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| Chat2505 | Hi | 00:43 |
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| Shapeshifter | Uh, can I safely apt-get upgrade right now if I have installed the CSSU? I read something about some official miniature PR. | 00:44 |
| NIN101 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79400 | 00:45 |
| Shapeshifter | "you should not try to update your device (the update will not show up in Application Manager)" I have automatic updates disabled. Can I run apt-get upgrade or should I use crap HAM? | 00:46 |
| Shapeshifter | oh nevermind ."you should not try to update your device (the update will not show up in Application Manager)" | 00:46 |
| Shapeshifter | I'll wait | 00:46 |
| NIN101 | apt-get upgrade sometimes brakes maemo, so don't use it anyway. | 00:48 |
| NIN101 | s/brakes/breakes/ | 00:48 |
| infobot | NIN101 meant: apt-get upgrade sometimes breakes maemo, so don't use it anyway. | 00:48 |
| Shapeshifter | mh. poor fragile maemo. | 00:48 |
| * Shapeshifter pats N900 on the head | 00:48 | |
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| Shapeshifter | Mh. I think there are several things wrong with kernel-power. | 00:54 |
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| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: what a coincidence! I think so too! | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: apt-get upgrade been deprecated always | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: would you mind to get specific about that? | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I agree that a lot of the pulled-in/enabled patches/modules haven't seen proper review and evaluation | 01:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but I'm not goinf to do a complete review on *all* those, and even when I did I for sure won't spot all oopsies | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | so some pointers about where to dig are welcome | 01:38 |
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| merlin1991 | someone with n900 +cssu pleace paste the output of apt-cache policy qtm-maemo-metapackage | 01:54 |
| merlin1991 | s/pleace/please/ | 01:54 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: someone with n900 +cssu please paste the output of apt-cache policy qtm-maemo-metapackage | 01:54 |
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| andre__ | merlin1991, for 16.8: "Installed: 1.3-2+0m5 | Candidate: 1.3-2+0m5 | Version table: | *** 1.3-2+0m5 0 | 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 02:00 |
| merlin1991 | thanks andre__ | 02:00 |
| andre__ | np | 02:00 |
| Zer0cool | hey people | 02:00 |
| merlin1991 | andre__: can you check dsme-thermalobject-surface too please? | 02:01 |
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| andre__ | merlin1991: 0.0.1+0m5 everywhere, rest is the same | 02:02 |
| merlin1991 | thanks again | 02:02 |
| merlin1991 | weird the cssu metapackge depends on those even though they defenitely come from the orginal pr | 02:02 |
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| Zer0cool | been trying to get queenbeecon to open xterm an run this command , osso-xterm -e ' sudo arp-scan --interface=wlan0 --localnet but i cant get xterm to stay open can anybody help | 02:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Try something like 'sh-c 'arp-scan .... ; sleep 1h'' | 02:04 |
| Zer0cool | i even tryed creating arp.sh adding in the command to that an issue command to run script but it still closes | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | You need to wait at the end | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | somehow | 02:05 |
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| Zer0cool | i was told to add an & at the end but still same | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | that won't hekp | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | you need something to explicitly wait | 02:06 |
| merlin1991 | damn I should have written it down the last time | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | add sleep 1h at the end of the script | 02:07 |
| Zer0cool | humm then im stuck , will try now ... | 02:07 |
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| merlin1991 | we've found an answer for that problem, but I have no clue when | 02:07 |
| Zer0cool | i had similar problem while back but same commands wont work this time... | 02:08 |
| Zer0cool | if i add sleep to the end still same issue | 02:08 |
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| merlin1991 | damn I'm at the very last package to compile and now I fail on msgfmt missing | 02:10 |
| merlin1991 | nfc wich package holds that file | 02:11 |
| NIN101 | Zer0cool: and last time you have been told to put the stuff in shellscript with +x permission IIRC | 02:11 |
| luke-jr | [18:33:51] <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: would you mind to get specific about that? <--- ? | 02:12 |
| Zer0cool | NIN101 i already did that thanks ... | 02:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ??? | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: <Shapeshifter> Mh. I think there are several things wrong with kernel-power. <luke-jr> Shapeshifter: what a coincidence! I think so too! | 02:20 |
| luke-jr | oh | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: would you mind to get specific about that? I agree that a lot of the pulled-in/enabled patches/modules haven't seen proper review and evaluation. but I'm not goinf to do a complete review on *all* those, and even when I did I for sure won't spot all oopsies | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | <DocScrutinizer> so some pointers about where to dig are welcome | 02:21 |
| LaoLang_cool | How to set xterm's foreground/background? In settting gui, I can't set the clor in color code, say #ffffff | 02:22 |
| LaoLang_cool | I want to set it presicely | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompls | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/ | 02:23 |
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| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: I can't find the info that I want, could you point me out please?... | 02:28 |
| Zer0cool | @doc what ever happened to maemo-hackers.org is the site dead now ?? | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry this is all I know about it, can't point you to anything better. Just thought it might help | 02:28 |
| Zer0cool | thanks for link to osso-xterm | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Zer0cool: no idea | 02:29 |
| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: thanks all the same. I thought xterm should have a .Xdefaults concept like it does on xorg. | 02:29 |
| merlin1991 | how dare you maemo.org/packages to be down NOW! | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, seems osso-xterm is quite different in some respects | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: before my N900 went unusable before my vacation, it rebooted whenever I tried to use mobile hotspot; it also randomly stopped responding to incoming connections | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway first ³ on that page I linked is about 256color thingie, so I thought it might be related | 02:31 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: when reinstalling, using the latest version rendered my N900 unbootable | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: duh, that's sth that probably shouldn't need a ticket ;) | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have to admit I never tested a newer version than 46? | 02:33 |
| luke-jr | the latest I could find working is 42 | 02:34 |
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| Zer0cool | does anybody know if you can open a port on N900 ?? | 02:39 |
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| pigeon | is there a way to allow the "Notes" app on the n900 to run multiple instances (or just multiple windows)? | 03:16 |
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| merlin1991 | does someone have an example of an application that uses qt-mobility, but teh version from the pr image/sdk and not the one from extras-devel? | 04:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pigeon: nope | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik at least | 06:07 |
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| Caminomaster | hi | 06:15 |
| Caminomaster | i have a n810 | 06:15 |
| Caminomaster | But I haven't upgraded my system, so I having troubles with microB, flash and chat | 06:16 |
| Caminomaster | i read about a "seamless update", but i don't know how I soudl proceed | 06:17 |
| mgedmin | Caminomaster, here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 06:21 |
| mgedmin | ought to be a description | 06:21 |
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| mgedmin | you've two choices: the seamless upgrade (aka over the air), or reflashing (wipes data, so back up) | 06:22 |
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| luke-jr | Caminomaster: N810 is pretty hopeless | 06:22 |
| Caminomaster | hopeless?, luke-jr? | 06:23 |
| mgedmin | to use the SSU, open the app manager and look for a 'Maemo' update | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | Caminomaster: slonopotamus and I maintain Gentoo for it, but that's the best you'll get I think | 06:23 |
| Caminomaster | in what way? | 06:23 |
| mgedmin | if you don't see it, then flashing is your only option | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | Caminomaster: Nokia has abandoned Maemo entirely, let alone the 2-generations old version on N810 | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | mgedmin: do they even run the SSU anymore? | 06:23 |
| mgedmin | good question | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | Caminomaster: Nokia is 100% Microsoft now | 06:23 |
| mgedmin | I don't see why not | 06:24 |
| mgedmin | shutting things down takes effort :) | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | mgedmin: less than continuing to pay the hosting bill | 06:24 |
| mgedmin | unless they use the same hardware for N9 repos | 06:24 |
| Caminomaster | omg! Nokia has fallen into the dark side of the force! | 06:25 |
| luke-jr | ugh, N9 was such a joke | 06:25 |
| adrianuy | Microsoft will eat to Nokia | 06:26 |
| Caminomaster | unless Android become available for nokia devices | 06:28 |
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| Caminomaster | luke-jr, have I to add any repo to make this maemo update available? | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | what maemo update? | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | maemo is dead | 06:31 |
| Caminomaster | hehe | 06:36 |
| Caminomaster | last question was for mgedmin, so escuse me luke | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | :P | 06:39 |
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| Caminomaster | bye 2 everyone | 06:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you are not really nice to that guy | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | you at least could have told him that he needs to flash to a newer version of diablo to get *any* SSU to work, N810 never came with SSU working OOTB | 06:58 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: mine did O.o | 07:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 07:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project | 07:09 |
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| pigeon | DocScrutinizer: sad, thanks. | 07:19 |
| pigeon | it's a bit of a shame that it's pretty good at doing multitasking and multi windowing though i can only open one note at a time. | 07:20 |
| pigeon | same for e-mail, can only show one window (e-mail) at a time. | 07:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HAHA @ http://www.nokia.com/OS2008 | 07:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?q=http://www.nokia.com/OS2008 | 07:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/nokia-n810/software-update/whats-new | 07:31 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr: i thought you've destroyed your n810 | 07:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hahaha feature update .23->.30 (actually incl kernel and all shit, some 12MB), boot, check again: feature update .30->.36, 24MB -> "PROBLEM: pre-installed-documentation-rx44(=5.4) missing, update not possible" >:-( brilliant Nokia, really brilliant! | 07:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | (^^^ diablo) | 07:51 |
| slonopotamus | what are you doing? :-/ | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | updating my spare N810 as long as google yields some hits for "N810" | 07:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | the on-device bookmarks suggested http://nokia.com/OS2008 -- google got me to http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/nokia-n810/software-update/whats-new | 07:54 |
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| slonopotamus | hmm... i have 5.2010.33-1 here | 07:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on N810? | 07:57 |
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| slonopotamus | n800 | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | hummm | 07:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lemme check | 07:58 |
| slonopotamus | at least it claims so | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4.2008.30-2 | 07:59 |
| slonopotamus | maybe that's cssu? | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite possibly | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought it'd be a good idea to update to latest official befor I enable diabli CSSU | 08:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | diablo* | 08:00 |
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| slonopotamus | http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project yes | 08:00 |
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| slonopotamus | meh. diablo kernel doesn't play well with glibc >= 2.12 | 08:03 |
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| Macer | is bt dun done automatically? | 08:24 |
| Macer | i'm about to try to tether my transformer to my n900 using bt | 08:24 |
| Macer | if at all possible. i am trying to avoid wifi hotspot | 08:24 |
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| Macer | hm | 08:27 |
| Macer | don't know how to do the bt dun in android :) | 08:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | android on N900 -> #nitdroid | 08:31 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | what is the metapackage where all non-sdk maemo packages exist | 08:39 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i just want runtime stuff with no development headers | 08:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errrr | 08:45 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i mean, if I installed mp-fremantle-community-pr wouldn't that basically give a base CSSU install for maemo | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 08:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not supposed to get installed that way | 08:46 |
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| Macer | damnit | 08:53 |
| Macer | ok. it isn't the transformer | 08:53 |
| Macer | it is the bluetooth-dun maemo use | 08:53 |
| Macer | when pairing it doesn't see the dun profile | 08:54 |
| Macer | am i missing something here? | 08:54 |
| Macer | i remeber on my netbook and macbook that this just worked :) | 08:54 |
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| Macer | does the bluetooth dun require the advanced kernel or something? | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: WAAH help!! I installed diablo CSSU, checked/enabled the catalog, hit update/refresh in appmanager several times, but I'm nailed to OS2008 4.2008.30-2 and according to changelog also no fixes in busybox | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, nuttin a apt-get upGRADE won't fix, eh? X-P | 09:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 75 pkgs updating | 09:07 |
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| Macer | on an n810? | 09:16 |
| Macer | that should take a day :) | 09:16 |
| Termana | heh | 09:16 |
| Macer | oh | 09:19 |
| Macer | i guess i need ot use pan? | 09:19 |
| Macer | i thought bluetooth-dun used pan as a way to connect | 09:20 |
| Macer | i also need an "advanced" kernel and iptables? | 09:20 |
| Macer | wtf :) | 09:20 |
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| Macer | thank you so much robbiethe1st | 09:21 |
| Macer | lol | 09:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: busybox ls -Q fixed but still 4.2008.30-2 | 09:31 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/09/aussie_retailers_selling_samsung_galaxy_tab/ <-- heh | 09:41 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/10/barnes_noble_complain_doj/ <-- heh | 09:44 |
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| Macer | damnit | 09:56 |
| Macer | i was trying to duck using wifi | 09:56 |
| Macer | but i can't seem to get the bluetooth dun working :( | 09:56 |
| Macer | ah well.. maybe i will give it another try later on. hopefully this wifi doesn't murder the battery too bad. last time i used it... it was eating up battery fster than the N900 could charge. | 09:57 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I think kernel power is broken because I a) at least feel like I've seen more application crashes B) consistently see a bug where the N900 will only boot 1 out of 4 times if USB is connected and 3) applications protocols kept stop working randomly. | 10:15 |
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| jonwil | bah, I need to find someone who knows something about Gecko internals :( | 10:17 |
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| * jonwil suspects irc.mozilla.org is the best place to find such a person | 10:18 | |
| jonwil | or the mozilla mailing lists | 10:18 |
| Macer | try fidonet | 10:19 |
| LaoLang_cool | hello, maemoers! | 10:19 |
| * Macer grins | 10:19 | |
| LaoLang_cool | Curious if the maemo development is still going on | 10:19 |
| Macer | lol | 10:19 |
| Macer | LaoLang_cool: go to #maemo-ssu ... those guys do stuff | 10:19 |
| Macer | they're buzy bees doing things for us leeches to consume | 10:20 |
| LaoLang_cool | ssu, aha! | 10:20 |
| LaoLang_cool | community pr | 10:20 |
| Macer | yeah.. they're doin a bang up job | 10:21 |
| merlin1991 | LaoLang_cool: about the weechat I compiled you, it should have perl and python support | 10:21 |
| Macer | get to have cool things ie a portrait home screen/desktop | 10:21 |
| merlin1991 | you might need to install some packages though | 10:21 |
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| LaoLang_cool | merlin1991: oh, I will have a try again | 10:30 |
| LaoLang_cool | Will check if it's on extra-devel repo, I've reflashed my n900 so everything has gone | 10:30 |
| merlin1991 | I didn't upload it to extras-devel | 10:31 |
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| * jonwil doubts there is anyone out there who truly understands the internals of the beast called Gecko... | 10:53 | |
| LaoLang_cool | merlin1991: oh, will install it from pkg file | 10:54 |
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| cityLights | ~seen DocScrutinizer | 11:05 |
| infobot | docscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (21h 26m 23s) #n9 (21h 26m 23s) #harmattan (21h 26m 23s) #meego (21h 26m 23s) #openmoko (21h 26m 23s) #infobot (21h 26m 23s) #openmoko-cdevel (21h 26m 23s). Has said a total of 262 messages. Is idling for 35m 39s, last said: 'whatever LEAP is'. | 11:05 |
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| LaoLang_cool | does xterm support visualbeep ? | 11:20 |
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| FireFly | Hi. I accidentally screwed up and get the "dots progress bar" forever on boot. I think this is because of a single file. Is there any way I can modify the filesystem without having to (properly) boot the N900? | 11:51 |
| FireFly | (I was trying to setup a dotfiles syncing system, and I think I accidentally copied my desktop .xinitrc to /home/user on the N900.. not the most clever thing to do, I suppose :P) | 11:54 |
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| luke-jr | FireFly: there's a rescue kernel image somewhere you can boot | 12:15 |
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| FireFly | Thanks, I'll give it a try | 12:17 |
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| FireFly | luke-jr, I can't seem to be able to write special characters (requirin fn/altgr) though.. and in this case the problematic file lies in /home, so it's not mounted by default by the rescue kernel | 12:34 |
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| FireFly | requiring* | 12:34 |
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| FireFly | All right, looks like .xinitrc wasn't the problem.. hm | 12:41 |
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| mece | jonwil, you have a thread dedicated to you: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79852 | 12:44 |
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| jonwil | yep, I saw | 12:51 |
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| jonwil | I have no idea how easy it will be to clone the vkb widget code | 12:52 |
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| asmundg | Khweeteur 0.5.27 seems to stop fetching updates from twitter after a while, requiring a restart of the program to get it working again. Has anyone seen that? | 12:52 |
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| cityLights | back from lunch | 13:05 |
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| jonwil | I think I found the answer for my Google Transit problem. There is a display of a "M" logo at a railway station on Nokia Maps. If I find the png file for that "M" logo, I can find out where its drawn | 13:42 |
| jonwil | And from there figure out this stuff works | 13:42 |
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| totalizator | hi guys, do you know if I can replace the plastic keyboard border in n900 without disassembling the device? | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer ^ | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | At the very least, you don't need to dissasemble the screen - I'm unsure of the rest. | 13:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | HAve you read the l1/l2 repair manual | 13:56 |
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| totalizator | SpeedEvil: that's a relief; the manual? | 14:00 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 14:00 |
| markinfo | hallo. How should be encoded Video to be optimaly played on Nokia n900? | 14:00 |
| SpeedEvil | There is a page on the wiki | 14:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | I use mplayers default 'avi' encoding. | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | This is very, very far from optimal, but works for me. | 14:03 |
| markinfo | avi is container - or? | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | avi is container, but mplayer has a default it picks if you dn't specify anything | 14:04 |
| markinfo | i will lok on wiki - tehere is probably some hardware acceleration for some specific codec. | 14:04 |
| SpeedEvil | There is. | 14:04 |
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| totalizator | SpeedEvil: thx, got it but nothing there, just a complete disassembly guide | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | totalizator: err - yes. You read the guide, and work out at what point you can stop, in order to get the keyboard out. | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | And what steps you can omit. | 14:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer has replaced his keyboard - he may not be around right now though. | 14:06 |
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| totalizator | SpeedEvil: but I want to replace just the plastic cover | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | the keyboard is held in by the bezel IIRC - so removing one is removing the other | 14:10 |
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| totalizator | SpeedEvil: ok, thx; I'll just try to find someone who has already did this | 14:12 |
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| jonwil | whats wrong with your keyboard bezel? | 14:40 |
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| LaoLang_cool | hello! | 14:43 |
| LaoLang_cool | I want to copy string into clipboard in vim, how to do that? I don't want to click xterm menu and copy, too slow | 14:44 |
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| Macer | ctrl c | 14:47 |
| Macer | ctrl v | 14:48 |
| LaoLang_cool | Macer: in vim, ctrl-c is to cancel, ctrl-v is visual selection. | 14:48 |
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| Macer | ctrl on the qwerty? | 14:53 |
| Macer | oh | 14:53 |
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| Macer | then there isnt much of an alternative since vim is mapped that way | 14:54 |
| Macer | change the mappings in vim :) | 14:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | screen, too. | 14:56 |
| Macer | whats wrong with screen? | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | You can copy/'paste with it | 14:57 |
| Macer | does screen use ctrl v or c? :) | 14:57 |
| Macer | oh | 14:57 |
| Macer | yeah but that is using screen.. would screen allow for using the stylus as a selection? | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Probably not. | 14:57 |
| LaoLang_cool | SpeedEvil: screen can't copy the string into system clipboard too | 14:58 |
| LaoLang_cool | I want to exchange contents between vim and system | 14:59 |
| Macer | cant wait to get this synology disk station i ordered | 14:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | LaoLang_cool: True. | 15:01 |
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| LaoLang_cool | SpeedEvil: click xterm's menu then select copy is too slow, can I configure it to pop up in more speedy | 15:02 |
| Macer | i am sure you can remap vim tho | 15:02 |
| LaoLang_cool | click menu then I need to wait at most 0.5 second | 15:03 |
| LaoLang_cool | Macer: remap is no problem, just don't know how to make the selection go into system's clipboard | 15:03 |
| LaoLang_cool | 0.7 second I think :) too long to wait | 15:04 |
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| LaoLang_cool | merlin1991: hi, I think weechat can be uploaded to the repo, any reason not to do it?? | 15:04 |
| vdv | i click on program icon in the app list to launch it, but it's only higlighted and program is not executed (i check process list remotely via ssh). what can be reason for that? if i run app from terminal it starts normally | 15:05 |
| vdv | program is the latest version of qstardict | 15:06 |
| vdv | 1.0 | 15:06 |
| vdv | i've built and created deb package myself, seems i've did something wrong... | 15:07 |
| Macer | remap vim | 15:12 |
| Macer | use clipboard ctrl x c v | 15:13 |
| Macer | well | 15:13 |
| Macer | c and v | 15:13 |
| Macer | i am guessing you cant cut | 15:13 |
| Macer | or | 15:13 |
| Macer | use a non xterm editor | 15:13 |
| Macer | :) | 15:13 |
| LaoLang_cool | Macer: ctrl x c v doesn't equal to cut/copy/paste at all | 15:15 |
| LaoLang_cool | and the string cut/copied/pasted doesn't go into system's clipboard | 15:16 |
| LaoLang_cool | They are managed by vim | 15:16 |
| LaoLang_cool | remap isn't an issue, the issue is how to make the selection in vim go into system's clipboard without using the copy functio provided by vim | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | You're gonna need to add it to vim, I think. | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Presumably, there is some wayfor an app to dump as tring to the system clipboard. | 15:18 |
| LaoLang_cool | SpeedEvil: you mean that these is no way to do it at present? | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It seems unlikely. | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Assuming vim is simply a compiled 'normal' vim. | 15:19 |
| LaoLang_cool | Or any tools that can be piped strings to it and make it go into clipboard? | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Then it will have basically been designed to run on a terminal. | 15:20 |
| Corsac | xclip | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | There is no general clipboard on most terminals, so it's unlikely to support it. yeah. | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | That's possible. | 15:20 |
| LaoLang_cool | Corsac: xclip support the system clipboard? nice, I'll try | 15:20 |
| Corsac | I don't know what “system clipboard” is | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can tell vim to spit the string to xclip, or something. | 15:20 |
| Corsac | xclip is for X clipboard | 15:20 |
| Corsac | note that when vim is compiled with X support, it'll happily paste to the X buffer | 15:21 |
| LaoLang_cool | SpeedEvil: I'm curious why vim on n900 has compiled the feature to support xclipboard | 15:21 |
| SpeedEvil | hm | 15:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - I forgot all about xvim | 15:21 |
| LaoLang_cool | Corsac: see my post :) vim has compiled the feauture | 15:21 |
| SpeedEvil | please ignore the last | 15:21 |
| LaoLang_cool | I think n900 isn't use xorg, so it doesn't work | 15:22 |
| LaoLang_cool | So I'm curious if xclip would work too | 15:22 |
| LaoLang_cool | will try it | 15:22 |
| Corsac | hmhm, now after removing the account and rebooting, it's meegotouchhome and commhistoryd which fight for the cpu | 15:22 |
| * Corsac cries | 15:22 | |
| SpeedEvil | This is n950? | 15:23 |
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| LaoLang_cool | seems I can't find xclip vi apt-get... | 15:24 |
| LaoLang_cool | I'm curious that why vim on n900 doesn't compiled the feature 'autochdir' | 15:25 |
| Corsac | SpeedEvil: N9 | 15:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ah | 15:34 |
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| markinfo | is someone using Avidemux? On http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding is written "et the video codec: "MPEG-4 AVC", click the "configure" button underneath it and choose the downloaded "Configuration". But how to do "choose the downloaded "Configuration"" ? | 15:39 |
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| merlin1991 | LaoLang_cool: my reason not to upload to the repo was that it isn't a properly packaged package, it was jsut quick and dirty to get it done | 17:03 |
| merlin1991 | The voting of the Maemo Community / MeeGo Coding Competition 2011 is now open, and you have received this email as you are eligible to vote. wtf? | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | wtf? | 17:04 |
| LaoLang_cool | merlin1991: I have perl python installed on maemo, but weechat doesn't work with them(i.e., no plugin supported) | 17:04 |
| merlin1991 | strange | 17:05 |
| LaoLang_cool | merlin1991: what is proper way? Anyway it' works. | 17:05 |
| merlin1991 | for example have the plugins work properly ;) | 17:06 |
| LaoLang_cool | merlin1991: i'm on n900 now! :) Thank you! | 17:06 |
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| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: I kinda missed that whole coding competition, and I have nfc why I'm eligible to vote | 17:06 |
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| LaoLang_cool | merlin1991: At least it can work, extra-devel means it still on devel stage, so it's acceptable | 17:08 |
| LaoLang_cool | from my view ;p | 17:08 |
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| merlin1991 | oh one just has to be registered on maemo.org for more than 4th to get that mail | 17:08 |
| merlin1991 | interesting | 17:08 |
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| LaoLang_cool | time to bed, see you! | 17:11 |
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| minttux | hi | 17:47 |
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| minttux | is it possible to run command on debian chroot from maemo terminal? | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes. | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | cd /where/ever | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | chroot . bash | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | If you mean X commands, it's going to be more interesting, as you're gonna need to peroperly set the xommand to the fake X server. | 17:51 |
| minttux | for example i would like run mysql but it installed in debian.but i want to run it from maemo x-terminal | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | 'sqlite3' won't work? | 17:52 |
| minttux | i need php-cli | 17:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | You may be able to run more, if you add the libraries at teh end of /etc/ld.so.conf - and then add the easy-debian dirs to your path | 17:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Err - LD_LIBRARY_PATH is probably more sane than so.conf | 17:54 |
| rly | I recently setup USB over ethernet, but after a reboot it apparently doesn't work anymore. | 17:54 |
| rly | Is the order in which setup the different parts of interest? | 17:54 |
| minttux | what do you mean by easy-debian dirs? for example path of php-cli in debian? | 17:54 |
| rly | E.g. do ifconfig on the host first and only later do the PC suite connection, etc.? | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | minttux: easy-debian mounts its own filesystem somewhere. | 17:55 |
| SpeedEvil | That is not on the normal path | 17:55 |
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| rly | My ifconfig on the host shows the following for the usb connection: Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 1B-30-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 | 18:04 |
| rly | How do I make it show a correct value there? | 18:04 |
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| rly | Never mind. | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | ifconfig... | 18:07 |
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| HaXeri | would there be any ease way to make my N900 turn to silent mode (profile) when it discovers a certain wlan network | 18:18 |
| NIN101 | dbus + /etc/network/if-up.d/ | 18:22 |
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| rly | How can I automatically execute ifconfig <device> up when I insert hte n900? | 18:24 |
| rly | the* | 18:24 |
| rly | (on Debian) | 18:24 |
| rly | I am already using SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0421", ATTRS{idProduct}=="01c8", ATTRS{manufacturer}=="Nokia", ATTRS{product}=="N900 (PC-Suite Mode)", NAME="n900" | 18:25 |
| rly | But that isn't really responsible for that. | 18:25 |
| rly | The allow-hotplug doesn't automatically 'up' the interface. | 18:25 |
| rly | No idea as to why. | 18:26 |
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| NIN101 | HaXeri: Do you mean when it connects? | 18:35 |
| NIN101 | to a wlan network. | 18:35 |
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| HaXeri | no | 18:36 |
| ZogG_N9 | hey | 18:36 |
| HaXeri | when i go to schoolbuilding i never remember to turn it silent | 18:36 |
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| NIN101 | well then I am not aware of an easy way. | 18:39 |
| NIN101 | besides scaning the in intervals via iwconfig, but this drains the battery. | 18:40 |
| NIN101 | s/iwconfig/iwlist/ | 18:41 |
| infobot | NIN101 meant: besides scaning the in intervals via iwlist, but this drains the battery. | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | totalizator: to swap keymat you just need to remove the 2 torx screws and the frame around kbd comes off | 18:56 |
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| AndrewX192 | How well does the N9 terminal emulator work? Is it anything in comparison to X-Terminal on the Nokia N900? | 18:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | totalizator: loosing the philips screws a lil bit may help, as you can "bend" away the screen slide then by 0.5mm | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | totalizator: took me like 10 min to swap the keymat and re-insert the frame to the hooks at "upper" end, but I didn't unscrew anything completely except the 2 torx under the frame | 19:01 |
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| neal | DocScrutinizer: I can't find any info about replacing the clock battery, but I think you've posted something. DO you have some keywords I can use to search? Thanks. | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, lemme try to find sth for you | 20:57 |
| neal | thanks | 20:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | neal: http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the last one might be a search term to spot convo logs | 21:01 |
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| neal | thanks! | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf | 21:02 |
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| neal | second question: since one of my n900s no longer charges although the usb port has not fallen out, do you think that the usb port's legs are broken? | 21:03 |
| neal | and if so, do you think a repair shop has a chance of fixing it? | 21:03 |
| neal | ouch! Es fällt eine Pauschale (Verpackung, Verzollung, Versand) von €20,00 einmalig pro Auftrag an | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-01.log.html#t2011-03-01T15:27:43 | 21:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | neal: First try another cable | 21:07 |
| neal | I did | 21:07 |
| neal | I tried a couple | 21:08 |
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| neal | and the calbe works (I charged a different n900 using it) | 21:08 |
| SpeedEvil | K | 21:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | neal: (2nd Q) yes, and yes | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | neal: | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix | 21:10 |
| infobot | usbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 21:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | neal: (20€) I'd buy 5 cells at 2.50€ each from you ;-D | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 10 @ 1.80€ | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dang, #meego still got 31 users more than #maemo | 21:22 |
| x29a | soon | 21:22 |
| neal | DocScrutinizer: I'll likely buy them. | 21:23 |
| neal | DocScrutinizer: Do you know anyone else who is interested? | 21:23 |
| merlin1991 | neal: what are you ordering? | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | given my bookmark was IL.farnell.com I think either moh or ZogG or dunno somebody else over there asked me | 21:24 |
| neal | merlin1991: Replacement capacitor for the n900 | 21:24 |
| merlin1991 | hehe I need that too | 21:24 |
| merlin1991 | mine's been dead since about a year | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | they all die | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | as these are not capacitors but LiIon cels that are very poorly manufactured | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I hope for a near infinite life for the replacement I suggested | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's already tested to work | 21:26 |
| neal | the replacement is a capacitor, right? | 21:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | will not offer the >1 year standby of a good LiIon bupbat, but then a LiIon seems dead for good after <1year | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | neal: yes | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shall power your RTC for > 1 week, with main battery removed | 21:27 |
| neal | I guess I can order a bunch. | 21:28 |
| neal | merlin1991: does 3 euros sound fair? | 21:28 |
| neal | for one | 21:28 |
| x29a | for a powercap? | 21:28 |
| neal | ~2 euros each plus postage to .at | 21:28 |
| x29a | yeah, why not | 21:28 |
| merlin1991 | sounds fair | 21:28 |
| neal | ok | 21:29 |
| neal | DocScrutinizer: Have you actually tried this, btw? | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what? ordering? or the cap as replacement? | 21:30 |
| neal | using the cap as a replacement | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | some users in here did it and said "thank you so much Doc" | 21:31 |
| neal | ok | 21:31 |
| merlin1991 | hm where did that l1/l2 pdf go | 21:31 |
| merlin1991 | I know I have it *somewhere* | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | locate | 21:32 |
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| neal | of course, the quote was without tax :/ | 21:32 |
| merlin1991 | on a windows box doc :/ | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0 | 21:33 |
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| merlin1991 | lmao | 21:34 |
| merlin1991 | guess where I found | 21:34 |
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| merlin1991 | *it* | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | C: | 21:34 |
| merlin1991 | on the n9 | 21:35 |
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| neal | excellent | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 21:35 |
| neal | Sie sind Privatkunde, möchten aber auf das umfangreiche Produktangebot von Farnell zugreifen? Wenden Sie sich bitte an unseren autorisierten Fachhandelspartner ( | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 21:35 |
| merlin1991 | rofl | 21:35 |
| neal | and they don't have the part | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF | 21:35 |
| x29a | neal: where are you from? | 21:36 |
| neal | I'm in germany | 21:36 |
| x29a | reichelt.de conrad.de buerklin.de | 21:36 |
| neal | x29a: Do I have an accent :-) | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | conrad :-x | 21:36 |
| neal | I don't like conrad :-) | 21:36 |
| x29a | neal: are you by any chance a student? they can order at farnell | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and conrad doesn't have that cap | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 21:37 |
| neal | reichelt doesn't seem to have it either | 21:37 |
| neal | I am a student. I didn't see that option. | 21:38 |
| x29a | neal: they need a proof of your student status, just email them | 21:38 |
| neal | do you think they'll let me order so many of one part? | 21:38 |
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| x29a | yep | 21:39 |
| x29a | http://de.farnell.com/jsp/support/support.jsp?formpage=farnell/de/support/help/faq.jsp#GH | 21:39 |
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| x29a | "Ja, Studenten sind bei der Online-Bestellung willkommen und haben Anspruch auf einen 12%igen Rabatt" | 21:39 |
| neal | oh, 12% rebate :) | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | neal: farnell doesn't tell me any crap about students only etc | 21:48 |
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| neal | DocScrutinizer: I was on http://de.farnell.com | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | completed step1 of "KAsse" with their standard kundennummer and PIN for new customers | 21:49 |
| neal | DocScrutinizer: When I went to check out, I saw the message I cited | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | payment "Rechnung" | 21:49 |
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| neal | DocScrutinizer: I didn't try to go further figuring that they'd reject me or ask for a vat id | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0<< | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | err sorry | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>Meine Bestellung : 2. Lieferdetails<< | 21:50 |
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| x29a | docscrutinizer: is the fact that i said that students can order there (and did it already myself) not legitimate enough? | 21:50 |
| neal | if you order some, I'll buy 4 from you for 2.50 each :) | 21:51 |
| x29a | why are you not ordering? | 21:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm not going to proceed on that for now | 21:51 |
| neal | because DocScrutinizeris | 21:51 |
| neal | :) | 21:51 |
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| x29a | ok, im obviously missing an important part of the conversation | 21:52 |
| x29a | though you were the one ordering stuff | 21:52 |
| neal | yeah, but now I need to scan stuff | 21:52 |
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| neal | = delay | 21:52 |
| x29a | omg | 21:52 |
| neal | ? | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | https://de.farnell.com/jsp/checkout/shipping.jsp?clear=true&_requestid=XXXXXXXXXXXX | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | haven't seen *any* rant about "we won't sell to you" | 21:53 |
| neal | now I want the 12% discount too :) | 21:53 |
| x29a | docscrutinizer: continue to buy, they will email you, that only students and companies can order there | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 21:53 |
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| x29a | docscrutinizer: and it says "sie sind privatkunde..." at the bottom of the page you linked | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *am* a company, so how would they pester me with such BS? | 21:54 |
| x29a | then there is no problem ordering | 21:54 |
| x29a | whats your point? | 21:54 |
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| neal | I still need 3 more people to review my packages for Woodchuck: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1118751&postcount=4 , thanks. | 21:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | email from farnell-> >> Sie haben Ihr persönliches Webkonto auf www.farnell.de erfolgreich eröffnet und haben jetzt Zugriff auf das führende Angebot im Bereich Halbleiter, Passive, Automatisierungstechnik, Instandhaltung und Werkstattbedarf. Der Benutzername Ihres Webkontos lautet: ...<< | 22:03 |
| x29a | gz | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | neal, I can't see why you couldn't order at farnell | 22:04 |
| x29a | docscrutinizer: if you order as a private person, they will reject your order once you place it and tell you to use their distributor | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's insane | 22:05 |
| x29a | only company accounts (with valid vat numbers and stuff) or students can order there | 22:05 |
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| x29a | works for them, obviously. its a bit shady, agreed | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and btw I had no chance to even enter my valid VAT number naywhere | 22:06 |
| x29a | i never registered as a company, the support will help you though | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: when you create account they ask for that stuff | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, they didn't | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | what are you buying? | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm already registered | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I have no time for that now | 22:08 |
| jacekowski | iirc you have to do it on paper if you are company | 22:08 |
| jacekowski | and then you get credit with them and whatnot | 22:08 |
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| n900backer | is it possible conversation notify us when someone gets online? | 22:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | n900backer: maybe dbus-monitor would reveal sth. I don't think there's a function to do that ootb | 22:24 |
| n900backer | DocScrutinizer:tnx | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dbus scripting would do the trick if you can find a dbus msg that tells about online status of a contact changed | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry I can't do that as I have *no* contacts that change their status | 22:27 |
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| merlin1991 | anyone wanna play guinea pig for cssu stable? | 22:52 |
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| neal | over the weekend, I'll likely have time | 22:53 |
| neal | what needs to be checked? | 22:53 |
| merlin1991 | technically it should just work (tm), but we wan't to check it running on a few devices before we push it into the repos | 22:54 |
| neal | ok | 22:54 |
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| Sicelo | how much data will this involve? | 22:54 |
| merlin1991 | ~30 mb | 22:55 |
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| Sicelo | tomorrow then (not enough bandwidth here atm) | 22:56 |
| Sicelo | i guess i'll have to disable devel repo | 22:57 |
| merlin1991 | devel as in extras-devel or cssu-testing? | 22:57 |
| Sicelo | extras-devel | 22:58 |
| merlin1991 | no problem with that | 22:59 |
| merlin1991 | only thing that doesn't work is going from cssu-testing to cssu-stable | 22:59 |
| Sicelo | i'm jst on pr1.3.1, with pk47 | 23:00 |
| Sicelo | s/js/jus/ | 23:00 |
| infobot | Sicelo meant: i'm just on pr1.3.1, with pk47 | 23:00 |
| merlin1991 | should work just fine (and I hope after you tested we can say it indeed works fine :D) | 23:00 |
| Sicelo | np. i've been wanting to go cssu route since a week ago | 23:01 |
| merlin1991 | so far it only runs on my n900 so I don't want to generalise yet | 23:01 |
| merlin1991 | btw anybody who wants to peak what's going to come with stable: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable | 23:03 |
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| Sicelo | i must remember to remove modified-hildon-desktop too :/ | 23:05 |
| merlin1991 | yes that is important | 23:05 |
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| merlin1991 | when cssu started we had an average of 3 cases with cssu + modified-h-d --> endless updates with no results | 23:06 |
| merlin1991 | *average per day* | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | neal: check camera and modest | 23:06 |
| neal | DocScrutinizer: ? | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | in Stable | 23:07 |
| Sicelo | in cssu i will be able to do that ctrl-bkspc thing on DocScrutinizer's tools page? | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:07 |
| neal | oh, now I understand what you mean | 23:07 |
| neal | sorry | 23:07 |
| neal | will do | 23:07 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: camera and modest are not touched by stable | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: exactly | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what needs check | 23:08 |
| merlin1991 | ah yeah, true | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as that's "all new" in S | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | news is there's no news now ;-D | 23:09 |
| Sicelo | btw, what is hildon-home? | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the occasional listener: Stable has no improvements to camera and modest/mail as they are not considered stable yet | 23:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so that's sth you won't get on S but Testing has those patches resp a whole new camera-ui | 23:11 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: it will come, eventually ;) | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not considered stable *yet* | 23:12 |
| neal | DocScrutinizer: What's your take on gta04? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | so CSSU-S needs testing for the kicking out of those cam/modest stuff didn't break anything | 23:13 |
| merlin1991 | Sicelo: hildon-desktop and hildon-home build the desktop together | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | neal: :shrug: | 23:13 |
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| merlin1991 | aiui home does the "desktop" rendering while desktop is the manager for all windows | 23:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | neal: on GTA01/02 we did PV runs with a number of devices > the number of GTA04 available to order | 23:14 |
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| Sicelo | thanks for explanation. :) | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so basically you order a prototype | 23:15 |
| MrOpposite | Hello | 23:15 |
| MrOpposite | I got some problems with my n900 | 23:15 |
| neal | DocScrutinizer: So, doomed to failure? | 23:15 |
| MrOpposite | After I installed MyMenu | 23:15 |
| MrOpposite | Uhm | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | from history and empiric yes | 23:15 |
| MrOpposite | Not installed | 23:15 |
| MrOpposite | TRIED to install | 23:15 |
| MrOpposite | the installation failed | 23:16 |
| MrOpposite | so I removed mymenu | 23:16 |
| MrOpposite | and then all my applications went away from the menu | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 23:16 |
| MrOpposite | There's more | 23:16 |
| MrOpposite | if I create a shortcut to the application on my desktop | 23:16 |
| merlin1991 | anything left in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ ? | 23:16 |
| MrOpposite | the shortcut doesn't do anything | 23:16 |
| MrOpposite | I don't know | 23:16 |
| MrOpposite | Maybe SSH still work | 23:17 |
| merlin1991 | ctrl+shift+x for a console should work | 23:17 |
| MrOpposite | Oh | 23:17 |
| MrOpposite | I didn't know that | 23:17 |
| MrOpposite | thanks | 23:17 |
| MrOpposite | Now | 23:17 |
| rly | I got my auto connect on plugin of phone to work. :) | 23:17 |
| MrOpposite | yea | 23:17 |
| MrOpposite | Right | 23:18 |
| MrOpposite | I was inaccurate | 23:18 |
| MrOpposite | SOME applications are left | 23:18 |
| MrOpposite | although most are gone | 23:18 |
| MrOpposite | Calculator, Clock, Settings, OVI store, Maps, Camera, Media player, E-mail, Photos, Calendar, Contacts, Conversations, Phone and web is still there | 23:18 |
| MrOpposite | the rest is gone | 23:18 |
| MrOpposite | like xchat, xterm tweego | 23:19 |
| MrOpposite | etc. | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart mymenu | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ibot??? | 23:19 |
| * infobot overclocks mymenu until mymenu burns out | 23:19 | |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: do you also use Eth over USB? | 23:19 |
| MrOpposite | altho all applications .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications/hildon | 23:19 |
| MrOpposite | I've tried both restarting the phone and hildon-desktop | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 23:20 |
| MrOpposite | Is the solution a reflash, or can I save it somehow? | 23:20 |
| merlin1991 | MrOpposite: did you install from devel or from testing? | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mymenu has messed up your hd strucrue/settings | 23:21 |
| MrOpposite | testing | 23:21 |
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| * merlin1991 inspects mymenu code to make an educated guess where everything went | 23:21 | |
| merlin1991 | MrOpposite: as long as you have a terminal you should be able to fix that without a reflash | 23:22 |
| MrOpposite | Yea, that's what I thought | 23:22 |
| MrOpposite | altho I don't know how | 23:22 |
| MrOpposite | I am experienced with the terminal in general | 23:22 |
| MrOpposite | just not on the maemo OS | 23:22 |
| MrOpposite | hey look | 23:22 |
| MrOpposite | I tired installing mymenu again | 23:23 |
| MrOpposite | and it seemed to work | 23:23 |
| MrOpposite | I was gonna try that when the installation failed last time | 23:23 |
| MrOpposite | altho I didn't have application manager nor the terminal | 23:23 |
| MrOpposite | to try it... | 23:23 |
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| MrOpposite | Anyway thanks for solving my problem :D | 23:24 |
| merlin1991 | huh mymenu in testing has a carma of minus 8 | 23:24 |
| merlin1991 | first comment: After installing this application my menu is baisicly empty. The only applications remaining a the default ones (excluding xterm, application manager, pdf viewer). Shortcuts on the homescreen don't work unless they exist in the menu. Uninstalling the package does not fix this. | 23:24 |
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| MrOpposite | oh | 23:25 |
| MrOpposite | Maaaybe I should have read that | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | see e.g ~user/.local/share/applications/hildon | 23:26 |
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| MrOpposite | DocScrutinizer that directory is empty on my device | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a number of ways mymenu might have messed up hd settings | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MrOpposite: also check what's in /usr/share/applications | 23:33 |
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| merlin1991 | hm karma on maemo.org is weird | 23:34 |
| MrOpposite | uhm | 23:34 |
| merlin1991 | I have eactly 4 thanks in the talk forums, but karma sais I've got 16 points karma from thanks on tmo | 23:35 |
| MrOpposite | cumulus defaults.list hildon hidlon-control-panel hildon-home hildon-notification hildon-status-menu image-viewer mimeinfo.cache python2.5.desktop shemeinfo.cache uri-action-defaults.list | 23:35 |
| MrOpposite | Maybe I should have commaseparated the list? | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: somewhere there's a link on that page to a wikipage explaining how those values get calculated | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | MrOpposite: looks sane | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | mostly | 23:37 |
| merlin1991 | Itt_thanks, thanks for TMO posts: 8 * sqrt(# thanks) well it's correct but still weird | 23:37 |
| Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/2011/11/10/nokia-n900-battery-drop/ | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: ??? | 23:38 |
| Macer | that's what i said :) | 23:38 |
| Macer | lol | 23:38 |
| Macer | then it stayed at 0.4 for like an hour | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what's the use of posting random unrelated URLs here? | 23:39 |
| Macer | with the red light blinking | 23:39 |
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| Macer | uhm...... | 23:39 |
| Macer | unrelated to........ maemo? | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | unrelated to anything | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | what am I supposed to do with that? | 23:40 |
| MrOpposite | be nice to eachother... It was infact an image of the battery acting weird and I found it amuzing. | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | click on it to get a virus? | 23:40 |
| merlin1991 | lulz and live one? | 23:40 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: http://tech.rancorous.net/media/2011/11/wpid-WTF.png | 23:40 |
| Macer | :) cmon DocScrutinizer .. the graph doesn't give you a giggle? | 23:40 |
| merlin1991 | if you're to scared of the page ;) | 23:40 |
| Macer | heartless | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not even pondering to click random unrelated URLs to find out why the F*CK the OP posted them here | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just triggering the spam alarm here | 23:42 |
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| MrOpposite | Well he could have added a comment about the link... | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:43 |
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| corecode | hi | 23:43 |
| MrOpposite | Hi | 23:43 |
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| corecode | any idea how i can easily build a .dsc? | 23:43 |
| corecode | i'm trying to see if https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12387 is the bug i'm experiencing | 23:44 |
| povbot | Bug 12387: broken audio/video gtalk calls | 23:44 |
| Macer | spam alarm? | 23:44 |
| Macer | seriously? | 23:45 |
| Macer | ooookay. well ... obviously have had bad experiences with web pages :) sorry. i thought it was related to maemo but to each their own. | 23:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Macer: if you thought it was related to maemo then you might have explained that and suggested what to do with that URL | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is not a better google page where URLs pop up to give users sth to click on as they dun't know what to do with their time | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on other channels posting of URLs is completely forbidden, or at least may earn you a kickban when done in an uncommented unsolicited way like you did | 23:48 |
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| rly | Is there some way to autokill browserd when it is stuck in some infinite loop? | 23:49 |
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| rly | Or better: can't someone fix browserd? | 23:50 |
| rly | Can one replace browserd in some way? | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: if you'd have added "a funny graph of battery voltage: <URL>" then users can decide what to do. Either click the URL or think "meh" and ignore it. Just posting the URL is not helpful | 23:51 |
| merlin1991 | rly: one can replace *anything* as long as one has a valid replacement | 23:52 |
| Sicelo | i think jonwil has made it possible rly, but i wonder if there's something wrong with your N900. I don't get too many problems with browserd | 23:52 |
| rly | merlin1991: so, browserd is open-source? | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | Updated "internal resistance" and "shutdown margin" graphs with my original BL-5J battery at 230 cycles (First measurement done at 160 cycles). http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ohm.png (yellow and blue). Also the margin: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/margin.png | 23:52 |
| rly | Is it really open-source in that there is a program which enables you to actually replace it easily? | 23:53 |
| merlin1991 | nope | 23:53 |
| rly | Sicelo: everythign appears to function fine. | 23:53 |
| rly | Sicelo: it is just a software problem, I think, as everything else is wroking. | 23:53 |
| rly | working* | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly killall browserd | 23:54 |
| merlin1991 | achipa: did you commit libtelepathy-qt4 (0.7.3) to extras-devel? | 23:54 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: yes, I did that, but I don't want to do that every time. | 23:54 |
| achipa | merlin1991: I have no recollection of that | 23:54 |
| rly | All the software I write has to be pretty much perfect. | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | browserd isn't supposed to go awry every time | 23:54 |
| rly | Why can't the same hold for others? | 23:54 |
| achipa | merlin1991: would say it's more likely Kate did that, tho | 23:55 |
| rly | DocScrutinizer: it happens when there are 'software updates'. | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | never seen here | 23:55 |
| rly | Or rather happened. | 23:55 |
| merlin1991 | I was only guessing you might have done it since it relates to your qt-mobility work | 23:55 |
| rly | Can't I attach gdb on the phone? | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 23:55 |
| Sicelo | rly: u can schedule a killall browserd in alarmed for a time when you're asleep | 23:56 |
| Sicelo | dail | 23:56 |
| merlin1991 | gave me some trouble with missing members and whatnot when compiling the stock qt-mobility | 23:56 |
| * ShadowJK doesn't remember the last time he killed browserd | 23:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer | me neither | 23:56 |
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| achipa | merlin1991: oh that, yes, ran into that one myself | 23:56 |
| rly | Sicelo: that still eats the battery for the rest of the day. | 23:56 |
| rly | So, apt-get install gdb? | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | Sometimes I kill -11 browserd on N800 ;-) | 23:56 |
| achipa | merlin1991: though was a result of some weird hack... I just commented out the offending line in mobility | 23:57 |
| achipa | was some very kooky skype account handling | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | rly: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 23:57 |
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| merlin1991 | yeah, qt-mobility depends on the protokolname as a qstring protocol() whilst the new lib has protocolName() | 23:58 |
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| rly | Do n900 dev skills transfer to other phone type development or is it basically a waste of time if I ever want to do something with e.g. Android? | 23:59 |
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