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| netadmin | hello all | 04:18 |
| netadmin | I using N900 and I install Joiku software. | 04:18 |
| netadmin | but Joiku not shared 3G internet my laptop | 04:19 |
| netadmin | why? | 04:19 |
| netadmin | not assign ip adresses my laptop | 04:19 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | morning all | 08:44 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | quick question if anyone is up at this god forsaken hour.. | 08:45 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | is there a way to edit/ deduct from the gprs counter? | 08:46 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | I need to keep accurate information while I ping vodafone's network as a 3.5G keep alive, and take it out of my data counter | 08:47 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | it seems they do not register 300byte ping packets as transferred data | 08:47 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | so i need to take it out of the data counter on each ping | 08:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | morning [DarkGUNMAN] | 08:55 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | hello DocScrutinizer | 08:56 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | any ideas on how to edit the gprs counter values? | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | [DarkGUNMAN]: IIRC the counters are stored in gconf keys | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | gconftool -R /|less | 08:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then search for maybe first 4 digits of your counter, or any good "buzzword" | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | or do gconftool -R / >before.txt. Then make counter increase some kb, then >after.txt. Then diff before.txt after.txt | 08:58 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | gconftool -R /|less. Thank you I will give it a try in my keep alive script. | 08:58 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | thank you very much | 08:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 08:59 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | it's needed. vodafone are crap once the data connection is dropped. need to force it open to have a relable service | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know that will cut thru your battery in no time - esp on 3G. Also the data connection should stay up unless you got some autodisconnect tool installed | 09:01 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | it does eat the battery, but it is only for short periods | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for all *I* know they don't miss 300byte pkgs, rather they round up to 10kb chunks for each minute that had any data transmission | 09:03 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | if you load a page it can take up to a minute before you get 3.5g again and load the page | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it drops to 3G meanwhile? | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's 'normal' | 09:03 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | i checked the data counter against the record on my usage page. big difference | 09:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's however not normal if it's completely losing connectivity (the weird circular icon in system status) | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, usually big difference, but never the local counter is higher than theirs | 09:05 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | sits in 3g while idling. the mast gives the best speed and will only talk if 3.5 is negotiated. happens when in the city near an overcrowded tower | 09:05 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | local counter is higher since i ping a source that does not reply | 09:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3.5G indicator only is based on TX/RX dataspeed (basicaly), that'S why there's no way to tell it's 3.5G while no data being transmitted | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | so 3.5G "dropping" to 3G on short periods of idle is absolutely normal and doesn't really mean a thing | 09:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and yes, the additional slots assigned to you for HSPA speed aka 3.5G are allocated/granted based on availability | 09:08 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | when busy the availability isn't there, so it has a long delay or requires at least one retry | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | so on a crowded BTS / nodeB you frequently see 3.5G not working and only 3G speed possible, though both MT and BTS could do HSPA | 09:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you tried 2G? | 09:10 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | vodafone themselves said there is a problem and suggested switching to 2G | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's WAAAY better in that regard | 09:10 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | true | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually a proper 2G/3G switcher daemon would be a mad useful thing. I'm not up to date if there's already sth available | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | not useful for you actually, with that recent 3.5G problem | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I ought to finally do the fancy and check what's available | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | autoswitch to 3G whenever I open browser, maybe | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | as for everything else I prefer 2G a lot | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | batery life * 8 | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | shorter latency (though not that terrible on 3G as yours, here) | 09:14 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | i tend to switch to 2G for most of the day | 09:16 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | but when i need to do online banking or something like that i need 3G | 09:16 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | so i have to 'keep the door wedged open' | 09:16 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | or get lots of page cant be displayed messages | 09:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | indeed I missed to post that sequel on my battery usage story: Yesterday I had to switch to 3G at work, as 2G didn't offer DHCP or was borked some other way. The usual usage pattern (xchat with 9 freenode channels) cut tru 75% of battery in just 4h | 09:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | so that's where the factor 8 in my prev post originates from | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | [DarkGUNMAN]: yup, same here | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | (modulo the massive problems with 3G) | 09:19 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | yep. it gets heavy. thankfully i have opera mini working like a charm thanks to PhoneME | 09:19 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | makes 2g workable | 09:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I hope you can spot the gconf key - otherwise ping me again in 10h | 09:20 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | gconftool -r /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_home_rx_bytes | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 09:20 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | now. how do i change the value? | 09:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | gconftool again | 09:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not bother to interface to gconf directly | 09:21 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | ok. I will do some tests and post the results up later | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | if there's some weird problem, consider to find out the process that writes new values to that key. It might not re-read the values you changed, so might need a kill -SIGHUP or even shutdown prior to, and restart after you changed the value | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe not and you get away with simply writing new value there during runtime of that service | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | a lot of services work like that: write frequently to update values - in case you segfault or battery gets yanked - but only *read* once during startup, then keep current value in RAM | 09:27 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | well, messing with gconf values is all new to me so I'll enjoy the learning experience | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is not exactly a gconf thing. You see exactly same behaviour and "problem" with config files as well | 09:28 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | it keeps updating the value. I have a script on the homescreen which reads this value. I'm still waking up and forgot it was a in a qbw on the desktop | 09:28 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | so it reads the value when i refresh the scfeen | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure it keeps updating. The question however is if it keeps *reading* | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | (it == the service that updates) | 09:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 09:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | daywork calling | 09:30 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | its working | 09:40 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | i have the vlaues and can add/remove as necessary | 09:40 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | thank you for your help DocScrutinizer | 09:40 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | sorry i am now at work, had to do a quick job | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | YW | 09:41 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | i'll post a complete keep alive script on talk.maemo.org later | 09:42 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | or maybe a pastebin link here once it's done | 09:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nice | 09:43 |
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| raandoom | hello | 09:46 |
| raandoom | nice? | 09:46 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | previous conversation randoom. nevermind | 09:48 |
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| FIQ|n900 | what's the point of having wine in the armel repositories...? | 13:46 |
| dole | haha | 13:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | stumbled upon it when I searched for a GB emu | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | wince? | 13:47 |
| FIQ|n900 | hmm | 13:47 |
| dole | Someone wanted to play iwbtg on Beyond impossible | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if that works - I suspect not | 13:47 |
| FIQ|n900 | good point | 13:47 |
| FIQ|n900 | but will that work? | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | It won't work for x86 windows. | 13:48 |
| FIQ|n900 | that's my point | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure it'll work for wince stuff - it'd have to be a special project I'd think | 13:48 |
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| pigeon | was reading something about that these few days on tmo | 13:48 |
| pigeon | i'm playing with wine + x86 binary now actually. | 13:48 |
| FIQ|n900 | the only thing available using wine on armel is wine's own things I guess, whatever you would want it for | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | You could use wine + qemu | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | But that would be x86 wine | 13:50 |
| pigeon | that's what i'm using now | 13:50 |
| FIQ|n900 | Ok, but then I would still not really use wine in the armel repositories, would I? :P | 13:51 |
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| dole | pigeon: is it possible to run iwbtg? That would be awesome | 13:51 |
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| dole | http://kayin.pyoko.org/iwbtg/ | 13:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | i wanna be the guy..? | 13:52 |
| * FIQ|n900 wants VVVVVV running :D | 13:52 | |
| pigeon | i could give that a try i guess, though i think i'll run into problems. | 13:52 |
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| dole | pigeon: me too | 13:52 |
| pigeon | i haven't actually tried any pure x86 windows binary yet myself, but a few libwine x86 windows runs, like the notepad and winemine | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | haha | 13:53 |
| pigeon | my interest is playing with vst actually, just got fst running a bit, still trying. | 13:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | actually the flash version of that thing works fine, but slow, having the 2.1 version compiled for ARM would probably be a bit faster | 13:54 |
| SpeedEvil | So I suppose for the case of windows only stuff for which you have source, and it will build on arm... | 13:54 |
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| pigeon | the other thing is i'm using wine 0.9.14, which is like 6 years old now | 13:56 |
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| FIQ|n900 | you must be kidding... the text focus problem I had when running wine through SSH (from desktop) is there on the native wine as well! | 14:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | tried "/opt/wine/wine notepad" just for fun, and the input doesn't work properly :P | 14:02 |
| tgalal | talk.maemo down? | 14:04 |
| pigeon | heh | 14:04 |
| dole | tgalal: yeah | 14:05 |
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| FIQ|n900 | you can always ask http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ :P | 14:07 |
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| uros1 | just here, or global? talk.maemo.org unavailable | 15:23 |
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| ShadowJK | http://www.isup.me/talk.maemo.org | 15:25 |
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| uros1 | jap, tnx | 15:26 |
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| RST38h | tmo dead? | 15:32 |
| mece | yep | 15:35 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Hi, which rom have a working Email application? My Email can't work anymore even after reflashing | 15:43 |
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| gormux | LiraNuna: I use the official rom for PR1.3, no mail problems | 15:48 |
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| LaoLang_cool | gormux: I can't run the email app at all even a newly reflashing maemo :( | 15:53 |
| LaoLang_cool | I have any clue what's wrong with it | 15:53 |
| LaoLang_cool | have no any clue | 15:53 |
| gormux | the app does not open ? | 15:54 |
| LaoLang_cool | gormux: yes | 15:55 |
| gormux | hum, strange | 15:56 |
| LaoLang_cool | I can't recall the error it says, my n900 is updating to cssu version | 15:56 |
| gormux | is it the only one ? | 15:56 |
| gormux | all updates are done ? | 15:56 |
| LaoLang_cool | another one is the "My nokia" in setting | 15:56 |
| LaoLang_cool | others are ok | 15:56 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: The Specter of Gasoline At $5 a Gallon | 15:56 |
| LaoLang_cool | gormux: no, a newly reflashing, no any update | 15:56 |
| LaoLang_cool | but I'm updating it to cssu testing version now :) | 15:57 |
| gormux | strange | 15:57 |
| gormux | it could solve the problem ;) | 15:57 |
| LaoLang_cool | gormux: no, I've tried it before | 15:57 |
| gormux | I reinstalled everything a few days ago, and no pb | 15:58 |
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| LaoLang_cool | gormux: could it be a hardware problem? | 15:59 |
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| LaoLang_cool | I reinstalled several times, no success at all | 15:59 |
| LaoLang_cool | I will test after update is done | 16:00 |
| Sicelo | can't be hardware, lol | 16:01 |
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| Sicelo | are you sure you're not rushing things when opening mail application? it can be quite slow to open at times | 16:02 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Internal error, application "Email" closed | 16:02 |
| LaoLang_cool | The error says | 16:03 |
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| Sicelo | weird.. but i recognize your nick - you've had your device for a while :/ | 16:03 |
| LaoLang_cool | Settings -> My Nokia will let the error internal error, application "settings" closed | 16:03 |
| Sicelo | so, i'd ask: you use overcloking? or did for a while? | 16:03 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: I reflash n900 using the latest offical rom, which is ....36, I can't remember the number excisely.. | 16:04 |
| LaoLang_cool | No any overcloking | 16:05 |
| LaoLang_cool | I feel weird too | 16:05 |
| Sicelo | if hardware, it could be emmc, but i'd say we don't have enough info to suspect it yet | 16:05 |
| Sicelo | problem is only with MyNokia and Mail? | 16:06 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: yes | 16:06 |
| Sicelo | lol, you're first person i know who wants to use MyNokia (whatever it is) | 16:07 |
| LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: I just want to see what it is... | 16:07 |
| LaoLang_cool | But it leads the settings closed | 16:07 |
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| LaoLang_cool | The files I reflashed is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin | 16:09 |
| LaoLang_cool | From the nokia offical site | 16:10 |
| LaoLang_cool | It says they are the latest version | 16:10 |
| Sicelo | and you do it in the order recommended here: | 16:10 |
| Sicelo | ~flashing | 16:10 |
| infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:10 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: first: flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f | 16:10 |
| LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: Then: flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f -R | 16:10 |
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| Sicelo | try `modest -s` in terminal | 16:14 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: it says bus error | 16:15 |
| LaoLang_cool | "Bus error" | 16:15 |
| Sicelo | want to paste the error to a pastebin | 16:16 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: just one line error... "Bus error" | 16:17 |
| * Sicelo is noob too .. so this issue seems beyond my abilities | 16:17 | |
| LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: thank you all the same | 16:18 |
| LaoLang_cool | Bus error sounds a hardware error? | 16:18 |
| Sicelo | only hardware issue that could have effect is worn out emmc ... but i don't think we can say that's the issue yet | 16:19 |
| Sicelo | i think answer lies in software | 16:19 |
| LaoLang_cool | oh, then where could I search for help? | 16:19 |
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| magic_doc | hi everybody- cannot reach talk.maemo for hours now, what about you? | 17:07 |
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| nid0 | its been down at least most of the day | 17:12 |
| magic_doc | yeah correct- hope it will come back soon :-( | 17:13 |
| magic_doc | my last contact was about 10 am CET | 17:13 |
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| Timmy_ | why talk is down? | 18:53 |
| magic_doc | don't know, already sent a mail to the domain owner let us see if they read it :( | 18:54 |
| magic_doc | it is down for aprox. 8 hours now | 18:54 |
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| magic_doc | okay talk seems to be up again! | 19:22 |
| Pali | magic_doc, where was the problem? | 19:23 |
| magic_doc | Pali: talk was down for at least 8 hours here in germany and for and for two other users too. | 19:24 |
| magic_doc | dont know why | 19:24 |
| Pali | ok | 19:24 |
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| merlin1991 | hm I'm in a situation where I need a dropbox alike system that syncs 2 windows endpoints with my linux server, anybody know an easy to use solution? | 20:10 |
| Pali | nfs? | 20:11 |
| magic_doc | http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ | 20:11 |
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| merlin1991 | magic_doc: unison looks like it is for a peer to peer system, but I aim to sync each windows endpoint to the server seperately | 20:13 |
| magic_doc | no it is not | 20:13 |
| magic_doc | I am using this for linux only | 20:13 |
| magic_doc | but should work with windows accordingly | 20:13 |
| merlin1991 | than the overview is missleading :D | 20:13 |
| magic_doc | im using unison for years now and syncing my host at home, roadwarrior and n900 with it ;) | 20:14 |
| merlin1991 | sounds good :) | 20:15 |
| magic_doc | but as i said never knew someone to use it with windows- that is on your own risk just try it out ;) | 20:16 |
| merlin1991 | I'll see how far I get | 20:16 |
| merlin1991 | :) | 20:16 |
| merlin1991 | ofc there is no proper version avaible for win that goes with the one on debian | 20:17 |
| magic_doc | oh sorry to hear that- | 20:18 |
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| magic_doc | merlin1991: | 20:19 |
| magic_doc | there is a 2.27.157 for windows | 20:19 |
| merlin1991 | I found a 2.32.52 | 20:19 |
| magic_doc | and this should also be available for debian squeeze | 20:19 |
| merlin1991 | which actually fits with debian | 20:19 |
| magic_doc | http://alan.petitepomme.net/unison/assets/Unison-2.27.157.zip | 20:20 |
| merlin1991 | now I'll just have to find proper gtk libs too | 20:20 |
| merlin1991 | yay | 20:20 |
| magic_doc | they even have a version for mac ppc *g* | 20:20 |
| merlin1991 | or I just use the text version :) | 20:20 |
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| merlin1991 | holy shit, my linux server heasn't seen an update in quite some time | 20:23 |
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| magic_doc | okay then this is a good occasion ... | 20:24 |
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| merlin1991 | hm server restart worked luckily | 20:39 |
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