IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2012-01-30

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trumeeDocScrutinizer: ping00:25
DocScrutinizertrumee: pong00:27
trumeeDocScrutinizer: do you know if an internal hard disk can be exposed via usb?00:28
DocScrutinizermass storage mode?00:28
trumeeDocScrutinizer: My tv has a usb port and it can write to a usb disk00:28
trumeeDocScrutinizer: yes00:28
DocScrutinizerwell, what's the question exactly?00:29
trumeei was wondering if i can connect my computer usb to the tv's usb00:29
trumeeand use computers internal harddisk.00:29
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DocScrutinizerhardly, as your computer has a USB host, no peripheral00:29
trumeeright, that is what i wanted to know. so there is no way to go about this?00:30
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DocScrutinizerthere are way, but you don't want to do this00:30
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freemangordontrumee, ping00:30
trumeefreemangordon: pong00:31
trumeeDocScrutinizer: does it involve hardware mod?00:31
freemangordonI will need a couple of minutes to build a (hopefully) fixed kernel, is there any chance you to test it00:31
DocScrutinizeryes00:31
DocScrutinizeror expensive kinky adapters00:32
trumeefreemangordon: ran out of time today, but can do it tomorrow.00:32
freemangordonok, will post a link on KP thread00:32
trumeeDocScrutinizer: any guide or links will be usefull00:33
trumeeDocScrutinizer: or even google search term00:33
DocScrutinizertrumee: forget it, not worth the effort and expense00:33
dhbikerDocScrutinizer: i'm already studying/reading all that stuff00:33
trumeeDocScrutinizer: ok00:33
dhbiker:>00:33
DocScrutinizeryour best "adapter" is an external USB HDD00:34
trumeeDocScrutinizer: right.00:34
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DocScrutinizerthere are USB host2host adapters, to link two PCs together, but they use expensive MCU driven mini peripheral-proxy inside, and need special drivers on both hosts00:35
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DocScrutinizerAFAIK there are some SATA adapters that allow firewire and USB semi-concurrently00:37
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DocScrutinizerthere might also be automatic USB mux switches, that expose the peripheral to the USB host that first does some ENUM00:39
trumeeDocScrutinizer: thanks for the pointers00:39
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DocScrutinizeryou will not be happy with any of those00:39
DocScrutinizerget a el-cheapo USB HDD00:39
DocScrutinizerand move it between PC and TV00:40
trumeeDocScrutinizer: well my mythtv box is setting next to the tv. it has lot of harddisk space, i was hoping to use some of it directly with the tv00:40
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DocScrutinizerwell then you actually might consider getting a USB-peripheral adapter card for the mythtv00:41
DocScrutinizeror do some hw hacking to mod a USB host card to periph00:42
DocScrutinizeryou still would need a transparent storage emulator, the thing we are somethimes missing on N900 so we can't access the eMMC internally while it's exposed to USB mass storage00:44
trumeeDocScrutinizer: cheers00:45
DocScrutinizereven if you'd get such a magic driver, I still don't see how your mythtv would learn to flush disk buffers and reread the possibly changed HDD content via filesystem driver00:45
DocScrutinizereach filesystem driver always assumes exclusive control over the storage medium00:46
DocScrutinizer(except NFS of course)00:46
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i guess i will stick with an external usb  hdd :)00:47
DocScrutinizertoldya you don't want to go that path00:47
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DocScrutinizer:-D00:47
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oilinkigood morning. quick question. where on the filesystem the N900 images with camera are located?05:32
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oilinkisome say that those are supposed to be on /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM but there is no files. yet I can see the images with GUI Photo application05:37
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LaoLang_cooloilinki: .camera05:39
LaoLang_coolor DCIM on sd card05:39
LaoLang_cool.camera/ is on MyDocs/05:39
newbie007hi, I'm trying to create a desktop widget. I'm following the code from example-desktop-widget-0.2.0. Everything was going well until I tried installing it a few more times. I can't seem to remove it now. The error message I'm getting is here: http://www.fpaste.org/DZuo/ Any ideas to get this removed?05:40
oilinkiI don't have that directory. really puzzled.05:40
oilinkiI'll check the memory card if the images are somewhere there05:40
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oilinkiLaoLang_cool: thanks for the tip. the images are for some reason on the memory card. I did not know that. /media/mmc1/DCIM05:41
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LaoLang_cooloilinki: if sd card is unavailable, it will be located on MyDocs/.camera IIRC05:41
oilinkiLaoLang_cool: ok.  I'll better to remove the memory card as I wish to store the images on the device itself.05:44
LaoLang_cooloilinki: ok, I'd like it to be on the memory card ;p05:44
oilinkiYes. I guess these are our preferences :) I think however my memory card was not mounted to my laptop when I connected the device with usb.05:45
oilinkianyway I wish to make a short rsync which will upload the images to my laptop or to NAS when the device is connected to home network05:46
oilinki..lazy to copy the files manually :)05:46
LaoLang_coollooks nice05:48
LaoLang_coolWe all lazy ^^05:48
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newbie007hi, I'm trying to create a desktop widget. I'm following the code from example-desktop-widget-0.2.0. Everything was going well until I tried installing it a few more times. I can't seem to remove it now. The error message I'm getting is here: http://www.fpaste.org/DZuo/ Any ideas to get this removed?06:12
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newbie007is there a dev channel?06:15
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newbie007I think the solution was to restart af-sb then restart scratchbox06:33
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DocScrutinizeroilinki: there's a chooser in camera app, lower left side icon08:42
DocScrutinizerpick your storage destination from internal and uSD card there08:42
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MacerStyXman: sorry but what was the nav app you said to try?08:55
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Macermarble?08:55
Macermarble + something for the audio08:56
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DocScrutinizermonav, for routing09:12
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massoudhi dears,11:17
massoudi would like to completely clone one n900 to another n90011:18
massoudwhat is the optimized way to do that (dd of the partitions?)?any maemo tools to do that?11:19
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[DarkGUNMAN]morning all11:24
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Sicelomassoud: i'd use BackupMenu11:49
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massoudSicelo: thanks will use it as it seems to the solution12:49
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[DarkGUNMAN]afternoon all15:14
freemangordontrumee_afk, pink15:15
freemangordontrumee_afk, ping :D15:16
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StyXmanSicelo: you suggested BackupMenu for copying the contents of a n900 to another. any advantage over an rsync script? I have two for backing up/restoring mine16:05
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Sicelowell, i dunno.. i'm no guru. but i wonder how well rsync can work with a 'live' system.16:18
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cehtehyou can rsync a live system, do it again, maybe twice (this time it will be fast since no much changes happen), then stop the system and rsync it once again finally16:21
cehtehbut well this wont work well from inside the system you cant rsync a stopped system, works well with virtual servers, chroots and so on :)16:22
cehtehbackup menu doesnt backup user data btw you need more than that, and there rsync might be an advantage, and you know certainly that you didnt changed the user data16:22
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Cloud_Hi, there16:23
Cloud_!16:23
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RST38hA couple of Brits were unceremoniously ejected from the US last week after one of them ill-advisedly tweeted he was off to "destroy America"16:52
RST38hMghm16:52
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* RST38h has read about it all before16:53
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MohammadAGor I fucked up, one  of either16:58
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totalizatordoes NITDroid install new kernel? what does it modify in the original system?17:06
keesj_Android requires kernel modifucations so my guess is that it mainly changes the boot process(e.g. add the chooser menu)17:08
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MohammadAGMultiBoot flashes a new kernel17:13
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totalizatorok, how does it differs from the stock one?17:23
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MohammadAGno idea, ask on #nitdroid17:23
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RST38hMohammad: Pastebin17:30
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totalizatorMohammadAG: you're right, thanks!17:35
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MohammadAGRST38h, I figured it out with a cheap trick I guess17:49
MohammadAGbut sure17:49
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MohammadAGRST38h, http://pastebin.com/5fnxBs1t17:51
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MohammadAGRST38h, problem is without the class ProfilePage (while still including profilepage.h in the .h file) errors out18:01
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freemangordontrumee_afk, ping18:27
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trumeefreemangordon, pong19:37
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freemangordontrumee, I will upload hopefully BT handsfree fixed kernel-power in several minuts, is it possible to test it?19:44
trumeefreemangordon, yes.19:45
trumeefreemangordon, is that with BT debug set?19:45
trumee~ping19:46
infobot~pong19:46
freemangordonnope, it should fix the bug. BTW can you try the one from http://dox.bg/files/dw?a=dcb2ef99a6 in the meantime19:47
freemangordontrumee ^^^19:47
trumeefreemangordon, not atm. should be home in about 20 mins19:48
trumeefreemangordon, shitty 3g internet on the train19:48
freemangordontrumee ok, will wait for your report. If it does not fix the bug, I will upload a new one, which will fix it for sure19:49
trumeefreemangordon, somebody gave you feedback on tmo. is this a newer build to that one?19:50
freemangordonno, the same19:50
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freemangordonbut I want a confirmation that it does not solve the issue from you19:51
trumeefreemangordon, ok19:51
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ruskiehttp://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/30/dutch_mobile_retailer_typhone_posts_nokia_lumia_910_spec/20:17
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trumeefreemangordon: ping20:29
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freemangordontrumee, pong20:41
trumeefreemangordon: seems to be fixed20:41
freemangordonseems?20:41
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trumeefreemangordon: yes it is fixed20:41
trumeeonly had one issue20:41
freemangordongood, that is why I wanted your confirmation.20:42
freemangordontrume, what issue?20:42
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freemangordontrumee ^^^20:42
trumeeturn on headset, click on BT in status menu.20:42
trumeeclick on devices, select BH214, click connect. N900 says connection failed20:43
freemangordonthat's normal AFAIK, you should initiate the connectio from handsfree itself20:43
trumeefreemangordon: you mean, turn N900 BT first before turning on headset?20:44
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freemangordon..or push the connect button on the handsfree20:45
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trumeefreemangordon: Nokia BH214 doesnt have a connect button20:45
freemangordonwell, how do you pair it then20:45
trumeefreemangordon: it is already paired and is a trusted device20:46
freemangordonI mean, my platronics has only one button, but it has different functions dependin on how long you hold it pressed20:46
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freemangordontrumee, is it the same with stock kernel?20:46
trumeefreemangordon: hang on a minute20:47
trumeefreemangordon: this is not reproducable. only 1 in 5 times did it fail20:47
trumeefreemangordon: so i wont worry about this.20:47
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trumeemaybe BT has to be alive for sometime before negotation happens20:49
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trumeefreemangordon: crap20:49
trumeefreemangordon: it is not working anymore20:50
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Palikernel-power packages was promoted to extras-testing!20:50
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Palisee first post in kernel-power thread20:50
trumeefreemangordon: ok, button stopped responding for a few seconds. and i lost a2dp20:51
trumeefreemangordon: but then it started working again20:51
freemangordontrumee, is there any difference compared with stock kernel?20:52
trumeefreemangordon: did not have issues like this with stock20:53
trumeefreemangordon: i think this kernel needs a bit of testing before we can conclude this works20:53
trumeefreemangordon: i am not sure what suddenly triggered the loss of a2dp20:54
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trumeefreemangordon: but it is behaving much better compared to KP4920:55
trumeefreemangordon: KP49 was unusable20:55
freemangordontrumee, ok, let me upload a new kernel, this one should have all issues fixed20:56
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freemangordontrumee, http://dox.bg/files/dw?a=dcb2ef99a620:57
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freemangordontrumee, I need your feedback to decide which of two patches I have here is better. I am not pushing you, take your time :)21:08
trumeefreemangordon: ok, i have flashed the new kernel21:12
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trumeefreemangordon: i like the new one better :)21:16
trumeefreemangordon: cannot be sure, but it seems that stock mediaplayer resumes better after a call21:16
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freemangordontrumee, well, I will send that patch to pali for inclusion in KP50, if any issue arose, please post it on KP thread ont TMO. Thanks a lot for your cooperation21:19
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trumeefreemangordon: sure will do that. Thanks for working on this.21:20
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trumeefreemangordon: does this replace the bt-mice patch?21:20
freemangordonyep21:20
freemangordondo you want the new one?21:20
freemangordontrumee ^^^21:21
trumeefreemangordon: yes please21:21
freemangordonok, I will upload it on the same place as .debs, just give me a minut21:21
trumeefreemangordon: ok21:21
Sicelokewl Pali21:21
trumeefreemangordon: but i think i will have to wait before using kp49/50 until the video issue is sorted out21:22
trumeefreemangordon: cant live without podcasts :)21:22
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freemangordontrumee, patch uploaded here http://dox.bg/files/dw?a=dcb2ef99a621:23
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trumeefreemangordon: thanks21:24
freemangordontrumee, you mean videos from http://feeds.feedburner.com/cnet/top5?format=xml?21:25
trumeefreemangordon: yes21:25
freemangordonyou can workaround it by installing 720p support21:25
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trumeefreemangordon: i am afraid of breaking other stuff, so i kept away from the new codecs21:26
freemangordonwell, it is up to you :D. But I am using it on my primary device, no issues so far.21:26
trumeefreemangordon: i dont overclock either.21:27
freemangordonyou don't have to21:27
freemangordonactually harmattan codecs seem better optimized than stock21:28
trumeefreemangordon: do you think 720p+kp will go into CSSU, or kp alone?21:28
freemangordononly KP until someone find how to distribute the codecs with CSSU21:28
trumeefreemangordon: right, then kp will need a fix to play the videos without 720p codecs21:29
trumeefreemangordon: do you think a fix is possible to play these videos with installing 720p codecs?21:30
trumees/with/without21:30
freemangordontrumee, the problem is not in KP AIUI, but in gst-dsp, still didn't have time to look at the issue, but anyway gst-dsp is OSS, so it can be fixed21:30
trumeefreemangordon: right, then why is kp49 breaking gst-dsp unlike kp48?21:31
freemangordonbecause DSP driver in KP49 is the one from Harmattan, while DSP driver in KP48 is much older21:32
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freemangordoni.e. something like 2.6.32 agains 2.6.3021:33
trumeefreemangordon: ok i see.21:33
trumeefreemangordon: is that something which can be reverted easily in kp49?21:34
freemangordonnope21:35
freemangordonDSP patch is about 2MB, and there is a lot of code written by me21:35
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freemangordontrumee, there will be fix, trust me on that ;)21:36
freemangordon(tm)21:36
trumeefreemangordon: ok, will wait for your fix then. :)21:36
freemangordonyeah, that will be the next issue I will look in21:36
trumeefreemangordon: cheers, you rock!21:37
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prontoso, at shmoocon last night(lobbycon), i ran into like 5 people with n900's o_o21:56
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ruskiehttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Spark-tablet-announced/ <-- hmm23:13
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MohammadAGindeed23:19
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MohammadAGinterested in it, but RAM's meh23:19
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Macerruskie: that thing looks pretty cool23:32
Macerand i am a big fan of kde :)23:32
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ruskieI'll be getting it since at that price point it's possibly cheaper than getting a raspberry pi+usb/hdmi touchscreen23:35
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ruskieto use for a bedside computer and such23:35
ruskieand imho it is the perfect size23:35
* SpeedEvil sort-of-wants to support the hardware.23:37
SpeedEvilI guess if things go right on monday I can.23:37
ShadowJKWhat happens monday?23:39
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ruskieproject completion or something possibly ;)23:41
ruskieor payday or something ;)23:41
MohammadAG200 euros, guess I'll start saving23:43
MohammadAGhmm, or sell the N950 for, one million dollars!23:44
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SpeedEvilAppeal against benefit decision last January.23:44
ruskieI'll be spending 210 eur for a n900 next month23:45
MohammadAGanother one?23:46
ruskieonly have one23:46
ruskiehaven't bought a second one for backup23:46
ruskieyet23:46
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merlin1991ruskie: 210 is a lil high for a used device23:58
merlin1991you can get proper ones for ~ 15023:58
ruskienot used23:58
ruskienew with a full 2 year warranty23:58
merlin1991ah okay 210 is ok for that :D23:58

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