:47 |
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| ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/swap2.png also with reads, ends before fragmentation onset it seems | 20:49 |
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| ShadowJK | Some data seems to stick around, and most reads are of recently written data. tiny semi-permanent chunks are sprinkled like pixie dust in the wake of the swapmonster :) | 20:50 |
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| * DocScrutinizer cleans dust off his LCD screen | 20:53 | |
| DocScrutinizer | now if you'd color the dots modulo of PID of process owning the page... :-D | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | Speaking of dust, it's amazing how big fuses you can trip with a few teaspoons of metal dust inside a schuko | 20:56 |
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| ShadowJK | (and undetectable with multimeter) | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | Unfortunately kswapd does most of accesses :) | 20:56 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, sh expertise needed again, I've screwed something (what a surprise :P) | 20:57 |
| Estel_ | lets say I have simple line of code | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | unlikely ;-P | 20:57 |
| Estel_ | [ ! -e /dev/sr* ];e=1 && banner | 20:58 |
| r00t|home | bad | 20:58 |
| Estel_ | banner is a function described properly, it function ok so lets skip that | 20:58 |
| Estel_ | e is declared as 0 before | 20:58 |
| r00t|home | wil blow up if there is more than one match | 20:58 |
| Estel_ | e+0 then comes our line | 20:58 |
| Estel_ | oh | 20:58 |
| Estel_ | good point, but anbother problem is there | 20:58 |
| Estel_ | it set e to 1 even when /dev/sr0 is present | 20:58 |
| Estel_ | (and sole) | 20:58 |
| r00t|home | becuase you have a ; there | 20:59 |
| r00t|home | with exectures the next command unconditionally | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, completely messed up | 20:59 |
| Estel_ | I see | 20:59 |
| r00t|home | you want && between ] and the assignment | 20:59 |
| Estel_ | erm, so what should be there to execute next command (and banner) only if /dev/sr* is non-existing? | 20:59 |
| r00t|home | [ ! -e /dev/sr* ] && { e=1 ; banner ; } | 21:00 |
| Estel_ | [ ! -e /dev/sr* ] && e=1 && banner | 21:00 |
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| Estel_ | ?? | 21:00 |
| r00t|home | or just do it like normal people: | 21:00 |
| Estel_ | ah | 21:00 |
| Estel_ | well, my only excuse is that I'm debugging blue_led's code :P | 21:00 |
| r00t|home | if [ ! -e /dev/sr* ] ; then e=1 ; banner ; fi | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | still ignoring your own valid concern, r00t|home ? | 21:00 |
| r00t|home | but it will still blow up if there is more than one match to the glob | 21:00 |
| Estel_ | i'm not sure if "if" (:P) is suitable here, due to this shit being part of complex code | 21:01 |
| Estel_ | gimme sex | 21:01 |
| r00t|home | DENIED | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | use find | 21:01 |
| r00t|home | i'd rather use ls i think, find a little overkill | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | or that | 21:01 |
| r00t|home | also, why use that glob anyway? | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | but how you instruct ls to throw error on invokation w/o argument? | 21:02 |
| r00t|home | doesn't make much sense | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah wait, it has invalid argument then | 21:02 |
| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: the shell does NOT remove non-matching globs, unless you set a special option | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:02 |
| Estel_ | wait a second, I'll show You context | 21:02 |
| r00t|home | shopt nullglob | 21:02 |
| Estel_ | where it's written | 21:02 |
| r00t|home | Estel_: NOOOOOO.... | 21:03 |
| Estel_ | ? | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | pretty please mot | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | not | 21:03 |
| r00t|home | Estel_: we've seen enough of it by now ;) | 21:03 |
| r00t|home | to know we don't want to see more | 21:03 |
| Estel_ | honestly, without seeing at least full function, this is academic discussion | 21:03 |
| Estel_ | as I can't apply Your suggestion | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls /foo/bar/xy* && echo "there's some xy*" | 21:04 |
| Estel_ | without You considering context and adjusting suggestions to it | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls /foo/bar/xy* 2>/dev/null && echo "there's some xy*" | 21:04 |
| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: &>/dev/null | 21:04 |
| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: you want to surpress normal output aswell | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:04 |
| Estel_ | whatever, if You two doesn't want to see it, maybe someone else will like to help | 21:04 |
| Estel_ | overall, it's simple code, simple small script | 21:04 |
| r00t|home | didn't we help already? | 21:04 |
| * Estel_ nods | 21:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer | dang, s-off with shellscripts, I learnt about caif in andridiot whole day | 21:05 |
| Estel_ | of course and zI'm grateful | 21:05 |
| Estel_ | yet not to the point, when noob like me would be able to fix it properly | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls /foo/bar/xy* &>/dev/null && echo "there's some xy*" | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | HELL, FIRE & BRIMSTONE | 21:06 |
| Estel_ | echo will set variable for me that I can use later to decide something? | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 21:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles finally voted. | 21:07 | |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, thanks a lot for You participating in election | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you dunno how to replace "echo TheFuck" by any other cmd, I think you shouldn't try shellscripting | 21:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Estel_, well, I probably should. I was partly responsible for the existence of the council in the first place. :P | 21:08 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 21:08 |
| Estel_ | http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?715bc0aa4fd6ec1a#jUMAZFyEh+dgn97YDkyrODE0gQBWkTAV88OHtAixX/c= | 21:08 |
| Estel_ | here is current state of this simple script | 21:08 |
| Estel_ | set -xv tells me, obviously, that it fail.s due to ;e=1 | 21:09 |
| Estel_ | any way of fixing it *without* breaking whole stuff? | 21:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer surfs to youporn instead ;-P | 21:09 | |
| Estel_ | It have been written by blue_led and contained multiple mistakes, I've fixed them and want to publish it | 21:09 |
| Estel_ | quite useful for optical drives users | 21:09 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, this script is more hardcore porn :P | 21:10 |
| * Estel_ teases | 21:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why | 21:10 |
| Estel_ | or softcore, it's like foo | 21:10 |
| Estel_ | it's whatever You ever wanted to look at | 21:10 |
| Estel_ | seriously, it's few liner, and I'm to noob to fix it ;) anyone could help? | 21:11 |
| Estel_ | line: | 21:11 |
| Estel_ | *Host*)[ ! -e /dev/sr* ];e=1 && ( banner | 21:11 |
| Estel_ | is responsible for fail | 21:11 |
| Estel_ | as it should set 1 only if /dev/sr* (anything) doesn't exist | 21:11 |
| Estel_ | but obviously it sets 1 all the time | 21:12 |
| Estel_ | now, I would like to also take r00t|home valid comment | 21:12 |
| Estel_ | about it failing when more than 1 matches found | 21:12 |
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| Estel_ | r00t|home, teased enough to look at it? :P | 21:13 |
| Estel_ | maybe some good looking if would fit there? | 21:13 |
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| Estel_ | normally, it looked like that: | 21:14 |
| Estel_ | *Host*)[ ! -e /dev/sr* ];e=1 && ( banner "Host mode detected, but no optical drive attached. Exiting...";e=1);; | 21:15 |
| Estel_ | no wait | 21:15 |
| Estel_ | *Host*)[ ! -e /dev/sr* ] && ( banner "Host mode detected, but no optical drive attached. Exiting...";e=1);; | 21:15 |
| Estel_ | ^^^like that | 21:15 |
| Estel_ | but it had bad habit of setting it to 0, even if no /dev/sr* found | 21:15 |
| Estel_ | + exploded, when more than 1 matching | 21:16 |
| Estel_ | idea how to fix it, anyone? | 21:16 |
| Estel_ | *Host*)[ ! ls /dev/sr* ] && ( banner "Host mode detected, but no optical drive attached. Exiting...";e=1);; | 21:16 |
| Estel_ | ? | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | HEEEEEEELLLLLL | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | if ls /dev/sr* 6>/dev/null; then e=1; banner; fi; | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/6/&/ | 21:20 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: if ls /dev/sr* &>/dev/null; then e=1; banner; fi; | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | if ! ls /dev/sr* &>/dev/null; then e=1; banner; fi; | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | if ls /dev/sr* &>/dev/null; then :; else e=1; banner; fi; | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | or | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls /dev/sr* | 21:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if [ 0 -eq $?] ; then e=1; banner; fi; | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | if [ 0 -ne $?] ; then e=1; banner; fi; | 21:23 |
| Estel_ | hehe thanks for plentor of solutions | 21:24 |
| Estel_ | trying them now... | 21:24 |
| Estel_ | and those () present in original script, not needed? | 21:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you still think I'll look at that script again? | 21:26 |
| Estel_ | no :P will try everything myself | 21:26 |
| Estel_ | and ask if all effort ,to no avail | 21:26 |
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| Estel_ | thanks a loor checking it | 21:27 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ok, now my question not related to above code, at least directly | 21:34 |
| Estel_ | when I try to mount filesystem for optical drive with no disc inside, ZI get, hopefully, such output: | 21:34 |
| Estel_ | mount: mounting /dev/sr0 on /media/cdrom failed: No medium found | 21:34 |
| Estel_ | I would like to write simple if | 21:35 |
| Estel_ | making banner output different for such situation | 21:35 |
| Estel_ | than situation, when disc is present but mounting failed | 21:35 |
| Estel_ | any idea how to identify former case in sh script? | 21:35 |
| Estel_ | i.e. how to make sh script "catch" this "no medium found" reply | 21:35 |
| Estel_ | my idea is simple: | 21:36 |
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| Estel_ | if <such reply caught>; banner "message1": else banner "messagea2"; fi; | 21:37 |
| Estel_ | the problem is with method to caught this output properly | 21:37 |
| Estel_ | I'm sure there is a way | 21:37 |
| Estel_ | exit code of mount is same (failure) on both no medium found and other problems, yep? | 21:38 |
| Estel_ | so can't use simple || | 21:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're sure there's such an output? | 21:42 |
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| Estel_ | yes | 21:46 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer ^^^ | 21:46 |
| Estel_ | I mean, output in terminal | 21:46 |
| Estel_ | it's different for other problems | 21:46 |
| Estel_ | I wonder how mount know that sr0 is something that contains (should) media | 21:47 |
| Estel_ | but it does | 21:47 |
| Estel_ | sr0 exist, yet, trying to mount it without CD or DVD inside gives 'essage as I've pasted before | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | srX is supposed to be sth like that | 21:47 |
| Estel_ | of course | 21:48 |
| Estel_ | I already adjusted this script to give proper answer when mounting fail instead of dying silently, but, it would be nice to make different output banner for no disc present | 21:48 |
| Estel_ | and "mounting failed" overall error with mounting | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | if [ "some message" == $(command <parameter) ]; then... | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | if [ "some message" == "$(command <parameter)" ]; then... | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | even | 21:49 |
| Estel_ | ah, so it will know answer... lovely | 21:49 |
| Estel_ | else, just command <parameter> | 21:50 |
| Estel_ | but but | 21:50 |
| Estel_ | wont if [ "some message" ==$(command <parameter)" ] | 21:50 |
| Estel_ | already mount it in case of disc present? | 21:51 |
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| Estel_ | then trying to mount it again after "else" would give false error mesage about device in use | 21:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if [ "root" == $(sudo whoami) ]; then echo "test was true"; fi | 21:52 |
| Estel_ | generally, it must either mount it with success, and give banner1, or fail to mount it due to lack of disc and give banner2, or fail due to other reasons and give banner3 | 21:52 |
| Estel_ | I see, but how it can see reply to mount command without trying? | 21:52 |
| Estel_ | it's just simulating command and getting proper output? 0_o | 21:53 |
| Estel_ | even with mount related to hardware devices? | 21:54 |
| Estel_ | (that could have different state totally independently of N900 and without informing the latter about status change, i.e. disc present or not) | 21:54 |
| Estel_ | (unless N900 actually tries to mount it) | 21:54 |
| Estel_ | oh, got idea | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | case "$(sudo whoami)" in \n "root") echo "root";; \n user) echo user; \n beep;; \n *) echo "neither root nor user"; \n reboot;; \n esac | 21:55 |
| Estel_ | hehe | 21:55 |
| Estel_ | what about | 21:55 |
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| Estel_ | mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom || if [ "no media" == "$(mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom)" ]; then banner "no disc"; else banner "generic error"; fi; | 21:57 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ^^^, should work I think? | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, you invoke it twice | 21:58 |
| Estel_ | ??? | 21:58 |
| Estel_ | 2nd time only if 1st fail | 21:58 |
| Estel_ | || | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | so?? is that sane? | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | but it won't mess with situation when mounting was ok | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | so wont give false error for success | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | and if it fails, it just check why and give answer based on that | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | = no false answer in any condition | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | calling it twice isn't a problem, problem was with false errors or positives | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohwell | 22:00 |
| Estel_ | but of course I'll gladly read better solution and learn analysing it | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, you'll answer hehe and then ignore any suggestion of better alternatives | 22:02 |
| Raimu | DocScrutinizer, what's the difference between CSOC and RSOC in bq27k queries? | 22:02 |
| Raimu | Sorry to burst in asking dumb things. | 22:03 |
| Estel_ | wtf? | 22:03 |
| Estel_ | how those with root was related? | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | the one is adjusted to take into account the temperature etc of cell | 22:03 |
| Estel_ | whoiam doesn't interfere like checking mount reply | 22:03 |
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| Raimu | Doc, thanks. :) | 22:04 |
| Estel_ | case "$(sudo whoami)" in \n "root") echo "root";; \n user) echo user; \n beep;; \n *) echo "neither root nor user"; \n reboot;; \n esac | 22:04 |
| Estel_ | here You also call it twice | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 22:05 |
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| Estel_ | case "$(mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom)" in \n "no media") echo "disc not in tray";; \n generic_error) echo failed_totally; \n mounted_properly;; \n *) echo "mounted properly"; \n mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom;; \n esac | 22:06 |
| Estel_ | or | 22:06 |
| Estel_ | case "$(mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom) mount it already for good? | 22:07 |
| r00t|home | wtf? | 22:07 |
| Estel_ | I think I get it | 22:07 |
| r00t|home | if ! mount cdrom ; then echo an error occured ; else echo ok ; fi | 22:07 |
| Estel_ | r00t|home, You haven't read whole story | 22:08 |
| Estel_ | there could be 2 reasons of error | 22:08 |
| Estel_ | and I want to give different messages on them | 22:08 |
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| Estel_ | one is for disc not in tray | 22:08 |
| Estel_ | another one for generic error | 22:08 |
| Estel_ | but, it can be checked *only* during real mounting attempt | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | and what makes you think the error msg of mount cmd isn't ok for your banner text? | 22:09 |
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| Estel_ | not verbose enough :P | 22:09 |
| Estel_ | someting like "mount: no media found" is ugly | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: do a | 22:09 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 22:09 |
| Estel_ | or | 22:10 |
| Estel_ | and it's GUI tool, so I needd answer via banner | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | result=$( mount dev/srwhatnot 2>&1 ) | 22:10 |
| Estel_ | or user won't see it | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | then test for $result | 22:10 |
| Estel_ | good idea, but result mount it already | 22:11 |
| Estel_ | if it's OK | 22:11 |
| Estel_ | and if result is wrong | 22:11 |
| Estel_ | I need to try mounting agaion to probe for answer content | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! | 22:11 |
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| Estel_ | suboptimal I guess, like my previous suggestion with || | 22:12 |
| Estel_ | or result will be direct answer? | 22:12 |
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| Estel_ | call me noob but I don't know what 2>$1 exactly does | 22:13 |
| Estel_ | although I've seen it many times before | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ignore it, it's fixing a problem you haven't even detected yet | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | and &1, NOT $1 | 22:15 |
| Sc0rpius | don't do it like that | 22:15 |
| Sc0rpius | do it like hmm | 22:15 |
| Sc0rpius | res=`mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom` | 22:15 |
| Sc0rpius | if [ $? != 0 ]; then echo this failed. | 22:16 |
| Sc0rpius | mount will always return -1 if it fails. | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *SIGH* | 22:16 |
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| Sc0rpius | and if you somehow want the output anyway you have it in $ret | 22:16 |
| * DocScrutinizer heads out, as that's too much | 22:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer | NO, YOU DON'T | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | as that's stderr output | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | fool | 22:17 |
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| Sc0rpius | <DocScrutinizer> if [ 0 -ne $?] ; then e=1; banner; fi; | 22:17 |
| Sc0rpius | basically same thing I just said. | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | waaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAaaAAAAAaaAAAaAAAAaaa | 22:18 |
| Sc0rpius | res=`mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom 2>&1 ` <-- big deal. | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> ls -l xxxdfd | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls: Zugriff auf xxxdfd nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> x=$(ls -l xxxdfd) | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls: Zugriff auf xxxdfd nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden | 22:19 |
| Sc0rpius | that's just in case I want that output. | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> echo $x | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> | 22:19 |
| Sc0rpius | wtf language is that | 22:19 |
| Sc0rpius | norwegian? | 22:19 |
| Sc0rpius | x=$(ls -l xxxdfd 2>&1) | 22:19 |
| Sc0rpius | naikel@ubuntu:~$ x=$(ls -l xxxdfd 2>&1) | 22:20 |
| Sc0rpius | naikel@ubuntu:~$ echo $x | 22:20 |
| Sc0rpius | ls: cannot access xxxdfd: No such file or directory | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's "never compare output strings, fool! unless you've set LANG=C" language | 22:20 |
| Sc0rpius | in that I agree. | 22:20 |
| Sc0rpius | and not only that | 22:20 |
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| Sc0rpius | obviously the OS language also matters | 22:20 |
| Sc0rpius | everybody should have their OSes in english anyway | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, now you agree | 22:21 |
| Sc0rpius | NO MATTER what native language you have | 22:21 |
| * NIN101 grabs some popcorn. | 22:21 | |
| Sc0rpius | OS should be installed IN ENGLISH | 22:21 |
| Sc0rpius | but that's not the topic here | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | when I suggested exactly same shite as you with>>naikel@ubuntu:~$ x=$(ls -l xxxdfd 2>&1)<< you said "no, don't do it like that" | 22:21 |
| Sc0rpius | anyway my main point was "use $?" | 22:21 |
| Sc0rpius | that was just demonstration you can capture stderr | 22:22 |
| Sc0rpius | not a solution of the problem. | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | *plonk* | 22:22 |
| Sc0rpius | I insist, my main point was "use $?" | 22:22 |
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| Sc0rpius | and | 22:24 |
| Sc0rpius | about this: | 22:24 |
| Sc0rpius | <Estel_> there could be 2 reasons of error | 22:24 |
| Sc0rpius | man mount | 22:24 |
| Sc0rpius | /RETURN CODES | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 22:24 |
| Sc0rpius | there are different return codes for $? | 22:24 |
| Sc0rpius | you can check against them | 22:24 |
| Sc0rpius | and give different messages | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | the point is Estel_ doesn't even understand the first approach | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm out | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's really too much for my mood | 22:25 |
| Estel_ | bye ;) anyway, thanks for edu material for analysis | 22:25 |
| Sc0rpius | :/ | 22:25 |
| Sc0rpius | patience my friend :) | 22:25 |
| Estel_ | don't be sad, remember when You've lost credit card? | 22:25 |
| Sc0rpius | I lost a credit card once | 22:25 |
| Sc0rpius | and then I found it like 30 minutes later in a parking lot I already left | 22:26 |
| Sc0rpius | :) | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizert told funny story about how he lost it | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | :) | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | he was buying something in vendor machine | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | thinking about how poorly it's developed, because it gives goods before asking to take credit card | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | thought about it still 20 meters away | 22:27 |
| Estel_ | and after 30 min, realized he left his card there | 22:27 |
| Estel_ | ...which just makes his reasoning about poor design valid ;) | 22:27 |
| Estel_ | except for part when he though "it could make idiots into losing card" | 22:28 |
| Sc0rpius | hahaha | 22:28 |
| Sc0rpius | that's funny | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | karma's a bitch, you're gonna lose it in the same machine some day | 22:28 |
| Estel_ | I hope DocScrutinizer doesnt mind I told this story again | 22:28 |
| Estel_ | karma? TMO one? :P | 22:29 |
| Estel_ | s/tmo/maemo.org/ | 22:29 |
| Estel_ | s/TMO/maemo.org/ | 22:29 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: karma? maemo.org one? :P | 22:29 |
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| Estel_ | Sc0rpius, You're also experienced @ sh script, yes? | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | who isn't :p | 22:31 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah | 22:31 |
| Sc0rpius | but mostly bash | 22:31 |
| Sc0rpius | though I have made some scripts in ksh and other weird shells | 22:31 |
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| Estel_ | I see | 22:34 |
| Estel_ | Sc0rpius, honestly, what 2>&1 exactly does | 22:34 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, I'm not (who isn't) | 22:35 |
| Estel_ | I would call myself beginner, kinda | 22:35 |
| Sc0rpius | it means the second standard output is redirected to the first one | 22:35 |
| Estel_ | (beginner > just user) | 22:35 |
| Sc0rpius | the second standard output is stderr | 22:35 |
| Sc0rpius | the first one is stdout | 22:35 |
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| Sc0rpius | > == 1> | 22:35 |
| Estel_ | I see. What is that supposed to fix? | 22:36 |
| Sc0rpius | > outputfile == 1> outputfile | 22:36 |
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| Sc0rpius | it just redirects stderr (where errors are printed) to the stdout | 22:36 |
| Estel_ | all right | 22:36 |
| Sc0rpius | when you type a command and it shows an error, it's shown in stderr | 22:36 |
| Estel_ | without it, it isn't? | 22:36 |
| Sc0rpius | that's why a $(mount something) that fails is always empty | 22:36 |
| Estel_ | roger that | 22:37 |
| Sc0rpius | because there was no output to stdout | 22:37 |
| Sc0rpius | anyway like DocScrutinizer | 22:37 |
| Sc0rpius | said | 22:37 |
| Sc0rpius | you shouldn't compare strings | 22:37 |
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| Estel_ | because? | 22:37 |
| Sc0rpius | because that will only work in the language of your OS, if the script is for the masses, and people has their Maemo in spanish, it'll fail | 22:37 |
| Estel_ | roger roger... | 22:37 |
| Estel_ | so exit code approach is only one possible? | 22:38 |
| Sc0rpius | it's the best approach | 22:38 |
| Estel_ | and if mount give only 1 error code, but different string output? | 22:38 |
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| Sc0rpius | there are several return codes for mount, you can check against them and show different messages | 22:38 |
| Sc0rpius | there's a RETURN CODES section when you type: man mount | 22:39 |
| Estel_ | the point is, as You're probably aware, that it's different situation when no media found | 22:39 |
| Estel_ | I know | 22:39 |
| Estel_ | I'm asking just in case writing wrappers for poorlhy wrfitten program | 22:39 |
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| Estel_ | that can have different string output yet same error code | 22:39 |
| Estel_ | how to act in such situation? | 22:43 |
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| Sc0rpius | what are the different errors you get? | 22:44 |
| Estel_ | in this case, probably error codes work, but: | 22:44 |
| Estel_ | mount: mounting /dev/sr0 on /media/drom failed: no media found | 22:45 |
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| Estel_ | no media found is key part | 22:45 |
| Estel_ | but, it may be different in other languages | 22:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | LANG=C ls -l XXXxXxx | 22:52 |
| Estel_ | nice | 22:52 |
| Estel_ | thanks | 22:53 |
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| Estel_ | Sc0rpius, do You have ereswap installed, in any case? | 22:56 |
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| Estel_ | or, Your rcS-late is vanilla one? | 22:56 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, You have some vanilla N900, yep? Could You pastebin me content of vanilla rcS-late? | 22:57 |
| Estel_ | /etc/rcS-late | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry | 22:57 |
| Estel_ | fuck no | 22:57 |
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| Sc0rpius | it will be different in other languages. | 22:57 |
| Estel_ | /etc/event.d/rcS-late | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think this one isn't exactly vanilla | 22:57 |
| Estel_ | in fact I need just vanilla part enabling swap | 22:58 |
| Estel_ | + one line above and one under | 22:58 |
| Sicelo | Estel_: mine is unmodified, unless KP & CSSU modify it :\ | 22:59 |
| Estel_ | no, its ok | 22:59 |
| Sicelo | you lost the one i gave before? ;) | 22:59 |
| Estel_ | BTW DocScrutinizer 2nd questiob - I agree that shell operating language should be english, but how do You change it in N900? | 22:59 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, yes | 22:59 |
| Estel_ | dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't work | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | LANG=C ls -l XXXxXxx | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | generally speking: LANG=C <any_command> | 23:00 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, I have had to restore rootfs and optfs today | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sets $LANG to 'C' | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for that command, temporarily | 23:00 |
| Estel_ | yea. But for good? | 23:00 |
| Sicelo | you finally managed without reflash? | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | LANG=cz_CZ ;in .profile or whatever initfile | 23:01 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, sure thing, thanks to backupmenu | 23:01 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | even | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | export LANG=cz_CZ ;in .profile or whatever initfile | 23:02 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, strangely enough, my rootfs content was corrupted | 23:02 |
| Sicelo | http://paste.debian.net/170841/ | 23:02 |
| Estel_ | thanks | 23:02 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, last question, when I want to set it for this terminal session only, not single command or all? | 23:03 |
| Sicelo | yw. when you say rootfs content, you mean on N900, or the backupmenu-saved one? | 23:03 |
| Estel_ | N900 | 23:03 |
| Estel_ | had to reestore both optfs and rootfs | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | export LANG=cz_CZ | 23:03 |
| Estel_ | normally, optfs would be enough | 23:03 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I see | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | without export it won't take effect even for shellscripts you start from that shell | 23:04 |
| Estel_ | I see | 23:05 |
| Estel_ | odd enough, export LANG=pl_PL doesn't work for maemo | 23:06 |
| Estel_ | or it does | 23:06 |
| Estel_ | but special chars are screwed | 23:06 |
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| Estel_ | pl_PL.utf8 fix that | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: man -a locale | 23:07 |
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| Estel_ | Maemo got mans crippled | 23:07 |
| Estel_ | I'm on device, remember that. Will search in net | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | we got it uncrippled :-P | 23:08 |
| Estel_ | by MAG's package? | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (we = MohammadAG , me) | 23:08 |
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| Estel_ | I see. Will install it | 23:08 |
| Estel_ | noob noobish question, how to increase backscroll lines in osso-xterm | 23:09 |
| Estel_ | longer man's are cut in middle | 23:09 |
| Estel_ | even tar one | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | not here | 23:10 |
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| Estel_ | ^^^ ??? | 23:12 |
| nox- | just pipe it to less | 23:12 |
| Estel_ | hm? | 23:12 |
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| nox- | instead of scrolling the window | 23:13 |
| Estel_ | "pipe it to less" what does it mean? | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | isn't less a dependency in mandb-n900?? | 23:14 |
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| nox- | actually yes for man it should already be called, hmm | 23:14 |
| NIN101 | it means: command | less | 23:14 |
| nox- | yes, sorry | 23:14 |
| Estel_ | ok. what it does, actually? | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, I think not | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG | it should be installed, but I think I haven't depended on it | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG | anyway | 23:15 |
| nox- | lets you navigate thru a longer text, space one page forward, return one line, b one page back, / search, etc | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG | to increase backscroll, edit osso-xterm's gconf | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: apt-get install less | 23:16 |
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| Estel_ | nox-, thanks | 23:22 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, thanks a lot | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: h gor help | 23:22 |
| Estel_ | and path to osso-xterm's gconf is? or best way to find it myself? | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for* | 23:23 |
| Sicelo | /apps/osso/xterm/ | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | forget that | 23:23 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, thanks | 23:23 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ??? | 23:23 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, gconftool-2 --all-dirs /apps/osso/xterm fails | 23:27 |
| Sicelo | gconftool-2 -R /apps/oso/xterm | 23:28 |
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| Sicelo | *osso | 23:32 |
| Estel_ | thanks, my mistake | 23:34 |
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| Estel_ | on transreflective scren (N900), does drawing white or black generates different battery usage? | 23:48 |
| Estel_ | I know it's marginal, as backlight take most, but | 23:48 |
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