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FIQ|n900Totally unrelated but still worth discussing. An "other" of sorts. No religious or political topics please.02:53
FIQ|n900Last post: The epic ACTA thread by szopin  @ Today 04:20 PM Go to last post02:53
FIQ|n900hm...02:53
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[DarkGUNMAN]PhoneME Advanced test build available for Maemo/MeeGo - talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1157338#post115733815:19
[DarkGUNMAN]sorry if this a repost, had connection problem15:19
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freddddRobot101, I badly need your help for quite a while now regarding that package you made me install. =/16:56
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Robot101fredddd: just download the original from http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_sdk_free_source/loudmouth/1.4.1-0osso10+0m5/ and install - actually apt-get install --reinstall might work too16:57
freddddThank you.16:59
freddddRobot101, armel or i386?17:01
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Robot101armel17:04
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MohammadAGfrals: Ping17:13
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freddddRobot101, this is weird, upon doing apt-get instal --reinstall package-name-auto-completed-with-tab.deb it says it can not find the package.17:52
freddddYet it is there in the folder. =/17:52
freddddIt even auto completes the name upon pressing tab17:52
fw190DocScrutinizer: ping17:53
Wizzupfredddd: dpkg -i17:54
DocScrutinizerpong17:54
fw190hello17:54
DocScrutinizerwazzup?17:54
fw190have you seen the new N90017:54
fw190I've send yesterday?17:54
Robot101fredddd: yeah, dpkg -i installs a .deb file, apt-get downloads it from the server17:54
DocScrutinizererrWUT?17:54
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fw190you were looking where to buy new N90017:54
fw190I've send you a link here17:54
DocScrutinizeraaah, the polish website, yes thanks, but alas I can't find my way around it17:55
fw190hmmm17:55
fw190I could help17:55
fw190and ask if they send abroad17:55
fw190if the proce is Ok for you17:55
DocScrutinizersure thing, thanks a lot for that17:55
fw190this is something like mediaMarkt so a relaianle one17:55
DocScrutinizerok17:56
fw190I will send them an email and ask it they send abroad17:56
DocScrutinizerso they don't have a "English" button on their page? ;-D17:56
DocScrutinizereven "German"?17:56
* DocScrutinizer wonders if google-translate might help17:57
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DocScrutinizerthey're supposed to send abroad inside EU17:57
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DocScrutinizerjust I'm supposed to understand what I "sign" on their website17:57
DocScrutinizer;-D17:58
fw190I just gave the a call17:58
DocScrutinizereven worse: understand what I'm supposed to do for payment, order, whatnot17:58
fw190they only send inside Poland17:58
fw190damn17:58
fw190this is strange17:58
DocScrutinizerWTF? sue them!!! :-P17:59
DocScrutinizerisn't Poland EU member?17:59
DocScrutinizerAFAIK they are obliged to deliver to arbitrary EU locations17:59
fw190I do not know what the state of the law is18:00
fw190maybe it;s their inside regulation18:00
fw190it seems that the only way would be to buy it here and send it but this might not be safe18:02
DocScrutinizerhmm, maybe safe enough18:02
DocScrutinizerwhere are they located?18:03
DocScrutinizerI even might ponder having a nice weekend trip18:03
fw190well you could order it to a shop which is nearest to the border18:03
DocScrutinizer:nod:18:03
fw190and pic it up tere it costs 1 euro for delivery to a shop18:03
fw190I will chceck where that could be18:04
fw190you prefer northern part or southern of the western border?18:04
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DocScrutinizersouthern18:04
fw190this ok? http://maps.google.pl/maps?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=jelenia+g%C3%B3ra&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x470ede3bb9f54cd9:0xc158d47122acfbc,Jelenia+G%C3%B3ra&gl=pl&ei=UW4lT_rROMyq-gb4-_XuBg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CFgQ8gEwAg18:05
fw190here is a shop withe easier road http://maps.google.pl/maps?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=legnica&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x470f1285124037c1:0x438e15212088e6a2,Legnica&gl=pl&ei=hW4lT7-ZE4yq-gbcku3kAg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CGMQ8gEwBA18:07
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fw190I could order it for you, send you the order number. If you dont pick it up they will put no costs, you also dont pay for it untill you pick it up18:08
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DocScrutinizerhttp://maps.google.pl/maps?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=jelenia+góra&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x470ede3bb9f54cd9:0xc158d47122acfbc,Jelenia+Góra&gl=pl&ei=UW4lT_rROMyq-gb4-_XuBg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CFgQ8gEwAg a bit lengthy for a weekend trip still18:09
fw190bolesławiec is closer ;)18:10
DocScrutinizerI have to find another way to get it18:12
fw190this is as close as it gets http://maps.google.pl/maps?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=boles%C5%82awiec&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x470f343b0d3038af:0x8dfc0e8cd07478a2,Boles%C5%82awiec&gl=pl&ei=rG8lT4zVGMnn-gbH3KS4CA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CFwQ8gEwBA18:12
fw190ok If I could help PM me on TMO ro send ma na email18:12
DocScrutinizerthanks a lot :-)18:14
fw190I still can not belive that the do not send abroad18:17
* DocScrutinizer neither, but I can't even read their page to learn if they do or not ;)18:17
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DocScrutinizerwtf is up with my Konversation client?18:28
DocScrutinizerDocScrutinizer51: test18:28
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bluesleehow can i surpass teh following issue18:40
bluesleelibxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.7.8-0maemo4+0m6) but 2.7.8-0maemo5+0m6 is to be installed18:40
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bluesleei mean the devel package is from here http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/libx/libxml2/18:44
bluesleerefers to maemo4? and does not match the version of libxml2 which has maemo5 in the package name18:45
bluesleeand evertyhing on harmattan=maemo6?!18:45
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Sicelohmm, getting this now when inserting sd card: mmc0: host does not support reading read-only switch. assuming write-enable.18:51
SpeedEvilNormal18:52
SpeedEvilmicroSD does notr have r/w18:52
Siceloall cards tested do this, but work on every other phone/pc i tried. and it's not a case of magnetic case or what18:53
SiceloSpeedEvil: the card can't be mounted, automatically or manually :(18:53
SpeedEvilMicroSD cards simply do not have a r/w switch18:53
SpeedEvilyou're misreading it18:53
SpeedEvilThat line is just saying it's assuming that it's read/write18:54
SpeedEvilit's nothing to do with mounting18:54
Sicelohere's lines..18:54
Siceloimmediately after that one..18:55
Sicelommc0: new high speed SD card at address 000218:55
Sicelo[35558.107574] mmcblk1: mmc0:0002 00000 1.86 GiB18:55
Sicelo[35558.107879]  mmcblk1:18:55
Siceloany idea?18:56
Siceloi don't use sd cards that much, but last i time they worked.18:59
SpeedEvilAgain, not an error19:00
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Sicelowell, what would u suggest i do/check?19:03
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SpeedEvilWhat filesystem is it?19:03
SiceloFAT19:03
Sicelolinux, nokia s40 phones can all access the card withot ny issue19:04
SpeedEvilTry mount /dev/mmcblk1 /home/user/MyDocs/19:04
Sicelo*any19:04
SpeedEviland see if it thros an error19:04
Sicelomount: mounting /dev/mmcblk1 on /home/user/MyDocs/ failed: No such file or directory19:05
SpeedEvilOkay - does MyDocs exist?19:06
SpeedEvilthe dir19:06
Siceloof course :)19:06
SpeedEvilSorry - mostly asleep - not helping much19:06
DocScrutinizerEEEK you don't mount uSD on MyDocs!!19:07
SpeedEvilerr19:07
SpeedEvilthat, yes19:07
SpeedEviloops19:07
Siceloyeah, lol19:07
Siceloi triead a different dir before.. same error19:07
DocScrutinizerls .l /dev/mmc*19:08
Sicelowhat's missing SpeedEvil is /dev/mmcblk119:08
DocScrutinizererr ls -l19:08
Siceloyeah DocScrutinizer, only mmcblk0*19:08
DocScrutinizer:-/19:08
DocScrutinizeryour card might be corrupt19:09
Sicelonope. i tried 4 cards now. all known to be working, tested with 3 phones and card reader on linux19:10
DocScrutinizersorry I have no way to test right now what should show up when you hotplug a uSD on fremantle19:10
DocScrutinizerin syslog19:10
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Siceloit should be mmcblk0p0 iirc19:11
Sicelo*1p0, i mean19:11
DocScrutinizerJan 18 22:49:04 IroN900 kernel: [   12.107543] mmcblk1: mmc1:0001 MMC32G 29.8 GiB19:11
DocScrutinizerJan 18 22:49:04 IroN900 kernel: [   12.107910]  mmcblk1: p1 p2 p319:11
Siceloi've used sd card successfully before.. dunno wth is wrong now19:11
DocScrutinizerthis card has 3 partitions19:11
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Siceloyeah.. yours is happy :(19:12
DocScrutinizermaybe yours got none, I.E superfloppy19:12
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DocScrutinizersuperfloppy not supported by fremantle afaik19:12
Siceloi tested on linux.. partition is there19:12
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DocScrutinizeris it actually a partition?19:13
Sicelowill confirm again in 30 minutes19:13
DocScrutinizeruse cfdisk on a desktop linux19:13
DocScrutinizerother devices and also windoof love to format uSD as superfloppy19:14
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DocScrutinizerI.E no partition table19:14
DocScrutinizerfirst block is first data chunk19:14
Sicelook. i know about superfloppy, but didn't think 'basic' devices do that. (i dumped windows a year ago :P)19:15
DocScrutinizera lot of devices do that19:15
DocScrutinizeryour quoted syslog suggests there are no partitions, yet you should see /dev/mmcblk119:16
Sicelothat's not there.19:16
DocScrutinizerthen probably hw failure, uSD are known to work with one device and crap out with another. Protocol/clockspeed negotioation is kinky19:17
DocScrutinizerthere's been a linux-global fix for uSD driver some time ago19:18
DocScrutinizerfrom intel iirc19:18
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DocScrutinizerI'd bet it's missing in stock fremantle kernel19:19
DocScrutinizerallegedlya only needed for one particular brand of uSD (kingston?)19:19
DocScrutinizer(transcend?)19:19
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DocScrutinizerI'm not aware if we already got it in powerkernel19:20
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Sicelo_meh.. bad internet19:20
DocScrutinizerI recently suggested to get it into CSSU (though kernel domain which is somewhat orthogonal to CSSU)19:21
Sicelo_getting what into CSSU?19:21
DocScrutinizerooops you missed all my monolog? get chanlog! http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog19:21
Sicelo_sure.. i'll do that :)19:22
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Sicelohmm, looks like i have hw issue :(19:46
Sicelo_used cfdisk, and now dmesg shows19:47
Sicelo_ mmcblk1: mmc0:0002 00000 1.86 GiB19:47
Sicelo_mmcblk1: p119:47
Sicelo_but no entry in /dev/19:48
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DocScrutinizernow that's weird19:52
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ShadowJKI wonder if the thing that creates the entry has died19:53
DocScrutinizerthat thing is called kernel :-D19:53
scoobertrondoes anyone know if it is possible to change the font colour (or other properties) on the default lockscreen? (I know about qtlockscreen etc, just wondering what is possible with the default)19:53
Sicelo_i don't want to blame PK49, but i have'nt used sd cards since i upgrades from kp47... but then, i'm sure others with KP49 don't have this issue19:56
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, no it's not19:58
ShadowJKit's in userspace19:58
DocScrutinizerduh?19:58
DocScrutinizerwhat in userspace would create a /dev/*19:59
DocScrutinizerI know udev does the renaming19:59
NIN101e. g. udev19:59
* Sicelo had thought of udev20:00
Sicelohow to reinstall it perhaps?20:00
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DocScrutinizerhmm, I seem to stand corrected20:00
DocScrutinizerSicelo: try udevadm monitor20:00
DocScrutinizercheck /etc/udev/20:01
DocScrutinizeror whatever it's been20:01
Siceloas it's now kinda clear that it's not h/w.. trying via h-e-n does the same thing20:01
DocScrutinizerh-e-n is unrelated20:01
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Sicelo_ [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk20:03
Sicelo_but there's no /dev/sdb*20:03
DocScrutinizerI still think your uSD formatting/partitioning is the culprit20:04
DocScrutinizeralso dmesg seems suboptimal20:04
DocScrutinizeruse syslog20:04
trumeefreemangordon: ping20:04
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freemangordontrumee, pong20:20
trumeefreemangordon: did my report on videos not playing make sense?20:20
trumeefreemangordon: dsp errors on SD videos.20:20
freemangordondo you have a example video, so I can test it here.20:22
freemangordon*an20:22
freemangordonBTW doy you have the same problem when using KP from repos?20:22
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freemangordontrumee ^^^20:22
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trumeefreemangordon: any mp4 video from here, http://feeds.feedburner.com/cnet/top5?format=xml20:24
trumeefreemangordon: no, i only tried with my own kp49 built (minus bt patch). However Sicelo, had a go with kp49 from the repo and reported the same error20:25
freemangordonok, will check20:25
trumeefreemangordon: cheers. kp48 (minus bt patch) plays the video fine here,20:27
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DocScrutinizerFWIW stock maemo with CSSU plays fine20:31
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freemangordontrumee, KP49 + maemo6 gst-dsp and DSP codecs plays the first video fine here, seems something in maemo5 gst-dsp is causing the problem. However, I don't have time now to look into the issue, will try to fix it next week.20:37
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trumeefreemangordon: np, just wanted to bring to your notice.20:37
freemangordonyeah, thanks20:38
trumeefreemangordon: would be happy to help with bt testing whenever you have that ready.20:39
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freemangordontrumee, I am trying to fix it right now, hopefully will be ready in a matter of 1-2 hours, will ping you when I am ready20:40
trumeefreemangordon: sure20:40
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Macerholy crap20:52
Macerovi maps20:53
Maceris absolutely20:53
MacerAWFUL20:53
Maceri got lost 3 times trying to use it20:53
Maceri wish there was google maps for maemo20:54
Maceri bet if i took my android phone i'd have turn by turn instructions every 2 secs20:54
SiceloDocScrutinizer: klogd or sysklogd?20:54
DocScrutinizerI guess both20:54
DocScrutinizerone depends on the other20:55
DocScrutinizeriirc20:55
DocScrutinizerso try sysklogd first, I guess it will pull klogd20:56
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Siceloyeah.. they're getting installed atm :)20:56
Sicelobtw, i remember reading somewhere that u run risk of filling up space :/20:57
DocScrutinizererr, well, yeah, you eventually should rm /var/log/syslog20:58
DocScrutinizerevery now and then20:58
DocScrutinizerI do it every 3 months or somesuch20:58
DocScrutinizeror get logrotate pkg, if there's any20:59
Siceloah, looks like there is logrotate20:59
DocScrutinizeryou might want to configure it to your preferences - dunno what defaults it ships with21:00
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DocScrutinizerI never bothered as for me it turned out syslog space consumption isn't really an issue21:01
DocScrutinizerafter all it needs some loglines to fill a MB of storage ;-)21:01
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r--    1 root     root      3050728 Jan 29 20:00 /var/log/syslog21:02
DocScrutinizer~ # head /var/log/syslog21:03
DocScrutinizerJan 18 22:49:03 IroN900 syslogd 1.5.0#5maemo7+0m5: restart.21:03
DocScrutinizerhmm21:03
DocScrutinizerquite a bit21:03
DocScrutinizer3MB in 11 days21:03
DocScrutinizerwell, I did quite some reboots lately, which usually I don't21:04
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StyXmanMacer: have you tried marble+monav?21:09
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: I think I'd get a bashscript with "cp /varlog/syslog /var/log/syslog.old && echo "reste by me" >/var/log/syslog", then every now and then hit the icon that starts that scriptie21:12
Sicelo\o/21:12
Sicelobtw, memory card read fine now after (a forced) reboot21:13
DocScrutinizerI actually type those cmds every few months21:13
DocScrutinizerduh!21:13
DocScrutinizeryeah, you often need a reboot to make kernel recover from fsckdup partition table on a device21:14
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Sicelobattery fell out when i opened cover :-s21:14
DocScrutinizerseems this part of kernel still isn't really made for removable media21:15
DocScrutinizercfdisk suggests reboot to read in new partition table anyway21:15
DocScrutinizerso nothing entirely new and exciting21:16
DocScrutinizerjust new to learn it impacts uSD21:16
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DocScrutinizerwell, on superfloppy there isn't *any* magic number to tell "hah, this is superfloppy now", so superfloppy is the fallback for any arbitrary crap and you even could have stored a MBR&parttbl in first sector of your superfloppy, as plain data part of a file21:18
MacerStyXman: no?21:18
DocScrutinizerI guess21:18
Maceris that some sort of better gps nav app?21:18
DocScrutinizeror some funny incidence that makes FAT look like MBR21:18
Macerbeacuse i would have been doing better with stellar navigation than ovi maps21:18
DocScrutinizerso no sane way back from superfloppy once kernel decided it's one21:19
DocScrutinizerget orrery then ;-P21:19
DocScrutinizerMacer: ^^^21:20
Macer?21:20
Sicelolol.. orrery21:20
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DocScrutinizeror stellarium21:20
StyXmanMacer: I tried it a bit and it worked for me21:23
StyXmanactually I don't need much navigation, but you could try21:23
Sicelosame here.. add in the voice navigation tweak and u are all set21:23
StyXmanSicelo: I never found out how to do it21:24
StyXmanI never cared that much either :|21:24
StyXmanI use marble mostly for tracking and digital map21:24
Siceloworks for me like a charm.. use the OMVoiceServer method.. nearly fool-proof (i'm quite noob with *nix.. but it worked for me first try)21:25
StyXmanSicelo: ah, but you mean for ovinav...21:27
StyXmannot for marble...21:27
StyXmanMacer: disclaimer: I couldn't get it to have voice yet21:27
Macerlol21:28
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Siceloi was talking about ovi maps, yes :)21:29
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StyXmanMacer: and again, I didn't try that much21:34
StyXmanvery hard*21:34
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StyXmanMacer: someone just told me how to enable it21:45
StyXmansomeone in #marble*21:45
StyXmanI'm really not used to pres-and-hold as a context menu21:45
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IkarusI plan on giving it a shot this summer, porting Maemo (actual Maemo, Harmattan, etc are MEH to me) to another phone out of desperation, my N900 died, they can't get me a replacement and used ones are also pretty EOL.... and erm, tried other phones the last few months and the combination of Maemo + landscape hardware keyboard is hard to beat (sorry N9)22:01
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SpeedEvilIkarus: :)22:02
SpeedEvilGood luck.22:02
IkarusSpeedEvil: I'll need it I think22:04
IkarusDroid 2 (or Droid 3 if they managed to get the bootloader worked out by then) is the likely phone22:04
kerioa droid 4 will probably be my next phone :(22:05
SpeedEvilHere is where I wish there was a nice way to reward people for efforts.22:05
kerioand it's going to suck because it's going to be locked down *hard*22:05
SpeedEvilA systematic way, I mean.22:05
kerioin the best motorola traditions22:05
Ikaruskerio: hmhm22:05
kerioSpeedEvil: some people achieve that through the exchange of something called money22:06
SpeedEvilkerio: Sure.22:06
SpeedEvilkerio: I mean a systematic way that would work for funding open-source projects.22:06
Ikarusthing with Motorola is that the hardware design is not too exotic and as the only one has a good HW keyboard22:06
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IkarusI am sort of forced to go that route22:06
IkarusHTC might be a spare option22:07
Ikarusbut others are all believers in the way of the iPhone22:07
kerioHTC has no recent phone with a physical keyboard :(22:07
keriosome days i just want to say "fuck it" and buy an openpandora22:07
keriobut it costs waaaaaaaay too much22:07
kerioand the specs are kinda meh22:07
Ikaruswhile erm, my primary use of my N900 shows, I need a hardware keyboard22:07
kerioIkarus: fuckin ditto22:08
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Ikaruskerio: anyway, Moto according to Android people uses the same interface to the GSM chip and powermanagment for all their phones22:09
Ikarusso if I can get it working on Droid 2, porting it to the 3 and 4 would be easier22:10
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Ikarus(Droid 2 is a interesting pick, it's unlocked, it's 2x as fast as the N900, while still being OMAP 3 and is only $200)22:10
SpeedEvilAnd in principle, the platform is - sorta - irrelevant.22:11
SpeedEvilAs once you have the OS bits...22:12
SpeedEvilopen source22:12
IkarusSpeedEvil: correct22:12
IkarusSpeedEvil: the real nightmare is going to be implementing csd and the OMAP powermanagment drivers22:12
SpeedEvilJoy!22:12
SpeedEvilCSD=?22:12
IkarusMoto uses a custom IC for powermanagment of the OMAP22:12
SpeedEviloh dear.22:12
* SpeedEvil hands Ikarus a bus analyser.22:13
IkarusSpeedEvil: just the entire phone call backend22:13
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IkarusSpeedEvil: I plan on taking apart the motorola binaries for it22:13
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Ikarusbut in theory, if I can find some circuit diagrams and stick a analyser on it, that might help22:14
SpeedEvilIndeed.22:15
Ikarusbut I hope to make do with just poking around the binaries22:15
Ikarusoh and patching them to do some logging22:15
* SpeedEvil is depressed with this pointless effort.22:16
SpeedEvilI mean - of course it's in principle useful.22:16
SpeedEvilBut there are so many platforms.22:16
IkarusSpeedEvil: agreed22:16
* SpeedEvil just wants a few billion to develop a perfect phone.22:16
IkarusSpeedEvil: but your perfect phone is not mine sadly22:17
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SpeedEvilMy ideal phone would be pretty much a CPU core, that's trimmable with different shells.22:17
IkarusSpeedEvil: ie, gumstix ?22:17
SpeedEvilMaybe 2 or 3 CPU cores.22:17
SpeedEvilNo.22:17
SpeedEvilI mean a IP design.22:18
SpeedEvilAnd a way to source parts.22:18
Ikarusaah, right22:18
SpeedEvilSo that it was plausible for people wanting to make 5K phones to get the 'hard part' done.22:18
SpeedEvilFor example, provide a service to design the 3G modem part on the board, and supply the chips22:18
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IkarusSpeedEvil: but seriously, for me it's just a way to get a phone that works the way I want it, soon22:21
Ikarusdreaming is nice, but meh22:21
SpeedEvilIndeed.22:21
IkarusI'd love a N950 for example, it fit all my requirements, you just can't get them22:21
Ikarushence I'm picking something I can buy now, cheap and in bulk22:21
Ikarusthat has a proven hardware design22:21
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IkarusSpeedEvil: oh, on getting paid for ideas like this22:30
IkarusI might be able to spin it into ETCS for my BSc :)22:30
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SpeedEvilIkarus: :)23:30
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