| NIN101 | unless you start encrypting from day 1. | 00:00 |
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| user__ | but wouldnt that bring me into hell? | 00:01 |
| user__ | simply because of the need to flash :D | 00:01 |
| HyperSnyper | do any smartphones have full encryption ? | 00:02 |
| user__ | yes, cryptophones :) | 00:02 |
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| NIN101 | who said you must flash? I simply said that encrypting /home/ and after that reflashing COMBINED is a bit of a pain, nothing more. | 00:03 |
| HyperSnyper | thats not a smartphone ;P | 00:03 |
| user__ | with price-tags that easily top apple stuff, atleast from the perspective of someone living in europe | 00:04 |
| user__ | they got phones and smartphones with fse | 00:04 |
| HyperSnyper | and only ones i can see being sold to "citizens" are dumbphones | 00:05 |
| HyperSnyper | although ive not looked much | 00:05 |
| user__ | just a matter of money | 00:05 |
| user__ | the simple ones go out for 1000€ | 00:06 |
| user__ | up to 15000€ where you get features you might never hears about (me included) | 00:07 |
| user__ | heard* | 00:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Phones today are silly. | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | You can hold a really good amount of one-time-pad in RAM. | 00:08 |
| user__ | just for example on the fly imei change in a period of time that you can choose | 00:08 |
| HyperSnyper | sounds fun | 00:09 |
| user__ | or filtering out ping packets | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Youcannot filter out ping packets, as they are required for you to be logged onto the network | 00:09 |
| HyperSnyper | wouldnt you need to swap the sim alot to make imei changing effective | 00:09 |
| HyperSnyper | ;P | 00:09 |
| user__ | yea imsi change shouldnt be included sadly i guess but who knows | 00:10 |
| user__ | atleast some friend working for such a company told me about the ping packet filtering (however it might be possible or not) | 00:11 |
| user__ | nevertheless then again, its a matter of trust | 00:12 |
| user__ | who garantuee you that there isnt some kind of backdore included | 00:12 |
| user__ | backdoor* | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: how's imei related to SIM? | 00:14 |
| SpeedEvil | You can't be logged into any network withou thte network knowing you're there. | 00:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or that some phone with a given ID is there. | 00:14 |
| HyperSnyper | well im guessinf imei changing would be done to stop tracking of phone | 00:14 |
| HyperSnyper | and thats be pretty useless using same SIm after swap | 00:14 |
| HyperSnyper | ? | 00:14 |
| SpeedEvil | IMEI changing eoesn't help much. | 00:15 |
| SpeedEvil | If you keep calling hte same people | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | changing IMEI is BS | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | completely useless | 00:15 |
| frals | changing IMSI would make more sense i assume | 00:15 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not useless, combined with a sim-swap | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's the IMSI that counts | 00:15 |
| user__ | nah depends on the rest | 00:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I would be surprised if the networks can't track on both, if they so desire. | 00:15 |
| frals | but you would probably want to change imei when you switch imsi | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure network can track IMEI, after all you can blacklist IMEIs | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | but the actual login is linked to the IMSI, not to the IMEI | 00:16 |
| user__ | person x and person y both swap regulary sims and change imei's how to track them down? | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: yep, probably | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | user__: because they call person i,j,k | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | user__: From locations p,q,r | 00:17 |
| user__ | after every call for very very very. iam saying VERYmparanoid peope | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | user__: Correlate location with numbers called, and IMEI/IMSI is a red-herring. | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody (except SpeedEvil and me ;-D) seems to notice how unique a certain set of called nimbers is | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | You don't need it to identify the user. | 00:18 |
| SpeedEvil | And that's before you get into shizzle like voiceprints | 00:18 |
| user__ | if that isnt encrypted by defaulr on a cryptophone :p | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can even associate prepaid calling cards for phone booth to a certain user, simply by serial# of the card and the 20..50 cals done on that card serial# | 00:19 |
| HyperSnyper | is location/dialer/reciever logged by default on most networks ? | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | The safest way is probably VOIP, over a codec which _DOES_NOT_ compress voice, over a VPN. | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | And even that has issues of traffic analysis which you need to defeat. | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | cryptophones can just provide ONE thing: secure *communication* that can't get eavesdropped except for identity of both ends, and time, duration, obviously | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: you bet it is logged on every network | 00:21 |
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| HyperSnyper | just cell tower for location ? | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - not quite | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaaaww, infobot | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's up with her again? | 00:21 |
| user__ | what you mean by serial of card? | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, you could defeat traffic analysis totally by simply streaming 8k/s all the time. | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | It's 'only' 500M/day | 00:22 |
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| HyperSnyper | do they use some kinda timing to work out distance from tower aswell ? | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | user__: each prepaid smartcard has a serial number | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | HyperSnyper: yes. | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: yes, usually just cell tower, or even LAC | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which can be as many as dozens of BTS | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~welcome | 00:23 |
| HyperSnyper | interesting to know | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~welcome | 00:24 |
| infobot | thx | 00:24 |
| HyperSnyper | is the n900 modem if that even the right area, to locked down, to try any spoofing of tming attacks, or triangluation ? | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | please rephrase - doesn't parse | 00:25 |
| user__ | yes but how would you track down people using used sim-cards from different providers registered by different people as they are used, and with imei change after every encrypted calls or maybe encrypted messages? | 00:25 |
| HyperSnyper | i remember reading up awhile ago about different methods used ot track | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | user__: simple: I wouldn't | 00:26 |
| HyperSnyper | one was to measuring timings between phone/mast | 00:26 |
| HyperSnyper | and another was between multiple masts | 00:26 |
| HyperSnyper | is it possible to manupliate any of that on the n900 | 00:26 |
| user__ | sure they can tell you call x came from location z | 00:26 |
| HyperSnyper | or too restricted by modem | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, I wrote a small post about it some years ago | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | user__: User A logs off. Assume they are walking - User B logs on. If A is within walking distance of B, A may be B | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Has A and B ever been on at the same time before? | 00:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | If not, then they are probably not the same person, ... | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: BB5 N900 modem firmware is not allowing to mess with any of that | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Lots of heuristics like this. | 00:27 |
| HyperSnyper | guessed so | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | for us mere mortals | 00:27 |
| user__ | hmm thats cool in fact :) | 00:27 |
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| HyperSnyper | this keep sme safer | 00:28 |
| user__ | :d | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html | 00:28 |
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| HyperSnyper | heh. guess i must of asked similar question before | 00:29 |
| HyperSnyper | already had that page saved | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | that article is form mobile equipment POV, of course carrier can do same, plus some more | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | see | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~gam-agps | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~gsm-agps | 00:29 |
| infobot | rrlp is probably the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP | 00:29 |
| user__ | hmm on the other hand, who the hell would be that paranoid :) | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | IF I were to initiate a call that can't get traced to me, I'd use a UMTS phone to get inetrnet from a very remote BTS (with several closer BTS), by using a directional antenna and a lock on modem to that specific CellID, then do a VoIP call to a prepaid call-through service in China or Russia | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | use a fresch phone for that, and also a fresh SIM, and discard both after the call | 00:33 |
| HyperSnyper | lots of prepaid phones and sims + google voice used as a kinda phone number dyndns could be usefull for paranoid reciveing | 00:33 |
| user__ | yea thought already of smth like that :) | 00:33 |
| user__ | like tor for mobile communication, just witha lot more nodes in between :) | 00:35 |
| HyperSnyper | oO | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, if any exchange can ring you, a service like CIA or NSA or whatever can also spot your location. There's no way to stop that. And your identity is absolutely clear from beginning if somebody can reach you inbound | 00:35 |
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| user__ | or just keep it simple and put a tinfoil hat on :) | 00:36 |
| user__ | a lot easier and a lot saver :D | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | even if you use a VoIP PBX in China, they can correlate the establishing and teardown point in time and bandwidth used for both inbound and outbound connections to China from the country you're in | 00:37 |
| user__ | yep. | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a reason VoIP doesn't work over Thor/Onion, which is considered safe to cloak your identity | 00:38 |
| user__ | ironically speaking :PÄ | 00:39 |
| HyperSnyper | can't skype be forced through TOR ? | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tor(?) has way too high latencies - intentionally | 00:41 |
| HyperSnyper | true true | 00:41 |
| user__ | skype works through tor | 00:41 |
| HyperSnyper | voice ? | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | to defeat correlating of inbound and outbound connection setup | 00:42 |
| user__ | yep, read about it | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, Tor will kick your ass I'd guess, they will HATE you for even trying to run skype over their server network | 00:42 |
| HyperSnyper | Tor scares me | 00:43 |
| user__ | it works, that was the question he asked :) | 00:43 |
| HyperSnyper | imo all exits nodes are just people wanting to sniff | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't see how it would work | 00:43 |
| user__ | well then use end-to-end encryption | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it could create something resembling communication to Mars: reply arrives 30 min later ;-P | 00:44 |
| HyperSnyper | yeh i didn't think about timing and b/w needed for voice | 00:44 |
| HyperSnyper | can't imagine it being very "functional" | 00:44 |
| user__ | nah smth more like a minute | 00:45 |
| user__ | maybe a bit less | 00:45 |
| user__ | but problematic if you for some reason lose packets on its way | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 00:46 |
| user__ | then again, why for gods sake would you want to use skype :0 | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui on Tor each node introduces a random delay on each connection, so you can't correlate | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably even on each packet a new one | 00:47 |
| user__ | Doc you might want to give us an insight view on skype and tor :D | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | skype: crap, don't use! -- Tor: used for the wrong purposes all the time, as it doesn't make communication secure, just cloaks one end identity from the other end | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | all you need to know | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe one more thing: >50% of Tor users are CIA agents abroad | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | (last one is an unconfirmed hearsay) | 00:51 |
| user__ | but a possible one :) | 00:52 |
| user__ | ill stick to this | 00:52 |
| user__ | http://is.gd/6HGgd8 | 00:52 |
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| HyperSnyper | tinfoil hat tells me not to | 00:54 |
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| user__ | why its the ultimative sollution :D | 00:54 |
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| user__ | gn8 all :) | 01:01 |
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| XDS200010 | How do i do a byte for byte backup of the current state on the n900, i want to do a backup before i attempt multiboot | 02:27 |
| XDS200010 | In other words create a bin file i can use flasher3.5 with | 02:27 |
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| XDS200010 | And I lost my last system state unfortunately , is there a backup somewhere by any chance ? | 02:28 |
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| NIN101 | XDS200010: backupmenu should be interesting for you. | 02:30 |
| XDS200010 | Been looking at that, its still in its infancy | 02:31 |
| XDS200010 | Can flasher be used to create a backup? | 02:31 |
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| NIN101 | no | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | wut? backupmenu in its infancy? NAH | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no way to do a true disk image - backupmenu is as close as it gets | 02:33 |
| XDS200010 | DocScrutinizer: Why? | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | it backups a full logical image of / and /home, and you can restore those files, after you flashed to a clean fresh system with only backupmenu installed | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | why what? | 02:34 |
| XDS200010 | DocScrutinizer: It doesn't backup the kernel however. | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly, and that'S something no tool will probably be able to do | 02:34 |
| XDS200010 | Why is there no way to do a true disk image ? | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | because that's NAND, and NAND has bad block management integrated into filesystem | 02:35 |
| XDS200010 | How are custom roms made then ? | 02:35 |
| XDS200010 | Such as Pwn etc etc. | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's a custom rom? | 02:35 |
| XDS200010 | DocScrutinizer: What is your primary language of origin ? | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | how is that relevant here? | 02:37 |
| XDS200010 | I'd like to know who im talking to ? | 02:37 |
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| XDS200010 | There are many people on the internet who speak other languages other than english thats why i ask. | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, incl dialects like COBOL I speak ~35 languages | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | still missing the link | 02:40 |
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| XDS200010 | DocScrutinizer: That's why I asked what the primary one is. | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, you *could* look into mtd_debug and do full binary images, using backupmenu's concole | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | the primary and only language on this channel is English | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | (mtd_debug) or nanddump and nandwrite | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually sugested we could include that into backupmenu, as a way to create kernel backups | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | but for now there's no tool (yet) that could do a binary "disk"-image directly | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | since for running any tool on N900 you always need a working system first, and flashing a working system always includes flashing the embedded kernel (unless you explicitly exclude it), the use of creating kernel image backups is somewhat questionable | 02:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | creating a fiasco image to flash that via flasher is basically also feasible, but nobody bothered yet to create such a obviously best PC based tool | 02:50 |
| NIN101 | DocScrutinizer: flasher -l | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: ?? | 02:50 |
| NIN101 | loads a kernel, which then can load initrd, or use a partition on the microsd as /, so eh... | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, sure | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: so maybe you want to answer >>[2011-12-29 01:34:46] <XDS200010> Why is there no way to do a true disk image ? << | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | simple answer: because nobody created a tool for that yet? | 02:53 |
| NIN101 | well yes. nevermind. | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously >>[2011-12-29 01:34:43] <DocScrutinizer> exactly, and that'S something no tool will probably be able to do << was nonsense and you may not mind it | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | should have been "no tool currently is able to do" | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even "no *single* tool" | 02:56 |
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| NIN101 | some though I have had for a while: putting backupmenu on some non-sucking initrd so you could restore a rootfs backup without reflashing first. But... I'm lazy. | 03:00 |
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| XDS200010 | A simple .BAT --> LNK could execute a one click image swap. Is the flasher source code available ? | 03:04 |
| XDS200010 | I looked around in the SDK reps but didn't find anything for the host end of it | 03:06 |
| XDS200010 | Actually it looks as if its the only tool that isn't open. That's kinda dumb. | 03:07 |
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| LaoLang_cool | hello | 03:09 |
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| XDS200010 | Hi LaoLang_cool | 03:10 |
| LaoLang_cool | does app-manager have cache dir? I want to find a app's package | 03:10 |
| LaoLang_cool | XDS200010: hi, morning here :) | 03:10 |
| XDS200010 | Evening here :) | 03:10 |
| LaoLang_cool | cool | 03:10 |
| XDS200010 | So the flasher tool is the only thing in the entire maemo world that isn't open | 03:11 |
| XDS200010 | Wow, what luck i freakin have | 03:11 |
| NIN101 | not true at all. there is much more not open... | 03:11 |
| XDS200010 | NIN101: Besides the radio and cpu firmware i don't see much else that isn't open | 03:12 |
| NIN101 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages | 03:12 |
| LaoLang_cool | hello | 03:13 |
| LaoLang_cool | need for help :) | 03:13 |
| NIN101 | /var/cache/apt | 03:14 |
| XDS200010 | NIN101: With all possible respect, whats your point ? Those are very stagnant | 03:14 |
| NIN101 | whatever. | 03:14 |
| XDS200010 | Many of those packages there are also 3rd party | 03:15 |
| XDS200010 | eg: Adobe,amazon hil | 03:15 |
| XDS200010 | setra setra setra setra | 03:16 |
| NIN101 | bla bla bla. | 03:16 |
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| XDS200010 | NIN101: I'm trying to have a serious conversation here. I'm totally sick of having to re-install the power kernel/sets everytime i have to reset | 03:17 |
| XDS200010 | It gets old after the 10th time in the same day | 03:17 |
| XDS200010 | Not to mention dangerous if you fck somethin up | 03:18 |
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| XDS200010 | I think what we need is a simple snapshot tool that can be used on the fly without mounting. | 03:20 |
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| LaoLang_cool | NIN101: I can't find the app i've just installed via app-manager in that dir/archives :( | 03:27 |
| LaoLang_cool | I think that dir is for apps installed via apt-get | 03:27 |
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| NIN101 | LaoLang_cool: hmm..., may be it has been cleaned up already. I am not aware of any other cache directories. | 03:32 |
| LaoLang_cool | NIN101: ok | 03:33 |
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| NIN101 | good night | 03:40 |
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| XDS200010 | I think the bulk of my issues lay with conflicts between scripts setup with the power kernel and scripts that are used for the wI bleeding edge drivers | 03:51 |
| XDS200010 | However I want to be able to use features from both but without a easy way to switch between rom images things like this become incredibly tedious | 03:55 |
| bindi | anyone here know Qt/PySide and experienced with QTreeWidgets and feeling extremely helpful? :D | 03:56 |
| XDS200010 | bindi: sup | 03:56 |
| bindi | making my own irc client in python, barely know Qt | 03:56 |
| bindi | been going over docs and google for QTreeWidgets | 03:57 |
| XDS200010 | What ver Qt ? | 03:57 |
| bindi | 4 | 03:57 |
| XDS200010 | 4m,.\ | 03:57 |
| XDS200010 | grrr | 03:57 |
| XDS200010 | 4.7 ? | 03:57 |
| bindi | eh I think it's 4.8 | 03:57 |
| bindi | how do I do something as simple as adding a server, 2 channels under that, and then another server, and 2 channels under that | 03:58 |
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| HyperSnyper | if it was simple woudn't there already by a qt irc client ? | 03:59 |
| HyperSnyper | :P | 03:59 |
| bindi | only the gui is qt :< | 04:00 |
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| XDS200010 | HyperSnyper: That sword cuts both ways | 04:07 |
| XDS200010 | bindi: Are you just making the frontend ? | 04:08 |
| bindi | no, both :p | 04:08 |
| bindi | i'm good with the irc stuff | 04:08 |
| bindi | almsot done | 04:09 |
| bindi | almost* even | 04:09 |
| XDS200010 | wellvxcz | 04:09 |
| XDS200010 | vxcz | 04:09 |
| bindi | wut? :P | 04:09 |
| XDS200010 | well you gotta walk before you can run | 04:09 |
| bindi | right | 04:10 |
| bindi | i tried self.list.append(QTreeWidgetItem(None, 'jee')) and then self.chanlist.addTopLevelItems(self.list) | 04:10 |
| bindi | it just puts 'j' there | 04:10 |
| XDS200010 | any reason radio wont start? | 04:11 |
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| XDS200010 | }" | 04:12 |
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| XDS200010 | .the radio app keeps closing when i try to launch it any ideas on what might be wrong ? | 04:29 |
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| XDS200010 | ok so conky on its own wont mess with FM Player but conky with the theme switcher will | 06:21 |
| XDS200010 | good to know | 06:21 |
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| RavenII | Holy moly!...there's still people in here!? | 06:50 |
| beford | :3 | 06:50 |
| RavenII | ...did you just call me a troll...hahaha | 06:51 |
| RavenII | nice. | 06:51 |
| RavenII | Not trolling, I'm actually happy that people are still here, i haven't been here since..........shit 07? | 06:51 |
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| beford | heh, well I still use the n900 as my main phone. | 06:55 |
| RavenII | Nice, I wish I had GSM... | 06:56 |
| RavenII | I'm actually thinking of picking up a N810 Wimax and see if I could clone it to my Evo's Wimax certs... | 06:57 |
| RavenII | THAT would be awesome... | 06:57 |
| XDS200010 | Can you guys help with this one | 06:57 |
| XDS200010 | I'm following http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=77695 , however i can't remove gstreamer | 06:57 |
| XDS200010 | apt-get is saying osso-wlan depends on it | 06:58 |
| XDS200010 | actually i can't make out what the hell its saying | 06:58 |
| RavenII | I still love the 770. | 06:59 |
| XDS200010 | any thoughts would be helpful im stumped. I need dsp codecs and osso to live in the same setup | 07:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this chan seems to turn into tmo once again | 07:02 |
| XDS200010 | over 300 people in here, are like half of you all clones or bots lol | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | are you a troll? | 07:03 |
| XDS200010 | Im sorry I don't understand you. | 07:03 |
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| XDS200010 | this is the oddest and most cryptic error message ive ever seen by apt | 07:10 |
| XDS200010 | 0. upgraded 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded | 07:11 |
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| XDS200010 | I tried to install the released dsp codecs on top of the power kernel and every time i get a boot loop. I'll keep trying i guess. | 07:25 |
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| ij8 | Hi, could someone give me a link where I can read about volume control on maemo with hardware keys | 14:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, he's gone anyway | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | drive-by askers >:-( | 16:22 |
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| zsw | NIN101: Using run-standalone.sh, the dbus-send command you pointed me to works from the cli. | 17:00 |
| zsw | Is there a nice way to add an icon for that command to the desktop? | 17:00 |
| guly | /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/hildon | 17:03 |
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| zsw | guly: Is there a doc for tying it all together? | 17:05 |
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| NIN101 | zsw: take a look at the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon and then create your own for your command. And then you can add it to desktop as usual. | 17:22 |
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| zsw | NIN101: yes. Thank you again. | 17:29 |
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| dafox | hi. I recently became the proud owner of an n900. I've only just started to set it up, but it seems something went wrong. I just rebooted my phone and now there seems to be some problems with the screen repainting. Is there any way this can be related to the drop-bear package? The problems started when I installed drop-bear, and now that I've uninstalled it (and rebooted) the phone seems fine again. To me it would seem strange that an ssh package | 18:02 |
| dafox | could cause issues with screen repaint... | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Seems unlikely | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | What sort of issues? | 18:02 |
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| dafox | the phone seemed really sluggish and unresponsive, and sometimes only parts of the screen repaint | 18:03 |
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| dafox | rebooting didn't fix it (tried a few times), but the first reboot after uninstalling dropbear everything is now back to normal | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that *might* be related | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest openssh | 18:04 |
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| dafox | my choice for dropbear was based on it being considered small/lean&mean, so if possible I'd try that one. You mentioned that it might be related, can yoiu please explain how? | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing special, maybe dropbear hugs CPU | 18:06 |
| dafox | top didn't show anything special though | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway dropbear is known to miss some nice features that openssh has, and actually size of the package isn't that much of an issue on N900, at least that sort of size | 18:07 |
| dafox | DocScrutinizer: ok, I'll try openssh. I didn't mean installation size but rather memory requirements :) | 18:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if xinetd is of any use on N900 | 18:10 | |
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| dafox | this is very strange indeed, dropbear doesn't even seem to be running | 18:36 |
| HyperSnyper | anyone looked into the new WPA/2 WPS brute forcing ? | 18:37 |
| HyperSnyper | could be a nice addition ;P | 18:37 |
| HyperSnyper | http://www.tacnetsol.com/products/ | 18:38 |
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| badcloud_ | I'm going slightly mad trying to add files/dirs to mp3blaster | 18:48 |
| badcloud_ | <Enter> seems to print 'W' | 18:48 |
| ShadowJK | does ctrl-j or ctrl-m work better? | 18:49 |
| badcloud_ | ShadowJK: sec, trying | 18:49 |
| badcloud_ | ctrl-m worked :) | 18:50 |
| badcloud_ | thankss | 18:50 |
| badcloud_ | :)) | 18:50 |
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| dafox | ok, tried dropbear again, same issue. I can't see why, cpu usage seems normal and the package doesn't seem to install any strange files. The only odd issue is that it also doesn't seem to automatically start at boot. I've now installed openssh which seems to work fine, Setting up keybased login was a bit of a hassle but that works now too. Thanks :) | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yw | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | badcloud ahould get that NK-enter bugfix, or simply switch to CSSU :-) | 19:19 |
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| dafox | DocScrutinizer: was that a response to me? Because I've already installed the cssu :) | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | badcloud | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | to badcloud | 19:44 |
| Shapeshifter | How can I lock my phone to landscape mode when using cssu? I don't want portrait mode anywhere, if possible. | 19:46 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh wait. just realized I habe orientation lock in my status area | 19:46 |
| Shapeshifter | good thing it exists, portrait mode is a nusance. | 19:47 |
| Shapeshifter | s/nu/nui/ | 19:47 |
| infobot | Shapeshifter meant: good thing it exists, portrait mode is a nuisance. | 19:47 |
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| dafox | is it possible to have the option to select which kernel to boot when starting the phone? I'm thinking of installing kernel-power, but I'd like to be able to fall-back to the stock kernel if possible. I've been googling a bit but I mostly see stuff about dual booting meego (which I'm not interested in atm) | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uBoot is what you want, but honestly for powerkernel you won't want it | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | powerkernel is stable enough and feature-complete regarding stock kernel | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd say | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, if you really want a dualboot setup, then uBoot is for you, just you have to set it up for your special needs | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course there's also multiboot, but that's absolutely deprecated, and may and occasionally *will* brick your device, so you might even need to do a full reflash to recover from multiboot doing exactly what the name says ;-D : boot infinite number of times in a loop | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | multiboot works by basically flashing a new kernel and moving around kernel modules, from userland, then rebooting into the wanted kernel (AFAIK). The problem with that concept is that space on rootfs gets sparse when keeping two kernel module sets there, so you need to copy from eMMC, and you need to flash new matching kernel, and there's a rather large window of time where device won'T boot due to kernel/modules mismatch, when you for | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | some reason shutdown during all that copying&flashing process | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | result: deadlock. not boting, so no way to recover from half-installed kernel modules | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | --> reflash, hard, with PC and flasher | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | just on a sidenote: kernel gets flashed to NAND, and that has a limited number of write cycles until it is worn and your device definitely bricked forever | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so multiboot is *deprecated* | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot | 20:16 |
| infobot | maemo-multiboot is probably deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 20:16 |
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| javispedro | N90 did NOT have native VPN client, I am right? | 20:22 |
| javispedro | *N900 | 20:22 |
| javispedro | I mean, stock. | 20:22 |
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| dafox | DocScrutinizer: wow, thanks for the detailed explanation! One additional question: I see that the 'stable' kernel-power version is 42, wheares the latest version is 49. Which one do you recommend for best results? | 20:27 |
| dafox | I'm assuming 49, but I'm a bit weary since it's in extras-devel only? | 20:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :nod: IIRC 49 should be stable again, after 47, 48 had some "minor issues" | 20:28 |
| dafox | Ok, thank you, I'm going to try 49 then :) | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | if any problems arise, you pike pali here in this chan, he'smaintainer of PK ;-D | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | poke* | 20:29 |
| dafox | got it | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not aware of users recently encountering major issues with PK frequently. Usually it should "just work" | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: nope, never heard of native VPN on N900 | 20:33 |
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| NIN101 | hmm, what happened to the guy who tried to move /home/ and MyDocs to microsd? | 20:39 |
| Sicelo | iirc he suceeded | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | he's sitting in front of a laptop, reading your comment, and wondering why he didn't do it yet | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 20:40 |
| Sicelo | huh? | 20:40 |
| NIN101 | ah yeah it's on your todo list :P | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohwell, I just pondered, not tried | 20:41 |
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| Sicelo | wasn't there someone both of u helped? | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, moment. Nah I pondered to move ALL to uSD and basicaly clone fremantle so I could dualboot into two rootfs | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, there's been somebody, quite some time ago | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc what became of him | 20:43 |
| NIN101 | yeah I mean that user, starting with "u" | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | user__ ? ;-P | 20:43 |
| NIN101 | :-) | 20:43 |
| Sicelo | i think he made it. if i remember he tried to write something on t.m.o as well :/ | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | rrright | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chanlog *might* help | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | though missing any decent grep string | 20:44 |
| Sicelo | yeah. i'm just on slooow gprs right now :P | 20:44 |
| * NIN101 starts to track him down. | 20:45 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | given the low number of users starting with u, you could grep for "u* joined" | 20:46 |
| NIN101 | "UberNeo" | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | AAAH | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | right | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but, do I reacall him killing his N900? | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe I'm wrong | 20:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen uberneo | 20:48 |
| infobot | uberneo <2e07f840@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.7.248.64> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 31d 19h 25m 34s ago, saying: 'whenever i start QMLReddit'. | 20:48 |
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| NIN101 | ah yeah his dbus gone crazy. | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as his USB didn't fall out | 20:50 |
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| Sicelo | it wasnt that one. are u sure his nick wasn't f* | 20:51 |
| Sicelo | or had f somewhere in the middle | 20:51 |
| NIN101 | after the mmc<>microsd swap some stock programs stopped to work and dbus consumed lots of CPU | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus scripting turned into a forkbomb when once I "accidentally" placed a plain shell script into the /etc/dbus-scripts.d/ dir | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | rright, there was this user who got a dead eMMC | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | was this uberneo? | 20:53 |
| NIN101 | yes | 20:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so I was right his device was zombie state anyway | 20:54 |
| Sicelo | hmmm :P | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wouldn't blame dbus | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | though it should've worked, I thought | 20:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: right, I recall now we swapped the whole eMMC against uSD, system wide | 20:56 |
| NIN101 | yep. | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | not just moving /home to uSD | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | raher moving uSD phy to eMMC | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | would've been nice if it panned out | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess he gave up and got himself a cryPhone | 20:58 |
| NIN101 | hahaha, likely :-). | 20:59 |
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| NIN101 | interesting to see a guy posting a thread with questions he asked yesterday here on IRC and which have been answered. | 21:10 |
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| gomiam | NIN101: of course. Why would he trust anonymous users on IRC over anonymous users on a web forum? ;) | 21:13 |
| javispedro | NIN101: answered by the same guys on IRC? :D | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | NIN101: his nick? | 21:20 |
| NIN101 | javispedro: now, yes :P. ; DocScrutinizer51: he was "user___" on IRC here and "justanuser" on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1143213 | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | haha | 21:22 |
| Sicelo | lol. i remember him | 21:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's never anything new under the sun | 21:38 |
| Sicelo | this Old Abe desperate for brand new N900 on tmo looks more like a troll than anything else :/ | 21:40 |
| NIN101 | ~tmo | 21:42 |
| infobot | i heard tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes | 21:42 |
| NIN101 | even though I am a member, the definition is funny :D | 21:43 |
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| jaska | lol | 21:50 |
| jaska | i always read it as troll.maemo.org | 21:50 |
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