| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: thanks for clarifying | 00:01 |
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| Macer | HI! | 00:10 |
| Macer | huh? | 00:10 |
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| NIN101 | kexec and maemo != friends, unfortanly | 00:16 |
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| Pali | I was not able to use kexec - it did not worked | 00:20 |
| Pali | (on maemo with or without kernel-power) | 00:21 |
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| NIN101 | it worked for me with meego kernels. kexecing meego kernels with meego-kernels worked, kexecing kernel-power from another distri using meego-kernel didn't really work (it basically died on booting). | 00:22 |
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| Berlinermauer | My Nokia N900 complains that i dont have enough Application Space for the Kernel Update | 00:34 |
| Berlinermauer | but if I look how much "Application Space" there is, it is about 200mb | 00:35 |
| Berlinermauer | isn't that enough? | 00:35 |
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| luke-jr | sigh! | 00:49 |
| luke-jr | who maintains power kernel anyhwo? | 00:49 |
| merlin1991 | doesn't Pali do that? | 00:49 |
| luke-jr | Pali: poke | 00:50 |
| Pali | luke-jr: kexec does not working with kernel-power or stock | 00:51 |
| Pali | in kp and last PR1.3 stock kernel are kexec pacthes but I was not able to boot anything with kexec | 00:52 |
| luke-jr | Pali: I want to build kernel-power. | 00:54 |
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| luke-jr | Pali: but I can't figure out how to patch it up | 00:55 |
| luke-jr | Pali: the patches in the kernel-power sources don't apply to vanilla 2.6.28, nor to fremantle 2.6.28 | 00:55 |
| luke-jr | Pali: so … what's it based on? XD | 00:55 |
| Pali | they apply to vanilla | 00:56 |
| Pali | kp tree has all nokia patches | 00:56 |
| Pali | download tarball 2.6.28 from kernel.org or from repository.maemo.org | 00:56 |
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| luke-jr | Pali: they don't, though :/ | 00:57 |
| Pali | see: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71879 | 00:57 |
| luke-jr | the first one to modify EXTRAVERSION in Makefile expects "-power" already there | 00:57 |
| Pali | see TMO, here is how to compile | 00:57 |
| luke-jr | I don't use Debian. | 00:58 |
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| Pali | uff, build scripts depends on scratchbox or madde | 00:58 |
| luke-jr | much less those >_< | 00:59 |
| luke-jr | I just want to apply patches and build myself | 00:59 |
| Pali | but see TMO, "Compiling 0. Download source code from git repository" | 00:59 |
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| Pali | this needs only git & tar | 00:59 |
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| luke-jr | but doesn't seem to apply the patches? | 01:00 |
| Pali | patches are quit type | 01:00 |
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| Pali | so you can you quilt or manully apply with patch -p1 -i | 01:00 |
| luke-jr | yes, but the problem is they *don't* just apply on vanilla :/ | 01:00 |
| Pali | it must apply, I tested it... | 01:01 |
| Pali | wait, I will try again | 01:01 |
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| luke-jr | Pali: I'm somewhat confused about the patches outside the patches/ dir tho | 01:03 |
| Pali | all patches are here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=tree;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches | 01:04 |
| Pali | see series file for order | 01:04 |
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| Pali | Tested, all patches applyied without problem | 01:06 |
| Pali | tarball: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.28.tar.gz | 01:06 |
| Pali | $ for file in `cat patches/series`; do patch -p1 -i patches/$file; done | 01:06 |
| luke-jr | I'm trying to build rev b4c9704d93d4a648d2fefccda89737040828429b | 01:06 |
| Pali | luke-jr: I do not see any problem | 01:06 |
| luke-jr | it's getting stuck at armthumb.diff now | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | THUMB-WHAT? | 01:07 |
| Pali | b4c9704d93d4a648d2fefccda89737040828429b is old version | 01:07 |
| luke-jr | Hunk #1 FAILED at 90. | 01:07 |
| Pali | try HEAD | 01:07 |
| luke-jr | Pali: it's the current stable kernel-power | 01:07 |
| luke-jr | newer kernel-power bricks my device | 01:08 |
| Pali | current stable is v49 | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's that thumb shit? | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | please don't tell me now PK also tries using thunb stuff | 01:08 |
| luke-jr | Pali: apt says it's v42 | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | we had a rather lengthy not yet finished discussion regarding thumb on N900 CPU, over in #maemo-ssu | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm still claiming thumb is broken in silicon, on N900 | 01:09 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: armthumb.diff is ARM errata: Stale prediction on replaced interworking branch | 01:09 |
| Pali | luke-jr: X-Fade still not filed problem with apt | 01:09 |
| Pali | what is it? | 01:10 |
| luke-jr | Pali: ? | 01:10 |
| Pali | I will look at it | 01:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yeah, there are supposedly patches for thumb silicon errata, but seems they just don't clean up all the pieces | 01:11 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I don't really care about thumb, I just want to get this kernel to go :P | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | though freemangordon is still "not buying it" | 01:11 |
| Pali | luke-jr, only last kp versions has normal patch series | 01:11 |
| luke-jr | Pali: if it bricks my device, do I get a warranty? :P | 01:12 |
| Pali | I cannot help you with building older versions | 01:12 |
| Pali | I had problems too, so I modified a lot of debian/rules parts | 01:13 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 01:13 |
| luke-jr | Pali: btw, is there a normal kernel git repo you guys use? | 01:13 |
| luke-jr | ie, with kernel source, not patches | 01:14 |
| Pali | what do you mean with kernel source? | 01:14 |
| Pali | only this kernel-power with patch series | 01:14 |
| Pali | but you can use only some patches | 01:15 |
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| luke-jr | Pali: like a git clone of Linus's tree | 01:15 |
| Pali | no | 01:15 |
| Pali | you can detele all patches expect "nokia-*.diff" | 01:15 |
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| Pali | and you get stock kernel | 01:15 |
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| luke-jr | oh wow, I got a commit hash collision that forces git to use longer short-hash | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | Pali: know about this bugfix applied to your git tree after v49? is it important? | 01:17 |
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| Pali | which bugfix? | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | Fixed bug when device restarts instead of shutdown when a charger is attached | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: that's where PaulFertser almost did a rm -r * on hostmode stuff - powerkernel is a mess | 01:18 |
| luke-jr | ? | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | no cvs, svc, or git at all | 01:19 |
| Pali | luke-jr: this problem reported more users on TMO and freemangordon wrote patch | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | svn | 01:19 |
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| Pali | I'm using this patch and no problem... | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | so no bisect either | 01:20 |
| Pali | ask freemangordon about it | 01:20 |
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| luke-jr | Pali: what happens if I leave it out? | 01:20 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer: you can disable some patches | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | nuttin bad | 01:20 |
| Pali | you get actual kp v49 version | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's some strange shit in kernel that got triggered by hostmode patches | 01:21 |
| luke-jr | worst case scenario, I have to shutdown twice? O.o | 01:22 |
| luke-jr | Pali: would you like to make fcam built-in to power-kernel? | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you leave out freemango's patch, you'll see strange beahviour on shutdown, startup - when charger attached | 01:22 |
| Pali | luke-jr: I'm not using fcam, so I cannot test it if it works | 01:23 |
| luke-jr | Pali: me either! :D | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Neither | 01:23 |
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| luke-jr | I just know applying it doesn't break normal use | 01:23 |
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| luke-jr | Pali: dspbridge.diff has a questionable hack… care for a proper fix? >_< | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | do you know if whoever did it can confirm it's sane?\ | 01:27 |
| Pali | what? | 01:28 |
| luke-jr | looks like freemangordon wrote it | 01:28 |
| luke-jr | he just yanked out the "#elif TARGET_ENDIANNESS_DIFFERS(TARGET_BIG_ENDIAN)" scenario entirely | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | I presume because it wouldn't compile | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | I have (I think) a proper fix for it | 01:29 |
| Pali | ok | 01:30 |
| Pali | sorry, but now I'm going sleep | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | … | 01:31 |
| Pali | send me mail | 01:31 |
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| FIQ | yaay | 01:45 |
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| LaoLang_cool | run 'Settings -> My Nokia' will cause "Internal error, application Settings' closed." | 03:14 |
| LaoLang_cool | What's wrong? | 03:14 |
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| x29a | LaoLang_cool: did you mess with the packages? | 03:48 |
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| LaoLang_cool | x29a: what do you mean? | 04:21 |
| x29a | did you install something? | 04:26 |
| x29a | or what was the action you took, before you noticed the fault | 04:26 |
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| LaoLang_cool | x29a: sorry for delay. Yes, I've installed apps, I have to reflash n900 to check which app causes it? | 04:45 |
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| Macer | hey guys. i have 6 1TB hard drives i'm trying to get rid of for $50 each if anybody is interested in any of them | 07:56 |
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| Macer | and a pci-x areca raid :) | 07:56 |
| Macer | if anybody even has pci-x | 07:56 |
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| jazedal | Take those prices to ebay! | 08:00 |
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| doc|home | Macer: yeah, craigslist or ebay will get you much more than $60 | 08:02 |
| Macer | doc|home: really? | 08:03 |
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| jazedal | Not that much more. | 08:03 |
| Macer | i | 08:03 |
| Macer | i'm just trying to get rid of them ;) | 08:03 |
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| Macer | they will just be lying around. i gutted my old server | 08:03 |
| Macer | since i have the synology in place now | 08:03 |
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| Macer | and now my old server is my gaming box/workstation | 08:03 |
| Macer | it still has a little kick to it :) | 08:04 |
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| Macer | although i was actually thinking about replacing the mboard/cpu with the newer phenom stuff | 08:04 |
| Macer | why not? $400-$600 for the highest grade amd stuff | 08:05 |
| doc|home | Macer: what brand are they? | 08:05 |
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| jazedal | You can get TB disks for as little as $70 on ebay. | 08:05 |
| doc|home | Macer: I hate to say it, but the amd stuff is a bit shit really. I was looking, ended up getting i5 instead. I really tried to find something half decent in amd-land. It's just not there. | 08:05 |
| Macer | they are WD Caviars | 08:05 |
| doc|home | green/blue/black? | 08:06 |
| Macer | WD10EACS | 08:06 |
| Macer | green | 08:06 |
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| doc|home | not bad disks | 08:07 |
| Macer | they are literally just sitting on my floor now lol | 08:07 |
| doc|home | not especially fast, but still pretty good | 08:07 |
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| Macer | i kept 2 of them and hooked them onto the onboard sata | 08:07 |
| Macer | and gutted the rest | 08:07 |
| jazedal | I'm not interested. | 08:07 |
| Macer | i don't need all that noise and i mirrored the 2 for win7 | 08:07 |
| Macer | this thing is like 50dB quieter now lol | 08:07 |
| Macer | jazedal: i honestly wasn't trying to sell it ot you anyways.. i was asking the # veterans | 08:08 |
| jazedal | Good, then you're not disappointed. | 08:09 |
| doc|home | heh | 08:09 |
| Macer | er. no.. i can honestly say i'm not disappointed :) i wouldn't be disappointed if i didn't sell any of them. i'm not chinese. | 08:09 |
| Macer | and i don't live check to check | 08:09 |
| Macer | lol | 08:09 |
| Macer | doc|home: if any of the guys want them theyre here. i'm going to put them on ebay next week otherewise. | 08:10 |
| jazedal | Well, you're doing a good job. | 08:10 |
| jazedal | Of not selling them. | 08:10 |
| doc|home | jazedal: wtf is up with you? | 08:10 |
| jazedal | ...nothing. | 08:11 |
| doc|home | Macer: thanks, don't have any great need for those right now. If you have a couple of samsung spinpoint f1s however? :) | 08:11 |
| jazedal | o_O | 08:11 |
| Macer | LOL! no doc|home | 08:11 |
| doc|home | stupid seagate | 08:11 |
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| Macer | doc|home: is the amd stuff really that bad? | 08:12 |
| Macer | i mean price vs performance seems about right | 08:12 |
| Macer | when compared to an intel on the same level | 08:13 |
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| Macer | all the review sites i saw seem to have similar benchmarks when comparing a high end amd with the 2nd highest end intel :) | 08:13 |
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| doc|home | Macer: price, performance, watt they look a bit lame | 08:18 |
| doc|home | amd are doing their best to be intel when intel was at its worst :) | 08:18 |
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| Macer | well. i am just going off raw numbers ;) | 08:24 |
| Macer | the latest phenom that is around $300 with 8 cores seems comparable to an intel i7 | 08:24 |
| Macer | probably not the latest and greatest but maybe a couple of step s down | 08:24 |
| ThreeM | uhh | 08:25 |
| ThreeM | atm amd is a nogo | 08:25 |
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| Macer | ThreeM: why? are the mboards and cpus buggy? | 08:25 |
| ThreeM | price performance rating is worse | 08:25 |
| Macer | where do you see that? | 08:25 |
| Macer | i was looking at them not too long ago and they seemed pretty fairly priced for their performance when compared to an intel with the same benchmarks | 08:26 |
| ThreeM | different benchmarks, reviews and tests | 08:26 |
| ThreeM | in lower middleclass with integraded GPu amd is very good | 08:26 |
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| ThreeM | but on high end systems, the is no way around a iCore CPU | 08:27 |
| Macer | odd | 08:27 |
| Macer | like i said. i don't see how that is the case . i checked quite a few sites and the strongest amd cpu seemed to hold its own when compared to an i7 | 08:27 |
| Macer | like i said. not the strongest i7 but still.. an i7 that was twice the price of the amd | 08:28 |
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| ThreeM | my new i5 system with 8gigabyte ram, geforce 560 TI and quad Core cpu @ 3,4ghz per core are about 600euro | 08:28 |
| Macer | so nowadays that would be what? $100USD? | 08:28 |
| * Macer grins :) | 08:28 | |
| ThreeM | and hell its fast | 08:28 |
| Macer | jk. i see your point but i am sure an amd with 8 cores is rather zippy too | 08:29 |
| ThreeM | the power consumtion in compare to the performance is poor on amd site and there high performance phenom cpus | 08:29 |
| Macer | and the benchmarks when comparing the intels and amds seem ... :) well. | 08:29 |
| Macer | ThreeM: i am running 2 dual core opteron 285s now... power isn't too big of a deal | 08:30 |
| Macer | the cpus alone are probably sucking away well over 100W ;) | 08:30 |
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| ThreeM | sure its zippy. but it consumes more power, and compared to the price its more expensive then a icore cpu system | 08:30 |
| Macer | i guess but really how long would it take to make up the price difference in electricity? | 08:30 |
| Macer | 10 years? ;) | 08:30 |
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| ThreeM | on my site i saved 20eur a year | 08:31 |
| Macer | if you live near a nuclear plant... 20 | 08:31 |
| ThreeM | x6 phenom before, now i5 | 08:31 |
| Macer | 20EU isn't worth it ;) | 08:31 |
| Macer | a year?? | 08:31 |
| ThreeM | and the i5 is cooler then a phenom :) | 08:32 |
| Macer | that means it will take you years to make up the difference in price with electricity | 08:32 |
| ThreeM | lower noisy systems | 08:32 |
| Macer | ThreeM: yeah but i was talking more personal gaming box use ... not servers | 08:32 |
| Macer | i gave up on a big loud server in favor for a 1.2GHz arm based synology | 08:32 |
| ThreeM | on this site, icore is better to | 08:32 |
| Macer | it makes 1dB ;) vs the 50 my loud server was throwing out | 08:33 |
| ThreeM | im playing Skyrim with HD Textures, full details, 1080p resolution @ 50fps ;) | 08:33 |
| Macer | ThreeM: i didn't say am dwas better. i just said price vs performance the amd should be considered | 08:33 |
| Macer | i am sure a top end amd with a fair video card can do just as well | 08:34 |
| ThreeM | sure it can, but for more money per fps :) | 08:34 |
| Macer | around $700 for the barebones mboard/cpu/ram | 08:35 |
| Macer | and that is a really high end mboard ;) | 08:35 |
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| ThreeM | a competitive amd system, with i considered to tto buy as a new pc, will be expensivier than 150eur :/ | 08:35 |
| jazedal | Good god, is that a sentence? | 08:35 |
| ThreeM | sorry, im german in a low educated area ;) | 08:36 |
| Macer | lmao | 08:36 |
| Macer | ThreeM: don't feel bad.. all of the US is a low educated area ;) | 08:36 |
| Macer | my won will never set foot in a public school | 08:36 |
| Macer | won/son | 08:36 |
| Macer | waste of tax dollars | 08:36 |
| Macer | hope i can write his private education off later somehow | 08:37 |
| jazedal | Well then who's going to teach him? | 08:37 |
| Macer | uhm.. a .. private school teacher? | 08:37 |
| Macer | keep up | 08:37 |
| Macer | see? public education right there. | 08:37 |
| jazedal | Just because you posted half of a second before me, doesn't mean you posted it soon enough. | 08:37 |
| Macer | find it kind of neat that you just insulted a german who learned english | 08:38 |
| Macer | as if that is an easy thing to do :) learn german then talk about bad sentences | 08:38 |
| jazedal | Don't be so pointy, I insult you too. | 08:38 |
| ThreeM | oh thats ok. as a german i know my english is no so good ;) | 08:38 |
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| Macer | ThreeM: honestly.. it is better than most Americans :-P | 08:39 |
| ThreeM | wehn you ask a german, everybody will tell you "i can speak english, but not very good" ;) | 08:39 |
| Macer | a lot of which can not even read because of a failed public schooling system | 08:39 |
| ThreeM | we dont beleive in our english speak | 08:39 |
| Macer | ThreeM: but thanks for the info. maybe i will cosider an icore | 08:39 |
| luke-jr | sigh | 08:40 |
| luke-jr | finally got power49 built | 08:40 |
| luke-jr | and as expected, it doesn't boot | 08:40 |
| luke-jr | and as usual, Maemo provides no logs whatsoever to debug from | 08:40 |
| Macer | try power50 | 08:40 |
| Macer | :) | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | no such thing | 08:41 |
| ThreeM | look at our foreign minister, he is pure irony | 08:41 |
| Macer | luke-jr: i was joking. i don't even know what power49 is | 08:42 |
| ThreeM | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lLYGPWQ0VjY#t=20s | 08:42 |
| ThreeM | me is a genius in english speak :) | 08:42 |
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| Macer | i bought a cheap charger for my N900 batteries off ebay for like $10 (battery included) it actually works good | 08:43 |
| jazedal | You don't know what power49 is?! Power49 is the rebuilt kernel for the N900. It includes many features the stock kernel doesn't offer. | 08:44 |
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| Macer | oh so that's what i installed. go figure. | 08:44 |
| jazedal | Such as, support for dm-crypt, dependency for w1 bleeding-edge wifi driver, and overclocking. | 08:45 |
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| luke-jr | jazedal: and doesn't work. | 08:45 |
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| Macer | lol | 08:45 |
| jazedal | Are you sure? I'm pretty sure I've installed it myself. | 08:45 |
| Macer | luke-jr: i'm sure it won't work forever | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | jazedal: 49? | 08:46 |
| jazedal | Yes, 49. | 08:46 |
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| Macer | lies | 08:47 |
| Macer | back to xfiles.. never saw it before | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | jazedal: well, won't boot for me | 08:47 |
| Macer | it's actually kind of boring | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | jazedal: no logs to look at, so I'm lost. | 08:47 |
| jazedal | No, I just checked, I have 49 installed right now. | 08:47 |
| * Macer facepalm | 08:48 | |
| luke-jr | doesn't help me. | 08:49 |
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| * luke-jr ponders how to get some kind of logging.. | 08:49 | |
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| jazedal | I haven't needed any boot logs, but you might try searching google for how to enable boot logging on the N900. | 08:51 |
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| luke-jr | no results | 08:53 |
| jazedal | Are you sure? Did you type anything into the search box? | 08:53 |
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| luke-jr | jazedal: duh | 08:57 |
| jazedal | I'm sorry, I wish I could help. I just have real problems to fix. | 08:57 |
| jazedal | Whereas your problem can be fixed by simply reflashing your device and reinstalling power49 from scratch. | 08:59 |
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| luke-jr | jazedal: ………… | 09:03 |
| luke-jr | yeah, let's reinstall the OS whenever a CUSTOM BUILT KERNEL DOESN'T BOOT | 09:03 |
| jazedal | Oh, if you find a solution, do let me know. | 09:03 |
| luke-jr | I wonder how that gets my kernel working | 09:03 |
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| jazedal | Simple, it removes whatever you did to it to keep it from working. | 09:04 |
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| luke-jr | jazedal: no, it doesn't. | 09:05 |
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| jazedal | It doesn't? Have you tried it already? | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | I'd reinstall, lose all my data, and the custom build STILL wouldn't work | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | no, I'm not stupid enough to try something like that for no reason | 09:06 |
| jazedal | You wouldn't lose the data on the eMMC. That's where all your data should be. Anything that isn't should be documented, because you're going to have to reflash anyway. | 09:06 |
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| luke-jr | jazedal: no, I'm not. | 09:07 |
| luke-jr | I'm just going to boot power42 until I figure out what's wrong with power49 | 09:08 |
| jazedal | Oh, you've set up multiple boot partitions? | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | …yes | 09:09 |
| jazedal | Maybe that's your problem. | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | ……… | 09:09 |
| jazedal | I'm sorry, but I really have to go. | 09:09 |
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| jazedal | If you figure out a solution, or have anything important to say.......let me know. | 09:10 |
| jazedal | I'm playing minesweeper. | 09:12 |
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| jazedal | It is very frustrating. | 09:13 |
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| luke-jr | well, got a strace of the entire boot process now… | 09:23 |
| luke-jr | looks like I need a power42 one to compare it with | 09:23 |
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| jazedal | Goodie. Please document any obstacles you encounter while doing that. | 09:29 |
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| luke-jr | [pid 1194] ioctl(5, 0x703, 0x55) = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy) | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | seems to be the problem | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | (that's BME :/) | 09:52 |
| MohammadAG | Ohai bq27000 module | 09:54 |
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| luke-jr | /usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h:#define I2C_SLAVE 0x0703 /* Use this slave address */ | 09:54 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: hmm | 09:54 |
| MohammadAG | Blacklist the bitch | 09:54 |
| luke-jr | is this documented somewhere? XD | 09:55 |
| MohammadAG | Also CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_SOMETHING for live boot | 09:55 |
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| luke-jr | aha, I see it in the dpkg src | 09:55 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: yeah, but Maemo blanks the display… | 09:55 |
| MohammadAG | R&D mode doesn't luke-jr | 09:56 |
| luke-jr | does for me | 09:57 |
| luke-jr | yay that works | 09:58 |
| luke-jr | Linux sanji 2.6.28.10-fremantle-power49-gcc45 #2 PREEMPT Wed Dec 7 01:08:37 EST 2011 armv7l unknown | 09:58 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: tyvm | 09:58 |
| luke-jr | I would have spent another hour trying to fix it >_< | 09:58 |
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| MohammadAG | Did I mention my support is now paid? | 09:59 |
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| MohammadAG | That'll be $50 | 09:59 |
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| luke-jr | MohammadAG: haha | 10:01 |
| luke-jr | well, at least now I've confirmed kexec doesn't work any better in 49… | 10:01 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 10:02 |
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| Macer | nba 2k12 is fking great | 10:16 |
| Macer | :) | 10:17 |
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| jazedal | Has anyone gotten the error "could not read symbols: File in wrong format", when uploading new package source, as if the object files were compiled for a different architecture. | 10:40 |
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| Shapeshifter | seems like hildon-desktop crashed. How can I restart it without rebooting? | 13:29 |
| psycho_oreos | Ctrl+Shift+X (if you have CSSU/MHD installed) and maybe run hildon-desktop from there? | 13:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | I thought they normally restart anyway after a few seconds/minutes | 13:32 |
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| hiemanshu | what is MHD? | 13:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | modified hildon desktop, it was by matan which featured stuff that is now part of CSSU | 13:43 |
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| Estel_ | ħelllo there, Maemo | 13:58 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah it should've respawned. ctrl-shift-x doesn't launch the terminal. I have ssh access though but DISPLAY=:0 hildon-desktop failed with a segmentation fault | 13:59 |
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| Estel_ | I got small question., While using N900 connected to monitor via TV-out, and with bluetooth/usb mouse/keyboard, events from external keyboard/mouse aren't recognized by timer invoking securing device | 14:00 |
| Estel_ | quite irritating, cause from time to time, I'm thrown out to lock code input (which I can do via mouse, fortunatelly). | 14:00 |
| Estel_ | It's especially irritating, if one use Truecrypt + 5 min lockcode timer, for security | 14:01 |
| Estel_ | of course I can disable autolocking while working, but it's far from optimal. Is there any way to fix it? | 14:01 |
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| Estel_ | maybe bugging developer of extkbd/extmou? I have no idea, what determines autolock and events that trigger resseting it's timer (like touching screen, or hardware keyboard) | 14:02 |
| Estel_ | normally, I would tell it's Nokia bug, but we know too well that we must find a way to fix it ourself... ;) | 14:03 |
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| vi_ | Estel_: I use a script to turn autolock on/off (useful for when driving to unlock screen by touch) | 14:06 |
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| vi_ | Estel_: you could hook it into power key menu | 14:06 |
| Estel_ | So, basicallyh You're swapping it's setting via invoked script | 14:07 |
| vi_ | yup | 14:07 |
| vi_ | going through settings was to much of a balleache | 14:07 |
| vi_ | ^ball-ache | 14:07 |
| Estel_ | it's good solution, but I think binding such script to extmou/extkbd (when mouse or keyboard is connected) should be trivial | 14:07 |
| Estel_ | so, it would automatically turn on/off on external mouse or keyboard | 14:07 |
| Estel_ | I'll try bugging freemangordon about that. Thanks | 14:08 |
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| vi_ | Estel_: good point | 14:08 |
| vi_ | what is extmou? | 14:08 |
| Estel_ | package allowing You to use external mouse via usb or bluetooth, Probably You have it installed if You ever tried to use it | 14:09 |
| Estel_ | it's sister-package for extkbd, both by freeman | 14:09 |
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| Estel_ | it solves some irritating bugs + automatically enable cursor when mouse or keyboard with trackpoint is connected | 14:09 |
| vi_ | Estel_: I would hold of hassling the freeman till you have a solution. | 14:10 |
| Estel_ | replacement for bluetooth-hd script by qole | 14:10 |
| vi_ | So it is just a script? | 14:10 |
| Estel_ | extkbd get gui, as for extmou, probably it's set of scripts. Although, available from repos | 14:10 |
| vi_ | Then it will be trivial to add a line that enables/disables screen lock gconf. | 14:10 |
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| vi_ | quite a good addition as well | 14:11 |
| Estel_ | I think yes | 14:11 |
| vi_ | Have you used a usb mouse? | 14:11 |
| jazedal | Are you two finished? I have a problem. | 14:11 |
| vi_ | jazedal: no | 14:11 |
| Estel_ | both extmou and extkbd got threads on TMO | 14:11 |
| Estel_ | jazedal, You can talk simulatenously | 14:11 |
| Estel_ | this way we can achieve simulatenous... solution ;) | 14:11 |
| jazedal | *waits impatiently* | 14:11 |
| Estel_ | vi_ of course | 14:12 |
| vi_ | Estel_: devs hate being hassled with 'suggestions' without rationale and solutions behind them. | 14:12 |
| Estel_ | Currently, I'm ussing usb keyboard + bluetooth mouse for power savinbg reasons | 14:12 |
| vi_ | Estel_: were you the one wanting to turn on LEDs for flashlight from console with v4l2ctl? | 14:12 |
| Estel_ | rationale is present, and solution is ekhm explained, cause as You know, I'm not na coder. Still, it's seem so trivial, that I'll try adding it myself. Unless I end being unable to decide where to put it, lol | 14:13 |
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| Estel_ | w00t? | 14:13 |
| Estel_ | no, it wasn't me | 14:13 |
| vi_ | Estel_: how is your bash scripting? | 14:13 |
| jazedal | Okay. I'm having an issue trying to upload a new package. Autobuilder is outputting "/scratchbox/tools/lib/perl5/5.8.4/i686-linux-thread-multi/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a: could not read symbols: File in wrong format | 14:13 |
| Estel_ | noln-existant = I've ''written'' some scripts, reverse-engineering existing ones, | 14:14 |
| bindi_ | aahghhhh | 14:14 |
| bindi_ | double single quote | 14:14 |
| bindi_ | just use double quote? :-D | 14:14 |
| Estel_ | bindi_, rationale? | 14:15 |
| jazedal | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status", like in bug 1954, but on the server. | 14:15 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/1954 Scratchbox makes building extensions to target Perl, Python etc awkward | 14:15 |
| jazedal | ugh | 14:15 |
| vi_ | Estel_: I will pm you the screen lock/unlock script. | 14:15 |
| bindi_ | Estel_: huh? :p just poking you about your '' (two ') - why not just use "? :D | 14:15 |
| Estel_ | thanks, I'll put it somewhere and chedck how it works, if state=success, will send it to freeman with vproper credits to You | 14:16 |
| jazedal | Okay. I'm having an issue trying to upload a new package. Autobuilder is outputting "/scratchbox/tools/lib/perl5/5.8.4/i686-linux-thread-multi/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a: could not read symbols: File in wrong format collect2: ld returned 1 exit status", like in bug 1954, but on the server. | 14:16 |
| vi_ | Estel_: you can then figure out how to integrate it with extmou/keyb etc. | 14:16 |
| vi_ | Estel_: no credits, it is a one liner if I recall correctly! | 14:16 |
| Estel_ | bindi_, laziness - probably - double single quote can be used without shift. Useful, when writing using one hand | 14:17 |
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| Estel_ | aye, but You know I'm crediting-whore ;) | 14:17 |
| vi_ | Estel_: do you have callnotify installed? | 14:17 |
| bindi_ | Estel_: could also just use one single quote :P | 14:17 |
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| jazedal | When you said I could post simultaneously, I assumed you meant you would read it. | 14:17 |
| Estel_ | jazedal, You got answer | 14:17 |
| jazedal | I did?... | 14:18 |
| Estel_ | just rewing a little ;) not from me, though | 14:18 |
| Estel_ | yea, link to bugzilla with comments | 14:18 |
| Estel_ | vi_, no idea, what does it do? Seems I recall that name, but... | 14:18 |
| Estel_ | bindi_, true ;P but it doesnt match my aesthetic, lol | 14:19 |
| jazedal | I don't see an answer. | 14:19 |
| Estel_ | also, in some coding, double quote use more bits to encode than double single quote | 14:19 |
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| vi_ | It makes a little icon in status bar for when you miss a call/sms. It also makes the n900 vibrate every 5 mins (or so) to remind you you have a missed notification. | 14:19 |
| Estel_ | so with limited avaiulable characters, I get used to use double single quote, lol | 14:19 |
| vi_ | Also it turns out it causes ~4-500 wake ups/S | 14:20 |
| Estel_ | hahaha. Don't have it, - no need. It seems that I would not like it anyway... | 14:20 |
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| Estel_ | jazedal, quoting: | 14:20 |
| Estel_ | <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/1954 Scratchbox makes building extensions to target Perl, Python etc awkward | 14:21 |
| povbot | Bug 1954: Scratchbox makes building extensions to target Perl, Python etc awkward | 14:21 |
| vi_ | Estel_: also on my series of battery life... | 14:21 |
| jazedal | Thank you... | 14:21 |
| vi_ | 125 MHz is rubbish. | 14:21 |
| Estel_ | vi_, I don't use 125. In my case, 500-900 provide better battery life, especially with smartreflex by freem | 14:21 |
| Estel_ | and he's going to recalculate it even more... ;) | 14:22 |
| Estel_ | jazedal, no problem | 14:22 |
| jazedal | No, that's not a solution. That's merely pointing out that I have a problem. | 14:22 |
| Estel_ | ah, I see. | 14:22 |
| vi_ | Estel_: may I suggest 250MHz as your lower level. Also enabling 500 and 805 only. | 14:23 |
| Estel_ | cause I have no clue, I suggest You a) waiting for someone knowledgeable showing up on irc b) write on talk.maemo.org dev section c) waiting for someone to respond in bug comments. | 14:23 |
| Estel_ | probably, combination of all of these is best | 14:23 |
| vi_ | check your current cpu stats with the cpu stats script by rooted on the wiki for overclocking. | 14:23 |
| Estel_ | vi_, Yea, know that script | 14:23 |
| jazedal | The bug page offers a solution, but it requires modifying environment variables or program paths, but the error is in AutoBuilder | 14:23 |
| vi_ | then try the above freqs and check again. | 14:23 |
| vi_ | The n900 spends around 94% of the time in 250% when idle. | 14:24 |
| Estel_ | the funniest thing is that, comparing it with real-world test of 10h locked standby | 14:24 |
| vi_ | ^250MHz | 14:24 |
| Estel_ | 500 mhz result in less mAh used, than both 250 and 125, lol. Tried it three times | 14:24 |
| vi_ | which uses ~ 2/3 of the power of 500MHz | 14:24 |
| Estel_ | true | 14:24 |
| Estel_ | but I think famous "race to idle" has effect here | 14:24 |
| vi_ | except when in use! | 14:25 |
| Estel_ | remember about sitting on 0 mhz | 14:25 |
| vi_ | then it flip/flops around 805/500 (some 250) | 14:25 |
| Estel_ | task are finished faster on 500 mhz | 14:25 |
| Estel_ | so it got more time on 0 mhz every second | 14:25 |
| Estel_ | total | 14:25 |
| jazedal | Wait for someone knowledgeable to show up, like that will ever happen. | 14:25 |
| vi_ | Yes, however even if task is finished faster, it required more power to finish faster than to finish slightly slower. | 14:25 |
| Estel_ | jazedal, thats life. Seriously though, ask in talk.maemo.org and be patient - no one is ignorinjg You on purpose. | 14:26 |
| jazedal | I better just write a long and detailed letter to Nokia. | 14:26 |
| Estel_ | vi_ - true, but on 0mhz You save on power leakage | 14:26 |
| Estel_ | which is 0 on 0 mhz, and never even close to 0 on any mhz, even 1 ;) | 14:26 |
| Estel_ | jazedal, wreiting letter to bankrupt company is useless, but, Your choice | 14:26 |
| Estel_ | vi_, as You/ve said, 500 mhz uses 1/3 more power | 14:27 |
| Estel_ | while it is 2x faster than 250 mhz | 14:27 |
| vi_ | Estel_: ok, consider this. | 14:27 |
| Estel_ | = power saving. Add to it powser leakage savings | 14:27 |
| jazedal | I know no one is ignoring me. It's a question of capability. | 14:27 |
| Estel_ | which is hard to measure by any tool | 14:27 |
| Estel_ | cause even simplest script makes it get out of 0 mhz | 14:27 |
| vi_ | Estel_: when I am using n900 as an mp3 player, it is constantly awake. | 14:28 |
| Estel_ | true | 14:28 |
| vi_ | However processing requirements are relativly low. | 14:28 |
| Estel_ | except that I use .ogg, no single mp3 here ;P | 14:28 |
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| vi_ | and can be serviced with 250 MHz. | 14:28 |
| Estel_ | for such purposes I can agree, that 250 mhz may better choice | 14:28 |
| Estel_ | but, 1/3 more power to 500 with 2x more speed still apply | 14:29 |
| Estel_ | You just Don't need to consider power leakage here | 14:29 |
| vi_ | So if I spend 3 hours listening to music, is it not better it sits at 250MHz than 500? | 14:29 |
| Estel_ | I'm not sure, cause I don't know what device does in "spare time" every second | 14:29 |
| Estel_ | when awake | 14:29 |
| vi_ | Estel_: it is spammed to death by bme. | 14:30 |
| Estel_ | common sense tells me it still underclock to 0 mhz | 14:30 |
| Estel_ | haha | 14:30 |
| Estel_ | maybe | 14:30 |
| vi_ | fucking bme | 14:30 |
| Estel_ | Pali is writting kernel modules, as base for bme replacement | 14:30 |
| vi_ | if I could just find a way to detect USB plugin without BME I could get rid of the fucking thing. | 14:30 |
| Estel_ | joerg_rw though once it's impossible work to re-wriote every single api relying on bme, but Pali is quite bulletproof for impossible thiungs, fortunatelly | 14:31 |
| vi_ | Estel_: I saw. | 14:31 |
| Estel_ | usb plugin? You mean mass storage, or PC suite? | 14:31 |
| vi_ | Estel_: but let us be frank. What ACTUALLY relies on BME? | 14:31 |
| Estel_ | AFAIK it's just matter of g_file_storage and g_nokia modules | 14:31 |
| vi_ | usb plugin for charging. | 14:31 |
| vi_ | (and mass storage mode too i guess.) | 14:32 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer is better suited t=to answer this question, but I remember chatter about some crucial hildon components. | 14:32 |
| Estel_ | mass storage mode doesn't AFAIK | 14:32 |
| Estel_ | PC USB charging does. | 14:32 |
| vi_ | The only thing I need BME for is updating my battery icon (which is fucking useless and wrong) and updating hal WRT usb conditions. | 14:32 |
| Estel_ | without it, it can charge only @ 100 mA from PC port | 14:32 |
| Estel_ | You don't need it for battery icon | 14:33 |
| vi_ | Yar you do. | 14:33 |
| Estel_ | advanced-power-monitor does it, and can be set to don't use bme even now | 14:33 |
| vi_ | and dont say advanced battery widget, | 14:33 |
| Estel_ | You can use fuckin bq27x00_battery for it | 14:33 |
| Estel_ | not widget | 14:33 |
| Estel_ | monitor. | 14:33 |
| vi_ | it is another python 'appz' | 14:33 |
| Estel_ | it replaces stgatus menu indicator and status menu icon | 14:33 |
| vi_ | that sucks cpu and ram | 14:34 |
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| Estel_ | can't agree, it's written in a way avoiding waking CPU when it's not doing other things | 14:34 |
| Estel_ | that's why he is not using i2c values stgill | 14:34 |
| jazedal | Is there a community repository to bypass autobuilder? | 14:34 |
| vi_ | mmm, how do I set it to use BQ? | 14:34 |
| Estel_ | can be used to read from bq..._battery or bme | 14:34 |
| Estel_ | first - You need to have bq enabled. Then, it appear in APM menu | 14:35 |
| Estel_ | drawbacks - You can't use hostmode, cause disabling and enabling bme with bq_batter.ko loaded result in instant reboot | 14:35 |
| Estel_ | there were patch avoiding it to live together wsith bme, but it was fucking done wrong | 14:35 |
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| Estel_ | and was disabled in KP47 and up | 14:35 |
| Estel_ | but, with Pali's module... | 14:35 |
| Estel_ | APM can be easily re-written to use this module instead of bq_.....ko | 14:36 |
| Estel_ | thats the proper way it should be done from beginning | 14:36 |
| Estel_ | but Nokiua implement bme to avoid open-source'ing it by adding it as kernel module (which must be Open) | 14:36 |
| vi_ | bme was done wrong. | 14:37 |
| vi_ | It totally hogs the i2c bus. | 14:37 |
| Estel_ | if someone - probably PAli and freeman - clear mess with hildon parts talking to bme, You can sayh bye bye bme | 14:37 |
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| vi_ | It is mind boggling. | 14:37 |
| Estel_ | yea. bq27x00_battery, if started at boot, enables path for bme | 14:37 |
| Estel_ | but, if bme gets disabled during runtime, and enabled again, it can't use same method again | 14:38 |
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| Estel_ | cause bme need exclusive access to i2c, and onlyh way to cheat it is during boot | 14:38 |
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| Estel_ | anyway, bq...ko isn't most beautiful code work You can imagine | 14:38 |
| vi_ | nokia designed a full system with charging chip and battery chip. Both which have an established method of useage and implementation on a linux type system. | 14:38 |
| vi_ | They then ignored all that and gave us the half assed hack job abortion that is BME that doesnt even work with their own hardware properly. | 14:39 |
| Estel_ | true, but, battery chip "should" sit in battery, which would make it harder to create dual-batteries. It shouldn't, but I'm sure battery manufacturers would lock battery chip | 14:39 |
| Estel_ | to avgoid/make harder recalibration for custom batteries | 14:39 |
| Estel_ | not to mention morfe expensive battery replacements | 14:39 |
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| Estel_ | so, at the end, if Pali succeed, we may end up in best scenario possible | 14:40 |
| vi_ | whether BQ chip should sit in battery or not is moot. It is a smart chip designed to learn the capacity of the cells it is managing. | 14:40 |
| Estel_ | battery made from cell + anti-shortcut simple PCB, and kernel module for talking with system | 14:40 |
| Estel_ | yea, but it can't handle swapping battery withouit reboot, if it's not sitting inside battery | 14:40 |
| vi_ | Estel_: heh, I have been looking for cells without protection IC to see if I can cram an even bigger cell in the hole. | 14:41 |
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| vi_ | Estel_: yeah it can | 14:41 |
| Estel_ | You can't. It's mujst-do to remove protection for a while, during manufgactureing dual-cell | 14:41 |
| Estel_ | vi_ - it can't, how? it suppose,m that it's always connected to battery | 14:42 |
| vi_ | Estel_: wait we are talking across topics here. | 14:42 |
| Estel_ | and it's parts are read-only, You can't "force" chip to start learning, without going to it's edv=1 voltage | 14:42 |
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| vi_ | Estel_: the n900 battery can be hot swapped. | 14:42 |
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| vi_ | Estel_: it isnt pretty | 14:42 |
| vi_ | Estel_: and the bq chip will be lost | 14:43 |
| vi_ | Estel_: and the bq chip will be los | 14:43 |
| Estel_ | You're talking about joerg_rw concept, but it's just proof-of | 14:43 |
| vi_ | Estel_: however it does work. | 14:43 |
| vi_ | ? | 14:43 |
| vi_ | no | 14:43 |
| vi_ | plug into power | 14:43 |
| vi_ | stop bme | 14:43 |
| vi_ | pull battery | 14:43 |
| Estel_ | thats joerg_rw concept ;) | 14:43 |
| vi_ | put in new battery | 14:43 |
| vi_ | start bme | 14:43 |
| Estel_ | yea,m but it works only if You reduce power usage to minimum | 14:43 |
| vi_ | works fine for me | 14:44 |
| Estel_ | more hassle than rebooting | 14:44 |
| vi_ | wifi on whatever | 14:44 |
| Estel_ | + risk of filesystem corruption if it runs out of power | 14:44 |
| Estel_ | hm | 14:44 |
| Estel_ | doesn't allow hotswap without external plug | 14:44 |
| vi_ | also battery does not NEED proctection IC. | 14:44 |
| Estel_ | unless You made DIY behemor containing 3th battery | 14:44 |
| Estel_ | scalled up to 5V and plugged into usb | 14:44 |
| Estel_ | I know it doesn't need it. Still, quite useful, in case of battery pins failing | 14:45 |
| Estel_ | I got one broken once. | 14:45 |
| vi_ | especially when you have the BQ chip | 14:45 |
| Estel_ | hm, battery expanding inside N900 due to bend/broken battery pin isn't fun for N900 eitherm, so I'll opt for prot. circuit | 14:45 |
| Estel_ | as for hotswap, I got different concept | 14:46 |
| vi_ | protection IC simply protects against 3.2V<battery<4.2V | 14:46 |
| Estel_ | it also protects about + and - connecting together | 14:46 |
| vi_ | which is done by BQ chip anyway. | 14:46 |
| vi_ | Estel_: what bone head would short a li-ion? | 14:46 |
| Estel_ | due to battery pins bending and going through weak wall of gum-like plastic that separates them ;) | 14:46 |
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| Estel_ | not bone head. Bat5tery pins can broke sometgimes, happened to me once | 14:46 |
| Estel_ | Impossible (almost) to detect, unless You plug it in N900 and it dxoesn't work | 14:47 |
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| Estel_ | In my case I've opened it and saw that small part of spring-like battery ping shorted | 14:47 |
| vi_ | The point is there is like an extra 3mm*75mm*38mm space for more electricity to fit in. | 14:47 |
| Estel_ | without protection circuit, it would be big bang | 14:47 |
| vi_ | a risk I am prepaired to take. | 14:48 |
| Estel_ | inside mugen cover, it doesn't matter, even withoiut prot circuit You can't pack up 3th battery | 14:48 |
| vi_ | ^7.5mm | 14:48 |
| Estel_ | I got different concept for hotswap | 14:48 |
| vi_ | using origninal cover? | 14:48 |
| Estel_ | 3th LiPo very small battery, can be even 100 mAh. No, using mugen cover | 14:48 |
| Estel_ | 2th lipo sitting all the time in mugen cover | 14:48 |
| Estel_ | connected via mechaqnical double switch | 14:48 |
| Estel_ | setting it to position 1 rfesult in shorting it with main battery for small fraction of second, and then, going exclusively on that backup battery | 14:49 |
| Estel_ | nbo risk of blow up or whatsnot | 14:49 |
| Estel_ | thenm, You replace battery | 14:49 |
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| Estel_ | and turn switch back to position 0, while it connect another time for 0,05 second, and goes extensively from normal battery | 14:50 |
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| Estel_ | backup lipo need charging once for half of year or so | 14:50 |
| Estel_ | transparebnt to system, can be done egven during highest load | 14:50 |
| Estel_ | battery chip gets confused, ŧhough, cause it treat all batteries as one big. | 14:50 |
| vi_ | Estel_: just wire mini-battery in series with to-be-swapped battery. | 14:51 |
| vi_ | job done. | 14:51 |
| vi_ | ^paralell | 14:51 |
| vi_ | oopz | 14:51 |
| Estel_ | nope | 14:52 |
| Estel_ | mini_battery need to have resistor | 14:52 |
| vi_ | Estel_: nope | 14:52 |
| Estel_ | between check pin abd ground | 14:52 |
| Estel_ | and* | 14:52 |
| Estel_ | without it, while taking old battery out... | 14:53 |
| Estel_ | BMI assume no battery is present, and shutdown ugly way | 14:53 |
| Estel_ | 10k or 100k Ohm resistor (i don't remember) is needed | 14:53 |
| Estel_ | it must be also operated via mentioned switch | 14:53 |
| Estel_ | so everything need to be soliud-connected to N900 battery pins | 14:53 |
| Estel_ | thats why backup mini-battery must sit inside cover all the time | 14:54 |
| Estel_ | BMI pin and ground pin can't lose set resistance during runtime | 14:54 |
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| Estel_ | thats why part of simple hotswap - pcb would be resistor, enabled only and together with backup battery | 14:55 |
| Estel_ | for 0,05 second resistance would get half (due to 2 same resistors connected in parallel), but it's harmless | 14:55 |
| Estel_ | BMI got quite a tolerance for that, anywa, it's just reading | 14:55 |
| Estel_ | in Mugen cover with dual-battery You got just enough space to fit small, thin hotswap lipo and it's pcb with switch | 14:56 |
| Estel_ | BTW, in incoming months my father is going to end up CNC computer-controlled unit (I'm notn setting linux machine to control it via EMC), so I'll be able to re-create N900 case using cooper or allum | 14:57 |
| Estel_ | painted in bl\ack or galvanized, it's goijng to rock ;) | 14:57 |
| Estel_ | can re-design mugen cover, to allow room for 3th battery = triple scud 4500 mAh and hotyswap | 14:57 |
| Estel_ | + I'm thinking abouyt including small heat-pipe from SoC to outer case, that would allow 100% safe overclocking higher than 900. Now, anything higher isn't sane frequency | 14:58 |
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| Estel_ | BTW, that'sw why freeman recalculated SR for up to 900 | 14:59 |
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| vi_ | Estel_: holy shit, I was just thinking over the last day or so...I wish I knew somone who could re-make the n900 housings out of billited aluminium. Thatd be sooooooweeeet. | 15:16 |
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| Estel_ | vi_, no problem, If it succeed, I'll offer making it for willig people on TMO, Ho ever, it would not be very cheap, due to need for solid blick of material drilled by CNC machine (quite much material "waste") | 15:24 |
| jaska | #define not very cheap | 15:25 |
| Estel_ | unfortunatelly, There aren't yet 3d printers using liquid metal, and efer if they're, I can't afford one | 15:25 |
| Estel_ | no idea, until I prepare prototype | 15:25 |
| Estel_ | but, keep in mind that it's goling to replace every plastic element (to sane level, I'm not going to replace keyboard, lol) with metal one + include something rouxching SoC as radiator and distributing heat to case. Also, it needs to contain gum elementm where touching PCB (isolation) | 15:27 |
| Estel_ | and in some places to avoid touching something even on quite bend-force applied | 15:28 |
| Estel_ | so, it's huge work, after setting cnc to drill it. I think best version would cost about 100$, so it's definitelly for N900 devoted-ones ;) | 15:28 |
| Estel_ | but don't worry, if any day I get mny hands on infra-red soldering station, I'm going to upgrade ram (half-joke) | 15:29 |
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| Estel_ | I think that cheaper versions, that replace only some easier-to-make external parts with metal, could be also an option | 15:30 |
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| Estel_ | I thought about sanding metal + painting it black, so it getsn good grip and look at the same time | 15:30 |
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| vi_ | Estel_: I know it would not be cheap. | 15:58 |
| vi_ | Estel_: $100 sounds reasonable! | 15:58 |
| vi_ | heh, it is all just dreams. | 15:58 |
| vi_ | ideally you would make battery cover and lower housing. Metal bit around the screen can be cleaned and polished by myself. | 15:59 |
| vi_ | oh, and keyboard surrond. | 16:00 |
| vi_ | heh, would be sweet. | 16:00 |
| vi_ | Actually, just a battery cover with a lump to balance out camera lump would do. | 16:00 |
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| vi_ | check this out: | 16:01 |
| vi_ | http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/215542553/lithium_ion_battery.html | 16:01 |
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| Estel_ | vi_, of course I'm not going to replace existing metal part around screen, no sane rationale for that. I thought about metal parts where they're now plastic, and where there is any sense in putting metal replacement | 16:43 |
| Estel_ | I agree, that it's dreaming right now, but I'm quite sure of putting it into action, as soon as CNC get finished. It's going to be quite precise one, especially for DYI. | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Estel_: I don't think you can get the POP RAM | 16:44 |
| Estel_ | me too, thats why ram was half joke, while N900 case is real ;P | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Estel_: From what I've looked into, the 1G compatible part (with no flash) was very limited production, and the 512/512 part is out of production | 16:45 |
| Estel_ | first of all I'm not going to get infra-red pro soldering station in foreseenable future, second, no idea where to get 1 GB compatible ram | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, you could bump to the 800MHz speed-grade of the processor too | 16:45 |
| Estel_ | I see | 16:45 |
| Estel_ | I think - in some parts - this would be more hassle than re-designing the board, especially, getting necessary parts | 16:46 |
| Estel_ | so we're talking about re-creating N900 plastic casing parts using metal and computer-controlled CNC I'm working on | 16:46 |
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| Estel_ | replacing RAM is pure dream ;) | 16:47 |
| RST38h | mghm | 16:47 |
| RST38h | what drugs are you doing, folks? | 16:47 |
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| chem|st | RST38h: coffee... just coffee | 16:57 |
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| chem|st | Estel_: it does not make any sense to cover any of the antennas with metal! | 16:58 |
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| vi_ | chem|st: lol, good point. | 17:11 |
| vi_ | chem|st: it would still look totally badass though. | 17:11 |
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| * ShadowJK would like to stiffen up the pcb against flexing, and keep plastic case as deformation zone / shock absorber | 17:13 | |
| Estel_ | chem|st, no worries, my project includes making case antenna itself ;) | 17:14 |
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| Estel_ | also, hirose u.fl connectors with regular connectors outside covers, for every possible antenna (and case as antenna for fmtx) | 17:15 |
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| Estel_ | ShadowJK, yea, thats why I've written about gum parts touching pcbm to avoid shortcuts and bendings. Except for part acting as radiator for SoC (with thermopaste applied) | 17:15 |
| Estel_ | RST38h, - idk what You mean exactly, but it looks like "unebliever slain him!" ;) | 17:16 |
| Estel_ | I don't see anything supernatural, about creating custom metalic case for N900 | 17:17 |
| Estel_ | antennas aren't problem with correct connecting, there are phones with metal cases already on market | 17:17 |
| vi_ | Estel_: iphone 4 for example. | 17:17 |
| Estel_ | not to mention my xpsm1530 notebook, which is also metalic, and got great wifi/bluetooth/gps/3G reception | 17:17 |
| Estel_ | the funniest thing is, that using CNC, I can easily screw fractal antenna inside cover ;) | 17:18 |
| Estel_ | anyway, I'm off for setting up emc2 for that CNC, see ya later | 17:18 |
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| chem|st | vi_: +1 I would want one if available in ~30eur range | 17:29 |
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| vi_ | chem|st: a iphone 4? | 17:44 |
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| chem|st | nope metal case | 17:48 |
| chem|st | iphone you have to pay me | 17:48 |
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| vi_ | Id take an iphone 4 in an instant | 18:05 |
| vi_ | Then I would sell it to buy another n900. | 18:05 |
| vi_ | iphone 4 has value, money value. Wot I can trade for n900s. | 18:06 |
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| louisdk | Hi. I've just updated a new N900 with the updates variable. After that I ran apt-get update, upgrade and dist-upgrade and after pressing Yes I saw that it removed some cirtical packages and then it just turned off. Now "flasher2 can't find it. When I plug in the power cable I get the Nokia logo on a black screen while pressing "U" but it can't detect it. | 18:12 |
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| kerio | so... it told you "wait, this will remove some critical packages" and you actually typed "yes, do as i say" and you wonder why stuff broke? | 18:29 |
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| louisdk | kerio: It did'nt told me that it would broke. I told med that many packages would be removed but was | 18:40 |
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| kerio | well you probably kinda fucked up your system there :( | 18:40 |
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| louisdk | I've tried this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware but "flasher" canøt find the phone. | 18:42 |
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| chem|st | louisdk: win or linux? | 18:45 |
| louisdk | linux | 18:46 |
| Sicelo | u followed the steps in the wiki? such as the 'u' key, etc? | 18:46 |
| louisdk | Sicelo: yes | 18:46 |
| chem|st | should work even without pressing the ukey | 18:46 |
| chem|st | what does dmesg say in the second you attach? | 18:47 |
| chem|st | how often did you try? | 18:47 |
| louisdk | [25645.144100] usb 2-2: new high speed USB device number 66 using ehci_hcd [25667.739511] usb 2-2: USB disconnect, device number 66 | 18:47 |
| louisdk | Many times | 18:48 |
| chem|st | hub in between? front usb? try te onboard one | 18:48 |
| Sicelo | and, are we sure the cable is good? | 18:48 |
| chem|st | good idea, different cable? | 18:48 |
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| louisdk | I've tried with a different cable and also a different battery. | 19:03 |
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| louisdk | flashing. Tried the FIASCO instead of emmc | 19:11 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 thinks estel had a wierd delusion at ~15..16 oclock CET | 19:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | metal case as antenna, haha nice | 19:26 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: why can't i embed a bigass antenna in a case? | 19:27 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer51: didn't apple try that one? | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah - "you fon't hold it correct" | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't* | 19:35 |
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| badcloud_ | can anyone recommend a video convert script for use on the n900? | 19:41 |
| hiemanshu | ffmpeg? | 19:42 |
| hiemanshu | its better you dont convert anything on a N900 though | 19:42 |
| badcloud_ | hiemanshu: oh? why not? | 19:42 |
| hiemanshu | processor is only 600mhz, vs 2.0ghz on a desktop machine | 19:43 |
| badcloud_ | hiemanshu: right | 19:43 |
| badcloud_ | makes sense | 19:43 |
| badcloud_ | thanks for the info | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | video cut sw - desperately missing | 19:45 |
| HaXeri | hiemanshu >2.0ghx on a desktop machine | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | transcode/covert - not so much | 19:45 |
| hiemanshu | HaXeri: not everyone has the latest machines :P | 19:46 |
| HaXeri | in finland we get those 2.0ghz machines from dumpster | 19:46 |
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| Macer | hahaha | 19:51 |
| Macer | awesome | 19:51 |
| ShadowJK | CPU clock speeds have more or less been 2Ghz for the last 5 years | 19:54 |
| HaXeri | more cores | 19:54 |
| ShadowJK | Not just cores | 19:54 |
| ShadowJK | The processing capabilities of a single core has gone up but clock speed has remained mostly the same | 19:56 |
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| Proteous | "work done per hertz" :P | 20:00 |
| Proteous | WDPH for short | 20:01 |
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| badcloud_ | how do I select and copy text from n900's generic web browser? | 20:26 |
| Juozapas | ctrl c ? | 20:27 |
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| badcloud_ | Juozapas: how would you select the text then | 20:27 |
| Juozapas | ctrl a for all text | 20:28 |
| badcloud_ | Juozapas: and for some? | 20:28 |
| Sicelo | u activate hover mode | 20:28 |
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| badcloud_ | Sicelo: how | 20:28 |
| Juozapas | finger on the left bottom coner | 20:28 |
| Juozapas | slide it | 20:28 |
| Sicelo | swipe from left to right, then a small mouse will appear..hit that | 20:29 |
| Juozapas | yep | 20:29 |
| Sicelo | then u have a pointer on the screen | 20:29 |
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| badcloud_ | many thanks Sicelo Juozapas | 20:30 |
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| Juozapas | np | 20:30 |
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| trumee | Anybody facing issues with bluetooth headset witk kernel power like here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1108937&postcount=146 ? | 21:21 |
| trumee | My BH 214 headset doesnt work well with kernel power and seems nobody knows why | 21:22 |
| Sicelo | according to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=983578&postcount=1 , it is a known problem. i'm on KP47 and still haveing a hard time deciding whether or not i install KP49 | 21:23 |
| trumee | Sicelo: i am still with KP48 | 21:27 |
| trumee | Sicelo: KP47 doesnt have bluetooth issues? | 21:28 |
| Sicelo | not too sure when it comes to headsets. i really wouldn't even have KP if i didn't use h-e-n | 21:30 |
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| FireFly | Hi. I'm trying to start Nokia Maps from xterm, but I can't get it to work properly. I've looked at the nokia-maps.desktop file, and if I run what's set as the "Exec" entry (which I assume is the command that the desktop button runs), I get output indicating that it's starting, but I don't get any window. What am I missing? | 22:23 |
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| badcloud_ | hey all | 23:09 |
| badcloud_ | I'm hellbent on converting a very heavy quicktime movie natively on my n900 | 23:09 |
| badcloud_ | I tried the first command line from the wiki (manual conversion section) | 23:10 |
| badcloud_ | but it stopped in the middle for some reason and audio was out of sync | 23:10 |
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| badcloud_ | http://pastebin.com/ZXQftG6b | 23:14 |
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| badcloud_ | ^ "ffmpeg -i"'s output | 23:14 |
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| chem|st | humm | 23:20 |
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| chem|st | badcloud_: what is your command? | 23:25 |
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| chem|st | you have a h.264 .mov with pcm audio... | 23:26 |
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| badcloud_ | any tips on how to natively convert this vid (http://pastebin.com/ZXQftG6b) on the n900? | 23:27 |
| chem|st | ffmpeg? | 23:28 |
| chem|st | it is just out of sync | 23:28 |
| badcloud_ | chem|st: what is | 23:28 |
| chem|st | so how about -acodec copy? so it does not touch it | 23:28 |
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| badcloud_ | I'll try that | 23:29 |
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| badcloud_ | thanks | 23:29 |
| chem|st | I had the out of sync issue on my pc once but cannot remember | 23:29 |
| r00t|home | what do you want to convert it TO anyway? | 23:29 |
| r00t|home | and a/v sync problems are very common when converting video, there's no single cause... | 23:29 |
| badcloud_ | r00t|home: any format which will play easily on the device | 23:29 |
| chem|st | h.264 should do, .mov is just the container | 23:30 |
| r00t|home | it is in h264 already, so... | 23:31 |
| badcloud_ | so basically reducing the vid res should do | 23:31 |
| chem|st | yeah | 23:31 |
| chem|st | but 720x486 should work too | 23:32 |
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| r00t|home | it seems a bit silly to want to fix the a/v sync problem right on the n900... i'd rather try on a pc first where you have much more tools at hand... | 23:33 |
| chem|st | you should reduce the audio.. 1536kb/s is a bit too much | 23:34 |
| chem|st | +1\ | 23:34 |
| badcloud_ | chem|st: without oc, video doesn' play well | 23:34 |
| chem|st | badcloud_: no OC in my world, apart of high-end graphics mining bitcoins... | 23:35 |
| r00t|home | chem|st: it's uncompressed, so who cares as long as the storage can keep up... | 23:35 |
| chem|st | r00t|home: does the storage keep up? | 23:35 |
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| r00t|home | ask him ;) | 23:36 |
| chem|st | badcloud_: are you reading from internal storage or sd? | 23:36 |
| badcloud_ | 16gb microsd | 23:36 |
| r00t|home | chem|st: but it's only slightly more than cd-audio... 150kbit/s is a joke really... | 23:36 |
| r00t|home | *kbyte | 23:37 |
| chem|st | r00t|home: true | 23:37 |
| badcloud_ | considerable read/write speed difference between internal storage and usd? | 23:37 |
| chem|st | might be but r00t|home is right it should not matter | 23:37 |
| badcloud_ | ah okay | 23:38 |
| chem|st | are you using mediaplayer or something else? | 23:39 |
| r00t|home | badcloud_: why don't you try converting on a pc first, to find a tool/version/settting that works, and then try those on your n900? | 23:39 |
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| badcloud_ | r00t|home: good idea | 23:40 |
| r00t|home | ... | 23:40 |
| badcloud_ | I'm not near my laptop | 23:40 |
| r00t|home | you could also try another player there easily, to see if that makes a difference | 23:41 |
| badcloud_ | right | 23:41 |
| r00t|home | video is always a bit of black magic to get working correctly... | 23:41 |
| badcloud_ | I'll give it a whirl soon | 23:41 |
| badcloud_ | thanks | 23:41 |
| chem|st | r00t|home: Hands is about the same but the audo is mp3 with 32kbit/s | 23:41 |
| badcloud_ | chem|st: hands? | 23:42 |
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| chem|st | badcloud_: and I would go for mencoder but that is personal preference | 23:42 |
| chem|st | nokia hands | 23:42 |
| chem|st | oh and the container is avi and not .mov | 23:42 |
| badcloud_ | ah | 23:43 |
| badcloud_ | how many of you guys are disappointed with nes/snes emulation? | 23:44 |
| badcloud_ | sound in particular | 23:45 |
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