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| Estel_ | done: | 00:07 |
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| Estel_ | http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?ab99bbae8cde4d97#gxsaQxrg0cUaFWVEP+v/e2p5/BVqEtupw9GRDdBFyhk= | 00:07 |
| Estel_ | I suppose I haven't screwed anything replacing one word in line ;) | 00:07 |
| Sicelo | :P | 00:08 |
| Estel_ | hm | 00:09 |
| Estel_ | I wonder why, if it detects peripheral mode, just exits... | 00:09 |
| Estel_ | but if detect host mode yet no optical drive, it try to mount, actually | 00:09 |
| Estel_ | can't get it code-wise | 00:09 |
| Sicelo | peripheral mode.. i don't think it would need to do anything. i don't know, but to me, exiting is sensible.. | 00:10 |
| Estel_ | no, I mean something else | 00:12 |
| Estel_ | it should also exit when in host mode yet no optical drive | 00:12 |
| Estel_ | from code, it should also set e=1 | 00:12 |
| Estel_ | resulting in different banner value, yet same exit | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | instead, when hostmode but no optical, "e"= remains 0 | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: No, my first N950 overheated twice so I got it replaced | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | of course my noobish self can't find out why | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | My second never arrived | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, I see | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | My third has a creaking back | 00:13 |
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| Estel_ | wtf? they left You without replacement? | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | ah I see | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | ~Israel-sucks | 00:14 |
| infobot | methinks israel-sucks is http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | Meh, they deleted most of the fun stuff | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | infobot: Forget Israel-sucks | 00:15 |
| infobot | MohammadAG: i forgot israel-sucks | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | I just noticed it's empty | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | what was there initially? | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | Two days to reach Israel | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | Over 30 days clearance delay | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | ... | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | Then they asked me to make an FCC-like certificate | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | cute | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | So Nokia shipped me a third one, and asked for the second one back | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | using same shipping route? | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | Yes | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | And it worked | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | lovely | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | Israel's security is foolproof | 00:17 |
| Estel_ | and they got 2nd back, or someone from customs is enjoying N950? | 00:17 |
| Estel_ | yea | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | Especially since they thought my guitar amp was an explosive, and labelled it appropriately | 00:17 |
| Estel_ | =D not so funny in real life, I guess. | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | I didn't see Nokia sues Israel in local news so.. | 00:18 |
| Estel_ | maybe they thought You're going to play explosive music | 00:18 |
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| Estel_ | ;) | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | They got a robotic arm/bot to check it out | 00:18 |
| Estel_ | of course. Still, why explosive? | 00:18 |
| Estel_ | after all, it's good that they didn't concluded You're planning to use this "bomb" | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | Cause explosives look like cubes with volume, gain, delay and reverb on them | 00:20 |
| Estel_ | well, it's good that You've finally received Yur 3th N950... | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | Your* | 00:21 |
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| Estel_ | Sicelo: oh my, I've fixed it myself! now it exits properly on both peripheral and hostmode lacking optical drive | 00:23 |
| Estel_ | I feel godly ;) | 00:23 |
| Sicelo | :P | 00:23 |
| Sicelo | btw, i don't remember the full details, but blue_led's host-mode never worked for me.. | 00:24 |
| Estel_ | it's probably a matter of some mistakes | 00:24 |
| Estel_ | hes great guy, but tends to post stuff that, apparently, he didn't test himself | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | containing small errors | 00:25 |
| Sicelo | how do you use hostmode? blu_led's stuff, or h-e-n gui? | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | hopefully, final version with all bugs fixed ;) any suggestions about code cleanup etc welcome: | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?74592b27ce099bcd#cd9vp5aOmMtxZegpCKfNNDQ31t1uOWuqkcUQuzlLkDo= | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | hen gui or scripts themself, it depends | 00:26 |
| Estel_ | scripts itself* | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: (eject.sh) yw | 00:26 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks to "Your" -vx I was able to trace down next issue there - it's like gaining experience in good rpg ;) | 00:27 |
| Sicelo | Estel_: lemme trouble you a bit.. please give me the scripts, and order of execution.. | 00:27 |
| Estel_ | first You need to stop bme | 00:27 |
| Sicelo | yeah.. | 00:27 |
| Estel_ | damn, need to do some RL | 00:27 |
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| Sicelo | ow | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, could You explain him steps to use scripts without hen? | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | I'm must be off, sorry guys | 00:28 |
| Sicelo | np. thanks :) | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: what's your problem? | 00:29 |
| Sicelo | none.. but i'd love to use hostmode from terminal :-) | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | no problem, basically | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/hostmode-gui/0.3/ | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/h/hostmode-gui/hostmode-gui_0.3.tar.gz | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mainwindow.cpp | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | MainWindow::~MainWindow() is about stopping hostmode: | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | in shell: | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | boostoff | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo peripheral > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;; | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | MainWindow::hostmodeFS() -> set fullspeed: | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo hostf > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 00:36 |
| Sicelo | thanks. :) | 00:36 |
| Sicelo | \o/ | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | MainWindow::hostmodeLS() | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo hostl > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | MainWindow::hostmodeHS() | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo hosth > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | booston for VBUS 5V | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | void MainWindow::enumerate() | 00:37 |
| Sicelo | i had previously seen this file, but wondered what each of those commands do .. and i wasn't sure how i'd initiate enumeration -- https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/8237/hostmode-working.sh | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo F > /proc/driver/musb_hdrc | 00:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so initiating a proper highspped hostmode is: #> echo hosth > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode; sleep 1; booston&; sleep 8; echo F > /proc/driver/musb_hdrc | 00:39 |
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| Sicelo | perfect | 00:40 |
| Sicelo | :) | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...and simple | 00:40 |
| Sicelo | indeed ;) | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | the sleeps are a bit tricky | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes it takes even 30s after booston until ENUM will work | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on peripheral | 00:41 |
| Sicelo | i'll lengthen them .. because my device takes longer for most of the stuff i have | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | after ENUM succeeds it may take another 15s until mounting works | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | (btw same is true for any USB peripheral on my laptop as well, so nothing really h-e-n specific) | 00:42 |
| Sicelo | for me it's betwen booston and enum that i have to wait longest .. sometimes i get to the point that i must restart, when suddenly everything magically comes to life :P | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, we operate the metorgraphics MUSB core in OMAP3430 in a special testmode that basically disables all the automatic handling of shit, so you have to walk all that speedselection and enum stuff manually, and that can sometimes be cumbersome | 00:44 |
| Sicelo | well, this is the best hw/sw hack on N900, imo | 00:45 |
| Sicelo | :) | 00:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on a 'normal' USB host, when things don't work, you simply unplug and replug. I have to do that every now and then on my laptop as well. Just on N900 it's a bit more than just unplugging and replugging you need to do, you basically have to redo all the manual steps | 00:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and not forget to do all the steps associated with 'unplugging' | 00:46 |
| Sicelo | btw, is there a 'reset' command, for when i am done with al the hostmode things? | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, I mentioned it first | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-19 23:34:37] <DocScrutinizer> MainWindow::~MainWindow() is about stopping hostmode: | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-19 23:34:47] <DocScrutinizer> in shell: | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-19 23:34:54] <DocScrutinizer> boostoff | 00:47 |
| Sicelo | boostoff | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-19 23:35:03] <DocScrutinizer> echo peripheral > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 00:47 |
| Sicelo | :P | 00:47 |
| Sicelo | ah, | 00:47 |
| Sicelo | gotcha | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I always thought echo OTG > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode was the right thing to do, but well. Maybe this kernel needs peripheral there | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and don't forget to add a sleep 30 after boostoff ;-D | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | possibly even a >>start bme; sleep 1; stop bme;<< | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | as this will most probably discharge the capacitors on VBUS line | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't set/change hostmode speed (echo host[lfh] > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode) while vbus is 5V | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is the whole crux with friggin h-e-n | 00:53 |
| Sicelo | ah yeah :) | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | as you can't detect what'S right speed for peripheral _without_ vbus 5V | 00:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | another nasty detail of N900 (standard kernel) is ID pin isn't pulled up to 5V via resistor normally, so you have no chance to hw-detect plug in of a cable that grounds ID pin, to start hostmode automatically | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | but via shell, manually... it's straight simple as stealing a baby the lolly | 00:57 |
| merlin1991 | ID pin? | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: the 5th pin in mini/micro-USB | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | then pin that distinguishes A from B plugs for a A/B-receptacle | 00:59 |
| merlin1991 | okay :) | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | A-plugs are supposed to ground the ID | 00:59 |
| merlin1991 | I forgot about the extra pin on mini/micro-usb | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | OTG devices on seeing ID grounded are supposed to enter hostmode | 01:00 |
| merlin1991 | somehow my head has usb hardwired to 4 pins :D | 01:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now you may ask "why our micro-B-USB receptacle got an ID pin?". Well, simply because micro-B-*plugs* are supposed to fit into A/B-receptacles as well, and when they have 5 pins then also the micro-B receptacle has 5 pins of course | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they *could* have replaced the ID pin in micro-B-receptacles by a dummy, but oh well, a dummy probably is more expensive than a true contact | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OTOH meanwhile some USB-charger-specs exploit the ID pin for controlling the charger | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | you obviously want to do this for USB peripherals that usually have a micro-B-receptacle | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dafaq, wlan didn't notice me leaving the range of AP | 01:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | been on a AP that I left 30 min ago | 01:11 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 is raising big red regression-warning flag | 01:13 | |
| Sicelo | :O | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: shall I open a ticket for that? | 01:14 |
| merlin1991 | nah that's just ususal fail ;) | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | stock firmware tries to stay on an AP if it can still hear it, regardless if it can get a signal through | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hear it over 250m and three blocks? I doubt... | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | heck, it hardly keeps connection 20 m from AP | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | May 19 23:54:47 IroN900 kernel: [112213.386169] wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 19 23:54:48 IroN900 kernel: [112214.386047] wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 19 23:55:02 IroN900 kernel: [112227.643707] wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 19 23:55:02 IroN900 kernel: [112228.526794] wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 19 23:55:04 IroN900 kernel: [112229.675292] wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | zillions of such lines in syslog | 01:21 |
| merlin1991 | yep that's not wlancond | 01:23 |
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| merlin1991 | that's actually the kernel driver | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | accurate log of doom impact: http://paste.debian.net/170198/ | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | from then on loglines like above, 1/s avrg | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so what's the fuckup going on there? | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | and what to kick ass to fix that shite? | 01:31 |
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| merlin1991 | wl*** kernel module | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | (I'd even be willing to monitor syslog and trigger some modprobe -r&&modprobe in case too many of those lines spam in | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ) | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | wl1253.ko? | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | or firmware? | 01:33 |
| merlin1991 | probably | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, prolly firmware via wl1253.ko aiui | 01:33 |
| MrPingu | I have them too ;) | 01:34 |
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| MrPingu | always ignored it... I also encountered that wlan-bug. I was 15 KM from home and yet i was conencted with home AP :P | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: recovery (manually selecting AP) http://paste.debian.net/170201/ | 01:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MrPingu: CSSU? | 01:38 |
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| MrPingu | Yep testing flavour | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: ^^^ | 01:41 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: that part that claims the power save problems is stock maemo unless you have powerkernel | 01:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves with red regression-warning flag | 01:41 | |
| merlin1991 | in any case it's not cssus fault | 01:41 |
| MrPingu | I have those psm errors while I am on powerkernel and cssu... | 01:42 |
| merlin1991 | anything starting with "wlancond" might be cssus fault | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I see that's a line starting with May 19 23:55:02 IroN900 kernel: | 01:42 |
| merlin1991 | so I wouldn't say regression, but valid bug | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 20 00:09:37 IroN900 wlancond[1695]: Deauthenticating | 01:43 |
| MrPingu | Remember what I told about wlan yesterday? I wouldn't connect to AP until I rebooted | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 20 00:09:37 IroN900 kernel: [113103.380950] wlan0: deauthenticating by local choice (reason=3) | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 20 00:09:37 IroN900 EAP[21199]: EAP 2.0.39+0m5 quitting. | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | May 20 00:09:37 IroN900 wlancond[1695]: Setting BSSID 00:00:00:00:00:00 | 01:44 |
| MrPingu | and whole wlan was kinda weird as it didn't saw any AP at all (managed mode) | 01:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves and waves, like mad | 01:45 | |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: and why? | 01:46 |
| MrPingu | G2G, good night! | 01:46 |
| merlin1991 | ofc wlancond goes through the steps of deauthenticating and reauthenticating since you trigered it from userspace | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | wlancond is not tearing down association to BSSID when beacon lost | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | (see first pastebin) | 01:47 |
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| merlin1991 | because the driver ist still trying to probe back | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, see line 21ff >>May 19 23:22:12 IroN900 wlancond[1695]: Setting SSID: PALAIS<< in http://paste.debian.net/170198/ | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | line 27 >>May 19 23:22:13 IroN900 wlancond[1695]: SIOCGIWAP: bc:05:43:d2:4a:75<< is last sign of intelligent life of wlancond, before things go awry | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | then no more trace from wlancond until http://paste.debian.net/170201/ >60min later | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, more like 50min | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not claim it's definitely wlancond's fault, but at very least wlancond is *very* close to where things start to misbehave | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I for one suspect a race between re-association/re-authentication and device leaving range of AP, so this process gets stuck halfway and thus blocks proper detection of loss of connection | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | now you can try figure if that's wl1251's fault or wlancond's | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | something doesn't behave in a way the other half can act on that behaviour accordingly | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | neither could I say if that's a regression of wlancond in CSSU, or it's all the same in stock | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: makes sense? | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dnag, not intended to be THAT scary | 02:12 |
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| Sicelo | just a side note .. DocScrutinizer, the latest booston script on your server has a small typo ../sbin/stop bme 2>&1 | grep -q "bme (stop) killed" || _strart_bme_=$false | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | mind to disclose where's the typo? | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 02:19 |
| Sicelo | strart_bme | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I have to say this doesn't look like I ever typed it | 02:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lemme check that | 02:20 |
| Sicelo | i was trying to underline .. didn't work | 02:20 |
| * Sicelo is half-awake now | 02:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 02:20 |
| Sicelo | original line is /sbin/stop bme 2>&1 | grep -q "bme (stop) killed" || strart_bme=$false | 02:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer scratches head and wonders if now only God knows | 02:21 | |
| Sicelo | hmm :\ | 02:22 |
| Sicelo | should be start_bme instead of strart_bme .. the varialbe is used elsewhere in the script to determine whether or not to restart bme | 02:23 |
| merlin1991 | hm scary | 02:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: thanks, fixed | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what you get when you don't use proper code-coverage tools for testing your crap | 02:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders setting up some better editor support for shellscripts | 02:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | like not allowing any implicitly defined envs | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, there's "define" for some reason | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or, damn, is this a bashism again? :-o | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ $ define x | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | -sh: define: not found | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | WAAAH | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ $ declare x | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | -sh: declare: not found | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | not any better | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | so still WAAAH | 02:32 |
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| Sicelo | there's still something else about booston.. that line, aiui, should result in bme only being started on exit IF it was explicitly stopped by booston.. this suggests to me that if bme was already stopped, booston should not start it on exit. but that's what it does :\ | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, that's the idea | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have to admit I added that late in the developing process and never really tested it | 02:35 |
| Sicelo | bme is started on exit irregardless of it's previous state .. | 02:35 |
| Sicelo | maybe something in the 'if' block? or how the start_bme variable gets its value? | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# /sbin/stop bme 2>&1 | grep -q "bme (stop) killed" || echo "bme not stopped" | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# /sbin/stop bme 2>&1 | grep -q "bme (stop) killed" || echo "bme not stopped" | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme not stopped | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | second time it can't stop bme | 02:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: seems all ok according to my tests. You actually used the fixed version (without the typo)? | 02:43 |
| Sicelo | yeah. well, guess i must test further when i'm less sleepy | 02:45 |
| Sicelo | lol, yeah.. my stupidity this time -- i'm assuming /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-bme is bme :P | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: could you run it like >>debug=true booston<<? | 02:50 |
| Sicelo | yeah, it works fine. :) | 02:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer assumes this inline env declaration been invented before shell | 02:53 | |
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| Sicelo | g'nite | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya Sicelo | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks for spotting the bug | 02:57 |
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| LaoLang_cool | How to change the default alarm time in calendar? | 04:36 |
| LaoLang_cool | Everytime I create an event or change the event date, the alarm will be set to 15min, it's very annoying | 04:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hm? | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSCK apt | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | why is there no --force option for apt? | 05:10 |
| LaoLang_cool | hello | 05:11 |
| LaoLang_cool | How to change the default alarm time in calendar? Everytime I create an event or change the event to another date, the alarm will be set or reset to 15min, it's very annoying | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | hm? | 05:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_cool: sorry, seems there's no easy way to change that calendar behaviour. I checked binary and gconf, haven't seen any interesting value | 05:35 |
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| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer, thank you, n900's calendar is worse in usage :) | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, it has some strange usability issues | 05:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, apt-get is worse | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's completely useless since >> The following packages have unmet dependencies: hostmode-gui: Depends: kernel-feature-usbhost<< | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | NO way to fix this, it seems | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I wonder how to install wget, so I could download any package to install it via dpkg | 05:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | let's see how annoying HAM can get | 05:48 |
| ieatlint | mmm, ham | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck HAM "no space on device" | 05:49 |
| ieatlint | are you calling me fat? | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | no wget in HAM, of course | 05:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OMG http://thefuckingweather.com changed font to some awful serif | 05:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | new USB hotmode script: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1209444#post1209444 | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | hostmode even | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: ^^^ | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: ^^^ | 08:12 |
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| Sicelo | LaoLang_cool: 15 minutes in calendar? :\ | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: alarm time default is 15min before date | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: how do you like my script? | 09:46 |
| Sicelo | let me go there :) | 09:46 |
| LaoLang_cool | Sicelo, yes ;p | 09:47 |
| r00t|home | <DocScrutinizer> it's completely useless since >> The following packages have unmet dependencies: hostmode-gui: Depends: kernel-feature-usbhost<< | 09:48 |
| r00t|home | <DocScrutinizer> NO way to fix this, it seems | 09:48 |
| r00t|home | edit /var/lib/dpkg/status | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: thanks | 09:48 |
| r00t|home | just axe whatever dependancies you don't like, will persist until package is reinstalled... i do that all the time... | 09:49 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: \o/ | 09:53 |
| Sicelo | just one other question .. there's a couple of `if [ $notify ]` lines but it appears that $notify is never false anyway | 09:55 |
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| archeyDevil | Yay! | 09:57 |
| archeyDevil | Hello everyone :) | 09:57 |
| archeyDevil | Anyone know how to get irssi and ping working as a standard user? | 09:57 |
| psycho_oreos | suid | 09:58 |
| Sicelo | irssi should do so by default. at least mine did :\ | 09:58 |
| archeyDevil | :/ | 09:58 |
| psycho_oreos | and irssi shouldn't require root really | 09:58 |
| archeyDevil | Hmm.. | 09:59 |
| * archeyDevil opens vim on the config :P | 09:59 | |
| Sicelo | maybe you mean `screen` :P | 09:59 |
| Sicelo | which is broken for user. a 'fix' is somewhere in the bug-tracker | 09:59 |
| * archeyDevil fixed it | 10:00 | |
| archeyDevil | Over ssh. TERM=xterm irssi :P (doesn't like rxvt-unicode-256colors) | 10:00 |
| archeyDevil | Hmm.. Strange.. /channel -auto ##mychan freenode chanpass doesn't auto connect... | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: $notify is env that you either define differently in shellscript, or use >> notify="" start-hostmode | 10:02 |
| Sicelo | ah, gotcha :) | 10:03 |
| * Sicelo loves this | 10:03 | |
| * archeyDevil loves his Nokia n900 ( got it today ) Installed. Openssh, rootsh, irssi, vim, maybe a few other things.. But thats all that comes to mind atm :) | 10:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: same as $debug | 10:04 |
| * archeyDevil configured openssh to require keys :-) Anyone got openssh and letting passwords login? (gsm/3g/etc hackable) | 10:04 | |
| archeyDevil | bruteforce | 10:04 |
| Sicelo | problem with gui is that some "fool" might start h-e-n without even knowing what it is, and drain my battery doing nothing. or worse, still, connect a charger while h-e-n is active (not that i'm in the habit of sharing my N900) | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: debug=true start-hostmode | 10:05 |
| psycho_oreos | someone I don't think there's a likely chance you'll get hacked via 3G/GSM because most ISP runs NAT | 10:05 |
| archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: pfttt. | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: debug=true notify=false start-hostmode | 10:05 |
| archeyDevil | All you need is an ip and the ability to brute force. | 10:06 |
| psycho_oreos | archeyDevil, or if you really want to be extra paranoid, there's a thing called fail2ban | 10:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | not really, you can't SSH to your N900 or any other linux powered handhelds if they were only connected to 3G/GSM | 10:06 |
| archeyDevil | Meh | 10:06 |
| archeyDevil | Umm. Yes you can.. I did | 10:07 |
| psycho_oreos | which carrier? | 10:07 |
| Sicelo | you have a 'nice' carrier | 10:07 |
| archeyDevil | Exetel which uses optus lines. | 10:07 |
| psycho_oreos | indeed | 10:07 |
| * archeyDevil is happy :) | 10:07 | |
| psycho_oreos | they must be handing out static IP for GSM/3G owners | 10:07 |
| archeyDevil | Normally I don't have to worry about any uploads with this isp however mobile sadly includes upload :( | 10:08 |
| archeyDevil | Static ip is great :) | 10:08 |
| * Sicelo doesn't mind dynamic, as long as ports are open | 10:08 | |
| archeyDevil | Static for business plan w\ 2cents per meg :) | 10:08 |
| archeyDevil | All ports open :) | 10:08 |
| Sicelo | which is rarely ever the case | 10:09 |
| * psycho_oreos doesn't want to divulge into debating conflicts in interests but he has through crazy johns that goes through vodafail (ahem vodafone) network. For the records, no they don't do SSH forwarding so there's no direct access between his device and computer running on completely separate connections | 10:09 | |
| archeyDevil | XD Music it's polling out? I've got sshfs and I'm copying my music to my phone and it changes as the songs finish :) | 10:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hey, you know I could drain your battery in like 2h with a simple ping to your IP? | 10:10 |
| archeyDevil | Shouldn't do that.. | 10:11 |
| archeyDevil | Well. VERY slowly. | 10:11 |
| * archeyDevil doubts 2hrs | 10:11 | |
| archeyDevil | DocScrutinizer51: | 10:14 |
| Sicelo | he's just scaring you : | 10:16 |
| Sicelo | lol.. DocScrutinizer51 knows what he's saying | 10:16 |
| Sicelo | actually that's documented somewhere, tmo or wmo | 10:16 |
| psycho_oreos | most likely on tmo first | 10:17 |
| * archeyDevil loves his phone :) | 10:17 | |
| * archeyDevil got it for AU$120 of eBay XD | 10:17 | |
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| * archeyDevil laughs at mass storage mode :P (Will prevent me from using a section of the storage on my phone... sshfs ftw!) | 10:36 | |
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| archeyDevil | How to align the shortcuts in a grid of some sort? | 11:25 |
| archeyDevil | ?? | 11:27 |
| archeyDevil | :( | 11:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | I don't think you can with shortcuts on the desktop | 11:46 |
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| Sicelo | psycho_oreos: archeyDevil .. iirc Theme Customizer can do it.. although i can't swear to it | 13:20 |
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| Estel_ | archeyDevil, scp via ss gotone disadvantage - it's much slower than mass storage | 13:31 |
| Estel_ | if You're copying 8GB of music or videos it does matter ;) | 13:31 |
| Estel_ | although, it can be faster if You do it via usb connection and usb networking (still without mass storage) | 13:32 |
| Estel_ | slower than mass, but quite usable | 13:32 |
| Estel_ | it's also possible to do some fancy things like loopback image file for mass storage | 13:32 |
| Estel_ | even with auto adjusting size. But I havent tried/need it myself | 13:33 |
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| Estel_ | BTW, welcome to the world of real FOSS linux device ;) | 13:33 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks a lot, will test new script | 13:33 |
| Estel_ | I appreciate You rememberdd about me while posting it :) | 13:33 |
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| sLumPia | Hi, is this possible: talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1209438&postcount=486 | 13:38 |
| Sicelo | you could check via gconf .. if it's not there, your chances are slim | 13:44 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, You've said that it's not possible to sense what speed is ok for usb device, yet we can't do that without 5V | 13:45 |
| Estel_ | and with 5V we can't change speed | 13:45 |
| Estel_ | isn't it possible to write a script, that repeatedly enables whole procedure on different speeds | 13:45 |
| Estel_ | then stick to correct one? | 13:45 |
| Estel_ | alternatively, saves correct speed for pid&vid in database, creating personal user database of devices he is using | 13:46 |
| Estel_ | so, next time it's blazing fast | 13:46 |
| Estel_ | and "probing" for correct speed must be done only once | 13:46 |
| Estel_ | of course it should start with most likely speed i.e. high | 13:47 |
| Estel_ | so, it would save in database only for low speed or full speed | 13:47 |
| Estel_ | what do You think about concept, doable/feasible? doesn't sound like rocket science to me | 13:48 |
| Estel_ | + for Your auto script - when should we plug device? | 13:48 |
| Estel_ | just plug it and run script? won't it hurt that it was plugged before vbooston? | 13:49 |
| Estel_ | using hen gui, it makes enumerating fail | 13:49 |
| Estel_ | I must plug device *only* after vbooston (second or two after) | 13:49 |
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| Estel_ | never before | 13:49 |
| Estel_ | + could You just shamelessly upload bumped H-E-N version with improved booston script? | 13:51 |
| Estel_ | don't need to be maintainer to do that | 13:51 |
| Estel_ | it's sitting for a year on random post inside deepless hostmode thread | 13:51 |
| Estel_ | and IIRC replacing booston doesn't trigger need for updating gui | 13:52 |
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| sLumPia | Sicelo: thanks. i will check (i'm not familiar with gconf) | 13:56 |
| Sicelo | Estel_: i think that's what blue_led does .. wrt speed | 13:57 |
| Sicelo | but the problem is also on N900 .. because i was explicitly doing High-Speed .. but syslog shows 12M stuf.. | 13:58 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, yea, but blue_led script doesn't work + hes not keeping database, so it need to re-try every time | 13:59 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, hm | 14:00 |
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| MrPingu | Docscrutinizer, you are rignt something is unstable in some part of wlan0 | 15:10 |
| MrPingu | I was browsing with MicroB, suddenly wlan disconnected and wanted to reconnect but no go | 15:11 |
| Estel_ | never ever encountering anything like that | 15:12 |
| MrPingu | Hmm other AP then, well same problem. Another AP, no go. I wouldn't connect to any AP anymore. | 15:12 |
| MrPingu | *it | 15:12 |
| Hurrian | MrPingu, must be you then, never experienced crash in wl1251 driver even with hours of downloading | 15:13 |
| MrPingu | Then decided to load bleeding edge drivers, to see if driver was crashed but even with loading bleeding edge and even unloading again | 15:13 |
| MrPingu | Rebooted, everything was fine | 15:13 |
| MrPingu | I have dmesg logs and I was standing next to all tested APs | 15:14 |
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| MrPingu | Anyway, nothing should bust wlan... Besides I didn't do anything special | 15:22 |
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| felipec | merlin1991: I found what NetworkManager is doing, it's using the modem directly, so to the same from the command line wvdial can be used :) | 15:47 |
| felipec | through /dev/ttyACM0 | 15:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: you can't use database as you don't get *any* info before VBUS, and you can't change speed _after_ | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: the script is meant to be run (and tested for) _after_ plugging in peripheral | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: if your peripheral doesn't provide own VBUS via extremely cheap&crappy circuitry for supplementary powersupply, there will be no way for N900 or peripheral to detect it's been plugged in as long as no VBUS from N900 boost | 16:32 |
| Macer | damn | 16:33 |
| Macer | had a hard drive going bad | 16:33 |
| Macer | replaced it | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | if however the peripheral _is_ providing 5V to VBUS, you actually will see problems when plugging in too early | 16:33 |
| Macer | rebuilding the raid.. a 2nd hard drive has bad sectors | 16:33 |
| Macer | great :) | 16:33 |
| Macer | nothing it couldn't fix during the rebuild by remapping the bad ones but still | 16:33 |
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| Macer | now i have to rma, wait for return, replace the 2nd bad one, send 2nd one out for rma | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | same brand and build of drives? | 16:34 |
| Macer | yes | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | swap all | 16:34 |
| Macer | i can't... have to keep the raid live | 16:34 |
| Macer | i can swap one at a time tho | 16:34 |
| Macer | i replaced one of the WD with a Seagate 3TB | 16:34 |
| Macer | and am working on boxing the first WD to go out :( | 16:35 |
| Hurrian | rebuilding RAIDs? frickin slow on volumes filled to the brim with content | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | apropos raid: you know (some) HDD will drastically reduce throughput even on *shouting* near the rack? ;-P | 16:37 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, problem could easily be solved by 5v USB power supply and Y-cable | 16:38 |
| * Hurrian gets new idea: built-in mintyboost for N900? | 16:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: I don't see how that's solving the problem I described above | 16:39 |
| Macer | Hurrian: i know :( | 16:39 |
| Macer | i've been rebuilding this one for like.... 10 hours so far and it's only 45% | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | au contraire it will exactly create the situation that's problematic | 16:39 |
| Macer | i don't think size matters... it still has to run through the drive and put the parity on it | 16:39 |
| Macer | size/amount of data | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Macer: for background rebuild that sounds... normal | 16:41 |
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| Macer | DocScrutinizer: yeah it is | 16:42 |
| Macer | it's a 3TBx4 raid 5 | 16:42 |
| Macer | my 1TBx8 took like.... 24hrs or so to rebuild when i swapped a drive on it | 16:42 |
| Macer | this synology's 128MB of ram is murder tho | 16:43 |
| Macer | i might get a higher end qnap and shove 1TB drives into the synology and give it to my parents :) | 16:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if a dd if=raid of=/dev/null will speed up things | 16:46 | |
| Macer | haha | 16:46 |
| Macer | no.. it won't ;) | 16:47 |
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| jacekowski | 1TB drives are for kids | 16:51 |
| jacekowski | i'm thinking about upgrading my 3TB to 4TB drives | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm waiting for my 'new' laptop with 500G drive ;-D | 16:52 |
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| Hurrian | jacekowski, waiting for prices to drop, then the 2TB drives get swapped | 17:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: I could update h-e-n *if* I had the original pkg. The original pkg though is somewhere on moh's PC (or in nirvana) | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | **VOTE!** http://bit.ly/JmchJM !! | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: (and btw NFC about packaging and delivery here ;-D ) | 17:36 |
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| cityLights | is anyone here from spain? which 3G sim should I buy for one week vacation? | 17:43 |
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| kent_autistic | any tmo mods in here? please please close this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84366 | 17:46 |
| kent_autistic | ^ another whatsapp thread | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: ^^^ | 18:31 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, but, isn't int possible to download sources from package interface? IIRC sources used by autobuilder are there too | 18:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess some sources for sure can get downloaded, but as mentioned before, NFC here. I just know you need to prepare some files for upload, and sign them and whatnot | 18:37 |
| Estel_ | no, no signing | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | see? so I suggest *you* do it ;-) | 18:38 |
| Estel_ | sign if You want to upload as MAG | 18:38 |
| Estel_ | ok, will try :D | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're more experienced than me | 18:38 |
| Estel_ | but but | 18:38 |
| Estel_ | I gaine it while uploading truecrypt | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll happily review the pkg before you upload it | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you ping MohammadAG | 18:39 |
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| Estel_ | ok | 18:40 |
| Estel_ | but but don't expect it very soon, I suxx at providing proper build enviromnent ;) | 18:41 |
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| Estel_ | = I can upload it only if I'm actually able to build in and dpkg drop proper source packages | 18:44 |
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| Estel_ | so preparing proper build envo will take a while. Of course I'll send them for review | 18:45 |
| Estel_ | ... unless it will turn out to be much easier to bug MAG to just upload fixed version, as he already got build env ;) | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ping | 18:47 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer, Estel_ original source http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/hostmode-gui/0.3/ | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | the source isn't the porblem | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-19 23:32:09] <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo: http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/hostmode-gui/0.3/ | 18:49 |
| merlin1991 | oh :D | 18:49 |
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| merlin1991 | hm can't find a problem then, what's the change you want todo? | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ship another booston script with the pkg | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, the problem basically is I got no clue how to use SB and the whole upload process | 18:51 |
| merlin1991 | that's easy, take the .tar and .dsc from the page, add an entry to debian/changelog add the new booston script, adjust the hashes and version in the dsc and use the webuploader :D | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | and my PC here is basically in EOL maintenance mode | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 18:52 |
| merlin1991 | and I'm pretty sure even in eol mode you can run tar, md5sum and vi ;) | 18:52 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, pong | 19:07 |
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| kerio | ls | 19:23 |
| kerio | whoops | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | mplayer /home/user/porn.mp4 | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | whoops | 19:24 |
| sLumPia | you actually named your porn porn.mp4? pffft...amateur | 19:28 |
| sLumPia | :p | 19:28 |
| kerio | mplayer /home/user/MyDocs/MohammadAG_s_mom.rm | 19:29 |
| kerio | whoops | 19:29 |
| Estel_ | I'm going to repeat myself, but most epic typo I remember was done by me - instead of "at least she gave You moral satisfaction" I've written "at least she gave you oral satisfaction" | 19:30 |
| Estel_ | in fact it was written in polish, but, moral and oral meaning are same | 19:31 |
| kerio | ~assrage | 19:31 |
| kerio | no, how do you do this | 19:31 |
| Estel_ | ~kerio | 19:31 |
| kerio | Estel_: SpeedEvil's ass rage mode beats your typo | 19:31 |
| Estel_ | I'm not sure, but, what was it about? | 19:31 |
| kerio | although i'm not sure if it was intended | 19:31 |
| kerio | he meant mass storage | 19:32 |
| kerio | but he skipped m and sto | 19:32 |
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| Estel_ | sounds like intended | 19:32 |
| kerio | still | 19:32 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, could You please push to repos hen with just boosted version number AND new booston script by DocScrutinizer ? | 19:33 |
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| Estel_ | this booston was well tested, it's year old and made many people happy. unfort. only those reading tmo, cause it's not in repos | 19:33 |
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| MrPingu_ | Yeah, i missed that script :P | 20:08 |
| MrPingu_ | I think I should thank you, for pointing to that script... | 20:09 |
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| Estel_ | MrPingu_, exactly. Even involved people could miss it | 20:32 |
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| Estel_ | merlin1991, You said that re-building isn't necessary for such small change? | 20:33 |
| Estel_ | just adjust hashes manually? | 20:33 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: if you know what debhelper does you don't ever need to "build" a sourcepackage :D | 20:34 |
| merlin1991 | and in this case you even have all the ingredients ready so adjust the changelog, boostscript and hashes and you're good to go | 20:34 |
| Estel_ | I'm pretty green on all of this packaging/autobuilder stuff | 20:34 |
| Estel_ | ok, will do that. Why not? what c o u l d go wrong? :P | 20:35 |
| Estel_ | but, I got some things on my device, that I'm sure would make life of other people easier | 20:35 |
| merlin1991 | well it's quite easy, the autobuilder expects the source in a certain format, if you keep it that way it doesn't matter how you've built your sourcepackage :D | 20:35 |
| Estel_ | mainly things containing of sh scripts sets + .desktop, icons etc | 20:35 |
| merlin1991 | only building the actual .debs is a bit harder though even that can be done without sb (if there are no arm binaries needed) | 20:36 |
| Estel_ | some made from scratch, some based on work of others. Never uploaded to repos. I would like to put them there | 20:36 |
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| Estel_ | You say there is easy way to do that without build enfiromnent? | 20:36 |
| Estel_ | envi* | 20:36 |
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| Estel_ | as for .debs it can be done via dpkg-build, yep? | 20:37 |
| Estel_ | or smth like that. I'm rather interested about what You've said about repositories | 20:37 |
| Estel_ | any easy way to transform my "programs" containing just few sh scripts, icon .desktop and, sometimes, sudoers, into working package in repo? | 20:38 |
| merlin1991 | sure | 20:38 |
| merlin1991 | though it's easier with the scratchbox at hand since you can test things :D | 20:39 |
| Estel_ | of course, but don't know why I always got something with higher priority than setting scratchbox properly :/ | 20:39 |
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| Estel_ | always promising myself that I'll do it one day | 20:39 |
| lokimotive | hey | 20:39 |
| Estel_ | hi lokimotive | 20:40 |
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| Estel_ | so, merlin1991, sorry for bothering You with questions, but I fail to get how to transform my "bunch of files" into tars as expected by autobuilder | 20:40 |
| Estel_ | I understand .desc and hashes | 20:41 |
| Estel_ | changelog etc | 20:41 |
| merlin1991 | inside the tar.gz there is a folder debian | 20:41 |
| merlin1991 | which has a "rules" file | 20:41 |
| merlin1991 | this one is invoked by the builder | 20:41 |
| Estel_ | ok, so basically I need to grab some random source package from repos, check structure | 20:42 |
| merlin1991 | yea | 20:42 |
| Estel_ | and reversee-enginer it to prepare mine in same way | 20:42 |
| Estel_ | thanks a lot | 20:42 |
| merlin1991 | also if there are more then lets say 30 lines in the rules file pick another one :D | 20:42 |
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| Estel_ | thought about it but never tried, for reasons unknown I thought it's more complicated | 20:43 |
| merlin1991 | a good example is this: rules file https://gitorious.org/~merlin1991/quassel/quassel2go-harmattan/blobs/master/debian/rules | 20:43 |
| merlin1991 | and a .install file to say which files to have in the .deb https://gitorious.org/~merlin1991/quassel/quassel2go-harmattan/blobs/master/debian/quassel2go.install | 20:43 |
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| Estel_ | thanks a lot again, will check them | 20:44 |
| merlin1991 | you basically can drop everything but the %: step :D | 20:44 |
| merlin1991 | (in the rules file) | 20:44 |
| Estel_ | so all of those scare make options are irrelevant in my case... I get it | 20:45 |
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| merlin1991 | yeah it's just for my package :D | 20:46 |
| Estel_ | noobish noob mode question - %: step is just line after it, or to the end of file? | 20:46 |
| merlin1991 | it's a makefile | 20:47 |
| merlin1991 | thus of it goes from %: untill the first empty newline ;) | 20:47 |
| Estel_ | i.e. it end @ dh --buildsystem... | 20:47 |
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| Estel_ | I see, so override_dh also doesnt apply here | 20:48 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 20:48 |
| merlin1991 | keep in mind you need the debian/control file aswell | 20:48 |
| Estel_ | of course | 20:49 |
| trumee | I understand qt-components are available in CSSU. Does it mean i can use "import com.nokia.meego 1.0" in qml? | 20:49 |
| merlin1991 | trumee: nope | 20:49 |
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| merlin1991 | unless you add the qt-components package from extras-devel | 20:49 |
| merlin1991 | it provides the harmattan components aswell afaik | 20:50 |
| trumee | merlin1991: i want to use the PageStackWindow. Otherwise creating severe pages will be a struggle | 20:50 |
| trumee | s/severe/several | 20:50 |
| Estel_ | ok, I'm starting to mess with all of this by doing trivial nobrainer foolproof updating of HEN - all hostmode users can start to fear already ;) | 20:52 |
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| lokimotive | is it possible to control the status led on the n900 via dbus? | 21:00 |
| lokimotive | i only found this: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-activate-led but the command doesn't seem to work | 21:01 |
| lokimotive | i get no error - it just does nothing | 21:01 |
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| Estel_ | merlin1991, pgp signature etc in .dsc file doesn't matter? | 21:03 |
| merlin1991 | yep you can upload unsinged packages aswell | 21:03 |
| Estel_ | so for: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/h/hostmode-gui/hostmode-gui_0.3.dsc | 21:03 |
| Estel_ | I can delete parts related to pgp? | 21:03 |
| merlin1991 | I'm not 100% sure but I think so | 21:04 |
| Estel_ | will compare that to truecrypt .dsc and adjust accordingly | 21:04 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 21:19 |
| Venemo | Estel_: ping | 21:19 |
| Estel_ | Venemo, pong | 21:20 |
| Venemo | what's up Estel_ ? :) | 21:20 |
| * Estel_ is working on uploading update to hostmode | 21:20 | |
| Estel_ | but, I'm sure You're pinged me on purpose, so, lets go straight to the merit :) | 21:21 |
| Venemo | I was just looking for someone to chat with, and your name popped into my head :P | 21:21 |
| Venemo | an a more serious note though | 21:21 |
| Venemo | do you know how I can apply for the new device program? | 21:21 |
| Estel_ | it depends on which category | 21:22 |
| Venemo | well, I haven't found details on any of them yet | 21:23 |
| Estel_ | community awards - as recognition for past deeds. New Council will decide winners, only self-nominations, without reasoning (people deserving one are known enough to the Council) | 21:25 |
| Estel_ | coding competition - search for approriate thread on tmo | 21:25 |
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| Estel_ | Nokia Store and QT5 categories (total of 2) - see " '12 device program" thread in tmo, qgil is managing those | 21:26 |
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| Venemo | yep, I'm reading both threads | 21:29 |
| Venemo | no clear info on entering | 21:29 |
| Venemo | hrm | 21:31 |
| Venemo | I also see that there's been a lot going on in TMO since last time I checked | 21:32 |
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| Estel_ | qt and nokia store not defined yet, qgil is to start them soon | 21:34 |
| Estel_ | cc same, but managed by cc team (who?) | 21:34 |
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| Estel_ | community awards - I proposed to start receiving submittions now, as new council will decide, not needed to wait with starting | 21:35 |
| Estel_ | yet, no one answered ;) | 21:35 |
| Venemo | mmhm | 21:36 |
| Venemo | who's the council? | 21:36 |
| Venemo | I've been kinda out of the loop for a long time | 21:36 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, could You please link me (or pastebin) to any .dsc file of maemo package *not* from maemo.org package interface? It seems that every from "source" is tagged via pg internally in autobuilder | 21:36 |
| Estel_ | I'm sure I haventb signed one for truecrypt, just sent them via scp using my public keys, yet, result is same as with hen .dsc | 21:37 |
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| Estel_ | I'm sure You have one from Your projects ;) | 21:37 |
| Estel_ | Venemo, next Council not decided, we're having election now, from 16th may to 23th may | 21:38 |
| Venemo | ah | 21:38 |
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| Venemo | so that's why got a mail about voting on them? | 21:38 |
| Estel_ | well, mail was quite self-explanatory :P | 21:38 |
| Estel_ | yea | 21:38 |
| Estel_ | "them" as "them" - I'm also candidate ;) | 21:38 |
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| Venemo | I see | 21:39 |
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| Venemo | ok, you've got a vote :P | 21:44 |
| Estel_ | thanks ;) | 21:45 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: http://paste.debian.net/170306/ | 21:46 |
| Estel_ | thanks a lot. Why the hell hen .dsc got same file hashed 2 times | 21:47 |
| Estel_ | with different sums? 0_o | 21:47 |
| merlin1991 | huh? | 21:48 |
| Estel_ | so for: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/h/hostmode-gui/hostmode-gui_0.3.dsc | 21:48 |
| Estel_ | erm, I think I answered myself | 21:48 |
| Estel_ | first time it's sha1 sum | 21:48 |
| Estel_ | later, md5sum | 21:49 |
| merlin1991 | yea :D | 21:49 |
| Estel_ | I can skip sha1, yep? | 21:49 |
| merlin1991 | be happy on ubuntu they even have a sha256 sum additionally xD | 21:49 |
| merlin1991 | just do both | 21:49 |
| merlin1991 | better be safe | 21:49 |
| Estel_ | ok, should be easy from N900 eh? | 21:50 |
| Estel_ | I'm doing all on device :P | 21:50 |
| Estel_ | md5 sum is trivial, I must just find something to sha1 | 21:50 |
| Estel_ | btw Your .dsc doesn't contain sha1 :P | 21:50 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 21:51 |
| merlin1991 | sha1sum? | 21:51 |
| Estel_ | lol | 21:51 |
| Estel_ | thanks ;) | 21:51 |
| Estel_ | don't You think it's sad that after two years (latest hen update) it's done via me? :P | 21:51 |
| Estel_ | for me it's great, I'm gaining experience | 21:51 |
| Estel_ | but imagine inasion of such noobs on repos when I document uploading to repos in a way that finally will be understandable | 21:52 |
| Estel_ | devel will become real -devel again | 21:52 |
| Estel_ | don't enter without forcefield and small arsenal :P | 21:53 |
| Venemo | Estel_: what do you mean? -devel has always been like that | 21:53 |
| Estel_ | not necessary true | 21:54 |
| Estel_ | very average joe have -devel enabled now, if not just because many stable packages are stuck there | 21:54 |
| Estel_ | due to absent maintainers, lack of votes or whatsnot | 21:54 |
| Venemo | yep | 21:55 |
| Venemo | that was the case a year ago too | 21:55 |
| Venemo | at some point, the devs didn't really feel like pushing their apps to extras for that very reason. | 21:56 |
| Venemo | if everyone has -devel enabled, why bother with that voting thing anyway? | 21:57 |
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| RST38h | Venemo: Because it makes you feel legit ? :) | 22:09 |
| Venemo | RST38h: yep, I agree, I was just sayin what those guys were thinking | 22:10 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Because there may still be a few old-guard policy-making fans who LOVE creating policies for people and insisting that everyone obeys? | 22:10 |
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| Venemo | well, this reminds me that I should've pushed Puzzle Master 2.0 to the Maemo 5 repos | 22:11 |
| Venemo | but I don't have an N900 to test it | 22:12 |
| Venemo | meh | 22:13 |
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| Venemo | I'm not pushing untested software | 22:15 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, it was necessary to remove i2c line from boostoff? Why You haven't mentioned that? | 22:21 |
| Estel_ | any risk was involved in using boostoff *without* removing that line in conjuction with new booston | 22:22 |
| Estel_ | ? | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | just useless double reset of charger chip | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I published that improved booston to be compatible with former stuff, so it actually is. Doesn't mean it's optimal way to integrate it | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | in fact I was thinking about en even niftier setup where booston and boostoff are hardlinks (or symlinks) to same file, and you'd need no boostoff script at all. But I was too lazy and didn't want to "brag" with over-sophisticated stuff | 22:25 |
| Estel_ | I see | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | I see | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | well, funny thing. No one uploaded it for half year, then, I uploaded it with mag independently | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | fortunatelly, he made higher version number, so autobuilder wont vomit on us | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I asked you to ask for a review | 22:27 |
| Estel_ | yea, but I got nothing to review, as merlin teached me to do it without building actual package | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite obviously this eview was meant to happen _before_ upload to repo | 22:27 |
| Estel_ | just grabbing current sources, replacing booston, adjusting version number, changelog and hashes | 22:27 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 22:27 |
| Estel_ | entirely true. I just wasn't sure what is to review here, Your own new booston? | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | the whole package | 22:28 |
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| Estel_ | if I would do it with building package, I would surely sent it | 22:28 |
| Estel_ | no package in my case, unnecessary for uploading, even if it sounds crazy | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | beginning with "my own" booston which you might have picked an old version | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | to version number | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | to changelog | 22:29 |
| Estel_ | no, no, just latest published | 22:29 |
| Estel_ | but I got the point | 22:29 |
| Estel_ | but I get Your point* | 22:29 |
| Estel_ | well, if You would like someone to upload something without any respect to risk management, You can always count on me ;) | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | on reviewing changelog I would've recalled the boostoff stuff | 22:31 |
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| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if the bug with enabled --filebox is still unfixed | 22:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^^ | 22:34 |
| teotwaki_ | Jaffa: around? | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh dang, and we should've added a postinstall to edit mce.ini to include the PatternVBoost | 22:36 |
| Jaffa | teotwaki_: Yup | 22:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi Jaffa | 22:37 |
| teotwaki_ | Jaffa: can I pick your brain regarding some software architecture questions? | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: o/ | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | teotwaki_: Sure | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | teotwaki_: Travelling tomorrow so about to go and spend time with the missus. Would email conversation be OK? | 22:38 |
| teotwaki_ | ok, so, I use ZMQ to provide IPC (in a kind of erlang-messaging fashion) | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: you ever even noticed the indicator pattern that booston comes with now? | 22:38 |
| Jaffa | teotwaki_: Shiny | 22:38 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, of course | 22:38 |
| teotwaki_ | Jaffa: sure, I'll send you an email tomorrow then | 22:38 |
| Jaffa | teotwaki_: That OK? | 22:38 |
| teotwaki_ | yeah, no worries, not on a deadline or anything, go have fun :) | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: so how are users updating to new h-e-n supposed to get to know about, and handle/install it? | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: we at very least should've mentioned the needed steps in changelog | 22:39 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, via changelog ;) | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: though I prefer a postinstall script with a few sed cmds | 22:40 |
| Estel_ | but why not to do this postinst? | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're too slow ;-P | 22:40 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, package haven't gone thorough autobuilder anyway | 22:40 |
| Estel_ | :P | 22:40 |
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| Estel_ | no update yet | 22:40 |
| Estel_ | we're still @ status quo | 22:40 |
| Estel_ | not queyed even | 22:40 |
| Estel_ | autobuilder just told both of us to GTFO, or, in fact, haven't told anything, nor accepted updates | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | mine got through and built fine | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | yours, didn't | 22:41 |
| Estel_ | oh. You've said otherwise a minute ago ;) | 22:42 |
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| Estel_ | well, probably I uploaded lower version after Your higher | 22:42 |
| Estel_ | 0.3-1 vs 0.4-1 | 22:42 |
| Estel_ | vs old 0.3 in repos | 22:43 |
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| Estel_ | MohammadAG, could You please zerobin me a proper .changelog? | 22:44 |
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| Estel_ | I'm going to scavenge it for edu purposes that will result in me uploading some stuff that aren't in repos | 22:45 |
| Estel_ | that people are bugging me to do for ages, and I was never desperate enough to install scratchbox properly ;) | 22:45 |
| Estel_ | I mean not changelog from inside /debian | 22:45 |
| Estel_ | but changelog as per autobuilder needs | 22:45 |
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| Estel_ | merlin1991, ^ above request also apply to You, if You could | 22:52 |
| Estel_ | without it, ham/fapman doesn't show changelog, and changelog can't be pulled from sources in package interface | 22:53 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: changelog as per autobuilder needs is the changelog in debian/ | 22:53 |
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| MrPingu_ | Whats the best solution to create a high quality screencast of N900 screen? | 23:15 |
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| Estel_ | merlin1991, thanks a lot | 23:17 |
| MrPingu_ | My intention is to record a good video on cleven, faircrack, wifite and aircrack-ng. Yet I have no idea how I should capture the screen... | 23:18 |
| Kilroo | Hook up the TV-out cable to your DVR? | 23:18 |
| Estel_ | very funny | 23:18 |
| Kilroo | ...I have no idea. | 23:18 |
| merlin1991 | just use gstreamer to sink it? | 23:19 |
| Estel_ | I remember someone asked about it ages ago and got working, satisfying answer... yet can' remember it, something with gstreamer sink | 23:19 |
| Estel_ | oh, this :D | 23:19 |
| merlin1991 | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Capture_movie_directly_from_N9/N950_screen#Merlin1991_-_package_name_and_repository_for_gst-launch | 23:19 |
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| Estel_ | who remember which file I need to delete, in order to make N900's menu re-arange itself alphabeically? | 23:21 |
| Estel_ | alphabetically* | 23:21 |
| MrPingu_ | that's harmattan stuff? | 23:22 |
| merlin1991 | applys to maemo5 aswell | 23:22 |
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| MrPingu_ | oh I see, I am on device missed the command in the IRClog, Im sorry | 23:24 |
| MrPingu_ | How does it affect performance? | 23:25 |
| merlin1991 | well if you don't save to an sd it probably is goign to be quite laggish | 23:26 |
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| MrPingu_ | Hmm I have swap on sd | 23:27 |
| MrPingu_ | Best way is to enable swap on emmc, write movie to sd and do my thing... | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc cpu load applet comes with screenshot and screencast | 23:28 |
| Sicelo | MrPingu_: also have a look at load-applet .. has a screencast option | 23:28 |
| Sicelo | :P | 23:28 |
| Sicelo | ah, DocScrutinizer beat me to it ;) | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | though it often been more jerky than anything else for me | 23:28 |
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| MrPingu_ | Well I thought it didn't work, from what google told me | 23:29 |
| MrPingu_ | I think will go the gstreamer way | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think the AV-cable approach & VCR/DVR is a good one | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | VDR even | 23:31 |
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| MrPingu | Really, sorry if you see an flying AP | 23:34 |
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| MrPingu | The damn thing just crashed again, as always... | 23:34 |
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| Estel_ | I just wonder how much hassle would it take to update recaller, allowing it to record in ogg | 23:35 |
| Estel_ | not only aac, wav and flac (flac doesn't work for me and never have been - I'm trying to figure out now why) | 23:36 |
| MrPingu | DVR, seems a good one. However have to check if thing has a AV in... | 23:36 |
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| Estel_ | although keep in mind that Your video will be @ pal resolution at best | 23:37 |
| Estel_ | = little blurred | 23:37 |
| Estel_ | with too much contrast etc | 23:37 |
| Estel_ | I would do gstreamer way | 23:37 |
| MrPingu | Probably, as I can be nearer to the AP for better hacking results ;) | 23:38 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 23:38 |
| Estel_ | haven't You though about spending 30$ on wrt54gl router? | 23:39 |
| Estel_ | linux powered, solid as nothing I've seen... | 23:39 |
| MrPingu | I'm forced to stay with the one of my provider, which is unfortunately modem+router =( | 23:40 |
| Estel_ | moddable - people are making helis, airplanes, rc cars and ehatsnot using it :P | 23:40 |
| Estel_ | I see. I was in such situation, so I used modem and my router connected to it's router | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: I'd *really* *really* appreciate recaller fixed to not go apeshit when storage low. It simply never stops notification of "ongoing record" | 23:40 |
| Estel_ | won't heko if their router crashes, though | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | also sometimes it actually forgets to stop recording at end of call | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | resulting in GB of .wav | 23:41 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, beyond my skills, I'm just thinking about interesting some talented dev to look at it | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I almost did already, as it's so annoying | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | *almost* :-P | 23:41 |
| Estel_ | :P who You've bugged? or tried Yourself? | 23:42 |
| MrPingu | The end of the summer we should get a direct fiber 120mb connection :) So then I start looking for a good router and it seems you already suggested me a nice one ;) | 23:42 |
| Estel_ | MrPingu, it's great one, although some might argue that it's old | 23:42 |
| Estel_ | I mean, no n | 23:42 |
| Estel_ | a/b/g | 23:42 |
| Estel_ | no usb and such fancy stuff | 23:42 |
| MrPingu | ah don't need usb, our printer as direct LAN ;) | 23:43 |
| MrPingu | *has | 23:43 |
| Estel_ | although, there are more recent ones using same custom linuxes (Openwrt for max powa or tomato for ease and hassle-free usage) | 23:43 |
| Estel_ | nice | 23:43 |
| Estel_ | if You don't need wireless N, You won't ever need anything more than wrt54gl | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | MrPingu: you _always_ can disable WLAN of such modem-router things | 23:44 |
| MrPingu | My dad was sick of our inkjet, so one day he came home with an A3 laserprinter | 23:44 |
| Estel_ | just be arefull with wrt54gs and wrt54g - some of them are as reliable, and some castrated, depends on serial number | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | then hook up decent AP to ethernet | 23:44 |
| MrPingu | Well it's actually the whole modem that crashes | 23:45 |
| teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: if the wav recording is done properly, it should only use 8KB/s, or 29MB/hour. | 23:45 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, suggested same thing, although won't help if first ap crashes as whole | 23:45 |
| MrPingu | very annoying, fif you are calling | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | teotwaki_: fine | 23:45 |
| Estel_ | teotwaki, fine, but I like to use recaller for other things than calls recording too | 23:45 |
| Estel_ | and, btw, it's not done right | 23:46 |
| MrPingu | Estel_ that's what I meant | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | teotwaki_: after 4 days that's >1GB | 23:46 |
| Estel_ | it's jjust plan waw without cutting frequency etc | 23:46 |
| Estel_ | I want ogg for recording from fm radio | 23:46 |
| teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: FYI, phone recording shouldn't, for most intents and purposes, be done at anything else than 8-bit 8kHz. | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | tell that an EE ;-P | 23:46 |
| Estel_ | ^agree, yet recaller doesn't "know" that | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | though actually for the 8bit I tend to disagree | 23:47 |
| teotwaki_ | good point -- VoIP engineer reflexes. | 23:47 |
| MrPingu | Anyway hope to do that cleven, faircrack thingy to do very soon, and kill the useless questions in these threads forever :) | 23:47 |
| Estel_ | ^agree, yet recaller doesn't "know" that | 23:47 |
| Estel_ | MrPingu, good try, but it will raise even more questions | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: you recently installed an echo? ;-) | 23:48 |
| Estel_ | noobs of facepalm level MORE would try to touch it as "seen on tv", because they haven't understood it without pictures | 23:48 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, :P | 23:48 |
| Estel_ | MrPingu, they will fa8l even with direct video, and start asking like | 23:49 |
| Estel_ | "itsa doesn t u work me could u hlp?" | 23:49 |
| teotwaki_ | faeightl? | 23:49 |
| MrPingu | You might have a point... | 23:49 |
| Estel_ | "itsa doesn t u work me could u hlp?" | 23:49 |
| Estel_ | sry | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay | 23:50 |
| Estel_ | I mean that such videos is good thing to have talking seriously | 23:50 |
| Estel_ | don't get discouraged | 23:50 |
| Estel_ | I was half-serious, I mean I'm sure it will happen, but, it's not a reason to sop doing such video | 23:50 |
| Estel_ | at least some people will benefit from it | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | **VOTE!** http://bit.ly/JmchJM | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | is that automated or what ^ | 23:51 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, is flac working for You in recaller? | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, I'm completely automated | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Estel_: can't recall | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly not | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise I guess I'd use it | 23:51 |
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| Estel_ | muwt be just some issue with path where it expects flac | 23:52 |
| * Estel_ will try to find that out | 23:52 | |
| MrPingu | I was definitely to do a video, just for show off ;) | 23:52 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer is also living bash parser - yesterday he defined if script if ash or bash compliant for me + found invalid declaration inside | 23:53 |
| MrPingu | wifite2 works nicely on N900 too =) | 23:53 |
| Estel_ | actually, karam recently ported some nice tools like mdk2 | 23:53 |
| Estel_ | but, I'm always afraid to install things from him | 23:54 |
| MrPingu | MDK3 ^^ | 23:54 |
| Estel_ | in small part, because he is very, very *not* carefull, uploading stuff with broken dependencies and fixing it with 547855 updates | 23:54 |
| Estel_ | (although at the end, it always works ok) | 23:54 |
| MrPingu | Do you want my compiled binary? :P | 23:55 |
| Estel_ | and, in most part, I think that I'm always afraid he's going to revenge for all battery/speedpatch mocking | 23:55 |
| Estel_ | by inserting some nasty thing insie package :P | 23:55 |
| Estel_ | I know, silly | 23:55 |
| MrPingu | Yeah but batterypatch crap is just uhm let's say crap | 23:55 |
| Estel_ | but I don't have time to audit his sources line by line and most of his audience isn't capable of doing it either, for noobiness reasons | 23:55 |
| Estel_ | BTW, disclaimer, my thoughts about inserting nasty things was just without reasons | 23:56 |
| MrPingu | I know the feeling, I am always a bit scared to install his "stuff" too | 23:56 |
| Estel_ | he seems to be nice guy for all purposes other than *patch | 23:56 |
| Estel_ | hehe, I see You understand | 23:56 |
| Estel_ | and I want Your binary, of course :) | 23:57 |
| MrPingu | That's why I still have my own compiled mdk3 binary instead of the one from the repos :P | 23:57 |
| Estel_ | any fixes or regressions vs karam's one? | 23:57 |
| Estel_ | hehe | 23:57 |
| MrPingu | I just grabbed the latest sources from mdk3 homepage and compiled it in SB | 23:57 |
| Estel_ | and it works fine, I suppose? | 23:58 |
| MrPingu | Yep :) | 23:58 |
| Estel_ | it's usefull for routers with rate limiting vs wps reaver | 23:58 |
| teotwaki_ | MohammadAG & DocScrutinizer: ever looked at this: http://www.iphase.com/products/product.cfm/PCI%20Express/44 ? | 23:58 |
| Estel_ | if You detect rate limiting, you can wait or force router to reboo | 23:58 |
| Estel_ | also, some liveboxes (sagem things) got permanent rate limiting | 23:59 |
| Estel_ | persisting until next reboot | 23:59 |
| MrPingu | haha yeah mdk3 is really stresstesting of AP :P | 23:59 |
| teotwaki_ | Estel_: french? | 23:59 |
| Estel_ | forcing them to do so by creating zillions of fake clients etc is only way then, unles You want o break pentesting and do impossible (for attacker) thing like pulling plug | 23:59 |
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