IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-11-19

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Macerhello?00:14
Maceri am not too familiar with it but what is the best way to run a wiki site?00:15
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DocScrutinizerget a server, install a wiki00:30
MacerDocScrutinizer: yeah but where do i start?00:31
DocScrutinizerwith "get a server"00:31
Macerlol. i have that part00:31
Macerbut what software is best for it?00:31
DocScrutinizerdepends on your priorities I guess00:32
Maceri was hoping to find something as easy as wordpress to get going00:32
Macerinstructions for local industrial tasks00:32
Macerso a basic instructions and howto wiki00:32
Macerwith multiple editors of course00:33
Macersupervisors and engineers00:33
DocScrutinizerhmm, then probably mediawiki isn't the right thing for you00:33
Macermediawiki is what wikipedia uses?00:33
DocScrutinizerI think yes00:33
Maceri see00:34
DocScrutinizerat least >>Powered by MediaWiki<< is to be found at bottom of a lot of wikipages, incl maemo00:34
Macerhm00:34
DocScrutinizerbut I heard it's based on MySQL and whatnot00:34
Maceris mediawiki an easy and straightforward setup00:35
DocScrutinizer^^^00:35
Macersimilar to wp with just access to a db?00:35
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Macerah ok00:35
Macerwhat's wrong with mysql? :)00:35
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Macerhonestly i don't have a lot of mysql experience other than basic stuff like wordpress00:36
Macerand the occasional phpmyadmin use00:36
Maceri will look into it tho. thanks00:37
Maceri have just never done it before and had no idea where to start or what wiki software was available00:38
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LaoLang_coolHello, how to add sudoers automatically? I tried to add a file in /etc/sudoers.d/, but seems it doesn't source to /etc/sudoers automatically01:41
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NIN101update-sudoers01:54
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LaoLang_coolNIN101: Must I have to run it? I tried to reboot, but the file doesn't be sourced too01:57
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LaoLang_coolI want it can be auto-sourced after n900 starts up01:57
NIN101i dunno if a reboot regenerates the file.01:57
LaoLang_coolNIN101: hmm, I got it, I thought wrong, thank you01:58
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LaoLang_coolNIN101: I find that my file in /etc/sudoers.d/ can't be sourced with update-sudoers02:00
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LaoLang_coolsorry02:00
LaoLang_coolMy fault, let me check again, I removed that file to other dir...02:01
LaoLang_coolcool, works well, NIN101, thank you!02:01
NIN101yw02:01
LaoLang_cooln900 is a so great tool and toy :)02:03
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DocScrutinizer51upd*te-sudoers runs on boot02:25
DocScrutinizer51we could nuke it if we got a recent sudo version though02:26
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DocScrutinizer51alas the one in fremantle doesn't support dirs02:26
DocScrutinizer51like sudoers.d02:26
DocScrutinizer51that's why we need that update-sudoers nuisance botch02:27
LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer51: thanks for explanation :)02:30
DocScrutinizer51take care, friend! editing etc/sudoers file may result in unwanted effects02:31
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LaoLang_coolAnother question, I try to use some fonts, they are a little huge, so I don't want them to take rootfs size, so I move them in /media/mmc1 and make symbol link into /usr/share/font/, but it can't be recorgnized by xterm02:32
LaoLang_coolfc-cache -fv can't solve it02:32
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luke-jrFWIW, T-Mobile has 30 minute timeouts on UDP port 50002:41
luke-jrat least over NAT6402:41
luke-jrevery other port is 30 seconds02:41
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DocScrutinizer51LaoLang_cool: should work02:48
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DocScrutinizer51though I'd place them on MyDocs/.myAddonFonts/*02:50
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Macerhm03:01
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* jonwil is on a mission to figure out everything one would need to do in order to replace ICD with something else (e.g. connman)04:03
jonwileither which bits need to be replaced with something new04:03
SpeedEvil:)04:03
ShadowJKyou know why icd is closed?04:03
SpeedEvilBecause nokia are bastards.04:04
jonwilnope04:04
jonwilheh04:04
ShadowJKbecause it actually works04:04
SpeedEvilAnd yes - ICD works - as designed.04:04
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SpeedEvilAny replacement needs to do quite a lot.04:04
jonwilwhat does icd do that connman on meego does not do (or could not be made to do)?04:04
godtrunksHy i have a problem with wtirreco04:05
godtrunksIt says that it cannot connect to server04:05
godtrunksWhat can i do???04:05
godtrunksQtirreco04:06
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godtrunksCan anyone help me???04:07
godtrunksPls04:08
godtrunksWhat can i do.....04:09
SpeedEvilSorry, no clue.04:09
jonwilI see no reason why (if you are willing to write some new bits to replace things like the network selection dialog and if you are willing to massage conman to talk to e.g. csd-gprs) you couldn't replace icd04:09
SpeedEvilAnd yes.04:09
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SpeedEvilAlso, I note that occasionally my wifi gets wedged, and I need to reboot.04:10
SpeedEvilSo it doesn't always work04:10
godtrunksI already did that04:10
godtrunksI have error 304:10
godtrunksAnd same error04:10
SpeedEvilErr - not you, I was talking to jonwil about something else.04:11
SpeedEvilSorry.04:11
SpeedEvilNo clue as to qtirrco04:11
godtrunksIt says cannot connect to destination04:11
godtrunksIt coud be from a program or something???04:11
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godtrunksHow i can complete unninstall qtirreco??04:15
godtrunksIt remqains the settings04:15
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godtrunksHow can i delete them??04:15
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godtrunksAnyone? ??04:21
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DocAvalanche"we forgive as we forget, as the day is long"  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRXs9DQch5k04:36
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DocAvalanche"as the water flows over the bridge, as we walk on the floodland, as we walk on the water, we forgive"04:42
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DocAvalancheas the day is long04:44
DocAvalanchegnite04:44
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Macerwell06:52
Macergvmax solved all of my gvoice woes with maemo :)06:52
Macernow i just need to be connected to gtalk06:53
Macerim sure that uses far less battery than constant gvoice sms polling06:53
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LaoLang_coolhi07:24
LaoLang_coolHow to use fonts not in /usr/share/font/ ?07:26
robbiethe1stUm... copy your fonts to /usr/share/font?07:26
LaoLang_coolI try to make a symbol link into /usr/share/font, but maemo can't recorgnize it07:26
LaoLang_coolMust I copy it into the directory?07:26
robbiethe1stIt'd be a good idea, yes... symbolic links should work, if you do it right, though07:27
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iluminator105my friends phone has the ppp0 on all the time is that like a back door07:32
iluminator105how do you turn ppp0 off?07:34
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psycho_oreosppp0 is not a backdoor, its more like a phone interface for those legacy dialup programs. These days ppp0 serve nothing more than allowing one to access WAN through that interface and the naming is merely for nostalgic purposes07:50
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psycho_oreos3 different music were involved in the making of N900 videos by nokia initially09:36
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psycho_oreosany of you guys able to edit the tags on threads? apart from being a moderator of course11:49
psycho_oreosor am I mistaken that it is only the moderators that are allowed to edit/remove tags?11:49
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Paliping X-Fade14:44
Pali~seen X-Fade14:45
infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo (4d 9h 38m 48s) #harmattan (4d 9h 38m 48s) #meego (4d 9h 38m 48s). Has said a total of 210 messages. Is idling for 22h 44m 10s, last said: 'I want it as much as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :)'.14:45
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LaoLang_coolhi!14:51
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LaoLang_coolHow to set fstab? I find that fstab will be auto-regenerated after reboot14:51
valdynLaoLang_cool: its not auto-regenerated14:51
valdynLaoLang_cool: oh sorry, wrong channel14:52
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LaoLang_coolvaldyn: but my setting on it will disappeared14:52
valdynLaoLang_cool: maybe it is14:52
LaoLang_coolvaldyn: :)14:52
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NIN101/usr/lib/genfstab.awk ; /etc/event.d/rcS-late14:59
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LaoLang_coolNIN101: any simpler way? it's a bit complicated to me :(15:02
LaoLang_coolI want to mount fonts dir into /usr/share/fonts/15:02
LaoLang_coolSo I can use them for maemo15:02
LaoLang_coolsymbol link to fonts dir doesn't work15:02
NIN101if not via fstab (not sure if mount -a is called anyway), just create a bootscript with the mount command in /etc/event.d15:03
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NIN101or edit /etc/event.d/rcS-late, or /etc/init.d/rcS15:04
freemangordonPali, ping15:07
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LaoLang_coolNIN101: the networking condition is so bad here... I tried to add mount /foo /usr/share/fonts/bar -o bind at the end near the 'end script' in rcS-late15:35
LaoLang_coolbut it doesn't work :(15:35
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LaoLang_coolNIN101: I got disconnected, networking is terriblely bad here. I tried to add /bin/mount /dir /usr/share/fonts/myfont -o bind just before the line of end script, but it doesn't work15:55
NIN101LaoLang_cool: the mounting or your font dir?15:55
LaoLang_coolNIN101: the line is /bin/mount /media/mmc1/home/font/consolas /usr/share/fonts/consolas -o bind15:56
NIN101oh15:56
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NIN101well /media/mmc1 is not mounted at that point iirc.15:57
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LaoLang_coolNIN101: sorry, disconnected again16:01
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NIN101/home/ is mounted at that point, maybe place a folder there.16:02
LaoLang_coolthe line I added in rcS-late is /bin/mount /media/mmc1/home/font/consolas /usr/share/fonts/consolas -o bind16:02
NIN101<NIN101> well /media/mmc1 is not mounted at that point iirc.16:02
NIN101I have to go now.16:02
NIN101bbl16:02
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LaoLang_coolnini01 thank you16:02
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* jonwil is on a mission to identify all the external things one would need to handle in order to replace the ICD daemon with something new16:22
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Phlogistiquehey16:38
Phlogistiqueare there like, different versions of the n900 with slightly different sizes? I just received one that I think may be a forgery16:39
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Phlogistiquehttp://neetwork.net/up/misc/n900_forgery1.jpg <- mine on the left, and the one I just received on the right16:45
Phlogistiquehttp://neetwork.net/up/misc/n900_forgery2.jpg16:45
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dm8tbrPhlogistique: it's missing the nokia logo... and I bet it doesn't boot maemo16:47
Phlogistiquehope I'll be able to get back my money, the guy was a top seller on ebay16:48
jonwilcould have been a stolen/hacked account16:48
jonwilsomeone who stole a top sellers account to sell dodgy crap16:48
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Phlogistiquewould make sense. Well, the top seller would still have to give the money back16:49
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SpeedEvilNo, they wouldn't.16:54
SpeedEvilPaypal may in some circumstances refund your money.16:54
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MohammadAGyou can sue I guess16:59
SpeedEvilGood luck suing people overseas.16:59
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SpeedEvilFirst port of call - contact the seller.17:00
SpeedEvilThen go through the ebay dispute resolution procedure.17:00
SpeedEvilFirst - what was the auction?17:00
Phlogistiquehttp://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400241553335#ht_4377wt_946 this17:02
Phlogistique(yes 71โ‚ฌ. I was naive enough I guess)17:03
SpeedEvilyeah - fake17:03
SpeedEvilno TV on the real one17:03
SpeedEvilUmm - it doesn't even say it's a nokia anywhere on that listing.17:04
Phlogistiqueyes, I just noticed that17:04
Phlogistiquewhen I noticed that it doesn't say Nokia on the telephone itself17:04
nox-whats that, a `nokla'?17:05
SpeedEvilFirst, find out if it works.17:05
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PhlogistiqueSpeedEvil: why?17:05
SpeedEvilIf it works, and is as-described, you're up to the goodwill of the seller if they'll accept it back.17:05
PhlogistiqueI'll try it then17:06
Phlogistiqueoh wow17:08
Phlogistique"Loading" in blue characters17:08
Phlogistique"PONPO" splash screen17:08
Phlogistiquea faux hildon desktop17:08
Phlogistique(it boots much faster though)17:08
SpeedEvilHas france switched off analog TV?17:09
PhlogistiqueSpeedEvil: I think so17:09
Phlogistiquethe unlock slider is incredebly stiff17:09
Phlogistiquethere is a buggy light detector17:10
Phlogistiqueturns off the screen when I put my finger on it17:11
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PhlogistiqueBig "Goodbye" in bold blue characters when I turn it off17:12
Phlogistiquewell17:12
PhlogistiqueThe interface is in poor French17:12
kerioPhlogistique: u mad17:15
Phlogistiquekerio: this one was for a friend17:16
keriooh, then he mad17:16
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keriobut really, the seller did nothing wrong17:16
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Phlogistiquekerio: selling forgeries is illegal17:17
Phlogistiqueand morally wrong17:17
PhlogistiqueI think.17:17
SpeedEvilIt's very similar cosmetically, but it doesn't even say nokia on the listing.17:18
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jonwilI see the fake phones on sites like Engadget all the time17:26
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kerioKIRF is awesome17:27
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Phlogistique /go webo17:44
Phlogistiqueoops17:44
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jonwilfiguring out what the ICD daemon and its plugins do is fun :P17:50
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Phlogistique"Hi friend, we are not selling Nokia phone. The phone we are selling is a phone made in China. We never say that it is Nokia. And we didn't use the picture from Nokia. We just take the photo by ourselves and the photo you see is exactly the one you have received. May be you misunderstand that it is a Nokia phone. As you can see the price is so low. It is just a phone with normal function. It worth its low price. Anyway, you may think about it. We offered 14-d18:50
javispedrojonwil: for some reason I think they use some code from Symbian in there18:51
jonwilhavent seen anything to suggest they do18:52
javispedroI always thought why they went with osso-wlan-security/eapd18:53
jonwilhmmm, havent looked at eapd yet18:53
javispedros/thought/wondered18:53
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smharwhen I run the update manager I see no updates available when I do apt-get upgrade I see 65 upgrades. why is this?20:56
Sicelowhich packages show up as updgradeable via apt?20:59
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smharcamera-ui, clean900, hildon-*, libqt*, modest*, oss* , maemo-* and others21:03
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eichivery strange. after I had information, that there is a new version of power kernel (i did not install it) my desktop is very slow and ofter it stopps half the way on closing/opening effect etc22:09
eichiI did not install anything the last days. and there is also enaught memory free. reboot does not help.22:09
robbiethe1stCould be your optfs needs fsck run...22:10
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psycho_oreosI wouldn't think that just because you received notifications about a new power kernel and you refuse to install it you would get a sluggish response from the device. I'd give what robbiethe1st's suggestion a run, maybe a restore from bm or reflash would be in order. If it isn't the issue with optfs being fragmented it could be some program that is slowing the device down.22:14
jargon-is there an SSU update available for maemo5?22:14
jargon-i'm seeing an indicator on my n900,but nothing on the news section of maemo.org22:14
psycho_oreosrobbiethe1st, btw I tried your premade rootfs image with bm, it made my device reboot after 5-10 seconds of initial bootup22:14
eichithe strange thing is, the cpu is not heavy load if it freezes half the way22:14
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psycho_oreosjargon-, there is security update which bumps your version to PR1.3.122:15
jargon-psycho_oreos: i see. ok thanks22:15
psycho_oreosalso there were threads about it as well22:15
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jonnei just got 'malfunctioning, device shutdown in 10s' :s22:18
jonnewas just about to upgrade the CSSU22:19
NIN101wtf?22:19
jonnestarts up normally, though22:20
psycho_oreosI don't think this is an issue with CSSU, its probably something that you did last which makes the device now un-bootable, it could be something to do with kernel or some experimental packages you installed22:20
jonneand looks like the upgrade worked22:20
jonneweird22:20
eichirobbiethe1st: where is the optfs thing I have to fsck? cant find it22:21
psycho_oreoseichi, you'll need backupmenu in the very least22:22
DocScrutinizereichi: /opt is in fact a dir on /home22:22
DocScrutinizerso it's /home that needs fsck, if any22:22
DocScrutinizerrumour has it CSSU-T17 becomes available today. Seems some dust still has to settle before things stabilize around this update22:25
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eichiits really seems that there is a problem with the refreshing of the screen. because often parts if picture hands. why is /var/log/dpkg.log empty? Thought I can find information about last changes there22:30
eichi*hangs22:30
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NIN101eichi: had for a short time the same issues earlier today.22:49
eichistrange after deleting digiaatscene and ytube and reboot, it works again22:49
jargon-is there a problem with the nokia repos? whenever i start the pkgmgr they fail to update22:49
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jargon-and now the CSSU update download keeps failing at 32KB22:50
NIN101jargon-: lol22:50
NIN101wanted to update miniature22:50
NIN101also failed at 32 KB.22:50
jargon-weird22:50
NIN101indeed22:50
DocScrutinizermeh, Nokia repos temprarily flawed isn't an unheard thing22:51
jargon-DocScrutinizer: aah ok22:51
NIN101miniature isn't on nokia repos22:51
DocScrutinizeresp at weekends, thanks to murphy22:51
jargon-eddie?22:51
DocScrutinizerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy's_law22:52
jargon-aaah i see22:53
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NIN101jargon-: actually, download itself works, just fails to update. I was confused. grml. head->table.22:58
jargon-NIN101: i'll try it again later23:00
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PaliX-Fade, maemo package interface still not see two new versions of kernel-power, please look at it23:06
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smharwhen I run the update manager I see no updates available when I do apt-get upgrade I see 65 upgrades. why is this?23:12
psycho_oreosprobably user/hidden packages or packages being held back23:14
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smharso should I just update with apt-get upgrade? I mean is it safe?23:15
SpeedEvilupgrade may break stuff.23:15
SpeedEvilupdate is safe23:15
SpeedEvilIIRC23:15
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SpeedEvilor maybe I'm confused again.23:16
smharSpeedEvil, ??23:16
SpeedEvilI may be thinking of dist-upgrade23:16
smharyou have to update apt first  in order to upgrade. updating23:16
DocScrutinizer51nah, SpeedEvil is right23:16
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smhardocscrutinizer could you please explain?23:17
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psycho_oreosupdate just refreshes apt lists23:17
DocScrutinizer51dist-upgrade is guaranteed to brea stuff while upgrade has reasonable ptential to do so23:17
MohammadAGupgrade is usually safe23:18
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DocScrutinizer51nah, upgrademis unusually unsafe23:19
MohammadAGwhy?23:19
DocScrutinizer51see backscroll23:19
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DocScrutinizer51it is not safe per se to upgrade 65 pkgs that don't show up in HAM23:20
smharso what is the best way to update my N900?23:20
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psycho_oreosusing HAM and forgetting about the 65 packages23:21
DocScrutinizeropen HAM, click on "update"23:21
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smharcamera-ui, clean900, hildon-*, libqt*, modest*, oss* , maemo-* and others are among the list of 'upgradeable' packages by apt-get23:21
DocScrutinizeryes, and al those are highly critical regarding compatibility with other stuff that might not get upgraded23:22
Sicelowhat is your maemo version smhar?23:22
DocScrutinizerquite usual scenario: you installed a pkg from -devel or -testing, so the repo got added to your catalog list, and now shows updates for all those pkgs you haven't installed from those "unsafe" repos23:23
smharSicelo, 20.2010.36-2 with SSU 20.2010.36-2maemo16.823:24
DocScrutinizersmhar: you probably see an update to CSSU 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1 shortly, and that will come with a lot of updated pkgs23:25
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DocScrutinizerTmaemo1 is actually CSSU1723:26
DocScrutinizeror *maemo17 according to pld naming scheme23:27
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DocScrutinizerold*23:27
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smhargreat, is there a log of what is updated somewhere?23:29
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jonneare there any plans to have more apps support portrait mode in cssu?23:30
jonnelike modest and the contact app?ยต23:30
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jonnectrl-shift-r apparently enables rotation, but how do i make it permanent?23:38
psycho_oreosI wouldn't do that unless you want to see many screwed up portrait modes23:39
jonnei'd just want it to be permanent for modest23:40
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jonneand whatever other apps apparently have proper portrait mode that is disabled23:41
psycho_oreosthere aren't many, unless the maintainer has either made a portrait version most programs aren't23:41
jonnemodest and contacts seem to be ok23:41
jonneand kweetheur does portrait mode without needing to ctrl-shift-r23:42
psycho_oreoshmm I think there's a whitelist file within the latest released version of CSSU which may allow automatic rotation. I could be mistaken otoh23:42
psycho_oreosso does fapman, but those are usually 3rd party softwares23:43
jonnethat would be awesome23:43
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jonnei saw stuff in the forums about a whitelist in transitions.ini, but i guess it hasn't made it into cssu23:52
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MohammadAGit's in the CSSU23:53
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jonnehow do i enable it?23:55
jonnejust add the whitelist line?23:55
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jonnecool, that actually works23:59

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