| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: this been from a 0% cell? | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | scratch that | 00:00 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | initial volatge 3.3V | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang, the time axis has to be wrong | 00:02 |
| ShadowJK | could be | 00:02 |
| ShadowJK | does it make more sense if you multiply it by 5 | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | definitely | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | It's quite an old cell perhaps too | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | A third of an ohmish | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I don't think so, according to delta-U @ t=1800 | 00:04 |
| ShadowJK | no it was probably new ish and made on main n900, as the noise looks kinda like irc and wifi left on :P | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | vs delta-I | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | delta-I almost 200mA, delta-U <100mV | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't look too old | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm - actually not. | 00:05 |
| * SpeedEvil just woke up for a bit. | 00:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're fine over at your island? | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 00:07 |
| Sicelo | thanks for the help guys :) | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: just asking how's living on the isle | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: or did you move to the continent meanwhile? | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Fine - bit rainy yesterday - but a nice day today. | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Solar-hot-water++ | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Tank from cold to 67C this evening. | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ~500e panel from ebay, and some random fittings. | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I recently checked parafin for thermic storage | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | still too expensive and bulky | 00:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Storage is problematic. | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd need a tank like 50cm high in whole my flat, to make this cross the break-even | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus isolation of course | 00:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | Insulation generally wins. | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | if my flat was 380+cm high, I'd consider it ;-D | 00:26 |
| Sc0rpius | DocScrutinizer, what's your opinion on Tizen? | 00:26 |
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| Sc0rpius | (if you have one) | 00:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | just that | 00:26 |
| Sc0rpius | heh | 00:26 |
| Sc0rpius | another already-dead-before-born OS? | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | might as well become an android kiler, for all I know | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Shipping hardware. | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Then it sort-of-gets serious. | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't like the concept | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I don't like andridiot | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I even doubt it has any decent userland | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | since what I hear it's massively html5 centric | 00:28 |
| dm8tbr | they gave me a developer device at the conference this week | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | so cat andridiot| sed "/tizen/ s/dalvik/html/" | 00:29 |
| dm8tbr | lacks a CMT and is not really pocket size, but otherwise it's real hardware with all the features, bells and whistles | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | No modem? | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 00:30 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, much easier and cheaper that way I guess | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's legion of tablet OS | 00:30 |
| dm8tbr | no CE/FCC needed | 00:30 |
| dm8tbr | they had a prototype with CMT they used to show it can make phonecalls during the keynote | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Still need CE/FCC | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Just it may be easier to get. | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect they all have CMT, just disabled | 00:31 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, that's what I meant :) | 00:31 |
| dm8tbr | dunno, didn't open mine enough to check for signs of CMT and or antennas | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I've just been looking at my cheapo-tablet, a mini-pci card, and the space behind the speakers. | 00:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | mini-pci cellmo | 00:32 |
| dm8tbr | my Archos101gen9 has a slot for a cellmo :) | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | This is a 'wopad i7' - which is sort-of-OK, but for comedic speakers. | 00:32 |
| dm8tbr | and as it's just a regular USB dongle I can also use it on my laptop | 00:33 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders motivation to fudge yesterday's onliner into a proper calibrate-bq27k.sh | 00:34 | |
| dm8tbr | coming back to Titsen... I haven't quite made my mind up yet. Their app story has its merits, their intent on standardizing everything through W3C is commendable, but the underlying OS architecture is a harmattan-reprise | 00:35 |
| teotwaki_ | and? | 00:35 |
| teotwaki_ | Underlying OS architecture is just a means to an end -- it's not fixed in stone. | 00:35 |
| dm8tbr | sure, for app developers it doesn't matter much | 00:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer throws up | 00:36 | |
| dm8tbr | but what is likely is that it will make OEMs shun the platform as they smell a major rewrite | 00:36 |
| teotwaki_ | OEMs don't care. | 00:36 |
| dm8tbr | (it's another .deb -> .rpm transition, plus a LOT of SLP legacy that needs cleaning up) | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn you crash&die, I need to use /whois twice a day for your stupid new nick | 00:37 |
| dm8tbr | also their architecture is contradictory: they laud oFono while at the same time reinventing it | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 00:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably they curse aegis while same time tweaking SE into an aegis clone as well? | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 00:40 |
| dm8tbr | aegis was nokia, intel seems to have this smack stuff | 00:40 |
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| teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: is it because I blabber so much shite, or seem actually insightful? | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's because I never can recall your new nick | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | so when I think "wait, wasn't that crashand?" I have to use /whois again | 00:41 |
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| teotwaki_ | good thing I kept the old user account then, eh? | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yoh | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 00:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smack, that sounds like right name for this kinda stuff | 00:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is it also tivoized? | 00:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or rather, is it also EVIL[TM], like paegis? | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | or is it actually meant for user's security, rather than DRM? | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply: who owns the root cert of smack? | 00:46 |
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| cehteh | 3767mV ... next try :) | 00:56 |
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| Jwzr | hello im searching for serial key | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | for *what*? | 02:21 |
| Jwzr | i cant find that crap | 02:21 |
| Jwzr | some utility softwaew | 02:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this is no warez channel | 02:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we're mostly using FOSS here, which generally doesn'T need any such key | 02:23 |
| cehteh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psH3HTK19rM << there was nice weather today | 02:36 |
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| ShadowJK | the "serial key" for "some utility softwaew". Even if this was a warez chan, you'd not have much luck getting a key | 02:43 |
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| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders what that's been now | 03:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly ECHAN | 03:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or EBRAIN | 03:01 |
| cehteh | ENBRAIN | 03:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf a heli or a hornet on meth? | 03:49 |
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| cehteh | throwing grass at the bystanders :) .. | 04:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | better than throwing bystanders at the grass ;-P | 04:27 |
| cehteh | that was filmed with a iphone, quite wide angle, some figured ended just 3m in front of us | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, is that yours? | 04:46 |
| cehteh | nope | 04:46 |
| cehteh | jonas, 14yrs old with a big logo 600 :) | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I got a 450X last month. | 04:47 |
| cehteh | ah nice one | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Finally got into RC in December. | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm still a terrible pilot. | 04:47 |
| cehteh | haha i started in december/janurary too | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | All those years of X-Plane only paid off a little. | 04:47 |
| cehteh | same here | 04:47 |
| cehteh | well i am considering a 300X | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got a fleet of mCP Xs and a 450X | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | 300X looks amazing. | 04:47 |
| cehteh | yep | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm getting a 130X instead. | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like the small size. | 04:47 |
| cehteh | i have a v120 .. same size | 04:48 |
| ShadowJK | logo \o/ | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Less of the holy-shit-this-is-scary feeling. | 04:48 |
| cehteh | 130x seems to look nice, but its pricy and 6 minutes flighttime are not promising | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | 300X is probably going to be less. ;) | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | 450X is 4-5 depending on the level of smack. | 04:49 |
| ShadowJK | the sim world is perfect :) | 04:49 |
| ShadowJK | real world isn't | 04:49 |
| cehteh | hey i get 13.5 minutes from my V120 to batterys empty .. usually i try to fly only 9-10 minutes | 04:49 |
| cehteh | well i am not getting one soon .. i wait for it to be proven or even watch and see what new will be there in 6-12 months | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh. | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | My stock mCP X gets about 5. | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Brushless 4-5. | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | How big is the damn battery? | 04:50 |
| cehteh | the AR7200BX is awesome | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | 600mAh. Is that 3D flight? | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes it is. | 04:51 |
| cehteh | 1S 950mah | 04:51 |
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| cehteh | the stock batteries are only 650mah .. but i got hobbyking ones from hongkong | 04:51 |
| cehteh | hey 650mah costs 7eur here .. the 950mah from hk cost 2,80Eur :) | 04:52 |
| cehteh | and no i dont do 3D yet :P | 04:52 |
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| cehteh | apropos mcpx .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBrbegOtrsk | 04:54 |
| cehteh | he is doing autorotations and bladestops with the mcpx as well (freewheeling mod) | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | The HobbyKing batteries don't last many cycles, though. :\ | 04:55 |
| cehteh | working for me | 04:56 |
| cehteh | i heared mixed impressions, many tell that the 1S are ok | 04:56 |
| cehteh | and i dont push them hard | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | They work fine | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | but their expected lifespan doesn't stack up again Hyperion, ThunderPower, etc. | 04:57 |
| cehteh | lets see .. they are cheap and i have plenty now | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. Not making a judgement. :P | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just forewarning. | 04:58 |
| cehteh | (6 stock 650mah and 12 HK 950mah) .. sum up to flight time of more than 3 hours, i have to push it that i cycle them at least once a week :P | 04:59 |
| cehteh | abnd if they die i just order new ones ... | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tradeoff for more flight time is reduced performance. | 04:59 |
| cehteh | which is good for me .. :] ... dont want to order spare parts once a week | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's one big reason Walkera doesn't work for me. | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can go to my LHS and get any Horizon Hobby part I need. | 05:00 |
| cehteh | well V120D02S is quite crash proof | 05:00 |
| cehteh | ok | 05:01 |
| cehteh | i have to order stuff anyways | 05:01 |
| * ShadowJK can't get anything at all locally, except esky which I can get local-ish. :P | 05:01 | |
| cehteh | i also felt the mcpx is a little to small | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes it practically crash proof if you hit throttle hold quickly. | 05:02 |
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| cehteh | yes | 05:02 |
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| cehteh | haha that was throttle hold :) | 05:02 |
| cehteh | today i flew to far away and couldnt see the attitude and came down ... | 05:02 |
| cehteh | long walk :P .. | 05:03 |
| cehteh | not much happened lukily | 05:03 |
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| Dr4s1l | hi all | 14:01 |
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| Darkchaos2 | would you send a phone with a broken USB in to Nokia and let them repiar it? | 14:13 |
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| Darkchaos2 | (I'm in the guarantee but I don't want a new one without all data, and I don't know how long it takes. Does somebody know?) | 14:14 |
| dm8tbr | AFAIK they don't send 'new' n900s and don't repair. They offer things like the N8 instead. | 14:17 |
| k273 | I see | 14:17 |
| k273 | better fix it for myself | 14:17 |
| dm8tbr | if the pads weren't ripped off the PCB, yes. if they were, use enamel wire and the jig port. this has all been sufficiently documented. | 14:18 |
| Darkchaos2 | but the N8 neither has maemo nor nitdroid? | 14:22 |
| jonwil | The N8 has Symbian | 14:22 |
| jonwil | i.e. its junk :P | 14:22 |
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| k273 | N9 Meego, N8 Symbian ^3, 800 WinPhone7 | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: I prefer to suggest the direct fix (to next 'living' component inside next can) rather than TP-jig soldering | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Darkchaos2: k273: see | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix | 14:58 |
| infobot | hmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 14:58 |
| k273 | DocScrutinizer: thanks, already saw it | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Darkchaos2: Nokia definitely likes to "steal" N900 sent in for repair, and thinks they're not obliged to give you adequate replacement - just symbian crap. A lot of users were not even able to make Nokia send them back their unfixed N900 | 15:00 |
| k273 | really, that bad, DocScrutinizer ? | 15:00 |
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| k273 | the way they treat their consumers, there should be really big migration to other brands | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that's the sum-up of what'S been reported by several dozen users during last 12 months | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | there should be a class action | 15:01 |
| k273 | mhmm | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | would teach Nokia what's cheaper: produce another batch of 5000 to get sufficient spare on shelf, or bertray all their customers | 15:02 |
| HRH_H_Crab | it seems as though my tracker thing is only indexing mp3 files. | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | look, let's assume I was developing (with a dozen other guys) a complete suite with all the specialized tools for search&rescue and ERT crews, based on N900/maemo and local battery powered ruggedized WLAN AP (some with SAT uplink) | 15:06 |
| HRH_H_Crab | has something changed? i can still play flac from the filesystem - they just dont seem to show up in the media player (im using open media player but the stock player doesnt behave differently) | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | we got 5 customers, biggest of them bought 1200 N900 for all their crews | 15:07 |
| k273 | woohooo party time!!! | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | now what's my balance when Nokia refuses to deliver spare parts / swap devices / working successors | 15:07 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: then you're to blame for not securing the life-cycle of such a large-scale deployment. | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | me and a dozen other guys worked either in vain during a whole year, or we will get sued by our customers for not providing support for those expensive custom designed systems | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: indeed | 15:09 |
| k273 | DocScrutinizer: that's awful | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | k273: I said "let's assume..." | 15:09 |
| k273 | ah bad bad bad moooooves, these days, Nokia | 15:09 |
| dm8tbr | this argument is void and just spreading FUD. so it's EOD for me here. have a nice sunday everyone. | 15:10 |
| k273 | yes, DocScrutinizer | 15:10 |
| k273 | FUD? | 15:10 |
| dm8tbr | lmgtfy.com/?q=FUD&l=1 | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: nevertheless I could (even legally) expect a minimum service duration of several years from Nokia for a device of >500EUR class | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | while in fact Nokia denies any service even during legal warranty time of devices bought last year | 15:12 |
| dm8tbr | as I said it's EOD for me. your point is moot. if there is a legal case, bring it to a german court. | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I hope somebody *will* do this, but to an american court | 15:13 |
| k273 | ah, that, dm8tbr | 15:13 |
| k273 | we in Indonesia also feel effed up too | 15:14 |
| k273 | Statements that Windows has lower total cost of ownership (TCO) than Linux, in Microsoft's "Get-The-Facts" campaign. It turned out that they were comparing Linux on a very expensive IBM Mainframe to Windows on a PC.[13][14] | 15:18 |
| k273 | lolz | 15:18 |
| jaska | try comparing to z/os and related stuff on that same mainframe.. the license fees are pretty high afaik :) | 15:22 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders... | 15:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~eod | 15:35 |
| infobot | it has been said that eod is End Of Discussion | 15:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer already pondered "End Of Days" | 15:35 | |
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| k273 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pegy1ZjDO8I&feature=player_embedded | 15:45 |
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| Macer | hm | 18:02 |
| Macer | i shouldn't have problems mismatching hard drives in a raid should i? | 18:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | It depends. | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | If you have 10 1T, and one 750M - then clearly it gets more complex | 18:44 |
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| jacekowski | Macer: hard drives in raid should be mismatched | 18:49 |
| jacekowski | Macer: as in, different manufacturers, batches | 18:50 |
| jacekowski | Macer: so in case there is a problem with one make or batch you don't have them all fail at the same time | 18:50 |
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| cehteh | jacekowski: with today sloppy harddrive quality they have much spread on failure rates :P | 18:55 |
| cehteh | always worked for me that one or two drives failed early enough to get a warranty replacement from another batch within the first half year or so | 18:56 |
| Macer | heh | 18:58 |
| Macer | ok... well jacekowski that answered my question | 18:58 |
| Macer | i am asking because i usually use the same make/model of hard drives when i replace them | 18:59 |
| Macer | but in this case i am going to replace a wd with a seagate | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | noissue | 19:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | matching sizes make things simpler though | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw all this applies to redundant raid classes only | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | for a non-redundant raid, I'd probably actually use one brand and model of HDD only | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | since one drive failing means raid down anyway, so keeping track of possible issues in your raid hw is way simpler if you have a homogen zoo of drives | 20:07 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I've made a good start on the issue but left you and fiferboy a few: "council election delayed" and some apps | 21:39 |
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