| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, Pali, https://gitorious.org/hald-addon-bme/hald-addon-bme | 00:01 |
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| Pali | nice | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | not complete of course | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, on n900 | 00:02 |
| freemangordon | but as a start should be enough | 00:02 |
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| freemangordon | Pali, is there anything to to to force bq module to report non-zero charge (besides calibration cycle)? | 00:05 |
| Pali | patch it | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | s/to to to/to do to/ | 00:05 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: Pali, is there anything to do to force bq module to report non-zero charge (besides calibration cycle)? | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | yeah, nice | 00:05 |
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| freemangordon | But it seems this is a readout from the chip, ain't? | 00:06 |
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| merlin1991 | hm silly question, how do I write a regex to check for a-z except for a few? | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: nope | 00:08 |
| merlin1991 | is there a syntax for this caracter class minus xyz? | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's an atrificial intentional bug introduced by oversmart bq27200.ko | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aiui | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | chip doesn't do that nonsense | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: either [^xyz] | 00:11 |
| merlin1991 | well that allows anything but xyz | 00:11 |
| merlin1991 | but I'd like todo a-z but not b e and o | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or [A-Wa-w] | 00:11 |
| merlin1991 | ofc I can type it out :D | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes, you'll have to | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's no set subtractor afaik | 00:12 |
| merlin1991 | :/ | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | [acdf-np-z] | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | i dunno of any nicer term | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe inverted logic: [^_-Zbeo*-] | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not sure sth like [^-k] would actually catch and forbid all from very beginning up to k | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I rather guess that forbids just - and k | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | also I don't think there's any & analog to | in regex | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | kde had a nice regex wizard, I think in konqueror multi-rename or sth | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: ^ | 00:27 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, DocScrutinizer, here bq2415x patch for kp50: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/bq2415x/0001-Added-bq2415x-driver.patch | 00:59 |
| Pali | wallcharger detection does not working correctly yet | 00:59 |
| Pali | need to call: cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | toldya | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the detection function in musb and hw is triggered only when you cat that sysnode | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, nice work, worth even another lollipop :-D | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | (cat sysnode) a thing usually done by ke-recv aiui | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or by bme itself, or knows-the-flying-spaghettimonszer-whom | 01:08 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, it will work, but I need to wait 1-2s | 01:08 |
| Pali | so some delay is needed | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, the delay to allow ke-recv do its job | 01:09 |
| Pali | going offline now, bye all | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | or hal, or (see above) | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | bye Pali | 01:10 |
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| vdv | what does category mean for a notification in maemo? http://developer-next.gnome.org/libnotify/0.7/NotifyNotification.html#notify-notification-set-category | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly the icon used | 01:11 |
| vdv | if i set "email-message" category for new notification i get behaviour of modest automatically | 01:11 |
| vdv | behavior = led pattern, sound, notification counter | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dang, don't ask me | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe some sorta meta-macro | 01:12 |
| vdv | it's very interesting where is that defined | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | God knows | 01:13 |
| vdv | :) | 01:13 |
| vdv | and whether i'm allowed to use it | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | "when I wrote that code, only God and me knew what I was doing - now only God knows" | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 01:14 |
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| vdv | i've killed modest, thought, that category behaviour is defined by modest at runtime | 01:14 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer, http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/modest/blobs/master/src/hildon2/modest-platform.c#line1630 | 01:15 |
| vdv | it's all like a magic | 01:16 |
| vdv | meaning of "category" is not documented | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | vdv: that's defined somewhere in the abyss of hildon-notification-daemon or sth | 01:22 |
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| vdv | it's interesting, whether it's standard, or added by modest | 01:24 |
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| vdv | and if uninstalling modest will remove that category too | 01:25 |
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| vdv | /etc/hildon-desktop/notification-groups.conf | 01:57 |
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| topobot | Are there any companies developing smartphones with maemo? | 02:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | topobot, no. Maemo's not being developed commercially any longer. | 02:21 |
| topobot | which is the last smartphone with maemo? | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | The n900 | 02:24 |
| topobot | oh | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - arguably the n9 | 02:25 |
| topobot | is it good the n900? | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes. | 02:25 |
| topobot | or is it better iphone? | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | But it's two years old. | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Closing on three. | 02:25 |
| topobot | is there any benefit in comparation with iphone or galaxy? | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | At the moment - for 99.9% of users, no. | 02:26 |
| topobot | why? | 02:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | Because nokia has switched for the mmomet entirely away from linux, and is trying to push their windows handsets. | 02:28 |
| topobot | and what anout that os based on maemo and intel? | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | It fell apart. | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Meego. | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Gone. | 02:30 |
| topobot | oh yes meego | 02:30 |
| topobot | gone? why? | 02:30 |
| topobot | if im developer and i want to develop a tool for smarphone, which is the best os should i use? | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia became uninterested in the project. | 02:31 |
| topobot | i want to sell my app | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | If you do not have a spare ten or twenty million to invest in attempting to get a new plaform on the market, android, ios, or blackberry. | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | You may also consider windows phone, of course. | 02:32 |
| topobot | android or ios? | 02:33 |
| topobot | hi? | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | one of them. | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | The problem with either appstore is you are competing against tens of thousands of apps. | 02:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Windows may be somewhat better in that respect. | 02:38 |
| topobot | ummm | 02:38 |
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| topobot | maemo is linux> | 02:40 |
| topobot | ? | 02:40 |
| topobot | no android | 02:40 |
| topobot | is android linux? | 02:40 |
| nox- | their kernel is linux | 02:41 |
| nox- | (patched...) | 02:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Android is based on a linux kernel. | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | You might consider developing for N9. | 02:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | Which isn't - quite - a dead platform, though nokia are trying hard to kill it. | 02:44 |
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| topobot | why nokia wants to kill n900? | 02:47 |
| nox- | elop wants to push win phone... :/ | 02:48 |
| nox- | he killed n950 too | 02:48 |
| topobot | elop? | 02:48 |
| nox- | new nokia ceo | 02:49 |
| topobot | no business with linux based stuff? | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | There are no new linux based phones, other than android, which is sort-of-arguable. | 02:56 |
| topobot | and which are the differences between maemo and android? | 03:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Mameo is - compared to android - a 'normal' desktop linux | 03:15 |
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| topobot | so maemo is better than android? | 03:31 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: not really, it just has X11 | 04:24 |
| SpeedEvil | And libc, and runs binary apps, ... | 04:24 |
| luke-jr | topobot: Maemo is better, because it's designed for normal computing, not just a super-phone | 04:25 |
| SpeedEvil | there isn't for example - a JVM in the way of all apps | 04:25 |
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| topobot | what does it means "designed for normal computing"? | 04:25 |
| robbiethe1st | I want to see a Kubuntu Mobile phone. | 04:25 |
| robbiethe1st | topobot: you can do anything you can do with a normal Linux install with Maemo | 04:26 |
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| topobot | you mean, you can run linux software on maemo? | 04:27 |
| robbiethe1st | Which includes custom kernel modules, USB host(including odd stuff like USB soundcards and serial adaptors), etc. | 04:27 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes, though unless there's a version *built* for maemo, you have to run a chroot(like easy debian) to give the program the supporting files it needs. | 04:27 |
| topobot | maemo is more hackeable than android? | 04:27 |
| robbiethe1st | Far more. | 04:28 |
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| robbiethe1st | N900 is unlocked, both bootloader wise and carrier wise | 04:28 |
| topobot | but n900 is slow ? | 04:28 |
| Hurrian | not really. | 04:28 |
| robbiethe1st | Somewhat, yeah. Stock 600mhz, single core. | 04:28 |
| Hurrian | js-heavy webpages suck on microb, work fine in firefox with easy-debian | 04:29 |
| topobot | what can you do with maemo that you cannot do with android? | 04:29 |
| Hurrian | chrooting doesn't suck | 04:29 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh... run Open Office? | 04:29 |
| robbiethe1st | Run X-based apps natively | 04:29 |
| Hurrian | robbiethe1st, you can also chroot under android, it's just that performance sucks. | 04:29 |
| robbiethe1st | Because of no X server, just VNC | 04:30 |
| robbiethe1st | right? | 04:30 |
| Hurrian | to put it into perspective, launching OOo is as fast as desktop on N900 | 04:30 |
| Hurrian | it will take ~2 minutes on my Tegra 2 tablet | 04:30 |
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| topobot | i was wondering if its possible to connect a secondary camera with a n900? | 04:31 |
| joga | does android do usb host? | 04:31 |
| robbiethe1st | topo, yeah, I bet it is possible to use a USB webcam with it. | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | joga: In some circumstances, yes. | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | joga: It can suport various devices. For example, mass storage is common | 04:32 |
| robbiethe1st | You might have to use EasyDebian to find software that'll /use/ the usb camera, though. | 04:32 |
| robbiethe1st | Personally, I've used USB mode to run a flash drive, USB soundcard(giving me SPDIF out), and USB->Serial adaptor for interfacing with a CNC machine) | 04:33 |
| joga | I used a pololu servo controller with n900 (+ usb adapter) | 04:33 |
| robbiethe1st | Cool | 04:33 |
| joga | also you can use an arduino | 04:34 |
| joga | or anything that you can talk serial to via usb | 04:34 |
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| joga | also plugging keyb+mouse is a nice feat :) maybe with tv-out you could do word processing in easy-debian oowriter hehe | 04:35 |
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| Hurrian | joga, iirc the usb serial driver is in the maemo kernel | 04:44 |
| Hurrian | so yeah, it should work | 04:44 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Any tool to allow me navigate quickly to top/bottom? | 05:30 |
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| robbiethe1st | Uh, LaoLang_cool ? | 05:32 |
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| LaoLang_cool | robbiethe1st: sorry for my poor English, say I'm viewing a mms in fmms, and I'm in the middle of the long page, it's hard to go to the top/bottom of that page | 05:34 |
| robbiethe1st | try shift + up/down? | 05:34 |
| robbiethe1st | perhaps alt+up/down | 05:34 |
| LaoLang_cool | tried it, nothing happened.. | 05:35 |
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| robbiethe1st | darn | 05:37 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, I don't use it myself, so.. | 05:37 |
| LaoLang_cool | robbiethe1st: actually, I'm needing a universe way to go to top/bottom of a page on maemo :) | 05:38 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, DocScrutinizer final bq2415x charger patch with usb/wallcharger auto detection without breaking usb host mode is here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/bq2415x/0001-Added-bq2415x-driver.patch | 11:01 |
| freemangordon | Pali, you should have some sleep from time to time :P | 11:01 |
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| Itschue | good morning | 11:03 |
| Pali | I slept :) now about 15 minutes took me to add last missing think - wallcharger detection | 11:03 |
| Pali | so charging in kernel is ready | 11:03 |
| freemangordon | so, what now? | 11:03 |
| freemangordon | I still don't have the whole picture | 11:04 |
| Pali | now is needed to replace userspace closed libraries which use BME :D | 11:04 |
| freemangordon | so, the addon is half functional, what was that .so you were talking about | 11:05 |
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| Pali | it is wrapper for i2cget for bq27200 chip | 11:05 |
| * RST38h moos | 11:05 | |
| freemangordon | no, the another one, let me look into the logs | 11:06 |
| Pali | that library is needed to get i2cget work when bq27200.ko is loaded | 11:06 |
| freemangordon | Pali, libbmeipc | 11:07 |
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| Pali | ah, yes | 11:07 |
| Pali | library which communicate with bmw | 11:07 |
| Pali | *bme | 11:07 |
| freemangordon | who uses that? | 11:07 |
| Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/libbmeipc0/0.8.55+0m5/ | 11:09 |
| Pali | packages: pulseaudio-module-nokia-music hald-addon-bme pulseaudio-module-nokia-voice dsme pulseaudio-module-nokia-common testserver pulseaudio-module-nokia-record | 11:09 |
| freemangordon | yeah :) | 11:09 |
| Pali | also see that nokias hald-addon-bme using it | 11:10 |
| freemangordon | hmm, this one is 8k in i386 SB, let me chech on the device | 11:10 |
| freemangordon | the same, that will be a piece of cake | 11:10 |
| Pali | and osso-systemui-actingdead (systemui addon which shutdown device when battery is empty) needs hald-addon-bme | 11:11 |
| Pali | see http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/hald-addon-bme/0.0.17+0m5/ | 11:11 |
| Pali | try to look at some opensource libbmeipc version: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_libbme/ | 11:11 |
| Pali | maybe is compatible/same with that in n900 | 11:12 |
| freemangordon | let me fire hexrays | 11:13 |
| freemangordon | Pali, things not look good, that library does what it name states, i.e. calls bme through socket. | 11:16 |
| Pali | yes | 11:16 |
| Pali | I know | 11:16 |
| Pali | it is not easy | 11:16 |
| Pali | but better look at pulseaudio modules | 11:16 |
| Pali | they are opened on meego | 11:16 |
| freemangordon | we need to implement the whole bme functionality | 11:16 |
| Pali | and last package which use bme is dsme - which is open source | 11:17 |
| freemangordon | Pali, seems you have the knowledge, why don't you take that part | 11:17 |
| Pali | no time :-) | 11:17 |
| Pali | I created kernel driver | 11:18 |
| freemangordon | :) | 11:18 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 11:18 |
| Pali | going away | 11:18 |
| freemangordon | bb | 11:18 |
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| dre-s | how do I open and clean my N900 keyboards? thanks | 11:37 |
| dre-s | been searching the guide in the internet but found none | 11:37 |
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| BiggAl | dre-s I usually clean mine with compressed air, no need to open it up | 12:08 |
| BiggAl | You can get it fairly cheap on amazon/ebay | 12:08 |
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| Itschue | dre-s http://www.faq4mobiles.de/nokia-faqs-und-anleitungen/56779-nokia-service-manuals.html | 12:11 |
| Itschue | dre-s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVEHm325-z8 | 12:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | condolences Nokia: Samsung > Nokia yesterday. Todsay selling VERTU | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Flop did a comprehensive job, indeed | 14:19 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, i don't suppose vertu was making great profits | 14:21 |
| jaska | derrpu | 14:21 |
| zeq | He's trying to out do impressive job done to HP | 14:22 |
| jaska | making glitzed up s40 phones | 14:22 |
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| zeq | jacekowski: it made huge profits | 14:22 |
| jaska | profit per unit is probably ridiculous | 14:22 |
| jacekowski | i'm not so sure | 14:23 |
| zeq | just not significant revenue | 14:23 |
| jacekowski | materials costed a lot | 14:23 |
| jacekowski | and it's not like they sold millions of those phones anyways | 14:23 |
| zeq | it wasn't a volume unit | 14:23 |
| jacekowski | i can't really imagine who would buy those | 14:23 |
| jacekowski | those were not really any kind of business phones | 14:24 |
| zeq | no, they were for the elite classes | 14:24 |
| jaska | "elite" | 14:24 |
| zeq | yes, sorry "elite" :) | 14:25 |
| jacekowski | but it's not like you go to some kind of party and show off your phone | 14:25 |
| jacekowski | when you buy something like that it's for people to see | 14:25 |
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| jaska | s/see/steal/ | 14:26 |
| zeq | it's to see they don't have the same as the riff-raff | 14:26 |
| jaska | albeit a s40 phone would be preferable to a symbian one :) | 14:26 |
| zeq | "special" people, "special" phones | 14:26 |
| jacekowski | jaska: i don't suppose you can flog stolen phone like that | 14:27 |
| jaska | materials | 14:27 |
| zeq | you'd break it down | 14:27 |
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| jacekowski | i don't see how would you sell key shaped saphire somewhere | 14:28 |
| zeq | like famous jewelry | 14:28 |
| jacekowski | possibly gold and platinium | 14:28 |
| jacekowski | you can melt those | 14:28 |
| jacekowski | but rest of components would be hard to "recycle" | 14:28 |
| zeq | the point is though, Nokia could name the price. | 14:29 |
| zeq | Probably the more the price, the more demand up to a point. | 14:29 |
| zeq | Very exclusive market, without growth potential | 14:30 |
| zeq | but easy money | 14:30 |
| zeq | probably the very definition of niche | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: hehe | 14:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer would adore saphire buttons | 14:31 | |
| jaska | sapphire qwerty | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe a screen protector of monolitic diamant | 14:32 |
| zeq | who wouldn't want a device made from ideal components? price no object? | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course synthetic | 14:32 |
| jaska | price no object is not realizing how much the ideal materials would cost :) | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaska: keycap printing done by ion diffusion | 14:33 |
| zeq | :) | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | THIS wouldn't come off, like that crap: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10004 | 14:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'm definitely in love with sapphire qwerty | 14:35 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: screen is sapphire as well | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 14:37 |
| jacekowski | what a cheap knock-off then | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | 50 atom layers pure carbon, crystaline | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka diamant | 14:38 |
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| jacekowski | there is a lot of differen crystal arrangements of carbon | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | produced under vacuum by evaporizing carbon | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | THE surface finsih | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically one huge very thin diamant | 14:40 |
| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: diamond | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: thanks | 14:41 |
| r00t|home | damn those germans and their bad english... | 14:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wat meks iu sink eim german, nod sous afrikan? | 14:45 |
| r00t|home | suuuure... | 14:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually I'm not German, I'm a franconian - we invented english pronounciation before the British even learned to speak ;-P | 14:49 |
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| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: ah, a bavarian... *SCNR* *duck* *run* | 14:51 |
| Zucca | Hi. I'm having some serious problems with Maemo 5 CSSU testing. Apmd does not start and my N900 loses 2G/3G data connection constantly. I already changed my SIM card, but I had no effect. As my last hope I have decided to switch to Maemo 5 SCCU stable. Is it easy? Can it (downgrading) be done? | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://franken-wiki.de/index.php/Günter_Stössel#NZ-Fr.C3.A4nkisch-Video_mit_G.C3.BCnter_St.C3.B6ssel | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: definitely completely unrelated to CSSU | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, downgrading to CSSU-S can't be done | 15:02 |
| Zucca | Ok. | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | first take | 15:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders what's Apmd | 15:03 | |
| Zucca | I don't know of this data connection dropping... But I just had apmd upgrade. | 15:03 |
| Zucca | Advanced power manager daemon. | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, never heard of that | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it's that hoax published by this fool who claims he invented unix | 15:04 |
| jacekowski | like acpi | 15:04 |
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| jacekowski | but older | 15:04 |
| Zucca | I guess I need to buy N9. :P | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I know APM, but I definitely think it's not part of maemo | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ps aux|grep apm | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3268 root 4108 S grep apm | 15:05 |
| jacekowski | maybe it is | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# locate apm -> nothing that fits, except manpage | 15:07 |
| Zucca | I guess I could return backups from before swithing to testing... | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: toldya it's totally completely unrelated to CSSU | 15:07 |
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| Zucca | DocScrutinizer: Related or not. I didn't had the problem then. And then I could switch to CSSU stable. | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | CSSU neither messes with anything SIM related, nor with anything faintly resembling APM | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever you like | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know the story of the boy who kicked the electric power pole and whole NY went blackout? | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just hope that, when you find out your data connection still drops frequently after you rolled back to stock maemo, you won't start bitching CSSU fried your modem | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | and again, there is no such thing like apmd in any of my maemo systems | 15:13 |
| Zucca | Hm... Seems like those power manager stuff were depencies from some other package. Time to clean the mess. | 15:13 |
| Zucca | DocScrutinizer: That I know. At least now. | 15:13 |
| Zucca | DocScrutinizer: I'm not gonna blame anyone. | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | my idea is you installed some suspicious (to use an euphemism) power optimizer app that now causes your data connection to constantly disconnect | 15:14 |
| Zucca | I shouldn't have any of those. But I'll try to uninstall soem packages and try again. | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes, those crappy power-manager apps might easily conflict with some bugfixes in CSSU | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | or have other dependencies to stock maemo | 15:15 |
| Zucca | If I don't happen to stumble up on any depency problems. I've never been very "in sync" with dpkg. :P | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know of at least one such power/comnnection-manager package that doesn't cleanly uninstall | 15:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think it's been like two weeks into the past I last time explained some user in this channel. He fixed it by complete reflash, and after that NOT reinstalling auto-disconnect app | 15:17 |
| Zucca | I need to remove all "suspicious" repos too. | 15:17 |
| Zucca | I once tested that app. | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | see?! | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | it doesn't uninstall | 15:18 |
| Zucca | But not when usinf CSSU. | 15:18 |
| Zucca | And it plainly sucked then already. | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | auto-disconnect is messing up all your rtcom-connections/accounts AIUI | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and not restoring them on uninstall | 15:19 |
| Zucca | I chacked. I don't have it. At least package manager didn't find it. :P | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't mean a thing | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you said you once tested it | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | the mess lingers on | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | after uninstall | 15:20 |
| Zucca | I remember not using is on CSSU, so I might be safe? | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 15:21 |
| Zucca | Oh. :| | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | what makes you think CSSU would magically fix the mess auto-disconnect created? | 15:21 |
| Zucca | I thought I would uninstall fine IF NOT using CSSu. | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | mind you, CSSU is *not* a full reflash | 15:22 |
| Zucca | I know. | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, auto-disconnect never really uninstalls - unrelated to CSSU | 15:22 |
| Zucca | But the problem with auto-disconnect was with Nokia SSU too? | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 15:23 |
| Zucca | That makes it worse. | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | please don't quote me on any of the above, it's all second-hand. I never tested that crap myself | 15:24 |
| Zucca | I was really long time ago when I tested it... | 15:24 |
| Zucca | I won't. | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just talked users out of trouble caused by auto-disconnect | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never was able to remote-diagnose the root cause of the problems | 15:25 |
| Zucca | Let's see how my N900 performs now. I removed all the APMD stuff. | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | but the pattern always been the same: install then uninstall auto-disconnect -> run into trouble with data connections never getting stable again | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | do full reflash, enjoy absence of previous annoying problems | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | so all this boils down to "auto-disconnect doesn't cleanly uninstall and is messing up ICD2 and friends", in my book | 15:28 |
| Zucca | DocScrutinizer: In my case I had no problems after uninstall until about two weeks ago (not blaming CSSU, not denying that auto-disconnect is quilty). | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, yes. The last butterfly landing that's finally triggering the problems is mostly unclear | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | root cause however is mess created by auto-disconnect | 15:29 |
| Zucca | What is that ICD2? | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | the real problem showing any time later | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Internet Connection Daemon iirc | 15:29 |
| Zucca | Ok. | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | the master of all data connections on your system | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | similar maybe to knetworkmanager | 15:30 |
| Zucca | I really need to remove all other repos but officals... | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | you for sure shouldn't keep extras-devel enabled | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway you're in for a full reflash - this will reset your repo/catalog list no matter what | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (in for reflash) unless of course *you* are the one to finally spot the nasty bit auto-disconnect leaves on your system after uninstall, and find a way to fix it | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | last user gave up after one day of investigating, and reflashed | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 15:35 |
| Zucca | DocScrutinizer: In my case it loses connection to SIM card completely. | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's not a good sign | 15:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if it says "No SIM" that'S usually a hw-problem | 15:35 |
| Zucca | After 10secs or so it "gets back" the SIM card. | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I more than ever recommend a clean full reflash, to rule out any sw issues | 15:36 |
| Zucca | DocScrutinizer: That's what I thought. That's why I got new SIM. Stragely it happens randomly when browsing the net, but almost immediately when opening ssh connection. | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | reflash! | 15:37 |
| Zucca | Yeah. | 15:37 |
| Zucca | Something fishy... | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | do NOT install / reinstall any additional app beyond stock - then test | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | then install ssh *only* - RETEST | 15:38 |
| Zucca | I really don't have time atm. I'll try tomorrow. | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | np, please report | 15:38 |
| Zucca | Can I reflash with Linux? | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | SURE | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | only with linux ;-) | 15:38 |
| Zucca | I thought you need some special program to reflash. :P | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, flasher-3.5 | 15:39 |
| Zucca | Ok. So dd alone isn't enough. | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | available on Nokia download site | 15:39 |
| Zucca | Thank god. | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | you may also use 0xFFFF | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | an open source alternative flasher | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I wouldn't recommend that for a beginner | 15:40 |
| Zucca | Soemtimes those programs are Win only. And I would _not_ like to start playing with wine. | 15:40 |
| Zucca | I try the easy way. | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flashing | 15:40 |
| infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:40 |
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| Zucca | I need to transfer all the photos... I guess there's nothing more I need to to backup... | 15:41 |
| Zucca | Why it is always that when I'm using apt/dpkg based distro, I always get it into total mess in the end? | 15:50 |
| Zucca | I used Gentoo like five years reinstalling it only once, until I switched to Arch. I thing I would be Ubuntu user if only I wasn't totally incompatible with dpkg. :P | 15:52 |
| Zucca | Now every PC here runs Arch. | 15:53 |
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| Zucca | Oh well. DocScrutinizer I'll try to get the flashing done tomorrow. I'll report the results here. I already checked output of dmesg and it showed something related to connection being idle. | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 15:55 |
| Zucca | So it must be that fatal move to test auto-disconnect back then. | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least you now know what's been the problem :-D | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you also know how to fix and how to avoid it in future | 15:55 |
| Zucca | I sure hope that this isn't hw problem. :) | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I also hope that | 15:56 |
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| Zucca | It it is... Then I might buy N9. | 15:56 |
| Zucca | *If | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | we've seen a scary increase in frequency of reports related to hw failures in modem lately | 15:56 |
| Zucca | Ok. :\ | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | last victim been macer afaik | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: how's your SIM issue? | 15:57 |
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| Zucca | I't so sad that there's not much qwerty phones anymore. I can understand it when using tablet sized device. But it takes much patience to use OSD keyboard on phone sized device. | 15:59 |
| Zucca | *It's | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, indeed | 16:00 |
| Zucca | Especially when the keyboard uses halt of the screen. | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | common sense in here is that there's no valid successor of N900 | 16:00 |
| Zucca | *half | 16:00 |
| Zucca | Sadly. | 16:00 |
| Zucca | Ok. But I need to go now. \o | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm busy buying the last *new* N900 worldwide ;-D | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: seeya | 16:01 |
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| zeq | DocScrutinizer: when will you have enough??? okay I've already on my third N900... :/ | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here :-D | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, not really - I'm still using #1 and #2, third one is spare | 16:19 |
| zeq | got the first RMA'd | 16:19 |
| zeq | would let me have another after that, fobbed me off with an E7 which the girlfriend got stolen! | 16:20 |
| zeq | I had MicroUSB failure | 16:20 |
| zeq | twice! | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, no more repair. That's why I'm searching for *new* spare devices now | 16:20 |
| zeq | although the second one was iffy to start with :( | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | zeq: usb failure is a) known problem, b) on a certain percentage due to "mistreatment" by user, c) there's a preventive fix: | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix | 16:22 |
| infobot | usbfix is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 16:22 |
| zeq | Third one is holding up so far... I'm being *extra careful* | 16:22 |
| zeq | If I'd known they wouldn't give me another I would have kept the broken one | 16:22 |
| zeq | it was otherwise in perfect condition | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, never forget to write in BOLD: "I'LL NOT ACCEPT REPLACEMENTS BY ANY OTHER MODEL" on your RMA | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all it's *your* hardware, Nokia mustn't "steal" it | 16:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm actually surprised they haven't gotten sued all down the main road outa the town for doing this | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's been "The Fall of Man err Nokia" | 16:27 |
| zeq | they did. couldn't let me have it back apparently | 16:27 |
| zeq | they did steal it I mean | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | after they started this scam, things gone downhill monotonically | 16:28 |
| zeq | it's a sad, sad thing | 16:28 |
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| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if this "get a C? in replacement of your N900" actually started before or after Flop | 16:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | it *smells* like Evilop anyway | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | perfectly inline with his other moves to ruin Nokia FOSS | 16:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | zeq: You could still take it to court I guess | 16:36 |
| zeq | I'm not really that litigateous (sp?) | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | if Nokia is 'losing' your device and can't deliver a perfect replacement (I.E. a definitely unused never overclocked N900 or 100% compatible and equivalent successor), you're entitled to full refund of cost for getting such replacement elsewhere, incl your working time for finding such replacement | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | currewntly there are such new replacements occasionally on ebay, for 590EUR | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia just dares to do this scam on us because nobody actually wants to take the hassle to sue them and ask for full refund | 16:42 |
| zeq | It wouldn't have been an issue had they released the N950 or equiv. as originally planned | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 16:44 |
| zeq | Damn Flop | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | see "100% compatible equivalent successor" note above | 16:44 |
| zeq | wasn't arguing | 16:44 |
| zeq | was a Zaurus user before the N900, disappointment there too... | 16:45 |
| zeq | the SL-C3100 was almost a terrific device | 16:46 |
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| zeq | hampered by lack of VRAM. The PXA270 was used without its companion GPU chip, which is okay in devices with QVGA, since it had 256Mb of SRAM which could be used as high speed framebuffer. | 16:48 |
| zeq | With full VGA @16bpp that's a problem | 16:48 |
| zeq | Sharp had the opportunity for a killer Linux device in the next iteration | 16:49 |
| zeq | never happened, change of stragegy to WinCE | 16:50 |
| zeq | (or whatever mobile Windows was at the time) | 16:50 |
| zeq | I'm hopeful about Mer though... | 16:51 |
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| zeq | Looking like we might be having some nice new devices appearing | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I do wonder how locked the intel medfield devices will be. | 16:52 |
| zeq | hopefully something Nokia Internet Tablet/Zaurus like | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I find it annoying that there seem to be no public datasheets for the CPUs in question | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | - first phones are out now | 16:53 |
| rm_work | man, I miss my Collie | 16:53 |
| rm_work | I still have it somewhere... the battery is toast though, i think | 16:53 |
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| Macer | DocScrutinizer: don't know.. haven't put a sim in it in a few days | 17:08 |
| Macer | i don't have the tmob sim anymore and pulling the att sim out of the l900 is a pain | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 17:08 |
| Macer | i've been using the n900 as a nit | 17:08 |
| Macer | no sim | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | you checked the dmesg/syslog for cmt reset events? | 17:09 |
| Macer | yes | 17:09 |
| Macer | and there were | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 17:09 |
| Macer | i forgot the exact error | 17:09 |
| Macer | but it was a steady reset | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | final evidence for cmt/hw error | 17:09 |
| Macer | and shoving paper into it wasn't helping anymore :-/ | 17:10 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: ah well.. after 2 n900s i am done ;) not going to get another one | 17:10 |
| Macer | i'll use this one until i find a buyer willing to take it with a malfunctioning sim reader | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can feel with you | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry to hear that anyway | 17:10 |
| Macer | too bad because i love maemo | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 17:10 |
| Macer | last of the true linux phones :( | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo5, yes | 17:11 |
| Macer | maybe if nokia gets its bank account back up to par with where it used to be it may try again | 17:11 |
| Macer | or maybe some other company but i doubt it | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | there won't be any movement to the better, until they finally lynched Evilop | 17:12 |
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| Macer | lol | 17:12 |
| Macer | like i said.. maybe some other company | 17:12 |
| Macer | i do hope some day to get mer/plasma active on my transformer | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd very much like that | 17:12 |
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| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders what happened to raterphone | 17:12 | |
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| Macer | but looks like it is wp7, android, ios, and rim from here on out | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | rasterphone* | 17:13 |
| Macer | unless for some reason someone decides to go off the reservation | 17:13 |
| Macer | don't get me wrong. tbh... wp7 is actually well done | 17:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | last fuzzy "threats" of raster to "wait and see what's coming" are quite a while back | 17:13 |
| Macer | nokia did a good job with making a solid device with the l900 | 17:14 |
| Macer | and ms didn't do too bad of a job with teh OS | 17:14 |
| Macer | but it's just Microsoft IOS ;) | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh l900 aka hooker | 17:14 |
| Macer | with a hint of android here and there heh | 17:14 |
| Macer | believe it or not.. i think they stole the crappy way to rotate from maemo lol | 17:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer glares at hooker | 17:15 | |
| Macer | the tiles on the start screen stay in portrait ... then some apps rotate others don't :) | 17:15 |
| Macer | it's chaos lol | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | the only device of the ensemble that's not powered up - guess why | 17:16 |
| Macer | hooker?? :) | 17:16 |
| Macer | lol | 17:16 |
| Macer | we are talking about the lumia 900 right? | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~x es en lumia | 17:16 |
| infobot | lumia | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~stupid bot | 17:17 |
| infobot | Stupid human. | 17:17 |
| Macer | haha | 17:17 |
| Macer | ~x it en lumia | 17:17 |
| infobot | lumia | 17:17 |
| Macer | is lumia a made up word? | 17:17 |
| Macer | heh | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, it's the spanish word for hooker | 17:17 |
| Macer | uhm | 17:17 |
| Macer | no it isn't lol | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | pretty figurative for a Nokia hw running M$ OS | 17:18 |
| Macer | haha | 17:18 |
| Macer | ah wel.. i'm going to take a nap. but yeah.. n900 is toast | 17:18 |
| Macer | i haven't used it as a phone in over a week :/ | 17:19 |
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| Macer | ttyl | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.wordmagicsoft.com/dictionary/es-en/lumia.php | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>Anybody at Nokia speak Spanish? "Lumia" = "hooker" << http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3161850 | 17:20 |
| jaska | didnt they have a commercial in germany that said effectively "work will set you free", or is that apocryphal? | 17:22 |
| r00t|home | that's not from a commercial... | 17:27 |
| r00t|home | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | "Arbeit macht frei" is quite biased here | 17:28 |
| r00t|home | nazis put it at the entrances of concentration camps... | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>Kuga (Ford's SUV) in Slovenian means bubonic plague. And it seems that does not stop people buying them here :) And I, for one, would gladly say "let me check with my hooker if I'm free tomorrow" :)<< LOL | 17:28 |
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| jaska | honda also marketed a "fitta" in scandinavia | 18:02 |
| jaska | which is pretty close to cunt in swedish | 18:02 |
| jaska | i meant nokia commercial in germany that was close to arbeit macht frei | 18:03 |
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| cuppsy | Random question: anyone try or use Dvorak with their N900? | 18:14 |
| joga | heh, mitsubishi has an suv model called 'pajero', which is apparently 'wanker' in spanish | 18:16 |
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| luke-jr | cuppsy: kinda pointless | 18:58 |
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| luke-jr | … | 18:58 |
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| spark666 | hey DocScrutinizer sup?:) | 19:22 |
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| jaska | i think some vw transporter is perspano in spain | 19:30 |
| jaska | which would mean assfuck in finnish? | 19:30 |
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| r00t|home | "Several modern advertising campaigns in the German language, including ads for Nokia, REWE grocery stores, Burger King, and Merkur Bank have been marred by controversy after using the phrase Jedem das Seine or Jedem den Seinen." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedem_das_Seine | 19:36 |
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| Itschue | hello | 20:09 |
| Itschue | doscrutinizer are you here | 20:10 |
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| spark666 | its there a difference between armel and arm? | 21:01 |
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| merlin1991 | spark666: usually arm is short for armel ;) | 21:04 |
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| spark666 | merlin1991: tnx,didnt knew that..so n900 use arm :) | 21:09 |
| spark666 | nice! | 21:10 |
| zeq | spark666: arm can be little endian or big endian, arm just doesn't specify | 21:10 |
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| spark666 | so basically if i search for a arm .deb i can use it on n900? :P | 21:10 |
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| merlin1991 | .deb files have armel | 21:12 |
| merlin1991 | (in the filename) | 21:12 |
| merlin1991 | but you've got a big repo on maemo.org anyway, there's quite a lot of stuff in it | 21:13 |
| spark666 | merlin1991: so xxx-armel.deb right? or it works whit xxx-arm.deb to? | 21:13 |
| merlin1991 | xxx_armel.deb, and keep in mind that when you get debs compiled for other libs you can still run into problems | 21:13 |
| spark666 | yeah i know about the repo but i allways lloking for new stuffs :P | 21:13 |
| spark666 | looking* | 21:14 |
| spark666 | yeah i know that | 21:14 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, Pali, https://gitorious.org/libbmeipc/libbmeipc | 21:30 |
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| Pali | ok, nice to hear | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | still busy proofreading Pali's stuff | 21:32 |
| freemangordon | the only one complaining about that lib is hald-addon-bme(stock one) ;) | 21:32 |
| freemangordon | and this one returns hardoced 30 deg for temperature :D | 21:33 |
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| freemangordon | *hardcoded | 21:33 |
| freemangordon | will implement getting the real value tomorrow | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: temperature of what? | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | battery | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're planning to use the right sensor for that? | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | yep | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (rhetorical quation) | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | why not | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | question* | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | I plan to use the temp that bq module exports through sysfs | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | because most ignorants think it's temperature as of bq27200 | 21:47 |
| freemangordon | didn't understand you | 21:47 |
| freemangordon | AFAIK the temperature which bq27200 reports is battery temperature | 21:48 |
| freemangordon | correct? | 21:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope | 21:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see my last post | 21:51 |
| freemangordon | on TMO? | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | battery temperature sensor is ADCIN0 of GAIA | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | temperature of bq27200 is meaningless | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just the die temperature of a random chip somewhere on mainboard | 21:53 |
| freemangordon | aaah, ok. iirc it is exported through sysfs too, but I can't remember where :( | 21:53 |
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| freemangordon | anyway, I finished for today, will continue tomorrow. | 21:54 |
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| * freemangordon is far afk | 21:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer | even while freemangordon is far afk, just some background for the interested public: bq27200 chip has builtin temp sensor, which is meant to report battery temperature if and only if the chip is integrated into battery (like e.g. on Openmoko GTA02 smart battery) - on N900 however this bq27200 is *not* in battery but rather somewhere on mainboard where the chip's die temperature is completely unrelated to battery temperature | 21:59 |
| freemangordon | "/sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp" ? | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess that's the brokem CPU temperature sensor | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizeryeah | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | It's under /dev/*twl4030*/* iirc | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | It works for some processors | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Not mine | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | for mine it works until it freezes | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | not like "freezing water" | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | but like "it locks and doesn't change anymore" | 22:01 |
| freemangordon | could it be buggy driver? | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IIRC it'S a silicon erratum | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | freemangordon: They removed the temp sensor references on the next datasheet, and said 'doesn't work' in the forums | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | they = TI | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: /dev/twl4030-adc | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | beware! there are like 8 ADC channels | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | you prolly wanna look up the driver source | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ADCIN4 is BSI (battery resistor) | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll probably need ioctl to read them | 22:10 |
| freemangordon | yeah, I saw that | 22:10 |
| freemangordon | thanks | 22:10 |
| freemangordon | maybe i should use the same in hald-addon-bme | 22:11 |
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| bennypr0fane | Hello, does aynone how I can find out whcih version of U-Boot i have installed? | 22:26 |
| bennypr0fane | I'm not sure it's the latest one | 22:26 |
| bennypr0fane | I have Nokia kernel since I installed it, but I want Power kernel back | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need uboot+powerkernel, they are a "couple" | 22:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E. it's basically a kernel with implanted uBoot, and you only can flash the complete kernel (incl the uBoot part) | 22:31 |
| bennypr0fane | that's new to me | 22:32 |
| bennypr0fane | bcause when I installed Uboot, it flashed my kernel | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | so? | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't that exactly in line with what I said above? | 22:32 |
| bennypr0fane | I thought that I had to do that and then reflash power kernel to get both | 22:32 |
| bennypr0fane | I didn't know there was like a coupled package | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, when you flash powerkernel, it will nuke uboot | 22:33 |
| bennypr0fane | oh | 22:33 |
| bennypr0fane | :-D | 22:33 |
| bennypr0fane | it's kinda funny | 22:33 |
| bennypr0fane | so how can I do this | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's kinda the only way to implement it | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need uboot for powerkernel, or sth like that | 22:34 |
| bennypr0fane | because before you said they're a couple, but they both remove each other :-) | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | which correctly should be named "ubot *with* powerkernel" | 22:34 |
| bennypr0fane | hmhmhm... | 22:34 |
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| bennypr0fane | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 22:36 |
| bennypr0fane | the instructions in this thread are not leaving me any wiser | 22:36 |
| bennypr0fane | I can't see a package "combined" with power kernel | 22:37 |
| bennypr0fane | it just says you can create it yourself, or you can make dualboot | 22:37 |
| bennypr0fane | but I think by combined they actually mean 2 kernels | 22:37 |
| bennypr0fane | I don't want 2 kernels, no dualboot | 22:37 |
| bennypr0fane | just Uboot and power v50 | 22:38 |
| bennypr0fane | and here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83118& | 22:39 |
| bennypr0fane | it says "needed packages" from Uboot: U-Boot support (optional): | 22:40 |
| bennypr0fane | First from U-Boot for Nokia RX-51 with BootMenu thread install needed U-Boot packages. Then in Hildon Application Manager install package Linux kernel for power user (boot image for multiboot) | 22:40 |
| bennypr0fane | Or via apt-get package kernel-power-bootimg | 22:40 |
| bennypr0fane | do I need to get this boot image first, or do I do something to Uboot first? | 22:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bennypr0fane: ok, seems I've been wrong, the thread leaves me thinking uBoot loads kernel from NAND root partition form /boot/zImage | 22:46 |
| bennypr0fane | bcause latest Uboot is from 28 April, and I installed it way before that... | 22:46 |
| bennypr0fane | ah | 22:46 |
| Pali | if you want kernel power and u-boot, first install u-boot from thread and then install kernel-power-bootimg package | 22:46 |
| bennypr0fane | Pali will that work with any version of Uboot? | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | so in fact (if that's correct now) uBoot *replaces* "normal" kernel, and you need a special zImage kernel instead, that's loaded by uBoot then | 22:47 |
| Pali | no | 22:47 |
| Pali | only with my last | 22:47 |
| bennypr0fane | because I'm not sure which version I have now | 22:47 |
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| bennypr0fane | how do I make sure? | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: where from is uBoot loading the "stock" kernel? | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: HEYA°! | 22:48 |
| Pali | my u-booy image has attached zImage into u-boot binary | 22:48 |
| Pali | and u-boot binary is flashed into NAND | 22:48 |
| Pali | *default stock zImage | 22:48 |
| Pali | other kernels can be booted, if have proper /etc/bootmenu.d/ entry | 22:48 |
| Pali | and kernel-power-bootimg has that needed entry | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | so still uBoot+kernel live in mtd1 ? | 22:49 |
| Pali | yes | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, then I was right first | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least in that regard | 22:50 |
| Pali | I think it is still good idea to have one working kernel (stock pr1.3) attached to u-boot binary | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | is uboot pkg building this combo on device, or are you shipping prebuilt pkgs? | 22:50 |
| Pali | so if you drop/remove other kernel zimages, stock will always boot | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, otherwise no recover after fiasco flashing | 22:51 |
| Pali | I only ship u-boot+stock which is enaought | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 22:51 |
| Pali | but this u-boot has Bootmenu | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | so how would you boot KP? | 22:51 |
| Pali | read thread | 22:51 |
| Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a bit confusing | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 22:51 |
| Pali | u-boot can load zImage from eMMC | 22:52 |
| Pali | or SD card | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | gdda eyard is re | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~rot13 gdda eyard is re | 22:52 |
| infobot | tqqn rlneq vf er | 22:52 |
| Pali | if you create bootmenu entry and run u-boot-update-bootmenu, u-boot will create nice bootmenu | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid goddamn keyboard is broken | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, nope, no rot13 | 22:52 |
| bennypr0fane | :-D | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is the 3rd Unicomp board I've had die like that | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | One series of keys stops responding. | 22:53 |
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| bennypr0fane | General ANtilles i thought u were speaking a foregin language :-) | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: I still fail to understand what are the steps to get uBoot+KP | 22:53 |
| bennypr0fane | Pali me too | 22:53 |
| Pali | drop kp zImage to /boot, drop menu item to /etc/bootmenu.d/ and run u-boot-update-bootmenu | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ahaaa | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 22:54 |
| Pali | kernel-power-bootimg will do that | 22:54 |
| bennypr0fane | Uboot is not in Appmanager, so I cant' see the verison number there | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | okidoki :-) | 22:54 |
| bennypr0fane | Pali: could you translate that to "dumb user"-speak? | 22:55 |
| Pali | u-boot-update-bootmenu is script which create u-boot bootmenu script in MyDocs/ and when starting u-boot it try to load & run that script | 22:55 |
| Pali | bennypr0fane, if you want u-boot with kp, just install u-boot from that thread and after that install package kernel-power-bootimg from Extras-Testing | 22:56 |
| Pali | no more steps is needed | 22:56 |
| bennypr0fane | but that means I have to remove my curretn Uboot first, right? | 22:56 |
| Pali | yes | 22:56 |
| bennypr0fane | how to remove it? | 22:57 |
| Pali | first flash stock kernel | 22:57 |
| Pali | then check installed u-boot packages and remove them | 22:57 |
| bennypr0fane | stock kernel is in place | 22:57 |
| bennypr0fane | what command can I use to see waht I have installed? | 22:58 |
| Pali | flash stock kernel: $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-modules kernel-flasher | 22:58 |
| Pali | show installed u-boot packages: $ dpkg -l *u-boot* *uboot* | grep ^ii | 22:58 |
| Pali | remove packages: $ dpkg -P packages | 22:59 |
| bennypr0fane | why the need to flash stock kernel first if I already have it installed? | 23:00 |
| bennypr0fane | flashing successful... | 23:00 |
| bennypr0fane | that's weird | 23:02 |
| bennypr0fane | it says no packages found matching *u-boot* | 23:03 |
| bennypr0fane | Pali is there a typo? | 23:04 |
| Pali | and *uboot* too? | 23:05 |
| bennypr0fane | can I run both commands in 1 row? | 23:06 |
| bennypr0fane | or 1 after the other? | 23:06 |
| bennypr0fane | dpkg -l *uboot* gives a lot of funny output | 23:07 |
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| bennypr0fane | Pali: would you mind taking a look? http://pastebin.com/e3yS2zUk | 23:11 |
| bennypr0fane | I dunno... could it be Uboot was removed by flashing the kernel? | 23:14 |
| bennypr0fane | it seems to be gone now | 23:15 |
| bennypr0fane | thi sis so weird | 23:15 |
| Pali | bennypr0fane, that package is not installed | 23:15 |
| Pali | needs ^ii | 23:15 |
| Pali | ^ii means installed | 23:16 |
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| bennypr0fane | so uboot is not present right now on my N900? | 23:19 |
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| bennypr0fane | oh, so I DO have to run that as 1 command...? | 23:19 |
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| ShadowJK | installing "normal" power kernel or nokia kernel will overwrite uboot | 23:30 |
| bennypr0fane | ShadowJK nice | 23:34 |
| bennypr0fane | that explains how it disappeared | 23:34 |
| bennypr0fane | meaning I can now safely install the newer uboot? | 23:34 |
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| bennypr0fane | well, at least it won't eat my brain anymore... | 23:38 |
| bennypr0fane | I can't install u-boot-tools | 23:39 |
| bennypr0fane | it says not compatible | 23:39 |
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| Pali | bennypr0fane, what? | 23:56 |
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| peterbjornx | hello | 23:58 |
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