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| kurt__ | is anyway i can force a OTA update on my n900? | 05:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | What revision are you on? | 05:39 |
| SpeedEvil | The latest was Nov? A trivial diginotar-- fix | 05:39 |
| kurt__ | oldest. | 05:40 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 05:40 |
| SpeedEvil | First I'd try simply asking the app-manager to update | 05:40 |
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| kurt__ | wants me to connect to my pc, lost usb cabling so. | 05:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Any mini-b cable will work | 05:41 |
| kurt__ | and it wouldnt update via nokia updater on my pc anyways. | 05:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Micro-b | 05:42 |
| kurt__ | so there is no way to force a update? | 05:42 |
| SpeedEvil | It's possibly an idea to ask 5-10 hours ago, when the channel is more active | 05:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Or in another few, when more have woken up | 05:43 |
| kurt__ | ok. | 05:43 |
| nox- | i think one reason for it to ask for using pc is too little free space, so you could try uninstalling some bigger apps | 05:44 |
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| nox- | (if you installed any yet...) | 05:44 |
| kurt__ | ok. | 05:45 |
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| nox- | games are often big-ish | 05:47 |
| kurt__ | well im going through them now and its like maybe 60 mb combined of just widgets and a couple games. | 05:47 |
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| kurt__ | eh didnt work. | 05:54 |
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| nox- | :( | 06:04 |
| nox- | check `details' | 06:04 |
| nox- | on the updating error | 06:04 |
| kurt__ | This APT has Super Cow Powers.n~ $ apt-get updatenE: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)nE: Unable to lock the list directoryn~ $ apt-get install fremantle-generic-prnE: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)nE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? | 06:04 |
| nox- | maybe its something else than free space | 06:04 |
| nox- | apt needs root, but id say you better let the packagemanager do it | 06:05 |
| kurt__ | hmmm ill have a look around maemo.org there has got to be a way to force it. | 06:07 |
| nox- | or maybe the combined updates since your old version just need too much free space... | 06:07 |
| kurt__ | most likely but i can find my micro b cabling, sigh | 06:08 |
| nox- | hm well they're not expensive... | 06:08 |
| nox- | anyway, bbl | 06:09 |
| kurt__ | cbf going in town, live 15 minutes out, and i know its around here somewhere. | 06:09 |
| kurt__ | thanks for help though | 06:09 |
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| nox- | np | 06:10 |
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| oilinki | any recommendation for application for N900 which could make POI's for the location? | 06:28 |
| oilinki | for some reason I could not find the functionality on the default Maps application | 06:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | There are a few geocaching apps | 06:38 |
| SpeedEvil | search for gps apps | 06:39 |
| oilinki | I have the adcanced geocaching tool, I'll check it out | 06:42 |
| oilinki | I'm looking for the feature to record where I'll put a new cache | 06:42 |
| oilinki | now installing maemomapper (mappero) which at least on n910 could save the pois | 06:43 |
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| Macer | wow | 10:34 |
| Macer | marble is pretty nice | 10:34 |
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| Macer | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/01/reveal.html | 10:39 |
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| RST38h | macer: Yohoho! | 10:50 |
| Macer | heh | 10:53 |
| Macer | i just hope it isn't another AI Touchbook fiasco | 10:53 |
| Macer | what a total piece of shit that thing was | 10:53 |
| RST38h | Macer: What? You have not ordered Pandora then? =) | 10:53 |
| Macer | hahahaa | 10:54 |
| Macer | hey... it might not be vaporware ;) | 10:54 |
| Macer | i thought the touchbook was until it was released | 10:54 |
| Macer | but then it came out and was a total let down | 10:54 |
| Macer | omg that thing was awful | 10:55 |
| Macer | the asus transformer was the a touchbook done right lol | 10:55 |
| Macer | i wonder if i could put kde active on my transformer | 10:57 |
| Macer | that would own | 10:57 |
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| user__ | nick kurtisgood | 12:36 |
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| kurtisgood | can anyone help me with any of the qtlockscreen stuff having troubles importing other lockscreens | 12:36 |
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| niloy_ | hi, is it possible to read sim info via command line for N900? | 12:48 |
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| jonwil | anyone here know anything about QT programming on the N900? | 13:33 |
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| dhbiker | hi there guzs | 13:43 |
| dhbiker | guys* | 13:43 |
| dhbiker | umm... i installed bash 4.x | 13:44 |
| dhbiker | and now i'm wondering how to start it | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | bash | 13:48 |
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| dhbiker | -sh: bash: not found | 13:49 |
| * RST38h moos | 14:01 | |
| dhbiker | mmm beef <3 | 14:02 |
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| dhbiker | ty ecksun | 14:11 |
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| niloy_ | hi, is it possible to read sim info via command line for N900? | 14:18 |
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| andre__ | what do you mean by "sim info"? | 14:21 |
| andre__ | https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Get_SIM_status ? | 14:21 |
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| vi__ | hey I have a zany idea | 16:03 |
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| vi__ | what about starting asterisk on your n900. | 16:03 |
| vi__ | dialing into your own server (on the n900) | 16:03 |
| vi__ | setting n900 as an access point | 16:04 |
| vi__ | allowing other people to dial into your asterisk server | 16:04 |
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| vi__ | then a conferance call | 16:04 |
| vi__ | ?????? | 16:04 |
| vi__ | profit? | 16:04 |
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| Lantizia | hey I've been out of the look for a while - whats the latest maemo for n900? | 16:16 |
| merlin1991 | 1.3.1 | 16:16 |
| Lantizia | my phone reports - 21.2011.38-1.203.1 i'm guessing that is 1.2? | 16:17 |
| Pali | not, it is 1.3.1 | 16:18 |
| Lantizia | so i'm on the latest already? | 16:19 |
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| vi__ | yup | 16:24 |
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| Lantizia | ok has there been any luck porting MeeGo/Harmattan to n900? | 16:27 |
| Lantizia | or maybe has Mer been revived? | 16:28 |
| merlin1991 | Lantizia: mer is alive | 16:29 |
| merlin1991 | and has a ux for n900 (nemomobile) | 16:29 |
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| vi__ | But it still sucks. | 16:37 |
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| Lantizia | moblin, maemo, mer, meego, tizen | 16:42 |
| Lantizia | at least they stopped with the m's | 16:42 |
| Lantizia | well i've no interest in a html5 only platform (tizen), no interest in anything using rpm's (tizen, _new_ mer, meego)... which leaves only maemo, _old_ mer and meego/harmattan | 16:43 |
| Lantizia | if maemo/harmattan isn't 100% open source then i suppose i can't have that on my n900 (i thought meego _was_ supposed to be 100% open source however) | 16:43 |
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| Lantizia | in which case what happened with the rumour that nokia were open sourcing the rest of maemo! i like maemo just the way it is! | 16:44 |
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| vi__ | THere was no rumor about nokia opening maemo | 16:54 |
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| Lantizia | vi__, ok then was there an effort to re-implement all the bits that are proprietary? | 17:13 |
| * Lantizia installs cssu testing | 17:14 | |
| vi__ | There still is. | 17:15 |
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| Lantizia | is that the cssu? | 17:15 |
| vi__ | But Nokia refuses to help. | 17:15 |
| vi__ | Yes | 17:15 |
| vi__ | Installing CSSU is HIGHLY recommended. | 17:15 |
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| oilinki | hmm.. what the CSSU will bring? | 17:22 |
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| Lantizia | oilinki, so far... http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features | 17:24 |
| oilinki | Lantizia: I was just reading that. | 17:25 |
| oilinki | basically screen rotation? | 17:25 |
| Lantizia | oilinki, no these too ..http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog | 17:26 |
| Lantizia | general fixes for all sorts | 17:26 |
| oilinki | ok. that sounds more important for me. | 17:26 |
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| oilinki | I'll try with stable | 17:27 |
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| oilinki | and thanks for the idea | 17:35 |
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| RST38bis | !seen wazd | 18:28 |
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| Pali | merlin1991, kernel-power-settings package is not fixed! http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-settings | 18:35 |
| Pali | last version 0.13 is missing! | 18:36 |
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| merlin1991 | was 0.13 in -devel? | 18:36 |
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| Pali | yes | 18:37 |
| freemangordon | Pali, could you try to increase version number and put it in -devel again | 18:40 |
| freemangordon | AIUI all the database was manually cleaned, maybe the man just missed to re-add tha latest version | 18:41 |
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| vi__ | FYI, KP50 is making me an epic boner. | 18:42 |
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| freemangordon | vi__, well, it still has some edgesh to be polished | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | *edges | 18:43 |
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| vi__ | edges to be polished? Enough about my boner. Tell me about KP50. | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | vi__, some users report broken video playback with some videos and stock DSP codecs. And there is one user report for kernel oops in WLAN driver :) | 18:48 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: the problem is the quality of the reports. | 18:49 |
| freemangordon | both reports ar for KP49 aof course, but still not fixed in pre50 | 18:49 |
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| vi__ | When only 1 user out of >500 have a problem, you can conlude they have in fact broken somthing on their own. | 18:49 |
| freemangordon | well, I have video that is reported to crash DSP, not tested it though | 18:50 |
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| freemangordon | vi__, there is mtd oops for wlan driver, so there is something bad in kernel ;) | 18:50 |
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| freemangordon | it is not only a report | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | there is a backtrace | 18:50 |
| vi__ | well, good luck contacting lxp. He cares for maemo not anymore. | 18:51 |
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| freemangordon | really? | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | :( | 18:51 |
| vi__ | ooh, backtrace is like DNA at a crime scene! | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | I was hoping for some help from lxp. | 18:51 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: Well I do not know that for CERTAIN, however he only released the 'bleeding edge' driver to recoup the loss he made from programming it. | 18:52 |
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| vi__ | He was to be payed by the original backtrack mobile people, | 18:52 |
| vi__ | and they failed him. | 18:52 |
| freemangordon | yeah, I know the story | 18:52 |
| vi__ | I think he recovered most of his losses. | 18:52 |
| vi__ | So one can assume fixing some bug will be quite low on his list of priorities. | 18:53 |
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| freemangordon | damn, we need at least one more man involved in kernel-power | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | but seems noone is interested | 18:53 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: People are interested. | 18:53 |
| vi__ | They just do not have the skills/time to help. | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | yeah, but not in chasing bugs | 18:54 |
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| vi__ | freemangordon: are you referring to a particular bug? | 18:55 |
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| freemangordon | yeah, the wlan bug. | 18:56 |
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| freemangordon | the kernel oops | 18:56 |
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| freemangordon | it shoulkd be relatively easy to be found, as it is a segfault in memcmp . null pointer or something | 18:57 |
| freemangordon | and I really was hoping the author to help, as he is familiar with the subsystem. Anywa pali sent him a mail, lets see if he will respond. | 18:58 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: I hope so. | 18:59 |
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| freemangordon | pali, ping | 19:02 |
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| Pali | pong, freemangordon | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | [18:37] <freemangordon> Pali, could you try to increase version number and put it in -devel again | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | [18:38] <freemangordon> AIUI all the database was manually cleaned, maybe the man just missed to re-add tha latest version | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | tahat is for kernel-power-settings | 19:17 |
| freemangordon | *that | 19:17 |
| Pali | ok, I can try it | 19:17 |
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| infobot | wazd <~wazd@broadband-95-84-185-178.nationalcablenetworks.ru> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 66d 3h 9m 38s ago, saying: 'Venemo: wazzup? :)'. | 19:21 |
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| infobot | vasvlad <~vlad@82.209.206.179> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 117d 8h 34m 28s ago, saying: 'I've uploaded the new version of Meecast (0.3.31) to repository. See details here http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4439&page=3'. | 19:22 |
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| Pali | merlin1991, freemangordon: kernel-power-settings is in extras-testing! | 20:17 |
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| Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/kernel-power-settings/0.13/ | 20:17 |
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| Pali | I pushed version 0.13 and promoted to extras-testing without problem | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: ping | 21:39 |
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| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, pong? | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: xchat maintainer? | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | secalert@redhat.com and security@debian.com search for you | 21:45 |
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| mgedmin | I've no idea who maintains xchat | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/xchat/ Maintainers: Marius Gedminas, Marat Fayzullin | 21:48 |
| mgedmin | yes, I just noticed | 21:48 |
| mgedmin | what was I doing back then... ? | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc :-D | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | call it NMU'ing :) | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | 2.8.4-diablo0mg2 is mine | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | I think RST38h was the one who uploaded later versions? | 21:51 |
| mgedmin | ping him ;) | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, prolly. | 21:51 |
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| mgedmin | hm, from http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/diablo_extras_free_armel/xchat/2.8.4-diablo0mg2/ HOW DO I GET TO THE SOURCE? | 21:54 |
| Pali | repository.maemo.org/extras | 21:54 |
| mgedmin | xchat is not present in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/x/ | 21:59 |
| mgedmin | is maemo.org violating the GPL or what? | 21:59 |
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| MohammadAG | how do I forcibly kill a process? | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | kill -11 isn't workin | 22:00 |
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| derf | kill -9 | 22:01 |
| derf | If that doesn't work, reboot. | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | kill -SIGKILL <process-id> | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | is the genuine way | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though POSIX says SIGKIL *has to* be 9 | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | so kill -9 is the short form | 22:03 |
| mgedmin | uninterruptible sleep sucks | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | a process that doesn't die on SIGKILL is probably a fake process instantiated by a rootkit | 22:03 |
| NIN101 | or a zombie | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but zombie age passed wince some 5 years now | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually you hardly ever see a zombie process nowadays | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks to improved kernel | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | whAt? | 22:06 |
| mgedmin | zombies are processes that died and their parent did not call wait() on them | 22:07 |
| mgedmin | it's POSIX | 22:07 |
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| mgedmin | how can the kernel do something about that? | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | still get zombies every now and then | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: afaik kernel force-cleanout zombies after a while | 22:09 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 22:10 |
| mgedmin | [citation needed] ;) | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | formerly when a zombie's parent died, the zombie 'lived on' forever, no? | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | now the zombie is inherited to process #1 and immediately vanishes - all AFAIK and <arbitrary other disclaimer> | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | no, it was always like that -- parent dies, children get reparented to init, init reaps all zombies | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, NFC then, maybe I dreamt something ;-D | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I've not seen any zombie for yeras now, except that one sucker always creared by HPLIP | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | created* | 22:15 |
| mgedmin | my collectd graphs show 2 zombies on one machine | 22:16 |
| mgedmin | one day I'll find some time to investigate | 22:16 |
| mgedmin | while they're not multiplying I'm not worried | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | zombies hardly have sex | 22:16 |
| mgedmin | now back in 1999 zombie fetchmail processes brought down my desktop | 22:16 |
| fizzie | CFEngine sometimes goes all zombie-infestation-mode sometimes. | 22:16 |
| mgedmin | (process table full, couldn't start anything -- including /bin/ps) | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: yeah, nasty | 22:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if exec top in a shell would work | 22:18 | |
| mgedmin | it had X running, so I closed some xterms and could run one process in the other xterms ;) | 22:18 |
| mgedmin | at least for 5 minutes, until the next cron-scheduled fetchmail run | 22:18 |
| mgedmin | and kill is a shell builtin | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | since posix threads are in fact processes for all that's relevant to process table, it got even worse I guess | 22:18 |
| mgedmin | so is echo, and while | 22:19 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: it does work | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | which means you can echo /proc/* and get a poor-man's ps | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | and poor man's cat | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat /proc/* | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo proc/* is a bit useless, except for poor man's ls | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 22:21 |
| Corsac | ps you mean | 22:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer hides | 22:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> echo /proc/* | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | /proc/1 /proc/10 /proc/10430 /proc/10745 /proc/10746 /proc/10776 /proc/1093 /proc/11 /proc/11229 /proc/11301 /proc/1138 /proc/11608 /proc/11832 /proc/11924 /proc/12 /proc/1207 /proc/1212 /proc/1213 /proc/1217 /proc/1218 /proc/1226 /proc/1227 /proc/13 /proc/1304 /proc/1309 /proc/1318 /proc/1320 /proc/1328 /proc/1329 /proc/13604 /proc/1365 /proc/1367 /proc/13686 /proc/1369 /proc/1371 /proc/1396 /proc/14 /proc/1418 /proc/14920 /proc/1497 /proc/ | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1498 /proc/15 /proc/1561 /proc/1569 /proc/1572 /proc/1575 /proc/1599 /proc/16 /proc/1612 /proc/1625 /proc/1628 /proc/16551 /proc/16553 /proc/1667 /proc/17 /proc/17087 /proc/17149 /proc/17153 /proc/17211 /proc/1733 /proc/1771 /proc/18 /proc/1813 /proc/18686 /proc/1871 /proc/1881 /proc/19 /proc/19464 /proc | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops, not complete, but still more than I planned to c&p | 22:22 |
| fizzie | (Or, to be fair to CFEngine, "did go"; they had some file-descriptor leak bug, and also another bug which would leave an un-wait()d child when it ran out of file descriptors, at a rate of one/15 minutes. Had over a thousand accumulate. Though the "zombie attack" comments admittedly made the issue tracker more lively.) | 22:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> echo /proc/*|wc | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1 273 3120 | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> type cat | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat is /bin/cat | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> type -t echo cat ps | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | builtin | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | file | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | file | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | fizzie: slomo fork bomb | 22:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I had a brilliant fork bomb on maemo, when I had the brillinat idea to keep simple shellscript in /etc/dbus-scripts.d/* | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | hildon and maemo still *somewhat* worked | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | but sloooooooooow XP | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess OOM daemon kicked in, trying to keep system alive | 22:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nm, mixed up my htop settings for "show threads" | 22:42 |
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