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| gena2x | hi guys, i hope this is right place to ask questions about n900 :). I just bought one, and want to setup wifi password, it's a 64 characters and seem i can't enter it without mistakes :) so, i push it into file into web. question is - it has no wget, how to paste contents of file from web into clipboard with default installation? | 00:40 |
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| lcuk | gena2x, you are almost mistaken | 00:41 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/view/wget/ | 00:41 |
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| lcuk | is available from extras | 00:42 |
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| lcuk | and if you can open the file in web browser | 00:42 |
| lcuk | there is a gesture which allows copy and paste | 00:42 |
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| gena2x | gesture? | 00:43 |
| ShadowJK | Top copy from browser, swipe left to right, starting from outside of screen, a pointer icon appears, tap the pointer icon (so that it has red line across it), now you have a mousepointer to paint text with. ctrl-c or titlebarmenu->copy. | 00:43 |
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| gena2x | ty, i'll try it now | 00:43 |
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| gena2x | cut&paste is ok | 00:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | I want to try BGA rework. | 02:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/08/05/2111243/What-Todays-Coders-Dont-Know-and-Why-It-Matters | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | ++ | 02:47 |
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| javispedro | I completely disagree with "One 'lost skill' that I see all the time with new developers -- how to debug without an integrated debugger." | 02:50 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 02:51 |
| javispedro | specially since I've personally had to teach gdb to freshmans, and the hardest opinion to fight was "but I have those printfs here, and they do wonders. what can really gdb do for me?" | 02:51 |
| ShadowJK | A lot of people don't even know printf debugging | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | The fundamental problem I'd cite is 'code reuse'. | 02:53 |
| kerio | javispedro: hahaha | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | People reuse code too much. | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Instead of writing 20 lines of C/..., they will drag in a library that drags in four others. | 02:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | And requires two daemons. | 02:54 |
| javispedro | you're talking about Java I bet :) | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Not only. | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Any language that supports include/import/... | 02:56 |
| javispedro | but a "library" that drags 50 MiB of crap, four other libraries, and requires two daemons is exactly the definition of Java :) | 02:57 |
| jacekowski | just two daemons? | 02:57 |
| jacekowski | that's not java | 02:57 |
| jacekowski | sounds more like .net | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: libboost ;-D | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | for strcmp | 02:58 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I've seen something better. libboost for atoi (lexical_cast) | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | OUCH!!! | 02:58 |
| javispedro | then again, I blame the C++ comitee for making the officialy sanctioned way (istringstream?) such a pain. | 02:59 |
| ShadowJK | There's one thing worse than the above | 03:01 |
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| ShadowJK | Writing a new library for strcmp ;-) | 03:02 |
| ShadowJK | s/library/framework/ | 03:02 |
| infobot | ShadowJK meant: Writing a new framework for strcmp ;-) | 03:02 |
| ShadowJK | :D | 03:02 |
| jacekowski | libboost isn't a bad thing | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed we are all paying for the general developer's stupidity and laziness - I bet a winXP written completely in assembler would run like hell on a 50MHz CPU with 16MB of RAM | 03:02 |
| jacekowski | it's bit oversized | 03:02 |
| jacekowski | but java is even bigger | 03:02 |
| gena2x | just do not pay for winXP | 03:03 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i very much doubt that | 03:03 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: most of memory is used for nice resources and graphics | 03:03 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, there's also the problem that Nokia encountered with Symbian. Once you have too much asm, nobody has a clue how anything fits together anymore | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you don't need 99.5% of those resources and graphics, at least not in RAM all them time | 03:04 |
| jacekowski | you do need lot of them | 03:04 |
| jacekowski | all nice windows frames and stuff takes like 10-15M | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sure, I know the reasons why large projects aren't written in assembler | 03:05 |
| jacekowski | + wallpaper that's uncompressed in ram | 03:05 |
| jacekowski | every single window is taking quite big chunk of memory | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nonsense, you actually don't *need* more GFX data in your RAM than fits in framebuffer | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe twice that amount | 03:06 |
| jacekowski | so you have two fullscreen windows | 03:06 |
| jacekowski | you need space for both of them in ram | 03:06 |
| jacekowski | or you ask your app to redraw it | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I only ever have ONE fullscreen window | 03:06 |
| jacekowski | and use more cpu | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 03:07 |
| jacekowski | i have 4 | 03:07 |
| jacekowski | currently | 03:07 |
| jacekowski | opera, clementine, putty, tcmd | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, quad head system? | 03:07 |
| jacekowski | no | 03:07 |
| jacekowski | rest of them is in background | 03:07 |
| jacekowski | but system still stores them | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | see?! | 03:07 |
| jacekowski | because redrawing is handled by os | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | see?! | 03:08 |
| jacekowski | same thing if you drag windows | 03:08 |
| javispedro | back in the days when the os fitted in 4MiB, asking the applications to redraw was the favoured option | 03:08 |
| jacekowski | and some parts are hidden | 03:08 |
| jacekowski | asking apps to redraw looks ugly when you drag windows | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you need >>maybe twice that amount<< | 03:08 |
| jacekowski | you need as many times more as many apps you have if these windows are fullscreen type | 03:09 |
| jacekowski | and proportionally less if windows are smaller | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | nonsense | 03:09 |
| gena2x | gfx data in video memory guys | 03:09 |
| jacekowski | gena2x: nope | 03:09 |
| jacekowski | gena2x: video memory isn't used for that | 03:10 |
| jacekowski | gena2x: well, it's used now in vista and w7 | 03:10 |
| jacekowski | gena2x: because it's using hardware rendering and T&L units | 03:10 |
| jacekowski | but windows xp is using 2d graphics for it | 03:11 |
| gena2x | i am not expert but 2d is hw accelerated too... | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | not my assembler rewrite ;-P | 03:11 |
| jacekowski | gena2x: it's not for last 15 years | 03:11 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: note that winxp being the really old os it is does not store windows in memory when overlapped (unless requested!) and thus requests redraws | 03:11 |
| javispedro | you can easily check this by writing the hello-world style app that prints sth to console when getting a WM_PAINT | 03:12 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: windows are stored | 03:12 |
| gena2x | i can't :( i have no windows... | 03:12 |
| jacekowski | regions are invalidated | 03:12 |
| jacekowski | and app then redraws them | 03:12 |
| javispedro | which happens when you overlap the window with sth else. | 03:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels like a troll | 03:13 | |
| jacekowski | but whole things work in a way that stores that into dedicated place in memory | 03:13 |
| javispedro | it still works like win3.x did. | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Wasn't that ue to a patent? | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | (not using backing store) | 03:13 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: maybe, never heard about it though. | 03:14 |
| jiero | I want Pyweek Games... and new pyweek event is coming. | 03:14 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: redrawing is way overcomplicated | 03:14 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: and it's not just simple redrawing every time | 03:14 |
| javispedro | no, it's not. | 03:14 |
| javispedro | for example, when the overlapping window is a menu, it does temporarily create a backing store for what is going to be overwritten. | 03:15 |
| gena2x | paint region is something different i think, than drawing desktop background or animated icons stuff | 03:15 |
| jacekowski | exactly | 03:15 |
| javispedro | for performance reasons, because it was assumed that menus were usually popped and hidden quickly. | 03:15 |
| javispedro | and also because the area behind a menu window is small enough to fit in the 4MiB computer the designers had in mind. | 03:15 |
| jacekowski | MFC and WTF create backing stores as well | 03:16 |
| jacekowski | which then are used to redraw | 03:16 |
| javispedro | individual windows are free to request them | 03:16 |
| jacekowski | .net works in some strange way | 03:16 |
| javispedro | same on X11 | 03:16 |
| jacekowski | but anyways, thing is it's not so easy to fit system in small amount of memory and have it look nice and perform fast and perform lot of functions | 03:17 |
| jacekowski | win32 api is much bigger than old dos or bios api | 03:18 |
| javispedro | I do agree :) | 03:18 |
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| jacekowski | but you don't have to worry about 10 different sound cards | 03:18 |
| jacekowski | you get standard interface for all of them | 03:18 |
| jacekowski | and same with graphic cards | 03:18 |
| jacekowski | VESA was first attempt to get standarised | 03:19 |
| jacekowski | miserably failed because it wasn't very compatible between implementations | 03:19 |
| jacekowski | and x86 PC are overcomplicated | 03:20 |
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| jiero | Anyway to let the N900 use OpenGL? | 03:21 |
| javispedro | ? | 03:22 |
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| javispedro | ah, you mean OpenGL vs OpenGL ES | 03:22 |
| javispedro | then the answer is no, the N900 only does OpenGL ES. | 03:22 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: this one sgx corruption puts yours to shame: http://twitpic.com/5rrtps :D | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | WOW nice ;-P | 03:25 |
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| Hurrian | javispedro, doesnt OpenGL 2 ES include OpenGL 1 and some parts of OpenGL 2? | 03:30 |
| jiero | Hurrian: still different. | 03:30 |
| javispedro | Hurrian: http://wiki.maemo.org/images/thumb/c/cc/Opengl.svg/654px-Opengl.svg.png | 03:31 |
| jiero | javispedro: do you have time to port the svg-edit? | 03:32 |
| jiero | http://code.google.com/p/svg-edit/ | 03:33 |
| jiero | I mean just change the layout to fit N900. | 03:33 |
| javispedro | "SVG-edit is a fast, web-based, Javascript-driven SVG editor that works in any modern browser" | 03:33 |
| javispedro | aa | 03:33 |
| javispedro | well, no way. | 03:33 |
| javispedro | html is far from my area of experience.. | 03:33 |
| javispedro | specially newfangled apps. | 03:33 |
| jiero | its pure CSS defined. | 03:34 |
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| Termana | good morning | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Morning | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | morning | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody joining CCC2011? | 04:57 |
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| * SpeedEvil would love to. | 04:58 | |
| SpeedEvil | But no. | 04:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Going to sleep - or trying to. | 04:58 |
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| jiero | Anybody here familiar with CSS and could devote time to a small request? | 05:04 |
| jiero | I request: svg-edit - web-based SVG editor to have a suitable layout fit in the N900. | 05:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>In the beginning, the Universe was created. This was widely seen as a step of limited sustainability in its current implementation and thus, space hackers on board of the spaceship Heart of Gold began with the creation of a parallel universe, the hacker space....<< | 05:36 |
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| Juozapas | is there anyway to watch vimeo videos on maemo? | 06:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | They're flash? | 06:11 |
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| fusi | loool " bugzilla quips | 06:42 |
| fusi | "C++ (n.) an octopus made by nailing extra legs onto a dog" | 06:42 |
| fusi | lol Doc, wtf :) | 06:43 |
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| fusi | Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a violent psychopath who knows where you live. -- John F. Woods | 06:57 |
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| fusi | haha | 06:57 |
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| fusi | Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. | 07:07 |
| fusi | hehe | 07:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | https://events.ccc.de/camp/2011/wiki/Project_Flow_Control | 07:09 |
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| fusi | if anyone is bothered ive got a version of that twitter plugin here that works with supertweet | 07:11 |
| fusi | if they dont wanna wait for he full oauth version | 07:11 |
| fusi | which will be next week sometime i think as i have to go to milton keynes tomorrow for a bit :/ | 07:11 |
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| voltagex | I still can't get MfE working on my N900 - I get "Error in Communication with Exchange" | 08:36 |
| voltagex | server is of course m.google.com | 08:36 |
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| fusi | google does exchange? | 08:39 |
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| fusi | thought it only did imap etc | 08:40 |
| voltagex | fusi: yes, it's how Windows Phone 7 and Symbian phones do Gmail properly. | 08:41 |
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| fusi | oooh | 08:43 |
| voltagex | fusi: just got it, rebooted phone and tried again\ | 08:43 |
| fusi | ah gratz | 08:43 |
| voltagex | newly flashed N900 + kernel-power + CSSU + fapman + google, very nice. | 08:44 |
| fusi | :) | 08:45 |
| fusi | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1065000&postcount=166 | 08:45 |
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| fusi | theres a working twitter plugin | 08:45 |
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| voltagex | still can't find a replacement keyboard :S | 08:50 |
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| fusi | get a 3d printer to make u 1 | 08:50 |
| voltagex | :/ | 08:51 |
| fusi | might cost a bit tho | 08:51 |
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| voltagex | insane that I can't get a replacement | 08:51 |
| fusi | checked ebay et al? | 08:51 |
| voltagex | yep, bought 2, both 1mm too big | 08:51 |
| fusi | btw do u know if starting a charge invalidates vdq? | 08:52 |
| fusi | cant trim them? | 08:52 |
| voltagex | VDQ? | 08:53 |
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| fusi | its a value the bq chip sets when a full charge is detected | 08:59 |
| fusi | its used to learn battery capacity | 08:59 |
| fusi | afaik | 08:59 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | hmm | 09:01 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | was going to copy a directory from a remote machine, but for some reason I get bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' | 09:01 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | The directory name contains a "(" (and also a ")"), i guess that's the problem. But the fact that it failed - is it my fault or a bug within scp? | 09:02 |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | I can just rename it, but i wonder if that error is a bug within scp (so I can send in a bug report then) | 09:03 |
| fusi | how r u specifying the filename | 09:07 |
| fusi | i think you need to escape such chars | 09:07 |
| fusi | just a thought, im just a noob | 09:07 |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | I'm indeed escaping them | 09:08 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | i did: scp -r fiq@(censored):/home/fiq/Rollspelet\(2\)/Rollspelet ~/testmappen | 09:10 |
| fusi | tried double escaping? | 09:11 |
| fusi | \\( | 09:11 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | Nah, but i guess that would work | 09:12 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | just renamed the directory... less problems then | 09:12 |
| fusi | :) | 09:12 |
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| ruskie | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/VisionMobile-Open-Governance-Index/ | 09:43 |
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| gena2x | one more noob question about setting up usb network. i connected n900 beast to usb, run ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.2 up on it, run isconfig 192.168.1.1 up on host, checked routes (exist), tried to ping - doesn't work. pinging from both sides has TX count of > 0 and RX of 0. what's going wrong? | 10:46 |
| gena2x | on host, cdc_ether and usbnet are loaded | 10:48 |
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| gena2x | ah no tx and rx on device are 0 | 10:54 |
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| robbiethe1st | gena2x: http://pastebin.com/BbLTP1tn | 10:57 |
| robbiethe1st | That's my host computer's /etc/network/interfaces chunk for USBnet | 10:57 |
| robbiethe1st | It seems to work for pinging and ssh; haven't messed with internet over it | 10:58 |
| gena2x | only diff is using 2.x network and firewall config | 11:01 |
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| robbiethe1st | Make sure you're in PC Suite mode on the device | 11:01 |
| gena2x | yes i am | 11:02 |
| gena2x | and storage mode works ok | 11:02 |
| gena2x | i have no firewall on host at all | 11:02 |
| gena2x | so everything should be allowed | 11:02 |
| gena2x | and for freerunner usb network works well | 11:02 |
| robbiethe1st | On device, in /etc/network/interfaces, you've got the same basic inet static,? | 11:03 |
| gena2x | i config it manually from command line | 11:03 |
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| robbiethe1st | Just put it in that file | 11:03 |
| gena2x | via ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.2 up | 11:03 |
| Macer | hate rrain | 11:03 |
| robbiethe1st | http://pastebin.com/Ww3p9dMc | 11:04 |
| robbiethe1st | put that in your device's /etc/network/interfaces file, then try reconnecting | 11:05 |
| robbiethe1st | It's worth a shot | 11:05 |
| gena2x | 2.x network is wifi here :( | 11:05 |
| gena2x | and it should work without gateway | 11:06 |
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| gena2x | damn... why in hell nothing works out of box on n900 too? | 11:06 |
| robbiethe1st | Like USB networking? It's cause you're running Linux | 11:06 |
| robbiethe1st | the PS Suite Windows app does some of that automatically... | 11:07 |
| robbiethe1st | it certainly allows for some internet connection sharing. | 11:07 |
| gena2x | 'sharing' one iptables line | 11:07 |
| gena2x | so it's not a problem | 11:07 |
| robbiethe1st | All I can say is... I don't know. It works for me | 11:08 |
| gena2x | you lucky... | 11:08 |
| robbiethe1st | I followed some set of instructions, and it worked right. | 11:08 |
| gena2x | thanks for suggestions anyway | 11:08 |
| robbiethe1st | NP | 11:11 |
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| Sicelo | gena2x: wiki has correct ino on usb network. basically n900 has static ip of 192.168.2.15, and next higher ip is for pc side | 11:38 |
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| Sicelo | has worked without any issues for me. | 11:40 |
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| Sicelo | sorry, pc side is 192.168.2.14 | 11:43 |
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| Sicelo | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 11:46 |
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| MohammadAG | achipa, ping | 12:30 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: pong | 12:31 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, we're upgrading Qt to 4.7.4 in the CSSU | 12:31 |
| MohammadAG | with more testing this time | 12:32 |
| MohammadAG | Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40700) with this library (version 0x40704) | 12:32 |
| MohammadAG | should we also send recompiled versions of libqtm-*? | 12:32 |
| ZogG | hey | 12:34 |
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| ZogG | sup | 12:34 |
| achipa | yeah | 12:35 |
| achipa | though there are pitfalls thre | 12:35 |
| achipa | there | 12:35 |
| achipa | that's why I didn't do much with it... | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, which are? | 12:35 |
| achipa | for example if you go to 1.2, you will break all 1.1 apps that use Map* elements | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG | no no no | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG | I don't want to upgrade libqtm- packages to 1.2 | 12:36 |
| achipa | ah, you want to keep the 1.0.2 ? | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, just recompiling them against 4.7.4 | 12:36 |
| achipa | that should work... in theory at least ;) | 12:36 |
| achipa | don't think anyone tested that combo | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG | shouldn't they be compatible though? | 12:36 |
| achipa | "in theory" | 12:37 |
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| achipa | multimediakit is the most 'sensitive' in that regard, the rest should be ok | 12:38 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 12:38 |
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| Hurrian | MohammadAG, still here? | 12:39 |
| Hurrian | the last Qt update didnt go so smoothly though... | 12:39 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, can you give suggestions in one area though | 12:39 |
| achipa | shoot | 12:39 |
| MohammadAG | not all CSSU users have all libqtm packages installed | 12:40 |
| achipa | rright | 12:40 |
| MohammadAG | but those that do have to install the recompiled version | 12:40 |
| jiero | N9 priced around 550 euro. | 12:40 |
| jiero | news from China. | 12:40 |
| MohammadAG | is there a way to tell apt to upgrade if already installed? | 12:40 |
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| achipa | probably not | 12:41 |
| Hurrian | jiero, how many GB? | 12:41 |
| achipa | HAM is a pain in the butt | 12:41 |
| Hurrian | achipa, HAM is slow and should be replaced asap | 12:42 |
| jiero | Hurrian: 16GB | 12:42 |
| Hurrian | owch | 12:42 |
| Hurrian | what the... | 12:42 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, this one will | 12:42 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, so any suggestions? or should I just have a preinst window saying "you should install the recompiled versions" | 12:42 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG, you fixed Qt 4.7.4? | 12:43 |
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| achipa | MohammadAG: can't you make the pr-whatever-cssu package depend on it ? will it not pull all those in ? | 12:44 |
| MohammadAG | freemangordon did | 12:44 |
| Venemo | good morning | 12:44 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, that'd install libqtm for those who don't need it | 12:45 |
| Hurrian | that or throw an 'if package x then apt-get install package x' | 12:45 |
| achipa | (the root problem being that you don't want to end up with different versions of different modules) | 12:45 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: do we care ? they are small, optified, and people will need it more and more | 12:45 |
| Venemo | achipa, can I have a question for you? | 12:46 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, apt can't nest itself | 12:46 |
| MohammadAG | so you can't run apt from postinst | 12:46 |
| MohammadAG | you can, but you may not ask it :P | 12:46 |
| Hurrian | D: | 12:46 |
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| achipa | Hurrian: if you want to apt-get within an install scrpit, it means your dependencies are wrong ;) | 12:46 |
| Hurrian | heh | 12:47 |
| achipa | Venemo: shoot | 12:47 |
| Hurrian | b-b-but it's a conditional statement! | 12:47 |
| Venemo | achipa, I have a QML model-view setup for displaying my IRC channel list and it works. however, in the delegate when the user clicks on a channel name, I want the app to switch to a different channel. for this, I would need to call a method of the model, but unfortunately I can't seem to do that. | 12:48 |
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| achipa | emit signal ? | 12:48 |
| Venemo | I can't listen to the model's signals either | 12:49 |
| Venemo | I tried QML Connections element, it says no such signal | 12:49 |
| achipa | you mean view's signals ? | 12:49 |
| Venemo | seems that nothing else is avalilable from the model, only the stuff I set as "roles" | 12:49 |
| Venemo | I mean the model's signals. | 12:49 |
| achipa | you mean delegate's signals ? | 12:50 |
| achipa | ( :) ) | 12:50 |
| Venemo | no, I mean, the _model_'s signals | 12:50 |
| achipa | yes, yes, kidding | 12:50 |
| Venemo | I have a class called ChannelModel, which has a signal: void receiveMessage(const QMessageModel &message) | 12:50 |
| Venemo | and I have a ListModel filled with these. | 12:51 |
| achipa | signals named "receive..." are just wrong | 12:51 |
| Venemo | in fact, it's called messageReceived | 12:51 |
| Venemo | I was just typoing. | 12:51 |
| Venemo | but don't try to change the subject :P | 12:51 |
| achipa | that's a different thing ;) | 12:51 |
| MohammadAG | onReceivedMessaged | 12:51 |
| MohammadAG | oh, signals, nvm | 12:52 |
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| achipa | but anyway, doesn't ring a bell, and can't really check (not at a dev-capable comp) | 12:53 |
| achipa | Venemo: I'd poke people at qt-qml | 12:53 |
| MohammadAG | too, many, qt-, channels | 12:54 |
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| Venemo | achipa, well, I found a workaround: I added Q_INVOKABLE (new q* spell) method to my ListModel subclass | 12:55 |
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| Venemo | achipa, oh, by the way... why are the examples telling me that I need to subclass QAbstractWhateverModel every time I need it for something? | 12:56 |
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| RST38h | Hmm... US down to AA+ | 13:18 |
| robbiethe1st | Only? | 13:19 |
| RST38h | give it time. | 13:19 |
| robbiethe1st | I'd have expected it'd be a B or D by now | 13:19 |
| jiero | anybody familiar with CSS can help to tweak the svg-edit ui ? let it fit N900? | 13:19 |
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| hiemanshu | gah, my N900 wont switch with a USB connected, no matter how much battery it has | 13:21 |
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| jiero | hiemanshu: same problem here. a solution is open the lens, and press shutter... | 13:28 |
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| hiemanshu | jiero: ok, thats an odd workaround, but what ever works :) | 13:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | your N900 actually bots to runlevel $CHARGING whenever connected to USB, if it "doesn't switch on" then there's a probelm with kernel and/or initsystem | 13:40 |
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| casketizer | is there any windows tool to unpack debs ? | 13:52 |
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| Hurrian | casketizer, 7-zip | 13:52 |
| casketizer | thx | 13:52 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, namely, /sbin/preinit | 13:53 |
| Hurrian | do note multiboot alters it tho | 13:53 |
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| Hurrian | prolly a large cause of bootlooping | 13:56 |
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| casketizer | fuckin docpurge | 14:00 |
| casketizer | is it safe to delete that scourge? | 14:00 |
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| TimmyT | is package build-essentio | 14:49 |
| TimmyT | err | 14:49 |
| TimmyT | is package build-essential available in official repositories? | 14:50 |
| TimmyT | im going to install but it says its not available | 14:50 |
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| neal | On my n900, I have git 1.6.5.7-3. Anyone know if someone has ported 1.7? | 14:51 |
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| * GAN900 stabs things. | 15:05 | |
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| Termana | GAN900, nah, nah, nah. Stabbing things is for #meego , you had the right channel. | 15:08 |
| Termana | :p | 15:08 |
| RST38h | sorry folks, please confirm that n950 has no sdcard slot? | 15:09 |
| Mek | confirmed | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | second time you ask this today | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 15:09 |
| RST38h | yes, but I have notgot the answer and went on to do other things | 15:10 |
| RST38h | sorry and thanks | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | no SD slot | 15:10 |
| robbiethe1st | wow | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | if you want, you can have my dremel and try to make one | 15:10 |
| robbiethe1st | Talk about going down hill fast | 15:10 |
| robbiethe1st | Hey, I did that on my N770 <_< | 15:11 |
| robbiethe1st | Still works too... | 15:11 |
| Termana | lollercoaster coming down the tracks | 15:11 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Nah, I am tired of dremelling today... | 15:12 |
| Termana | You didn't just stick SD cards in it either did you?... | 15:12 |
| Termana | You stuck SDHC cards in it, dirty boy! | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | you can also send your N950s to your local abill_uk | 15:12 |
| robbiethe1st | Yup | 15:12 |
| robbiethe1st | 8GB SDHC card(with the casing removed) jammed in there and 6 wires soldered up | 15:13 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, my local abill_uk? Gee, I was hoping there was only one of them and they were located far far away. Now your telling me I have a local one? | 15:13 |
| Termana | Why do you have to make life so difficult? :p | 15:13 |
| robbiethe1st | ^^ | 15:13 |
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| MohammadAG | Termana, yes, we're trying to get one in every country | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | at least one | 15:14 |
| robbiethe1st | I just hope abill_us will be as far as possible from me | 15:15 |
| robbiethe1st | same with abill_can | 15:16 |
| Termana | robbiethe1st, I have no doubt abill_us would be from Texas | 15:16 |
| robbiethe1st | Oh. Good. | 15:16 |
| Termana | lol just kidding Texans :p | 15:16 |
| Termana | (never know who you might offend with jokes around here) | 15:16 |
| robbiethe1st | But isn't it true? :P | 15:17 |
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| Termana | :p | 15:17 |
| MohammadAG | robbiethe1st, we have 50 abill_us-s, one in each state | 15:18 |
| robbiethe1st | Oh no! | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG | Extra taxes may apply for an abill_can though | 15:18 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, how many do you have in Australia? | 15:18 |
| Termana | (hint, this is a trick question) | 15:19 |
| robbiethe1st | All but one? | 15:19 |
| robbiethe1st | (I know one guy in Australia who's not, so...) | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | one in every kangaroo's pouch Termana | 15:20 |
| Termana | robbiethe1st, I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE. | 15:20 |
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| robbiethe1st | No, that's "I C WUT U DID THER" | 15:20 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, I was kind of hoping you would look up Australian "states" and declare that we have 6 abill_aus' | 15:20 |
| Termana | Then I would have told you that I would go to one of the two territories | 15:21 |
| Termana | robbiethe1st, we have a bogan infestation down here, but I'm not sure which is worse. abill_aus or the bogans | 15:22 |
| robbiethe1st | That's a trick question, isn't it? | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG | what if we equalize the number of abill_aus and bogans? | 15:22 |
| robbiethe1st | They'd cancel each other out? | 15:22 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, how about you just stick em all in New Zealand | 15:23 |
| Termana | Then they can all share their sheep | 15:23 |
| Termana | err... I mean... shear! | 15:23 |
| * Termana eye rolls | 15:23 | |
| MohammadAG | we have abill_nz there | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | the only problem is abill_il | 15:23 |
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| MohammadAG | we haven't decided whether to send that to Illinouis or Israel | 15:24 |
| Termana | heh :p | 15:24 |
| TimmyT | i want to compile and install something, when i enter ./configure it says: sh: ./configure: Permission denied | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | chmod +x configure | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | lemme guess, it was in a zip? | 15:25 |
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| TimmyT | heh, wat a silly question i asked | 15:25 |
| ShadowJK | if it's on MyDocs it wont work | 15:25 |
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| TimmyT | no it was on /root | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | that too | 15:26 |
| FIQ|n900 | abill_what? | 15:26 |
| TimmyT | its working now, tnx muhammad | 15:26 |
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| FIQ|n900 | what do you use for midi playback on N900? | 15:39 |
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| robbiethe1st | wildmidi | 15:41 |
| robbiethe1st | It's... decent | 15:41 |
| FIQ|n900 | ok | 15:42 |
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| ruskie | http://www.raspberrypi.org/?page_id=2 <-- hmm | 16:14 |
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| * ShadowJK benchmarks one of his USB keys to 20Megabyte/s write speed, 15 kilobyte/s random write speed | 16:14 | |
| ShadowJK | block size appears to be 2M | 16:15 |
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| casketizer | does QT sdk 1.1.2 still support maemo and come with madde ? | 16:24 |
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| ysss | |-))))))))) | 16:46 |
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| fusi | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1065000&postcount=166 | 16:53 |
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| fusi | guess noone give a flying shit | 17:05 |
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| GAN900 | Guys with male pattern baldness SHOULD NOT start sex change hormone therapy. . . . | 17:08 |
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| Wizzup | Has anyone tried ssh'ing to his phone when on the mobile hotspot (of his own phone) | 17:11 |
| Wizzup | It just always denies my password | 17:11 |
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| casketizer | fusi, thx....but what do i respond at supertweets register ann app questions? | 17:18 |
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| fusi | er | 17:21 |
| fusi | what do you mean? | 17:22 |
| fusi | you just to ccreate a supertweet account | 17:22 |
| fusi | and allow the MyAuthProxy app to acccess ur account | 17:22 |
| fusi | u thden setup a user/password for supertweet | 17:22 |
| fusi | its that user/name u put into the plugin | 17:23 |
| casketizer | i got a questionaire what app o want to register | 17:23 |
| casketizer | o=i | 17:23 |
| fusi | can u screenshot it? | 17:23 |
| casketizer | not anymore | 17:23 |
| casketizer | i just answered N900 plugin | 17:24 |
| casketizer | and wrote nonein all other fields but email | 17:24 |
| casketizer | and wrote none in all other fields but email | 17:24 |
| casketizer | seems to have worked | 17:25 |
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| casketizer | is Secret=password? | 17:25 |
| casketizer | it says secret not set after email verification | 17:26 |
| fusi | www.supertweet.net | 17:26 |
| fusi | if u click that link and click login | 17:27 |
| fusi | where does it take you? | 17:27 |
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| casketizer | i clicked on the register login | 17:27 |
| casketizer | i clicked on the register link | 17:27 |
| casketizer | damn :) | 17:27 |
| casketizer | it took me to twitter authorization | 17:28 |
| fusi | u should get a big msg saying "Authorize MyAuthAPIProxy to use your account?" | 17:28 |
| casketizer | yea | 17:28 |
| fusi | auth it | 17:28 |
| casketizer | after that i got register new app questionaire | 17:28 |
| fusi | then setup a password on the next page | 17:28 |
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| casketizer | after i filles questionaire i got email | 17:29 |
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| casketizer | after i clicked link in email i could activate and set secret, which is the password | 17:29 |
| casketizer | ytf they make shit so confusing | 17:30 |
| fusi | aha | 17:31 |
| fusi | was just taking a screenshot | 17:32 |
| fusi | but if ur there now :) | 17:32 |
| casketizer | i was just confused by all the questions about an app | 17:32 |
| fusi | i dont remember doing that myself.. | 17:33 |
| Juozapas | how to know when fsck finished a job? | 17:34 |
| Juozapas | ah, it's still working | 17:34 |
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| fusi | working for you casketizer ? | 17:43 |
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| MohammadAG | Juozapas, just don't ctrl+c it | 17:49 |
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| Juozapas | transmission always stop responding and then crash the file system.. any solutions? | 18:18 |
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| casketizer | juo download to sd card makes it better but not perfect | 18:33 |
| casketizer | Juozapas* | 18:33 |
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| Juozapas | casketizer: maybe it's better if you use ext3 file system? | 18:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: please refer to http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_LED and that other pattern page, I updated some relevant point there | 20:06 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 20:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | @Nokia (whoever you are ;-D) you maybe also may want to have a peek | 20:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | huh. using the n900 to tether using PAN is in fact working so well I have to watch out not to overdraft my traffic allowance. Been only using it for 2-3 days and I've already used up 700mb of the 2000 I have ^^ | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: not much I could recommend, except maybe the data traffic volume warning function | 20:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I've set it to a relatively low volume threshold right now, like 10MB or sth, So I get a notice for every chunk eaten from my 500 volume | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (not tethering, so 500 usually fine here) | 20:43 |
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| kerio | i have 50mb/day | 20:47 |
| kerio | :| | 20:47 |
| hiemanshu | I have 6G a month, and when that is used, I pay $2 more for another 6G | 20:48 |
| Shapeshifter | well mine just gets throttled after 2G but is unlimited in general. | 20:48 |
| Shapeshifter | I just need to get a fix line internet connection that's all. | 20:48 |
| hiemanshu | Shapeshifter: drops from 3G to EDGE? | 20:49 |
| amti | wtf? throttling sucks. :( | 20:50 |
| amti | do you have also throttlet internet connections at home? | 20:51 |
| ShadowJK | My operator's TOS says I could be deprioritized for using "too much". I don't know what "too much" is. I used 20 gigs a month for half a year, and didn't experience any "depioritization" :P | 20:51 |
| amti | 20 gigs per month is nothing... | 20:52 |
| amti | if you just watch few movies from hululu/alike you'll easily go over that. | 20:52 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah iirc it was just gpodder set to download a fairly active youtube channel :) | 20:52 |
| hiemanshu | ShadowJK: most ISPs here give you unlimited day, which is throttled after a certain limit | 20:52 |
| hiemanshu | I have an old plan, so I get unthrottled data, and my ISP calls me up is my monthly usage is below 150G | 20:53 |
| kerio | wait, 20gb/month on your landline? | 20:53 |
| kerio | holy shit, sometimes i use more than 20gb in a day | 20:53 |
| amti | kerio, what that does in a month? 600GB? | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | c'mon limits on DSL are insane, nobody does that here | 20:54 |
| amti | DocScrutinizer, where, may I ask? | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | OTOH you can't get truely unlimited 3G data here | 20:55 |
| amti | I've got unlimited 10/10 landline. | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway we're not discussing DSL, are we? | 20:56 |
| amti | I guess not. | 20:57 |
| kerio | amti: :3 | 20:57 |
| amti | In here, they're selling unlimited 3g-dataplans as replacement to landlines... | 20:57 |
| kerio | iirc i downloaded the whole MAME rom+chdset in like three days | 20:57 |
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| amti | :D | 20:58 |
| amti | if I may say, I play with virtualization and my monthly data usage is over 1TB easily. | 20:58 |
| kerio | that's 265,27gb | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | amti: over 3G? | 20:58 |
| amti | DocScrutinizer, no. over my landline. my 3G is capped at 2MBps since it's really old plan. | 20:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so what? Nobody cares about landline data volumes | 20:59 |
| amti | I guess we're all just chatting for fun - what's your excuse? | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm pissed about 3G data volume limit, esp since my 3G is potetially faster than my DSL | 21:00 |
| amti | so you have sucky DSL. What do you do with your 3G that you need speed? | 21:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | hiemanshu: not sure, I assume they can throttle it on their end. | 21:14 |
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| hiemanshu | ah ok | 21:14 |
| Shapeshifter | amti: nah at home I've got 25mbit and it's never throttled | 21:14 |
| amti | Ofc someone has faster, that's old news. | 21:15 |
| hiemanshu | I have 2Mbit :/ | 21:16 |
| amti | what do you use it for? | 21:17 |
| amti | I'd rip my pants off if I'd have 2Mbitps or only 3G :D | 21:17 |
| Shapeshifter | but my deal is goin well. Adding up to the whole year I pay 289chf, which includes internet, any sms and free calls within the network plus a Nexus S. I'm currentlx selling it on ebay and it's at 215chf, expecting to get around 250. | 21:18 |
| Shapeshifter | so a year worth of mobile surfing etc for around 35 euros isn't bad :) | 21:18 |
| amti | well it's not bad if you don' | 21:18 |
| amti | if you don't need that smartphone. | 21:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | I have an n900 after all. actually I've got a spare one as well | 21:19 |
| amti | I'm paying 10 euros per month for 2Mbitps 3G and that doesn't include any thing else than 20 free sms's via ISP's website. | 21:20 |
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| amti | so all the sms and calls are extra to that... not that I'd call much. | 21:20 |
| Shapeshifter | mhhm | 21:20 |
| Shapeshifter | it's too bad that landline internet is so expensive. 25mbit is around 45 euros | 21:21 |
| Shapeshifter | 5mbit for around 27 | 21:21 |
| Shapeshifter | 50 for 55 euros | 21:21 |
| Shapeshifter | they'll add tv and a phone for just 10 more but I never use that stuff | 21:22 |
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| hiemanshu | amti: the max I can get here for a decent price is that | 21:24 |
| hiemanshu | amti: sucks being in India, but everything else is shit cheap though, so it makes up for it | 21:24 |
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| sevard | I'm looking for an extremly cheap nokia phone with gps (not a-gps) does anyone know what the bottom barrel nokia phone is with a real gps chip? | 22:06 |
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| valdyn_ | sevard: The prerequisite for a-gps is a gps reciever anyway | 22:43 |
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| cehteh | agps makes receivers cheaper ... so you wont find a non agps cheap phone | 22:47 |
| cehteh | less receiver channels, less quality amplifiers, smaller antenna | 22:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Faster lock, better urban canyon performance | 22:49 |
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