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| teotwaki | it's incredible that there are no recent slide-out keyboard smartphones these days | 14:59 |
| FIQ | I would like a phone running native Linux with X, and a slide out keyboard, that is pretty recent | 15:02 |
| FIQ | that's my only requirements for a phone | 15:02 |
| FIQ | is it so hard to live up to? D: | 15:02 |
| FIQ | N900 worked perfectly, but mine has started to really break apart recently | 15:02 |
| FIQ | guess it will just survive like ½ year longer | 15:02 |
| FIQ | max | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 15:03 |
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| dsd31g | hi, i want extract data from adressbook.db with perl. which dbm module do i need? (DBM_File, NDBM_File ...) | 15:29 |
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| jacekowski | sqlite | 15:36 |
| jacekowski | it's all sqlite | 15:36 |
| jacekowski | sqlite3 to be precise | 15:36 |
| dsd31g | jacekowski: ok, it is possible that i have an older version in which it is DBM | 15:37 |
| LaoLang_cool | Can give a minimum example? | 15:37 |
| Robot101 | jacekowski: ? no, it's libdb of some sort | 15:37 |
| teotwaki | FIQ: I'm not that difficult | 15:37 |
| teotwaki | FIQ: I just want a simple phone that has a good application / developer ecosystem, and a slide out keyboard. | 15:38 |
| FIQ | Heh | 15:38 |
| teotwaki | And something that won't suck donkey balls as soon as you throw 3 open apps at it. | 15:38 |
| jacekowski | i don't have n900 anymoe | 15:38 |
| jacekowski | but i'm pretty sure it's sqlite | 15:38 |
| teotwaki | I gave mine to my girlfriend. | 15:38 |
| dsd31g | jacekowski: but if i try sqlite3 addressbook.db '.tables' i get the error Error: file is encrypted or is not a database | 15:38 |
| teotwaki | .db is not a sqlite database | 15:39 |
| teotwaki | ".sqlite" is the extension. | 15:39 |
| jacekowski | not always | 15:39 |
| jacekowski | look for example for calllog | 15:39 |
| jacekowski | it's .db as well | 15:39 |
| teotwaki | just run file on it | 15:39 |
| dsd31g | teotwaki: addressbook.db: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 8, native byte-order) | 15:39 |
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| Robot101 | jacekowski: the conversation log is sqlite | 15:40 |
| teotwaki | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_DB | 15:40 |
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| Robot101 | the address book is libdb | 15:40 |
| Robot101 | but, you should access it via the eds library - maybe libebook has a perl binding? | 15:40 |
| teotwaki | Evolution - A free/open source mail client; contacts are stored in addressbook.db using Berkley DB | 15:41 |
| teotwaki | oh look, the same filename and the same file type! | 15:41 |
| teotwaki | woop woop! | 15:41 |
| dsd31g | Robot101: what is libdb? where can i find information about libdb? | 15:42 |
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| Robot101 | dsd31g: you don't really want to read the file directly - you should use libebook | 15:44 |
| Robot101 | otherwise you will need to parse the vcards yourself | 15:44 |
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| dsd31g | Robot101: so adressbook.db is not a berkeley db? | 15:45 |
| Robot101 | yes, libdb is berkeley db | 15:46 |
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| Robot101 | but what the abook program stores there is vcard strings | 15:53 |
| Robot101 | so you can't just access the address book fields as a table | 15:53 |
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| dsd31g | Robot101: how vcard strings are built? | 15:59 |
| Robot101 | some crap with lots of semicolons I think :) | 15:59 |
| Robot101 | libebook has a vcard parser in | 16:00 |
| Robot101 | maybe it would help if you could explain what you were trying to do? there might be some pre-existing code you could borrow from as inspiration | 16:00 |
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| dsd31g | Robot101: i want just get my data out of that fucking addressbook.db, because i haven't maemo anymore. | 16:03 |
| Robot101 | out and into where? | 16:04 |
| dsd31g | Robot101: in a simpler format. for example csv | 16:04 |
| Robot101 | is your N900 dead / gone / sold / ...? | 16:05 |
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| dsd31g | my N900 is dead | 16:05 |
| dsd31g | i actually just need the phone numbers and the names | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 16:07 |
| dsd31g | i think my problem aren't the vcards. my problem is the *dbm, because i cant get the vcards out of it. | 16:08 |
| Robot101 | its so hard to find the packages on the maemo.org website, sigh | 16:12 |
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| NIN102 | as last solution, simply open the file in an editor... | 16:14 |
| dsd31g | Robot101: which packages? | 16:18 |
| dsd31g | NIN102: yeah ok or with db_dump and some sed and grep. but there must be a proper way too. | 16:20 |
| Robot101 | dsd31g: i was trying to find the maemo.org package viewer (like packages.debian.org) so I could figure out the right libdb version and maybe advise something useful there | 16:21 |
| Robot101 | my other idea was to use eg syncevolution on the file to sync the contacts to gmail or something, but actually, there's no guarantee a desktop libebook would read the same file as maemo's libebook | 16:21 |
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| dsd31g | Robot101: thanks for the help. i will try it with db_dump now. | 16:31 |
| Robot101 | dsd31g: dumb question - did you try on a linux desktop and just copying addressbook.db over ./.local/share/evolution/addressbook/system/addressbook.db then killing e-d-s? | 16:33 |
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| Robot101 | then some e-d-s app, eg "contacts" might see them... | 16:33 |
| dsd31g | Robot101: ehmm... no. i don't use evolution | 16:34 |
| Robot101 | so? just install it | 16:36 |
| Robot101 | apt-get install contacts | 16:36 |
| Robot101 | is a simple gtk UI for e-d-s | 16:37 |
| dsd31g | Robot101: i'm just working on openbsd | 16:40 |
| Robot101 | wow... er... just get an ubuntu livecd? | 16:41 |
| Robot101 | just as a one-shot thing it might just give you all of your contacts in a GUI right away | 16:41 |
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| dsd31g | Robot101: where should i put the file? | 16:47 |
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| Robot101 | dsd31g: I just did find . -name addressbook.db | 16:48 |
| Robot101 | in my ~ | 16:48 |
| Robot101 | I guess killall e-addressbook-factory before putting the file in | 16:49 |
| Robot101 | then run contacts or evolution or something, it should reload the file and... maaaaybe it will work | 16:49 |
| Robot101 | it might also just fail entirely | 16:49 |
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| merlin1991 | some OT todo: I've got to copy a partition from one harddrive to another, I though of creating a partition identical in size and then just use dd to copy the content, but I'm stuck at creating the new partition | 16:57 |
| merlin1991 | heaven't found the proper tool yet where I can input the partition size so that I'm sure it's as big | 16:57 |
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| dm8tbr | merlin1991: just make it slightly larger, will work as well | 16:58 |
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| merlin1991 | dm8tbr: but that feels so wrong :/ | 17:00 |
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| merlin1991 | hm any ideas how big of a blocksize to use for that dd? | 17:04 |
| dm8tbr | merlin1991: if it's ext2/3/4 just run a resize2fs afterwards :) | 17:04 |
| dm8tbr | nowadays in most cases HUGE :) | 17:04 |
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| merlin1991 | dm8tbr: well I managed to fit the actual logical parition to the same size | 17:04 |
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| * dm8tbr usually sets bs=10M | 17:04 | |
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| merlin1991 | only the extended one is several cylinders bigger instead of 2 like on the main disk | 17:04 |
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| merlin1991 | fucking hell this is fast | 17:07 |
| merlin1991 | 192 MB/s according to dd | 17:07 |
| merlin1991 | time to try to mount the new partition | 17:08 |
| merlin1991 | dm8tbr: do you happen to know how I tell grub2 to start look for it's modules over there now? | 17:10 |
| merlin1991 | s/look/looking/ | 17:10 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: dm8tbr: do you happen to know how I tell grub2 to start looking for it's modules over there now? | 17:10 |
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| dm8tbr | hum? | 17:10 |
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| merlin1991 | the partition I moved contains the /boot --> the modules and config for grub | 17:11 |
| merlin1991 | now I need to tell the grub in the mbr to use this one instead | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dsd31g: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60526&page=3 | 17:11 |
| dsd31g | DocScrutinizer: i have solved the problem. i've found out that the names and the numbers are in the el-v1.db in the Remotes table too. | 17:13 |
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| dsd31g | DocScrutinizer: so i take them from there. | 17:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: info grub ;-) | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc <tab> enters an interactive console | 17:17 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Majority of Landmark Cancer Studies Cannot Be Replicated | 17:18 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: well it drops to a rescue shell anyway | 17:21 |
| merlin1991 | where you can locate the modules and get it running, but that isn't persistant | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc you can make it persistent in that shell | 17:22 |
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| merlin1991 | though how? :D | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | grub> setup (hd0) ?? | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | info:/grub/Installing GRUB natively | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>If you are not sure which partition actually holds this directory, use the command `find' ( find), like this: | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | This will search for the file name `/boot/grub/stage1' and show the devices which contain the file. | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Once you've set the root device correctly, run the command `setup' ( setup): | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | grub> setup (hd0) | 17:30 |
| merlin1991 | no such thing as stage1 in grub | 17:30 |
| merlin1991 | only in grub-legacy :D | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you use grub-II | 17:32 |
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| merlin1991 | yeah grub2 though according to their page there is no such thing as grub2, only grub(2) and grub-legacy aka grub | 17:33 |
| merlin1991 | silly devs | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | my manpages and ##info is for grub (one) | 17:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | konqueror: "##grub" | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | or shell `info grub` | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | (I really prefer konqueror for that particular task of reading info crap) | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: >>Using the command-line interface, you type the drive specification and file name of the kernel manually. In the menu interface, you just select an OS using the arrow keys. The menu is based on a configuration file which you prepare beforehand ( Configuration). While in the menu, you can switch to the command-line mode, and vice-versa. You can even edit menu entries before using them.<< | 17:41 |
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| merlin1991 | yep I know all that, but all that stuff gets lost upon actually booting an entry | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops, the "edit menu entries" doesn't imply persistence | 17:42 |
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| CyFus | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com seems to be down? | 19:46 |
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| Tofe | Hello ! | 20:35 |
| Macer | HI | 20:35 |
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| tadzik | hello there | 21:02 |
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| Macer | ugh | 21:37 |
| Macer | damn synology tls smtp stuff isn't working | 21:37 |
| Macer | is there some other port used for smtp using tls? | 21:37 |
| Pali | Macer: 465 or 587 | 21:40 |
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| vizzy | hi there. how about compiling an existing application for use on n900? do i need the whole scratchbox stuff? madde or sdk? its just a small vpn daemon called tinc. no need for qt and all that gui stuff | 21:43 |
| NIN101 | i would go with scratchbox | 21:44 |
| vizzy | i read through the 'howto' and it looks a bit complicated to me | 21:46 |
| vizzy | maybe i try, i really miss tinc on the device | 21:46 |
| tadzik | is there a working C compiler on n900? The gcc-4.6 package is empty, it would seem | 21:47 |
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| NIN101 | iirc, for that you have to activate some special repos. another way would be to use a chroot. | 21:49 |
| tadzik | I think I have them all, up to extras-devel. No -testing though | 21:49 |
| Macer | hm | 21:50 |
| Macer | there doesn't seem to be a 465 or 587 opened on the synology | 21:50 |
| Macer | this must be some sort of sick joke. but then again there isn't much in way of smtp configuration either | 21:50 |
| Macer | maybe the update for the dsm will be better | 21:51 |
| Macer | although i always thought that tls allowed for keeping stuff on standard ports | 21:51 |
| Macer | Pali: is that for ssl ? | 21:51 |
| vizzy | what special thing is Scratchbox Hathor ? | 21:52 |
| Pali | Macer: 25 is standard SMTP port, 465 is standard SMTPS (SMPT over SSL) and 587 is port for transmission (urd?) but now used for SMTP via TLS | 21:56 |
| Macer | hm i see | 21:57 |
| tadzik | what do people use for IMAP in n900? | 21:57 |
| Macer | i'm not seeing a port 587 on the synology | 21:58 |
| tadzik | the standard email client does not seem to support it | 21:58 |
| Macer | that sucks | 21:58 |
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| Macer | i should be able to connect to it with telnet and see it correct? | 21:58 |
| Macer | if tls is active? | 21:58 |
| Macer | i can see postfix on 25 | 21:58 |
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| Macer | damn. i was hoping to avoid having to make my own email server but i guess i am going to have to since the synology based one seems limited | 21:59 |
| Macer | i was messing with fengoffice heh | 21:59 |
| Macer | it is pretty nice | 21:59 |
| Pali | telnet does not support TLS | 21:59 |
| Pali | also port 25 is used only for standard SMTP | 21:59 |
| Pali | for testing SSL/TLS layer use openssl: openssl s_client -connect host:port | 22:01 |
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| ShadowJK | I'm using the standard email client for imap | 22:06 |
| ShadowJK | you only see subscribed folders though and can't subscribe/unsubscribe stuff. | 22:07 |
| RST38h | Try it for pop3 and suffer! | 22:07 |
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| Macer | Pali: but at the least it would connect to the port | 22:18 |
| Macer | and show garbage ;) | 22:18 |
| Pali | yes | 22:18 |
| Macer | i'm not getting that | 22:18 |
| Pali | you can use nc for testing if you can connect to port | 22:18 |
| Macer | but like i said. the config on a synology box is rather basic | 22:19 |
| Macer | it is just a tick for "enable smtp" there aren't really many more options for it | 22:19 |
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| Pali | that you have bad email client ;) | 22:34 |
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| [1]Hockmeister | is it possible to install Maemo on non-Nokia phones? | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 22:47 |
| [1]Hockmeister | why not? | 22:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Because maemo contains binary copyright elements | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | that will ony run on the n900/n950/n9 | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, you could make replacement for all the closed bits. | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | But it's man-years of work | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | and almost impossible as there's no docs about what those blobs do | 22:52 |
| [1]Hockmeister | ok. this may notbe the best place to ask this question. How would I install a different OS on a phone like LG T300? What are my options? | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | If you're replacing _all_ the nokia copyright - then it sorta gets easier | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: indeed | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | [1]Hockmeister: It's an enormously complex task. | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | [1]Hockmeister: Firstly, you start out working out if it will boot your desired OS. Then you work out if drivers support all your hardware. | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | again manyears of work | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Then, the software part. | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 22:53 |
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