IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-12-04

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DocScrutinizer#meego:313, #maemo:31500:29
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DocScrutinizer#mer: 16200:30
DocScrutinizerworld seems top down00:30
DocScrutinizeror maybe not00:30
DocScrutinizeron a sidenote: looking at mva's real user name I friggin wonder how anybody could read those weird arab fonts unless at least at 28pt00:32
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ShadowJKThey're probably readable at 6pt as long as you have sufficient dpi ;-)00:36
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jonwil~seen mohammadag02:55
infobotmohammadag is currently on #maemo (5d 6h 37m 3s) #harmattan (5d 6h 37m 3s) #meego (5d 6h 37m 3s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 3d 7h 43m 49s, last said: 'icons is a valid plural, no need for an S :P'.02:55
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luke-jr>>> Emerging (31 of 73) kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.6.503:02
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Rictoohey guys03:08
Rictoois anyone out there interested in reversing the whatsapp protocol?03:08
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Rictooor has at least made some development on it and can offer tips?03:09
* SpeedEvil passes Rictoo the ppastahw protocol.03:09
SpeedEvilJob done!03:09
Rictoo:|03:09
Rictoohaha03:10
Rictoosniffing the traffic shows that it's all occurring on port 443 even though xampp should be on 522203:10
Rictooi've deobfuscated the client and reversed the crappy string encryption they have going03:11
Rictooso i know some (albeit useless) information03:11
Rictoobut i'm having a hard time following the flow of the code since i'm not so adept at reverse engineering03:11
SpeedEvil:) :(03:12
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Rictoopretty much how i'm feeling03:12
Rictoowell anyway, im off to bed. if anyone knows anything about the whatsapp protocol, feel free to pm me.03:13
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RictooSc0rpius, I saw you talkng about it in the irc logs03:14
luke-jrRictoo: uh, what?03:21
Rictooluke-jr, ?03:22
Rictooerr03:22
Rictoos/xampp/xmmp03:22
luke-jrsounds like standard XMPP, over SSL…03:22
Rictooyeah, i tried communicating with it using the details i found in the client, but the server is not respondig to me03:23
Rictoo<stream:stream to="s.whatsapp.net" version="1.0" xmlns="jabber:client" xmlns:stream="http://etherx.jabber.org/streams">03:23
Rictoo<stream:features/> and another line of <auth xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-sasl' mechanism='DIGEST-MD5-1'/>03:24
Rictoobut the server produces no response (same sent to google's xmmp for example does yield a response)03:24
luke-jrmeh, who cares?03:24
luke-jrjust use standard XMPP :P03:25
Rictoodoesn't work either03:25
luke-jrI mean ignore WhatsApp03:25
Rictooim trying to reverse it for fun03:25
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DocScrutinizerI'm not even googling wtf might be WhatsApp, for fun04:28
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newbie007hi, I'm having trouble with the gps system on my n900. I think it started after I did an update to Maemo 5. GPSjinni (and other programs) report the same lat / long no matter where I am. And I believe it is not connecting to any satelites. Is there a way to dianose or correct this problem.04:45
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SpeedEvilCheck the time is right.04:46
ShadowJKif there are no green signal bars in "Satellites" in gpsjinni, you're not getting a gps signal04:47
newbie007SpeedEvil: the time is correct, and I believe it ahways has been (if that was to me)04:47
newbie007ShadowJK: I have 3 red circles04:47
newbie007sorry, I mean I have 4 grey bars at 15%04:48
newbie007well between 1 and 4 always at 15%04:48
luke-jrMy N900 refuses to keep proper time anymore -.-04:48
ShadowJKWell you need like 4 at over 50%04:48
newbie007as I recall when I first got the n900 (worlds most awesome phone btw) the gps didn't work at least not well after an update it worked great almost always. That is why I suspect it was the update that caused the problems. It has been consistantly not working for the last week04:49
LaoLang_coolHow to export/import between n900 and outlook without nokia suite?04:50
luke-jrnewbie007: N900 isn't a phone.04:50
LaoLang_coolexport/import contacts04:50
newbie007I second that04:50
luke-jrnewbie007: try changing your SUPL server04:50
ShadowJKThe maemo update didn't change anything related to gps04:50
newbie007hmm :/04:50
ShadowJKBut, operators are known to block supl servers, nokia's supl servers are known to break, and google's supl server allegedly now rejects n90004:50
newbie007luke-jr are you saying I should # sudo gpsjinni ?04:50
ShadowJKwhat04:51
newbie007I'm not sure what a supl level is04:51
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ShadowJKit's a server not a level04:51
newbie007sorry it's been a long day. Is that something I can change?04:52
newbie007ah I see it is set to supl.nokia.com04:52
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LaoLang_cools/nokia/google/ will be fine04:53
newbie007I can ping it04:53
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newbie007supl.google.com returned an error message04:54
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DocScrutinizernewbie007: set supl.google.com, enable AGPS, make sure you got correct time, internet connection, preferably a SIM for getting rough idea of continent you're on, correct time again (!), and free view to the sky from left to right and front to aft. then place the device on stand on a table or hold it like it was on a table and not cover upside with your hand, and WAIT04:55
DocScrutinizerooh, and get location test app04:55
newbie007thanks04:55
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: WUT? google rejects N900?04:56
DocScrutinizerWTF?!04:56
newbie007well,, on second try it did work04:56
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, dunno i just vaguely remember people switching back to supl.nokia because google didnt work anymore04:57
newbie007and now I'm getting data04:57
newbie007I don't like the idea of using google though04:57
DocScrutinizerhmm, I guess google just occasionally got load issues04:57
newbie007does anyone know what data I'm sending to google?04:57
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DocScrutinizerbasically your location04:58
newbie007:/ I think I'd perfer a broken connection to nokia04:58
DocScrutinizerplus maybe info about your device, your visible neighbour WLANs and your GSM carrier04:58
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jpinxand the latest sites you visited? ;)04:59
DocScrutinizerno way05:01
jpinxDocScrutinizer: as a matter of curiosity - can their system see where a sim card is if it is connected on roaming services from another continent?05:01
* DocScrutinizer waits for >>Dear Nokia customer, this week it's been our supl servers that got rooted. But we promise there's been no *sensitive* data on them<<05:02
DocScrutinizererr, though I'm not exactly sure about your question, the answer is probably "No"05:03
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newbie007I think it would take a network sniff to figure it out, I would hope that it would send something like a set of tower id's and be returned a set of gps coordinates which the phone then uses to triangulate it's position05:03
DocScrutinizernot exactly05:03
psycho_oreosyou can always dump packets when data is being sent to and from the supl server and device05:04
DocScrutinizersupl is a) well defined, and b) probably not sending back cords of cell towers, rather it sends back the estimated coords of *you* plus the related almanach and ephemeris data05:05
luke-jr[21:50:53] <ShadowJK> But, operators are known to block supl servers, nokia's supl servers are known to break, and google's supl server allegedly now rejects n900 <-- it does? :/05:05
lxpi just found an interessting project if you want to investigate that thing a little bit more: http://www.tajuma.com/supl/index.html05:05
DocScrutinizerand c) as psycho_oreos says it only needs tcpdump to be sure05:05
luke-jrwhere do these SUPL servers get their data?05:06
luke-jrcan I run my own?05:06
DocScrutinizersure05:06
luke-jror would I need another GPS to download the data for it?05:07
DocScrutinizerdepends, there are internet borne services for supl data ;-D05:08
newbie007here is some data on it, looks like there are 2 different protocols on it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS05:09
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DocScrutinizerand I guess even the NOAA or whatever the ETLA for that organization running american GPS will probably also provide some way to get alm and ephem05:09
DocScrutinizerooh you want some link? good link?05:10
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DocScrutinizerhere you are: http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/gps_f.html05:11
SpeedEvilThat is not a GPS in a box.05:11
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SpeedEvila server you can run05:11
newbie007I think this is the meat of it: http://www.openmobilealliance.org%2Ftechnical%2Frelease_program%2Fsupl_v2_0.aspx05:11
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* luke-jr wonders what newbie007 did to make that URI somehow "improperly formatted" O.o05:13
DocScrutinizeranyway the last really god data doesn't come via sat, you need real receivers to calculate atmospheric correction factors based on skew between two RF bands sent05:14
newbie007there is a pdf on that site that has the structs it seems to can specifiy the number of satelites you want, accuracy level - looks complicated05:15
SpeedEvilluke-jrthe first / being escaped probably trips warning flags, as that's a common malware idea05:16
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newbie007thanks for the help everyone!05:16
DocScrutinizeryw05:17
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: tbh I still don't get it - on GTA02 I used to adjust my HW-clock time by cranking up GPS, after swapping battery05:19
DocScrutinizernever took longer than 60s, even when time been extremely off (like 1970)05:19
SpeedEvilindeed05:19
SpeedEvilIt shouldn't do this, if cold-started.05:19
SpeedEvilOnly if it's trying to warm-start, and doing it WRONG05:19
DocScrutinizeryep05:20
SpeedEvilFor example, using the ephemerides or almanac data for a time-period before they are valid.05:20
DocScrutinizerit *thinks* it got time while it doesn't - disabling AGPS might actually help05:20
DocScrutinizerso maybe time off by an hour is worse than time ff by years?05:22
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DocScrutinizerafter all time off by years *should* invalidate both stored alm/eph as well as supl requests which btw should also return proper time for your TZ05:23
DocScrutinizerseems somebody at Nokia didn't really get the catch of (A)GPS05:25
DocScrutinizerand since quite some time05:26
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* luke-jr wonders why ntpd refuses to fix the clock when it's totally out of wack05:51
SpeedEvilIt did eventually for me05:55
SpeedEvilit took a little bit though05:55
merlin_1991on debian I had to set the clock myself, because ntpd couldn't set it anymore05:56
merlin_1991syslog was full of time adjust difference is too big crap05:56
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: because it refuses to do so, unles you give option -foo05:56
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: I couldn't find this documented. Any details?05:57
DocScrutinizerI.E. it's a feature, not a bug05:57
DocScrutinizerRTFManpage05:57
luke-jrI did.05:57
DocScrutinizero.O05:57
luke-jrlooking again, I see it05:58
luke-jrmaybe I was looking on another system with older ntpd :/05:58
* luke-jr ponders the best way to get at his N81005:59
DocScrutinizer>>... or for some reason its time is more than  1000s  from  the  server  time,  ntpd       assumes something must be terribly wrong and the only reliable action is for the operator to intervene and set the       clock by hand. This causes ntpd  to exit...<<05:59
SpeedEvilOdd06:01
SpeedEvilI seemed to recall it working06:01
SpeedEvilMaybe I did set the clock06:01
luke-jr--panicgate :P06:04
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DocScrutinizeryay, ok, so here's the other half, for your convenience: >> The  -g   option  overrides  this       check  and  the clock will be set to the server time regardless of the chip time.  However, and to protect against       broken hardware, such as when the CMOS battery fails or the clock counter becomes defective, once  the  clock  has       been set, an error greater than 1000s will cause ntpd  to exit anyway.06:11
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DocScrutinizerntpd -qg&&hwclock --systohc; in ifup should usually do06:14
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: my N810 has no network.06:19
luke-jrI configured ntpd to get the time from gpsd :p06:19
luke-jranyhow, -g is just the short form of the --panicgate I mentioned06:19
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luke-jr>>> Emerging (58 of 73) kde-base/kdnssd-4.6.506:21
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luke-jrhmm06:26
luke-jrit looks like maybe I *didn't* destroy my N810's battery after all?06:26
SpeedEvil:)06:26
luke-jrI left it running Maemo4 out in the car, and it hasn't shutdown yet…06:26
luke-jrso BME hates Gentoo? :/06:26
luke-jrany way to check BME's battery status from Maemo4 CLI?06:27
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: wait... you say you're using GPS on a N810 without internet connectivity and thus without AGPS, to set your systime which is off more than 1000s?06:35
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: yes, why?06:35
DocScrutinizerI think I never got a fix or just time from GPS on N810, without working AGPS06:35
DocScrutinizereven with AGPS it often seemed more broken than working06:36
luke-jryeah, I think it needs a fix to give me the time. :/06:36
luke-jrand it takes 5-10 mins at least to get the fix06:36
DocScrutinizerand it needs time to get a fix :-P06:36
luke-jrno, it doesn't…06:36
DocScrutinizeraah, ok, that might work, yeah06:36
luke-jrI have it plugged into my car, and it just runs kismet in the background by default06:37
DocScrutinizer10 minutes, plain sky view, not moving device...06:37
luke-jr(which is why I need to sit down in the car, and turn it off to access over SSH)06:37
luke-jrno, it's moving :P06:37
luke-jrmoving always helped me get a fix faster actually06:38
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dangergrrlhmm07:41
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dangergrrli didn't think about that, fail :(07:41
dangergrrli was gonna try to use the n900 as a reference clock after i buy a real wifi adapter07:42
dangergrrlbut it probably won't get a fix inside07:42
luke-jr>_<07:42
luke-jrdangergrrl: depends on the building, actually07:42
luke-jrmy last house, I always got a fix07:42
dangergrrloh, maybe it will work then07:43
dangergrrli suppose *any* usb wifi adapter will be higher power than n900?07:43
psycho_oreosnot really07:44
psycho_oreosyou have specialised ones such as alfa whom makes high powered USB wifi adapter07:44
dangergrrlwas looking at some that claim 2000mw with 9dbi antennas07:44
dangergrrli get about 50% packet loss most of the time using the n900 as a usb<->wifi router07:44
dangergrrlnot really?07:44
dangergrrlthat was an alfa07:45
dangergrrlAWUS036NHR07:45
psycho_oreosremember that N900 goes up to 100mW, which is at least the equivalent of a PCI/PCIe based wireless card. iinm USB wireless dongles goes up to 30mW (and generally el-cheapo ones)07:46
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dangergrrlbut i have never noticed me being able to get wifi on the n900 when someone next to me with a laptop could not07:46
dangergrrlusually if i have nets and they don't, i have gsm07:46
psycho_oreoswell their laptop may have issues07:47
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dangergrrlthe alfa AWUS036NHR is like $43 from amazon but it claims 2000mw07:48
dangergrrlmost of the time i am getting about 50% packet loss on the n90007:49
psycho_oreospacket loss could be caused by various factors07:50
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psycho_oreosplus.. the N900's antenna is similar to that found in laptops.. i.e. directional. Most USB wireless dongles with detachable antenna are usually omnidirectional and so therefore may have better coverage if the AP is actually nearby07:51
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dangergrrlit is directional?07:56
dangergrrldoes google know which way it points? :)07:56
psycho_oreosis what directional?07:56
dangergrrlthe n900 wifi antenna07:56
psycho_oreosgoogle doesn't care which way the device is pointing07:56
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dangergrrlno, but it might have a picture07:57
psycho_oreoshave a look at the schematics and study wireless07:57
dangergrrlso i know what way to point it07:57
psycho_oreosif you want google to care so much about you, you should have gotten an android device.. heck leave the stock ROM on it and enjoy carrierIQ07:59
mvaDocScrutinizer: Droid or DejaVu fonts works okay even with arabic or japanese fonts08:01
Macerhi!08:01
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dangergrrl\i don't care what google thinks of me as long as it finds me a picture or diagram so i can figure which direction to point towards the WAP08:09
trampwhat O_o08:13
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dangergrrlif it is directional, the users guide nor the service/disassembly manual really help, it's above the camera but ...08:31
dangergrrli have it where i don't really need to see the screen i can just turn it different directions and count packet loss...08:31
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psycho_oreosno it actually does help to know where the antenna is and probably even the test points08:57
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jonwil~seen mohammadag09:17
infobotmohammadag is currently on #maemo (5d 12h 58m 52s) #harmattan (5d 12h 58m 52s) #meego (5d 12h 58m 52s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 3d 14h 5m 38s, last said: 'icons is a valid plural, no need for an S :P'.09:17
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nealmassoud: I have touched the oauth code in Khweeteur, however, I think it is just using the standard python oauth2 modules.11:45
nealmassoud: I'd suggest looking at what it is doing.  If you can figure it out, that would be great.11:45
nealmassoud: BTW, if you mean you can't get the internal browser window to submit, you just need to click on the submit button a few times and it will eventually work.11:46
nealmassoud: It's a bit annoying, but I've noticed that other programs have the same problem.11:46
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nealmerlin_1991, jonwil: You can get cell tower information by listening for the  com.nokia.phone.net /com/nokia/phone/net Phone.Net.cell_info_change signal on the system bus.12:01
jonwilI know exactly that12:02
jonwilI know all about com.nokia.phone.net12:02
nealmerlin_1991, jonwil: The default n900 doesn't enable getting neighbor cells, however, there is n900 code in ofono for getting cell ids.12:02
neal+neighbor12:02
jonwilok12:03
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nealmerlin_1991, jonwil: Unfortunately, the ofono code is rather difficult to follow due to the use of continuations (and C's lack of elegant support for them) and the Linux phonet API lacks documentation.12:05
jonwilIf someone can find which cellmo calls its making, that could allow you to figure out how it works12:06
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nealmerlin_1991, jonwil: Here is the relevant patch: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.ofono/923812:07
neal(the one that adds support ofr cell neighbors to ofono's isimodem driver)12:07
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jonwilI have no idea how to do anything with that on the N90012:17
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jonwilaha, I said "ok, it appears that the N900 does not have the right PN_NETWORK resource version to support NET_NEIGHBOUR_CELLS" in the past12:20
jonwilThe patch may be for other isi/phonet modems e.g. n9[50]12:20
jonwilall I know is that I said that the N900 doesn't support it12:21
jonwiland I wouldn't have said it without a reason12:21
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trampHello.12:26
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ShadowJKDoes anyone know if N900 calender entries are converted to utc when you enter them, or if they're stored in localtime?12:34
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nealI'd appreciate it if people could check my packages so they can enter testing12:42
ShadowJKgrrr.  modest not showing folders12:42
nealhttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/murmeltier/0.4~2011120312:42
nealhttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/apt-woodchuck/0.4~2011120312:43
neal^ jonwil12:43
nealthanks.12:43
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ShadowJKoh, something has subscfribed to one folder so now modest doesn't show the other folders12:46
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trampShadowJK: Test the calendar yourself. Create an entry set to alert you very soon. Then, change your timezone, but reset the time back to your current time, and see if the calendar still alerts you. If it does, then it stores them in localtime. If it does not alert you, then it stores times in UTC.13:11
* ShadowJK thinks13:12
trampActually, be sure to set the time back first, then set the timezone forward13:12
ShadowJK"reset time back to current time", you mean set incorrect time?13:12
trampincorrect for the new timezone, but correct for your current time13:13
ShadowJKit's not correct if I set clock to 1313UTC when the time is 1313 EET? :/13:14
trampIt doesn't really have to be correct time, so long as the timezone has changed, and the actual time has also changed.13:14
ShadowJKThe reason I asked is because I was entering travel plans into calendar, and will be going from EST to CET and back13:15
trampFor example, suppose the time is 0800 CST. Set the time to 0700 CST. Then, change the timezone to EST.13:15
trampThe time will then read 0800, but it will be in a different timezone.13:15
trampThis test should tell you.13:16
* ShadowJK thinks13:16
trampI assume you (or the phone) will be changing the phones timezone when you travel. Just simulate the event.13:17
tramp...as described above.13:17
tramp:)13:18
trampLet me know the results.13:19
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ShadowJKok, changed from gmt+2 to gmt+1. Time is now 12:21. I'll set calendar event for 13.25, switch back to gmt+2. If event is stored as gmt, I'll get alarm in an hour. If not, alarm in a few minutes?13:22
Paliping X-Fade13:23
ShadowJKHeh, the event jumped to 14:25 in calendar13:23
ShadowJKexcellent13:23
Pali~seen X-Fade13:24
infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo (4d 20h 48m 1s) #harmattan (4d 20h 48m 1s) #meego (4d 20h 48m 1s). Has said a total of 115 messages. Is idling for 1d 20h 25m 16s, last said: 'Some backup/restore iteration, I guess.'.13:24
trampShadowJK: So the calendar stores times in UTC and is timezone aware. Great.13:25
ShadowJKit's not tz aware i think13:25
ShadowJKI'd suspect it stores as unix time ;p13:25
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trampYou changed the timezone, and the times of the entries changed as well.13:26
trampThat means the times were stored independent of the timezone.13:27
ShadowJKyes13:27
ShadowJKIt's harder to do it other way around I think13:27
ShadowJKBut I was afraid some "designer" would've mandated it13:28
trampThat is the ideal behavior, as the absolute time of the entry never changes, but I see how it makes it harder to plan.13:28
trampAre we on the same page?13:29
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ShadowJKeh not harder, just I want to know which behaviour it has13:29
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trampI wish I could get these wifi drivers working in Ubuntu, so I could be building packages.13:30
tramp(not that I need the internet to build packages, but going without it is unthinkable)13:32
trampndiswrapper is supposed to work with WUSB11v4, but wlan0 never appears in ifconfig.13:32
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LaoLang_coolI notice gps doesn't work properly after install some apps, I can't know which app can make it be non-functional15:02
Sicelonetwork-assisted, or on its own?15:05
Sicelofor network assisted, better use supl.google.com in place of supl.nokia.com15:05
LaoLang_coolSicelo: without network assisted15:07
LaoLang_coolgps is always try to search gps all the time without success15:08
Sicelobtw, having a working sim card in device, even if u don't have assisted gps, will reduce time till fix15:10
LaoLang_coolyes, sim card is in device15:13
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pabs3Sicelo: why is that?15:26
Sicelo~rrlp15:32
infobotit has been said that rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP15:32
Sicelopabs3: ^^15:32
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keriohm, is there a reason why that wouldn't work without a sim?16:13
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Siceloi dunno. but, without sim, isn't gsm radio switched off?16:19
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luke-jrSicelo: shouldn't be, it's still needed for emergency calls16:29
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sanovahi all17:01
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sanovais there an application for maemo like location2sms for meego? i can not find nothing (for maemo) to send my current position throught sms17:02
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aholler_so you found something? ;)17:03
sanovaaholler_: yes but my n900 has maemo not meego :)17:03
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sanovai have also tried to install deb package in maemo but it doesn't work17:04
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mikki-kunsanova: there is iirc some software which sends your location via sms17:12
mikki-kuni'll try to search it17:13
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: other than with SIM, on 911 cals the mobile equipment doesn't sign in to the carrier network17:45
DocScrutinizerSIMfree 911 calls are a tad different17:45
DocScrutinizerthe whole GSM stack works in a special mode for SIMfree17:46
dm8tbralso some networks stopped accepting those17:47
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DocScrutinizereven on BTS there are happening amazing things for SIMfree: the BTS allocates a whole channel with all its (8, 16?) timeslots exclusively to to the 911 call, possibly hard disconnecting other calls to do so17:48
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DocScrutinizerthey probably have to do this due to TA and general timing pace for timeslots not being established when mobile equipment not booked in to the BTS17:49
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sanovamikki-kun: thanks18:16
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mikki-kunsanova: there seems to be panicbutton which sends your coords via sms to a certain person at the press of a button and then there might be smscon for that as well :)18:20
mikki-kunsorry, was a tad distracted ;)18:20
Sicelo_anyone with Easy Debian? how do i use the blue keys, eg, numbers?18:22
sanova smscon does many other things.. i prefere something simplier. iirc is not in the repository. i'm looking for panicbutton18:25
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Sicelo_i checked easy debain wiki, and searched tmo, but seems that's mostly about F1-F12 on pc keyboard, and using special keymaps. all i need is to be able to use the basic blue characters18:39
Sicelo_s/debain/debian/18:40
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Freak5Since there really seems to be no way to get a N950, is there a way to add a keyboard to the N9?18:42
Freak5Something which can be connected, I mean?18:42
Freak5If there is a keyboard, which can be physically attached, the N9 would be quite equivalent to the N950, wouldn't it?18:43
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dm8tbrFreak5: you can get a bluetooth kbd working18:44
dm8tbrFreak5: usb-hid would be harder as it would require custom cabling and a custom kernel18:45
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Freak5Yeah, that seams to be the only way, but is there a better way than duct tape to attach it?18:46
Freak5I am not sure but I am thinking about a custum kernel sooner or later, but for the kbd bluetooth would probably be best due to space reasons18:47
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dm8tbrget a su-8w or somesuch, has a stand for the device18:50
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sanovapanicbutton semms to be great, but i'm not able to add a contact or digit the extent phone number. Which concats it uses?19:43
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luke-jrdm8tbr: I'm pretty sure it's illegal to refuse a 911 call19:56
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Jartzahmmh20:00
Jartzais there something wrong in n90020:01
Jartza...n900's "type" command?20:01
Jartza$ type foo.txt20:01
Jartzafoo.txt: Not found20:01
ShadowJKit's called cat in *nix20:01
Jartzasame for every file20:01
Jartzaeven if I try "type *" it just lists all the files in the folder, saying "not found"20:02
JartzaShadowJK: no it's not, if you're trying to find out file type :)20:02
* DocScrutinizer MEEOW20:02
lxp1have you tried $ file foo.txt20:03
luke-jrJartza: there is no standard *nix command 'type'20:04
Jartzaahhh... sorry, yes... messed that up :D20:04
ShadowJKtype seems to be busybox, it's probably not compiled with it, or supposed to do something else20:04
luke-jractually20:04
luke-jr'type' is a command, but not what you describe20:04
Jartzahow on earth I thought "file" was "type" is unknown to me :D20:04
luke-jr'type <foo>' tells you what the command <foo> would do20:04
DocScrutinizertype tells about type of a function/alias20:05
luke-jr$ type ls20:05
luke-jrls is aliased to `ls --color=auto'20:05
Jartzaalthough there is no "file" in maemo, it seems20:05
DocScrutinizerit doesn't "type" (aka print) anything20:05
Jartzayes, I just somehow got those 2 mixed up.20:06
DocScrutinizerJartza: there's maybe no file cmd in messybox20:06
Jartzaseems so.20:06
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache policy file20:07
DocScrutinizerfile:20:07
DocScrutinizer  Installed: 4.12-1osso20:07
Jartzayeah, I'm just installing it20:08
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dm8tbrluke-jr: actually that was govt regulation in at least one country IIRC20:14
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DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: ?20:25
DocScrutinizerthe dropped SIMless support?20:25
dm8tbr*nod*20:26
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dm8tbrofficial german govt document http://www.bundesrat.de/cln_090/SharedDocs/Drucksachen/2008/0901-1000/967-08,templateId%3Draw,property%3DpublicationFile.pdf/967-08.pdf20:35
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vi__xkb, why the dickens does this not work?20:42
vi__key <BKSP>  { [     BackSpace,      Escape,         Backspace,      F12             ] };20:42
vi__Backspace works20:42
vi__Escape works (shift+BS)20:43
vi__F12 works (blue+shift)20:43
vi__2nd BS does not!20:43
vi__it should be blue+BS20:43
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vi__however other sy,bols work.20:45
vi__So if I make it:20:45
vi__key <BKSP>  { [     BackSpace,      Escape,         Escape,      F12             ] };20:45
vi__it all works.20:45
vi__blue+shift==escape20:45
vi__so WTF does BS not work with blue?????20:46
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vi__lol wot20:49
vi__it is BackSpace20:49
vi__BackSpace!= Backspace|backspace20:50
vi__FU XKB20:50
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Freak5dm8tbr: I search for something like this: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?s=b0b4d8ac3f6a6d0326e5bbba1262f05a&attachmentid=21242&stc=1&d=131004624820:56
Freak5But the other keyboard is cool, too.20:56
Freak5I haven't thought about the big solution, but it might be nice for bigger breaks.20:56
Paliping DocScrutinizer21:03
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DocScrutinizerPali: pong21:11
DocScrutinizeror a minute21:11
PaliDocScrutinizer, I updated my work on bq2415x driver, see http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/bq2415x/21:12
DocScrutinizerok, as soon as I find some spare time21:12
Palibut it is still not complete21:12
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Palicode is devided into 2 two parts: bq2415x.ko (only export regulator, led, ioctl, sysfs interface + symbols) and bq2415x_charger.ko (power supply  interface, where should be all other like auto watchdog, charging...)21:15
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Paliping X-Fade21:25
Pali~seen X-Fade21:28
Paliinfobot is offline...21:30
Paliping lxp121:31
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vi__Pali: yo21:32
Palivi__: hi21:32
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vi__I am thoroughly enjoying the fruits of your work WRT kernel power.  Cheers.21:33
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DocScrutinizerPali: I have to admit I got no clue about regulator, led, ioctl21:51
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Paliled is exported EN_STAT register21:53
Paliin regulators will be exported voltage registers21:53
DocScrutinizerooh, so I'm not an expert for this kinda stuff, completely different to what I thought it should look like21:54
Paliand ioctl - driver export miscdevice /dev/bq2415x for raw register access via special ioctl (this is copied from bq27x00 and maybe I will remove it)21:54
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Paliregulator interface is in Documentation/power/regulator/regulator.txt21:56
PaliI think this using this interface is better then clasis sysfs21:56
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Palimy idea is to have mfd (or regulator) driver - which only cover register access to exported functions (or some standard linux interfaces) and driver which will use this functions/interface22:02
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DocScrutinizergo ahead, but why you're asking me about it?22:15
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DocScrutinizerI have no clue about this stuff, and was rather puzzled when looking into the sources, to a degree where I thought "duh, what's that? better print it and read it while dinner"22:17
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DocScrutinizer>> The intention is to allow systems to dynamically control regulator power output in order to save power and prolong battery life. This applies to both voltage regulators (where voltage output is controllable) and current sinks (where current limit is controllable).<<   We don't exactly do "dynamic controlling" of any of that stuff, that's the whole point of bq24150 - it does the controlling for us22:32
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DocScrutinizerideally we set defaults in source or (beter) via kernel module parameters, and never ever need to touch any of those voltage registers22:33
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DocScrutinizerI'll think about it during dinner, maybe the idea is catching on me when I'm not hungry anymore :-)22:35
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