IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2011-08-25

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javispedroW. T. F.00:11
javispedrothe Android guys are completely crazy00:11
javispedrocompletely, completely.00:11
javispedrohttp://team-touchdroid.com/00:12
javispedronote: mute speakers, protect your eyes.00:12
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javispedroand as usual, the entire thing exploded into a rather giant flamewar, and I wasn't even there! shame, I had popcorn around.00:21
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, Android is so lame.00:38
GeneralAntillesWhat an idiotic video.00:38
* GeneralAntilles wonders about web applications that can't handle more than one open window.00:38
javispedronote that the harmattan ui guidelines force single window apps too :(00:39
javispedrowith a few exceptions: conversations, mail.00:40
GeneralAntillesWell, that's a mobile device00:40
* javispedro filed a bug as the browser is not on that list.00:40
DeadHedgeJust got my n900 and I have to say, this is the single most awsome phone ever :)00:40
GeneralAntillesit's something completely different for a complicated web interface.00:40
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GeneralAntillesDeadHedge, welcome to the 21st century.00:40
DeadHedgePft :)00:41
DeadHedgeLinux has been dead to me for quite some time but this has sparked my interest again00:43
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GeneralAntillesThis is, hopefully, the future.00:44
GeneralAntillesProblem with desktop Linux is that most of the distributions don't actually have customers.00:44
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GeneralAntillesNokia doesn't suffer from that00:45
rdI crashed my display and had to replace it. After restart it asked me for the time again (maybe because it was too long without battery?).00:45
rdI was surprised that the N900 is not capable to fetch the time on its own.00:45
rdDo I explicityly have to install openrdate or a similar package?00:45
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rdIs there no way to get the time from the 2G/3G network? At least from GPS it should be possible.00:46
rdright?00:46
rdWhat do you use?00:46
GeneralAntillesHuh?00:46
GeneralAntillesIt fetches time from the cell network just fine here.00:46
DeadHedgeyeah00:46
GeneralAntillesIs your backup battery dead?00:46
DeadHedgesettings - time / date00:47
DeadHedgeupdate automatically00:47
javispedrord: your network might be wonky00:47
DeadHedgeworks great00:47
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javispedroyou can find packages for gps time sync around (don't remember anyone of the top of my head)00:47
javispedroalso rdate works00:48
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DeadHedgebtw; is there a problem with the bat. app. it keeps asking about apmd00:49
DeadHedgethen i have to boot my phone00:49
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javispedrowhat bat app?00:50
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DeadHedgesec00:50
rdI tried rdate, yes worked for me as well.00:51
rdDeadHedge, thanks for the pointer to settings, it was disabled.00:51
cehtehadvance power monitor? .. who needs that? :P00:51
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DeadHedgeadvanced power00:51
DeadHedgerd, np00:52
rdGeneralAntilles, thanks for the pointer to the backup battery. Maybe not only the display, but also the backup battery broke :-(00:52
DeadHedgewhats wrong with advancwd power?00:52
javispedrothe backup battery has been discharged/broken on mine since day 100:53
javispedroso I wouldn't worry00:53
rdjavispedro, that means everytime you remove your battery, the nokia lost all its settings?00:54
cehtehthey could saved some weight (1gramm) and some money (10 cent) by leaving it out .. it never worked anyways00:54
javispedrono, only time00:54
javispedro& date.00:54
FIQ|n900Hm, how does N900 maintain the clock, through the battery?00:54
rdAt least here it tells me it is january 1st, 2009.00:54
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FIQ|n900The time clock00:54
FIQ|n900not cpu/whatever00:54
javispedroit does have a battery and rtc00:55
cehtehis there a ntpdate package without installing ntpd?00:55
javispedrouse rdate00:55
rdjavispedro, but does it also disable the automatically update date?00:55
cehtehah00:55
javispedrord: I don't remember00:55
cehtehthen doing that on bootup should fix it00:55
FIQ|n900because everytime my SIM feels like sleeping, and i have to wiggle it a bit, I have to reset it :D00:55
javispedrodate from 2g/3g network is broken here, but I blame my provider.00:55
rdcehteh, nice idea.00:56
cehtehthe 'automatic' timesetting is always 2 minutes off for me, anyone of you know how that works?00:56
SpeedEvilHere too. (tmobile)00:56
SpeedEvilIf you co and look at syslog - you seee that it gets a date of 0/0/100 from the network00:56
rdDo you know if there is a dbus command to enable the automatic update?00:56
SpeedEvilgo00:56
DeadHedgehow is meego compared to maemo?00:56
cehtehwould be nice when it could use gps as timesource00:56
rdDoes anybody know where the backup battery is located?00:57
javispedrocehteh: I'm quite sure someoen did a package for that00:57
rdI did not see it while looking through the service manual.00:57
cehtehsomewhere on the motherboard00:57
cehtehits tiny and not replaceable (well some soldering, prolly doable but not even worth the effort for an enthusiast and geel)00:57
cehtehk00:57
fainaDeadHedge the 1.2CE meego version I tried on my N900 seemed slow, but it was in's still in active development. And I missed the N900's task switching00:57
rdcehteh: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=779209&postcount=2200:58
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DeadHedgefaina: ok, ty00:58
cehtehrd: nice00:58
fainaI don't have opinions about the N9 variant of Meego00:59
fainaOther than to curse microsoft00:59
DeadHedge:)00:59
rdok, let me rechare my n900 until tomorrow. And then I test again, how long the date survives without battery.01:00
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cehteh10 secs :P01:01
cehtehmaybe less01:01
cehtehwe all have this problem :P01:01
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javispedrohmm01:48
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javispedroeither Steve Jobs just resigned, or today's april fools.01:48
FIQ|n900huh?01:49
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javispedrohttp://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/08/24/steve-jobs-resigns-as-apple-ceo/01:49
FIQ|n900wat01:50
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FIQ|n900and i guess the stock will be sooo screwed up now01:52
FIQ|n900not that i'm a fan of how apple works, but.. yeah, it has clearly succeed01:52
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javispedroStevecaplyse01:52
NIN101hmm, other sources confirm this.01:53
FIQ|n900since when, 15mins ago?01:53
SpeedEvilThe new CEO will go for meego for iphone 5.01:53
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FIQ|n900of course01:53
javispedro:)01:53
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FIQ|n900let's see how wikipedia will react01:56
FIQ|n900@ edits01:56
FIQ|n900aw, no edit permissions01:57
javispedroalready locked?01:57
javispedrothose wikipedians are gniusess01:57
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javispedrobtw, about the Andridiots, even the press is starting to notice they're just a bunch of ...01:58
javispedrohttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391767,00.asp01:58
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FIQ|n900hrm, sorry for the spam02:03
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FIQ|n900N900 though it was a good idea to randomly change to 3G from wifi...02:03
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MohammadAGwould be lulz if some company buys apple02:27
FIQ|n900aand indeed the stock would react negative02:27
FIQ|n900"Breaking News: Apple shares fall 7 percent after CEO Steve Jobs announces resignation"02:27
MohammadAGthat's the start, wait till the EU market wakes up02:28
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* FIQ|n900 thinks it will fall 20%02:31
* SpeedEvil gogles 'how to sell short'02:31
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Gh0stylol SpeedEvil :P02:45
Gh0styperhaps tomorrow is an opportunity to buy apple at the end of the day02:45
Gh0styyou get it pretty cheap and after the hype is over it'll probably take off like a rocket again :p02:45
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MohammadAGJust when I considered buying an iPod02:49
MohammadAGdamn, should've considered that 2 years ago!02:50
Gh0stywait WHAT?02:50
* SpeedEvil boggles.02:50
* GeneralAntilles ate too much.02:50
Gh0styyou consider buying an ipod?02:50
MohammadAGconsidered02:50
SpeedEvilApplies market cap is >$1000 for every american.02:50
* Gh0sty takes out the crosses, pitchforks, garlic, silver bullets and torches02:50
MohammadAGyesterday02:50
Gh0stythink thats about enough to kill anything inhuman02:50
SpeedEvilkryptonite02:51
MohammadAGbut, but, I wasn't drunk!02:51
SpeedEvilGh0sty: You should probably specify cold iron pitchforks.02:51
Gh0stycold iron rusty pitchforks02:52
Gh0sty(why cold?)02:52
MohammadAGgulp02:52
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MohammadAGyou don't wanna know02:52
SpeedEvilElves.02:54
Gh0styelves? :o02:54
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Primeshi, did anyone use the FM transmitter in their n900?04:05
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MohammadAGprobably everyone who owns an N90004:21
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iluminator101my understanding is you can run maemo CE on hp touchpad and then run velvet-ui on top of that, correct me if i am wrong05:50
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: nvm the codes should all work since pr1.210:28
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DocScrutinizerthe 3 digit USSD codes yes. Not so the 2digit SC10:29
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: some like *96#?10:30
DocScrutinizeryup10:30
chem|stwasnt that to get the device serial or some10:30
psycho_oreosno10:30
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DocScrutinizernfc what's 9610:30
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DocScrutinizergenerally queries are with a leading *#10:31
psycho_oreos*#06# is imei, *96# is probably SIM contacts10:31
DocScrutinizerwhile "on"=*10:31
DocScrutinizerand "off"=#10:31
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chem|stI tried all codes my provider makes use of and I could ever need and even the *<somedigits>*<myphonenumber>*<2digits># worked to change the combox timeout10:33
DocScrutinizer["*" "#" "*#"]NN[("*"<param>)]* "#"10:33
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chem|stphones still use all this stuff but the user doesn't see it anymore10:34
chem|stbut there was a mess with fwd'ish behaviour was it?10:34
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chem|stpsycho_oreos: hmm thought it was one of the s/n things, not imei, the SIM SN or something10:35
chem|stimei is the chips networkserial10:35
chem|stgot no device handy where those work10:37
khertanMorning10:37
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DocScrutinizersee tmo thread (aka "bugtracker") of *#-ena10:37
khertani know i ll be out of topic ... but what is the lifetime of a sd card ?10:38
DocScrutinizerthe referred paper has it all10:38
khertanDvd backup aren't real backup ... (unreadable after one year)10:38
DocScrutinizeraaah stoarge durability10:39
khertanyeah ...10:39
khertani m facing a problem now10:39
DocScrutinizerprobably >5 years10:39
khertanhum ... not so bad10:39
DocScrutinizersoe at a cool place10:39
DocScrutinizerit's electrical charge that can vanish over time10:39
* khertan is thinking of buying a few 8Gb sd card to do backup10:39
khertan:)10:39
DocScrutinizerstore* DANG10:40
DocScrutinizerbetter use good old magnetic HDD10:40
khertanelectrical charge could vanish even stored in a protected bag ?10:40
DocScrutinizersupposed lifespan shelf storage >30 years10:40
khertanDocScrutinizer, yeah ... supposed10:40
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khertanDocScrutinizer, i got one the both drive i use for the backup which died10:41
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khertanit was written 5 or 6 time ...10:41
DocScrutinizerfrom stowing away in a shelf for years? unlikely10:42
khertanand wasn't use seens 1 years ...10:42
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khertanwhen use it ... power ... pouf ...10:42
khertancontroller card died :)10:42
DocScrutinizerdang10:42
khertanso yeah data is still here10:42
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DocScrutinizeryou can replace controller though10:42
khertani recover them10:42
chem|stkhertan: some like 10k-100k ZERO bits10:42
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DocScrutinizercontrollers also have flash storage which will vanish after 5..20 years, so yeah :-S10:43
chem|stkhertan: I killd on on first sight, the second after a month, 1TB backup disk10:43
khertanoups10:44
DocScrutinizerwhile data on magnetic media survives for centuries, your controller is prone to "die" from vanishing firmware after "short" time10:44
chem|stand the crank people had not attached a sata-usb adapter they put an usb-controller on to the 2.5" disk10:44
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khertanso there is no real way to store things10:46
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khertanwithout copying them on new storage every years10:47
chem|stkhertan: write with "real" ink on pyruspaper survived centuries10:47
khertani mean digital things10:48
chem|stthe worse is CD or DVD burning10:48
khertani didn't see any printer which are able to print video on pyruspaper :)10:48
khertanchem|st, yep i know10:48
chem|stafter that is usb-pendrives10:48
chem|stthen ssd10:48
chem|stthen print DVD10:48
chem|stthen hdd10:49
khertanusb pendrives isn't secure .... specially with all bad chineese chipset10:49
khertanhdd ...10:49
chem|stleaving out the casettes /dev/null things...10:49
psycho_oreosyou could do what the egyptians et. al. have done for centuries, carving words onto stone bricks :p they will last almost an eternity10:50
chem|stbest is SOTA hdd attached when backup time is and stored on a shelf far away from microwaves and othe e-magnetic things10:50
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chem|stpsycho_oreos: most wars destroy it... even those without bullets...10:51
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psycho_oreoswtf wrong keys.. anyway.. SOTA?10:51
chem|stpsycho_oreos: most wars destroy it... even those without bullets...10:51
chem|ststate of the art10:51
psycho_oreoschem|st, not if you build a city of data underground and have all these writings carved beneath earth's surface ;)10:52
chem|stas long as there is pci I will be able to look at my backups back from 199210:52
khertanyeah but will not resist to an earth quake10:53
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chem|st5 1/4" x2 HDD 32A starting current^^ scsi210:54
psycho_oreosstrategically located `data stones' where they are nowhere near the fault lines can be deemed almost invulnerable ;)10:54
chem|styou have to set the controller to spinup dealy of 500ms or you kill one PSU after another10:54
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DocScrutinizer51konttori_work: morning :)11:10
SpeedEvilchem|st: Starting current if 5 1/4" HDs was nowhere near that high11:11
konttori_workDocScrutinizer51: MORNING!11:11
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konttori_workthe shader plugin for qt4.7 is pretty neat. I need to try it out later today.11:13
konttori_workhttps://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/qml1-shadersplugin/blobs/master/examples/shadereffects/qml/shadereffects/WaterEffect.qml11:13
konttori_workNeed to finally install qt sdk to my work macbook pro.11:13
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edheldilIf anybody is interested how the film studios do solve the digital storage problem - they copy the digital data (i.e. CGI models, textures, ...) to films and store them in data retention facilities. The durability of a film is at least 100years11:25
edheldilalso magnetic tapes (e.g. LTO) have data retention measured in tens of years, I think.11:26
radiofreethe durability isn't 100 years if rats nibble through the tape11:27
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edheldilStorage on magnetic discs has also a problem with bearing lubricants, they are not designed for a long time storage without spinning them up ocassionally11:28
jpinx-out3why not use extra big dvd's'11:29
edheldilradiofree:  but the same holds for pergames and papyrus as well11:29
edheldiljpinx-out:  their durability is abysmal11:29
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edheldillong term data retention is a BIG problem nowadays, because we produce so much data, that copying to anything durable (like titan tablets) is problematic11:31
jpinx-outfor long term I suppose it is important to increase the size of the format so that the detail is not lost11:31
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jacekowskiwell, thing is, what is worth storing for long term11:36
jacekowskiall pr0n we produced?11:36
jacekowskior crappy hollywood movies?11:36
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edheldilthis is perhaps what I read about it long ago: http://www.oscars.org/science-technology/council/projects/digitaldilemma/index.html11:37
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edheldiljacekowski:  that depends on your preferences, of course. Generally the data you can reasonably expect to need in some distant future and which are imossible or costly to recreate11:38
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edheldilthe problem with our civilization is that we produce data on opurselves on media which will perish after only few years - be it literature, art ...11:40
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edheldilIf I remember it correctly, some data from pioneer years of space exploration are simply lost - including the construction plans for US spacecrafts or st. like that11:42
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edheldiloriginal ciphertext enigma messages from Bletchley park were destroyed, so what officially remains from that big heap of cipher material, is some odd hundred or so of messages11:45
edheldiland so on11:45
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edheldilyou can well imagine, that without active preservation efforts, there won't be practically any data left from us in 500 or 1000 eyars11:49
* edheldil stops ranting. Sorry :-)11:51
KrayonWorkI'm SOO depressed now11:52
KrayonWork:P11:52
jacekowskiwe will be extinct like dinosaurs11:54
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DocScrutinizerdefinitely12:05
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DocScrutinizerin 1000 years future generations will still be able to find - and decipher - hieroglyphs of old Egypt, but there'll be left *very* little data from our time. Unless somebody takes care of creating a new backup clone of the whole $RANDOM_ARCHIVE every ~5 years12:07
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DocScrutinizersomewhere in Iceland or some other northern European country (IIRC) there's a project where they store all sorts of data printed on microfiche rolled up and sealed in stainless steel tubes, in a bunker.12:09
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DocScrutinizerthat's supposed to last for at least 1000 years12:10
DocScrutinizerdeciphering/read_out is rather simple and no problem to even reverse-engineer in 2000 or 5000 years, unlike e.g. mp3 or pdf12:12
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DocScrutinizerwhile I had no hope at all to recover the data from a super high quality philips compact cassette I used for storing that data from a ZX81 in 1990 or sth, and that's just 20some years ago. Even worse for same storage media when used with my old NASCOM computer12:15
Vib3edheldil: http://millenniata.com/m-disc/12:16
chem|stSpeedEvil: manual said some between 26-32A on 12V + 5V12:17
DocScrutinizereven if you had done the "right thing" and stored your data to a HDD some few decades ago, you'll hardly find a computer supporting the MFM or RLL interface of this old HDD nowadays12:18
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svuorelahi peoples. slightly offtopic, but, anyone knows if there is a place that sells spare parts (screen) for n900 ?12:21
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DocScrutinizersvuorela: mompls12:21
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900?page=112:21
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/12:22
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.ersatzteil-service-24.de/?url=http://shop.euras.com/detailsseite2.php?redirect=1&pic=Y41070&vgl=1&g7=839472N12:22
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n81-n900-cell-phone-speaker.html12:23
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DocScrutinizerhttp://www.acceport.com/product_info.php?language=en&currency=USD&products_id=183612:24
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svuorelahmm... a screen looks quite expensive as a sparepart.12:24
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chem|stSpeedEvil: ah what you mean is the spinup I guess, those disks took ~22sec to spin up... and the current was nothing near 20A...12:27
svuorela...my current screen seems to have stopped working in my n900. backlight seems to be working, but there is no actual signal to the display showing anything12:27
DocScrutinizersvuorela: yes, the LCD is >>USD50, the digitizer aka resistive touchpanel aka front glass also >>USD3012:28
chem|stSpeedEvil: try to find a specs sheet of the disks I had....12:29
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DocScrutinizersvuorela: that however (blank screen though backlight works) might be related to flexible plastic connector "cable"12:29
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* KrayonWork tip for the day: when your N900 starts doing random keypresses, don't assume it screwed - first confirm your cheap and nasty bluetooth keyboard that's in your bag is actually turned off properly :P12:30
jpinxheh12:30
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: very old SCSI drives (the 8" type with maybe 20MB) well took >200W of power12:31
KrayonWorkI was stressing because I love my lil' N90012:31
svuorelaDocScrutinizer: interesting. is it a thing that can go 'loose' or a thing that can break ?12:31
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DocScrutinizerit usually breaks12:31
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svuorelaand what's the sparepart for that? or is it only available with a display?12:32
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n900-cell-phone-slide-flex-cable-ribbon-with-camera.html12:34
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jpinxsvuorela: http://www.siansmobiles.co.uk12:34
jpinxsvuorela: I just ordered a new lcd for about 450 delivered to Thailand12:35
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jpinxfor about $5012:35
jpinx http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n900-cell-phone-slide-flex-cable-ribbon-with-camera.html12:35
DocScrutinizerownta not exactly most economic seller right ATM12:35
DocScrutinizerbut the first addr to find such things12:36
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DocScrutinizeryou might find cheaper via fleabay12:36
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: I think it was 5 1/4" full size... (or is full size 8"?)12:37
KrayonWorkhttp://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-Camera-Flex-Cable-Flat-Ribbon-NOKIA-N900-/320667231257?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa941a41912:37
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chem|stthe fujitsu 1GB still sell for $8012:37
KrayonWork~$17 - $20 odd on eBay it would seem.12:37
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: @24V often12:40
SpeedEvilusually12:40
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crashanddiesup people12:45
DocScrutinizermoo crashanddie12:45
SpeedEvilSteve Jobs is to be appointed new CEO of Nokia.12:45
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: guess what - it's been the motherboard, not the X300 graphics card :-/12:45
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crashanddiedayum12:46
jpinxSpeedEvil: I wish...  ;)12:47
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: plugged in the HD5450, worked without any driver installation to some extent (guess xserver used VESA fallback), then I changed BIOS settings to full fledged POST and VGA-POST-on-resume, and that killed the mobo12:48
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DocScrutinizerresetting BIOS by removing CR2032 and jumper-dance didn't cure the issue12:49
DocScrutinizerboard not even beeped anymore on POST12:49
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elysion_hi! does anyone know how to mute an incoming call on n900?12:53
elysion_I've been googling for a good while, but cannot find any API for this12:53
psycho_oreosI know how to mute it without using API, you just flip N900 upside down :)12:54
crashanddieFuck me12:54
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crashanddieTouchpad ordered, confirmed, yada yada yada12:54
elysion_psycho_oreos: sadly cannot make the phone flip by using only software :/12:54
psycho_oreoso.O12:54
crashanddieNow I called the shop to see what the status was, and they tell me "we had some yesterday, but they're all gone"12:54
crashanddieso why the fuck would they sell them if I've paid for them. fuckers.12:55
psycho_oreoselysion_, its not a phone, its an internet tablet with phone functionality. There has to be some other ways I think, maybe knownokia.ca blog may have information on it12:56
psycho_oreoslol they're lazy12:56
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psycho_oreoscrashanddie, are they going to refund your money?12:59
crashanddiehah12:59
crashanddiewell12:59
crashanddieof course they are12:59
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psycho_oreosgood at least its not like they'll try and run away denying it all ;)13:00
chem|stelysion_: grep the call when incoming call and flip, and make a script with it...13:00
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crashanddiepsycho_oreos, I paid by credit card, so I can tell my bank to stuff them13:01
chem|st1st is "dbus" call...13:01
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psycho_oreoslol even better13:01
ruskiehttp://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/25/nokia_launches_100_101_cheapest_phones_yet/ <-- hmm might be nice as a backup phone13:01
crashanddiepsycho_oreos, though, I hate what's happening, because when we went in to order at 9.29AM 9the shop opens at 9.30), all the sales guys were gleaming because they'd bought all the tablets in stock before the shop opened13:01
DocScrutinizerelysion_: open ssh via WLAN, call phone, fire " dbus-monitor --system >dbuslog_sys.txt&   dbus-monitor --session >dbuslog_sess.txt&" in ssh, mute phone by flipping it screen down, kill %1 %2 in ssh, stop caling phone, scrutinize the generated logs for the proper dbus-msg to trigger muting13:02
crashanddiewhich I guess, is fair enough. They work there, they deserve to get some benefits13:02
crashanddieBut if they can't put 3 fucking tablets away for people who were obviously as excited as they were13:02
crashanddieIs just stupid13:02
elysion_DocScrutinizer: that is what I have been trying to do13:03
elysion_but haven't had much luck yet13:03
DocScrutinizerhmm13:03
DocScrutinizerthen it's probably sth mce does internally, so nothing shows up on dbus13:04
chem|stcrashanddie: what tablets..13:04
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DocScrutinizer"mission control" comes to mind. Don't ask me why13:04
psycho_oreoscrashanddie, they're probably desperate to either resell it or keep it for themselves. Being a sales staff I suppose with direct access to the store's inventory, its no wonder that it can severely piss customers off when the customers simply couldn't go around and collect it but instead wait in a queue13:04
crashanddieConsidering I spent nearly 4 grand in that store in less than 6 months, I was expecting a bit more respect, frankly.13:05
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crashanddieAnyway13:07
crashanddielunch break13:07
crashanddieGoing to the store now, will see. Also taking a few tyrespikes with in case they behave like dicks.13:07
edheldilyou can't buy Hp TP here at all. $99 is such a nice price :(13:08
psycho_oreosedheldil, did you see that tmo thread in buy & sell?13:09
elysion_have there been any discounts on pre:s?13:10
psycho_oreosI think pre 3 was sold rather cheap in UK only.. as noted in another tmo thread13:12
nid0it hasnt been sold discounted at all here yet13:12
nid0(uk)13:12
psycho_oreospre 3? not the tablet13:13
nid0pre 3. supposedly hp uk will be confirming any major price drop tomorrow13:13
psycho_oreosahh, I saw the thread about it on the little tracker window (shows latest posts on far right side on tmo)13:14
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edheldilpsycho_oreos:  no ... anything interesting in it? From what I have sampled, it's mostly complaints about OnSale13:20
psycho_oreosedheldil, nope, like I said I only saw it from that `ticker' thingy on the right side of the webpage on tmo13:21
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Sicelolol, http://www.expansys.co.za/nokia-soft-cover-for-nokia-n9-black-221140/13:23
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ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/25/windows_8_file_changes/14:50
ruskieAccording to that data, copying, moving, renaming, and deleting files are "far and away the most heavily used features within Windows Explorer" and account for half of all commands. <-- erm... it's a file manager... you know... it's meant to manage files...14:51
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MOUDhey all15:02
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MOUDhow can I install the previous version of Power Kernel(version 47) since the new one (version 48) is not compatible with MobileHotspot?15:04
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MOUDnote: i'm using the default nokia kernel now15:05
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psycho_oreosprevious pk seems to be also available in the repos, maybe the same as in pk48 which is extras-devel15:11
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MOUD1I got dc :S15:14
MOUD1psycho_oreos: extras-devel is unavailable right now, but tks for the info15:15
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psycho_oreosMOUD1, without it, you have to deal with installing 4 packages15:16
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MOUD1I'm trying to find a way to install via apt-get but i cannot select the specific kernel i want, it will install the latest one15:18
psycho_oreosapt-get install kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo4715:19
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MOUD1kernel-power not found15:23
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psycho_oreosyou'll need to enable extras-devel because power47 isn't available elsewhere via apt method15:26
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ohookinsX-Fade: i've heard you are the man to ask about false-positive missing dependencies on maemo.org/packages ?16:48
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crashanddieohookins, try asking him about finding heroin in Amsterdam. Now he's _the_ guy.16:55
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ohookinscrashanddie: surely for that task just about anybody on the street is the guy16:56
crashanddiejust about any guy will get you arrested.16:57
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ohookinswell, at least he should be in the same timezone then16:59
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ohookinsX-Fade: ping18:09
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lcukhey19:27
lcukare there any fractal generators for maemo?19:27
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newbie007Hi, I think there is a problem with youtube-dl,, perhaps youtube has updated. However this script works on my pc (which has been updated recently) the error is...19:29
newbie007ERROR: no fmt_url_map or conn information found in video info19:29
MohammadAGit's cause i haven't updated it19:30
MohammadAGscp the script from your pc to /usr/bin19:31
newbie007do you know if its possible to get hildon desktop working on other distros?19:31
newbie007I'm interesting in getting fedora on the nook color with the hildon-desktop19:31
MohammadAGit is, see cordia and check youtube for hildon desktop on ubuntu19:31
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newbie007thanks, I'll update the file19:31
newbie007it really is superior to android imho19:32
MohammadAGhildon's awesome19:32
MohammadAGon good hardware it's even better19:32
MohammadAGthe N950 with maemo 5 would've been awesome19:33
newbie007what is "cordia"? then next name of maemo?19:33
* newbie007 Cordia is a project to bring Maemo 5’s UI (Hildon Desktop and related components) to the MeeGo distribution.19:34
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javispedroCordia on the N950 is probably doable19:44
javispedrohowever -- no rotation, and no resizing support for vkb19:45
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SpeedEvilhttp://www.theonion.com/video/apple-introduces-revolutionary-new-laptop-with-no,14299/ :)19:56
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ohookinsX-Fade: ping20:54
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Atariihey cehteh, just wanted to say thanks for the pointer the other night about pcap version22:01
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Atariigot the program compiled and working great now22:01
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Atariiis there anyway to temporarily hide the bar in xterm?22:06
villagerAtarii: you mean like tapping the fullscreen button visible in the bar?22:08
Atariilike that but the other way round22:08
Atariihiding the bar with the buttons22:08
villagerhmm, not sure if there's a way without changing the config22:09
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alien_hello, I have 'not enough space' issues with camera-ui whenever I try to take a photo22:18
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alien_there is like 7G free on my user partition22:18
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alien_is there a way to debug this?22:18
villagerAtarii: if you do want to change the config: ~ $ gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar false22:21
villagerAtarii: and of course true to restore it22:21
Atariiooo thanks :)22:21
alien_MohammadAG: are you a camera-ui developer?22:22
Atariivillager that worked great, thanks again22:23
alien_(I use latest OSSO-CSSU since it was released and it used to work until a week ago or so)22:23
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