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DocScrutinizeraaah00:49
DocScrutinizerhi javispedro00:49
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I was a bit confused ;-D :: >>00:50
DocScrutinizer[2012-03-26 21:53:40] [Notify] apt ist online (kornbluth.freenode.net).00:50
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DocScrutinizerthe timestamps differ though00:51
* javispedro wants botsnack00:51
DocScrutinizerhehe00:51
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DocScrutinizeranyway, I'll try to be hard to myself, and go to sleep - sth I missed last night00:52
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DocScrutinizertimmy should /join #maemo-ssu00:57
DocScrutinizertimmmyyyyy00:58
DocScrutinizer(southpark flashback)00:58
DocScrutinizerohmy, good night #maemo00:58
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SiceloI installed u-boot (Pali's version), and i could only boot stock kernel, instead of KP49 i had before.. now device doesn't even boot at all - but gets stuck at 'Booting kernel..." state. any suggestions?07:43
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Sicelobesides using NIN101's RescueOS07:44
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loz`hello08:27
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loz`i installed backupmenu from devel, and now phone doesnt start now =\08:28
loz`ok, after i get out / insert battery it starts08:30
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Sicelo:)09:29
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DocScrutinizerI wonder what you're doing10:01
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Sicelome?10:04
DocScrutinizeryes, you too10:05
DocScrutinizeryou're aware that uboot and kernel form a compound10:05
DocScrutinizer?10:05
DocScrutinizerand you're aware that kernel and modules in rootfs have to match?10:06
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Siceloyeah.. i installed quite carefully according to Pali's instructions10:07
DocScrutinizermhm10:07
Siceloi guess i'm one of the unlucky ones with 2204 hw revisions10:07
DocScrutinizerso "i could only boot stock kernel, instead of KP49 i had before" actually means when you prepared a uboot+kernel compount with kp49, it fauled?10:08
DocScrutinizerand when you did same with stock kernel, it worked?10:09
SiceloPali provides an image with all kernels (in /boot .. and the corresponding bootmenu entries)10:09
Siceloso i didn't have to do any configuring on my part10:09
DocScrutinizererrr10:10
Sicelobut only stock booted at first. now i just get stuck at uboot screen10:10
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DocScrutinizerstill every kernel yu boot *needs* matching modules10:11
freemangordonSicelo, my second n900 is 2204, NP with u-boot10:11
Sicelothe modules are still there10:11
DocScrutinizerSicelo: the MATCHING modules, not a random selection of any modules10:13
DocScrutinizerkp49 needs modules built for kp4910:13
Siceloi mean kp49 modules10:13
Siceloi have them10:13
Siceloi wonder if there's some way to 'override' uboot10:14
freemangordonuse flasher to flash only the kernel10:14
DocScrutinizerif you have one or two bad blocks too much in NAND, the space in kernel mtd partition might simply be too small10:14
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DocScrutinizerthis is not related to hw-rev10:17
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, actually there were times it was IIRC10:17
DocScrutinizero.O10:17
freemangordonbut yeah, not now10:17
freemangordonI remember titan had hard times with KP45 and u-boot10:18
SiceloFabry too http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=4841010:18
DocScrutinizersure, so what?10:18
Sicelonothing DocScrutinizer. just mentioning10:19
DocScrutinizerI'm just saying there are other specific properties of the particular device than hw-revision10:19
Siceloi hve been wanting to flash device for a while now.. maybe this is the opportunity :/10:19
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DocScrutinizerand the problem of size(kp)+size(uboot)>free(kernel_mtd) is not new at all10:21
DocScrutinizerI'm not sure you even get a notice or warning when the "kernel" image you want to flash is >free_in_nand10:23
DocScrutinizerprobably not even without any bad blocks10:23
DocScrutinizeri.e. when your kernel img is larger than _nominal_ size of kernel partition10:24
DocScrutinizerprobably kernel gets simply truncated at end10:24
DocScrutinizerup to you too figure the results10:25
DocScrutinizers/too/to/10:25
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: up to you to figure the results10:25
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DocScrutinizeron the bright side: initrd partition is unused and directly follows kernel partition. So we _could_ ignore partition size resp repartition for larger kernel and smaller initrd partition10:29
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DocScrutinizeralas partitions are hardcoded to flasher afaik10:29
DocScrutinizerand to NOLO, and to uBoot, and to kernel - I guess10:31
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Sicelobtw / is on which /dev node?10:41
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merlin1991Sicelo: ubi0:rootfs11:01
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Sicelothanks merlin1991 :)11:03
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Macerwow11:07
Macerwith no widgets my damn n900 is lasting like 4x longer on a charge11:07
Macerwth?11:07
jogaare you surprised?11:08
Maceri figured widgets would stop running once the screen was turned off11:08
MohammadAGObviously if a widget is polling for data or using a lot of CPU then it'll use up battery11:08
jogabut they gotta deliver you the news and so on11:08
Macersort of yes11:08
MohammadAGDepends how the widget is coded11:08
joga(and some widgets are plain crap)11:08
MohammadAGMaemo doesnt suspend anything as an OS11:08
jogathere was some egg timer thingy that hogged 100% cpu and was crap anyway11:08
Macerthat sucks11:08
MohammadAGThat's android11:09
jogaoh11:09
Macercan the widgets bemade to stop polling data when the screen is off?11:09
jogaconfigure them to poll every hour instead of every 15min11:09
MohammadAGObviously they shouldn't be polling dat11:09
MohammadAGA11:09
Macer1/4th the life is a little out there :)11:09
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Macerheh11:09
MohammadAGThis is why iOS suspends apps in the background11:10
Macerlol11:10
Macerfair enough11:10
MohammadAGAnd doesn't have widgets11:10
Macermaybe something cssu can fix... suspending widgets during sleep11:10
Macer:)11:10
MohammadAGNot really11:10
Macerdamn11:10
Macerah well11:10
MohammadAGAsk devs to fix their widgets11:10
scriptI fixed the USB of my N900 thanks to awesome documentation :) just in case anyone is interested: http://dmidv.de/articles/11/thanks-for-the-fuse-nokia-or-how-to-fix-your-n90011:10
Macerlol11:11
MohammadAGFixing it at a higher level would be dumb11:11
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Macera power down api?11:11
Macer:)11:11
loz`hello again11:11
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loz`while installing cssu, i had problems with proxy and canceled console installation11:12
Maceruh oh... did the n900 explode?11:12
Macer:)11:12
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loz`and now i'm trying to reinstall CSSU, but menu item doesnt' appear again =\11:13
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loz`Macer: any way to run installation again?11:16
MohammadAGsudo install-community-ssu loz`11:16
MohammadAGIf it says it's already installed11:17
loz`hm11:17
MohammadAGdpkg -r mp-fremantle-community-pr11:17
loz`as root, says command not fount11:17
loz`*found11:17
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* Sicelo is kinda tired of this u-boot issue.. booting Debian for now.. 11:18
loz`MohammadAG: says it removed, should i try again from beginning?11:19
MohammadAGdpkg -r mp-fremantle-community-pr; apt-get --reinstall install community-ssu-enabler11:19
MohammadAGRun that as root11:19
loz`ok11:19
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loz`just to clarify situation - does gui network proxy settings affect console apps?11:21
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StyXmanloz`: most probably no, but check the envvars11:24
StyXmanthere must be a http_proxy envvar defined11:24
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StyXmanmost CLI apps take the froxy from there11:24
loz`ok, but menu icon runs terminal installation11:24
loz`so there should i define env proxy vars?11:25
loz`*where11:25
StyXmanloz`: if you want to define them system wide...11:26
MohammadAGRead https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1191511:27
povbotBug 11915: Community SSU script doesn't work if you are behind a proxy11:27
loz`>_<11:27
MohammadAGIt has a solution11:27
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loz`ok, i see11:28
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MohammadAGIf you can type the server again I'd suggest using the method in the first post rather than the one using gcobf11:28
MohammadAGGconf11:28
loz`well, i already exported vars, so11:29
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MohammadAGWonder if we should patch busybox to these vars from gconf11:32
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loz`ok, looks like downloading working11:38
loz`thanks everybody :)11:38
teotwakisup maemo11:40
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MohammadAGloz`: You're welcome :)11:57
ErwinJungeI've got a weird application install/upgrade issue. It's complaining about not having enough memory, while I'm pretty sure there should be plenty. rootfs has 63.7MB and opt has 514MB free space. I searched tmo but didn't find any solutions. Any ideas?11:58
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DocScrutinizer51there's a silly equation in HAM do determine what's 'enough free space', sth along soizeof(/home)/812:01
DocScrutinizer51ErwinJunge: see latest CSSU changelogs12:01
StyXmanDocScrutinizer51: would fam be a workaround?12:01
DocScrutinizer51fam is deprecated in my book12:01
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StyXmanaha? any particular reason?12:02
DocScrutinizer51but probably yes, it shouldn't have same silly test12:02
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DocScrutinizer51yes, it's missing a lot of special tings HAM does. Not all of those are as silly as this test12:03
DocScrutinizer51afk, bbl12:03
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ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer51: What am I looking for in the changelogs?12:06
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer51, ping12:39
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DocScrutinizer51pong13:45
DocScrutinizer51ErwinJunge: sorry cant check right now, mobile ;)13:47
ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer51: No problem, have had this issue for about 2 weeks now and didn't bother to look further until now, so not really in a hurry :)13:48
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer51, hmm, would you happen to know if lets say you set n9 to openmode (this is with pr1.1 specifically). Are you able to restore backups that you made prior to installing openmode?13:49
DocScrutinizer51sorry13:49
psycho_oreosI guess no, ah well thanks anyway :)13:50
DocScrutinizer51 i suggest /join #harmattan13:50
psycho_oreosyeah I'm there, gonna ask them I suppose13:50
DocScrutinizer51afaik the backup format changed13:51
DocScrutinizer51seem to recall a note of this in nokia pr12 changelog13:52
psycho_oreosyeah I would imagine nokia wouldn't let certain things stay the same way if and when such things that bypasses security/DRM has been pulicised13:52
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psycho_oreosahh so in other words pr1.1 shouldn't be affected I suppose13:52
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DocScrutinizer51psycho_oreos: maybe was PR1.1 changelog14:05
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer51, if that were the case you're now scaring a potential pr1.1 openmode user away :D14:06
DocScrutinizer51anyway changelog is the palce you wanna visit14:06
psycho_oreosthough it may not affect me severely but I'd be happy if I could simply restore and go from there rather than starting from ground up14:06
* psycho_oreos nods14:06
psycho_oreosyeah I'll have to look into that, lemme guess its on your site? where you hosted that openmode kernel?14:07
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DocScrutinizer51prolly not14:07
DocScrutinizer51at official nokia download site14:07
ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/27/apple_nokia_sim/14:07
DocScrutinizer51I guess you could find it *inside* OCF images as well ;)14:08
DocScrutinizer51if you know how to find *anything* in there14:09
psycho_oreoshmm nokia download site, gonna have to dig it up14:09
psycho_oreosyeah, I can imagine its a mess as usual lol14:09
psycho_oreosobfusication is their goal, nothing new :D14:10
DocScrutinizer51compressed rootfs img14:10
DocScrutinizer51not meant to search for files there14:10
DocScrutinizer51anyway OT here14:11
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DocScrutinizer51see /topic in #harmattan14:12
DocScrutinizer51has link where changelog will bite you14:13
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DocScrutinizer51lunch break over, bbl14:16
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psycho_oreosthanks for the info DocScrutinizer51 :D14:21
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pahi17:42
pahow did people use to compile  apps using mce-dev?17:45
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merlin1991why do you need mce?17:47
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pai want to write a toggle for the wlan17:47
SiceloPali: ping17:47
pai've been told i can do that with mce17:48
merlin1991usually you would compile in scratchbox17:48
PaliSicelo: ping17:48
Palipong17:48
paah i see, so i cant do that in qtcreator, right?17:48
Siceloi seem to have made a mess of uboot :/17:48
Siceloi can't boot into maemo17:49
pathen i'll try to set it up17:49
merlin1991well you can if you find the right packages to fill in to madde17:49
merlin1991though setting up scratchbox is probably easier17:49
padoes it work on windows?17:49
PaliSicelo, do you flashed combined image?17:49
merlin1991no :/17:49
paok, thanks :)17:49
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paso, also for mce api, i can find those headers only inside the scratchbox, right?17:50
merlin1991yes17:50
paand i assume they are not documented anywhere17:50
merlin1991maybe on wiki.maemo.org17:50
SiceloPali: i had bootmenu.. then installed uboot, and the images supplied. stock kernel would boot fine, and kp49 wouldnt. no even stock doesn't wrok17:50
paah thanks , i can check17:50
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Siceloi don't mind a reflash, if absolutely needed, but i doubt so :/17:51
PaliSicelo, you need to reflash only kernel image, if you something broke...17:52
Palibut I think you should boot stock kernel without problem17:52
Pali(Nolo Boot)17:52
Palistock kernel image is attached to u-boot binary, so booting should work17:52
Siceloi'll retry at home... for now it just shows Booting kernel.. and shuts down in a few minutes17:53
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Sicelowith this command, no luck yet, flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20\[1\].2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f19:47
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Sicelolooks like i'll end up having to perform a real flash19:52
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Sicelojust stays on white NOKIA screen .. then shuts down after a while19:53
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Sicelobeautiful.. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1181681&postcount=2 .. i bricked it :(19:57
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* Sicelo boots into debian to charge device for a while and copy important stuff out of it first19:59
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SiceloNIN101: ping20:11
NIN101Sicelo: pong20:11
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Siceloquick question.. resueOS has option to enable usb networking. how is one to use it, as there'res no ssh server supplied?20:12
Sicelosorry for spelling =(20:13
NIN101telnetd20:13
Siceloah :)20:13
Siceloi think i'll do my 'rescue' work in debian though.. just need my  configs in /etc mostly20:14
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Siceloi suppose i fscked up somewhere with u-boot :/20:15
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NIN101:-)20:17
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Siceloyeah. seems flasher is safest way to play with kernels after all :/20:18
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NIN101yep.20:20
DocScrutinizerSicelo: bootmenu is absolutely unrelated, I'd say20:20
DocScrutinizeras that happens after booting into rootfs of maemo20:21
Siceloand, yes, great s/w is RescueOS tanks :)20:21
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SiceloDocScrutinizer: i must say i don't fully understand how the 'latest' version of u-boot works.. but aiui  this one is tied in with bootmenu, and is advertised as such20:26
DocScrutinizeruboot is a chainloaded bootloader much like uBoot, or grub20:27
DocScrutinizers/uBoot/NOLO/20:27
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: uboot is a chainloaded bootloader much like NOLO, or grub20:27
DocScrutinizerbootmenu for all I know is a set of scripts executed during sysinit20:28
DocScrutinizeryup, fanoush's bootmenu20:28
Siceloyes. and i've been using bootmenu all along, with backupmenu mostly.20:29
DocScrutinizermy memory was right20:29
DocScrutinizerso again, uBoot and bootmenu are different universe20:29
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Sicelolatest u-boot seems to make them neighbors though20:30
DocScrutinizerone is loading and starting the kernel, the other is executed by kernel20:30
DocScrutinizerharly20:30
DocScrutinizerhardly20:30
DocScrutinizerI guess you're mixing up things20:31
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Siceloi know you rightly don't click random links.. but check out this one -- http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8161320:34
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szop|afkStyXman: fapman will be a workaround, it downloads to opt, ham uses rootfs, so if package installed size >= 0.5rootfs free space is a no go21:20
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StyXmanheeh21:21
szop|afkfapman checks claimed size vs free rootfs21:21
szop|afksorry, ham claimed size + dl has to be < free rootfs21:21
szop|afkat least it seems so21:21
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szop|afkwould be nice addition to fap/ham to count optified files, though no idea how to achieve that before download21:23
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szop|afkthen even claimed size is usually lot slower if no optification took place thanks to compressiononthego on root21:24
szop|afklower*21:24
szop|afkslower too i guess21:26
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szop|afkanyone used instinctiv to id song successfully?21:44
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szop|afkI'll take that as a no21:56
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ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer51: If you're still here: what did you want me to look at in the cssu changelogs? (regarding the application memory full but really not full problem I have)22:58
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Echtor2oo3hello, where can i find "udef.h"? any idea?23:13
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andre__Echtor2oo3, providing more context would be highly welcome.23:22
Echtor2oo3i try to compile wolf:ET on meamo... the compiler says "udef.h no such file.."23:23
andre__on my desktop computer it is located under /usr/src/debug/libcdio-0.82/include/cdio/udf.h23:23
Echtor2oo3udef.h =)23:23
andre__argh23:23
andre__so much for my reading skills tonight :)23:24
Echtor2oo3google cant help... just some bsd links :/23:24
DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: ask merlin1991 or freemangordon or Pali23:24
DocScrutinizer:-D23:24
DocScrutinizerI think 2 of the 3 were discussing the issue23:24
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PaliI never heard about udef.h...23:26
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ErwinJungeOk, let's start with Pali: I have a weird issue where HAM says that I don't have enough memory, but I have 66MB rootfs and 500+MB opt left. Any ideas?23:27
Echtor2oo3argh... error: .../../etmain/ui/men\nudef.h not found xD damn23:29
ErwinJungeEchtor2oo3: wolf:ET? Is that even remotely a possibility performancewise?23:29
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Echtor2oo3ErwinJunge: its just a test, quake3 works on the n900... why not ET?23:30
Echtor2oo3i read about 30-60 frames on q3 :P23:31
ErwinJungeI tried to get a Quake1 derivative (DarkPlaces) working a long time ago, couldn't get it above 7fps :) But admittedly it was a bit half-assed. I guess that if you actually know what you're doing you could get it to work.23:31
Echtor2oo3ErwinJunge: google, there lots of topics about quake3 on the n90023:32
ErwinJungeDoes wolf:ET use the q3 engine?23:33
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Palibug in HAM23:34
Paliyou need to have 8% free space in /home23:34
Palielse HAM show that stupid message23:34
Echtor2oo3ErwinJunge: yes... thats why i rty it23:34
ErwinJungePali: That is extremely funny and a very simple solution (assuming it works, I'll try in a bit). Is this something that can be fixed in the CSSU?23:35
Echtor2oo3i know it works... but i cant code something myself... i hope it works with compilig the source >_>23:36
ErwinJungeSeems to be the likely cause, I'm at 93% usage. Stupid bug though, with my 8G /home this already starts to happen at over 500MB free space :(23:37
ErwinJungeEchtor2oo3: Good luck, I hope it works better than my quick try with DarkPlaces did :) Getting something to work at all is always fun though.23:38
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ErwinJungePali: Thanks, it works again now :)23:45
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Echtor2oo3ErwinJunge: i fix the error, wolfET is still compiling :D23:53
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