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NicemanWhat is maemo primarily used for00:08
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ShadowJK... N900?00:09
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NicemanI like the galaxy my wife got instead00:12
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infobotEstel, old haxor! read http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-12-08.log.html#t2011-12-08T01:07:10 ff00:56
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infobotEstel, old haxor! read http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-12-08.log.html#t2011-12-08T01:07:10 ff01:44
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infobotEstel, old haxor! read http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-12-08.log.html#t2011-12-08T01:07:10 ff01:49
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befordlol @ infobot and DocScrutinizer :P02:01
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beforddidn't n8x0 tablets allow apps while using it for skype calls? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505124_162-57345445/apple-patents-using-apps-during-calls/02:45
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ShadowJKbeford; yes03:08
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valeriusNWhen I do apt-get update on my N900, I get an error about "NO_PUBKEY" for Nokia servers. Does anyone know, which GPG keyserver I can use to get a public key?03:28
jacekowskiall keyservers are linked03:34
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valeriusNjacekowski, I tried keys.gnupg.net, but it did not found that key03:41
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infobotHey, thanks for that - I haven't had idea of such functions07:50
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Macer_blah08:03
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DocScrutinizer(apple-patents-using-apps-during-calls/) I'm going to patent breathing while shitting/f*cking/reading/walking/talking08:04
DocScrutinizerlet's face it: apple got patents on the flat surface now, on multitasking, I wonder what's next08:05
DocScrutinizerthose turds08:05
DocScrutinizerI'm quite happy I got my patents on user defined cell functions in spreadsheets in like 200108:09
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MacerDocScrutinizer: heh08:25
Macerpatents using apps during calls?08:25
Maceris that even possible?08:25
Macerthat sure sounds like something that would be rejected08:26
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merlin1991Macer: that is something that just got approved08:49
merlin1991but as far as I understand it the n9 does not infringe it08:49
merlin1991because the patent describes an on screen button08:50
merlin1991yay for swipe :)08:50
luke-jrmerlin1991: bogus patent is bogus08:50
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merlin1991luke-jr: though I do not want to be on the recieving end of the first lawsuit08:51
SpeedEvilI vaguely remember using apps while calling on the neo197308:51
luke-jrSpeedEvil: I remember clearly doing it long before smartphones08:52
merlin1991SpeedEvil: they used their aswesome "mobile computer with touchscreen" line08:52
luke-jrback when FreeWorldDialup or whatever had VoIP that could dial 800 #s free08:52
SpeedEvilluke-jr: Hmm08:52
* merlin1991 darkly remembers some other apple vs x case where the patent was "valid" because no prior art involved a touchscreen08:52
luke-jrI used to make all my phone calls using calling cards08:52
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SpeedEvilmerlin1991: It's fucking insane.08:52
merlin1991I completely agree08:53
SpeedEvilThe definition of 'obvious' needs to be _really_ tightened up.08:53
Macerhahaha08:53
Macerapple is going to win its battle by locking everything down08:53
Macer:) have to give them an A for effort08:53
SpeedEvilYou should not get to patent 'painting a flying car made of metal to reduce corrosion and/or change appearance.08:53
SpeedEvilJust because you've invented a flying car08:53
merlin1991:D08:53
SpeedEvil(or imagined a flying car)08:53
Macerthey didn't invent a touch screen tho :)08:54
* merlin1991 is waiting for the final result of apple vs motorola in germany08:54
luke-jrSpeedEvil: rather, patents and copyrights need to be merged08:54
merlin1991if that goes through it's going to be funky for apple08:54
Macerapple is fking up... sooner or later they're all goin to gang up on apple08:54
Macerand come up with a patent sharing system with everybody except apple08:54
Macerlol08:54
luke-jreg, you get copyright-like monopoly for 3 years provided the government gets the full source code to publish at that time08:54
luke-jrideally, require customers to get source code for those 3 years too08:55
Macerfk no that will never happen08:55
Macerhahahaa08:55
merlin1991luke-jr: imo the patent system in its current form is simply outdated, it worked great as long as development wasnt that fast, but now a 20 year hold on somy silly on screen button, srly?08:56
Maceri'll give you submitting code for copyright... but there is no way in hell they would go with a system where customers get all src08:56
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luke-jrMacer: why not?08:56
Macerbut then again i suppose you might be able to get it with the freedom of information act08:56
Macerbecause it is IP :)08:56
Macerthe chinese will use it for knock offs08:56
merlin1991Macer: that would only count in the us though08:56
luke-jrMacer: in exchange, they get government protection for their monopoly for 3 years08:56
luke-jrMacer: if they don't comply, they get NOTHING08:56
Macerbut then they would spend 10x in govt red tape08:57
Maceras if that isn't bad enough? :)08:57
merlin1991now try to get that passed by the same people who would like to pass sopa :D08:57
Macernot to mention the china factor again08:57
luke-jrhehhee08:57
Macerthe chinese will tell a US court to go fk themselves08:57
luke-jrEurasia needs to collapse so we can get a bunch of new countries with their own unique laws <.<08:58
Macerand make knockoffs based on "customer code" al day long :)08:58
luke-jrMacer: people would stop exporting to China ;)08:58
luke-jrMacer: and wouldn't trust China to produce their products08:58
Macerluke-jr: china doesn't care about imports :-P08:58
luke-jrMacer: overall, a good thing08:58
Maceronly exports08:58
merlin1991come on why get rid of europe?08:58
Macerand doesn't matter.. someone in asia will do it regardless heh08:58
luke-jrmerlin1991: worst continent right now?08:58
Macerif not them... the russians08:58
merlin1991luke-jr: I'm pretty happy here in austria08:59
luke-jrRussia is part of Eurasia :P08:59
merlin1991what's your reasoning for worst?08:59
Maceri think eurasia needs to have 1 govt08:59
luke-jrmerlin1991: only cuz you don't know better :P08:59
Macerbut that'll never happen :)08:59
luke-jrmerlin1991: rampant liberalism gone beyond insane08:59
merlin1991:D08:59
luke-jralso, SI08:59
Macerhahahah! SI??08:59
Macer:)08:59
Macerseriously?09:00
luke-jrSI sucks, but it's probably the worst of Eurasia's problems :P09:00
luke-jrerr09:00
luke-jrleast bad*09:00
merlin1991on the other hand we don't have the us way of spying on everyone, no military operations, and health care :D09:00
merlin1991(talking about austria not whole of europe here)09:00
luke-jrmerlin1991: instead you have legalized murder and kidnapping as "rights"09:00
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merlin1991luke-jr: I must have missed that, when did we do that?09:01
Macerluke-jr: that was in the hitler days :-P09:01
luke-jrmerlin1991: well, legalized murder is basically international now, so long as the victim isn't born yet09:01
merlin1991isn't here09:01
luke-jrmerlin1991: legalized kidnapping was whenever Austria ratified the CRC09:01
merlin1991CRC stands for what?09:01
Macerlegalized kidnapping! keep up! :)09:02
luke-jrhttp://www.unicef.org/crc/09:02
luke-jrmerlin1991: Wikipedia says murdering unborn children legalized in Austria since 197409:02
merlin1991luke-jr: it is not legalized per se, there is a timeframe in which it is allowed, and in case of complications for the mother late abortion is legal09:03
merlin1991and even the timeframe is not a proper law but stands in conflict with another one :D09:03
luke-jrmerlin1991: see, legalized murder09:03
merlin1991murdering of unborn childen in austria is actually not a clear case law wise09:03
merlin1991true though09:04
merlin1991but luke-jr which country doesn't?09:04
luke-jrthe USA is the only country worldwide to not ratify the CDC, at least09:04
luke-jrand the liberals here are trying to change that fast09:04
luke-jrso hopefully some of Eurasia gets a fresh start first09:04
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Macerchina is probing an explosion at an apple supplier factory09:06
Macer:)09:06
Macergoogle agents?09:06
Macerlol09:06
Macercompany covert ops.. that would be awesome09:07
Macerthe great tech war of 201209:07
niwakameless Deus Ex, more cookies09:08
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vi_Macer: corporate espionage is a real threat for many companies.11:35
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psycho_oreosugh *note to self: never get a custom/d-i-y screen protectors and fit it on N900... they are virtually impossible to take off without scratching the digitiser*12:58
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shanttuare core-dumps on sd-card something that should be backed up?18:15
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valdynshanttu: nope18:18
shanttuvaldyn, thanks.18:18
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freemangordonPali, AIUI (and as felipec pointed on 720p thread) videoframes captured by camera driver are memcpy'ed to framebuffer for previewing22:30
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freemangordonyou can imagine the performance loss because of that22:31
Paliyes this can be slow22:31
freemangordonthe solution is to use mmap'ed framebuffer and to pass the address to camera driver22:31
Palibut I do not know why...22:31
freemangordonso isp (camera driver) captures directly into framebuffer22:32
freemangordonhardware-wise that is perfectly ok22:32
freemangordonbut isp and kernel does not support it. isp tries to get_user_pages on that address, and it fails.22:34
freemangordonof course22:34
freemangordonI've found a solution on inet, but another issue arose22:35
freemangordonisp tries to do iommu_vmap on a DMA sg list containing only one entry , with lenght which is not PAGESIZE. And I am stuck there.22:36
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freemangordonThat is why I nead some guru to help.22:37
freemangordon*need22:37
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Palimaybe you could ask developers of framebuffer or better nokia developer who working on upstreaming camera kernel module...22:38
freemangordonI've passed trough a lot of patches, seems the whole driver structure is different. But this is still not fixed AIUI.22:40
Palihttps://gitorious.org/~sailus22:40
freemangordonyeah, I was about to git clone it :D.22:42
ShadowJKI think it's generally hard (impossible) to get large amounts of physically continous ram from the kernel22:42
freemangordonframebuffer is22:42
StyXmannokia n900, I think22:42
StyXmanerrr22:43
StyXmannevermoind22:43
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freemangordonShadowJK, framebuffer memory is continious physical RAM. And it is 8MB in last KP22:44
freemangordonPretty enough for 3-4 v4l2 videobuffers even at 1280x72022:45
freemangordonand doing DMA instead of memcpy leaves MPU free to do more important things in the process of video capure. If only I can do it :D22:47
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