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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  lets say that Maemo is going to start process of moving repositories to open source git servers tommorow01:23
Estel_is Your idea about donating server for that purpose (for few months) actual?01:24
Estel_I think it would be more than enough time, to properly fundraise money01:24
luke-jrMaemo is dead.01:29
burroyawn01:29
burroluke-jr: link me the gentoo "howto n900" page already01:30
luke-jrburro: don't have one.01:30
burroso, is there a portage binary for armel i can grab01:30
luke-jrburro: yes01:30
burroi prefer Paludis over Portage, btw01:30
burroback when i had fast CPUs01:30
luke-jrlast I checked, Paludis didn't work on non-x8601:30
luke-jrhttp://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3-armv7a_hardfp/ <-- stage301:30
burrok01:30
burroi tried Ekiga, and Ekiga-lite01:31
luke-jrhttp://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/packages/hardfp/gcc45/ <-- binpkgs01:31
burroboth had all sorts of idiotic SIP related errors. yet Maemo's SIP works perfect in comparison01:31
luke-jrhttp://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/kernels/ <-- various kernels01:31
burroi kind of appreciate all the polish that went into Maemo01:31
burroafter futzing around with e17/debian for a bit01:31
luke-jrbe sure to add the n900 overlay too01:32
burrowheres the IRC channel, so i dont have to clog this one with off topic01:32
burrowas it #gentoo-embedded or something01:32
luke-jrit's not usually considered off topic here, but #gentoo-embedded is fine too01:32
burrowell, as far as Maemo apps01:32
burrois all the GTK customizations in maemo open source01:32
burroid like to reuse some of the apps, if possible01:33
Wizzupburro: pretty sure they have to be01:33
luke-jrburro: no idea, I don't use GTK apps01:33
burromost non-browser apps i use are GTK, maemo or other OS01:33
burroso i like Maemo's choice of GTK over Tizen's EFL..01:34
burroevne if enlightenment is "cool"01:34
burroits still not clear if end-developers/users will be able to build EFL or X apps on Tizen anyways01:34
burrothe API seems to be "use HTML5, with soem WAC standard"01:34
burroso WebOS all over again01:34
burroand JAvascript is pretty damn slow on ARM so not sure what theyre smoking01:35
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burroWizzup: its more the interconnected nature of everything, by the time DBus is interacting with the apps the right way, youve recreated most of maemo01:36
ShadowJKit's pretty damn slow everywhere?01:36
burroand some of the lower DBus / telephony layers are definitely not open source, so who knows how much of the apps or services you would have to rewrite01:37
burrojust to get a few lousy apps that proably have alternatives01:38
burroShadowJK: the latest revisions of twiwtter/google are slow even on my Atom at 2x2ghz01:39
burroso presumably a phone with less horsepower is not going to be too pleasant01:40
burrounless using some "App" version which is either stripped down, or written in Obj-C01:40
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luke-jrburro: I do have telephony basically working01:40
burrointeresting01:40
burroOfno i guess01:41
luke-jryes01:41
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burroand GTK/Matchbox for uI, Illume+E17 or what?01:42
burrosomeone said XFCE isnt too bad, im kinda skeptical though01:42
luke-jrI use KDE 4.701:44
burrohah01:46
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Estel_well, it seems that just like with motorcars, linux also must have some tune-fanatic, wheel smoking fanboys, in form of gentoo *yawn*01:48
luke-jrEstel_: just because you're clueless doesn't make everyone else a fanboy01:48
Estel_I apreciatte every effort of running Debian/arch/whatever on Maemo01:49
Estel_but first of all, it isn't opposite to putting maemo repos into open source git server01:49
burroso.. KDE libs, QT libs.. tons of daemons just so i can launch/switch apps?01:49
Estel_so, no need to troll around this concept (directed at luke-jr )01:49
luke-jrburro: hey, it's lighter than Maemo ;)01:49
burroive seen hype about "Plasma Active" or whatever01:49
burrotrue01:49
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burrosomeone hacked dwm to support n90001:50
Estel_and, personally, I would belive in any 100% usable arch/gentoo/*whatever on N900 only when I see it01:50
Estel_Plasma is damn slow due to inability of accelerating, while plasma literally begs for it or works like a mule01:51
Estel_anyone saying binary blobs afren't problem is either incompetient or liar01:51
Estel_...unless hes coding genius that hacked everything, which I doubt in case of luke-jr01:51
Estel_Of course everyone is free to waste time on whatever concept she/he want, so eot from my side, I promise ;)01:52
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burrowhy im stickin with Maemo02:38
burrosick of wasting my time tweakin crap out02:38
burrosure its a bit bloated. sure its a bit of an old snapshot of debian with a few proprietary bits02:38
burrobut Android? iOS? Are you serious02:38
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merlin1991burro: "meego" harmattan ;)02:42
merlin1991aegis ftw02:42
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Sazpaimon_Im giving my girlfriend my N900 (have an N9 now)06:51
Sazpaimon_i just reflashed everything back to PR1.3 and a fresh EMMC06:51
Sazpaimon_which repositories should I enable for her, she's an intermediate user06:51
wmaroneExtras06:51
Sazpaimon_not testing?06:52
wmaroneeh, if she can enable it then yes06:52
Sazpaimon_i dont know if it'd be of any use for her...06:52
Sazpaimon_i almost always enable testing and devel06:52
wmaronethere's some interesting stuff in testing and devel, but stability and usability isn't guaranteed06:52
Sazpaimon_but I don't want her to have to figure out fapman, which is kind of annoying sometimes06:52
Sazpaimon_and with testing and/or devel enabled, the default application manager is useless06:53
Sazpaimon_takes forever for apt-worker.real to finish06:53
Sazpaimon_not sure if that's because of testing or devel06:53
Sazpaimon_one of those two at least06:54
Sazpaimon_god I cant get used to maemo 5 anymore06:55
Sazpaimon_its just not as smooth as harmattan :(06:56
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Sazpaimon_an update showed up immediately on a fresh reflash+emmc, good to see CSSU is nicely integrated now07:02
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Sazpaimon_...or wait, maybe that was the incremental update nokia to revert that certificate :/07:04
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Sazpaimon_oh looks like power kernel is only extras-devel07:16
Sazpaimon_unless I want the ancient power42 version07:16
Sazpaimon_will a more recent power kernel ever be promoted?07:17
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Sazpaimon_looks like kernel-power-debug power49 is in extras-testing but not kernel-power07:20
Sazpaimon_I guess I can manually upload kernel-power and flasher without enabling extras-devel07:22
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xevmy battery almost empty and i cant charge with usb..and i didnt bring my charger... zzz07:53
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Sazpaimon_damn, is there a way to manually install this deb *without* having to install root?07:58
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Sazpaimon_I get an "incompatible application package" when i load it up with the application manager07:59
Sazpaimon_thought it might be a missing section in the debian/control but nope, its there07:59
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Sazpaimon_alright, so now i only have extras enabled, stable CSSU, power kernel 4908:29
Sazpaimon_made sure gainroot doesnt work now08:29
Sazpaimon_I think i can safely give this phone away now08:29
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xevSazpaimon_, n9 is better than n900?08:51
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Sazpaimon_xev, I wouldn't say its better or worse09:06
Sazpaimon_its like comparing apples to oranges09:06
dangergrrli would like an n909:06
dangergrrlit has ram09:07
dangergrrlbtw i am tunning for POTYUS09:07
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dangergrrlPOTUS09:07
dangergrrlaffiliated with the linux party09:08
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Sazpaimon_so I give the N900 to my girlfriend after all that special preparation09:08
Sazpaimon_and all she's using it for is sketch09:09
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xevSazpaimon_, how about battery usage? its better than n900? because i would like to have n910:23
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jacekowskiN9 has evil DRM10:43
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edheldildangergrrl:  POTUS == President of the United States? :-D10:57
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dangergrrlyes11:00
dangergrrli am running11:00
dangergrrlfree software for all11:00
vi____ShadowJK: You wrote the bq2700 i2c info dump script right?11:02
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freddddRobot101, any status updates on the SSL update?11:54
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zapHey, anyone knows why my N900 sees some strange "HPB110a.FFBBDF" point-to-point wifi station, I can even connect it? I see it everywhere - at home, in metro... The internets says this is specific to the HP PhotoSmart printer... wtf?!13:04
SpeedEvilAd-hoc networks can never be reliably determined that tehy are not there13:05
SpeedEvilthere is no beacon13:05
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zapso that's just because I have seen it somewhere initially and connected it, then it will be in the list forever, unless I remove it?13:07
jacekowskiyes13:07
zapmakes sense. Removed it, disappeared. Thanks.13:08
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ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/11/apple_extortion/14:43
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ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/11/nokia_us_comeback/14:46
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timelessTimestamp: 1/11/2012 10:55:17 AM18:03
timelessWarning: Expected identifier for pseudo-class or pseudo-element but found '['.  Ruleset ignored due to bad selector.18:03
timelessSource File: chrome://browser/skin/devtools/common.css18:03
timelessLine: 7718:03
timeless.devtools-toolbarbutton:[checked]:hover:active {18:03
timelessis there a bug for that?18:03
timelessoops, wrong window18:04
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RST38hOMG, can I PLEASE replace WP7 on this Lumia with something else? Anything.18:29
RST38hIt feels like a dumb phone, except that it is kinda hard to call from it18:30
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RST38hPurrfect, can't even play an .avi18:32
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timelessheh18:39
timelessthe wp7 phone i used had one of the best dialer pads i've ever seen on a touch screen18:39
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RST38hahhhahaha18:49
RST38hIt offered me to convert an .avi18:49
RST38hSpent 30 minutes converting, the result looks like 320x240 resolution18:49
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  ping19:13
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Estel_see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1148886&postcount=66819:14
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Estel_Is the proposition of sponsoring server for few months still actual?19:19
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plateRST38h: how close is the hw to n9. can you flash hamattan19:30
RST38hplate: different hardware19:32
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platestill, buying a WP7 phone then whining in here is like chopping off tour legs and whining your're 2 feet shorter19:44
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platewin8+wp7 has a pretty UI imo, but if you thought ANdroid was bad with its lack of libc, fudegadabout it19:46
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keriois there an X server for android?19:47
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platehttp://i.nokia.com/image/view/-/262208/highRes/1/-/nokia-800-fbtab.png20:01
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plateddg turns up http://androix.org/ and http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/libraries_and_demo/xvncxx11-server-w-vnc-backnd_bwboy.html20:03
platebetween that and a debian chroot, maybe android isnt too bad20:03
wmaroneah, android. reinveting the wheel to no great end for 4 years.20:04
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plateend users want FAcebook, not flexibility or freedom21:25
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platemost developers are happily chasing after $3 app buyers on iOS/Android anyways21:37
Estel_nice, but WTF are You reffering to, plate?21:37
platethe current craptitude21:38
platewhy cant i upgrade my aging, slow, memory-devoid N900 with something that runs ARch/Gentoo/Debian and has multitouch and 1g of ram21:38
platei have to accept all sorts of BS toughyl-coupled with it like an OS and Carrier i dont want21:38
platemy answer is that consumers are willing to buy whatever is put infront of their face21:39
platebecause utimately the market does whatever it can bear getting away with21:39
lofty306as long as it looks pretty with bells and whstlis they'll buy a dirty pair of underware21:40
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lofty306and we ge tossed in thepile with the betamax again21:42
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Estel_plate, but we know it already ;P)21:43
Estel_dont need to write about that:P21:43
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Estel_go to iPhone channel and educate them21:43
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lofty306lmao21:43
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gh0striderhello everyone, i am looking to be able to put the debian operating system on a phone and unfortunately i am on contract with sprint so does anyone here have a phone that i can add linux to that will work with the sprint network...any suggestions would be great, thank you...22:46
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gh0striderfrom the research that i have been doing a few years ago people seem to have lots of luck with the nokia n900 adding debian linux to that phone but that phone will not work with sprint so does anyone have any suggestions about which phone that will work with the sprint network could have linux added to it?22:48
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keriolol mobile phones in the US22:48
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plateghostcube: ask Sprint?23:25
plate"which CdMA phones of yours support Debian"23:26
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plateN9 looks pretty good, but its $600 NIB on amazon. $200 for a NIB n900 on ebay23:30
plateand i doubt it works w/ Sprint23:30
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wmaronenothing works with sprint unless sprint sells it23:30
wmarone(go go CDMA)23:30
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