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luke-jrhow do I remove a timed silence?00:05
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ShadowJKa what..00:08
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DocScrutinizerhow fast is a timed silence?00:10
ShadowJKwhat IS a timed silence00:11
DocScrutinizerand how does it taste?00:11
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ShadowJKlike waffles+00:13
ShadowJK?00:13
DocScrutinizermaybe a timed silence can get removed by a alarm clock that has a loud ticking sound?00:13
javispedromore importantly, how does a timed silence sound?00:15
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DocScrutinizeresp does it sound different when nobody listens?00:21
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DocScrutinizerand how long is a timed silence when nobody is going to time it00:22
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DocScrutinizermaybe timed is a noun? o.O00:23
* DocScrutinizer does a ps|grep timed00:23
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crashanddiehah01:46
crashanddieI'm going to meet Stallman01:46
SpeedEvilFun.01:50
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DocScrutinizer\o/01:57
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Hurrianhmm, how hard would it be to recompile the open part of maemo with thumb and neon?02:41
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cehtehdoesnt gcc optimize that already as much as it can?02:46
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RiDis it just me or those recatchas are getting harder and harder? One day they will be impossible to recognize by a human, but bots will still manage to recognize them...05:46
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iluminator101is there an app that when you take a pic, it stamps geolocation on it?06:50
iluminator101i mean is there an app that when you take a pic stamps the coordinates on it?06:51
archliluminator101: I think it have a tag,not stamp,but why you want stamp? its hard to remove easier to add.06:53
iluminator101archl, tag i meant when you take the pic it automatically adds the tag06:54
archliluminator101: its a feature in both camera and blessn900 application06:55
archliluminator101: you need to enable it06:55
iluminator101camera is the default app that comes with maemo right?06:56
archlright06:57
archlit will enable GPS06:57
archlalthough catch satellite need sometime06:57
iluminator101cool thanks archl06:58
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: he's coming down for some of my friends' graduation09:36
crashanddieWell, friends and one of my future employees, actually09:36
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* Sicelo just can't get long-tap right16:02
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: yeah, longtap is difficult, I always use the scheme to tap+hold, then "drag+drop" to the according item in popup-menu16:46
DocScrutinizerlong-tap to open menu, then click on menu item, seems virtually impossible16:47
Siceloyeah. i thought maybe someone figured out a better way16:47
ShadowJKI think opera's longtap is only one that doesn't need drag-drop16:48
DocScrutinizerthe key for succeeding long-tap is fast lift-off of the touching object16:49
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jogawhat's longtap?16:50
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DocScrutinizerotherwise bouncing touchscreen creates a bogus click on "button-up"16:50
DocScrutinizerjoga: click-and-hold16:50
jogaoh...16:50
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DocScrutinizerplus lift-off of "your finger" == long-tap16:51
jogaI never found anything wrong with it except that when I hold my finger there it's blocking the menu item16:51
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jogahmm, ok... I thought the menu would disappear when I lift the finger :)16:51
DocScrutinizermore often than not the menu closes as soon as you lift off your finger16:51
DocScrutinizerit's not supposed to do that16:51
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jogaspeaking of tricky tricks...clicking an url keypad closed is pretty hard16:52
DocScrutinizercaused by a bogus click event during lift-off16:52
jogawith fingers at least..16:52
jogaDocScrutinizer, ok...haven't payed much attention to such myself, fortunately it's pretty rare that I have to bring up a context menu16:53
DocScrutinizerdepends where and how to click16:53
joga*paid16:53
joga:)16:53
DocScrutinizerin browser a zoom-in can help much to make clicking URLs more easy16:53
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jogathat's true16:54
DocScrutinizerusing your fingernail is another benefit of resistive touchscreen that won't work on N9's c-ts16:54
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jogaoften have to do it especially when on some transport16:54
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jogaI always use my finger nail really, I kinda hit them a bit backwards I guess16:55
DocScrutinizermaybe calibrating the sceen can help?16:55
DocScrutinizer(have to admit I *never* done it on N900)16:55
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DocScrutinizerbtw xchat is severely off for touchpoint vs screen display content16:56
DocScrutinizerobviously some calculation/algo bug16:56
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DocScrutinizerI got used to it and compensate for it, so I never came to file a bug against it16:58
DocScrutinizer:-)16:58
ShadowJKi never noticed that16:59
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DocScrutinizerit's fairly noticable when you try to grab the scrollbar. Needs clicking quite some mm inside the textbox16:59
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DocScrutinizerclicking *on* the scrollbar handle doesn't work17:00
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jogaDocScrutinizer I think the problem with urls is more likely because I use a pretty small font and even a click might end up being a drag, first triggering the "copy/open" dialog but also the on-screen keyboard17:02
jogabut it sometimes works inconsistently too, I dunno17:02
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jogaI nearly always have the keypad open anyway, I find the device easier to hold like that17:03
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: I rarely ever use scrollbar since I changed keymapping to scroll with up/down keys. So I forgot to annoy you all with my rant :-D17:04
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jogayesterday I realized that I've always been doing 1) flip the locking switch to turn on display 2) open keypad  for checking irc or something, but then when I close the keypad, I also have to flip the lock switch again, when instead I could simply just push the keypad up to check stuff and back in to lock the screen :)17:06
DocScrutinizeryeah, the pity is it's not possible to lock screen unconditionally on closing kbd slider (unless you do some scripting hackery)17:08
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DocScrutinizerif you did some user interaction (tapping screen, pressing a key) while device unlocked by slider-opn, then slider-close won't lock again17:09
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rhnhi21:09
rhnjust started testing the GPS on my new n900 - anyone knows how to get proper HDOP values?21:09
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Sicelohdop?21:12
rhndilution of precision21:13
rhnthey are an order of magnitude bigger than in my other units21:13
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Siceloi don't know much about these things, unfortunately21:15
Sicelocheck out Columbus and Location Test21:16
Sicelomaybe what u want is there21:16
rhnlet's see21:16
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SpeedEvilrhn: I think I submitted a bug on that.21:29
SpeedEvilrhn: What software are you using?21:29
SpeedEvilrhn: is it something that generates gpxs?21:29
rhnSpeedEvil, I tried some gpx logging widget21:30
SpeedEvilyes - it has a bug21:30
rhnbut AGTL and GPSRecorder show far too big values as well21:30
rhnis it a software issue?21:31
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rhndoes anyone know how to fix the value? some scaling perhaps?21:31
SpeedEvilYou know that HDOP is unitless?21:32
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rhnyup21:32
rhnstill, some relationship might exist21:32
rhnSpeedEvil, can you post a link to the bug report?21:34
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SpeedEvilhttp://pastebin.com/4PrgafpM was mailed to marcell@maemo.org on 24/5/201021:36
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SpeedEvilhmm21:36
SpeedEvilI think I've actually submitted a seperate bug against something else21:37
rhnI can see my exact story in that message21:37
rhnagainst liblocation (or whatever it's called)?21:38
SpeedEvilI'm unsure - I think it was another logger widget that was logging HDOP but using the meters estimated error to do it - so was stupidly out21:39
SpeedEvilPossibly 'gps recorder'21:40
SpeedEvilunsure though21:40
rhnI think it's what I'm using at the moment21:40
rhngotta look at liblocation in that case21:41
SpeedEviltry the other wisget21:41
SpeedEvilhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/gps-data-logger/21:41
SpeedEvilAlso - osm2go I think does it properly21:42
rhnactually I was using GPS data logger21:43
rhnso it's wrong as well21:43
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rhndoes osm2go capture tracks at all?21:49
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rhnSpeedEvil, Columbus seems to return correct information, although it outputs NMEA22:13
rhnoh wait, it uses fake HDOP22:14
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ajayhey folks..22:30
ajayjust wondering if anyone knows if there are folks working on Maemo for the touchpad?22:30
Sicelono. there aren't, and won't be. maybe MeeGo22:31
ajayjust realized that after i said it, heh.. ta!22:31
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Sicelo~meh22:44
infobotmeh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase22:44
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DocScrutinizer~wtf meh23:12
infobotGee...  I don't know what meh means...23:12
DocScrutinizer~dict meh23:12
infobotcould not find definition for meh23:12
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cehteh~meh dict :)23:35
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