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| ruskie | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Samsung-tips-Tizen-and-Bada-merger-plans/ | 08:27 |
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| plate | heh | 08:27 |
| plate | i love transitions.ini in CSSU | 08:27 |
| plate | amazing how fast thinsg are w/o SWOOSHY crap everywehre like on iOS | 08:27 |
| plate | itotally abhor that transition stuff, on GMA500 drivers on linux with 1fps 2D it just is a disaster | 08:28 |
| plate | and its all over chromium/firefox anymore | 08:28 |
| plate | "you pressed F11? unlucky you. wait 10 seconds while we redraw the URL bar 32 times " | 08:29 |
| wmarone | if it takes 10 seconds to do that, there's something technically flawed, and it's not the presence of the animation | 08:30 |
| plate | yes. its called GMA500 :) | 08:31 |
| plate | its the compounding of effects of bad videodrivers and eye-candy | 08:31 |
| plate | even w/ good drivers, it adds 0.5-1s of pointless wait, eg on iOS | 08:31 |
| wmarone | ah yeah, a SGX530 driven to netbook display sizes tends to not work out well | 08:32 |
| wmarone | but then the problem is, again, technical flaws | 08:32 |
| wmarone | heh | 08:32 |
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| plate | yes, flaws in intel's driver release process, underspecced chip. unfinished drivers. yay fun | 08:37 |
| * plate checks phoronix.com quarterly for updates on the situation | 08:38 | |
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| plate | "HTML5 will be a pivotal technology in the growth of a multi-screen, 4G LTE cloud that is emerging " | 09:44 |
| plate | it annoys me that these people get a salary, and Nokia proably layed off linux/gtk/open-source programmers | 09:45 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 09:45 |
| plate | ah theres much worse, Gartner analysts | 09:52 |
| plate | im sure theyre writting up tons of reports on Tizen's market potential, and the burgeoning HTML5 app-market as we speaak | 09:52 |
| plate | to be sold for $1100 to marketing departments at microsoft | 09:52 |
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| Macer | heh | 10:04 |
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| Macer | what makes it so bad is they are using smarketing words | 10:05 |
| Macer | "cloud" "httml5" | 10:05 |
| Macer | just to followt the trend | 10:05 |
| Macer | until that gets old | 10:05 |
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| Macer | and nobody cares.. they pay people 6 figures to say stupid things | 10:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone want to lend me a billion, so I can have a go at a nice open phone? | 10:06 |
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| peb | SpeedEvil, hasn't that been tried with OpenMokko? | 10:09 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 10:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Neglecting the amount of cash. | 10:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Openmoko had managment screwups. | 10:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | In march 2007, I had a neo1973, with software that would (with some bugs) wake successfully from suspend on inbound SMS and calls. Have a dialer, SMS, calculator app, and a terminal. Had an awesome screen (for the time). | 10:11 |
| SpeedEvil | The hardware had some minor issues - but with minor fixes, it could have been sold at around xmas 2007, with a slightly more polished software stack. | 10:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | It would have sold a significant number to geeks. | 10:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | However, they decided to both refresh the hardware in a major way - and to switch software stacks. | 10:14 |
| SpeedEvil | They changed the UI once, once to an internally developed one, and then to Qt. | 10:15 |
| SpeedEvil | During this period, the neo1973 had sold out, and the next revision was not available. | 10:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Android wasn't around for another 6-10 months. | 10:18 |
| plate | im really interested in Tizen's driver situation | 10:18 |
| plate | if its gona be some android-esque kernel, with 0% chance of vanilla ever working, im 0% interested | 10:18 |
| peb | SpeedEvil, nice writeup. But the neo1973 also was closed source. What's speaking against the N900? the fact that it's closed (hw)? | 10:18 |
| plate | it seems someone will slap a touchscreen on a RAspberry Pi beforea mobile mfr gets their head out of their arse | 10:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | err - what? | 10:19 |
| SpeedEvil | the neo1973 was more open than the n900 | 10:19 |
| SpeedEvil | by a lot | 10:19 |
| plate | neo schematics were available under GFDL or something no? | 10:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | No closed GPU, the only closed part was the modem. | 10:19 |
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| peb | Speedevil .. sorry, had a different phone in mind. Juggling to many Lables in my head (Ex-BQmobile) | 10:20 |
| SpeedEvil | As to what's against the n900 from an opensource perspective - it was a dead end. | 10:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyone else find that this shit is going too fast? :) | 10:22 |
| SpeedEvil | The iphone only launched just before xmas 2007 | 10:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plate: I think we put a CC on them | 10:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | took a while though to publish them, even after I joined OM | 10:30 |
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| plate | SpeedEvil: it almost seems inevitable some cheap Android phone from China will run Debian vanilla out of sheer luck | 10:31 |
| plate | id certainly prefer that to a TizenSamsung thing with 90% closed drivers, some weirdo fork of E17 (cute but hmm. i'll take my GTK thanks) | 10:32 |
| SpeedEvil | plate: Well - yes. | 10:32 |
| SpeedEvil | plate: Problem with that is that typically much of the stuff won't work without closed-source drivers. | 10:33 |
| SpeedEvil | for example, the modem. | 10:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Plus, you can't get source for cheap phones from china | 10:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo SpeedEvil | 10:36 |
| * SpeedEvil mehs. | 10:36 | |
| * SpeedEvil needs to get his insulated room up and working and heatable. | 10:37 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ouch yeah, nasty weather | 10:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | might get worse til weekend | 10:38 |
| SpeedEvil | ~4C in here. Electric blanket ++ | 10:39 |
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| jonwil | You guys are welcome to have the Summer heatwave currently going on around here | 10:42 |
| jonwil | 36C tomorrow | 10:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | jonwil: Someone needs to implement CTCP HEATPUMP | 10:54 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h: Peekaboo | 13:47 |
| RST38h | Moo, Mohammad. How are things? Has the cssu thing been settled? | 13:48 |
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| khertan | morning | 13:51 |
| RST38h | hey khertan | 13:51 |
| khertan | hey RST38h | 13:51 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h: Not sure what that is but I'm back for good | 13:53 |
| khertan | does qt quick component are available on fremantle now ? | 13:56 |
| ruskie | hmm I wonder what I broke on my N900 that it doesn't give me an option of jingle audio/video calls | 13:59 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: I think there was a problem with maemo.org people not being rensponsive about the infrastructure | 14:04 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: With discussions to move cssu repos off maemo.orgb | 14:05 |
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| khertan | moving cssu off mameo.org ? | 14:09 |
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| granden | Helo | 15:31 |
| granden | Got a bit of problem, can not boot my N900. | 15:31 |
| granden | It stuck in some kind of reboot loop. Is it possible to do anything about it? | 15:31 |
| granden | Was going to try to flash the emmc and latest firmwire. | 15:32 |
| granden | But seams like I can't because Im on osx. | 15:32 |
| granden | The flasher-3.5.pkg installs nicely but dont get any binary. | 15:32 |
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| x29a | granden: i think you have to download the images directly from nokia | 15:33 |
| x29a | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:34 |
| granden | sudo /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R | 15:40 |
| granden | that command does not work | 15:40 |
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| granden | as the /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 does not exist. | 15:40 |
| granden | even after installing and following the intscructions | 15:40 |
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| x29a | granden: does the flasher-3.5 binary exist somewhere? | 15:55 |
| granden | I dont know | 15:56 |
| granden | cant find it anywhere dunno wher eto look. | 15:56 |
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| Sicelo | did u install this one granden? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.dmg | 16:02 |
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| granden | Sicelo: Yes | 16:04 |
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| Sicelo | i wonder if `which` works under Mac.. try `which flasher-3.5` | 16:19 |
| granden | No error but no results either | 16:20 |
| granden | Heading over to a friends place, borrowing his Windows PC. Perhaps it will work. | 16:20 |
| Sicelo | ok. your best bet will always be linux ;) | 16:21 |
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| guly | which also works on osx :) | 16:23 |
| khertan | locate flasher | 16:24 |
| khertan | (just in case it s not in the path) | 16:24 |
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| guly | khertan: updatedb isn't enabled by default, osx(tm) users use spotlight(tm) and feel gratified | 17:01 |
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| MohammadAG | Upgrading to Ubuntu 11.10, I'll regret this, as always | 17:02 |
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| khertan | guly: wasn't the case when i was using macosx beta 10.4 :) | 17:09 |
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| khertan | [ Â 246.605375] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! | 17:10 |
| khertan | grrrr ... | 17:10 |
| khertan | i like obs | 17:10 |
| khertan | pfff prefer the maemo builder | 17:10 |
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| frals | khertan: you and me both :) | 17:18 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, khertan make that a threesome | 17:18 |
| khertan | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=KhtPasswdGen&project=home%3Akhertan&repository=Harmattan | 17:19 |
| khertan | anyone understand the problem ? | 17:19 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: about ubuntu i ve stopped using this os to use the original debian | 17:19 |
| khertan | with gnome 3.2 shell :) | 17:20 |
| khertan | :) | 17:20 |
| frals | make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/packages/BUILD' | 17:20 |
| frals | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. | 17:20 |
| frals | # /usr/bin/make # Uncomment this line for use without Qt Creator | 17:20 |
| frals | guess you might want to uncomment that line | 17:20 |
| khertan | yes ... i see that | 17:21 |
| khertan | don't know why qtcreator have build the package source with the old rule | 17:21 |
| khertan | thx | 17:21 |
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| khertan | whao ... 7 Days for ovi store validation | 17:34 |
| khertan | the website for submitting content have an old style and look strange | 17:35 |
| khertan | remember me the day at palmgears in 90's year | 17:35 |
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| khertan | frals: maybe you can help me with qtcreator | 17:45 |
| khertan | i really didn't understand why it s sucks so much | 17:45 |
| khertan | debian/rules:21: *** commands commence before first target. Stop. | 17:45 |
| khertan | there is nothing on line 21 | 17:45 |
| khertan | not even a space | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | what's on line 20? | 17:49 |
| khertan | nothing more | 17:50 |
| khertan | :) | 17:50 |
| khertan | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/apps.formeego.org << apps formeego down ? | 17:50 |
| khertan | mgedmin: http://pastebin.com/cn0Ex7rB | 17:51 |
| khertan | and the error log ... which have some part in french ... : http://pastebin.com/45SSxAz5 | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | I see a single space on line 21 | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | pastebin added it, I suppose | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | since I see (can select in my browser) a single space on every other blank line as well | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | hmm... do a hex dump, look for CR characters? | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | 0x0d | 17:53 |
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| khertan | crlf .... | 17:54 |
| khertan | grrrr | 17:54 |
| khertan | stupid windows | 17:54 |
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| khertan | didn't help much :) | 17:54 |
| merlin1991 | khertan: if you find the time can you check if https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12182 is still valid on current cssu? | 17:57 |
| povbot | Bug 12182: Qt.QTextEdit Shift click selection | 17:57 |
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| khertan | does it s include my patch ? | 17:58 |
| merlin1991 | no, but a lot of other changes on qt since the bugreport, and it at least seems to work without the patch | 17:58 |
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| khertan | merlin1991: hum ... need to found an working n900 ;) | 18:13 |
| * khertan have made some progress : debian/rules:29: *** missing separator. Stop. | 18:13 | |
| khertan | :) | 18:13 |
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| khertan | Ahahah ahahah ahah qtcreator use different debian file | 18:18 |
| khertan | pfff | 18:18 |
| khertan | this whole ide is nice but need more polish | 18:18 |
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| khertan | pffff tomorrow is an other day | 18:38 |
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| khertan | let see if i ll get more chance compiling something of qtcreator on obs | 18:39 |
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| ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/17/hp_hawks_monster_multi_touch_display/ <-- yes please | 19:28 |
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| dafox | hi. Does anyone know where the preenv package went? (apt-get install preenv --> E: Couldn't find package preenv) | 21:12 |
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| dafox | mm seems that FAM and apt-get don't share the same repositories/settings? Still doesn't explain why it doesn't show up in FAM ... | 21:25 |
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| Guest25459 | does anyone have any idea why preenv wouldn't show up in faster-application-manager? | 22:35 |
| merlin1991 | #maemo knows that fapman comes from deeper layers of hell, so probably no help on that one here | 22:36 |
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| Guest25459 | merlin1991: aha... ok, sorry I didn't know. What is the recommended package manger here? | 22:41 |
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| merlin1991 | well hildon-application-manager | 22:41 |
| Guest25459 | ugh | 22:41 |
| merlin1991 | thought it's slow it's safe | 22:41 |
| merlin1991 | and if you know what you do you can always use apt-get in the commandline | 22:42 |
| Guest25459 | but I thought both were just wrappers around apt-get? | 22:42 |
| merlin1991 | well fapman is an inferior wrapper around apt-get | 22:42 |
| merlin1991 | first of it doesn't honor certain package flags | 22:42 |
| Guest25459 | (also, could you give me a bit more information why fapman is so horrid?) | 22:42 |
| merlin1991 | (especially the ones for system upgrades) | 22:43 |
| merlin1991 | and secondly it call autoremove | 22:43 |
| merlin1991 | which sadly is broken on maemo and tends to remove packages at random that are actually still needed | 22:43 |
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| Guest25459 | that last point sounds pretty bad. Can it break my system? | 22:44 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 22:44 |
| Guest25459 | :o | 22:44 |
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| merlin1991 | first thing that usually goes down is sip calls and the email desktop widget | 22:44 |
| merlin1991 | after that other things get removed each time | 22:45 |
| Guest25459 | ok, so basically my options are the default gui or cmdline? or is there anything else like fapman? | 22:45 |
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| merlin1991 | default gui or cmdline is it (sadly) | 22:45 |
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| Guest25459 | ugh... I'm sorry to say but the default gui plain sucks. This is the reason I installed fapman :( | 22:46 |
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| merlin1991 | well I agree with you on that one, but there is no alternative (for system upgrades like cssu) everything else I just do over cmdline | 22:46 |
| Guest25459 | yes, I can use the commandline to install something (and I don't really mind), but when searching for a particular application a gui is much nicer | 22:49 |
| Guest25459 | aka "I want a todo list" | 22:49 |
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| Guest25459 | then searching via apt is not very convenient | 22:50 |
| merlin1991 | apt-cache search lists pretty much the same as ham did : | 22:50 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 22:50 |
| Guest25459 | I haven't tried apt-cache search on n900, but if it's anything like desktop linux apt-cache, then no, I don't agree | 22:51 |
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| Guest25459 | apt-cache search results often contain a lot of stuff that are not related to the original query | 22:52 |
| Guest25459 | but we digress | 22:52 |
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| Guest25459 | strange... HAM fails to update some catalogs | 22:54 |
| merlin1991 | can be loads of things | 22:54 |
| merlin1991 | sometimes ham just doesn't like you | 22:54 |
| merlin1991 | or you have no proper internet connection | 22:54 |
| Guest25459 | internet seems to work | 22:55 |
| merlin1991 | or the webservers that host those catalogs are down for some reason | 22:55 |
| Guest25459 | cssu testing for example gives me 302 | 22:55 |
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| Guest25459 | others say network unreachable (ovi, nokia system update) | 22:56 |
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| Guest25459 | and seemingly preenv is also not shown in HAM ... | 23:11 |
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| Guest25459 | merlin1991: I have to go now. I guess I'll have to use the commandline anyway. Thank you for the information and warning :) | 23:12 |
| Guest25459 | bye! | 23:12 |
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| Snii | Hi, I have an n900 that I would like to just run as a separate always on server or similiar at home. I was thinking of having it boot to the terminal only to have some more resources free.. 1. Is it worth it to not run the "desktop". 2. Is it possible/hard? | 23:44 |
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| MohammadAG | worth it? not sure | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | possible, yeah | 23:48 |
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| Snii | MohammadAG: The optimal thing would be to have it as a "dumb" box connected to my Wifi network, only running a few scripts now and then, presumably not using much power doing so, | 23:50 |
| Snii | But I'm not quite sure where to start.. | 23:51 |
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