IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-05-09

ShadowJKalso, streaming audio seemed incredibly difficult00:00
ShadowJKthere were no usable apps, except one Nokia made, and it only worked on 2-3 devices00:00
ShadowJK:/00:00
Arkenoiharmattan inception gives me strong s60v3 deja vue feeling00:00
Arkenoiand the fact nokia spends resources to close this "security problem" instead of fixing real bugs is true butt hurt00:01
DocScrutinizerthat's why HARM is called HARM by me, and why I basically abandoned any effort to do sth with it00:02
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: I think if somebody would care to put a little effort into pocketsphinx, it could compete with symbian wrt voice-commands00:04
ArkenoiShadowJK, qik (sp?) ? it was for streaming audio and video00:04
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ShadowJKiirc I never found anything able to stream shoutcast00:05
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MrPinguShadowJK, was you on symbian freak forums the days you had a s60v3 phone?00:38
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ShadowJKno00:39
ShadowJKmaybe on some pythons60 forums00:39
* ShadowJK made himself app to transfer files between pc and phone00:40
ShadowJKseemed easiest way of accomplishing filetransfer00:40
ShadowJKI did find some samba app, but the time limited demoversion didn't work at all00:41
MrPinguI see, well I never was a coder myself but I was tester for many python apps for s6000:45
MrPinguKnew a lot about symbian internals, then I got N900 and now it's slipping away slowly :P00:45
* ShadowJK vaguely recalls waiting and emailing opensigned (??) or something so he could use the GPS on his phone00:48
MrPinguOpensigned yeah, your app needed to be signed to acces certain functions00:51
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MrPinguI always applied for a developer certificate for my own IMEI which had 17 out of the 20 capabilties00:51
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MrPinguThose last 3 caps where manfacturer only (read write acces to system files)00:52
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DocScrutinizer52~botsnack02:21
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DocScrutinizerquiet earth02:37
ThreeMjust relaxing :)02:39
ThreeMno trouble, no compiler errors, just silence :)02:40
DocScrutinizerjust one more year02:40
ThreeMbirthday?02:41
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DocScrutinizersomebody thought it's a remarkable date when earth is passing same position of solar system inertial system02:43
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DocScrutinizerI guess it's another few hours until that happens the N'th time02:44
ThreeMO_o02:44
ThreeMi think you have to much time :)02:44
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DocScrutinizerI think I have holidays and I shuld enjoy it02:45
DocScrutinizerworried about my best friend infobot though02:45
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Hurrianis maemo.org voting up yet?05:12
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totalizatorafter MfE sync - all the contacts from the phonebook went missing but there are still all visible in "Contacts", what the?11:56
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totalizatoraww, this is shi... no numbers, that would explain why there are ony 2 contacts in phonebook, it deleted everything, MfE sucks!12:01
chem|sth12:04
chem|stouch12:04
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totalizatorok, they were still at Google, so  I was able to sync them back somehow but it remains a big mystery how the MfE, merging, syncing, all this stuff works on N900 o_O12:08
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chem|sttotalizator: oh with google... from mine it synced 2 contacts and stalled on some error, did not sync anything else!12:11
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totalizatoryea, it's insane, now it synced most (some) contacts but not all, oh cmon12:15
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totalizatortwo manual syncs - successful but nothing was added, third one - boom! 72 contacts added; it's magic, I won't even try to understand12:19
chem|sttotalizator: hope you learned a lesson^^12:21
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totalizatorI have learned literally nothing xD but you can call it a lesson12:24
chem|stdon't try MfE on google again, for some people it worked flawless for some never, I think it depends on the kind of contact information you have stored as we figured out12:26
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totalizatorI can see now that it is better to rely on Nokia Suite backups but MfE is comfortable and used to work properly12:29
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dafoxdoes anyone know how to get MfE to work again after a failed sync (other then by rebooting)?12:33
dafoxfor some reason it usually works fine, but once it fails once (for example wifi didn't connect properly), it will keep failing forever after until I reboot12:34
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totalizatordafox: I don't think it's possible; however a full sync should work but I wouldn't recomment it for anything other than just a calendar12:52
richysmith2032Ok12:53
richysmith2032Most time i just prefer flashing the installed softwares off it12:53
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richysmith2032Does anyone know where i can get, a battery that will laster than the normal n900 battery13:07
SpeedEvilReplacement battery off ebay.13:07
SpeedEvilEven a 'bad' one will last longer than an old stock one now13:08
SpeedEvilhowever - the bl-5j is also available new13:08
SpeedEvilfrom nokia, or the usual stores13:08
StyXmando the batteries go bad vy age, usage or both? right now I'm cycling between 3 because the usb charger does not work anymore...13:10
StyXmanby age*13:10
richysmith2032Ok... Tks.. Do u think it will last longer than this one.. The battery that comes with the n900 phone drains quickly13:11
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SpeedEvilStyXman: age and useage13:20
SpeedEvilwell - time-on-charge and temperature too really13:20
StyXmanI see13:21
richysmith2032That's true13:21
StyXmanit should last at least 1 or 1.5 more years, it barely has 6 months13:21
SpeedEvil6 months is a bit short13:21
StyXmanI bought it in december13:22
SpeedEvilAnd quite likely that it's a software problem, not hardware.13:22
SpeedEvilWas the battery new?13:22
richysmith2032That is the problem.. I also have with mine13:22
StyXmanmy battery is not dead13:22
StyXmanthey're ok13:22
StyXmanI was just asking about what should I expect for the future13:22
SpeedEvilYou mean that it shows very short standby life?13:28
richysmith2032Yes.... Very short battery life13:29
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SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar as mentioned in that page, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management13:34
BiggAlI picked up a new bl-5j from a shop, it set me back 1 fair amount (15 GBP) but it was worth it to be able to verify that it was an official nokia one - lasts a lot longer, but I always carry around the old one as a spare anyway13:34
BiggAlyou get a lot of dodgy fakes online13:35
BiggAlI also found though that by leaving my old battery drained for a few weeks, then filling it and draining it a few times it seemed to get better, but this was not a deliberate effort so I wasn't particularly scientific about it13:36
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k273hello DocScrutinizer and chem|st, I now killall trackerd everytime I startup my N90015:32
k273=)15:32
DocScrutinizerhmm, that's probably useless15:32
k273why?15:32
DocScrutinizerbecause it will get respawned immediately I guess15:33
k273sometimes yeah15:33
dafoxtotalizator: no, not even a full sync works (if you mean the one you can get to through the settings menu), but simply turning it on/off (rebooting) fixes it. I don't even need to do a fullsync after rebooting.15:33
k273lol15:33
k273but sometimes not15:33
k273I found that odd too DocScrutinizer15:33
DocScrutinizeryou should use the right method if you want to quit a process, whatever the process15:33
k273and that is?15:34
DocScrutinizerI'm rather sure tracker is started by initctl and/or via dsmetool15:34
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chem|sttotalizator: I just checked all info, as soon as you have images in your contacts you are screwed15:37
chem|stsome other stuff too15:37
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DocScrutinizerwell, or even via .desktop preload15:39
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DocScrutinizerless /etc/xdg/autostart/trackerd.desktop15:44
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DocScrutinizernot sure about it, but it looks like the one15:44
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k273okay thanks DocScrutinizer. anyway this image-viewer is also occupying 99% too, while I don't open any images.15:49
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k273thanks DocScrutinizer. I also find that image-viewer occupies 99% of the cpu too sometimes15:59
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DocScrutinizerwell, there's nothing wrong per se when a process occupies all CPU. After all it's meant to finish whatever task it does as soon as possible. The problems start when a process is occupying CPU all the time, or very frequently. Especially if there's nothing the process is supposed to do that's so heavy to justify the CPU load.16:05
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k273DocScrutinizer: yes, that's what I meant.16:06
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DocScrutinizergallery for example is loading possibly thousands of thumbnails in a canvas - this may consume quite some time&CPUcycles until it's finished16:07
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k273yes, dockane_16:11
k273yes, DocScrutinizer16:11
k273sorry, dockane_16:11
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DocScrutinizerk273: I always find cpu load applet an indispensable source of info about system state16:14
DocScrutinizeryou're learning a lot about your computer with such a CPU load indicator, and you'll learn to tell when something unusual happens16:15
k273yes, I have that too.16:16
DocScrutinizerfor me it's like RPM meter in my car16:16
k273=)16:16
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DocScrutinizerthe memory meter in same applet comes in handy as well - it will give a clue when system starts to starve from available RAM and is going to swap a lot, which of course slows down things drastically16:19
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k273yeah16:19
DocScrutinizerk273: were you asking about maemo future yesterday?16:21
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k273yes16:23
DocScrutinizeryou're aware of CSSU?16:23
k273I've heard of it, yeah16:24
k273what is it DocScrutinizer ?16:24
DocScrutinizerwe won't let down maemo for the foreseeable future :-)16:24
DocScrutinizer~cssu16:24
DocScrutinizerYAY infobot!!!16:24
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DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU16:25
totalizatorchem|st: yes, I can confim that rebooting works for me as well; and it's silly as when I've had Windows Mobile 6.5 phone all my contacts were exported to google without any problems (with images!)16:25
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k273DocScrutinizer: yay!16:27
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chem|st~vomit16:48
chem|st~flashing16:48
k273eh?16:49
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StyXmanchem|st: he's dead, jim16:50
chem|sttotalizator: I exported with pc suite to outlook at work exported csv imported to google without images16:50
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chem|sttotalizator: but guess you are after syncing16:51
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DocScrutinizersorry, infobot down17:24
DocScrutinizerI hope for Tim to restart it eventually17:25
k273mediiiiiiiiiic! we got a man down heeeeeeeeeeeeere!17:25
DocScrutinizer(still no ssh account on infobot server :-S)17:25
DocScrutinizerfriggin netsplits!17:26
DocScrutinizerStyXman: She!17:27
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StyXmanDocScrutinizer: sorry, just qoting17:30
StyXmanquoting, even17:30
StyXmanalso: sexed 'bots? ugh...17:31
DocScrutinizerIf she was online, she'd tell you17:31
DocScrutinizer;-)17:31
StyXmandoes she dream os electric sheep?17:32
StyXmanof*17:32
DocScrutinizerdunno :)17:32
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k273gotta go guys17:52
k273thanks for the advices17:52
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infobot[cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU18:58
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chem|stthis fscking mapsloader20:47
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jean_brathi i have some issue with my n900. i installed few apps like TI calc and VNC viewer on my n900 after that.. my battery drains very fast and the charger will not charge my phone21:01
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jean_brati had to use other phone to charge the n900 battery21:01
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jean_bratcharge will not remain for even 20 mins with all application turned off21:02
chem|stjean_brat: what is the complete list you installed? what is your network 2G/3G/dual? where are you?21:03
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jean_brati used VNC quite intensively for about 20 mins. i had some theme files (black and white) which was installed long ago21:06
jean_bratthats all21:06
jean_brateverything else is factory settings21:06
jean_brat3G gsm network21:07
jean_bratnow i use my old 5800 to charge n900 bl5j21:07
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jean_bratwhy does phone need to be booted first to charge the battery in n900?21:08
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chem|st3g is not gsm network, vnc for 20minutes might eat your battery if already used for a while, depends on the server settings too21:20
chem|stbad UMTS reception drains my battery in 6-10 hours if the device is idle and not connected to the internet21:21
chem|stsame for gsm+wifi online with skype...21:22
chem|stjean_brat: are you on latest firmware with cssu?21:23
jean_bratnow it cant stay on for even 20 mins with all turned off. the same batt stays for a day in my 580021:23
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chem|stis the device responsive?21:24
jean_brati don remember the version but a month ago i updated all the updates prompted by software updated21:24
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jean_bratl for #n900 users. Get official support at #maemo or #meego.21:24
jean_brat* Topic for #n900 set by Tscheesy!~quassel@alfred.neversfelde.de at Tue Dec 21 22:35:01 201021:24
jean_brat*software updater21:24
chem|stjean_brat: should be fine21:24
chem|stlook into what is running in the background21:25
jean_bratgive me min. let me check21:27
jean_bratps -aef?21:27
chem|stmore like top or htop21:29
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jean_brathmm i cant cat it to a file lile top >> filename.txt21:40
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spark666its there an option like .Xdeafults for setting colors in default terminal emulator?21:42
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DocScrutinizer52jean_brat: n900 charges just fine as longs as your rootfs is ok21:46
DocScrutinizer52rootfs+systen on there21:46
DocScrutinizer52jean_brat: you just have to use proper fastcharger. PC USB host for powersupply won't work21:48
DocScrutinizer52Nokia built n900 absolutely compliant to USB specs, so it mustn't draw more than 100mA from a PC until USB enum which needs CPU/system up+running21:49
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jean_bratwhat does rootfs has to do with charging?21:56
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Sicelospark666: colors in xterm are in gconf :P22:03
spark666Sicelo: tnx mate22:04
spark666its there gconf-editor available for maemo?22:04
jean_bratDocScrutinizer, 77% used out of 227 MB22:04
Sicelojean_brat: actually 'all' phones need the OS to be 'alive' to some extent for charging. what do you think shows the charging notification bars? you might have the free space, but if what's on there is borked, you're out of luck22:05
Sicelospark666: it's builtin .. gconftool-2. i think there's also a gui.. never tried it22:06
jean_bratironic nokia did not run power aware simulation on N900 properly22:06
spark666Sicelo: ill take a look now :D ty22:06
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Sicelobtw, you can only set background and foreground colors .. the key is /apps/osso/xterm22:09
spark666ahhh...that i can change it straight from the settings,i was looking for colors palette :P22:10
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MohammadAGSicelo, DocScrutinizer knows his systems well :P22:12
MohammadAGoh nvm, you were talking to jean22:12
MohammadAGjean_brat> what does rootfs has to do with charging?22:13
MohammadAGbme does the charging, bme is /sbin/bme, /sbin is on rootfs22:13
Sicelo;)22:13
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DocScrutinizer52indeed22:22
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DocScrutinizer52meh, seems he's gone22:24
MrPinguWhat happened with docscrutinizer51? :P22:24
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Estel^Hello Maemo22:40
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Estel^Could anyone knowledgeable why package, that got upgraded after years of silence (luxus - widget showing LUX values of ambient light and/or EV exposure correction to setup in DLRS) requires to update libtelepathy-qt4?22:42
Estel^http://maemo.org/packages/view/luxus22:43
Estel^it also require experimental libqtm-12 which isn't very fancy, but at least justified in changelog22:43
Estel^as for libtelepathy-qt4, I don't see reason. libqtm-12 require it?22:44
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Estel^also, who is pushing updates to libcurl3? it's core Maemo component22:44
Estel^is there a way to check it from package interface? it list only maintainer, but for sure it wasn't uploaded by maintainer22:44
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MohammadAGhow do I get an application to core-dump?22:54
Proteousedit it's memory while it's running22:55
freemangordonkill SIGSEGV ?22:55
MrPinguGood question estel, I noticed it too22:56
MohammadAGfreemangordon, doesn't core-dump on maemo afaik?22:56
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Estel^MrPingu,  after recent events with libxau6 I'm afraid to update, and rightly so.22:57
Estel^probably22:57
Estel^as for Luxus, it was uploadd by maintainer it seems, so I contacted him, why being so bold in dependencies :P22:58
Estel^but libcurl3 is a mystery22:58
Estel^version from march was working AFAICT, I updated it and didn't noticed any regressions22:58
MohammadAGI contacted X-Fade about libaux622:58
freemangordonMohammadAG, would you rephrase your question22:58
MohammadAGhopefully he should react to it22:58
MohammadAGfreemangordon, when an application segfaults, it usually creates a core-dump, but it doesn't on maemo22:59
Estel^Pali checked package and it got same hash as upstream, only compilation flags were set22:59
freemangordonyoiu should install rich-core22:59
MohammadAGfreemangordon, so on a stock system it's impossible?22:59
freemangordonsp-rich-core22:59
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Estel^MohammadAG,  yea, I created bug, as libxau6 was detected as conflicting by builder, but landed in repos nevertheless22:59
freemangordonMohammadAG, it is possible, you just need to install sp-rich-core from SDK repo23:00
freemangordonif by "stock" you mean after ferlash, then yes, it is not possible23:00
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freemangordon*reflash23:01
MohammadAGfreemangordon, I was planning to have a handler for SIGSEGV to core-dump and attach the file to an email23:01
MohammadAGright now my handler sends a notification to the user that "Sociality has crashed. Please file a bug report to myemailhere"23:01
Estel^Niel answered, that builder doesn't "think" it's fatal error23:01
MohammadAGclicking it relaunches sociality which opens a mailto: link23:01
ShadowJKWeird, someone called and I had bt handsfree, worked perfectly a few seconds, up to 30s at a time, then I got a loiud buzz23:02
Estel^he asked if someone knowledgeable could help altering 'buildme' to treat such errors as fatal23:02
freemangordonMohammadAG, I think coredumps should be enabled in kernel23:02
Estel^I forwarded it to Maemo mailing list, but no one answered.23:02
freemangordonsomewhere in /proc23:03
MohammadAGmeh23:03
ShadowJKa2dp on same device works perfectly hours at a time23:03
Estel^ShadowJK,  You're on stovk kernel, right?23:03
ShadowJKOdd thing, with bt hf there was no echo, but without bt hf I heard my voice a second or two delayed. Allegedly this is the "lumia echo", when other person uses a lumia23:03
MohammadAGhttp://pastebin.com/30NPszf123:03
ShadowJKEstel^; yep23:03
MohammadAGfreemangordon, one more thing, is it possible to get the last method called?23:03
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Estel^freemangordon,  ShadowJK problem with bluetooth headset is similar to that one reported in KP thread23:05
Estel^yet, ShadowJK is sitting on stock kernel23:05
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Estel^it may mean, that it's unrelated to KP after all23:05
freemangordonMohammadAG, afaik if you handle SIGSEGV then no coredump will be produced. May be you should re-raise the signal23:06
MohammadAGheh, the amount of code you can gather from pastebin's recents is amazing23:06
Estel^I mean first problem, not echo23:06
MohammadAGfreemangordon, without handling it I simply get "Segmentation fault"23:06
freemangordonEstel^, there is some nasty bug on omap1 kernel, which I resolved by chance with bt-mice patch23:06
freemangordonMohammadAG, if you have coredupmps enabled you will have "segmentation fault, core dumped" :)23:07
MohammadAGI know :p23:07
ShadowJKis bt-mice patch in KP?23:08
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Estel^ShadowJK,  of course, but only for HID devices aa for now23:09
freemangordonShadowJK, it is, but in KP50 i modified it so it to be applied only for HID devices. There were several reports that otherwise some handsfree devices stop after a while23:09
Estel^cause it triggers buggy implementation in some BT headphones23:09
Estel^but, it seems that other headphones require it23:10
freemangordonyeah, No 2223:10
ShadowJKOoh, can you roll a kernel with it enabled for everything?23:11
freemangordonto roll it as in?23:12
freemangordonif enabled for all devices it causes regression compared to stock kernel23:12
freemangordonhmm, you can try to use BT .ko from KP4923:13
MohammadAGfreemangordon, as in a binary for him23:13
ShadowJKI mean as in make a version with it enabled just to test with my bthf device?23:13
MohammadAGnow where are those notes on installing Harmattan and Fremantle in scratchbox...23:14
freemangordonif it works with KP49 but not with KP50 then I can bet that patch midification is th reason23:14
freemangordonShadowJK, can you compile the kernel by yourself?23:15
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ShadowJKno I don't have a setup for that23:17
Estel^I proposed to allow messing with it via sysfs entry if possible. I doubt someone is using 2 different bluetooth headsets at the same time :P23:17
freemangordonhmm, ok, I will compile it an will upload the module, give me a couple of minutes23:17
freemangordonEstel^, that could work for the next version, which won't be out in a week or two :)23:18
ShadowJKDo you know any details about the bug("fix")?23:18
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freemangordonShadowJK, it is my patch, not a backport, but TBH I have NFC why it works23:20
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freemangordon:)23:22
ShadowJKwhat does it do?23:22
freemangordonadds an additional check if the connection is not in power-save mode, better look at the patch yourself, it is a one-liner23:24
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chem|stis anyone aware of how to download nokia map files into MyDocs again?23:26
chem|stkilled mine and want the tiles pre downloaded23:26
freemangordonovisuite does not work anymore?23:26
chem|stnope not for me23:26
chem|stpc suite points to a maps webpage and nokiasuite refuses to work (win7 64b)23:27
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chem|ston xp pc-suite dies at 99% download23:27
freemangordonyou should use ovisuite on xp23:28
chem|stcannot install... have no space left on c at work23:28
freemangordonaah23:28
chem|sthmm I think my netbook still has xp on it...23:28
chem|stlmc23:29
freemangordondid you try "compat" mode under win7?23:29
chem|stmaybe that was how I did it last time (2 years ago), it never worked on my home nor my office pc afair23:29
chem|stno the suite works flawless apart of the maps thing23:30
freemangordoncould be something with usb drivers then23:30
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ShadowJKhm, powesaving. If I disable bt powersaving...23:35
freemangordonShadowJK, here http://dox.bg/files/dw?a=dcb2ef99a623:36
freemangordondidn't tried it, be prepared to flash omap1 kernel23:37
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freemangordonShadowJK, it has somthing to do with BT sniff mode23:37
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chem|st(in)stalling23:39
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ShadowJK"omap1" kernel?23:41
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freemangordonstock kernel23:41
iBorg.23:41
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freemangordonif something goes wring and you cannot boot to maemo using KP, then you can flash only stack kernel23:42
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freemangordon*wrong23:42
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ShadowJKyou mean this is compiled against stock kernel, or "be prepared to reflash if it bootloops"? :)23:42
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freemangordonbe prepared to reflash if it bootloops23:42
freemangordonI mean there is no need to reflash the whole rootfs if it bootloops, just stock kernel is enough23:43
chem|ststarts without even a loadingscreen23:44
ShadowJKthis is against KP50?23:44
freemangordonyep23:44
Estel^erm, emergency request - I got a call during IRC via xchat, and now, after call, my screen is stuck into something like "half-portrair"23:45
chem|stever since 2.0x I was betatesting their alpha shit... noteing all the idiotic shit they do... they reply in a indien-callcenter manner and nothing changes ever...23:45
Estel^things rotate properly, but only 2/3 of screen is occupied, even in landscape23:45
chem|stouch23:46
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Estel^it just like orfientation in landscape changed to 480x800 instead of 800x48023:46
Estel^nothing seems to work when I try to restore it, but I would like to help debugging this issue23:46
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Estel^freemangordon or any other CSSU dev, what should I do beside taking screenahot?23:47
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freemangordonEstel^, does it rotate?23:47
freemangordonsomething in syslog?23:48
Estel^widgets reorganize, but screen stays using only 480 pixels of width23:48
Estel^I.e. it's stuck in "portrait-landscape", hard to describe23:48
freemangordonok, open a terminal (or better ssh session)23:49
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Estel^device acknowledge rotation, widgets reorganize and programs too, but screen doesn't rotate, emr, physically23:49
Estel^yea, ssh session I'm opening, as Isee only 2/3 of every irc line :P23:49
ShadowJKpowersaving disabled, 100mA drain in idle heh. Let's try if hf works23:50
Estel^ssh estabilised23:50
ShadowJK(currently at work s cant really risk installing stuffa)23:53
freemangordonShadowJK, the worst thing that could happen if nonfunctional BT23:54
freemangordon*is23:54
ShadowJKOk, disabling park, sniff, hold worked, talked over a minute23:54
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