| sopin | compiling dcss with it results in reboot | 00:00 |
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| NIN102 | let me be honest: it will be much effort and as you see: full of trouble. And it won't work anyway. | 00:00 |
| sopin | and it is also 12h task | 00:00 |
| sopin | why? missing libs? | 00:00 |
| sopin | I actually have attached more than uease of use to compiling on device | 00:00 |
| sopin | want a time when you can flash N900 with a N900 | 00:01 |
| NIN102 | no, because pali's /proc/bootreason patch isn't enough to get nemo kernel to work on fremantle... | 00:01 |
| sopin | get rkid of any desktop dependency | 00:01 |
| sopin | trying to compile meego 37 | 00:01 |
| sopin | just a test for now | 00:01 |
| sopin | troubleshooting later | 00:01 |
| sopin | if it can be built, we have... fully self sustaining machine | 00:02 |
| sopin | not relying on desktop is key to call N900 a pocket computer for me | 00:03 |
| NIN102 | it's already reality. | 00:03 |
| sopin | compile kernel then | 00:03 |
| sopin | :) | 00:03 |
| sopin | or flash N900 with a N900 | 00:03 |
| sopin | you still need desktop for those, no? | 00:03 |
| sopin | kill the middle-man and you have a full pc | 00:04 |
| Sicelo | MAG has flashed N900 by another N900 | 00:04 |
| sopin | withnout opengl, but those are just distractions | 00:04 |
| sopin | link pls | 00:04 |
| Sicelo | none | 00:04 |
| sopin | will setup my spare for it | 00:04 |
| sopin | I can forget maintaining a device I use 23:00-1am for good then | 00:05 |
| sopin | and reflash on thne bus | 00:05 |
| Sicelo | h-e-n + flasher .. u probably realized there's flasher binary right inside maemo | 00:05 |
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| sopin | yup | 00:05 |
| sopin | never expected it to work N900-N900 though | 00:06 |
| Sicelo | it does | 00:06 |
| sopin | gonna try that next | 00:06 |
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| sopin | consideroing I have all I need inbetween calls in work, this is just pure awesomeness | 00:06 |
| Sicelo | but be nice to your cpu and emmc. they won't last forever. i say this wrt kernel compiling, etc | 00:07 |
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| ketas | hmm... are there actually places where recording your phone call is illegal | 00:07 |
| sopin | flasher was there before hen, so no idea what for, sure thing | 00:07 |
| Sicelo | yes | 00:07 |
| Sicelo | ketas: yes | 00:08 |
| ketas | where?! | 00:08 |
| Sicelo | sopin: afaik it's used for kernel updates (maybe even firmware upgrades OTA) | 00:09 |
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| sopin | oh, ok | 00:10 |
| sopin | thought it was a tool without a use as no utg | 00:11 |
| Sicelo | ketas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws | 00:11 |
| sopin | would mag flash be on tmo or rather irc logs? | 00:12 |
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| Sicelo | sopin: i talked with him here, so logs will have it. but there's nothing fancy about it really. h-e-n won't even need external power | 00:14 |
| sopin | nvm, gonna try it myself, who can recommend a good hen cable? | 00:14 |
| sopin | oops | 00:14 |
| sopin | second part still stands, gonna google the logs in case something has to bet tweaked just in case | 00:15 |
| Sicelo | nothing to tweak | 00:15 |
| sopin | :D | 00:15 |
| Sicelo | just get flasher ready in time | 00:15 |
| sopin | ? | 00:16 |
| sopin | before connecting? | 00:16 |
| Sicelo | at least before enumerating | 00:16 |
| sopin | please elaborate | 00:16 |
| sopin | on khubuntuh I just start it and it waits | 00:17 |
| sopin | on windoze I can start it later | 00:17 |
| sopin | is there timing restriction? | 00:17 |
| Sicelo | yes .. i mean as in kubuntu | 00:18 |
| sopin | so before | 00:18 |
| Sicelo | yes | 00:18 |
| sopin | any recommendations as to cable? | 00:18 |
| Sicelo | you could do it after, but before is best and almost foolproof | 00:18 |
| sopin | I got quite scared of hen threads because of the filing of edges | 00:18 |
| Sicelo | cable - your n900 + female-to-femal adapter | 00:19 |
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| sopin | which in addition to USB-Breaking off seemed like a foolish idea to try right after acuiring this piece of art | 00:19 |
| sopin | q* | 00:19 |
| Sicelo | that's what i use to run my cdma modm off N900 | 00:20 |
| Sicelo | :) | 00:20 |
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| sopin | did you have to file off edges of the usb connector? | 00:20 |
| Sicelo | no | 00:20 |
| sopin | could you name the cable then? | 00:21 |
| sopin | I'm bit worried about the whole usb thing | 00:21 |
| sopin | not a hotwire it DIY guy really | 00:21 |
| Sicelo | those threads refer to one of two things - 1) filling the hooks at bottom side of cable .. that just makes it easier to pull out, or, 2) people who adapted N8 otg cable for use on N900 | 00:22 |
| Sicelo | your normal usb cable, ca-101 is fine for hen. just buy a usb female-to-femal adapter | 00:22 |
| sopin | could you point me to a ebay/whatever site that sells ready to go cable, I'll just write down its serial nr or whatever | 00:23 |
| sopin | oh ok | 00:23 |
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| sopin | thanks! | 00:23 |
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| sopin | hacing a rescue device in my other pocket sounds awesome | 00:24 |
| sopin | having | 00:25 |
| sopin | now to get kernel compiled | 00:26 |
| sopin | :) | 00:26 |
| ketas | female-to-female adapter sounds strange | 00:26 |
| ketas | why do connectors have gender anyway | 00:26 |
| sopin | penis<>vagina | 00:27 |
| sopin | one sticks out, the other accepts | 00:27 |
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| joga | I dunno...you can mangle them somewhat too so that they're sort of inverted | 00:28 |
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| sopin | a good question for gender studies though, why male programmers engineers think sticking into usb is sexual | 00:29 |
| joga | ...they do? eww | 00:30 |
| sopin | in a way I guess | 00:30 |
| joga | (ok I don't have anything against usb fetishists, just so you know) | 00:31 |
| joga | ;) | 00:31 |
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| ketas | usb intercourse | 00:35 |
| * ketas imagines it | 00:35 | |
| sopin | well, everybody knows N900 lovers have microusb :P | 00:37 |
| ketas | hmm, micro | 00:38 |
| ketas | and n900 doesn't like it so often | 00:38 |
| sopin | produced in korea explains it all | 00:38 |
| ketas | if it does then little and slow | 00:38 |
| sopin | it's only micro on the inside, macro outside | 00:39 |
| ketas | hmm, will there ever be a device like n900? | 00:39 |
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| sopin | like, maybe, better (sadly) doubt it | 00:40 |
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| ketas | especially one that slides open | 00:40 |
| ketas | doesn't fold, doesn't slide UP | 00:41 |
| sopin | yet the usb slot is always accessible, grrrr | 00:41 |
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| ketas | hm? | 00:41 |
| ketas | you mean to dirt? | 00:41 |
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| sopin | to penetration by a male microusb | 00:42 |
| sopin | :P | 00:42 |
| ketas | promiscuos nasty thing | 00:42 |
| sopin | thanks to bleeding drivers | 00:43 |
| sopin | lol | 00:43 |
| ketas | i got that hard word wrong | 00:43 |
| ketas | doh | 00:43 |
| sopin | promiscuos lacks u | 00:43 |
| ketas | pro misc cu ous | 00:44 |
| ketas | heck, let's say prom? | 00:44 |
| sopin | prom | 00:45 |
| sopin | lacks iscuous | 00:46 |
| sopin | doesn't make sense | 00:46 |
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| ketas | i like that advertisement where they said that in needs ovations to make innovation | 00:48 |
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| doc|work | hey, has anyone been noticing sms messages not arriving at your phone? I've been trying to get this sorted for a couple of months with my telco, and have reflashed teh phone, but it's still a problem | 00:48 |
| doc|work | google's not giving up any results *except* for my telco :D | 00:49 |
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| joga | makes you wonder :p | 00:49 |
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| joga | hard to know for sure but at least I've never noticed problems with sms | 00:50 |
| doc|work | hehe, yeah, I just want to make sure that it's just not that it happens to be on the phone and not reported on the interwebs | 00:50 |
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| doc|work | here's a good place to ask | 00:50 |
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| sopin | is this N9 or N900 issue for you? | 00:50 |
| sopin | never had this (afaik) on N900 | 00:51 |
| doc|work | on my n900 | 00:51 |
| doc|work | I like my fat ugly phone, don't want to buy a new phone :( | 00:51 |
| sopin | any patches? | 00:52 |
| Sicelo | most likely not your n900. | 00:52 |
| Sicelo | didyou test your sim on a different phone? | 00:52 |
| Sicelo | or you might just need to enter an sms centre number | 00:52 |
| sopin | no sms at all or just some? | 00:53 |
| hanning | anyone else getting weird characters where some weird iphone smileys should be displayed in sms? | 00:53 |
| ketas | not sure what it uses for smileys | 00:54 |
| ketas | hmm, any way to hack sim toolkit support to n900*? | 00:55 |
| ketas | s/\*// | 00:55 |
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| ketas | kind of sad that when i switch to n900 once, i always need another phone for that | 00:56 |
| Sicelo | looks like it's not so easy | 00:56 |
| Sicelo | jonwil is our RE guy - maybe he could look into it. he brought CB-SMS onto N900 | 00:57 |
| ketas | someone said she uses iphone only for that | 00:57 |
| sopin | do sms work in nitdroid? | 00:57 |
| ketas | what a fucking waste of money | 00:58 |
| Sicelo | i think it works. i know it works on debian | 00:58 |
| doc|work | sopin: patches to my n900? none that I know of, upgraded to 1.2 then 1.3 via ota | 00:59 |
| ketas | i need that for my national id mobile version | 00:59 |
| doc|work | Sicelo: no, don't have another phone for my (minority - windmobile.ca) telco | 00:59 |
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| ketas | not just for a single bank like others do | 01:00 |
| doc|work | sopin: some messages go missing, 1 in 4 to 1 in 10 | 01:00 |
| sopin | strange | 01:00 |
| doc|work | sopin: weird thing is, often resends of the missing message also don't arrive | 01:00 |
| sopin | tried with another phone for a day? | 01:00 |
| doc|work | which somewhat hints at there being something in the message which is tripping up either the telco or my phone | 01:00 |
| sopin | ask friends to resend the ones that didn't arrive | 01:00 |
| doc|work | sopin: I've been considering asking them for a temp replacement | 01:00 |
| ketas | what kind of messages? | 01:01 |
| sopin | you can test it in few hrs | 01:01 |
| doc|work | sopin: I have, they also sometimes don't arrive | 01:01 |
| doc|work | sopin: yeah | 01:01 |
| Sicelo | either your operator is fsckd, or it's a sign for something that will eventually be serious on your device, eg emmc wearing out | 01:01 |
| doc|work | ketas: standard sms, not mms | 01:01 |
| doc|work | Sicelo: yeah :/ | 01:01 |
| sopin | if so, carrier is at fault | 01:01 |
| ketas | doc|work: still, what kind of messages | 01:01 |
| doc|work | ketas: you lost me | 01:02 |
| ketas | doc|work: just normal text? | 01:02 |
| doc|work | oh, one thing is, sometimes I'll get the first part of a two part message, other times I'll get both parts of a two part message, though almost always as separate texts, not rejoined | 01:02 |
| doc|work | ketas: as opposed to multi-sms messages? | 01:02 |
| Sicelo | operator, definitely | 01:03 |
| ketas | doc|work: that too | 01:03 |
| ketas | hmm | 01:03 |
| ketas | what joins and splits messages anyway? | 01:03 |
| doc|work | Sicelo: I'm thinking that too, but why do you think so? I'm thinking it because otherwise it would be consistent | 01:03 |
| ketas | a endpoint? | 01:03 |
| doc|work | most common person it's happening with has an iphone | 01:04 |
| doc|work | if that matters | 01:04 |
| ketas | smsc definitely can play some weird games there | 01:04 |
| doc|work | perhaps some incompatibility between the two? | 01:04 |
| Sicelo | i forgot the whole sms thing - but there's a flag somewhere, which is why subsequent message 'parts' can't be 160 characters | 01:04 |
| doc|work | yep | 01:05 |
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| doc|work | something's not rejoining them for some reason | 01:05 |
| ketas | doc|work: my first guess was invalid chars | 01:05 |
| doc|work | ketas: hmmm, perhaps | 01:05 |
| ketas | however, which ones i'm really curious | 01:05 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer would probably know | 01:05 |
| ketas | flash wearing out, there should be io errors in that case? | 01:06 |
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| doc|work | dmesg gives nothing | 01:07 |
| doc|work | and my phone has waaaay more capacity than I'd use in this time :) | 01:07 |
| doc|work | so if there's any form of write checking it should be safe still | 01:08 |
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| ketas | anyone managed to crap internal flash? | 01:09 |
| sopin | in few years you'll get reports | 01:10 |
| ketas | hahaha | 01:10 |
| sopin | the 100k rewrites limit was 10yr ago | 01:11 |
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| sopin | now rewriting whole emmc whole day will take a year or two if I remember correctly | 01:11 |
| sopin | things improved | 01:11 |
| ketas | that flash isnt bare, right? | 01:11 |
| sopin | still, some cases of hw dmg could happen | 01:12 |
| sopin | no guarantee on thnat | 01:12 |
| ketas | well probably isn't | 01:12 |
| sopin | dammit, estel is right, xplane heli and extreme are nowhere to be found | 01:14 |
| sopin | not really into that but as a test of googlefu, not a trace | 01:14 |
| ketas | googlefffuuuuuuu | 01:16 |
| sopin | searchlores if you prefer | 01:16 |
| ShadowJK | actually things are getting worse wrt rewrite limit :P | 01:16 |
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| sopin | it is a critical skill in this era | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, multilevel flash made things reasonably worse | 01:19 |
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| ShadowJK | Each process shrink removes a 0 :P | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | somebody a clue why you'd be willing to pay 1000 EUR for a ~6y old Nokia dirt cheap featurephone? | 01:20 |
| ShadowJK | with TLC we're down to a few hundred cycles and data retention measured in months | 01:21 |
| doc|work | DocScrutinizer: | 01:21 |
| doc|work | damn it, sorry, have bad connection | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; is that one of those modifiable for gsm encryption breaking? | 01:21 |
| doc|work | thought screen had locked up. | 01:21 |
| doc|work | DocScrutinizer: could you check the scrollback for my issue? Someone said you might have some feedback on it. | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: dunno, maybe. I think there may be lots of those, no need to pay 1000EUR for it? | 01:22 |
| sopin | 1000 eur for what? | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way I'm going to check 100s of lines backscroll, already gave up on it | 01:22 |
| doc|work | it's not that far back | 01:22 |
| ShadowJK | Summary: he's missing smss, the same sms when retransmitted several times never arrives while others do | 01:23 |
| doc|work | thanks ShadowJK | 01:24 |
| sopin | how is N900 missing sms (actually not N900 as other phones too IIRC) worth 1000 eur? | 01:24 |
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| doc|work | sometimes a part of a two+ part message will go missing, other times will arrive fine (though in multiple parts) | 01:24 |
| doc|work | sopin: not related | 01:24 |
| sopin | oh, nvm me then | 01:25 |
| doc|work | :) | 01:25 |
| sopin | I can prolly make mine miss some for 1000eur and get few fresh :P, sorry, no more derailing | 01:25 |
| doc|work | hehe | 01:26 |
| bennypr0fane | hello, i'm thinking about trying nemo on my N900, but I haven't been able to find out about the exact status, i.e. what's working atm and what's not: calls? sms? 3g browsing? Anyone can tell me about that or point me to a place status of working features is listed? | 01:26 |
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| sopin | I think meego (nemo predecessor) got calls (poor quality?) and sms, no idea about 3g | 01:32 |
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| sopin | wifi is good to go | 01:32 |
| sopin | nitdroid got only sms though :( | 01:33 |
| bennypr0fane | in meego or nemo? | 01:33 |
| sopin | what difference does it make? | 01:33 |
| bennypr0fane | yeh, nitdroid - what the hell? I mean, if they haven't figured out by now how to get voice in calls, they probably won't anymore... | 01:34 |
| sopin | moblin->meego->nemo, doubt they lost any functionality in the meantime | 01:34 |
| bennypr0fane | hope so ;-) | 01:34 |
| sopin | nitdroid with voice would kill google's share of pie | 01:35 |
| bennypr0fane | it so would | 01:35 |
| sopin | their way of emrace/extend... it seems | 01:35 |
| sopin | b | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | a) sms is not realtime, and handled by a server at carrier. b) there are literally dozens of possible different encodings for SMS, some may be not supported by some devices. c) the SMs might have some "rogue" char sequence that makes some layer in stack barf up on it | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | d) the exchange aka server aka central may decide not to forward particular SMS for whatever reason | 01:36 |
| bennypr0fane | ...meaning what, with regard to my question? | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | e) the sender might only think he sent an SMS | 01:37 |
| bennypr0fane | ... that sms may work in meego, but not cease to work in nemo? | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | bennypr0fane: not at you | 01:37 |
| bennypr0fane | oh | 01:37 |
| doc|work | DocScrutinizer: thanks for that. It's not e). I've seen the phone from which the messages were often sent, and it's 3 people at least. Thanks again. I'll look into the others | 01:38 |
| sopin | a - statement of fact, b,c - lack of compliance (though as you tested it on different handset and got same results doubtful), d - carrier censoring on the go, doubtful, e - with previously mentioned tests also doubtful | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | aha, so only possible answer: doc|work is a liar, or what? | 01:40 |
| doc|work | I'm fine with a, but never arriving is a different story :) b) I've only tried one, but messages from three handsets. d) also doubtul | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | or in other words: you got no fsckng clue | 01:40 |
| sopin | telco fuck up - f | 01:41 |
| sopin | blame it on your handset | 01:41 |
| sopin | you are at fault | 01:41 |
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| sopin | or their setup for his imei | 01:41 |
| sopin | if 6630 doesn't get a sms you blame encoding? | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf got imei to do with it?? | 01:41 |
| doc|work | sopin: which is why it got to the stage that I was threatening to switch (no contracts ftw) before they would look into it again | 01:41 |
| sopin | i say f | 01:41 |
| sopin | and you should | 01:42 |
| doc|work | I like my telco, when they work :) | 01:42 |
| sopin | if two different phones exhibit sms missing for which senders pay | 01:42 |
| doc|work | yeah | 01:42 |
| sopin | they are liable for much more | 01:42 |
| doc|work | I wouldn't be surprised if it's the originating telco | 01:42 |
| sopin | imagine how many sms never get noticed missing | 01:42 |
| doc|work | exactly | 01:42 |
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| sopin | so you should be more active with it | 01:43 |
| sopin | they are at fault | 01:43 |
| sopin | not n900 | 01:43 |
| bennypr0fane | so nobody has a clue where i might read up about current nemo functionality? | 01:43 |
| sopin | not customer noncompliance | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | sopin: are you the guy that bitched at me for noit giving helpful answers? | 01:43 |
| sopin | ??? | 01:43 |
| sopin | I bitxhed at you for khubunthuuhu | 01:43 |
| sopin | while sb info mentions khubhuhunthuu as working setup | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I can see how your answers are so much more helpful | 01:44 |
| sopin | your answers are helpful as to possible problems with sms on N900, not on N900 and another phone | 01:44 |
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| sopin | he tested his setup so probability of chars/encoding problems | 01:45 |
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| sopin | would mean half of their customer base having same on dumbphones | 01:45 |
| sopin | all your points are valid, but not after dual device testing | 01:46 |
| sopin | as it is not n900 specific problem for him | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | aha, that obviously totally rules out carrier filtering | 01:47 |
| sopin | nope | 01:47 |
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| sopin | but doubt all those were terrorist sms | 01:47 |
| doc|work | btw, she split up a recent message into two messages and they came through fine. No weird characters I can see. | 01:47 |
| doc|work | and I only send terrorist smses on weekends | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | doc|work: you're aware you can set reception ack response as an option when sending SMS? | 01:49 |
| doc|work | no time during the week | 01:49 |
| sopin | too busy explod^Hring | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've seen inter network routing fsckups more than once btw | 01:50 |
| doc|work | DocScrutinizer: I'd have to play with her phone. I asked her about delivery receipts (that's the same thing, right?) and she said she doesn't know anything about them. I'd expect the iphone would have that enabled by default. Anyone know otherwise? | 01:50 |
| doc|work | I'll do that over the weekend when I next see her | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, delivery receipt is prolly the right term | 01:51 |
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| * doc|work searches | 01:52 | |
| doc|work | seems that it's not! wtf? | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, when A can't send SMS to B, then why not send a SMS form B to A, with delivery receipt? | 01:53 |
| doc|work | my messages go to her fine, never go missing | 01:53 |
| doc|work | my thinking is that it's routing from her network to mine | 01:53 |
| doc|work | or, if not that, getting lost somewhere in between in any case | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're aware delivery receipt is basically also an SMS, just opposite direction? | 01:54 |
| doc|work | nope, I wasn't | 01:54 |
| sopin | You can test with sms beginning with *0# or *N# to force it, but no guarantees | 01:54 |
| sopin | used to work | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | the recipient's server delivers SMS via a handshake protocol, and on successfully delivering it returns an ACK SMS to sender | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't usually work anymore | 01:56 |
| ketas | why? | 01:56 |
| sopin | used that 5yrs ago or so, no idea now | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a server side service/function | 01:56 |
| sopin | but if standard settings don't return status of msg maybe? | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | got discintinued as nobody used it, and if it was used then usually unintentional | 01:56 |
| ketas | DocScrutinizer: how does delivery notices work now? | 01:57 |
| sopin | are all you guys in states? | 01:57 |
| ketas | i'm not | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gob forbid | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | God* | 01:57 |
| sopin | different countries, different setup, forcing by prefixing might help | 01:58 |
| doc|work | I'm in canuckistan | 01:58 |
| sopin | cannot guarantee | 01:58 |
| doc|work | er, canada for non-north americans | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn those Canadians! | 01:58 |
| * GeneralAntilles coughs. | 01:58 | |
| sopin | I love canadians | 01:58 |
| doc|work | I'm not canadian, so I agree! | 01:58 |
| sopin | they burnt the whitehouse didn't they? | 01:58 |
| sopin | go canada!!! | 01:59 |
| doc|work | yep | 01:59 |
| doc|work | shame they did it on behalf of some half-baked king :) | 01:59 |
| sopin | :) | 01:59 |
| sopin | wannasee other country do it | 01:59 |
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| doc|work | are you *trying* to get my sms's censored?! | 01:59 |
| doc|work | :) | 01:59 |
| sopin | ok, terrorists | 01:59 |
| sopin | all of them | 01:59 |
| sopin | discussing wh attack | 02:00 |
| sopin | no wonder | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | doc|work: look, I heard over there you got *massive* problems with unsolicited / spam SMS | 02:01 |
| doc|work | hehe | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I guess they try to do sth about it | 02:01 |
| doc|work | DocScrutinizer: hmmm, perhaps, but if you call up about a problem with receiving sms I'd expect they'd push to have it whitelisted? | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | this might sometimes result in false positives, including whole number ranges, or geo areas, or carrier networks, or whatever | 02:01 |
| sopin | ok, this sounds reasonable, can you provide samples of undelivered? maybe viagra or penis was the keyword | 02:02 |
| doc|work | and at that, I'd expect it would also be consistent | 02:02 |
| doc|work | sopin: haha, no, not the case | 02:02 |
| doc|work | sopin: I've given them details on times for missing messages | 02:02 |
| sopin | this seems like the last choice before carrier fault though | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, yeah. "of course Sir, we're already busy to fix the issue" *clank* Damn asshole... Larry where's the Whiskey? | 02:02 |
| doc|work | DocScrutinizer: that is entirely possible given my CS experience so far :) | 02:03 |
| sopin | faulty algo could be the case | 02:03 |
| sopin | if you sms about nigeria too muxch | 02:03 |
| sopin | seriously though, dig up your dumbphone, get the issue to repeat, break contract | 02:05 |
| doc|work | man, the iphone doesn't support delivery reports. My siemens phone in 2000 supported delivery reports... | 02:05 |
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| doc|work | sopin: I don't have a dumbphone, different frequency :/ | 02:05 |
| sopin | or better yet ask someone to send you money-important sms to disappear, sue them for good amount | 02:05 |
| doc|work | but yeah, I may ask to borrow one | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | doc|work: you'd think the extremely nice and cute guys at freenode were really concerned about not banning innocent users. Yet I can give you advice how you can get a non-recovering kline in 10s | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you actually have to send them a MAIL to get the problem fixed | 02:06 |
| doc|work | DocScrutinizer: hah, I'd never think that. I've been here too long. | 02:06 |
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| sopin | gn guys, keep it strong Canada! | 02:10 |
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| doc|work | hah | 02:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer does the House M.D. | 02:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | and n8 | 02:15 |
| doc|work | night | 02:16 |
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| ketas | 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 | 02:58 |
| ketas | finally we see worldphones | 02:58 |
| ketas | somewhat | 02:58 |
| ds3 | what phone is that? | 02:59 |
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| ketas | n950, n9, ... | 03:03 |
| ketas | what, they still make new n900's? | 03:04 |
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| Hurrian|TWGOK | no, they're out of production for >1 year now | 03:28 |
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| ketas | outdated information then | 03:32 |
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| ketas | "Essentially all HD content has square pixels." | 03:43 |
| ketas | reading wiki | 03:43 |
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| r00t-eeepc | ketas: "has a pixel aspect ratio of 1:1"? | 04:25 |
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| luke-jr | r00t-eeepc: everything computer has a 1:1 pixel aspect ratio… | 05:07 |
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| ketas | i would like round pixels | 05:44 |
| psycho_oreos | then go invent some | 05:45 |
| wmarone__ | or go buy a CRT, there were several models with round subpixels | 05:46 |
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| ketas | round screen too | 05:47 |
| ketas | that would be interesting | 05:47 |
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| psycho_oreos | by the time when one gets creative with the shapes for monitors/tv/etc, they would be made redundant when VR glasses materialise on a much more bigger scale | 05:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | Random - how do I stop modest from starting? | 09:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never actually used it, and I have better uses for 7M of RAM. | 09:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | apt-get remove modest doesn't work. | 09:16 |
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| jaska | its some autostart thing in /usr/share/applications .desktop files | 10:32 |
| jaska | forgot offhand | 10:32 |
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| jaska | X-Maemo-Prestarted=false | 10:35 |
| jaska | in /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop | 10:35 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: Separately, an un-named US military official told the New York Times that the suspect had simply "snapped", and confirmed that he was on his fourth combat tour. | 11:33 |
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| RST38h | *Fourth* [applauds] | 11:34 |
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| jargon- | how do i know which .deb to choose: lenny,squeeze or wheezy? | 14:37 |
| jargon- | i'm trying to install newsbeuter http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=newsbeuter | 14:38 |
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| psycho_oreos | why don't you install it into something like easydebian? in some debian chroot would probably be more ideal | 14:40 |
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| jacekowski | jargon-: none | 14:43 |
| jacekowski | jargon-: maemo is not a debian | 14:43 |
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| jargon- | jacekowski: i see. so how do i get newsbeuter installed on my n900? it's not in the repos :-( | 14:46 |
| jargon- | psycho_oreos: easydebian? | 14:46 |
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| psycho_oreos | jargon-, chrooting into other distros within maemo | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | jargon-: compile it yourself | 14:48 |
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| jargon- | which is preferred? easydebian or compilation? | 14:50 |
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| psycho_oreos | obviously compiled | 14:50 |
| jargon- | ok | 14:51 |
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| jargon- | the usual .configure, make, make install? | 14:52 |
| jargon- | ./configure* | 14:52 |
| psycho_oreos | no, you need to cross-compile it, remember that your N900 runs on ARM platform not x86.. x86 binaries won't work with ARM | 14:53 |
| psycho_oreos | ideally something like scratchbox may make life a lot easier | 14:53 |
| jacekowski | and it has to be optified | 14:53 |
| psycho_oreos | or yeah you can compile on the device provided that you have all the necessary tools, etc | 14:53 |
| Hurrian|hurr | maemo is in between squeeze and lenny. build it from easy-debian. | 14:54 |
| Hurrian|hurr | then prolly configure it with prefix=/opt | 14:54 |
| jargon- | are there any resources i can read up on at tmo? | 14:55 |
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| psycho_oreos | maybe not exactly tmo but wmo | 14:57 |
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| jargon- | psycho_oreos: hmm. it's not saying what prerequisites i need to install in order to be able to compile software on my n900 | 15:11 |
| jargon- | build-essential pkg-config checkinstall? | 15:12 |
| psycho_oreos | jargon-, I personally don't think you'll find a comprehensive listing for that.. mainly because hardly anyone compiles stuff directly on N900 given the fact that it has very little space in rootfs for one to play with | 15:12 |
| jargon- | i see | 15:13 |
| jargon- | so i compile it on my debian squeeze netbook,then? | 15:13 |
| psycho_oreos | ideally you should and through maybe something like scratchbox | 15:13 |
| jargon- | ok | 15:14 |
| psycho_oreos | you maybe able to get away with compiling on the N900 through setting a chroot image with all the dev tools, chrooting into that and building the package of your choice | 15:14 |
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| LinuxCode | does anyone know if one can make a yubikey work on the N900 ? | 15:17 |
| LinuxCode | I plugged it in, but the yubi's led wont light up | 15:18 |
| jargon- | psycho_oreos: is this the scratchbox i want? http://maemo.gitorious.org/scratchbox2 | 15:19 |
| psycho_oreos | LinuxCode, you got hostmode enabled? | 15:20 |
| LinuxCode | ahhh, that si probably what I am missing then | 15:20 |
| LinuxCode | psycho_oreos, got a how to ? | 15:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | jargon-, I personally didn't use the git version. I used the one recommended by wmo or even moreso is that I use the vm images which has scratchbox preinstalled, etc | 15:20 |
| psycho_oreos | LinuxCode, not exactly no.. though there maybe a tmo thread on getting USB hostmode going | 15:21 |
| LinuxCode | 2.6.28-omap1 | 15:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | I don't think anyone specifically asked for getting yubikey to work | 15:21 |
| LinuxCode | psycho_oreos, there is this app in the repos | 15:21 |
| LinuxCode | psycho_oreos, it is just a keyboard device | 15:21 |
| LinuxCode | "of sorts" | 15:21 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah that's the standard nokia kernel which won't have things like USB hostmode | 15:21 |
| LinuxCode | kk | 15:21 |
| LinuxCode | guess I will need the power kernel then | 15:22 |
| psycho_oreos | LinuxCode, I sort of know what it is but N900 has to act as the master role when it comes to USB communication :) by default it is in slave mode | 15:22 |
| LinuxCode | I tought the maemo-ssu stuff would cover a new kernel | 15:22 |
| LinuxCode | kk | 15:22 |
| LinuxCode | I figured as much, I tried to install the hostmode gui but that failed | 15:22 |
| LinuxCode | confirming effectively what you are saying | 15:23 |
| LinuxCode | ;-} | 15:23 |
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| LinuxCode | thank you very much psycho_oreos | 15:23 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah I'm not sure about that, initially power-kernel was really a complete separate entity to CSSU | 15:23 |
| psycho_oreos | LinuxCode, nw | 15:23 |
| LinuxCode | psycho_oreos, what kernel should I go for then ? | 15:23 |
| LinuxCode | power kernel ? | 15:23 |
| LinuxCode | you reckon ? | 15:23 |
| psycho_oreos | LinuxCode, I'm personally into bleeding-edge stuff, so I'd get pk49 myself | 15:24 |
| LinuxCode | I think it adds crypto stuff too | 15:24 |
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| psycho_oreos | yeah pk adds plenty of things | 15:24 |
| LinuxCode | how stable is that mate ? | 15:24 |
| Hurrian|hurr | somebody on tmo is asking whether a light sensor app can charge the battery | 15:24 |
| Hurrian|hurr | hurr | 15:24 |
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| psycho_oreos | fairly stable from what I can see, never have the device reboot from my regular usage before | 15:25 |
| LinuxCode | k | 15:25 |
| LinuxCode | hmm decisions decisions | 15:25 |
| LinuxCode | I guess I could try the power kernel first then maybe somehting else after | 15:25 |
| LinuxCode | psycho_oreos, do they live happily next to each other, or is this a flash ? | 15:25 |
| psycho_oreos | there's a minimum version which h-e-n relies on pk for USB hostmode, if you stick with that pk version you should be safe(r) | 15:25 |
| LinuxCode | k, I will have to go with that then I guess | 15:26 |
| LinuxCode | now where do I obtain such wonderful kernels ? | 15:26 |
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| psycho_oreos | I don't think it will matter which one you install first, but power-kernel iinm is a metapackage, there's 3 separate packages that needs to be downloaded and installed | 15:26 |
| Hurrian|hurr | psycho_oreos, isnt h-e-n support been available even in the ancient power46? | 15:26 |
| jargon- | psycho_oreos: hmm. where on wmo is the sbox recommendation? :-/ | 15:26 |
| Hurrian|hurr | LinuxCode, activate extras-devel, install kernel-power-settings from ham, deactivate extras-devel | 15:27 |
| psycho_oreos | LinuxCode, this is a kernel flash, it will overwrite nokia's kernel | 15:27 |
| LinuxCode | k | 15:27 |
| LinuxCode | I thought it would | 15:27 |
| LinuxCode | Hurrian|hurr, for the power kernel ? | 15:27 |
| Hurrian|hurr | yes | 15:27 |
| psycho_oreos | Hurrian|hurr, I think so but its been awhile since I really played with ancient kernels let alone my N900 so I can't be too certain :) | 15:27 |
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| LinuxCode | k | 15:28 |
| LinuxCode | I try the power kernel folks | 15:28 |
| Hurrian|hurr | prolly voids your warranty, but nokia does not care, really | 15:28 |
| LinuxCode | what warranty ? | 15:28 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 15:28 |
| jaska | not like theres any real warranty anyway | 15:29 |
| Hurrian|hurr | side note: anyone notice their lock switch wear out? | 15:29 |
| Hurrian|hurr | mine just did | 15:29 |
| jaska | broken n900, you get a nonphone back ) | 15:29 |
| LinuxCode | Hurrian|hurr, I always wondered if that was soldered on the main board | 15:30 |
| LinuxCode | is it ? | 15:30 |
| Hurrian|hurr | it is | 15:30 |
| LinuxCode | great, not | 15:30 |
| Hurrian|hurr | i need to change my habits now | 15:30 |
| LinuxCode | yeh, sucks | 15:30 |
| LinuxCode | or buy one on ebay, and take the board out, put in yours | 15:31 |
| LinuxCode | anyway, thank you very very much psycho_oreos and Hurrian|hurr | 15:31 |
| LinuxCode | I have to go for a bit, I try the power kernel after | 15:31 |
| LinuxCode | then report back tom you guys if the yubikey works | 15:31 |
| psycho_oreos | Hurrian|hurr, mine wore out a fair bit, when I noticed that I tried to stop using that lock switch as much as I can | 15:32 |
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| LinuxCode | k, Iam out for now, thanks again, bye | 15:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | funny talking about lock switch, I read how there was a thread about it, one person suggested the users to cut their own fingernails. That in some ways does help if one's N900 doesn't have a case like otterbox case. For me to access the lock switch whilst my N900 is in otterbox case I have to use my fingernails more or less.. if not it'll be stylus which is just as hard as fingernails to flick that lock switch | 15:34 |
| dafox | how exactly does it 'wear out'? what difference does using your fingernails make? | 15:35 |
| psycho_oreos | do you see the little notch on the lock switch itself? Each time you keep using nails or other rather pointy and hard objects to flick that switch, the little notch begins to deteriorate until it levels out to the same height as the actual switch itself | 15:36 |
| psycho_oreos | jargon-, I can't find that scratchbox recommended by wmo, its been a long while since I last went through that option. The last few times I've played with cross-compilation I kept getting the vm builds instead | 15:38 |
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| dafox | aha, ok so that is pretty fixable then. I only got my n900 a couple of months ago, and I was worried the actual switch was going to break off the board or something (like the notorious usbport problem) | 15:43 |
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| psycho_oreos | nah it won't afaik but it just wears out, on my main N900 I have had one side of the notch fully worn down. When I noticed it I just used the alternative method instead (pressing the power key twice) | 15:46 |
| freemangordon | X-Fade, ping | 15:46 |
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| dafox | but is it an issue with the plastic then, like they used too soft a plastic for the switch/notch? | 15:47 |
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| psycho_oreos | more like the notch, but you can imagine how small that notch is. I'm guessing its a bad choice to make that little notch plastic, should have been a small piece of metal wedge instead | 15:48 |
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| dafox | yeah, metal is almost always better :p | 15:53 |
| psycho_oreos | a slightly better design would've been much better :p | 15:54 |
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| Raimu | If it wears down I guess one could scratch a hole where the notch used to be and then use fingernails on that or something. | 15:57 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't even know if that would even be easy, and really why would you want to do that? why not simply just press the power button twice? | 15:58 |
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| Hurrian|hurr | no, the notch didnt wear out | 16:03 |
| Hurrian|hurr | when i lock it, it unlocks itself | 16:03 |
| Hurrian|hurr | which sucks | 16:03 |
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| Pali | ping X-Fade | 16:05 |
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| x29a | is the 4.6.2 fremantle compiler especially picky about alignment? im trying to compile code, containing a QList of QStrings, but it seems to not like it and points to internal qt code with the alignment report :( | 16:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyone have a clue as to how to get modest not to start? | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It used to be trivially possible to apt-get remove modest, but now it brings up a huge list of dependancies. | 16:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - I can't work out how modest is actually started - it doesn't seem to be in /etc/* | 16:11 |
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| jaska | speedevil: /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop | 16:12 |
| jaska | theres a prestart statement | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah! | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Thanks! | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I diddn't know desktop files could do that. | 16:13 |
| jaska | i did that to a bunch of rarely-used stuff | 16:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | I guess I just comment out X-Maemo-Prestarted* | 16:14 |
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| freemangordon | x29a, there are some switches you should pass to gcc, otherwise it won't build qt code, let me try to find them | 16:16 |
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| freemangordon | x29a, try with -fno-strict-volatile-bitfields -Wno-cast-align | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Thanks! Seems to work! | 16:19 |
| LinuxCode | hello again, ok, I installed the power kernel | 16:19 |
| LinuxCode | 26.28.10-power49 | 16:19 |
| LinuxCode | then I installed hostmode-gui | 16:20 |
| LinuxCode | when I go into h-e-n | 16:20 |
| LinuxCode | and enable | 16:20 |
| LinuxCode | yubikey wont light up | 16:20 |
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| LinuxCode | am I missing something ? | 16:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | Hurrian|hurr, interesting on mine it did sort of wear out | 16:21 |
| psycho_oreos | LinuxCode, checked dmesg? | 16:21 |
| freemangordon | LinuxCode, how do you "enable"? | 16:22 |
| Sicelo | not relevant for now LinuxCode - but you will need 'extkbd' package to use keyboard on N900 | 16:22 |
| freemangordon | aah, yeah :) | 16:22 |
| LinuxCode | k | 16:22 |
| Sicelo | but this won't stop it lighting up :P | 16:23 |
| LinuxCode | lkhubd timed outm on ep0in ? | 16:23 |
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| LinuxCode | nut it does look like it is enabling | 16:23 |
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| Sicelo | LinuxCode: mine doesn't enable immediately. i'd suggest you review Problems thread for h-e-n on tmo | 16:24 |
| freemangordon | LinuxCode, most probably you need to enable "Full Speed" or even "Low Speed" hostmode, an dthe press "VBUS boost on", wait for a while and press "Enumerate" | 16:24 |
| LinuxCode | I think it is detecting the device | 16:25 |
| freemangordon | s/an dthe/and then | 16:25 |
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| LinuxCode | hmmm | 16:25 |
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| LinuxCode | it does supply power on that usb port right ? | 16:26 |
| LinuxCode | led wont come on | 16:26 |
| psycho_oreos | yes it does | 16:26 |
| Sicelo | if it's detecting it, hen's job is done :) | 16:26 |
| Sicelo | install extkbd | 16:26 |
| LinuxCode | aha! | 16:26 |
| Sicelo | (u said it's some keyboard, right? | 16:26 |
| LinuxCode | full/low speed device detected | 16:26 |
| LinuxCode | Sicelo, it acts as a keybaord device, but it basically is just a single button | 16:27 |
| LinuxCode | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:YubiKey.jpg | 16:27 |
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| LinuxCode | ok, it flashes a few times, then stays off | 16:29 |
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| Sicelo | 16:27 < LinuxCode> full/low speed device detected << sounds like it's not detected yet. start from scratch | 16:29 |
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| freemangordon | LinuxCode, did you press enumerate? | 16:31 |
| LinuxCode | I am wondering if this adapter doesnt cut it | 16:31 |
| LinuxCode | yeah | 16:31 |
| LinuxCode | let me dmesg again | 16:31 |
| Sicelo | since it's your first time using this, i'd recommend you test with a simple flash drive before you go on to 'exotic' devices | 16:32 |
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| freemangordon | :nod: | 16:32 |
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| LinuxCode | it stayed on for aquite a while | 16:34 |
| LinuxCode | I suspect this adaptr is a bit useless | 16:34 |
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| LinuxCode | comes on though when I press vbus, flickers a bit | 16:34 |
| x29a | freemangordon: yeah, i found that -Wcast-align is triggered by a mere #include <QList>, so its a bug in the 4.6.2 toolchain, now that i know it, my project leader will have to disable -Wcast-align | 16:35 |
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| LinuxCode | I assume the mount button is only for drives ? | 16:35 |
| psycho_oreos | mountable block devices | 16:35 |
| LinuxCode | or does it do some funky usb'ness I am not aware of ? | 16:35 |
| LinuxCode | k | 16:35 |
| LinuxCode | maybe I should try a usb key then | 16:36 |
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| LinuxCode | I dont think this is working | 16:39 |
| LinuxCode | hmmm | 16:40 |
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| Sicelo | if you have a multimeter, check if the data connectors on your f-f adapter are correctly wired. seems on a few of them they're not | 16:44 |
| LinuxCode | I have got a mini-usb to female adapter | 16:45 |
| LinuxCode | or micro-usb I can never tell them apart | 16:45 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 16:45 |
| psycho_oreos | micro | 16:45 |
| psycho_oreos | micro has those teeth on one of the sides, mini doesn't | 16:46 |
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| LinuxCode | when I push the connector in, it flashes more or stays on | 16:47 |
| LinuxCode | this adapter is crap | 16:48 |
| LinuxCode | maybe I should get a f to f adapter | 16:48 |
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| LinuxCode | or I cut of some plastic | 16:49 |
| LinuxCode | I think it doesnt sit on the connector properly because of it | 16:49 |
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| LinuxCode | I will order a f/f adapter | 16:54 |
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| RST38h | "iPhone stroking keeps us satisfied the most, say fanbois" | 18:31 |
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| javispedro | moo RST38h | 18:42 |
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| RST38h | mooo javispedro, how are things tonight? | 18:43 |
| javispedro | finely fine | 18:43 |
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| javispedro | again played with a demo galaxy note... they're surely doing a heavy marketing job | 18:45 |
| RST38h | ah... | 18:45 |
| javispedro | also found out the thing has barometer | 18:45 |
| RST38h | yes, they advertised this feature to geeks | 18:45 |
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| RST38h | same goes for the ics devices | 18:45 |
| javispedro | sadly I still dislike the software very much and it is pricey... | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | X-Fade ping | 18:46 |
| RST38h | it is heavily subsudized in the US | 18:46 |
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| lardman | javispedro: barometer, interesting | 18:57 |
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| lardman | javispedro: it's Mali iirc, should be a simple port for Mer/etc | 18:58 |
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| javispedro | and the android stupid buttons are nearly invisible when not lit :) | 18:58 |
| lardman | well that can be changed in sw ;) | 18:59 |
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| javispedro | :nod: | 18:59 |
| lardman | I'm not sold on the size | 18:59 |
| javispedro | oh, I am... | 18:59 |
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| javispedro | albeit it seems kinda fragile, and considering the price.. | 18:59 |
| lardman | really? Would you carry that around? | 18:59 |
| javispedro | it fits :) | 18:59 |
| lardman | I guess it's small enough to make that possible - my Galaxy Tab is too large for a pocket | 18:59 |
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| lardman | ouch, certainly expensive | 19:06 |
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| lardman | anyone know what SUPPORT_SID_INTERFACE is? | 19:09 |
| RST38h | javispedro: does not feel fragile to me | 19:09 |
| RST38h | javispedro: and does fit the pocket | 19:10 |
| RST38h | the platform is...well..meh | 19:10 |
| javispedro | it fits, I did try | 19:10 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 19:10 |
| * RST38h moos at lardman evilly | 19:10 | |
| lardman | javispedro: the security guard got you then? ;) | 19:10 |
| javispedro | I'd wish I had get away with one :) | 19:11 |
| RST38h | you can make yourself buy it by reasoning that you are going to put Meego on it =) | 19:11 |
| javispedro | oh, I am totally thinking that | 19:11 |
| javispedro | or even webos | 19:11 |
| RST38h | or maemo | 19:11 |
| RST38h | or...khe khe...iOS | 19:11 |
| lardman | Should be an easy Plasma port once the open Mali driver is working | 19:12 |
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| javispedro | but it is still pricey | 19:12 |
| lardman | yeah | 19:12 |
| RST38h | ah, screw pricey, you are going to use it for 1-2 years | 19:12 |
| RST38h | not that pricey when you consider the usage time | 19:12 |
| javispedro | unsure | 19:12 |
| * lardman imagines RST38h as a small red figure with horns sitting on javispedro's shoulder whispering in his ear.... "buy!, buy! buy!" | 19:13 | |
| javispedro | back when Palm devices costed half than that it was clear to me they would last 3, 4 or even 5 years | 19:13 |
| javispedro | and they did | 19:13 |
| * javispedro looks at nearly 10 year old m130 | 19:13 | |
| RST38h | "angels we have heeeeaaard on high / tell us GO OUT AND BUY!" | 19:14 |
| javispedro | never paid more than 300eur. for a phone actually =) | 19:14 |
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| RST38h | $610 for Note according to Google | 19:15 |
| RST38h | $575even | 19:16 |
| RST38h | kinda higher than usual, but not overly expensive | 19:16 |
| javispedro | maybe they have a dev program =) | 19:16 |
| RST38h | who?samsung? ahhahaha | 19:17 |
| lardman | hmm, they release some code, but don't bother to answer questions in their "opensource community forum" | 19:18 |
| RST38h | it is like asking if an anthill has its own dev program | 19:18 |
| javispedro | they did ship some devices to certain cm8 devs | 19:18 |
| RST38h | you get bonus points by asking the ants, too | 19:18 |
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| hanning | just read about tizen, and huawei being involved now. what do you think, any chances we might see something like the n900 from huawei using tizen? | 19:22 |
| hanning | looking at ios and android frightens me when i think about my n900 breaking | 19:23 |
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| lardman | has Tizen moved forward at all? | 19:23 |
| javispedro | btw, http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Maemo_Base_Port | 19:24 |
| javispedro | don't remember when that stuff was written | 19:24 |
| hanning | i think SDK was releases in january lardman | 19:24 |
| lardman | hanning: oh right, cool | 19:24 |
| lardman | javispedro: interesting | 19:25 |
| javispedro | tizen seemingly has a hardtime capturing attention, e.g. the re-posted call for papers for the conference | 19:25 |
| * lardman has been buried in work since the start of the year | 19:25 | |
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| lardman | ah the delights of comparing driver code to determine what to port across | 19:27 |
| lardman | or rather what needs to be ported across | 19:27 |
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| lardman | I wish I knew Perl at this point | 19:29 |
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| RST38h | hanning: Chance? Zero chance. | 19:34 |
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| hanning | don't say that :( | 19:37 |
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| Pali | ping X-Fade | 19:47 |
| Pali | ~seen X-Fade | 19:47 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'qronic: just tap star twice'. | 19:47 |
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| Dynamit | Hello | 20:47 |
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| hhhhhh | hi | 20:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | who wants the 3rd reincarnation of an OS that has records to die prematurely to get replaced by next interation which again will get cancelled for another brainfsck which.... | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aka tizen | 21:06 |
| x29a | loel | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Nokia couldbe bold today if only they had stayed with maemo rather than this meego red herring | 21:13 |
| RST38h | harmattan IS maemo | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh | 21:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | harmattan is maemo*0.75 modulo 500% wsted time for crap and useless paradigm changes | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | what a waste of manpower of really smart devels | 21:19 |
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| LinuxCode | hi again all, I trimmed the connector, now the yubikey stays lit | 21:31 |
| LinuxCode | now I just have to figure out which kmod it requires or which udev rules | 21:31 |
| LinuxCode | because atm it just flashes | 21:31 |
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| LinuxCode | omg it works | 21:33 |
| LinuxCode | needed low speed host mode | 21:33 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 21:34 |
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| LinuxCode | should in theory also mean the opengpg crypto key stick should work | 21:48 |
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| LinuxCode | what is the max milliampage the bus can provide ? | 22:11 |
| LinuxCode | 100ma pushing it ? | 22:11 |
| LinuxCode | yubikey is 30ma | 22:12 |
| jacekowski | usb on n900? | 22:12 |
| jacekowski | 200mA | 22:12 |
| LinuxCode | yeah | 22:12 |
| LinuxCode | cool | 22:12 |
| LinuxCode | so in theory even a usb smart card reader should work haha | 22:12 |
| LinuxCode | brilliant | 22:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thanks :-) | 22:59 |
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| ketas | hah, usb smart card reader | 23:23 |
| ketas | but yea, why not | 23:24 |
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