IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2012-02-11

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DocScrutinizerI still wonder how to teach xterm to use shift-ctrl-c for copy, and shift-ctrl-v for paste00:19
DocScrutinizeror is this already implemented and just a matter of unbinding the key combo from bash, so it would get forwarded to xterm?00:20
ShadowJKif it could be made to believe that shift-ctrl-c is shift-delete etc00:20
ShadowJKno, xterm gets it first, then passes on to bash00:20
DocScrutinizerI thought as much, yeah00:20
DocScrutinizerbut wait! you say shift-delete is implemented in xterm?00:21
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DocScrutinizershift-insert00:21
DocScrutinizerbtw on my desktop shit-ctrl-v works in Konsole00:22
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ShadowJKno i'm just guessing00:23
ShadowJKbecause it's this ancient arcane shortcut00:23
ShadowJKactually not that old, dos00:23
ShadowJKyeah it doesn't work on my desktop ;P00:23
DocScrutinizer51so you're using gnome I guess? ;-D00:24
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ShadowJKxfce00:42
ShadowJKFedora Core 10 ;P00:42
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ShadowJKI booted liveUSB on my laptop of ubuntu and fedora current versions, and vomited. I'll have to gather up some strength to tackle upgrade at some point,00:43
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: yeah, same here. Today I tried to swap friggin MX mouse for a non-broken replacement. The experience made me reconsider where to buy my next laptop01:41
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DocScrutinizerI bought the crap a week ago there. Took them 20 min to come up with the info that they can swap for a new working mouse only if I bring the invoice plus ALL the rocks (mouse, kbd, CD, original package) of this friggin MX550001:43
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DocScrutinizermade me wonder if for a laptop they'd require me to re-install wincrap before they would swap it if anything was utterly wrong within 4 days01:44
DocScrutinizerbtw eems we lost ~10% users here in this chan during the last few days :-o01:48
DocScrutinizeralmost down to #meego user counts01:48
Hurrian@Doc: that's because people like to hang around on tmo more, for some reason01:48
DocScrutinizerEEEEEK01:48
DocScrutinizerthe world's about to end01:49
Hurrianalthough, we're not getting to #meego level user activity01:49
DocScrutinizerI hope so :-D01:49
Hurrianon a side note, i tried using compcache again, with 120512KB disk size01:50
Hurrianit ran funderfully01:50
Hurrianuntil the swap space was filled01:51
Hurrianat that point, it was a nightmare01:51
Hurriani'm guessing only certain apps should be allowed to swap out into compcache01:52
Hurrianpreferably, everything hildon and the dialer. user apps can go swap in slow emmc/sd.01:53
Hurrianhow this can be done without serious LD_PRELOAD abuse is beyond me01:53
DocScrutinizerbasicaly my take on that is: optimize crappy hoggy apps01:55
DocScrutinizerhell, I ran full featured KDE incl openoffice on machines with less ram and slower CPU01:56
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Hurrianby that, you mean move away from qt into gtk for fremantle apps, because gtk is native, and qt isn't01:58
DocScrutinizerthough I admit upgrading my desktop P-II300 from 256 to 496MB RAM made a hellufalot of difference01:58
Hurrianusing qt doubles the amount of toolkits in memory. seriously, pick just one, guise.01:59
DocScrutinizerand startup times for OOo on that panasonic toughbook with 300MHz CPU and just 192MB RAM were not for the nervous01:59
HurrianLO starts pretty fast on the N900, if your easy-debian partition isn't on the eMMC.02:00
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DocScrutinizerthen otoh I don't plan to use OOo on N900, and wth needs dialer or contacts or whatever even more RAM than OOo?02:00
DocScrutinizerthere's still something *very* fishy with uSD. A few days ago I tried to cp a few tens of k of files to the device via ass rage mode, total size ~1.5GB, it was slooow like molasses02:03
DocScrutinizerwould've taken hours to complete02:03
DocScrutinizerso filling a 32G card would take days, via wincrap file explorer02:03
DocScrutinizerthis can't be normal02:05
DocScrutinizeresp since load applet neither showed any remarkable CPU load on N900, nor any concerning swap filling02:05
DocScrutinizerthis whole thing still is so extremely odd, and seems nobody has investigated to the gory details yet02:09
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ShadowJKMy "vomited" comment was actually about how ubuntu/fedora looks today, not about the hardware it was running on :P02:10
DocScrutinizergathered as much. Nevertheless it made me aware of installing recent distro session awaiting me for new laptop02:11
ShadowJKhehe02:12
DocScrutinizerand hell, I'm not happy about that perspective02:12
ShadowJKI think I settled on fedora kde02:12
ShadowJKor maybe it was kubuntu, I forget.02:12
DocScrutinizeresp since after ~10 years a completely new fresh ~/ is due02:12
ShadowJKwhere "settled on" means that it's the distro on liveusb I carry with me for fixing people's broken windows computers02:13
DocScrutinizera friend's Amilo refuses to boot from USB stick :-/02:13
ShadowJKHow does compcache work when it gets full? Does it work like another level or LRU between RAM and real swap?02:14
DocScrutinizershe asked me to build a 'save Os' for her02:14
ShadowJKOr is it more like a swap space with higher priority than the real swap?02:14
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ShadowJKand wtf is "ass rage" mode?02:15
DocScrutinizerafaik maemo doesn't support swap prio02:15
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DocScrutinizermASS stoRAGE MODE02:15
ShadowJKbusybox "swapon" doesn't02:15
ShadowJKkernel does02:15
DocScrutinizermhm02:15
DocScrutinizer~messybox02:15
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils02:15
DocScrutinizer...and not even that02:15
ShadowJKI had already compiled swapon during chinook days, and just scp'd the binary to my N900 first week I had it02:16
DocScrutinizerchinook, dang!02:16
ShadowJKRegardless, the default behaviour is that new swap areas that you add appear at lower priorities relative to existing :P02:16
DocScrutinizerumm they do?02:17
ShadowJKyeah02:17
ShadowJKor at higher02:17
* DocScrutinizer snorts02:17
ShadowJKI forget02:17
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ShadowJKbut they don't end up equal02:17
DocScrutinizernow that's a 'nice' feature02:17
DocScrutinizer~hail messybox02:18
* infobot bows down to messybox and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"02:18
ShadowJKnormal swapon has same behaviour02:18
ShadowJKIf you don't specify priority, it picks current-102:18
ShadowJKmight be a kernel feature actually02:18
DocScrutinizerwhatever, with messybox you'd never even know02:19
ShadowJKcat /proc/swaps02:19
DocScrutinizeror is there some /proc node to learn about current prio of swap?02:19
DocScrutinizer;-D02:19
ShadowJKMy first linux experience was on a single-floppy distro that had replaced most basic utilities with simple shell scripts ;P02:20
DocScrutinizerLOL02:20
ShadowJKso my baseline is to poke /proc manually :D02:20
DocScrutinizerminix?`02:20
ShadowJKtomsrtbt02:20
DocScrutinizergrblsxtrxwtf?!##02:20
ShadowJKisn't minix Tanenbaum's educational unix?02:20
DocScrutinizeryep02:20
ShadowJKtomsrtbt is so old, that it lists tucows as a mirror. When did tucows die btw?02:21
DocScrutinizerhard to remember what tucows actualy was ;-D02:22
ShadowJKThis software download site in the 90s02:22
ShadowJKfull of "shareware" software02:22
DocScrutinizermy muscle memory seems to remember typing the word some time back02:23
ShadowJKIt'd be the place where you downloaded netscape 2.0 Gold from02:23
DocScrutinizerprobably on Amiga100002:23
DocScrutinizermaybe not though02:23
DocScrutinizerIIRC my Amiga had no *real* internet ever02:24
ShadowJKYeah mine didn't02:24
ShadowJKI only had fred fish mail order :P02:24
DocScrutinizerfishdisks \o/02:24
DocScrutinizerdang those were the times, where your computer made you *meet* friends02:25
DocScrutinizerin RL02:25
DocScrutinizeronce a week, for a fishdisk copy party02:26
DocScrutinizerwith a second external floppy drive this was real fun02:27
ShadowJKHere it didn't mean meetings02:27
ShadowJKdistances too large between computer users :P02:27
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DocScrutinizerI modded the drive with a manual "external" write protect switch, and a write indicator 2color LED02:27
DocScrutinizeronly 5km to next amiga user here, back when02:28
ShadowJKdid however result in snailmail fish disk copying02:28
ShadowJKand snailmail attempts at obtaining blank floppies02:28
ShadowJKthere was always a shortage of floppies02:29
DocScrutinizerdo you remember that awesome though never coming true VHS tape storage project?02:29
ShadowJKlol02:29
ShadowJKand bubble mmeory02:29
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ShadowJKI remember this one time one of my contacts managed to source 10 floppies for me02:30
DocScrutinizerthey offered to ship the coder hw with a VHS holding several HUNDRED MB of shareware, WTF!02:30
ShadowJKit seemed like a storage amount that'd last a few years at the time :P02:31
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DocScrutinizeryeah02:31
ShadowJKthen 4 of them turned out to be bad :(02:31
DocScrutinizerouch02:31
ShadowJKIt's kind of amazing that despite the flooding in thailand, you'd still and are still able to just go out and buy a harddrive from wherever02:32
ShadowJKat a higher price, sure, but it's not like it's impossible to get02:32
Hurriani've been salvaging hard drives from old machines as of late02:32
Hurriangoing to junk shops, taking RAM and HDD02:33
Hurrianprices of HDDs here are up 150%02:33
ShadowJKthat's not so bad02:33
Hurrianuhh, they're now 150% of old price, not 150% higher ;)02:33
ShadowJKIn my brain I was assuming 300%02:33
DocScrutinizerI'm off for some booze now, as that'S what I planned to do since I came home from that friggin windoze daywork 6h ago02:34
ShadowJKI had my reset bottle a while ago :) Pissed off getting criticized at work for actually improving efficiency and increasing productivity02:34
ShadowJKapparently it makes other people look lazy.02:34
ShadowJKSo it's a bad thing to do.02:35
DocScrutinizeryeah :-((((02:35
DocScrutinizerbeen there, felt that02:35
Hurrianwelcome to upper management02:36
DocScrutinizer"no, you're not supposed to write a shellscript to do that ever-same editing job week for week"02:36
DocScrutinizermeanwhile I think "meh, I'll write it anyway, I'll just not tell YOU :-P"02:37
ShadowJKhah02:37
DocScrutinizerdon't forget the proper sleep commands in the loops, so the job is no faster than you were, just running unattencded ;-P02:38
ShadowJKLuckily when I was at that point, replacing manual work with shell script, the output was to be delivered as 5000 sheets of paper02:40
ShadowJKso it was enough if I looked busy for half a year.02:41
DocScrutinizeractually a poor joke, I was suposed to copy the length in milliseconds for a few hundred audio samples from a excel sheet to a .c file into a structure02:41
Hurriansoundboards?02:41
DocScrutinizeryep02:41
DocScrutinizervoice navi02:41
DocScrutinizernavi voice guidance02:42
ShadowJKwhy was that in an excel sheet to begin with..02:42
DocScrutinizerbecause at the studio where they recorded the samples they used a excel sheet to write down the length of every sample02:43
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DocScrutinizer"left" 377; "right" 418; "turn" 321;02:44
DocScrutinizerthose durations were *hardcoded* in the guidance sw then (!!)02:45
DocScrutinizerby me...02:45
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DocScrutinizerevery week again02:45
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DocScrutinizersometimes just for one language, sometimes for maybe 8 or 1302:46
ShadowJKcat left turn in five hundred meters | audioplay02:46
DocScrutinizer:nod:02:46
ShadowJKbut someone had to make it difficult :P02:46
Hurrianthat seems like the wrong approach to do things. why not write up a func to play the wav, then just pass the words to be played as args?02:46
DocScrutinizernah, they had one large chunk of audio, and played excerpts02:47
DocScrutinizerless padding in filesystem02:47
Hurrianshocking02:47
ShadowJKso the milliseconds described where in the huge file the desired phrase was? :)02:47
DocScrutinizeryep02:47
Hurriani assume they were using fat/fat32?02:47
DocScrutinizerprolly02:47
ShadowJKI know tomtom uses/used fat on ext on fat on ext on fat on ext02:48
ShadowJKor something like that02:48
DocScrutinizerI think this was even pre-tomtom02:48
DocScrutinizerlast millenium02:48
ShadowJKApparently they had a "user tries to upgrade firmware, then yanks SD card" usecase which they repeated 10 times and the requirement was that the device would sitll boot02:48
ShadowJKand the only thing that survived was some weird loop file on ext on fat thing..02:49
DocScrutinizerhaha02:49
DocScrutinizerwell, on those devices I worked for they had CDs to upgrade02:50
ShadowJKmust've been volvo or bmw :)02:50
DocScrutinizerand basically the CD was supposed to stay in that radio as long as you wanted to use navi02:50
ShadowJKAh, in that case a big monolithic file has advantages in giving you predictable seek behaviour :)02:51
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: I think they both used that Siemens/VDO stuff02:51
DocScrutinizeractually half a dozen of car manufs used it02:52
ShadowJKAlltogether all car owners I've talked to have hated it02:54
ShadowJKnot because of features or whatever02:54
ShadowJKbut because it costs a good 2000E to update maps each time :P02:54
DocScrutinizeryeah02:54
DocScrutinizeranyway the voice was the best I ever heard on any voice guidance02:57
DocScrutinizersamples recorded at some university for media and acoustics02:58
DocScrutinizerby a really internationally acknowledged professor and his tudents, with carefully selected native speakers02:59
ShadowJKIt generally works well when the system is designed ground up for a specific language03:00
ShadowJKbut then when it gets translated it usually falls apart in some ways03:01
DocScrutinizeryeah, the wicked differences between some of the languages this system supported were giving the narrator coders some headaches03:02
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DocScrutinizerwhen suddenly you got no structure like "in <distance> <unit>, go <direction>" but rather sth like "please do <distance+direction> <action>"03:04
ShadowJKYeah don't forget to account for all the sandhi effects at word boundaries ;P03:04
DocScrutinizeryep03:05
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DocScrutinizerI know (or knew) each friggin nasty detail of that topic :-D03:06
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ShadowJKlol03:08
ShadowJKLinguists hardly know03:08
DocScrutinizerwell, I knew as much as I reasonably could know03:09
DocScrutinizerthe prof gave me a day crashcourse03:10
DocScrutinizeron a level starting where publicly available knowledge ended03:11
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mattcenHi all. I'd like to reflash my N900 (first time), but am paranoid I'll use the wrong images. I got my N900 in Australia, so I assume I need RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin. Could anybody confirm this please?07:06
Hurrianyes07:07
Hurrianthat would be correct.07:07
mattcenAwesome. And I flash with VANILLA, followed immediately by COMBINED?07:07
Hurrianyes.07:08
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mattcenCool. Thanks Hurrian.07:09
* mattcen prepares to get started. I always get nervous when flashing any sort of firmware :S07:09
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beford~firmware07:28
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, firmware is hardware that is beginning to melt  Firmware for GrandStream phones is at http://www.hellofone.com/files/07:28
beford~updating07:28
beford~flashing07:28
infobotmaemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware07:28
beford:d07:28
mattcenThat hellofone link is obsilete :)07:29
mattcenobsolete*07:29
Macerheh07:30
Macermost things are obsolete07:30
Maceri'm surprised nokia is still hosting maemo.org07:30
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Maceryou would think after preparing to fire thousands of workers and moving all its factories to asia to make flimsy disgusting future phones that they would cut corners anywhere they could07:31
Macerwhy the hell are e7s so expensive all of a sudden?07:33
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Maceri was waiting for it to hit 300 and it shot back up past 40007:35
Macerheh07:35
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* mattcen wipes his brow. Well that flash was relatively painless.08:15
mattcenOdd. After flashing and subsequently connecting to my wifi AP, it doesn't seem to retrieve a DNS server via DHCP...08:25
mattcenAh, nevermind; looks like I was just doing it wrong08:28
mattcenSo So it's a bit unclear. Should I do a full package update from the default Nokia repos before installing the Community SSU?08:32
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Hurrianno need to do so.08:35
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mattcenOK then. Thanks.08:36
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Maceri still have to flash my n810 lol09:25
Macerand figure out how to get debian on it09:25
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Macersome of these mini-itx boards are amazing09:25
Maceri need to build one soon09:25
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Macermaybe 209:25
Macerthey have an intel one that goes up to 7GB and an quad core i509:26
Macerin a mini-itx.. that's great09:26
Macerwonder how much power that would eat up09:26
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Gear_hey how do I read a hard drive with H-E-N once it's mounted09:47
Gear_I looked at the kernel messages and it detected the right drive etc, but I can't find out how to access it...09:47
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Gear_I look through file manager and nothing09:49
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mattcenHaving installed the stable version of CSSU, am I able to safely upgrade to the devel release?09:57
mattcens/devel/testing/09:58
infobotmattcen meant: Having installed the stable version of CSSU, am I able to safely upgrade to the testing release?09:58
mattcenOh that is cool.09:59
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Hurrianyes10:05
Hurrianbut you cannot go backwards10:05
Hurrianwell you can, but you have to do it manually, risking breaking config files.10:06
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Gear_how do you know if a drive has mounted properly using h-e-n10:10
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Sicelo /sb enc10:54
Sicelosorry for spam10:54
SiceloGear_: i assume u found out by now... if not: when u hit mount, there's a brief dialog that confirms mounting, and shows u the mount point. u could also check in terminal by running 'mount'. even File Manager shows the connected drive10:55
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RST38hMeanwhile: Twenty-one German soldiers entombed in a perfectly preserved World War One shelter have been discovered 94 years after they were killed.11:19
Macerwow11:24
* SpeedEvil ponders linking to 'Iron Sky'.11:24
Maceri wonder what the shelter looked like11:25
Macerthey should turn it into a museum.. was it a large bunker type shelter?11:25
RST38hEnjoy http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9074336/German-soldiers-preserved-in-World-War-I-shelter-discovered-after-nearly-100-years.html11:28
RST38hThere is a similar shelter museum in Moscow, minus the cadavers of course11:29
SpeedEvil'  Even the skeleton of a goat was found, assumed to be a source of fresh milk    for the soldiers.  ' - right.11:30
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jaskafresh milk... or something else11:57
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Macerfresh sex12:02
Macer:)12:02
mattcenThanks Hurrian, you've been very helpful. Another question: I went to add the maemo extras-{testing,devel} to my App catalogue, but noticed they were already there but disabled.12:02
mattcen(I assume they were installed by the CSSU, but they may've been put there when I restored my backup). Anybody know of a reason I *shouldn't* re-enable them? (e.g. conflicts with CSSU?)12:03
Macerusually i only enable them when there is an app i really want that is only in testing or dev12:04
mattcenMacer: And then disable it once you've downloaded the app?12:05
Maceryes usually :)12:05
Maceri found a mass update of apps already installed seems to cause problems eventually12:05
RST38h...No teddy bears are to be allowed in Site 24 to prevent any confusion or mistaken identity. Any object that resembles a teddy bear is to be reported to the security team immediately...12:06
mattcenCool, I might give that a go then. I was just going through my list of previously installed packages and found several small but incredibly useful ones that aren't available outside extras-testing or -devel.12:06
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Macerlol12:07
Macerthose damn teddy bears12:07
RST38h...Subject resembles a teddy bear similar in size and shape to SCP-1048, but is made entirely out of human ears. Witnesses interviewed said it appeared as if SCP-1048 was giving a tour to the "newcomer"...12:07
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* mattcen feels like he's missed something fundamental about how the topic of teddy bears arose...12:08
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MacerRST38h: wtf?12:12
Macermade entirely out of human ears? :)12:12
Gear_sicelo, this drive isn't mounting then12:13
Gear_it should :/12:13
Gear_it detected it as the proper drive and stuff but nothing showed up in file manager12:13
RST38hMacer: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-104812:13
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Macerlmao!12:18
Macersomeone has to make a movie of that12:18
Macerresident evil style12:18
Macerkiller teddy bears made of human ears12:19
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originalserverI am selling dedicated servers in different countries, only windows xp, 2003,2008, seven! write who need them.12:34
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RST38hMacer: If people start making moviesof every SCP object listed on the site, the horror movie industry will quickly go out of business12:45
RST38horiginalserver: I need one with Slackware Linux could you please send me12:45
originalserversorry only windows12:46
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RST38hmhm12:56
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DocScrutinizerguys, it seems a lot of users in this chan don't appreciate massive OT13:07
DocScrutinizeruser count down to 270 :-/13:07
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* DocScrutinizer just wonders if massive silence after forbidding any OT would just make another hundred users /part13:11
DocScrutinizerand FFS infobot offline again13:11
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psychologehow much people use N900 in 201w13:16
psychologehow much people use N900 in 201213:16
* RST38h still uses n90013:16
RST38hwould move to n950, if weren't afraid to damage it, it is too precious =)13:16
psychologei like python,so i select N90013:17
NIN101still many psychologe.13:18
DocScrutinizerno better phone+palmtop in vicinity13:18
psychologestudy pyqt,feel a little hard13:18
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SiceloGear_: maybe try mounting it manually. check dmesg to know which device node it t's on13:29
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MacerRST38h: heh. maybe.13:37
Macerbut it can't be any worse than the shit movies coming out for the last 10+ years13:37
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DocScrutinizerGear_: Sicelo: very kind of you not to pester me with h-e-n mounting issues ;-)13:51
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DocScrutinizernevertheless a comment: Gear_ , you know mounting is basically unrelated to h-e-n, and the mount function been always a deprecated feature in h-e-n that's been announced for discontinuation since h-e-n version 0.0.1 :-)13:52
DocScrutinizermounting and related stuff on N900 *should* work exactly same way it does e.g. on your laptop linux PC13:53
DocScrutinizersee recent posts by iirc blue_led and others, that properly integrated mounting into udev / ke-recv where it belongs13:54
SiceloÂ/me hasn't had success with blue_led's stuff... prefer stock h-e-n for now13:55
Sicelodamn13:55
DocScrutinizerwell, you seem to miss the point here13:56
SiceloDocScrutinizer: not at all. :)13:56
DocScrutinizerenabling hostmode in kernel and vboost for bq24150 is completely unrelated to mounting13:57
Siceloi know h-e-n & mounting are unrelated13:57
Macerdamn ran out of lost girl episodes13:57
DocScrutinizereven IF blue_led's stuff fails on the first two, it still does a nice job on mounting13:57
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DocScrutinizerfor sure a way better job than h-e-n13:58
Sicelohmm, i'll give it another chance. so far it completely failed for me13:59
Sicelolooking forward to Pali's driver :)13:59
DocScrutinizerpali pubished a patched ke-recv that not only shall mount non-fat uSD partitions, but also should do a nice job for USB mounting13:59
DocScrutinizerpali's charger driver? I still see a looong way for this to get to any state where it has advantages over what we got now14:00
DocScrutinizeror even would be on par14:00
Sicelothat's why i stick with standard h-e-n for now14:02
DocScrutinizerfor now aiui it's just a nifty and half-finished replacement for our charge.sh and booston scripts14:02
DocScrutinizerand charge.sh, while working reliably for maintaining battery, still epically fails to even try to support all the maemo system stuff like reporting battery in system area etc14:03
DocScrutinizerpali's (actually again based on my) driver simply moves that to kernel space14:03
SiceloDocScrutinizer: here's a h-e-n problem i usually encounter: it takes over a minute to actually power my flash disk14:05
DocScrutinizerwhich might be a nice start, as long as it's correctly implementing the specs in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/bq24150-sysnode.spec.txt14:06
Siceloif i use external power, i can use flash disk immediately. any clues?14:06
DocScrutinizerSicelo: hardly14:06
DocScrutinizeryou should use my augmented booston script anyway14:06
DocScrutinizerotherwise no clues at all ;-)14:07
DocScrutinizerSicelo: also, your term "use external power" is rather fuzzy14:07
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Siceloi mean when using y-cable, there are no delays .. disk is instantly enumerated14:08
DocScrutinizerisn't even worth I start to think what might be the differences between h-e-n and "using external power" as I have no clue what that means in detail14:08
DocScrutinizerok, Y-cable is one detail14:09
Sicelobtw, i use your latest booston14:09
* merlin1991 needs the rdins or howerver the driver is called that is shipped with qtcreator14:09
merlin1991but without installing the whole thing14:09
DocScrutinizernow all we need is a detailed to the second description HOW you "use external power"14:09
DocScrutinizer\o/14:10
DocScrutinizernfobot alive again14:10
DocScrutinizerSicelo: please use http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/booston14:11
DocScrutinizerit's a drop-in replacement for the script shipping with h-e-n14:12
DocScrutinizerwith extremely improved diagnostic and notification14:12
DocScrutinizerand error handling14:12
merlin1991Anybody happen to have a link to the usb ethernet windows driver that ships with qt creator?14:13
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SiceloDocScrutinizer: with y-cble there no problem at all. it's when i rely on n900 boost that i have an issue.the led on the flash takes at least 1 1/2 minutes to light up, and only then does enumerating succeed14:34
DocScrutinizerSicelo: well, that's still more desinformation that precise info on what's the exact procedure you use with y-cable14:35
DocScrutinizers/that pr/than pr/14:35
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Sicelohmm, sorry then.  when using y-cable, i first connect flash disk to cable and pwer the whole thing with an external 5V supply, then connect the whole thing to N900 immeditely after i'mve hit vboost in h-e-n.14:42
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Sicelo*power14:43
DocScrutinizerinfobot: ping14:43
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infobot~pong14:44
DocScrutinizerSicelo: mhm14:46
DocScrutinizerI assume you stop the time til USB stick ready from the moment you attach it to external power supply then?14:47
DocScrutinizeras that'S the moment the stick's controller starts to "boot up" the stick14:48
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DocScrutinizerif it sat there for 5 min powered via Y-cable from external PSU, it's no wonder h-e-n/N900 can enumerate it immediately after you plugged it in14:48
DocScrutinizerit's not exactly unusual that some sticks need 30s or even longer to initialize after powering them up. The only reason you usually don't notice that is that on a 'sane' USB host ENUM starts automatically after stick finished initialization. But I'm recaling quite well last time I plugged a USB stick to my laptop it took like 1 minute for the dialog "do you want to a) digicam, b) konqueror..." to pop up after plugging the stick14:53
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: how does the os detect when to enumerate?14:53
merlin1991(in a sane environment)14:54
DocScrutinizerso even if there's some problem and that'smaybe a linux specific problem, it's for sure and evidently not related to h-e-n and the way vboost works14:54
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: I *think* it gets an IRQ from USB controller about "device attached" then starts to try ENUM14:54
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DocScrutinizeras we - due to dirty hack testmode we need to exploit - don't get such IRQ on mentorgfy musb-hdrc in N900, h-e-n has the ENUM button to hit manually14:55
Sicelook.  understood. weird though, but  i follow the logic. thanks :)14:56
DocScrutinizerYW14:56
mattcenHi again all. Sorry to bother you again; I just noticed that my camera doesn't work. I open the lens cover and get "Operatin failed". I suspect it may be related to installing kernel-power, despite having followed the instructions to install the new camera driver...15:01
mattcenAny idea how I can debug this?15:01
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merlin1991mattcen: kernel power should work just fine with stock camera drivers15:02
mattcenHmmm...15:03
merlin1991But you can wait for Pali or freemangordon to show up here15:03
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Sicelohmm, maybe u installed wrong drivers, or u have a disk issue. i'm on kp & never had to use any camera drivers15:06
Macerhm15:06
Maceri'm trying out synchronet15:06
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mattcenFixed it. Thanks guys; I *reverted* what I read on the KP wiki page (which, upon re-reading I probably shouldn't have tried; 'apt-get install fcam-drivers'), and rebooted; now all is good.15:12
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mattcenCan anybody recommend a twitter client for Maemo?15:30
Sicelo:)15:30
merlin1991Tweego15:30
merlin1991Butm rts don't work15:30
* mattcen tries15:31
* merlin1991 has a pa15:32
merlin1991...tch somewhere for tweego and retweets15:32
mattcenAh *nice*. Looks much better than witter and mauku15:34
merlin1991And starts way faster than witter :)15:35
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* mattcen gets ready for bed. Thanks for all your help today everybody!16:00
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hanspeterhi, where are the IM account passwords stored?21:01
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Meizirkkihai21:20
Meizirkkifinally got n810 :P21:21
Meizirkki* I21:21
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DocScrutinizerhanspeter: try gconftool -R /|grep -C 5 "yourpassword"22:25
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hanspeterhm, i tried grepping for my username, but no match :/22:29
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DrGrovHi DocScrutinizer22:40
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DocScrutinizerhi DrGrov22:48
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: You got the PM ?22:52
DocScrutinizerI'm generally not interested in PM22:52
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Ok, just thought you would read what I wrote.22:53
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DrGrovBut no need to read it. Just wondered on your take on the whole situation.22:53
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DocScrutinizerand you think I'm afraid to utter my "take on the situation" in a public channel?22:54
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: No, of course not Doc. I know you can talk about it in a public channel anytime, anyplace. Just thought that it was something that you like not to share. But sure, I am open for discussion in a public channel.22:56
DocScrutinizerI just don't see any topic to discuss right atm22:56
DrGrovOk, I understand. If I understand your standpoint correctly, you are against opening up the security because regular users are not aware of the possible risks of doing so?22:58
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DrGrovSorry, probably wrong channel to have this discussion.23:00
DocScrutinizerand a completely wrong conception of my POV regarding the whole topic23:02
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DocScrutinizerwhat I said was "don't use hacks when there's an official supported way to achieve way more than what your hack can do"23:03
DrGrovOk, I misinterpreted your point of view. My mistake.23:04
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DocScrutinizerDrGrov: you also seem not aware of the fact that openmode kernel is hosted on *my* server23:07
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: No I am not aware of that because I have not gotten that far on my N9 adventure yet to actually use openmode.23:07
DocScrutinizerso assuming I was a friend of keeping this "security" crap is a bit... weird23:07
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DrGrovI am not assuming that you like to keep Aegis. I have seen you write about how you do not like Aegis.23:09
DocScrutinizerso figure my laughs when some paranoid hacker comes pestering me about "but hey, we don't need openmode as we also could do X Y Z - well it's way less convenient than openmode but it's nifty and shows Nokia how poor their implementation of the whole concept is, and ***it gets rid of the warning screen**"23:10
DocScrutinizer:-S23:10
DrGrovI am assuming the beer did the trick yesterday :)23:11
DocScrutinizeras if "getting rid of warning screen" was a major design goal and would cause any difference regarding warranty from Nokia23:12
DocScrutinizerhonestly, there's nothing to discuss23:13
DrGrovOk, I rest my case and go and hit the kill switch on myself :P23:14
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DrGrovI will not say anything more about this then. Very informative though to hear your opinions DocScrutinizer. Always gives a good view on things.23:15
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vizzyhi23:32
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vizzyi installed openssh server and client but i dont know the password23:37
vizzyin the details it says i will be asked for a password during install, which seems not happen23:37
vizzyanyone lnow my passwords? *g or how to set them up? will i break things if i set passwd for root?23:38
vizzyand the password is not rootme or so23:39
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vizzyand user gainroot also does not work23:40
vizzyso how to set up rootpassword for local access and sshh remote access on maemo5 devices?23:40
vizzygoogle is a bit useless, only the same resources which tells me openssh will ask for a passwd which definitely does not happen23:41
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vizzyInstall OpenSSH (client and server)23:42
vizzy    This will prompt you to change the root password from the default, rootme23:42
vizzy^^bullshit23:42
DocScrutinizervizzy: no bullshit23:45
vizzymaybe, but i definitely was not asked for a new passwd23:45
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vizzyi reinstalled several times23:45
DocScrutinizeropenssh WILL ask for password (IIRC) if you install it via HAM23:46
vizzyHAM?23:46
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DocScrutinizerHildom App Manager23:46
vizzyi did so23:46
DocScrutinizerhmmm23:46
DocScrutinizerweird23:46
vizzyhowever, i found that i can use passwd as on a generic linux system23:46
vizzyand i dont need to knbow the passwd for this23:46
ShadowJKmaybe it only asks if there is no existing password23:46
DocScrutinizeranyway, no problem, as you can do "root" (given you installed rootsh) and then set your root password23:47
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: good point23:47
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vizzyso, if i can change pw without knowing the passwd i found a bit bad23:47
DocScrutinizerusually you got the null password for root23:47
DocScrutinizerwhich doesn't work for ssh23:47
vizzyhmmm, yes23:47
vizzyok, will it have any affect to the systems automagical scripts if i change rootpasswd from ull to anything?23:48
DocScrutinizervizzy: you can gain root on N900, without any password23:48
DocScrutinizerso changing the password is actually the minor threat23:48
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vizzyDocScrutinizer, yes, but im ot sure if it will break things on changing pw23:48
DocScrutinizerno, both user and root pw are safe to change23:48
DocScrutinizer~jrtools23:49
infobothmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools23:49
vizzyah, ok, thats what i wanna know :)  thank you23:49
ShadowJKrootsh and "sudo gainroot" or "root"23:49
vizzyjepp23:49
vizzyi know the way23:49
DocScrutinizeryou maybe also wanna know how to change the default of not asking for password when doing sudo23:49
vizzyall i wanna know was what will happen if i change the root pw for some reason23:49
vizzyDocScrutinizer, yes :) please23:50
DocScrutinizer~jrtools23:50
infobotmethinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools23:50
vizzyah, thx :)23:51
DocScrutinizer>># fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot23:52
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