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| eichi_N900 | hello. I want to dev a slamm application. At the moment, i think python with gtk is the easiest and pyside the best I can use. What do you think about that? What should I use? | 00:53 |
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| eichi_N900 | slamm = small | 00:53 |
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| newbie007 | hi, can anyone tell me the status of hildon desktop, can I install this on a intel chipset? What about arm7? | 01:12 |
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| Sicelo | newbie007: try Cordia project :/ i don't have more details beyond that | 01:31 |
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| eichi_N900 | No one can give me an answer? | 01:40 |
| javispedro | eichi_N900: which devices you want to target? | 01:45 |
| javispedro | eichi_N900: and, you have previous experience with either of two? (pygtk or pyside) | 01:45 |
| eichi_N900 | For n900. I did a little with python, gtk and holdon objects. But want to choose the right framework now, before my first big development | 01:47 |
| eichi_N900 | i also did some c++ with qt on desktop, but want to try python, because i dont need sdk stuff | 01:48 |
| eichi_N900 | i like the idea to develop on mobile device directly. With pygtkeditor for example | 01:51 |
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| javispedro | pygtk/pymaemo still might work better on the N900 | 01:57 |
| eichi_N900 | Ok then i will use this now. Also it should be the simple and fast way ;) thanks | 01:57 |
| javispedro | but if you ever plan to get it on the N950/N9 then you might have to redo it | 01:58 |
| eichi_N900 | yeah i know | 01:58 |
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| thansen | is there a specific channel I can go to for ovi maps questions? using the js api... | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Isn't the aPI new in harmattan? | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | If so - #harmattan | 02:43 |
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| slonopotamus | just got new cssu. camera-ui still always says there's no free space :/ | 08:20 |
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| thansen | SpeedEvil: I'm simply trying to use this.. http://api.maps.ovi.com/devguide/overview.html | 08:33 |
| thansen | should I hop into the other channel for that? | 08:33 |
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| slonopotamus | which repo liblocation-dev and libprofile-dev come from? | 09:01 |
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| slonopotamus | found | 09:04 |
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| bash` | uhm...many updates today, new SSU release coming? | 11:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | it already came | 11:14 |
| psycho_oreos | and no, no new official SSU | 11:15 |
| ThreeM | hi there | 11:15 |
| bash` | psycho_oreos: hi, I mean Community SSU | 11:15 |
| psycho_oreos | yes its already out | 11:15 |
| ThreeM | i have a problem and i hope you yan help. My N900 hangs in a bootloop und doesend boot to flashmode by pressing u at startup | 11:16 |
| bash` | psycho_oreos: no changelog available yet? | 11:16 |
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| jpinx | my camera app has died - it givees me "operation failed" when I either click the icon or open the slider | 11:16 |
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| jpinx | any clues? | 11:16 |
| andre__ | the official app, or the app that is part of the cssu? | 11:17 |
| andre__ | tried a reboot already? :) | 11:17 |
| psycho_oreos | ThreeM, take the battery out and have the device not plugged into USB for ~30 seconds plug in USB cable, hold the U key as you re-insert the battery | 11:17 |
| jpinx | andre__: the official app | 11:17 |
| ThreeM | ok i will try | 11:17 |
| jpinx | andre__: rebooted many times ;) | 11:17 |
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| jpinx | andre__: only change I can think of was installng kernel for power users toi enable usb modem (which did not work) | 11:19 |
| andre__ | that reminds me of a bug report. give me a minute. | 11:19 |
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| ThreeM | psycho_oreos nothing happen | 11:19 |
| edheldil | I think you have to update fcam when installing power kernel or something like that | 11:19 |
| ThreeM | nokia screen with usb symbol, but flasher still no regognize the phone as suitable usb device | 11:20 |
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| fizzie | The curiosity. Suddenly the lens cover slider no longer starts/stops the camera app, and the focus keypress now always starts it (as if it thought the cover was permanently open), but that "flashlight" app can read the lens cover state just fine, since it appears/disappears in the status menu if I wiggle the cover. | 11:21 |
| psycho_oreos | ThreeM, and on the N900 its still showing USB symbol on? | 11:21 |
| * jpinx would happily rollback the power kernel install if that is possible | 11:21 | |
| ThreeM | psycho_oreos yea | 11:21 |
| ThreeM | yes | 11:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | ThreeM, maybe your computer cannot see the USB device, probably because you're trying to flash it under VM or some other weird reason | 11:22 |
| ThreeM | my computer see the N900 when i put the usb cable | 11:23 |
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| ThreeM | "USB device found found at bus 002, device address 018." | 11:23 |
| ThreeM | but seems flasher dont put the N900 in flashmode | 11:24 |
| psycho_oreos | flasher does not put N900 into flashmode, only N900 is capable of putting itself into flashmode | 11:24 |
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| psycho_oreos | which host OS are you running? | 11:25 |
| ThreeM | linux | 11:25 |
| ThreeM | hmm maybe its an issue with bootmenu 1.10 ? | 11:25 |
| psycho_oreos | and what does lsusb with the USB cable plugged in?　(should only be one relevant line) | 11:25 |
| psycho_oreos | if its an issue with bootmenu, you're pretty much screwed with a stuffed bootloader :) | 11:26 |
| bash` | how can I download every repository in the Community SSU project on gitorious? | 11:26 |
| psycho_oreos | otherwise I technically doubt it | 11:26 |
| ThreeM | Bus 002 Device 029: ID 0421:0105 Nokia Mobile Phones Nokia Firmware Upgrade Mode | 11:26 |
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| psycho_oreos | yeah so that's should be the correct mode for flashing maybe you have an old flasher tool? | 11:26 |
| ThreeM | flasher 3.5 | 11:27 |
| psycho_oreos | is the linux OS　32bit or 64bit? | 11:27 |
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| ThreeM | 64bit, but flashing was never an issue until now :) | 11:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | afaik there was a thing for 64bit that you have to install/use to make it work | 11:28 |
| psycho_oreos | the other possible thing is a faulty USB cable and/or USB　ports | 11:28 |
| ThreeM | is the flasher 2.5.2 the latest version? | 11:28 |
| psycho_oreos | it is the latest for non-ARM platform | 11:28 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:29 |
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| psycho_oreos | hi | 11:29 |
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| andre__ | jpinx, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11648 | 11:30 |
| povbot | Bug 11648: [kernel-power] Camera application crashes immediately after the start (after opening the cover) | 11:30 |
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| jiero | today the FCamera crashed my System... | 11:30 |
| jiero | lol | 11:30 |
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| jiero | how a camera appliaction lead to whole system segement? | 11:31 |
| jpinx | andre__: many thanks | 11:31 |
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| psycho_oreos | I think they use their own kernel modules | 11:31 |
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| jpinx | jiero: yes I might go back to standard kernel | 11:31 |
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| jiero | jpinx: then you will lose the fun to overclock | 11:32 |
| psycho_oreos | there's plenty of other things you'll lose apart from simply being able to overclock | 11:32 |
| psycho_oreos | some things to lose, in others may gain | 11:33 |
| jpinx | psy6es, like overuse of the battery ;) | 11:33 |
| jpinx | psycho_oreos: /\ /\ | 11:33 |
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| jpinx | my battery doesn't last half a day with the powerkernel | 11:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | jpinx, it depends on how you use it as well with power kernel :) you can't just for example overclock on powerkernel, sees that it chews away batteries like hell and declare powerkernel gives poor battery usability | 11:35 |
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| psycho_oreos | or running things like wifi-hotspot | 11:36 |
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| psycho_oreos | I have had my device running on pk48 with R&D　mode (even though its highly not recommended to leave it in R&D mode) lasting about a days usage with bluetooth for more or less 8 hours plus a few moments of internet surfing | 11:37 |
| psycho_oreos | and maybe tinkering the device in my spare time | 11:37 |
| ThreeM | is the deviced bricked when bootloader is fucked? | 11:38 |
| jpinx | psycho_oreos: I wanted wifihotpsot and usb modem, but neither worked, so I'll probably rollback | 11:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | if NOLO is fucked, yeah you can pretty much say bye bye to the device | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | no | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: you can coldflash | 11:40 |
| robbiethe1st | USB modem? Um... it'll do that by default. | 11:40 |
| robbiethe1st | If you mean using it to tether... | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: without nolo | 11:40 |
| psycho_oreos | jpinx, some users were reporting issues with wifi hotspot and pk48 | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: you can have empty nand | 11:40 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, o.O | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: and recover with just usb cable | 11:40 |
| ThreeM | damn, all i have done is to restore a backup with bootmenu | 11:40 |
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| ThreeM | after that the device was not booting :( | 11:41 |
| psycho_oreos | you meant backupmenu | 11:41 |
| robbiethe1st | Because you didn't do it right. That won't brick anything. | 11:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | and I really doubt that would have been the cause but then again | 11:41 |
| robbiethe1st | More than likely, your backup didn't have the same kernel active | 11:41 |
| robbiethe1st | as the one you were currently running | 11:41 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: and i've done it | 11:41 |
| ThreeM | that can be | 11:41 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: omap has bootloader in ROM | 11:41 |
| robbiethe1st | You can either manually flash the kernel with the flasher utility | 11:41 |
| ThreeM | the backup hold the 48 powerkernel, the N900 has an updated 49 | 11:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Or start from scratch, install backupmenu, then restore | 11:42 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, so what does it look like without NOLO? you still get the nokia screen? out of curiousity that is | 11:42 |
| jacekowski | povbot: ~coldflash | 11:42 |
| povbot | jacekowski: Error: "~coldflash" is not a valid command. | 11:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah. | 11:42 |
| jacekowski | povbot: no | 11:42 |
| povbot | jacekowski: Error: "no" is not a valid command. | 11:42 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: no | 11:42 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: you get dead device | 11:42 |
| jpinx | robbiethe1st: I mean to use the n900 as a usb modem for my laptop | 11:42 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: that doesn't even power up | 11:42 |
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| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: in visible way | 11:42 |
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| robbiethe1st | So, you'll need to download the PK48 deb file, extract it, pull the zimage out of it, and flash that with the -k argument | 11:42 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: but if you plug usb cable in and then insert battery it powers up | 11:42 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, hmm ok and you're saying that's how cold flashing recovers it all.. heh I thought by that time you'd need JTAG | 11:42 |
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| robbiethe1st | jpinx, Yes, it does that by default | 11:43 |
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| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: and if you have flasher ready and waiting it will talk to bootrom and send coldflash nolo | 11:43 |
| robbiethe1st | jpinx, use 'PC Suite' mode when you plug it into USB, then run your software PC side | 11:43 |
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| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: and then you can do normal flash using that | 11:43 |
| ThreeM | robbiethe1st complete flash the device will not work? | 11:43 |
| ThreeM | i mean the vannila and combined images? | 11:44 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: look at | 11:44 |
| jacekowski | ~coldflash | 11:44 |
| infobot | well, coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing | 11:44 |
| jpinx | robbiethe1st: maybe I explain badly. I do the pcsuite connection but my debian laptop doesn't get connected | 11:44 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, interesting I thought cold flashing was where you still get nokia screen but it won't go into the right modes | 11:44 |
| robbiethe1st | ThreeM, It won't boot because the kernel image is wrong. You can either flash the kernel alone, which will probably make it work, or do a reflash(combined only) | 11:44 |
| robbiethe1st | No need for eMMC image at all | 11:44 |
| ThreeM | hmm ok i will try | 11:45 |
| robbiethe1st | jpinx, it's a debian issue. You'll probably need to use QVDial | 11:45 |
| ThreeM | big thx | 11:45 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: NOKIA screen is from working second stage bootloader | 11:45 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, yeah I had a look at that wiki page before, didn't think that was a way to actually rescue even a dead NOLO | 11:45 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: n900 has 3 bootloaders | 11:45 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah I　read that not long ago with a hack to change the nokia logo | 11:45 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: 4 in some way | 11:45 |
| psycho_oreos | xloader is the first part? | 11:45 |
| jpinx | robbiethe1st: I'll come back to you - I' in a bus station here. not able to test anything | 11:45 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: bootrom | 11:45 |
| jacekowski | nolo xloader | 11:46 |
| jacekowski | nolo second | 11:46 |
| psycho_oreos | *nods* | 11:46 |
| jacekowski | + there is nolo second used for coldflashing | 11:46 |
| jacekowski | it's different to normal nolo | 11:46 |
| jacekowski | one is called secondary and other one is called 2nd | 11:46 |
| jacekowski | but i don't remember which way it is | 11:46 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 11:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Er, it's wvdial | 11:46 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: and you have to make sure your phone is really switched off | 11:48 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: otherwise it won't work | 11:48 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: so you have to pull battery out and leave it for few seconds/minutes | 11:48 |
| robbiethe1st | jpinx, keep http://pastebin.com/x8pFq1AA handy. You'll need to slightly modify this, but this is what you need in your /etc/wvdial.conf file to tether. Then, connect N900, PC Suite mode, and run wvdial(as root) | 11:48 |
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| jpinx | robbiethe1st: thanks | 11:49 |
| robbiethe1st | should just need to change the APN | 11:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ([2011-09-07 10:16:00] <ThreeM> i have a problem and i hope you yan help. My N900 hangs in a bootloop und doesend boot to flashmode by pressing u at startup) alien recharge your battery | 12:05 |
| ThreeM | HA | 12:06 |
| ThreeM | flashing the kernelimage 47 worked like a charm :) | 12:07 |
| ThreeM | big thx robbiethe1st and psycho_oreos | 12:07 |
| robbiethe1st | NP | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ([2011-09-07 10:38:56] <ThreeM> is the deviced bricked when bootloader is fucked?) no, you can coldflash, but evidently yout problem isn't bootloader nor bootmenu, you got a problem at PC side | 12:09 |
| ThreeM | DocScrutinizer problem is solved. | 12:10 |
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| RST38h | http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/09/electromagnetic-pulse-emp-bomb-developed-in-south-korea/ | 12:16 |
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| edheldil | RST38h: I wonder whether SK forces wouldn't be damaged by EMP more than NK's | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: how about backup/restore of kernel partition? | 12:21 |
| robbiethe1st | I don't really know how I'd go about it... Could/would I use nandwrite/read, or should I try to just find a copy on the root/optfs? | 12:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nandread/write is the way to go I'd think | 13:00 |
| cehteh | arrgs .. bricked my device :P | 13:03 |
| neal | How do I disable apt updating over wifi? | 13:03 |
| neal | s/wifi/cellular/ | 13:03 |
| infobot | neal meant: How do I disable apt updating over cellular? | 13:03 |
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| Venemo | neal, http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check | 13:07 |
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| neal | Venemo: Thanks! | 13:13 |
| Venemo | neal, yw | 13:13 |
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| RST38h | <YAWN> | 14:06 |
| psycho_oreos | never chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf... lol | 14:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err wut? | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: why? | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | on maemo I thought /etc/resolv.conf actually never gets changed | 15:00 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I don't know if it is just me but I rememeber I　manually added entries into resolv.conf and that was cleared out when I switched.. maybe I restored my backup and hence I overreacted | 15:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, you're not supposed to add entries to resolv.conf | 15:02 |
| psycho_oreos | it was one of the things that sort of annoyed me as it took ages for pages to load even with all those addons for microb to make it go faster | 15:02 |
| psycho_oreos | true but I was annoyed at it taking its time to resolve hostnames and hence going about my own ways :/ | 15:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | resolv.conf is meant to point to 127.0.0.1 always | 15:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on maemo | 15:03 |
| psycho_oreos | on mine it was blank, I've added google dns entries before and now I'm adding them again | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | fremantle is using dnsmasq | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | see cat /etc/resolvconf/update.d/dnsmasq | 15:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# | 15:06 |
| psycho_oreos | mine was definitely empty :) | 15:06 |
| psycho_oreos | I have a few tarballs to prove it.. but it could've been something that I've done to make it go blank lol | 15:07 |
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| bindi | what repo is dbus-scripts on? not finding | 15:39 |
| bindi | extras-devel apparently | 15:41 |
| bindi | i have it activated | 15:41 |
| psycho_oreos | might need to refresh the lists | 15:42 |
| bindi | did | 15:42 |
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| psycho_oreos | through which program? | 15:44 |
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| bindi | ssh, apt-get update | 15:44 |
| psycho_oreos | no errors when it came to downloading and refreshing package lists from extras-devel? | 15:45 |
| bindi | actually hm | 15:45 |
| bindi | i might have lied | 15:45 |
| bindi | looks like FAM has a source list of it's own | 15:45 |
| psycho_oreos | it doesn't | 15:46 |
| bindi | well I see extras-devel there, well and activated | 15:46 |
| bindi | in HAM I don't | 15:46 |
| psycho_oreos | dbus-scripts afaik doesn't have icon and if it doesn't have icon iinm FAM or HAM　would not list it as a program | 15:46 |
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| bindi | didnt look it from there, just checked the repositories in FAM | 15:47 |
| psycho_oreos | meaning in other words its best to install it from the command line | 15:47 |
| psycho_oreos | FAM relies on apt-get | 15:47 |
| jonwil | hi | 15:47 |
| psycho_oreos | hi | 15:48 |
| bindi | sigh I quit HAM | 15:49 |
| bindi | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? | 15:49 |
| bindi | finally | 15:49 |
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| bindi | and adding extras-devel in HAM worked, even it showed up in FAM | 15:49 |
| bindi | mind you I just installed the new CSSU update | 15:50 |
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| * jonwil wishes he could find someone who knows how to write status bar widgets so he can get some help writing the Cell Broadcast SMS widget | 15:50 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Poke the authors of some? | 15:51 |
| SpeedEvil | cpumem applet? | 15:51 |
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| jonwil | dont know of anyone who makes these things | 15:51 |
| jonwil | :P | 15:51 |
| SpeedEvil | well - look at he project page, and ping them | 15:52 |
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| bindi | just applied karam's speed and batterypatch | 15:59 |
| bindi | we'll see how good it functions | 15:59 |
| cityLights | probably a common question , now that cssu update is out | 16:01 |
| bindi | lol | 16:01 |
| bindi | it won't boot xD | 16:01 |
| bindi | i'm guessing low battery though | 16:01 |
| bindi | i've booted many times now :f | 16:01 |
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| cityLights | how to tell where I got too much occupied space in the root fs? | 16:02 |
| kerio | du | 16:02 |
| kerio | du / | sort -n | 16:02 |
| cityLights | du --max-depth=1 doesnt work | 16:02 |
| jacekowski | cityLights: ncdu | 16:02 |
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| kerio | kimitake: wtf | 16:03 |
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| scoobertron | it will remember the layouts you want for portrait and landscape, so you only need to set them up once | 16:05 |
| scoobertron | crap, sorry, wrong channel | 16:05 |
| neal | Is there a way to figure out when a h-a-m update has completed and what its status was, e.g., some dbus signal? com.nokia.hildon_application_manager doesn't appear to provide such functionality... | 16:11 |
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| cityLights | how to get the rx/tx speed a device gives | 16:19 |
| cityLights | like vnstat | 16:19 |
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| cityLights | which shows that eth0 is now sending (tx) 0Mib/sec | 16:19 |
| cityLights | which shows that eth0 is now sending (tx) 10Mib/sec | 16:19 |
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| svuorela | &win 33 | 16:22 |
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| bindi | well | 16:45 |
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| bindi | that karam's battery and speed patch | 16:45 |
| bindi | device boots, and i'm now at the desktop with nothing but a wallpaper and the menu icon | 16:46 |
| bindi | won't react to anything | 16:46 |
| bindi | alright stuff just happened | 16:46 |
| bindi | looked like artifacts on screen | 16:47 |
| bindi | perhaps i shoujld disable that gpu acc of menus | 16:47 |
| bindi | and other stuff... if i ever get there | 16:47 |
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| bindi | works now | 16:51 |
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| bindi | so | 17:19 |
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| bindi | opinions on must-have apps | 17:19 |
| bindi | or rather, what are your must-have apps | 17:19 |
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| kevin_b | bindi, microB | 17:36 |
| kevin_b | aircrack, nmap | 17:36 |
| bindi | I actually tried aircrack | 17:36 |
| kevin_b | webOs games, psx4m | 17:36 |
| bindi | the wlan card mode or something drove me nuts and it wouldnt work | 17:36 |
| kevin_b | it does work | 17:36 |
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| kevin_b | and the N900 wifi is very powerful | 17:36 |
| bindi | user error clearly :p | 17:37 |
| bindi | very powerful? :D | 17:37 |
| bindi | in terms of speed, not really | 17:37 |
| bindi | 500 kB/s is what i've peaked at | 17:37 |
| bindi | really close to the ap | 17:37 |
| kevin_b | I mean, it can get wifi packets over many walls for me | 17:37 |
| kevin_b | maybe walls around me are too thin haha | 17:37 |
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| bindi | actually yeah | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I get 1.8M/s or so transfer to another thing on the net | 17:37 |
| bindi | how? D: | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | localnet | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | scp foo phone | 17:38 |
| bindi | 100Mb line here | 17:38 |
| bindi | laptop gets 10 Mb | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | this is internal | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | to a g router | 17:38 |
| bindi | yes | 17:38 |
| bindi | i know | 17:38 |
| bindi | i could test it locally but doesnt change anything | 17:38 |
| bindi | it's slow | 17:38 |
| kevin_b | but the best app to me is...; | 17:38 |
| bindi | even ssh lags | 17:38 |
| kevin_b | XTerm haha | 17:38 |
| bindi | kevin_b: did aircrack-ng work for you out of the box? | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | bindi: that probably indicates probelms with powerdaving | 17:39 |
| bindi | it installed to a weird location and i had to add it to $PATH | 17:39 |
| kevin_b | mmm, maybe need to use the extras-devel one | 17:39 |
| bindi | and then i don't know what it failed on | 17:40 |
| bindi | or don't remember | 17:40 |
| bindi | SpeedEvil: hmm? | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | powersaving | 17:41 |
| bindi | kevin_b: I have extras-devel and extras, how do I get the devel one? | 17:42 |
| bindi | I'm only seeing one anyway | 17:42 |
| kevin_b | yea anyway maybe there s only one | 17:42 |
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| neal | anyone know if h-a-m uses the files in /var/cache/apt/archives? | 18:05 |
| neal | or does it always redownload? | 18:05 |
| neal | e.g, if I do apt-get install --download-only, will h-a-m later use the downloaded archives or will it redownload them? | 18:05 |
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| RST38h | ...Marx claimed that under industrial age capitalism's rules, commodities became revered talismans, worshipped through transactional exchanges, imbued with mystical powers that give them inherent value... | 18:12 |
| RST38h | iPhone! | 18:12 |
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| ShadowJK | gold | 18:27 |
| RST38h | Gold is older than that | 18:27 |
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| thansen | SpeedEvil: ping | 18:37 |
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| slonopotamus | so, i checked out cssu camera-ui from git, built it but it only says "Init: 0x4134f330" when run and sits silently :/ | 18:53 |
| slonopotamus | (no gui) | 18:53 |
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| Sicelo | neal: at least apt-get install does use them, so i'd suppose ham does too | 19:03 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, why is it that people on the German e-bay usually only ship to Germany? | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they probably hate the trouble of shipping to another country | 19:47 |
| Venemo | meh. | 19:47 |
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| flux | ..does solving that problem involve something else than money? | 19:49 |
| x29a | Venemo: looking up shipping costs is a hazzle | 19:50 |
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| Venemo | so they are lazy | 19:51 |
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| dos11 | hi | 20:19 |
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| dos1 | who's in charge of CSSU version of camera-ui? | 20:19 |
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| wmarone | dos1: ask in #maemo-ssu | 20:21 |
| dos1 | wmarone: ok, thanks | 20:21 |
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| dbk | hello. i am having trouble connecting via wifi to a particular access point. it is a wap54g and for some reason when i choose to connect to it from the "internet connections" menu and enter the wpa pre-shared key, i get "Network connection error. Try again?" but trying again yields the same result. | 20:29 |
| dbk | this in an n900.... | 20:29 |
| Sicelo | other devices connect fine to this ap? | 20:30 |
| dbk | yes, i have connected via laptop using the same pre-shared key | 20:30 |
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| Sicelo | n900 can connect to other ap's? | 20:31 |
| dbk | yes, n900 has connected to other aps with no problems | 20:32 |
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| dbk | any idea what could be the problem? | 20:37 |
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| dos1 | WARNING: it seems that camera-ui from newest CSSU is overwriting photos taken by another applications (like BlessN900)!!! | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-09-07 19:56:13] <dos1> WARNING: it seems that camera-ui from newest CSSU is overwriting photos taken by another applications (like BlessN900)!!! | 20:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this is the supergau bug, it causes USEr DATA LOSS | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | so please beware of the most recent CSSU update | 20:57 |
| dbk | We apologize, but we are unable to access your hosting account information at this time. | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | or take care about your pictures | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/gau/MCA/ | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maximum credible accident | 21:00 |
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| eichi | lol there is nowhere some tutorial for pymaemo with layout manager. All examples just do one button on window | 21:03 |
| eichi | and with gtk layout manager, I cant add hilton.Button | 21:03 |
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| dbk | We apologize, but we are unable to access your hosting account information at this time. | 21:17 |
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| bindi | interesting this kamil's battery patch | 22:36 |
| bindi | it's drained 40% in 2.5 hours | 22:36 |
| bindi | idled all time except for 1 call | 22:36 |
| bindi | no 3g no wlan | 22:36 |
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| Sicelo | sure there wasn't any busy process in the background? (i once had MicroEmulator drain about just as fast after it crased) | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~uptime | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaaha | 22:47 |
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| infobot | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer) | 22:48 |
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| PBeck | hey | 23:17 |
| PBeck | is it possible to use the sim access profile on the n900? | 23:17 |
| Sicelo | don't think so. there isn't any setting for it.. tried scanning N900 from a computer? | 23:23 |
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| PBeck | Sicelo: ah good idea i will look how i can do it with hcitool | 23:26 |
| Sicelo | i have just done it. isn't there :) | 23:27 |
| PBeck | hum and hfl? | 23:28 |
| Sicelo | nope, actually i think bluetooth profiles supported by N900 are listed somewhere, wiki maybe | 23:31 |
| PBeck | Service Name: Headset Audio Gateway | 23:32 |
| PBeck | Service Name: Hands-Free Audio Gateway | 23:32 |
| PBeck | Service Name: Audio Source | 23:32 |
| PBeck | Service Name: AVRCP TG | 23:32 |
| PBeck | Service Name: AVRCP CT | 23:32 |
| PBeck | Service Name: Object Push server | 23:32 |
| PBeck | Service Name: File Transfer server | 23:32 |
| PBeck | Service Name: Nokia OBEX PC Suite Services | 23:32 |
| PBeck | Service Name: SyncML Client | 23:32 |
| PBeck | Service Name: Nokia SyncML Server | 23:32 |
| PBeck | hum can be hands-free audio gateway | 23:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Sim access profile requires low-level support by the modem | 23:32 |
| SpeedEvil | As I understand it - it's not supported. | 23:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is a real pity | 23:32 |
| PBeck | SpeedEvil: :/ | 23:33 |
| PBeck | it's really hard to understand nokia :( | 23:35 |
| PBeck | no meego device in germany :/ | 23:35 |
| PBeck | then it would be not so problem when the n900 hat not this feature :/ | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | would need a proper -p(lugin) for csd (see ps ax|grep csd, cat /proc/`pidof csd`/cmdline) | 23:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what's -p sim and -p simpb | 23:38 | |
| PBeck | DocScrutinizer: explain :) | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 23:39 |
| PBeck | what is csd? | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | the daemon connecting to ISI aka modem I guess | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | 769 root 3280 S /usr/sbin/csd -m -p call -p gprs -p info -p net -p si | 23:41 |
| PBeck | ah ok | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess it doesn't know how to handle SIM access profile | 23:44 |
| PBeck | you mean from the hardware? | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe not even modem firmware allows that | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think there's really very few mobile phones that actually support SAP | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Freerunner one of them, since err moko10? | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 23:45 |
| Sicelo | 9500/9300 ftw ;) | 23:45 |
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| PBeck | lol ;) | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | for some reason it seems manufacturers consider SAP a security issue | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ javispedro | 23:47 |
| PBeck | DocScrutinizer: the openmoko neo freerunner the best supported device on the earth ;( | 23:47 |
| javispedro | moo. | 23:47 |
| PBeck | :) | 23:47 |
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| PBeck | DocScrutinizer: yeah and the car manufactures say its great ;) | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | PBeck: WHAT?! I gave you SAP and you still complain? ;-P | 23:47 |
| PBeck | DocScrutinizer: on the wrong device ;) | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PBeck: >> === Moko9-Beta2 === * Adds "AT+CSIM" (for swisscom)<< http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/all_version__CHANGELOG.txt | 23:50 |
| cehteh | why is my rootfs 99% full just after flashing and installing cssu | 23:50 |
| PBeck | DocScrutinizer: good good ;) | 23:52 |
| cehteh | bah .. not even space to install rootsh .. fuuu! | 23:53 |
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| Atarii | There's so many battery/speed/overclock threads these days | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: sounds odd | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: please rise the issue on #maemo-ssu | 23:59 |
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