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| luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/kernels/20111125.1949_2.6.28.10-fremantle20103103+0m5_gcc45-00274-g0571aad/ | 00:52 |
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| psycho_oreos | whats special about that kernel? | 00:54 |
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| luke-jr | psycho_oreos: GCC 4.5?\ | 01:20 |
| luke-jr | 76M /lib/modules/2.6.28.10-omap1-gcc45-00274-g0571aad | 01:20 |
| luke-jr | 7.5M /lib/modules/2.6.28.10power42 | 01:20 |
| luke-jr | hmmmmmmmm | 01:20 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh only built on newer GCC. but meh, pk42 | 01:20 |
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| MohammadAG | Fucking bouncer | 01:29 |
| psycho_oreos | IRC bouncer? | 01:32 |
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| MohammadAG | Yeah | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | Its been down for two days | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | And the damn iphone doesnt stay connected | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | Tbh, I miss the Nokia experience | 01:37 |
| luke-jr | psycho_oreos: well, it's got 2.6.28.10 patchset too | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | Going back to my N900 tomorrow | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 01:37 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: N900 XChat doesn't stay connected either :P | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | luke-jr: It does | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | Coloquy (iphone irc client) disconnects after 10 minutes of not havin the window active | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | Usually i like to keep irc running in the background | 01:38 |
| luke-jr | not really. I don't have signal persistent enough :P | 01:38 |
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| MohammadAG | iOS is fun | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | but srsly, why are my modules dir 10 times the size? :x | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | The tweaks are fun | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | But its too restrictrd | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | And autocorrect only works when you dont want it to | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: strip | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: Family channel, I mean seriously... :p | 01:42 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: how to strip .ko? | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, does it not work for .ko? | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | `strip` | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | It does | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG | .ko is afterall a glorified .o | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>GNU strip discards all symbols from object files objfile. ...<< | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | I'd expect it to strip stuff Linux needs to load it | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | Nope | 01:45 |
| luke-jr | surprised there's no "right way" to strip kmods | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | strip is the right way | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I guess there's a linker / compiler option | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | It's what kernel packages use in build scripts | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | to not even create cruft | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 01:46 |
| luke-jr | ? | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | cd /lib/modules; strip * | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually you may want to add some parameters to strip | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm sure you know about man | 01:48 |
| luke-jr | 'strip' by itself makes them unloadable, according to Google results | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | --strip-debug reduces mine to 6 MB | 01:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/Promotion/xiaomicellphone/default.aspx - interesting | 01:58 |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, the picture has dualcore cortex A( | 02:07 |
| ShadowJK | A8 | 02:07 |
| ShadowJK | which doesn't exist as dual core | 02:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | Details, Shcmetails. | 02:08 |
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| ShadowJK | doesn't mention pricepoint.. | 02:08 |
| ShadowJK | Aren't these hw specs kinda similar to highend samsung or lg now? | 02:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | Somewhat, yes. | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | And price will be interesting. | 02:09 |
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| ShadowJK | Well... would they be able to go much lower than, say, HTC and Huawei? | 02:12 |
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| * SpeedEvil orders too much from DX. | 02:12 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Idly wondering from the perspecive of smaller makers perhaps being more willing to open up for small 'bulk' orders. | 02:16 |
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| ShadowJK | Well Cordia tried that | 02:31 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: LOL, 4 GB disk | 03:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | any of you guys with American based N900 and you flashed using global firmware? I need to find out if your osso-product-info shows <unknown> for fields: OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_NAME, OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_FULL_NAME, OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION, and OSSO_VERSION | 03:34 |
| luke-jr | psycho_oreos: there is no American N900 | 03:35 |
| psycho_oreos | luke-jr, I meant if you bought your N900 in US | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | psycho_oreos: I forget where mine was mailed from. | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | I'm not aware of N900 ever being sold IN the US… | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_NAME='Maemo 5' | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_FULL_NAME='Maemo 5' | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='21.2011.38-1.002' | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | there is no OSSO_VERSION | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | oh wait | 03:36 |
| psycho_oreos | luke-jr, apparently the owner I bought the third N900 from bought it from Amazon | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | OSSO_VERSION='RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1.002_PR_002' | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | Amazon is online :p | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='Britain' | 03:37 |
| psycho_oreos | OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='English America' as opposed to my two other N900 OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='Britain' | 03:37 |
| luke-jr | fwiw | 03:37 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm funny that | 03:37 |
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| luke-jr | is the "bootmenu" package safe? | 03:45 |
| psycho_oreos | depends on what packages you use depends on it to me its safe | 03:50 |
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| psycho_oreos | dbus can really be bitchy sometimes >:? | 03:52 |
| psycho_oreos | s/?/|/ | 03:52 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: dbus can really be bitchy sometimes >:| | 03:52 |
| luke-jr | psycho_oreos: I'm just worried I won't be able to boot | 03:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | luke-jr, I suppose it depends on your setup. On my single boot (just pure maemo environment) I have no issues | 03:53 |
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| luke-jr | psycho_oreos: why would you install bootmenu on a single boot? | 03:54 |
| psycho_oreos | luke-jr, I'm talking about fanoush's bootmenu which backupmenu for instance depends on it | 03:55 |
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| psycho_oreos | unless you're talking about multiboot or uboot which would be different imo | 03:55 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Like I care - if it can take 32G SD | 03:55 |
| luke-jr | I'm talking about the Maemo pkg | 03:55 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: 32 GB + 32 GB = 64 GB | 03:55 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't know which Maemo package you're referring to. | 03:56 |
| luke-jr | # aptitude search bootmenu | 03:58 |
| luke-jr | p bootmenu - Fanoush's Boot Menu | 03:58 |
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| psycho_oreos | yeah that's the exact same one that I was referring to, if you know about backupmenu by robbiethe1st, that backupmenu for instance relies on bootmenu | 04:00 |
| luke-jr | so if I install that, I should be safe to reboot? <.< | 04:01 |
| psycho_oreos | again I don't know what your setup is like so I can't say for certain.. you can try after you have created a backup of your setup | 04:01 |
| luke-jr | too lazy | 04:02 |
| * luke-jr crosses fingers | 04:02 | |
| Macer | damnit | 04:02 |
| Macer | i have to find out what ports this synology uses | 04:02 |
| Macer | and if i can set up a relay | 04:02 |
| jacekowski | Macer: what are you doing? | 04:02 |
| Macer | setting up the mail server on it | 04:03 |
| Macer | i need a real ssl cert | 04:03 |
| jacekowski | 25 and 110 | 04:03 |
| * luke-jr loves having etckeeper on his N900 | 04:03 | |
| Macer | for ssl? | 04:03 |
| jacekowski | yes | 04:03 |
| jacekowski | and it's called TLS | 04:03 |
| Macer | i though imaps used ssl on a different port | 04:03 |
| jacekowski | ssl is obsolete | 04:03 |
| Macer | 485 or something | 04:03 |
| pabs3 | luke-jr: how'd you get that? | 04:03 |
| jacekowski | starttls is current thing | 04:04 |
| jacekowski | and that works over the same port | 04:04 |
| Macer | jacekowski: i see | 04:04 |
| luke-jr | pabs3: I think I stole a Debian pkg, found a compatible git, and installed some GNU tools | 04:04 |
| pabs3 | aha | 04:04 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski:~/pliki/RE# nc jacekowski.org 25 | 04:04 |
| jacekowski | 220 jacekowski.org ESMTP Postfix | 04:04 |
| jacekowski | EHLO jacekowski.org | 04:04 |
| jacekowski | 250-STARTTLS | 04:04 |
| jacekowski | for ESMTP for example | 04:05 |
| luke-jr | pabs3: the git was the hard part. | 04:05 |
| jacekowski | you connect to server, introduce yourself and then server responds if it can do STARTTLS | 04:05 |
| luke-jr | git-core_1.6.6-1maemo1_armel.deb <-- what I ended up using | 04:05 |
| Macer | jacekowski: that's on the synology? | 04:05 |
| jacekowski | yes | 04:05 |
| Macer | nice let me try it | 04:05 |
| pabs3 | luke-jr: for a second there I thought you were running Debian instead of Maemo :) | 04:05 |
| jacekowski | if it can, you can ask it to enable encryption by issuing STARTTLS command | 04:05 |
| Macer | so i just need 25 and 110 to hit the ds? | 04:05 |
| jacekowski | yes | 04:05 |
| jacekowski | unless you want imap as well | 04:05 |
| Macer | i do | 04:06 |
| luke-jr | pabs3: well, I'm working on switching entirely to Gentoo | 04:06 |
| Macer | what port is imap? | 04:06 |
| jacekowski | then you need 143 as well | 04:06 |
| luke-jr | I have a custom Subversion-based "etckeeper" on Gentoo atm | 04:06 |
| luke-jr | not happy with etckeeper's portage support | 04:06 |
| Macer | oh lord | 04:07 |
| jacekowski | hmm, what's the point of etckeeper in maemo | 04:08 |
| jacekowski | when all shit is stored in ~ anyways | 04:08 |
| jacekowski | all important user configurable shit | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: I never replace ~ | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | but I do tweak /etc sometimes | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | like the bluez config | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | N900's default sucks | 04:09 |
| jacekowski | it works | 04:09 |
| luke-jr | does it? | 04:09 |
| luke-jr | can you use the GPS over BT? | 04:09 |
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| luke-jr | no. | 04:10 |
| Macer | damn rekonq sucks | 04:10 |
| jacekowski | my n900 had builtin gps | 04:10 |
| Macer | it is like the thing that would be awesome if it worked :) | 04:10 |
| jacekowski | Macer: well, chrome | 04:10 |
| Macer | chromium ;) | 04:10 |
| Macer | is there an official chrome for ubuntu? | 04:10 |
| jacekowski | Macer: it's all based on KHTML | 04:10 |
| Macer | i usually just install chromium | 04:10 |
| luke-jr | Macer: I used rekonq for a bit. | 04:10 |
| Macer | jacekowski: yeah but for some reason rekonq doesn't work well | 04:11 |
| jacekowski | part of konqueror | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: you're thinking backward. | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: I want to use the N900's GPS from a full laptop. | 04:11 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: somebody made software for that | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | so N900 needs to say "I'm a GPS" | 04:11 |
| jacekowski | can't remember who was it | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: might be remembering me | 04:11 |
| jacekowski | but it's a phone | 04:11 |
| jacekowski | not a gps | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | though I never bothered to release it properly | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: no, it isn't a phone | 04:11 |
| jacekowski | so you are asking your tablet to lie | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | N900 is more GPS than phone | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: N900 should be advertising itself as a "mobile computer" on BT | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | with GPS as a feature | 04:12 |
| Macer | jacekowski: so just forward 25, 110, 143 to the synology and just set up the n900 with tls enabled and life will be better ? :) | 04:13 |
| jacekowski | yes | 04:14 |
| jacekowski | well, either 110 or 143 | 04:14 |
| jacekowski | you don't need both | 04:14 |
| luke-jr | 0x7F0110 | 04:14 |
| Macer | jacekowski: you never know if there is a client with a broken imap ;) | 04:16 |
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| luke-jr | yay, Gentoo booting once again! | 04:36 |
| luke-jr | … or not :x | 04:36 |
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| luke-jr | OMG | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | total filesystem corruption | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | x.x | 04:56 |
| nox- | o_O gentoo on n900? | 05:00 |
| luke-jr | … | 05:01 |
| luke-jr | well, it WAS | 05:01 |
| luke-jr | until something went and corrupted everything x.x | 05:01 |
| nox- | :/ | 05:02 |
| luke-jr | I think I need to reformat now | 05:03 |
| luke-jr | sigh | 05:03 |
| nox- | compiling on the poor little cpu doesnt sound like fun to me anyway | 05:04 |
| nox- | still, crazy stuff... :) | 05:05 |
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| nox- | (that gentoo runs, not that yours is corrupted...) | 05:05 |
| luke-jr | only linking | 05:06 |
| luke-jr | I use distcc :p | 05:06 |
| nox- | ah | 05:06 |
| nox- | anyway, bbl | 05:07 |
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| ShadowJK | luke-jr, disable fsck | 06:45 |
| luke-jr | … | 06:45 |
| luke-jr | why? | 06:45 |
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| ShadowJK | Because ext* assumes you have a harddrive | 06:46 |
| luke-jr | so? | 06:46 |
| luke-jr | without fsck it'll certainly corrupt | 06:46 |
| ShadowJK | It actually keeps it amazingly consisten just with ext3+journal | 06:46 |
| ShadowJK | On harddrive at powerloss you lose like 512 bytes, or 4k, or the last x * 4k sectors written | 06:47 |
| luke-jr | journal still needs fsck to recover | 06:47 |
| luke-jr | and journal will shorten SSD lifetime | 06:47 |
| ShadowJK | On flash you lose that 512b, plus additional 128-512k randomly chosen sectors that get old data.. | 06:47 |
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| luke-jr | ew | 06:48 |
| ShadowJK | Ideally you'd have a gigantic journal :) | 06:48 |
| luke-jr | well, the journal issues is why I use ext2, not ext3 | 06:48 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think it's an issue | 06:48 |
| luke-jr | yes, becasue the journal assumes things get written in order | 06:48 |
| ShadowJK | and on boot the kernel rewrites whatever is in the journal, and things tend to work out better | 06:49 |
| ShadowJK | even better would be nilfs2 or LogFS.. though nilfs2 would chew through battery | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | and would require backporting, testing, etc | 06:50 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah there's that :P | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | ext2 worked well for years | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | which makes me suspect it's a booting issue | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | with this new kernel | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | I couldn't boot Maemo with it, either | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | nfc why | 06:51 |
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| Sicelo | luke-jr: gps to laptop >> columbus | 08:27 |
| luke-jr | ? | 08:27 |
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| Sicelo | 4:11 < luke-jr> jacekowski: I want to use the N900's GPS from a full laptop. | 08:43 |
| luke-jr | … | 08:43 |
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| Sicelo | ok. maybe didn't get u | 08:44 |
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| Sicelo | what i meant is that columbus is the package that does that | 08:48 |
| luke-jr | o | 08:50 |
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| luke-jr | can't seem to find the code | 08:54 |
| Sicelo | iirc it was developed by alterego | 08:56 |
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| Macer | damnit | 12:49 |
| Macer | telnetting to a port should show something if a service is running right? | 12:49 |
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| raptor67682 | hello. is there a phone that has voice reconigtion, like maemo? | 12:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | voice recognition like maemo? wtf? | 13:00 |
| gggs | Macer: depends if it's dropped/denied via firewall rules | 13:00 |
| gggs | Macer: try nmap | 13:01 |
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| M4rtinK | pocket sphinx ? | 13:19 |
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| Macer | damnit | 15:04 |
| Macer | for the life of me i can't find out why smtp won't connect on this synology | 15:04 |
| Macer | nor does tls imap :-P | 15:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | M4rtinK: yeah, or even voicetogoog | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, seems that'S only on maemo6 for now | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway raptor67682 's question sounds quite upside-down | 15:46 |
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| Pali | ping X-Fade | 15:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if/when Siri/theGoogle$thing will implement a pull feature, I.E. mic activation from remote, so Siri can listen whenever it thinks it's worth it ;-D | 15:49 | |
| * DocScrutinizer moos @ Pali | 15:49 | |
| Pali | ~seen X-Fade | 15:49 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'Can somebody remind me again how to backup your messages/conversations in harmattan? Where were they stored again?'. | 15:49 |
| freemangordon | Pali, wish you luck | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 15:50 |
| Pali | hello | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey freemangordon | 15:50 |
| freemangordon | hey | 15:50 |
| freemangordon | seems no hen developers left , it is only you | 15:51 |
| Pali | where is X-Fade? | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: if you want to chat with H-E-N hardcore kernel hackers you should've joined ##mhd since some days. You ignored all my invites, now paul said >gtg,bbl< some 15min ago | 15:52 |
| freemangordon | who knows | 15:52 |
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| freemangordon | sorry, saw the invitations next day | 15:52 |
| freemangordon | i've just have changed my irc client | 15:53 |
| freemangordon | BTW I still don't know which is the best IRC client to use | 15:53 |
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| aholler | irssi | 15:53 |
| freemangordon | winoze? | 15:54 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, what was the hen channel? | 15:57 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer: now I found some bq2415x kernel driver from Nokia: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/3/9/176 | 16:11 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer: do you know about it? | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, I heard about it ans somewhat looked into it | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | haven't completely analyzed it but it seems it still relies on undocumented interaction with some bme shit | 16:13 |
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| Pali | here is source code: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/3/9/178 | 16:13 |
| Pali | I see that this only export functions via /dev/ file | 16:14 |
| freemangordon | Pali, did you tyr last patch i've sent? | 16:14 |
| freemangordon | try* | 16:14 |
| Pali | freemangordon: sorry not yet | 16:14 |
| freemangordon | ok | 16:14 |
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| Pali | Now I'm compiling it | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: also on a 30s glance to that patch I spot things like "bq2415x_chg_low(true)" which again make me think Nokia only did the bare minimum they thought they might find useful for their special usecase - as usual | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | bq2415x_chg_low(true) | 16:16 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: did you work on ham already? | 16:17 |
| freemangordon | no | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | case BQ2415X_CHG_NORM: res = bq2415x_chg_low(false); | 16:17 |
| freemangordon | i'm still fighting kp stuff | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin sh*t I don't want to choose from charge-low and charge-normal, I want to control charge current to the last digit that bq24150 allows | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | or compare the implementation of >>bq2415x_set_current_limit(struct regulator_dev *rdev, int min_uA, int max_uA)<< with what my suggested API specifies | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I bet the whole thing doesn't even touch boostmode | 16:21 |
| Pali | it is not better to fix that existing nokias driver instead writing new? | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | The existing hostmode stuff on the n900 is fragmentary. | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pali: no, see: >>MODULE_DESCRIPTION("TI BQ24153/6 one-cell Li-Ion charger driver");<< -- We got bq24150 which is quite a bit different it seems | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | though, when I think about it, I didn't find that much diffs in datasheet, still this driver bewilders me | 16:28 |
| * jonwil wishes he could decide what n900 thing to work on | 16:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway this driver is confusing, and doesn't deal *at all* with vboost | 16:29 |
| Pali | I think it is more simply to add vboost to that driver instead writing all from sketch | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: and looking through the source from start to end it appears to me the Nokia driver doesn't implement any additional intelligence so it still needs all the bme cruft like it does now. My driver spec OTOH is meant to implement an autonomous handler that only needs a ONE-TIME config e.g. during boot and then could happily run along charging under same unchanged situation for infinite time without any bme retriggering watchdog and similar | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | cruft. The idea is to allow concurrent userland/other systems to simply set up charger to meet the situation (host powered charging, fastcharger charging, even vboost) and then leave it alone | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | while the driver itself controls and maintains the bq24150 chip | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. tickles watchdog etc | 16:35 |
| Pali | yes, I know | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia driver fails completely on this idea | 16:36 |
| Pali | can bq chip tell us if charger or power usb cable is connected? | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | it can't | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need other kernel based and useland cruft to do so | 16:37 |
| Pali | so we need additional checks (from other driver?) to check that | 16:37 |
| Pali | so auto charge should be in other kernel module | 16:38 |
| Pali | not in bq2415x*.ko | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it can detect VBUS 5V, it can to some degree check if PHY chip things there'S D+/- short | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can set up bq24150 to start charging @ XXXmA whenever there'S VBUS 5V applied | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | for more nifty stuff we need support from way more complex systems, and that's userland task | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | like doing USB ENUM to learn if PC can power 500mA | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | or if it is a PC at all | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | or rather a dumb charger with missing D+/- short (->100mA max, according to Nokia's conservative and standards conforming policy) | 16:41 |
| Pali | ok | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | for all this other systems are involved, as charger driver can't do e.g. ENUM | 16:41 |
| Pali | what is isp1704 charger? | 16:42 |
| luke-jr | wow | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, 1704 is USB PHY detecting D+/- short | 16:42 |
| Pali | in upstream kernel it is something for rx51: http://lwn.net/Articles/400910/ | 16:42 |
| luke-jr | I'm definitely noticing a huge performance boost switching to hardfp on N900 | 16:42 |
| luke-jr | jonwil: kernels | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: so isp1704_charger probably means the PHY has detected D+/- short and thus the plugged in cherging device is considered to be a fastcharger | 16:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pali: bq24150 even has a hw signal line to talk to PHY directly regarding this | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas the PHY is not always consistent in asserting this signal | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | as PHY msutn't try to detect D+/- short when an active USB session is ongoing, as it would break data transfer (check for Data+ to Data- short, go figure!) | 16:46 |
| Pali | ok | 16:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | otoh an active USB session means there's definitely no D+/- short ;-D | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | you see charging over USB is quite entangled a bit with generic USB driver though | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is why we need to get rid of BME for hostmode, basically | 16:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pali: for bq24150 proper cherging&VBOOST versatile kernel driver all this doesn't matter too much | 16:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my specs specify a *sane* interface (I hope) that allows to offload the annoying bits to the driver while keeping all the nifty finegrained control to userland | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I even planned for raw register access for "dumb brute force access" the bme alike style | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so with a very simple wrapper to change direct I2C-writes/reads to /sys/bq24150/<register> clean reads/writes bme could still work on this driver, though would basically disable all the smartness in that driver - but well that'S what bme likes to do | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a "smarter bme" would just write once to things like /sys/bq24150/... USB-curlim,chterm_ena,chterm_thld,CC,CV... and then echo auto >watchdog | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | then let kernel driver and chip do their thing | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you could kill smarter-bme and uninstall it and charging would continue happily, after that | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | next time smarter-bme would be needed was on next plug-in of charger/PC | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | to check type of "charger" and again write once to above mentioned sysnodes | 17:01 |
| * jonwil wonders why Nokia chose to ignore most of the functionality of the charger chip and write all sorts of funky code in BME instead | 17:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: heritage | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | because rapuyama used to do charging | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | legacy | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly | 17:02 |
| jacekowski | and rapuyama has same code in it as big parts of BME | 17:02 |
| jacekowski | even on n900 | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | they simply ported the age-old bme code that basically was there on 6210 phones, to N900 | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | and ignored the fact they now got a smart charger chip that could do all that nasty stuff for them | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably not even Nokia did that, I suspect they hired a subcontractor that does this for them since 1999 | 17:04 |
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| Venemo | lol | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, lol but no kidding | 17:05 |
| jacekowski | why 99? | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's when I seen same shite in Nokia 6210 monitor, nder "battery" tab | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it pedates this phone ;-D | 17:06 |
| Venemo | LoL :D | 17:06 |
| * jonwil wonders if there is an easy way to add a "switch between 2G and 3G" option to the status bar menu | 17:06 | |
| jacekowski | there was applet for that | 17:06 |
| jonwil | any idea what it is called? | 17:06 |
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| jacekowski | nope | 17:06 |
| jacekowski | i don't have n900 anymore | 17:07 |
| jonwil | damn :( | 17:07 |
| jacekowski | i have N8 with symbian | 17:07 |
| luke-jr | … | 17:07 |
| luke-jr | fail | 17:07 |
| jonwil | If one already exists, saves me reinventing the wheel | 17:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer beats jacekowski around a little | 17:07 | |
| jonwil | but if I cant find it, it doesn't help me | 17:07 |
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| jacekowski | search for 3g | 17:07 |
| jacekowski | 3g2g-mode-selection-applet - Switch between the three network modes (3G, 2G and Dual) from the status menu | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2G/3G switcher applet - or sth like that | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm using it all the time | 17:08 |
| jonwil | found it, now I need to add it to my phone :) | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | recently 2G(!) became abysmally poor here so I don't use it that much anymore | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hen a year ago I had to switch to 2G when entering my fav pub, or otherwise connection is all shaky and introduces dropouts, on 3g - now it's exactly the other way round | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3G sort of works now in that pub, but 2G is unbearable | 17:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if they got a good price for the surplus 2G equipment they sold... fools | 17:12 | |
| * jonwil got a notice in the mail calling for public consultation on the erection of a new cell tower in his area | 17:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, I read "erection" and thought "meh, SPAM" | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ | 17:14 |
| RST38h | HELO gentlemen | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | EHLO RST38h | 17:14 |
| jonwil | hmmm so should I work on wlan stuff, h-i-m stuff, osso-backup stuff, libbmeipc/hald-addon-bme stuff, sysinfo/libsysinfo stuff, systemui stuff, connectivity ui stuff or maps stuff...? | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | hald-addon-bme sounds like it would go nicely along with Pali 's / my bq24150 driver stuff | 17:15 |
| jonwil | it would basically be a 1:1 clone of hald-addon-bme plus a 1:! clone of libbmeipc and a dev package for libbmeipc | 17:16 |
| Pali | libbmeipc is open | 17:16 |
| jonwil | no its not, not on the N900 Fremantle | 17:17 |
| jonwil | n900_libbme on meego is open | 17:17 |
| Pali | is not same? | 17:17 |
| jonwil | but that's different | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | replace hald-addon-bme, bme, and bq27200/bq24150 .ko in one pkg and we get a sane bme free kernel that kinda just works | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: bq24150.ko has no way to support libbmeipc | 17:18 |
| Pali | hald-addon-bme is easy to write - we can use bq27200 kernel driver | 17:18 |
| jonwil | There are 3 places that talk to libbmepic other than hald-addon-bme. One is nokia-closed-pulseaudio-blobs, one is dsme_thermalsurface and the last one is testserver | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to patch hald-addon-bme to directly use the sysfs nodes | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: :nod: | 17:18 |
| Pali | we do not need bmeipc.... all applications using hal | 17:18 |
| jonwil | its fairly easy to make something that exposes the same outside-world interface as hald-addon-bme but talks directly to kernel | 17:18 |
| jonwil | nokia-pulseaudio-blobs cant be changed easily | 17:19 |
| jonwil | since they are closed | 17:19 |
| jonwil | dsme_themalsurface is open though | 17:19 |
| jonwil | and testserver doesnt seem to be used normally | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | for PA we need to figure WTF it does, thermal is kinda obvious what it does and we need to do similar thing in "jrbme" or bq24150.ko, and testserver, oh my | 17:19 |
| Pali | dsme thermal can be patched | 17:19 |
| jonwil | I posted to mailing list a while back with info on this | 17:20 |
| jonwil | including info on what bme call pulseaudio is making | 17:20 |
| Pali | is not nokia pulseaudio open in meego? | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | grrr | 17:21 |
| jonwil | nope, nokia-pulseaudio-blobs are still closed in meego | 17:21 |
| jonwil | smaller blobs but still closed | 17:21 |
| jonwil | aha, my post is titled "Information on the interface to hald-addon-bme (so it can be replaced with something that bypasses BME and talks to the kernel directly)" | 17:22 |
| jonwil | google for that to find it :) | 17:22 |
| jonwil | the only thing pulseaudio cares about is the temprature value | 17:22 |
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| jonwil | the source code for dsme-thermalobject-surface should show you exactly what bme calls are being made | 17:22 |
| Pali | pulseaudio and temperature?? WTF?? | 17:22 |
| jonwil | and I can confirm that pulseaudio seems to only be using the same values | 17:22 |
| Pali | why pulseaudio need temperature? | 17:23 |
| jonwil | no idea | 17:23 |
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| jonwil | so yeah I think given the info I posted in that mailing list post, there isn't that much in hald-addon-bme or libbmeipc that is worth cloning or figuring out :) | 17:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | speaker protection or sth weird | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I could say "they need it for ultra-smart echo cancellation, as speed for sound is varying with air temperature" but LOL | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | speed OF sound | 17:25 |
| jonwil | so should I work on wlan, h-i-m, osso-backup, sysinfo, systemui, connectivity ui or maps? | 17:25 |
| freemangordon | h-i-m | 17:26 |
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| freemangordon | :) | 17:26 |
| jonwil | do you know what h-i-m means in this case? :P | 17:26 |
| freemangordon | hm, hoping it is hildon-input-method | 17:26 |
| jonwil | yes it is | 17:27 |
| jonwil | what specifically do you think I should be doing on hildon-input-method? | 17:27 |
| freemangordon | renderer | 17:27 |
| Pali | hildon-input-method library is open, only plugins are closed, sure? | 17:27 |
| jonwil | the library is open | 17:28 |
| jonwil | but plugins and renderers and stuff are closed | 17:28 |
| jonwil | including the hildon vkb renderer widget | 17:28 |
| jonwil | and the library that handles the virtual keyboard layouts | 17:28 |
| jonwil | and more besides :( | 17:28 |
| freemangordon | jonwil, btw there is almost working (AFAIK) example of renderer somewhere in maemo application framework | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: a clean hald-addon-bme implementation that doesn't use libbmeipc but rather directly uses /sys/bq27200/* and /sys/bq24150/* would quite be worth it :-) | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: ^^^ | 17:29 |
| Pali | jonwil: on http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages I see 3 packages: hildon-input-method-configurator hildon-input-method-plugins-western hildon-input-method-widgets | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: ETAB | 17:29 |
| freemangordon | np | 17:29 |
| jonwil | The info needed for such a hald-addon-bme is in my mailing list post | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: sure, I thought you asked what to *work on*, not what to investigate and publish docs ;-) | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | but yeah, I got it now | 17:31 |
| jonwil | except that I dont want to work on kernel stuff :P | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hald-addon-bme is all but kernel | 17:32 |
| jonwil | it talks to kernel though :P | 17:32 |
| jonwil | I know nothing about kernel battery driver, best to let someone who does write new hald-addon-bme :P | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | even access to bq24150/27200 is a userland plain read() | 17:32 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil, damn libhildon-im-vkbrenderer.so.3.0.3 is 33k of size, shouldn't be that hard to RE ans rewrite it | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | fopen("/sys/platform/*/*/bq27200/whatever") | 17:33 |
| freemangordon | and* | 17:33 |
| jonwil | oh and for hildon-input-method stuff, the closed packages are hildon-im-common-virtual-settings , hildon-im-fkb , hildon-im-keyboard-assistant, hildon-im-keyboard-assistant-scv , hildon-im-plugin-base-settings , hildon-im-virtual-keyboard-layouts , hildon-input-method-configurator , hildon-input-method-plugins-western , hildon-input-method-widgets | 17:34 |
| jonwil | plus also ezitext* packages | 17:34 |
| jonwil | and imengines-ezitext | 17:34 |
| freemangordon | we don't need all that stuff for portrait keyboard | 17:34 |
| Pali | ezitext are only spelling database? | 17:34 |
| jonwil | well as far as hildon-input-method work goes, my first target is to finish cloning western_common_vim_settings.so, hildon-input-method-configurator.bin and possibly libcptextinput.so | 17:35 |
| jonwil | which will mean the list of valid hwkbd layouts can be un-hard-coded | 17:35 |
| jonwil | as those 3 binaries are what contain the hardcoded lists | 17:36 |
| jonwil | as for libhildon-im-vkbrenderer, its not as simple as it looks :P | 17:36 |
| freemangordon | hmm, how then ukeyboard adds my language? | 17:36 |
| freemangordon | Bulgarian | 17:36 |
| jonwil | the hardcoded lists seem to only affect the settings | 17:36 |
| jonwil | h-i-m and its plugins just use whatever value is in gconf | 17:37 |
| freemangordon | so, why then one should care? | 17:37 |
| freemangordon | if there is a workaround | 17:37 |
| jonwil | because normal users dont want a hack, they want to be able to pick their new layouts from the dropdown with all the rest | 17:38 |
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| freemangordon | sure, but ukeyboard allows exactly that without any hackery | 17:39 |
| freemangordon | AFAIK | 17:39 |
| jonwil | well I am probably going to clone it anyway :P | 17:39 |
| freemangordon | it uses standart .vkb files | 17:39 |
| jonwil | western_common_vim_settings.so isn't rocket science although I am close to the point where I say "forget about cloning it exactly and just write something that does the same thing" | 17:39 |
| Pali | jonwil: in hildon welcome (screen to choose time&date + language at boot first time) is propably hardcoded languages... I cannot see here additional my (slovak) lang, but in control panel is visible | 17:40 |
| Pali | it is true that language choose box/menu is hardcoded or only bad configuration? | 17:41 |
| Pali | This is really annoying that after remove and insert battery I must start phone 2 times (one to choose english and then in control panel change to other)... | 17:42 |
| * jonwil looks | 17:42 | |
| jonwil | ok, hildon-welcome.launch is not making any GTK calls | 17:43 |
| jonwil | its only making some X calls | 17:43 |
| jonwil | plus some gconf calls | 17:43 |
| jonwil | I mean gstreamer calls | 17:43 |
| jonwil | and glic | 17:43 |
| jonwil | glib | 17:43 |
| jonwil | and dbus | 17:43 |
| jonwil | its asking mce to turn on the display with req_display_state_on | 17:44 |
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| jonwil | thats all it does for dbus | 17:44 |
| Pali | I do not know if it is app with name hildon-welcome | 17:45 |
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| jonwil | hmmm maybe its not | 17:45 |
| jonwil | in fact I dont think it is | 17:45 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil, seen that http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-input-method-plugins-example ? | 17:46 |
| jonwil | yep, I seen that, not very helpful with the stuff I am doing though because of how simple it is :P | 17:46 |
| merlin1991 | cssu stable is out: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1129261#post1129261 | 17:47 |
| freemangordon | good, good | 17:48 |
| * merlin1991 goes to write the maemo-dev crosspost | 17:48 | |
| freemangordon | jonwil, I am going to RE libhildon-im-vkbrenderer | 17:48 |
| jonwil | ok, you do that | 17:48 |
| jonwil | if you think you can | 17:48 |
| freemangordon | at least I will try | 17:48 |
| jonwil | go ahead and use my libimlayouts header file if you like | 17:49 |
| freemangordon | Not I am much in GTK | 17:49 |
| freemangordon | Not that* | 17:49 |
| freemangordon | Time to learn something new | 17:50 |
| jonwil | aha, osso-startup-wizzard is the app I want | 17:51 |
| jonwil | anyone heard of clutter? | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ | 17:58 |
| merlin1991 | thanks doc :) | 17:58 |
| merlin1991 | I already thought nobody cared ;) | 17:58 |
| * luke-jr ponders if a decent WM is possible on N900 given its practical lack of 3D accel | 17:58 | |
| SpeedEvil | Compute MIPS/framebuffer-size. | 17:59 |
| jonwil | oh and pali, check files in /usr/share/osso-startup-wizard, those seem to be where it gets its config from | 17:59 |
| SpeedEvil | It's >>>1 | 17:59 |
| luke-jr | 1.5 kIPS per pixel | 18:00 |
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| Pali | jonwil: thanks! | 18:03 |
| jonwil | bah this is too hard to follow, its using clutter (which I know nothing about), something called cogl (also unknown), plus a bunch of hard-to-follow C++ stuff like std::string and iostreams | 18:04 |
| jonwil | its also using libcityinfo | 18:04 |
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| trumee | anybody has experience with a good 1A car charger to use with N900? | 18:05 |
| jonwil | lots of dbus calls too | 18:05 |
| * trumee only has experience with Nokia DC-10 charger which has a very short cable and useless now. | 18:05 | |
| jonwil | its also using libi18n_locale_resolve_list_predefined | 18:06 |
| jonwil | whatever that is | 18:06 |
| luke-jr | trumee: I grabbed a cheap dual-USB-port one off NewEgg | 18:06 |
| trumee | luke-jr: 1A? | 18:07 |
| luke-jr | trumee: 1A & 2A | 18:07 |
| luke-jr | no cable, you plug your normal USB one into it | 18:07 |
| trumee | luke-jr: cool. i need to buy one in UK | 18:07 |
| jonwil | aha, that function comes from libi18n-locale-resolver0 which is closed | 18:08 |
| luke-jr | is there a safe way to preemptively prevent my USB port from breaking? | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: nah, this will become THE BIG NEWS over the next 48h | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: see ^^^ | 18:08 |
| trumee | luke-jr: what is the use of 2A port? | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: for MWKN | 18:08 |
| luke-jr | trumee: I guess iPads use it or something. I just figured a 2nd port would allow me future expansion | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: that'S definitely next monday's headline | 18:09 |
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| merlin1991 | lmao Doc on a newsrampage :D | 18:10 |
| jonwil | hmmm, the data in /usr/share/i18n_locale_resolver seems interesting (but in an undocumented, uneditable binary format) | 18:10 |
| trumee | luke-jr: is it ok to plug N900 into the 2A charger? | 18:10 |
| luke-jr | trumee: can't hurt. | 18:11 |
| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ -- N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | RECENT UPDATE: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79400 || CSSU-Stable IS OUT: get it via links in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1129261 *now*!" | 18:11 | |
| trumee | luke-jr: found something, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Two-Port-2-1A-USB-Charger/dp/B005JCPZ22/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322323800&sr=8-1 | 18:11 |
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| jonwil | aha, clutter is a drawing library | 18:12 |
| jonwil | i.e. its used by osso-startup-wizard because the latter is a fullscreen app and doesnt need to use GTK | 18:12 |
| jonwil | although clutter still has a dep on gtk | 18:13 |
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| luke-jr | avoiding GTK is impossible now :/ | 18:16 |
| luke-jr | even BlueZ and pkg-config use GTK | 18:16 |
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| r00t|home | bluez only requires it for the pin-input widget, which is just ridiculous... | 18:20 |
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| luke-jr | r00t|home: wtf? srsly? | 18:22 |
| luke-jr | why doesn't it use pinentry? | 18:22 |
| r00t|home | at least that's the issue i had with bluez on notebooks | 18:22 |
| r00t|home | there is a cli-tool included, but debian only delivers the source, no binary of it, and the package depends on the whole gui cruft | 18:23 |
| luke-jr | x.x | 18:23 |
| luke-jr | I use Gentoo anyhow | 18:23 |
| Corsac | you seem wrong, nor bluez nor bluez-tools depend on gtk | 18:23 |
| Corsac | bluez-gnome does, obviously | 18:24 |
| r00t|home | me? maybe they changed it by now, but it used to be that way | 18:24 |
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| Corsac | and pkg-config only requires glib | 18:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, I was going to stick it on the Miscellaneous page. | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: well, it's finally an "official" community repo for maemo recommended to *everyone* | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically we could even expect from Nokia to include concerns about compatibilty to CSSU-S for any further (obviously never coming) update | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | for N900 users today is a historic date, a quantum leap (though I hate the term as it's basically wrong) | 19:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Err - I missed most of todays discussion - wut? | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | CSSU-Stable is officially out in the wild | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah! | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon offline?? DANG! | 19:15 |
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| luke-jr | yawn | 19:20 |
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| luke-jr | as if CSSU has any potential | 19:20 |
| luke-jr | too much closed | 19:20 |
| luke-jr | you can't maintain something without source | 19:20 |
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| Macer | luke-jr: maybe it is like quake... they are just waiting a little while before releasing it all | 19:34 |
| luke-jr | nonsense | 19:34 |
| Macer | as it stands though regardless of all that... maemo is probably still the best portable linux distro you can use on a device with a phone built in | 19:35 |
| Macer | the hildon closed bits are probably the worst thing nokia has closed right now. but i'm no dev so i don't know | 19:35 |
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| Macer | i mean if you can show me another linux distro on a device which allows for some pretty good comm i'd love to see it | 19:37 |
| Macer | but it is obviously not gentoo :) | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: defeatist! we got some fixes to "closed" stuff in CSSU, we even got or are about to get true rewrites of other closed bits, for the mere benefit of openness, as being closed is a bug in itself as well | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish somebody'd port Swipe | 19:58 |
| bindi | swipe? swype? | 20:00 |
| MohammadAG | Fuck that | 20:00 |
| MohammadAG | Oh wait, swype or swipe? | 20:00 |
| bindi | swype is horrible, i tried it once | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | swipe is harmattan's ui | 20:01 |
| bindi | _once_ | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | It's a nice concept, and ou | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | You do type faster | 20:01 |
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| MohammadAG | But you also spend more time correcting mistakes | 20:01 |
| neal | how does swipe improve typing speed? | 20:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | swype | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG | It's easier to reach a radius than the letter itself | 20:02 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil, ping | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | ~seen jonwil | 21:00 |
| infobot | jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 47m ago, saying: 'although clutter still has a dep on gtk'. | 21:00 |
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| Macer | http://www.mobilebusinessbriefing.com/articles/nokia-shares-slip-on-weak-windows-phone-estimates/19742/ | 21:03 |
| Macer | omg... 500K? | 21:03 |
| Macer | they're going under :) | 21:03 |
| javispedro | yeah.. | 21:05 |
| Sicelo | freemangordon: paul is back in #mhd | 21:05 |
| freemangordon | thanks | 21:05 |
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| Macer | In an interview with the publication, Nokia chief executive Stephen Elop said sales would build over time, but declined to give internal targets. “We are interested first and foremost about volume. Our highest priority is to help Windows Phones to compete with Android. This is the first showcase product.â | 21:08 |
| Macer | spoken like a true ms puppet. :) ms is going to buy them i bet | 21:09 |
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| * SpeedEvil crosses fingers for strong n9 sales. | 21:11 | |
| Venemo | hehehehhh | 21:12 |
| Venemo | they deserved it | 21:12 |
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| MohammadAG | Woo, broke iOS's audio stack | 21:24 |
| hiemanshu | lol | 21:26 |
| Venemo | congrats MohammadAG | 21:27 |
| luke-jr | lol | 21:27 |
| Macer | broke as in hacked.. or broke as in doesn't work anymore? | 21:28 |
| Macer | http://www.cellular-news.com/story/51564.php | 21:29 |
| Macer | still #3! lol. i think that is only because htc makes crap phones | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | Macer fucked it up | 21:30 |
| Venemo | htc makes industry waste. | 21:31 |
| Venemo | I wouldn't call what they make "phones" | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | So does nokia tbh | 21:31 |
| Macer | yeah. they are horrible devices | 21:31 |
| Macer | hey! n900 is a solid phone | 21:31 |
| Macer | minus the usb ports | 21:31 |
| Macer | :) | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | Ios kernel panic, yay | 21:32 |
| luke-jr | except it isn't a phone | 21:32 |
| Macer | omg | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | Windows phone is industry waste | 21:33 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: how does it look btw? | 21:33 |
| Macer | go back to gentoo | 21:33 |
| luke-jr | Macer: I'm going to quote you when Nokia sends you an E7 to replace your broken N900 | 21:33 |
| javispedro | (the panic) | 21:33 |
| Macer | lol | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro: It reboots | 21:33 |
| luke-jr | Macer: if N900 is a phone, E7 is a valid replacement | 21:33 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: bah, cowards. | 21:33 |
| Macer | luke-jr: maybe mine is a better build quality.. it is made in finland ;) | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro: You get a log somewhere | 21:33 |
| Macer | luke-jr: they do | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | Lemme find it | 21:34 |
| Macer | n900s are replaced with e7s | 21:34 |
| luke-jr | Macer: people who insist N900 is not a phone, get fixed N900s back ;) | 21:34 |
| Macer | lmao! | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | Btw, i'm amazed how many threads the ui has | 21:34 |
| Macer | fair enough | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | Over 26 i think | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | Not sure how they debug that shit | 21:34 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: you need to enable logging via XCode for that | 21:34 |
| Macer | i get your point | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu: For what | 21:34 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: panic logs | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | No mac = no xcode | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu: No | 21:34 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: there was something like that, and in a panic its a spinning wheel and reboot | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu: Yeah, thats what happened | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | I restarted springboard, it kept spinning and rebooted | 21:36 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xxQj6MKz | 21:38 |
| javispedro | "incident". genius. | 21:39 |
| javispedro | secure boot?: NO hmpf? | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | Tethered jailbreak boot | 21:40 |
| hiemanshu | I had a 3GS verbose boot, and screwed around with it enough to get a lot of stuff | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | iOS is a fun hacking platform | 21:41 |
| MohammadAG | If fun is going mad | 21:41 |
| hiemanshu | I crashed it millions of times, something malf's, reboot | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | Ive been thinking | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | If pocketsphinx ran well on the N810 | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | It'll run even better on the n900 | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | Why don't we write a siri equivalent? | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | Without online processing | 21:44 |
| javispedro | PocketSphinx's accuracy has been 0% for me | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | It works fine on the iphone | 21:45 |
| javispedro | which model do they use, do you know? | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | Nope | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | Sec | 21:45 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro: http://www.handsfreecontrol.com/Credits.html | 21:48 |
| javispedro | no idea | 21:52 |
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| luke-jr | lol @ iPhone app website using flash | 21:57 |
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| Macer | blah | 23:08 |
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