IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-10-18

bindiright00:00
bindiwell00:00
bindiit still doesn't work00:00
DocScrutinizerif the process is using e.g. system("path/to/script") then I'm rather unsure it would work00:01
bindifiring it up manually works00:01
DocScrutinizerif it'S a shellscript just sourcing the files in ip-up.d/ the obviously it can not work00:01
*** ErwinJunge has quit IRC00:02
DocScrutinizerthen*00:02
DocScrutinizertry a simple shellscript wit one line: python path/to/ip.py00:03
NIN101something like this should work: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=MLBH5ehr00:03
DocScrutinizerhi NIN10100:04
NIN101hi DocScrutinizer00:04
*** onen|openBmap has quit IRC00:07
*** thuttu77 has quit IRC00:07
*** Atarii has joined #maemo00:08
*** Atarii has quit IRC00:08
*** Atarii has joined #maemo00:08
*** ale152 has quit IRC00:08
*** sq-one has quit IRC00:15
*** perlite_ has joined #maemo00:16
*** geaaru has joined #maemo00:16
*** shentey|mobile has joined #maemo00:16
*** etrunko has quit IRC00:17
*** perlite has quit IRC00:18
*** perlite_ is now known as perlite00:18
*** dos1 has quit IRC00:18
*** Roomerlol has quit IRC00:18
*** Tuco1 has quit IRC00:19
*** thetet has quit IRC00:20
luke-jrpossible to get Maemo to always dial a fixed number, then DTMF the destination>?00:22
*** jrocha has quit IRC00:23
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC00:26
*** shentey|mobile has quit IRC00:30
*** thuttu77 has joined #maemo00:30
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: I got asked for that (or a similar) "app" and looked quite a bit into it. No way to cleanly implement it00:31
luke-jr:/00:31
*** liar has joined #maemo00:32
DocScrutinizeryou can't intercept&modify the d-bus call or anywhere form top of telepathy stack down to isi00:32
bindiNIN101: i have a script like that00:33
bindi#!/bin/sh00:33
DocScrutinizeryou *could* tear down the original call in a fraction of a second, and palce a new call instead00:33
bindi... yeah00:33
bindilet me try with the path in there00:33
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: but my toenails curl up on trying to implement such BS00:34
bindiright, works with the absolute path00:35
DocScrutinizerasking for a hook in telepathy the answer was "help us implement it for harmattan! why would you want to do it for fremantle anyway?"00:35
DocScrutinizers/harmattan/meego/00:39
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: asking for a hook in telepathy the answer was "help us implement it for meego! why would you want to do it for fremantle anyway?"00:39
*** lardman has quit IRC00:52
*** archl is now known as jiero00:53
*** jiero is now known as luojie-dune00:53
*** trbs has quit IRC00:53
*** kama has joined #maemo00:54
*** jpe has quit IRC00:59
*** luojie-dune has quit IRC01:01
*** BCMM has quit IRC01:01
*** sirdancealot has joined #maemo01:04
*** mitsutaka has joined #maemo01:13
*** luojie-dune has joined #maemo01:19
*** pronto has quit IRC01:22
*** mer_ge has joined #maemo01:24
*** pronto has joined #maemo01:26
*** liar has quit IRC01:28
*** rm_work has quit IRC01:31
*** mookie has quit IRC01:33
*** dRbiG has quit IRC01:35
NIN101gn801:37
*** NIN101 has quit IRC01:37
*** valerius has quit IRC01:47
*** Soder has quit IRC01:49
*** sp3001 has quit IRC01:50
*** rcg1 has quit IRC01:52
*** baraujo has quit IRC01:54
*** lizardo has quit IRC01:54
*** geaaru has quit IRC01:56
*** hakkattakk has quit IRC01:58
*** mer_ge has quit IRC02:01
*** valerius has joined #maemo02:07
*** florian has quit IRC02:10
*** CosmicU has joined #maemo02:11
*** mer_ge has joined #maemo02:14
*** mitsutaka has quit IRC02:17
*** valerius has quit IRC02:18
*** luojie-dune has quit IRC02:24
*** KaziKluBey has quit IRC02:27
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: post-dialing DTMF however should be absolutely straigtforward (think I even tested it): <number>W<dmtf>02:29
DocScrutinizerall in lime to ETSI/3GPP specs, aka AT-cmdset02:29
DocScrutinizerline*02:29
luke-jrso I could just sed my addressbook? :P02:31
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: I'm quite sure w and p work and I tested both, not sure about ; , etc02:31
DocScrutinizerwell ; prolly doesn't make sense anyway, for dialer02:32
DocScrutinizerumm, dialer only has "p"? on "*+"02:34
*** valerius has joined #maemo02:34
*** LaoLang_cool has joined #maemo02:35
*** zap_ has quit IRC02:36
DocScrutinizeranyway my account balance contact phone-number is 5667p1 since ages, and it worked on Nokia 6210 and on N900 after I complaned and the whole USSD thing got fixed02:37
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders if anybody tested it on N95002:38
*** hardaker2 has quit IRC02:43
*** hardaker has joined #maemo02:45
*** Atarii has quit IRC02:48
*** kW_ has quit IRC02:52
HyperSnyperDoc got any themes for the n900 to suggest ?02:53
HyperSnyper:P02:53
*** Mousey has quit IRC02:55
*** mer_ge has quit IRC02:56
DocScrutinizernah, I never cared about themes, as long as the actual one isn't completely useless (gray on gray for example)02:59
DocScrutinizeror green on black ;-P03:02
*** kW_ has joined #maemo03:03
*** wmarone_ has quit IRC03:03
*** wmarone_ has joined #maemo03:04
*** eijk has quit IRC03:04
*** mitsutaka has joined #maemo03:07
*** net-split has joined #maemo03:08
*** net-split has quit IRC03:09
*** t71 has quit IRC03:11
*** setanta has quit IRC03:11
*** net-split has joined #maemo03:11
*** simh has quit IRC03:14
*** simh has joined #maemo03:15
*** gn00b has joined #maemo03:15
bindiis there an alternative to cron on n900?03:21
*** kama has quit IRC03:25
*** LaoLang_cool has quit IRC03:27
*** LaoLang_cool has joined #maemo03:28
HyperSnyperbindi > i was looking it "Alarmed" few days aago seems to be a GUI for adding commands/scripts to the n900 alarm function03:39
HyperSnypernot actually tried it myself though..03:39
bindilet's see03:40
HyperSnyperor there's Fcron > http://wiki.maemo.org/Fcron03:41
*** LaoLang_cool has quit IRC03:42
*** HyperSnyper has quit IRC03:42
*** HyperSnyper has joined #maemo03:42
bindialarmed seems better :p03:42
*** phellarv has quit IRC03:51
*** nox- has quit IRC03:51
*** kakashi_ has quit IRC03:51
*** klasu__ has quit IRC03:51
*** chadi has quit IRC03:51
*** Flipi|BNC has quit IRC03:51
*** jaska has quit IRC03:51
*** Veggen has quit IRC03:51
*** MikaT has quit IRC03:51
*** aslani has quit IRC03:51
*** kW_ has quit IRC03:51
*** Scorcerer has quit IRC03:51
*** pcfe has quit IRC03:51
*** EgS has quit IRC03:51
*** MohammadAG has quit IRC03:51
*** xnt14 has quit IRC03:51
*** sulx has quit IRC03:51
*** RokSteady has quit IRC03:51
*** jacekowski has quit IRC03:51
*** claw has quit IRC03:51
*** kevsim has quit IRC03:51
*** Earthwings has quit IRC03:51
*** Mek_ has quit IRC03:51
*** dev has quit IRC03:51
*** jeverling has quit IRC03:51
*** chouchoune has quit IRC03:51
*** felipe` has quit IRC03:51
*** thuttu77 has quit IRC03:51
*** mhlavink_afk has quit IRC03:51
*** larsivi has quit IRC03:51
*** meegoexperts has quit IRC03:51
*** machia has quit IRC03:51
*** Chiku has quit IRC03:51
*** kerio has quit IRC03:51
*** args[0] has quit IRC03:51
*** ToJa92 has quit IRC03:51
*** defragger has quit IRC03:51
*** ketas-av has quit IRC03:51
*** jevin has quit IRC03:51
*** Sicelo has quit IRC03:51
*** mk8 has quit IRC03:51
*** visz has quit IRC03:51
*** X-Fade has quit IRC03:51
*** odin_ has quit IRC03:51
*** Kowalczyk has quit IRC03:51
*** villager has quit IRC03:51
*** fuz_ has quit IRC03:51
*** GNUton-BNC has quit IRC03:51
*** sandwitch has quit IRC03:51
*** ieatlint has quit IRC03:51
*** Jade has quit IRC03:51
*** Milhouse has quit IRC03:51
*** kraft has quit IRC03:51
*** joga has quit IRC03:51
*** flat` has quit IRC03:51
*** flux has quit IRC03:51
*** Plnt has quit IRC03:51
*** frals has quit IRC03:51
*** rosseaux has quit IRC03:51
*** neal has quit IRC03:51
*** Ikarus has quit IRC03:51
*** dvoid_ has quit IRC03:51
*** Gizmokid2005 has quit IRC03:51
*** florentia has quit IRC03:51
*** DocScrutinizer51 has quit IRC03:51
*** willer_ has quit IRC03:52
*** LaoLang_cool has joined #maemo03:52
*** z4chh has joined #maemo03:55
*** jonwil has joined #maemo03:55
*** kW_ has joined #maemo03:55
*** thuttu77 has joined #maemo03:55
*** phellarv has joined #maemo03:55
*** fuz_ has joined #maemo03:55
*** nox- has joined #maemo03:55
*** Scorcerer has joined #maemo03:55
*** mhlavink_afk has joined #maemo03:55
*** GNUton-BNC has joined #maemo03:55
*** larsivi has joined #maemo03:55
*** pcfe has joined #maemo03:55
*** kakashi_ has joined #maemo03:55
*** klasu__ has joined #maemo03:55
*** meegoexperts has joined #maemo03:55
*** machia has joined #maemo03:55
*** Chiku has joined #maemo03:55
*** chadi has joined #maemo03:55
*** sandwitch has joined #maemo03:55
*** kerio has joined #maemo03:55
*** Flipi|BNC has joined #maemo03:55
*** ieatlint has joined #maemo03:55
*** args[0] has joined #maemo03:55
*** Jade has joined #maemo03:55
*** ToJa92 has joined #maemo03:55
*** defragger has joined #maemo03:55
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo03:55
*** ketas-av has joined #maemo03:55
*** kraft has joined #maemo03:55
*** jevin has joined #maemo03:55
*** EgS has joined #maemo03:55
*** Sicelo has joined #maemo03:55
*** mk8 has joined #maemo03:55
*** joga has joined #maemo03:55
*** visz has joined #maemo03:55
*** jaska has joined #maemo03:55
*** aslani has joined #maemo03:55
*** MikaT has joined #maemo03:55
*** Veggen has joined #maemo03:55
*** flat` has joined #maemo03:55
*** xnt14 has joined #maemo03:55
*** MohammadAG has joined #maemo03:55
*** X-Fade has joined #maemo03:55
*** Kowalczyk has joined #maemo03:55
*** odin_ has joined #maemo03:55
*** flux has joined #maemo03:55
*** sulx has joined #maemo03:55
*** chouchoune has joined #maemo03:55
*** felipe` has joined #maemo03:55
*** jeverling has joined #maemo03:55
*** dev has joined #maemo03:55
*** Mek_ has joined #maemo03:55
*** Earthwings has joined #maemo03:55
*** kevsim has joined #maemo03:55
*** claw has joined #maemo03:55
*** jacekowski has joined #maemo03:55
*** RokSteady has joined #maemo03:55
*** villager has joined #maemo03:55
*** Plnt has joined #maemo03:55
*** DocScrutinizer51 has joined #maemo03:55
*** florentia has joined #maemo03:55
*** Gizmokid2005 has joined #maemo03:55
*** dvoid_ has joined #maemo03:55
*** neal has joined #maemo03:55
*** Ikarus has joined #maemo03:55
*** rosseaux has joined #maemo03:55
*** frals has joined #maemo03:55
*** kraft has quit IRC03:55
*** kraft has joined #maemo03:56
*** KaziKluBey has joined #maemo03:57
jonwilanyone here any good with autoconf and friends?04:00
*** t71 has joined #maemo04:02
nox-well just ask you q04:02
nox-your even04:02
bindii wonder if it's possible to take pictures with the front camera and upload them on demand04:03
bindiwith a script that is04:03
bindior rather04:03
bindihow to take pictures with the front camera using terminal? :p04:03
HyperSnyperbindi > http://pastebin.com/tWpapQCB04:10
HyperSnyperi've not tested that myself either04:10
HyperSnyper:P04:10
HyperSnypertaken from a tutorial called "Finding Your Phone, the Linux Way"04:10
bindiseems to work04:13
bindireally bad image quality04:13
HyperSnyperfront camera is really bad04:13
bindican't blame it :P04:13
bindiyeah04:13
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC04:14
bindii'm bored so i now have a webpage where i can see my phones location, updated every 1 hour04:14
bindinot google latitude but uses google maps :p04:14
bindiand the ip of the phone is updated there each time it's connected04:14
bindiso i can ssh in :D04:14
HyperSnyperi use reverse tunnel out with ssh04:16
HyperSnypersaves needing open port on phone connection04:16
bindigot all ports open with 3G04:16
HyperSnyperfair enough04:17
HyperSnypereveryone has their own uses04:17
HyperSnyper;P04:17
bindihmm04:19
bindichmod +x cam.sh04:19
bindi-rw-r--r--    1 user     root          142 Oct 18 04:18 cam.sh04:19
bindiwhy you no work? :-(04:19
bindilogged in as root04:19
bindimeh04:21
bindidodgy home dir04:21
*** kW_ has quit IRC04:25
*** janemba has quit IRC04:26
*** janemba has joined #maemo04:27
*** janemba has joined #maemo04:27
*** net-split has quit IRC04:32
*** sirdancealot is now known as vortex_glass04:37
*** fortytwo has quit IRC04:40
*** povbot` has joined #maemo04:43
*** povbot has quit IRC04:43
*** booiiing has quit IRC04:46
*** booiiing has joined #maemo04:47
*** hardaker has quit IRC04:50
*** sid__ has joined #maemo04:54
*** x29a has quit IRC04:56
*** LaoLang_cool has quit IRC04:56
*** sid_ has quit IRC04:57
*** LaoLang_cool has joined #maemo04:58
*** swc|666 has joined #maemo04:59
*** InvalidHandle has quit IRC05:00
*** x29a has joined #maemo05:00
*** x29a has joined #maemo05:00
*** InvalidHandle has joined #maemo05:01
*** pcacjr_ has joined #maemo05:02
*** kraft has quit IRC05:04
*** kraft has joined #maemo05:04
*** pcfe has quit IRC05:05
*** pcfe has joined #maemo05:05
*** pcfe has quit IRC05:05
*** pcfe has joined #maemo05:05
*** fortytwo has joined #maemo05:06
*** Openfree` has quit IRC05:12
*** LiraNuna_ has joined #maemo05:13
*** swc|666 has quit IRC05:14
*** swc|666 has joined #maemo05:14
*** Openfree` has joined #maemo05:15
*** drussell has quit IRC05:22
*** LiraNuna1 has joined #maemo05:22
*** LiraNuna1 has quit IRC05:23
*** LiraNuna_ has quit IRC05:23
*** janemba has quit IRC05:24
*** madalu has joined #maemo05:24
*** maybeHere has joined #maemo05:30
*** maybeArgh has quit IRC05:34
*** bigbluehat has joined #maemo05:34
*** LaoLang_cool has quit IRC05:37
*** KaziKluBey has quit IRC05:39
*** LaoLang_cool has joined #maemo05:39
*** bigbluehat has quit IRC05:40
*** t_s_o has quit IRC05:49
*** jonwil has quit IRC05:51
*** t71 has quit IRC05:51
*** t71 has joined #maemo05:56
*** nox- has quit IRC05:59
*** dockane_ has joined #maemo06:00
*** dockane has quit IRC06:03
*** hardaker has joined #maemo06:05
*** swc|666 has quit IRC06:06
*** LaoLang_cool has quit IRC06:11
*** LaoLang_cool has joined #maemo06:12
*** adrianuy has joined #maemo06:16
*** swc|666 has joined #maemo06:16
*** Scifig has joined #maemo06:18
*** radic has quit IRC06:19
*** npm has quit IRC06:21
*** npm has joined #maemo06:22
*** valerius has quit IRC06:28
*** madalu has quit IRC06:29
*** adrianuy has quit IRC06:32
*** t71 has quit IRC06:34
*** radic has joined #maemo06:34
*** Evanescence has joined #maemo06:34
*** CosmicU has quit IRC06:47
*** CosmicU has joined #maemo06:48
*** valdyn has quit IRC06:53
*** x29a_ has joined #maemo07:00
*** x29a_ has joined #maemo07:00
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo07:02
*** valdyn has joined #maemo07:03
*** x29a has quit IRC07:03
*** x29a_ is now known as x29a07:12
*** t_s_o has quit IRC07:18
*** drussell has joined #maemo07:27
*** drussell has quit IRC07:27
*** Psi has quit IRC07:28
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo07:32
*** sat2050 has quit IRC07:39
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo07:39
*** Psi has joined #maemo07:40
*** DocScrutinizer has quit IRC07:43
*** DocScrutinizer has joined #maemo07:43
*** sat20501 has joined #maemo07:44
*** sat20502 has joined #maemo07:45
*** Xjs|moonshine has quit IRC07:45
*** t71 has joined #maemo07:46
*** sat2050 has quit IRC07:46
*** sat20501 has quit IRC07:49
*** Roomerlol has joined #maemo07:52
*** opdf2 has quit IRC07:52
*** sat20502 has quit IRC07:53
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo07:53
*** githogori has quit IRC07:57
*** guerby has quit IRC08:01
*** sat2050 has quit IRC08:03
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo08:03
*** guerby has joined #maemo08:04
*** sat2050 has quit IRC08:04
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo08:05
*** githogori has joined #maemo08:07
*** sid__ has quit IRC08:11
*** sat2050 has quit IRC08:11
*** beford has joined #maemo08:12
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo08:12
*** sat2050 has quit IRC08:13
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo08:14
*** sat2050 has quit IRC08:14
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo08:15
*** sat20501 has joined #maemo08:17
*** sat2050 has quit IRC08:19
*** tackat has joined #maemo08:23
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo08:27
*** mesx has joined #maemo08:30
*** Kilroo has quit IRC08:31
*** Xjs|moonshine has joined #maemo08:38
*** jargon- has quit IRC08:39
*** mesx has quit IRC08:45
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo08:46
*** mesx has joined #maemo08:49
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC08:52
*** hardaker has quit IRC08:53
*** mece has joined #maemo08:54
*** larsivi has quit IRC09:00
* dreamer having _another_ go at upgrading easydebian09:02
dreamerjust stumbled on this page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#complete_dist-upgrade_to_Squeeze09:02
dreamerand didn't realize the rebooting was because of the watchdog hehe09:02
*** gn00b has quit IRC09:05
*** t73 has joined #maemo09:06
*** t71 has quit IRC09:07
*** Hardknox has joined #maemo09:16
*** rmrfchik has left #maemo09:19
*** mavhc has quit IRC09:23
*** Scifig has quit IRC09:23
*** mavhc has joined #maemo09:24
*** t73 has quit IRC09:25
*** mavhc has joined #maemo09:25
*** t7^ has joined #maemo09:25
*** LaoLang_cool has quit IRC09:28
*** Hardknox has quit IRC09:31
*** wam has joined #maemo09:35
*** wam has joined #maemo09:35
*** gomiam has joined #maemo09:39
*** murrayc has joined #maemo09:45
*** swc|666 has quit IRC09:50
*** eMHa_ has quit IRC09:50
*** sat20501 has quit IRC09:57
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo09:59
*** fuz_ has quit IRC10:03
*** mairas has joined #maemo10:06
*** dneary_ has joined #maemo10:06
*** dneary_ has joined #maemo10:06
*** luke-jr has quit IRC10:07
*** mairas has quit IRC10:08
*** mairas has joined #maemo10:08
*** fuz_ has joined #maemo10:08
*** trupheenix has joined #maemo10:08
*** ferdna has quit IRC10:10
*** luke-jr|otg has quit IRC10:10
*** larsivi has joined #maemo10:12
*** mairas has quit IRC10:12
*** mairas has joined #maemo10:13
*** tackat has quit IRC10:13
*** luke-jr|otg has joined #maemo10:14
*** geaaru has joined #maemo10:15
*** Wikier has joined #maemo10:15
*** _berto_ has joined #maemo10:18
*** jpe has joined #maemo10:18
*** calvaris has joined #maemo10:23
*** eijk has joined #maemo10:24
*** andrenarchy has joined #maemo10:25
*** Roomerlol has quit IRC10:25
*** andrenarchy has left #maemo10:25
*** arno0ob has joined #maemo10:25
*** jrocha has joined #maemo10:26
*** arnet has joined #maemo10:27
*** rcg has joined #maemo10:37
*** rd has joined #maemo10:38
*** sat2050 has left #maemo10:39
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo10:43
*** drj_cro has joined #maemo10:44
*** nmjnb has joined #maemo10:48
*** rd has quit IRC10:54
*** rd has joined #maemo10:54
*** LaoLang_cool has joined #maemo10:55
*** thetet has joined #maemo10:57
*** t_s_o has quit IRC10:59
*** sid__ has joined #maemo11:02
*** bergie has joined #maemo11:04
*** mookie has joined #maemo11:05
*** mesx has quit IRC11:08
*** achipa has joined #maemo11:08
*** eMHa_ has joined #maemo11:08
*** arnet is now known as arnet^off11:08
*** larsivi has quit IRC11:09
*** beford has quit IRC11:11
*** eijk_ has joined #maemo11:12
*** tanty has joined #maemo11:14
*** AD-N770 has joined #maemo11:14
*** eijk has quit IRC11:15
*** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo11:18
*** larsivi has joined #maemo11:19
*** trupheenix has quit IRC11:20
*** inz has quit IRC11:22
*** inz has joined #maemo11:22
*** OkropNick has joined #maemo11:22
*** tackat has joined #maemo11:23
*** tanty has quit IRC11:24
*** zap_ has joined #maemo11:28
*** jpe has quit IRC11:30
*** hakkattakk has joined #maemo11:34
*** larsivi has quit IRC11:34
*** larsivi has joined #maemo11:34
dreameruhg, I followed this guide to upgrade easydebian: http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#complete_dist-upgrade_to_Squeeze  << but still meamo reboots near the end of the upgrade11:38
*** markinfo has joined #maemo11:41
*** inz has quit IRC11:41
crashanddiedreamer, sorry, are you looking for help?11:42
*** trupheenix has joined #maemo11:42
*** yaccin has left #maemo11:42
*** inz has joined #maemo11:43
dreamercrashanddie: well, I'd like to upgrade my easydebian so I can try this package: http://enchevetres.org/doku.php?id=tek:puredata11:44
crashanddieThen ask a question11:45
crashanddiebecause for the past 2 hours, you've been saying random stuff11:45
*** bergie has quit IRC11:46
*** simeoni has quit IRC11:46
dreamer"how do I upgrade easydebian to squeeze without it rebooting maemo or failing horribly?"11:46
dreamerand with "the past 2 hours" you mean "that one sentence" ?11:47
dreameroh wait, i said some remarks earlier, n/m :P11:47
*** sessi has joined #maemo11:51
*** sessi is now known as simeoni11:51
*** t7^ has quit IRC11:52
*** mairas has quit IRC11:52
*** mairas has joined #maemo11:52
*** deimos has joined #maemo11:55
*** jargon- has joined #maemo11:57
*** t7^ has joined #maemo11:57
*** bergie has joined #maemo11:58
*** drj_cro has left #maemo11:58
*** drussell has joined #maemo11:59
*** lukasz_gut has quit IRC12:01
*** lukasz_gut has joined #maemo12:01
*** rd has quit IRC12:03
*** sat2050 has quit IRC12:04
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo12:04
*** rd has joined #maemo12:05
*** drussell has quit IRC12:05
*** KaziKluBey has joined #maemo12:06
*** rcg has quit IRC12:07
*** trumee has quit IRC12:08
*** trumee_ has joined #maemo12:08
*** trumee_ has quit IRC12:11
*** trumee has joined #maemo12:12
*** t7^ has quit IRC12:12
Sicelodreamer: can u use the blue keys on your easydebian?12:12
*** lukasz_gut has quit IRC12:12
*** t7^ has joined #maemo12:14
*** vblazquez has quit IRC12:16
*** lukasz_gut has joined #maemo12:16
*** sid__ has quit IRC12:16
*** jpe has joined #maemo12:17
*** florian has joined #maemo12:20
*** florian has quit IRC12:20
*** florian has joined #maemo12:20
*** vblazquez has joined #maemo12:22
*** jargon- has quit IRC12:25
*** sat2050 has quit IRC12:27
*** t7^ has quit IRC12:28
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo12:28
*** rcg has joined #maemo12:28
*** zap_ has quit IRC12:31
*** CosmicU has quit IRC12:31
*** arnet^off is now known as arnet12:33
dreamerSicelo: I can't even start it now. the upgrade failed12:42
*** BCMM has joined #maemo12:42
dreamerI can get into the deb-chroot though.12:43
Sicelosad. well, i never can use them, eg brackets.12:43
dreamerafaik they did work, which image did you use?12:43
Sicelodebian-m5-v3e.img.ext2.lzma12:44
*** alehorst has joined #maemo12:44
*** trupheenix has quit IRC12:45
*** hakkattakk_ has joined #maemo12:47
*** tackat_ has joined #maemo12:48
*** jonwil has joined #maemo12:48
*** M4rtinK has joined #maemo12:49
dreamerSicelo: ok, same. afaik they worked with that image. but anyway. it's pretty much useless to me. I just wanted to try pd-extended. but if I can't upgrade fully to squeeze -_-12:49
*** hakkattakk has quit IRC12:49
*** tackat has quit IRC12:49
*** rd has quit IRC12:49
*** trupheenix has joined #maemo12:49
*** hakkattakk_ is now known as hakkattakk12:50
*** LaoLang_cool has quit IRC12:56
Siceloi notice the page talks about gconf issues.. wonder if that's nt wherer your issue comes from12:56
*** hakkattakk_ has joined #maemo12:57
*** hakkattakk has quit IRC13:00
*** hakkattakk_ is now known as hakkattakk13:00
*** lxp has joined #maemo13:04
*** lxp1 has quit IRC13:06
dreamerSicelo: which page?13:06
*** simh has quit IRC13:07
dreamerah: "Therefore, it is recommended that for the moment you simply use the image as is."13:08
dreamermeh. I'll remove it and never look back <_<13:08
*** mece has quit IRC13:09
*** simh has joined #maemo13:11
*** trupheenix has quit IRC13:11
*** t7^ has joined #maemo13:13
*** trupheenix has joined #maemo13:15
*** drj_cro has joined #maemo13:17
*** dneary_ has quit IRC13:24
*** jave has joined #maemo13:24
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC13:25
javeis there no way to hack the n900 firmware so that it always charges maximum from the usb port?13:25
SpeedEvilno.13:26
javeaaargh13:26
SpeedEvil(in other words, you can do that.13:26
javeas it is now im ready to stomp on it until it shatters13:26
javeany hints apreciated13:27
SpeedEvilI'm unsure if anyone has released a script to enable it - what's your issue?13:27
javeits simply too picky. I can never charge it properly. I just want to disable all firmware safeguards and always charge it13:27
*** trupheenix has left #maemo13:28
*** dos1 has joined #maemo13:29
javeif the computer burns thats less annoying than the current situation13:29
*** mairas has quit IRC13:32
SpeedEvilI have a script that does this, but it's broken, and sometimes requires a reboot after charge to get it to charge again normally.13:33
javecool. can I have it?13:33
SpeedEvilThere is an alternative possibly easier way - if you have a spare USB extension cable you're willing to mod.13:37
javewell I have a chorging cable that has shorted data connectors but charging is still flaky13:38
SpeedEvilAre you sure it's not the USB socket being dodgy?13:39
*** piggz has quit IRC13:40
javepossibly. but its hard to tell. I can access the device as data device13:40
*** zap_ has joined #maemo13:40
*** lukasz_gut has quit IRC13:40
javewhun i use a nermal data cable n900 says "too little power"13:40
javewhen i use my charging cable it sometimes charges sometimes doesnt13:41
*** lukasz_gut has joined #maemo13:41
*** kW_ has joined #maemo13:41
javeit can also be that charging negotiation on the host is broken13:42
markinfoif i want to use my nokia n900 to connect in windows 7 to provider data account - is it necessary to install there Nokia PC suite?  There was detected and installed  Modem on com3. I am trying to conect over that with the same parameters as in n900 - but no success. Or is it necessary to allow it this in nokia n900 first?13:44
SpeedEvilWhen you use a normal cable plugged into a motherboard port, not through a hub, it says too little power?13:44
*** drj_cro has left #maemo13:44
SpeedEvilmarkinfo: you need to select 'pc suite' mode when you plug in USB13:44
markinfoSpeedEvil, that is all? Should i connect fist in n900 to provider data account - or it can be done in windows?13:45
SpeedEviljave: http://www.mauve.plus.com/t/bmelite - this is a somewhat broken script that when run will stop BME, and display the flashing LED to indicate charging, while turning the charger on. It then when the charger says it's turned off stops charging, and restarts BME.13:45
*** Milhouse has quit IRC13:46
javeSpeedEvil: yes normal cable laptop motherboard no hub, n900 says "too little power". both laptops i tested had special high power ports13:46
SpeedEviljave: At least here, BME does not properly restart, and is in a confused state requiring a reboot. I do not know why as I haven't investigated enough.13:46
javeSpeedEvil: cool, thanks! it cant get any worse...13:47
markinfoit is asking for "call number"  But provider gives nothing like that. Is this equivalent to "APN: bob.at" ?13:49
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo13:49
Sicelonumber is *99#13:49
*** t7^ has quit IRC13:49
Siceloi have PK47, and would like to upgrade to PK48. what is best way to do that?13:54
markinfohm - it stops now on "Computer is going to be registerred in network "  ...there is no signalization on Nokia n900 if the modem is accessed over PC (over pc suite)?13:55
*** dos1 has quit IRC13:55
Sicelomarkinfo, u also need initialization string in your modem options, which contains the APN info. i dont remember from the top of my head where it is under windows13:56
DocScrutinizerjave: all that sounds pretty much like messed up rootfs on N900, maybe even in conjunction with some hw problems (worn out battery, dodgy USB receptacle)13:57
javeDocScrutinizer: messed up rootfs?13:58
DocScrutinizeryup13:58
DocScrutinizersth e.g. keeping CPU busy13:59
javei bought  a new battery so that should be okay anyway13:59
javeoh okay. ill have to look at processet then i suppose13:59
javepity I cant just buy a n950 as a replacement14:00
DocScrutinizerfirst analytic approach: run bq27200.sh 5|tee -a mybatcharge.log, then after 2 minutes plug in USB and let "charge"14:00
DocScrutinizerthen come here to get the mybatcharge.log analyzed14:01
javethanks. I cant get it to power at all now so I need to get a separate battery charger or something to begin with.14:02
*** piggz has joined #maemo14:03
*** lizardo has joined #maemo14:03
*** tackat has joined #maemo14:08
*** tackat_ has quit IRC14:09
*** piggz has quit IRC14:15
*** robbiethe1st has joined #maemo14:19
markinfoSicelo, nice with that initialisation string +CGDCONT =1,"IP","bob.at" an call number *99# it works. Speed over GSM provider: 4.5Mbps down/0.5Mbps upload.14:25
*** bergie has quit IRC14:26
*** arno0ob has quit IRC14:26
*** beford has joined #maemo14:27
*** mortenvp has quit IRC14:28
Sicelo;)14:28
*** larsivi has quit IRC14:29
*** z4chh has quit IRC14:31
*** arno0ob has joined #maemo14:32
*** dos1 has joined #maemo14:34
Siceloso, do i need to uninstall PK47 first before installing PK48? HAM refuses to install PK48. i can apt-get, but want to be sure first14:35
*** croppa has quit IRC14:36
*** sid__ has joined #maemo14:36
*** larsivi has joined #maemo14:37
*** mortenvp has joined #maemo14:40
*** x29a has quit IRC14:42
robbiethe1stSicelo, no you don't.14:48
robbiethe1stRemember, the flasher package will end up flashing the kernel to the kernel partition; so long as that happens you'll be fine14:48
*** kama has joined #maemo14:49
Sicelothanks robbiethe1st. guess i should apt-get then, as i don't see how to do it via HAM. i get "Conflict with application packages: Linux kernel for power users ... power47"14:50
robbiethe1stI always use apt-get myself, so...14:50
*** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC14:50
*** z4chh has joined #maemo14:52
*** zz_gri is now known as gri14:52
*** jrocha has quit IRC14:54
*** x29a has joined #maemo14:55
*** x29a has joined #maemo14:55
javehey, I violated a data usb cable into a charging cable; now I can charge! I couldnt with my readymade charging cable14:56
*** drj_cro has joined #maemo14:58
*** dneary_ has joined #maemo14:59
*** dneary_ has joined #maemo14:59
cehtehheh i did too .. too bad i was to lazy to buy a switch to toggle between data/charge14:59
*** pcacjr_ has quit IRC15:00
*** mece has joined #maemo15:00
*** lukasz_gut has quit IRC15:01
*** lukasz_gut has joined #maemo15:02
*** mardi has joined #maemo15:02
Sicelodone. thanks robbiethe1st15:03
*** Dibblah has quit IRC15:05
*** mairas has joined #maemo15:05
*** tackat_ has joined #maemo15:09
*** tackat has quit IRC15:10
*** mairas has quit IRC15:10
*** lukasz_gut has quit IRC15:10
*** mairas has joined #maemo15:11
*** lukasz_gut has joined #maemo15:11
*** sid__ has quit IRC15:12
*** Evanescence has quit IRC15:13
*** mitsutaka has quit IRC15:14
*** eMHa_ has quit IRC15:14
*** eMHa__ has joined #maemo15:14
*** robbiethe1st has quit IRC15:15
*** asktoby has joined #maemo15:22
asktobyHow do I discern which version of fremantle I am running on my n900?15:23
SpeedEvilsettings -> about product15:23
SpeedEvil20.2010 = PR1.315:23
asktoby20.2010.36-2.203.1 it says. Fab, thanks.15:24
*** beford has quit IRC15:25
asktobyWhat are people using for calendars on their n900? I've tried the stock one and gpe-calendar so far.15:26
SpeedEvilStock.15:26
SpeedEvilBut I have about 3 events on it.15:26
SpeedEvilSo I'm not the most demanding  of users.15:26
asktoby:)15:26
*** z4chh has quit IRC15:29
edheldilI am missing iCal intergration :(15:30
*** Yuyuko has joined #maemo15:30
markinfoand now - how to connect to DAta account of my phone provider from debian desktop?15:31
markinfois it here? http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking15:31
*** luke-jr has joined #maemo15:35
jacekowskino15:39
jacekowskiuse pcsuite mode15:39
*** chenca has joined #maemo15:39
jacekowskiand that willl present n900 as modem to your pc15:39
jacekowskiand from there it's just like with any other modem15:39
jacekowskiwvdial is easy option15:39
jacekowskiedheldil: exchange integration is there15:40
*** setanta has joined #maemo15:40
asktobyedheldil: This is why I'm going to try Meego today - hopefully find a better calendar there...15:40
*** achipa has quit IRC15:43
*** achipa has joined #maemo15:45
*** aleeepc has joined #maemo15:47
aleeepchello15:47
aleeepccan someone tell me where's the config file of wlan settings? :D15:47
aleeepc*anyone15:47
DocScrutinizerwlan "settings" are mostly stored in gconf15:48
DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6806315:48
DocScrutinizerso: gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP15:49
*** t7^ has joined #maemo15:49
DocScrutinizeraleeepc: ^^^15:50
aleeepcthx :D15:50
*** BCMM has quit IRC15:50
edheldiljacekowski:  I have only ics files exported through webdav, no MSEX or whole cal server. Or ical? Whatever15:51
aleeepcDocScrutinizer, can I use the same gconftool with kubuntu? :D15:53
*** LaoLang_cool has joined #maemo15:53
*** mairas has quit IRC15:54
DocScrutinizeraleeepc: err, sure. but of course not to get the wlan config same way15:54
*** mairas has joined #maemo15:54
DocScrutinizeraleeepc: on buntkuh there's most likely no /system/osso/connectivity/IAP key in gconf database, as there's no osso-* under that OS15:56
aleeepcok :)15:56
DocScrutinizeraleeepc: your question is similar to: "A: use > more d:\path\to\file  Q: can I use more on win7 too?"15:57
*** mairas has quit IRC16:03
*** mairas has joined #maemo16:03
*** asktoby has quit IRC16:07
edheldilAnyone here knows how to set volume of phonon's audioOutput?16:07
*** chenca has quit IRC16:08
*** Malin is now known as someone16:12
*** someone is now known as Malin16:12
*** hardaker has joined #maemo16:13
*** markinfo has quit IRC16:13
DocScrutinizerphonon, bah16:19
*** jrocha has joined #maemo16:19
*** dm8tbr has quit IRC16:22
*** Tscheesy has quit IRC16:22
*** Tscheesy has joined #maemo16:23
*** etrunko has joined #maemo16:24
*** mitsutaka has joined #maemo16:26
crashanddiewow, ##linux is fucking lame16:27
*** NIN101 has joined #maemo16:27
*** deimos has quit IRC16:27
crashanddieYou ask people "Why do I see a load of 15-40 on a quad core server, running roughly 150 processes, when CPU utilisation is only 15%?"16:27
crashanddieand the only thing they can rant about is IO, IO, IO!LOLWTFOMFGSTFUBBQ!!eleven.16:28
*** vivijim has quit IRC16:28
*** markinfo has joined #maemo16:28
*** zap_ has quit IRC16:31
*** gomiam has quit IRC16:32
*** zap_ has joined #maemo16:32
*** larsivi has quit IRC16:32
*** larsivi has joined #maemo16:33
*** vivijim has joined #maemo16:33
*** trx has quit IRC16:34
*** trx has joined #maemo16:35
*** mardi has quit IRC16:36
*** Hoolxi has joined #maemo16:37
*** larsivi has quit IRC16:39
edheldilcrashanddie:  well, it's the first thing I would think of as well ...16:42
edheldilDocScrutinizer:  I still think it would be ideal for me if the setVolume() worked16:43
edheldilI mean "ideal solution"16:43
*** mtnbkr has quit IRC16:43
DocScrutinizerwell, I got a deja-vu16:44
*** rm_work has joined #maemo16:45
*** rm_work has quit IRC16:45
*** rm_work has joined #maemo16:45
*** markinfo has quit IRC16:45
DocScrutinizerand to save other users from having a deja-vu as well, I'm not going to repeat my rant16:45
*** lukasz_gut has quit IRC16:45
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: "load" has a very strange unit actually16:46
crashanddieedheldil, think about it, sure. Even a kid knows that if a boat isn't moving, you should check if the anchor is still down. This doesn't mean when I said for 8th time "No, io is at under 0.3%", people should keep asking about it.16:46
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: and doesn't scale too well on multicore16:46
crashanddieactually, it scales fine with multicore. There's two ways of looking at it: running queue / coreCount  = x. If x is > to 1, you've got a problem (we run realtime software!)16:47
*** firevampire has joined #maemo16:48
*** lukasz_gut has joined #maemo16:48
edheldiliowait is under 0.3%? Also, I suppose you have got enough mem (I am not sure if paging gets totaled to iowait)16:49
DocScrutinizerhmm, I cloudy recall SpeedEvil and ShadowJK(?) elaborating here in this chan about true meaning of load values, quite some time ago16:49
crashanddieyes, iowait is hovering around 0.3%. These are servers with 16, 32 or 128GB of RAM.16:49
edheldilAnything more elaborated than "averaged number of processes in run queue" ?16:49
*** mardi has joined #maemo16:49
DocScrutinizerall I memorized about load is that it's all but intuitive a value16:50
crashanddieso we just load everything into memory and don't need io anymore (except for network)16:50
SpeedEvilLoad ca be meaningless - I've had a load of 400 on a (responsive) machine.16:50
crashanddiebasically what it means is: on a single core CPU, a load of 1 means that it was used 100% in the last unit of time.16:50
edheldilcrashanddie:  check where the processes wait with ps alw16:50
edheldilaxlw16:50
SpeedEvil^singlecore16:51
SpeedEvilAs there were a few hundred tasks waiting on the network. (and each completing after a few seconds)16:51
*** dm8tbr has joined #maemo16:51
crashanddiewait, load can include sleeping apps that wait for network IO?16:52
DocScrutinizerlol, that's "nice"16:52
crashanddiethat doesn't make any sense, and I've never heard of that.16:52
crashanddie(doesn't mean it's not true)16:52
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: see what I meant by "strange unit"?16:53
*** mtnbkr has joined #maemo16:54
crashanddieholy crap16:55
*** baraujo has joined #maemo16:57
*** mase76 has joined #maemo16:58
*** sid__ has joined #maemo16:58
*** pcacjr_ has joined #maemo16:58
*** aleeepc has quit IRC16:59
crashanddiewell, no.16:59
*** pcacjr_ has quit IRC16:59
DocScrutinizerman 5 proc|less +'/loadavg'16:59
DocScrutinizerFWIW16:59
*** markinfo has joined #maemo17:00
crashanddieaye, and I've got no process in D17:00
crashanddienone whatsoever17:00
edheldilso what state are the processes in? R?17:01
*** willer_ has joined #maemo17:01
crashanddiewhen I look at ps -Al, they're in S17:01
crashanddiebut there's a few hundred of those, and most (if not all) get woken up once every second, some every 20ms.17:02
*** calvaris has quit IRC17:02
*** mtnbkr has quit IRC17:02
crashanddie I've got jbd2/dm-0-8 going into D for a second every 10-20 seconds, and that's it.17:03
*** _berto_ has quit IRC17:03
*** jrocha has quit IRC17:04
crashanddietop - 16:04:28 up 136 days, 22:12,  2 users,  load average: 16.92, 11.57, 12.6017:04
crashanddieTasks: 265 total,  27 running, 238 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie17:04
crashanddieCpu0  : 17.5%us,  0.7%sy,  0.0%ni, 81.5%id,  0.3%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st17:04
crashanddieCpu1  : 16.6%us,  0.7%sy,  0.0%ni, 81.1%id,  0.0%wa,  0.3%hi,  1.3%si,  0.0%st17:04
crashanddieCpu2  : 17.3%us,  0.7%sy,  0.0%ni, 80.3%id,  1.7%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st17:04
crashanddieCpu3  : 16.9%us,  0.7%sy,  0.0%ni, 81.4%id,  0.0%wa,  0.3%hi,  0.7%si,  0.0%st17:04
*** _berto_ has joined #maemo17:04
*** tanty has joined #maemo17:05
DocScrutinizerdoesn't exactly mean a thing regarding load values17:06
crashanddiewell it does, because it means that the running queue takes over a single time unit to complete (and apparently, nearly 4 units of time to complete), all the while our CPUs are doing apparently fuck all17:06
DocScrutinizeraccording to man 5 proc|less +'/loadavg'  the processes waiting for disk IO are counted in to load >>17:08
DocScrutinizerthe number of jobs in the run queue (state R) or  waiting for disk I/O (state D)<< - how can you tell how many are in state D when kernel evaluated /proc/loadavg?17:08
*** drj_cro has quit IRC17:08
crashanddiebecause I never see a single D?17:08
DocScrutinizerlargely depends on you viewer job's prio and scheduler policy, I guess17:09
crashanddiewhile [ true ] ; do ps -Al | grep D | grep -v WCHAN; done17:09
crashanddieyes, but how the hell am I supposed to analyse anything if any tool I use doesn't have the right prio or whatever?17:10
edheldilcould it be caused by multitude of processes waking up at the same time?17:10
DocScrutinizerioscheduler is another quite complex critter, and it might be not so well defined how it interacts with task scheduler and what /proc/loadavg knows about all that stuff17:10
crashanddiemight be, edheldil, though one of the most recent patches I included enabled processes to wake up at different time intervals17:11
*** pronto has joined #maemo17:11
*** arnet has quit IRC17:13
*** _berto__ has joined #maemo17:13
*** mtnbkr has joined #maemo17:14
*** sat2050 has quit IRC17:14
*** _berto_ has quit IRC17:14
*** _berto__ is now known as _berto_17:14
edheldil_perhaps_ if they wake up at the same time with some high prio, they have to wait for timeslice, increasing the loadavg, but because of the high prio you don't see anything running with a tool running with a lower prio. But I am not a scheduling guru by any means17:14
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo17:14
*** pronto has quit IRC17:14
*** pronto has joined #maemo17:14
*** sat2050 has quit IRC17:14
*** sat2050 has joined #maemo17:15
DocScrutinizerto me the PU values as of top are more honest than the load figures17:15
DocScrutinizerdang17:16
DocScrutinizerto me the %CPU values as of top are more honest than the load figures17:16
DocScrutinizeredheldil: makes quite a bit of sense though17:17
DocScrutinizerI may add that due to the way ioscheduler works they may still wake up same moment, regardless of any timers and how they are set17:17
*** sat2050 has quit IRC17:18
luke-jryay N900 won't boot -.-;;17:18
DocScrutinizernow that's any new?17:18
luke-jrapparently upgrading kernel-power is a bad idea17:18
DocScrutinizerI'd not be surprised, yes17:18
luke-jrunfortunately, the old one is full of issues17:19
DocScrutinizeraccording to posts on tmo I referred to here just as recently as yesterday eve, it seems 49 isn't all that stable17:19
luke-jrwell, extras-devel just took me to 4817:20
edheldilbtw, what are the processes waiting on, crashanddie?17:20
DocScrutinizerouch!!!17:20
DocScrutinizer48 is definitely borked and DANGEROUS17:20
luke-jris there ANY stable kernel for Maemo? -.-17:20
DocScrutinizerhaha17:20
*** firevampire has left #maemo17:20
Sicelo0_017:21
mecehmm I wonder which kernel I use...17:21
meceI thought it was 4817:21
*** jrocha has joined #maemo17:21
meceseems to work fine.17:21
Sicelowell, i just upgraded to 48 from 47 luke-jr, and didn't have a problem17:22
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: I'm not sure of the exact reason - I was running hundreds of dig hostname's at once. Looking at [a-z]+.com17:22
Sicelobut, DocScrutinizer is worrying me :s17:22
DocScrutinizermece: ol'known nasty I2C-nonlock bug17:22
*** willer_ has quit IRC17:22
meceno idea what that means.17:22
meceregardless, it seems to work fine.17:22
*** aleeepc has joined #maemo17:23
DocScrutinizerit means your I2C bus might get raped so badly that your PMU will fry the CPU17:23
luke-jrI had 46 before I think17:23
mecesounds like fun.17:23
DocScrutinizermece: and that's an effect you won't notice reproducably and also it may do harm to hw you notice later only17:23
*** tanty has quit IRC17:23
Sicelooh gosh17:24
meceDocScrutinizer, ow17:24
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: meaning what?17:24
DocScrutinizerand random lockups, reboots, failures in arbitrary peripheral sensors/actors will not indicate directly that they were cause by I2C bug17:24
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: in 48 they introduced a patch that alllows concurrent access to I2C *serial* bus17:25
DocScrutinizerso interleaving bulk access may fail terribly17:25
mecewhat uses that?17:25
DocScrutinizereverything17:25
mecefun tiems.17:25
luke-jr…17:26
DocScrutinizerit's just a matter of luck when you run into the race of 2 processes trying to access I2C concurrently17:26
luke-jrwell I can't even boot atm17:26
meceI've had no lockups, reboots or failures tho, so not really sure what to think. Perhaps I don't have 48. I don't remember.17:26
luke-jrlol17:26
DocScrutinizerthat may *for example* be caused by access to twl4030 got messed and you need to remove battery for quite a time to reset it17:27
Siceloso this patch, is it possible to disable it :/17:27
DocScrutinizerit allegedly is, in 4917:27
meceok then.17:27
DocScrutinizer49 seems to have other, or related, issues though17:27
mecewhen was 49 released?17:27
*** eijk_ is now known as eijk17:28
mecetypical17:28
luke-jrnote to self: this is bad logic: "well, everyone else runs extras-devel, so it must be stable enough"17:28
Siceloi think 49 is unstable yet, not released. afaik it's not on repos either17:29
* Sicelo wonders if he should revert ... having no real need for any PK except to use h-e-n17:29
luke-jrwtf is h-e-n17:29
DocScrutinizerplease check for yourself, the pk-49 tmo thread is a bit long, and post #1 gets frequently updated but doesn't show edit dates or history17:30
DocScrutinizer~h-e-n17:30
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232, or see ~hostmode-charging17:30
DocScrutinizerafk, ttyl17:30
*** calvaris has joined #maemo17:32
DocScrutinizer(tmo thread) as said above, check your backscroll of this chan, I posted a few relevant links yesterday17:32
crashanddieedheldil, it depends on the processes. We have proxy processes that handle SIP data, and HTTP data, and then we have voip processes that handle RTP data (and RTCP/RTSP etc)17:34
crashanddieThose represent roughly 30 processes, the rest are statistics and queue processes which aren't really waiting for anything. They just wake up every second and handle whatever they have to handle17:34
*** Dibblah has joined #maemo17:35
edheldilso the main bunch waits in select() or some such? I am out of ideas, though17:35
luke-jrthis is NOT cool -.-17:36
crashanddiewell, poll() or select(), yeah.17:36
luke-jrI don't need a N900-brick right before I leave for a 10 day vacation with nothing else17:36
DocScrutinizermaybe they all wake on same x.0000000 seconds timer, and then a lot of them wait for disk IO to store their findings about statistics?17:36
edheldilpoll() is spinning the cpus, no?17:36
crashanddiebarely17:36
*** aleeepc has quit IRC17:37
DocScrutinizerafaik poll() actually doesn't really what we'd call polling17:37
* Sicelo thinks he'll definitely revert. i shan't be getting an n900 soon :P17:38
luke-jrhelp :<17:38
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: try coldflashing if nothing else helps17:39
Jartzayeah. thought so, nokia service wants to replace my n900 with e7 :(17:40
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: and lose all my data?17:40
*** ArGGu^^ has quit IRC17:40
Jartzabut I don't want no f**king symbian17:40
meceJartza, ask for an N9 :)17:40
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: ok pal! keep your data... on a brick17:40
luke-jrwhat I don't get is why the boot menu went away :/17:40
*** achipa has quit IRC17:40
crashanddiehow long has Nokia been replacing N900's with e-somethings? Why do people keep sending them in, hoping for another outcome?17:40
meceluke-jr, you could try to flash kernel only17:41
luke-jrmece: I'm trying to load kernel only17:41
meceah17:41
meceok17:41
luke-jrI'm guessing power48 removed all my other kernels' modules -.-17:41
* timeless chuckles17:41
luke-jrbut then again, *why won't the bootmenu show*?17:41
mecehey timeless, what's up?17:41
*** jpe has quit IRC17:41
timelessnot much, i'm letting one of my computers update, it hasn't been on since august and needs to update :)17:42
jonwilWindows?17:42
luke-jrjacekowski: ping17:42
timelessyeah, the ideapad from dublin17:42
*** madalu has joined #maemo17:42
timelessjonwil: but note that if it were running ubuntu, it'd have gotten an update offer too :)17:42
*** cityLights has joined #maemo17:43
cityLightsany news about n9 release?17:43
timelessif it were running meego, it probably wouldn't have, but more because that project got itself into a mess :)17:43
jonwilIf it was Gentoo, you would be in a heap of trouble17:43
timelessheh17:43
Jartzamece: like they would do so :D17:43
jonwilLeaving a Gentoo box un-updated for more than 2 weeks tops is asking for disaster17:43
cityLightsjonwil: dont trash gentoo, I use it17:43
jonwilI use i17:44
DocScrutinizer(<luke-jr> I'm guessing power48 removed all my other kernels' modules -.-) fair assumption - that 's why you frequently need to flash rootfs together with kernel17:44
jonwilit17:44
timelessinteresting, are there stories i can read online about it?17:44
*** Zahra has joined #maemo17:44
jonwiland I am speaking from experience17:44
jonwilwhen I say that frequent updating is essential17:44
JartzaI ditched EPOC like 15 years ago or so, and I'm not going back there :)17:44
cityLightswell.... you do have a point there...17:44
timelessjonwil: oh, i believe you17:44
timelessbut i prefer to read dead tree editions :)17:45
cityLightsso, is there any n9 news I missed?17:45
*** dos1 has quit IRC17:45
luke-jrKernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!17:45
luke-jrany ideas?17:45
*** timmyt has joined #maemo17:45
DocScrutinizer(*why won't the bootmenu show*?) maybe because kernel oopses or panics before bootmenu got a chance to show up - mind that bootmenu is a userland thing called by /sbin/preinit17:46
timmytIve installed kernel power, and now camera doesn't work17:46
DocScrutinizer*sigh*17:47
DocScrutinizerRTFM^HTMOTHREAD17:47
DocScrutinizeror read backscroll of this chan, search string "fcam"17:47
timmytAnybody hear me?17:48
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: bootmenu doesn't need kernel modules, does it?17:48
DocScrutinizerI guess "my camera stopped to work" is #1 by far, in PK FAQ17:48
DocScrutinizertimmyt: do *you* hear what the others here say?17:49
timmytR they talking to me?17:49
timmytSo y don't they call my name?17:50
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: dunno which modules get loaded by kernel before even preinit gets started17:50
DocScrutinizerI guess it'S a few anyway17:50
*** thetet has quit IRC17:50
*** LaoLang_cool has quit IRC17:50
DocScrutinizertimmyt: RTFM^HTMOTHREAD17:51
DocScrutinizertimmyt: I guess "my camera stopped to work" is #1 by far, in PK FAQ17:51
timmyt:D17:51
*** timmyt has left #maemo17:51
MohammadAGso, who'd hate me if I got an iPod?17:52
DocScrutinizerin short: un-&re-install all camera apps17:52
chem|st*reys*17:52
chem|stDocScrutinizer: he is gone...17:52
DocScrutinizerMEH17:52
chem|stMohammadAG: me17:52
luke-jris there a rescue kernel image yet?17:52
DocScrutinizero/17:52
DocScrutinizercya17:53
chem|stDocScrutinizer: bye17:53
MohammadAGchem|st, :(17:53
*** bergie has joined #maemo17:53
jonwilMohammadAG: Depends what sort of iPod17:53
chem|stMohammadAG: just had another iPrank issue... iPhone cannot even send an image over BT to a mac powerbook...17:53
MohammadAGtouch17:53
* jonwil hates apple lockdown17:54
jonwilBut for playing music, the iPod is fine :)17:54
jonwilIts just the app store that I hate17:54
MohammadAGmusic's on the N900/5017:54
MohammadAGI got it for apps17:54
chem|stthe only good things from apple have *power* in their naming!17:54
*** thetet has joined #maemo17:54
MohammadAGbus apps, bank apps etc17:54
jonwilor Airport17:54
MohammadAG256MB of RAM sucks17:55
mecehey look DocScrutinizer, it's your favorite topic: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7901817:55
MohammadAGThe N900 performs way better in multitasking17:55
MohammadAGcydia (HAM-like app) basically kills the iPod for 10s17:55
chem|stMohammadAG: the n900 performs way better in anything I have seen on an iphone yet... except weather forecast live view...17:56
*** Zahra has quit IRC17:57
luke-jris there any way to at least copy the data before I replace it with a fresh flash? -.-17:57
*** timmyt has joined #maemo18:00
MohammadAGchem|st, well, no paypal, whatsapp, viber etc on the N90018:00
MohammadAGI'm not a big fan of closed shit, but you either change friends (or stalk them to be able to contact them) or get an iPod apparently18:01
timmyt:( couldn't find the page, may u plz give me itself link ?18:01
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: your data is supposed to live on eMMC, not on rootfs/NAND18:01
*** mece has quit IRC18:01
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: unfortunately, hacking /etc means rootfs/NAND18:02
DocScrutinizertimmyt: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog search fcam18:02
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: yup18:02
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: I assume you did frequent backups using backupmenu18:03
luke-jrhaha18:03
Arkenoiwho the fsck needs whatsapp?18:03
DocScrutinizerWTF is whatsapp18:03
Arkenoiand what's wrong with web paypal ui?18:03
*** markinfo has quit IRC18:03
Arkenoiwell, by n900 is pretty smooth now.. but i think it is due to activesync i disabled :-(18:04
*** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo18:05
chem|stMohammadAG: whatsapp is the worst I have ever seen and if you read the policy and registration agreement you wouldn't install such shit!18:06
chem|stMohammadAG: my sister in law asked me to install it on her phone, while installing it I had a look at the agreement and read it out loud to her, and we both agreed that you do not want it on your phone...18:06
timmytDocScrutinizer what is that faq page?18:06
timmytIve reinstalled fcam driver18:07
FIQ|n900I feeded my N900 with some drink a while ago. It seeemed fine then, but I think the GPS chip is borked. I will not miss it (i rarely used it at all), but how can I confirm this?18:10
FIQ|n900It's too bad if it is, but oh well, I don't care that much about that thing18:10
MohammadAGchem|st, doesn't it read your contact list?18:10
FIQ|n900Just want to have a sort of confirm18:11
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, IM that uses phone numbers as usernames18:11
chem|stMohammadAG: it is like facebook but with direct access to your phone, and it "may be" pay2use in 201218:11
MohammadAGso basically, it reads your contact list and shows what contacts have whatsapp, and you have them already there18:11
MohammadAGbut it's closed (and based on XMPP)18:11
*** timmyt has left #maemo18:12
MohammadAGchem|st, it is pay to use, 1 year trial18:12
MohammadAGby then they'll switch to iMessage or sth18:12
chem|stMohammadAG: first reason not to use18:13
chem|stMohammadAG: icq changed the policy back in the early millenium to "all your bases are belong to us"... the only thing to use nowadays without any risk is jabber on your own server!18:14
*** gn00b has joined #maemo18:14
*** mairas has quit IRC18:15
*** vortex_glass is now known as vortext18:16
FIQ|n900Some command would be able to list detected devices, wouldn't it?18:16
FIQ|n900like lsusb for USB things, lspci for PCI things, etc18:17
t7^you fed your n900 with a drink :p ??18:19
t7^what were you thinking ... it'll overclock and stay cool?18:19
t7^:)18:19
t7^just kidding :)18:19
*** norayr has joined #maemo18:21
*** Sazpaimon has quit IRC18:22
*** dos1 has joined #maemo18:22
*** jonwil has quit IRC18:22
luke-jrI love how Linux no longer supports bridging a usbnet device -.-18:23
timelessluke-jr: ?18:24
luke-jrcan't add usb0 to bridge lan0: Operation not supported18:24
luke-jrpretty sure that used to work18:24
FIQ|n900[17:19:29] <t7^> what were you thinking ... it'll overclock and stay cool?18:25
FIQ|n900of course :P18:25
t7^hehe18:25
*** norayr is now known as arnet18:25
* t7^ pats his n900 sitting quiet on the table -_-18:25
arnetomg, ukeyboard again doesn't work.18:26
arnetI've reinstalled maemo, it worked even after I recovered previously installed software via backup application.18:26
arnetammm, if I pastebin outpus of ps ax or smth, may be it will help to guess what's blocking virtual keyboard?18:27
*** rcg has quit IRC18:29
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo18:29
*** Sazpaimon has joined #maemo18:30
*** ferdna has joined #maemo18:30
luke-jrNIN101: ping18:32
NIN101luke-jr: pong18:32
luke-jrNIN101: trying to save my system with your rescueOS, but … do I really have to type everything? XD18:33
NIN101yes.18:33
luke-jrNIN101: I found telnetd, but the root password seems undocumented :|18:33
luke-jrand /etc is read-only18:33
NIN101on the initrd image, yes. "rootme" is the root password.18:33
luke-jrah, nice18:33
luke-jrthat helps18:34
luke-jrNIN101: what was your "plan" for copying data off? ;)18:34
luke-jrand, did you map a tab key >.>18:34
*** timmyt has joined #maemo18:35
timmytIve installed fcam drivers,but it still doesnt work18:35
*** dneary__ has joined #maemo18:36
timmytPlease help me,18:36
NIN101first of all, how much battery do you have? You should run charging script. For copying data: mount ; cp ; tar. That simple. And yes, it is mapped, but keyboard is not localized it, means, it is using an us layout or something.18:36
luke-jrNIN101: I have your charger script running on the console18:36
*** lukasz_gut has quit IRC18:36
luke-jrso no way to move data over the network? :|18:36
NIN101it is not mine :-).18:37
*** lukasz_gut has joined #maemo18:37
NIN101network, hmm...18:37
NIN101there is ftpd18:38
timmytMr docscrutinizer, i did reinstalled fcam drivers, but it still doesn't work18:39
* luke-jr doesn't think he has a FTP client >_<18:39
*** wam has quit IRC18:41
*** zap_ has quit IRC18:41
timmytI have installed kernel power and since then camera doesn't work.ive also installed that mother fucker fcam driver,but it still doesn't work18:42
*** jave has quit IRC18:45
*** cityLights has quit IRC18:47
*** t7^ is now known as vilociraptor`18:48
vilociraptor`:o18:48
vilociraptor`so before the power kernel your cam was working timmyt ?18:49
timmytYes18:50
timmytUgh18:51
timmytFools18:51
*** Khertan_n950 has joined #maemo18:51
*** timmyt has left #maemo18:51
*** ced117 has joined #maemo18:57
*** ced117 has quit IRC18:57
*** ced117 has joined #maemo18:57
*** gn00b has quit IRC18:58
Khertan_n950~ping18:59
infobot~pong18:59
arnetlet me repeat, hm? if I pastebin output of ps may be somebody will have an idea which process stops working my virtual keyboard?18:59
*** _berto_ has quit IRC19:00
*** Wikier has quit IRC19:00
*** calvaris has quit IRC19:00
*** ale152 has joined #maemo19:01
*** murrayc has quit IRC19:02
*** mk8 has quit IRC19:04
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo19:04
*** arnet is now known as arnet^off19:04
vilociraptor`hmm19:05
*** calvaris has joined #maemo19:05
* luke-jr cries19:06
luke-jrI downgraded the kernel and it STILL won't boot19:06
vilociraptor`ok so I have a off topic question ... how many of you have used a laptop for development? Was it an inconvenience?19:06
fralsim doing it for the past 1½year19:08
fralsotoh i usually dont take that laptop anywhere... :P19:08
vilociraptor`flashing 1.3 kernel doesnt make the device functional?19:08
*** rd has joined #maemo19:09
luke-jrapparently not19:09
vilociraptor`oh cool frals .. I always wanted a tablet pc, and now i'm buying it I think!!19:09
vilociraptor`but it has a 12.5" screen -_- and I'm nervous!19:09
vilociraptor`$130019:09
vilociraptor`no N9 for me this year -_-19:10
vilociraptor`lol19:10
* vilociraptor` holds n900 even closer19:10
*** mase_76 has joined #maemo19:10
*** tackat_ has quit IRC19:10
*** mase76 has quit IRC19:12
jacekowskiluke-jr: pong19:12
*** Khertan_n950 has quit IRC19:13
fralsvilociraptor`: my laptop has a 15.6" screen ;p19:13
*** Hoolxi has quit IRC19:14
vilociraptor`this old one i'm using right now has the same, but its like 5 years old19:14
luke-jrjacekowski: any idea what those zimages you made me over a year ago did? XD19:14
vilociraptor`and its heavy .. so for the first time i'm thinking of buying a light weight machine19:14
luke-jrhmm, is it safe to wipe /dev/mtd2 ?19:14
*** kW_ has quit IRC19:15
*** lukasz_gut has quit IRC19:17
*** lukasz_gut has joined #maemo19:18
*** keithzg has joined #maemo19:20
*** jrocha has quit IRC19:23
*** calvaris has quit IRC19:24
*** jonne has quit IRC19:25
*** Sickki has quit IRC19:27
*** ale152 has quit IRC19:27
luke-jr…19:29
DocScrutinizerfor whatever "wipe", probably yes19:29
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: yeah, "how" is the next question XD19:30
luke-jrI don't suppose dd /dev/zero is ideal19:30
DocScrutinizerhonestly, nfc19:30
* luke-jr emerge mtd-tools19:30
DocScrutinizernanderase maybe19:30
luke-jrmaybe I *should* just backup..19:30
luke-jris it pretty safe to assume reflashing won't touch eMMC?19:31
DocScrutinizerfor combined yes19:32
luke-jrI wish Maemo had etckeeper19:32
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC19:32
*** vetsin_ has joined #maemo19:32
*** z4chh has joined #maemo19:32
DocScrutinizerre mtd, I gather that's a ringbuffer, and no clue how kernel "mtdconsole" decides where to write to it19:32
DocScrutinizerit's also rather annoying there's seemingly no proper tool to read it in a legible way19:33
luke-jrstrings19:34
luke-jr:p19:34
luke-jrI just wish it had timestamps19:34
*** mer_ge has joined #maemo19:34
DocScrutinizererr, yep19:35
*** dneary_ has quit IRC19:36
DocScrutinizeractually it has: raw unix time19:36
luke-jr?19:36
luke-jranything to backup besides rootfs?19:36
DocScrutinizeryour rootfs backup isn't complete without /opt19:37
*** vetsin_ has quit IRC19:37
luke-jrwhy not? /opt is on eMMC so won't be wiped, right?19:37
luke-jrwhere to find raw unix time in mtd2?19:38
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo19:38
*** jonne has joined #maemo19:40
*** BCMM has joined #maemo19:41
DocScrutinizerit will get wiped on booting your next fresh rootfs19:41
*** dneary__ has quit IRC19:41
DocScrutinizermy dump starts like "^A^@^@^@^@]^@"19:41
DocScrutinizer[80632.333312] 3b60: 00000080 cf019414 c028431c c0355a20 c0353b94 c0353b80 c005794c c00575e4  -- is a line that seems to have timestamp19:42
DocScrutinizerand eventually there shows up another "^B^@^@^@^@]^@]"19:42
DocScrutinizerlooks lke metainfo19:42
DocScrutinizer"^C^@^@^@^@]^@]" is next one19:43
luke-jrwell, timestamps are worthless anyway when there's no clock at boot19:43
*** NIN101 has quit IRC19:43
DocScrutinizer"^D^@^@^@^@]^@]" next, in >> [80632.343200] Code: bad PC value. <FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF> <FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF>^D^@^@^@^@]^@][80632.344055] mtdoops: Ready 3, 4 (no erase)  <<19:44
luke-jrblah19:44
*** ghostcube has joined #maemo19:45
*** Sickki has joined #maemo19:45
*** mer_ge has quit IRC19:46
DocScrutinizerlooking into mtdoops.c in kernel sources might help ;-)19:46
*** mer_ge has joined #maemo19:46
*** wazd has joined #maemo19:47
DocScrutinizerbtw all the above been less' notiation of special chars19:48
*** Arkenoi has quit IRC19:48
*** mardi has quit IRC19:48
DocScrutinizerso ^D is probably one byte ascii ctrl-d, while <FF> is one byte 0xFF19:49
*** freemangordon has joined #maemo19:50
*** madalu has quit IRC19:52
*** fuz_ has quit IRC19:53
*** trbs has joined #maemo19:53
*** Atarii has joined #maemo19:53
*** Atarii has quit IRC19:53
*** Atarii has joined #maemo19:53
Juozapasany solution for gtalk status show on contacts yet?19:57
*** fuz_ has joined #maemo19:58
luke-jrhum20:00
luke-jrlooks like preinit runs at least20:00
*** kW_ has joined #maemo20:08
*** keithzg has quit IRC20:10
*** lardman has joined #maemo20:15
*** lardman has quit IRC20:15
*** lardman has joined #maemo20:15
*** etrunko has quit IRC20:16
luke-jrCAL ERROR: open(/dev/mtd1): No such file or directory20:16
*** chenca has joined #maemo20:17
*** luojie-dune has joined #maemo20:17
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: luke-jr: what are you doing?20:17
*** rd has quit IRC20:17
luke-jrslonopotamus: trying to get my N900 to boot again x.x20:18
slonopotamushuh20:19
slonopotamusyou break all nxxx devices you touch?20:19
*** etrunko has joined #maemo20:19
luke-jrslonopotamus: all I did was apt-get upgrade!20:20
luke-jr:/20:20
*** jonne has quit IRC20:20
*** teddy1 has joined #maemo20:22
*** jack_lt has joined #maemo20:22
jack_ltDocScrutinizer, one obvious problem I have on my n900 is that when I save an attachment in claws-mail or a file in gnumeric the device reboots20:23
jack_ltDocScrutinizer, not sure if it is related20:23
DocScrutinizerouch20:23
jack_ltDocScrutinizer, it could be that those 'extra apps' wants to safe in the root filesystem or something20:23
jack_ltI don't have the problem when I save a note from notes for example20:23
DocScrutinizeralso to luke-jr: OUCH, CAL nuked?20:24
*** AD-N770 has quit IRC20:25
*** rcg has joined #maemo20:25
*** mer_ge has quit IRC20:27
*** janemba has joined #maemo20:28
*** janemba has joined #maemo20:28
*** janemba has quit IRC20:30
jack_ltnot with leafpad20:30
*** janemba has joined #maemo20:30
*** janemba has joined #maemo20:30
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: looks fine to me :x20:31
DocScrutinizererrr, how'd you tell that?20:32
luke-jrI can view it in Gentoo20:32
luke-jris maemo's static /dev supposed to have mtd*?20:32
DocScrutinizersure, but to me this crap never looked "fine"20:32
luke-jr:p20:33
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: what are your /dev/mtd* major/minors?20:33
luke-jrin maemo20:33
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: dunno about "static" but yes, /dev/mtd.?(ro)?20:33
DocScrutinizermompls20:34
*** ghostcube has quit IRC20:34
luke-jrstatic as in before tmpfs is mounted over it :P20:34
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ls -l /dev/mtd?20:34
DocScrutinizercrw-rw---- 1 root root 90,  0 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd020:34
DocScrutinizercrw-rw---- 1 root root 90,  2 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd120:34
DocScrutinizercrw-rw---- 1 root root 90,  4 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd220:34
DocScrutinizercrw-rw---- 1 root root 90,  6 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd320:34
DocScrutinizercrw-rw---- 1 root root 90,  8 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd420:34
DocScrutinizercrw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 10 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd520:34
DocScrutinizersorry for flooding :-/20:34
*** jonne has joined #maemo20:36
DocScrutinizercrw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 2 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd120:36
DocScrutinizercrw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 3 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd1ro20:36
luke-jrmtdblock0 ?20:36
DocScrutinizerno such thing20:36
*** githogori has quit IRC20:37
luke-jrstrange thing: it does get to getbootstate: slide open, attempting to use bootmenu20:37
DocScrutinizermtd* expands to mtd[0-5](ro)?20:38
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC20:38
*** ghostcube has joined #maemo20:39
*** mavhc has quit IRC20:43
*** florian has quit IRC20:44
*** mavhc has joined #maemo20:45
jacekowskiluke-jr: i don't even remember which zimages are you talking about20:45
luke-jrjacekowski: XD20:46
*** soltys has quit IRC20:46
DocScrutinizeractually mtd[0-5]\(ro\)\?20:46
*** otep_ has joined #maemo20:47
* jack_lt rm power-kernel, reboot20:47
*** soltys has joined #maemo20:47
DocScrutinizerjack_lt: err what?20:48
*** arno0ob has quit IRC20:48
jack_ltrm power-kernel to test with stock kernel20:48
DocScrutinizerI hope you actually installed stock kernel, kernel-flasher, kernel-modules20:49
jack_ltright20:49
*** otep has quit IRC20:49
DocScrutinizeryou can't rm a kernel on a unix machine and hope it will still work20:49
*** jpe has joined #maemo20:49
DocScrutinizers/ a / the /.20:49
jack_ltok gnumeric saves just fine with stock kernel20:50
jack_lthmm20:50
luke-jrUnable to open frame buffer device /dev/fb020:50
luke-jrthis seems to be the key issue20:50
*** githogori has joined #maemo20:50
DocScrutinizerjack_lt: hmm, what's been your original problem20:51
DocScrutinizer?20:51
luke-jror this: Error getting variable OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_NAME value20:51
*** radiofree has quit IRC20:51
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: no fb without powerkernel20:51
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: ?20:51
DocScrutinizerumm never mind20:52
*** lukasz_gut has quit IRC20:52
jack_ltclaws-mail saves just fine with stock kernel20:52
*** lukasz_gut has joined #maemo20:52
jack_lthmm so power-kernel related ...20:52
jack_ltDocScrutinizer, ^20:54
jack_ltDocScrutinizer, should a multiboot, stock | power-kernel work?20:54
DocScrutinizermultiboot is deprecated20:54
jack_lthmm20:54
*** eMHa__ has quit IRC20:54
jack_ltdoesn't sounds like an option then20:55
DocScrutinizerwhich version of PK was that?20:56
jack_lt4820:56
DocScrutinizer:nod:20:56
*** rd has joined #maemo20:56
DocScrutinizertry 47, maybe even 4620:56
jack_ltis it possible to install booston without a pk20:56
jack_lt?20:56
jack_ltto test it with stock20:56
DocScrutinizerbooston will work on stock kernel, and I told you to test it on stock kernel20:57
*** e-yes has joined #maemo20:57
jack_ltok, booston seems to be removed with the pk kernel20:57
DocScrutinizerhostmode however is 100% kernel patches and won't work on stock kernel20:58
DocScrutinizerumm, depending on how you flashed, it possibly got nuked from /sbin/, yes20:59
luke-jr[    5.322113] Warning: unable to open an initial console.20:59
luke-jris that in normal dmesg?20:59
*** smhar has joined #maemo20:59
DocScrutinizerrep "unable to open" /var/log/syslog doesn't yield this21:00
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: ls -l /dev/fb021:00
DocScrutinizer?21:00
*** liar has joined #maemo21:01
*** NIN101 has joined #maemo21:01
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ll /dev/fb021:01
DocScrutinizercrw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/fb021:01
luke-jrhmm21:01
jack_ltDocScrutinizer, sorry, how to chmod it again?21:01
DocScrutinizerchmod a+x <path/to/file>21:01
jack_ltgracias21:02
DocScrutinizersee if i2cset /-get are still available21:02
DocScrutinizeri2cget --help21:03
*** radiofree has joined #maemo21:04
jack_ltit is21:04
DocScrutinizeror ls /usr/local/sbin/i2c*21:04
*** arno0ob has joined #maemo21:04
*** luojie-dune has quit IRC21:05
DocScrutinizerok21:05
jack_lthmm same error21:05
DocScrutinizer:-/21:05
DocScrutinizerseems your hardware is a lil bit defect21:05
*** bergie has quit IRC21:05
DocScrutinizerwhere "hardware" includes all the stuff you plug in to the N90021:06
jack_ltgrrr21:06
jack_ltbig pita21:07
jack_ltit can't be related to the filesystem of the n900 or user rights on it?21:07
DocScrutinizerindeed, as that not even is a warranty case, VBoost is no advertised property of the device21:08
DocScrutinizerhardly21:08
DocScrutinizerwell, if you want to make sure, you may flash eMMC as well, going back to complete stock config21:09
jack_ltare many n900s having problems with usb hostmode?21:09
DocScrutinizeractually that's the first case I heard of21:09
jack_lthmm ok21:10
DocScrutinizerhave you already tested a powered USB hub?21:10
jack_ltyep21:10
DocScrutinizerwith external power attached?21:11
jack_ltand my normal usb on the n900 does not have obvious problems...21:11
jack_ltyep21:11
DocScrutinizerwell, your normal USB doesn't use vboost mode of bq24150 and it doesn't imply usage of any F-F-adapter21:12
DocScrutinizerI still suspect that adapter(s) to be weirdly broken21:12
jack_ltthe FF adapter?21:13
DocScrutinizeryes21:13
jack_ltI bought a new one21:13
jack_ltthe same ...21:13
jack_ltbut new21:13
DocScrutinizersame brand?21:13
DocScrutinizeruseless21:13
jack_ltmaybe that was not a wise thing21:13
* jack_lt might try another one later21:14
DocScrutinizerwait a minute, we could do a test21:14
*** timeless has left #maemo21:14
*** rd has quit IRC21:15
jack_ltwhen I connect the powered hub I get the same error21:15
jack_ltnothing on the hub21:15
DocScrutinizerjack_lt: would you like to do a test?21:16
jack_ltdepends :)21:17
DocScrutinizerlook at the "open end" of your F-F adapter plugged to cable to N90021:17
jack_ltk21:18
DocScrutinizerhold it so that you see the 4 contacts on top of the (white) "tongue"21:18
jack_ltk21:19
*** thetet has quit IRC21:19
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo21:19
*** larsivi has joined #maemo21:20
DocScrutinizerstart booston, then short the right of the 4 contacts to the sleeve metal above, using e.g a small philips screwdriver,  knitting needle, or similar21:21
DocScrutinizerwatch of booston throws the OVERLOAD error - if not try shorting the leftmost contact same way21:21
*** lizardo has quit IRC21:21
jack_ltshort?21:22
DocScrutinizershortcircuit21:22
jack_ltjust touch it?21:22
DocScrutinizertouch both the contact and the metal sleeve same time21:22
*** jpe has quit IRC21:22
jack_ltk21:22
DocScrutinizerif your adapter is OK regarding what I suspect, the it will cause OVERLOAD on right contact. When it is as messed up as I think, it will cause same error on left contact21:23
*** kama has quit IRC21:24
jack_ltthat depends on which side you have up ...21:25
jack_ltwhite part up or down21:25
*** eMHa__ has joined #maemo21:26
*** wam has joined #maemo21:26
jack_ltwhen I have white part down, left21:27
DocScrutinizeryes, that's what I told you. White "tongue" down, with contacts on TOP21:28
jack_ltright, left ...21:28
DocScrutinizerand left contact causing it is exactly what I thought, those idiots contacted the F-F adapter directly instead of crossing the wires21:28
jack_lthmm21:29
DocScrutinizerwhich means ALL your peripherals got plus on ground, and minus on +VBUS21:29
jack_ltso that could / is the cause21:30
jack_lt= the good news21:30
DocScrutinizerthat IS the cause21:30
jack_ltdo you suggest a brand?21:31
jack_ltfor a FF adapter?21:31
DocScrutinizersorry, no idea21:31
jack_ltanyway, thx a lot21:31
jack_ltI hope you're right21:31
jack_lt would be great21:32
DocScrutinizertrust me, I am - if you did the test exactly like I told you21:32
*** radiofree has quit IRC21:32
*** zap_ has joined #maemo21:33
jack_ltleft from my point of view?21:34
*** thetet has joined #maemo21:34
DocScrutinizersure21:34
jack_ltok21:34
*** luojie-dune has joined #maemo21:34
jack_ltshould be done the way you told me21:35
jack_lthmm maybe I should test it in the shop21:35
*** SmilyOrg has joined #maemo21:35
DocScrutinizerlooking into the receptacle you got the white thingy on lower half, cavity on upper. The gold contacts fact upward on top of the white thingy, and left contact seen from your POV is the one that indicates sth is wrong21:35
DocScrutinizers/fact/face/21:36
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: looking into the receptacle you got the white thingy on lower half, cavity on upper. The gold contacts face upward on top of the white thingy, and left contact seen from your POV is the one that indicates sth is wrong21:36
ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/18/riaa_biggest_threat_innovation_senator/ <-- ROFL21:36
jack_ltright21:36
jack_ltI buy another one and report back21:37
jack_ltyou think this is a design error from their part?21:37
*** arnet^off is now known as arnet21:37
*** thetet has quit IRC21:38
*** SmilybOrg has quit IRC21:39
DocScrutinizerjack_lt: think along with me: your PC has host ports, your cable plugged in there has + on right side. now you unplug the cable, turn it towards you, now plus is on left side. you plug F-F adapter on it and plug in another similar plug to the F-F adapter. Obviously this plug is facing away from you and thus has plus on right side.21:39
DocScrutinizerso what your F-F adapter needs to do is cross all the 4 wires. Yours doesn't21:40
*** jrocha has joined #maemo21:40
jack_ltso I want my money back21:42
*** klasu__ has quit IRC21:42
DocScrutinizerI'd say at very least that21:42
jack_ltbut it shouldn21:42
jack_ltt work on a laptop?21:42
DocScrutinizersorry?21:42
jack_ltor is this specific to the n90021:42
jack_ltI can test the FF on my laptop21:43
DocScrutinizersuch a sort of adapter has no "official" usage21:43
DocScrutinizerno, your laptop probably is standards conform and thus has no way to test a single such F-F adapter21:43
jack_ltyou suspect that connecting an usb stick via this FF adapter to the laptop, fails?21:43
DocScrutinizeryou can't21:44
jack_ltok21:44
DocScrutinizeryou'll find no way to plug a usb stick to your laptop with just the F-F adapter plus "standard" cables21:44
*** thetet has joined #maemo21:45
*** radiofree has joined #maemo21:45
DocScrutinizerand if you'd use 2 F-F adapters or sth like that, they would fix the issue by swapping twice21:46
*** teddy1 has quit IRC21:48
*** githogori has quit IRC21:49
*** wazd has quit IRC21:57
*** teddy1 has joined #maemo21:58
*** tarantism has joined #maemo22:00
*** arnet is now known as arnet^off22:01
*** githogori has joined #maemo22:02
*** arnet^off is now known as norayr^off22:02
*** norayr^off is now known as arnet22:02
*** nmjnb has quit IRC22:03
*** t73 has joined #maemo22:09
*** alehorst has quit IRC22:09
*** vilociraptor` has quit IRC22:10
*** trumee_ has joined #maemo22:10
*** trumee has quit IRC22:10
*** thetet has quit IRC22:10
*** wicket64 has joined #maemo22:19
*** Roomerlol has joined #maemo22:19
jack_ltthx bbl22:20
*** jack_lt has quit IRC22:20
*** messerting has joined #maemo22:26
*** wmarone__ has joined #maemo22:26
*** wmarone_ has quit IRC22:26
*** vortext has quit IRC22:27
t73anyone using an expresscard ssd?22:28
*** t73 is now known as velociraptor`22:28
*** ced117 has quit IRC22:30
*** lizardo has joined #maemo22:31
*** lukasz_gut has quit IRC22:31
*** lukasz_gut has joined #maemo22:32
*** z4chh has quit IRC22:34
*** geaaru has quit IRC22:37
mr_jrtPersonally, I ordered one of these: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-cable-coupler-extension-connector-264622:39
*** jhb has joined #maemo22:41
dzhobeen a long time since I've done a DX order22:45
*** klasu__ has joined #maemo22:46
*** sirdancealot has joined #maemo22:48
*** M4rtinK has joined #maemo22:56
*** etrunko has quit IRC22:57
*** velociraptor` has quit IRC22:58
*** rafael2k_ has joined #maemo23:01
*** thetet has joined #maemo23:03
*** kakashi_ has quit IRC23:08
*** florian has joined #maemo23:10
*** florian has joined #maemo23:10
*** luojie-dune has quit IRC23:13
*** rd has joined #maemo23:14
*** ArGGu^^ has joined #maemo23:16
*** kraft has quit IRC23:23
*** Proteous has quit IRC23:23
*** dreamer has quit IRC23:23
*** krau has quit IRC23:23
*** evilbulgarian has quit IRC23:23
*** Macer has quit IRC23:23
*** robtaylor has quit IRC23:23
*** esaym153 has quit IRC23:23
*** dmb has quit IRC23:23
*** kraft has joined #maemo23:24
*** Proteous has joined #maemo23:24
*** dreamer has joined #maemo23:24
*** krau has joined #maemo23:24
*** evilbulgarian has joined #maemo23:24
*** Macer has joined #maemo23:24
*** robtaylor has joined #maemo23:24
*** esaym153 has joined #maemo23:24
*** dmb has joined #maemo23:24
*** wicket64 has quit IRC23:25
*** wicket64 has joined #maemo23:26
*** dominikb has joined #maemo23:29
*** rafael2k_ has quit IRC23:30
hakkattakkHi! I just got my n900 and just want to make sure how I flash it. I flash it with this commands:23:33
hakkattakk1. flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f23:33
NIN101~flash23:34
hakkattakk2. flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f23:34
infoboti heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware23:34
hakkattakk3. flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R23:34
hakkattakkNIN101: thx23:34
hakkattakkyeah, it looks like I was right :) I hope I dont brick the phone now :)23:36
Sicelogood luck23:36
*** wicket64 has quit IRC23:37
*** madalu has joined #maemo23:39
*** valerius has joined #maemo23:40
ShadowJKIt's hard to brick23:42
ShadowJKbut make sure you have fully charged battery before you start, because it will not flash on not-full battery23:42
*** krayon has joined #maemo23:42
*** krayon has left #maemo23:42
*** thetet has left #maemo23:43
*** arnet has quit IRC23:43
DocScrutinizermake *SURE*23:44
*** evilbulgarian has quit IRC23:44
DocScrutinizerand s/hard/almost impossible/23:44
*** valerius has quit IRC23:45
*** jjo_ has joined #maemo23:47
*** evilbulgarian has joined #maemo23:48
*** wicket64 has joined #maemo23:50
hakkattakkgreat! I have charged the battery for about one hour, hopfully it will be fully charged soon23:54
*** gri is now known as zz_gri23:55
*** Roomerlol has quit IRC23:57
*** liar has quit IRC23:58
*** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC23:59
*** liar has joined #maemo23:59
*** jrocha has quit IRC23:59
*** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo23:59

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!