IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-07-24

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nicofsi want to start synaptic in easy debian - and am asked to enter the password. i never set any... what do i do...02:29
Hurrianterminal02:29
Hurriansu02:29
Hurrianor sudo synaptic02:29
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nicofsok... but still i'd like to know the pw of my own system...02:30
SpeedEvilOr vi /etc/passwd - and reset it to null02:33
nicofsin easydeb or maemo?02:37
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: resetting to null in /etc/passwd doesn't exactly work02:38
DocScrutinizeryou however can edit the hash to match a known password, probably most easily by copying the hash from an account with known password02:39
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nicofsto be honest, i don't know any password... neither maemo nor easydeb...02:39
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nicofshow would i set my maemo user pw?02:42
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: resetting to '::' - means there is no pw02:43
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DocScrutinizerduh, I never thought this would work to log in02:44
DocScrutinizerI admit I might be absolutely wrong on that02:45
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DocScrutinizernicofs: su - user (if needed), then passwd02:46
DocScrutinizernicofs: or (under root); passwd user02:46
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DocScrutinizerroot may set passwords that aren't allowed (too simple, whatnot) to be defined by normal user02:47
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DocScrutinizerbtw passwd -P /path/to/chroot/etc/ may probably edit passwords in an arbitrary passwd file02:50
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nicofsdoes anyone know how i can create my own easydeb img?02:51
nicofsis there some sort of howto...?02:52
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nicofsI'd very much like to create a xubuntu image...02:58
nicofsbut every time i ask about this easy debian image, all i get is silence...03:06
SpeedEvilYou'd need to work out how easy debian does the bringing up an X server03:08
SpeedEvilthen make a xubuntu filesystem that does the same03:08
SpeedEvilyou might ping the original author, or see if there are any hints on TMO03:08
nicofsi wouldn't even know how to create that filesystem...03:08
SpeedEvilStart out installing to a subdirectory03:09
SpeedEvilthen go from there03:09
nicofsinstalling what from where...?03:09
SpeedEvilIt's not going to be a simple task.03:09
SpeedEvilAnd it sounds like you've got tiny fractions of the knowledge needed to get there.03:10
SpeedEvilGetting X up and working properly in a chroot isn't going to be simple03:10
nicofsi think i'll ping the author... i just thought, i'd ask the community first before i bother someone who is busy author-ing...^^03:10
nicofsand i don't want to reverse-engineer a process someone has already gone through...03:11
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: is easydeb actually going to use an own xserver? I mean does it usually run *any* xserver?03:50
SpeedEvilI mean whatever it uses for an xserver.03:50
SpeedEvilIt does run one to provide the desktop03:51
DocScrutinizerhmm, yes. IF it has a desktop, then it obviously will run some sort of x1103:51
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DocScrutinizerit just never occured to me that easydeb was a GUI system, thought it's for simple shell access03:52
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nicofsi just added the ubuntu repos to sources.list in easydeb - but all i get is 404 - not found if i run an update... anybody know why that could be the case?03:53
DocScrutinizerprobably running another Xserver under hildon isn't exactly easy03:53
cehtehisnt there Xephyr for n900?03:55
cehtehi mean on device03:55
cehtehhow does the lxde debian chroot start up?03:55
DocScrutinizera wild guess would be that a bindmount of /dev (and /proc, /sys?) into the chroot / would make the chroot system accept the server system's Xserver and use it instead of an own concurrent instance started "locally"03:59
SpeedEvilyou need /tmp if you want the local socket03:59
DocScrutinizerprobably you still need some x authentication cookies and whatnot03:59
SpeedEvilyeah03:59
DocScrutinizerooh, /tmp04:00
DocScrutinizerright04:00
DocScrutinizerhehe. just had the funny idea to pivotroot into easydeb04:03
SpeedEvilWon't work04:04
SpeedEvilIt assumes it's got a 'normal' X server04:04
DocScrutinizerI bet it won't04:04
DocScrutinizerprobably pivotroot doesn't assume there's any xserver at all started04:05
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DocScrutinizeraiui you're not supposed to do a pivotroot on a fully started system, with all kinds of established network connections, sockets, whatnot04:05
MohammadAGspeaking of easydeb04:06
MohammadAGother than kexecing a kernel in the chroot, I don't see how it can work04:06
SpeedEvilUmm.04:06
DocScrutinizererrr?04:06
MohammadAG(harmattan)04:07
SpeedEvilYou can have multiple 'operating systems' under one kernel04:07
SpeedEvilThey look fairly isolated04:07
DocScrutinizersure04:07
MohammadAGyeah, aegis would love that04:07
DocScrutinizerthat's the whole purpose of a chroot04:07
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: actually aegis won't care much, as it's all outside of aegis' domain, except the bindmounts and the chroot / original directory (/easydeb-root/)04:08
DocScrutinizerI don't know how much aegis checks about stuff messing with /dev/*04:10
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, so executing binaries in the chroot is fine?04:10
DocScrutinizershould04:10
MohammadAGI thought execution is done in kernelspace, which is tied to aegis04:10
DocScrutinizerwell normal executables run in userspace04:10
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DocScrutinizerand the chroot can't do anything the user executing the chroot cmd wasn't allowed to do04:11
DocScrutinizeractually a chroot is for further restricting what a executable inside the chroot can do, as it doesn't even know about the "outer world"04:12
DocScrutinizerso inside the chroot you can hexedit mce and nobody will care as it's just a child process of a child process of the chroot command, and if aegis doesn't care about the chroot, it won't care about chrrot's child processes either (simplified picture)04:15
DocScrutinizeranyway the mce inside chroot is not a file of the server OS and so aegis doesn't care what you do to it04:16
DocScrutinizerfor the bindmounts this may or may not be different04:16
DocScrutinizerat least the bindmounts link back to the "outer world" and thus may be relevant to aegis04:16
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NIN101do you guys think there would be interest inside the community in a more or less small rescue os for the N900, with wifi support, ubifs, mass storage mode & usb networking as well as the usual stuff?04:21
jonwilyes very much so04:22
jonwilespecially if it can charge the battery also04:22
NIN101yes I thought about it04:22
DocScrutinizerNIN101: definitely!!04:23
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SpeedEvilNIN101: yes04:24
HurrianNIN101, wouldnt that be an extension of the rescue initrd?04:24
DocScrutinizerNIN101: there's meego rescue-initrd, but it's really way too stripped down to be useful04:24
Hurrianall we need would be wifi04:24
Hurrianoh, we need ubifs tools in the initd04:24
Hurrian*initrd04:24
NIN101hmm04:24
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ShadowJKusb networking would be fine too. and alot easier than wifi04:25
HurrianDocScrutinizer, Fremantle chroot inside Harmattan?04:25
DocScrutinizerHurrian: ??04:25
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Hurrianwhat chroot are you talking about?04:26
NIN101Hurrian: The biggest problem imho is that the size of the initrd is limited04:26
Hurriannin101, xz compression04:26
Hurrianoh wair04:26
DocScrutinizerHurrian: we talked about chroot at large, comning from easydeb and xubuntu04:26
Hurrianmeego is 2.6.38 right?04:26
Hurriani mean 3704:26
NIN1012.6.3704:26
Hurrianwe dont have XZ initrd for 3704:27
Hurrianwoops04:27
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Hurrianbut definitely, ubifs mount tools + simple text editor is a must04:27
Hurrianyou never know when someone forgets to copy back a config file and bombs maemo04:27
DocScrutinizerHurrian: the chroot "thread" started with >>[2011-07-24 01:51:50] <nicofs> does anyone know how i can create my own easydeb img?04:29
DocScrutinizereasydeb is a chroot04:30
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Termanagood morning04:30
DocScrutinizermorning Termana04:30
DocScrutinizerhow's living over there in the outback?04:31
TermanaAs best as it could be I suppose.04:32
TermanaAt least we aren't getting bombed and shot at04:32
TermanaHow's it there in Germany?04:32
DocScrutinizertoo cold04:32
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DocScrutinizer~weather EDDN04:33
NIN101http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd the stuff linked here does not work at all. No keymap for example. http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_nokia-n900-rescue-initrd this is a bit more advanced, but yeah, not tried yet. Well, I still think a OS is kinda "better", it gives more possibilities.04:33
infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.07.24 0120 UTC; Dew Point: 44 F (7 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.80 in. Hg (1009 hPa); Relative Humidity: 87%; Temperature: 48 F (9 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ESE (110 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT)04:33
Hurrianhmm, creating an easydeb image would mostly be -- base system, xephyr, and then copy and edit the debian-lxde commands04:33
TermanaDocScrutinizer, ah, it's about 13 C here at the moment04:33
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DocScrutinizerI mean Juli and 9°C - WTF?!04:33
TermanaDocScrutinizer, it's summer there isn't it? (Winter here, so 13 C is to be expected I suppose)04:34
DocScrutinizerTermana: on our hemisphere Juli is supposed to be a summer month04:35
DocScrutinizerand sun runs from left to right ;-D04:35
Termanaheh. Do not mock the southern hemisphere! :p04:36
DocScrutinizerhey, here a moon looking like a C is decrescent moon04:37
DocScrutinizerand I always wonder where's the switch for all those LCD radioclocks with moonphase symbols to switch them to "southern hemisphere mode"04:39
Termanalol04:40
DocScrutinizeraah, you only need to put the clock "the right way round", with top pointing to North pole ;-P04:40
DocScrutinizerand suddenly the symbols are right again04:41
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TermanaIt's only just occurred to me that Australia and New Zealand are the only "First World" countries in the Southern Hemisphere.04:43
DocScrutinizerhaha, KDE taskbar applet "Luna" has "norhern" and "southern" for henisphere, in settings :-D04:43
DocScrutinizeryeah the cubic miles of air per resident are why higher on southern hemisphere, indeed04:44
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DocScrutinizerwhich probably also is the reason why here you need to obey more rules when biking than at your place when flying an airplane04:46
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TermanaWe have biking road rules, but biking is certainly not as popular here as it seems to be in European countries.04:48
NIN101ok thx guys. Guess I have something to do in the few next days :-). I have to sleep now. gn804:49
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TermanaThere was a newspaper article this morning about Indian call centres training their staff and saying that we are "the dumbest continent", we "drink constantly" and that we are extremely racist. Maybe that's the secret to success as a first world country?04:49
DocScrutinizerthe assumption about this being a significant property of first world sounds about correct04:50
TermanaSounds almost like the US as well. I see a pattern... :p04:51
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DocScrutinizerI wonder how nin101 wants to actually implement his rescue system. I pondered all sorts of approaches for quite some time, nothing seems to really convince completely. Either you need to preinstall or you need a PC to start the recover system04:54
SpeedEvilSome sort of mini bootloader, and then sd04:55
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DocScrutinizeryeah, was my favourite as well. A plan to cp a whole maemo to uSD, and use flasher to boot it like meego, is sitting on my long term todo list since over a year now04:56
DocScrutinizerhas the advantage you also *could* start it via uBoot IF you installed uBoot prior to breaking your original maemo system04:57
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DocScrutinizeralso has the advantage it's compatible with meego on uSD and it's only a matter of swapping cards04:58
DocScrutinizerso finding out about mtd_debug tool was a nice one, to get a script job done that would create a bootable uSD from a life maemo system04:59
DocScrutinizerfor creating the kernel zImage/vmlinuz04:59
DocScrutinizerprobably first try it was a 5-liner shell script to cp -a / /media/card, and then create a vmlinuz in /media/card/boot/05:01
DocScrutinizer(yeah I know you don't want to cp e,g, /sys /proc etc)05:02
DocScrutinizerand obviously you don't want to cp /media/card to itself ;-P05:03
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DocScrutinizernot even to mention VFAT etc and partitioning of card at large05:05
DocScrutinizerthere is funny legacy on maemo, like the completely empty /boot directory. I wonder if it serves any purpose on genuine fremantle systems05:07
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DocScrutinizerhell, I used linux version back when it was possible to mv .. ./nowWeFsckdIt05:12
DocScrutinizercan't recall how I recovered from that one - maybe I was smart enough to try it on a floppydisk05:14
nox-haha linux allowed that?05:14
* nox- remembers editing minixfs with a hexeditor donkeys years ago05:15
nox-(and i think i once used freebsd's ufs fsdb tool too)05:15
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jierocan anyone tell me how to hide cursor in some programs?05:27
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casketizeranyone here knowledgable with ircII/irssi/bitchx ?05:55
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fusi    class Skynet < ActiveRecord::Base06:20
fusi      # DO NOT SET TO TRUE!06:20
fusi      def self.is_aware(aware)06:20
fusi        if aware06:20
fusi          return "Must DESTORY John Connor!"06:20
fusi        else06:20
fusi          return "2:13am EDT August 29, 1997..."06:20
fusi        end06:20
fusi      end06:20
fusi    end06:20
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JohnConnorstfu or I will find you!06:22
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fusilol :D06:35
fusi<306:35
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fusiWe only said goodbye with words. I died a hundred times. You go back to her, And I go back to Black.06:40
fusi:'(06:40
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rm_youanyone online that has an n900 and can type some stuff for me into a terminal and tell me the results?06:57
fusidepends what it is ;p06:58
rm_youlol06:59
rm_youjust need to run python06:59
rm_youand do:06:59
rm_youimport ctypes07:00
rm_youmafw = ctypes.CDLL("libqmafw.so.0")07:00
fusiwhat does that do?07:00
rm_youregistry = mafw.qmafw_registry_get_instance()07:00
rm_youerr07:00
rm_youregistry = mafw.mafw_registry_get_instance()07:00
rm_youregistry07:01
rm_youand then tell me what it prints07:01
rm_youi *think* it's just a number07:01
rm_youbut i'm not sure07:01
fusierror07:02
rm_youwhere07:02
fusiah hold on07:02
fusitypo ^^07:02
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rm_youerrrrr07:03
rm_youmafw = ctypes.CDLL("libmafw.so.0")07:03
rm_youi mistyped too07:03
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fusi007:04
fusi:)07:04
rm_youlolwut07:04
fusiill do it again07:04
rm_youmafw = ctypes.CDLL("libmafw.so.0")07:04
rm_youregistry = mafw.mafw_registry_get_instance()07:04
rm_youthose are the two i originally mistyped07:05
fusiyer07:05
fusiassignment to regsitry doesnt seem to be returning..07:05
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rm_youhrm07:06
fusihrm07:07
fusidid a 2nd instance, returned 0 again07:07
rm_youk thanks07:07
fusiwhat were u expecting?07:07
rm_youlike07:08
rm_you34241207:08
rm_youor some large number07:09
rm_youi *think*07:09
fusia pointer07:09
rm_youyeah07:09
rm_youit should be a pointer07:09
fusiim a coder, just not python ;)07:09
rm_you:P07:09
rm_youtrying to port an app from Fremantle to Harmattan07:09
rm_youFremantle used libmafw but Harmattan uses libqmafw07:10
rm_youwhich is C++ instead of C (I think?) and completely changed the ABI07:10
fusiqt?07:10
casketizerwhat do i do if a console prog has wrong locale in osso-xterm? on desktop i can change xterm locale....07:10
rm_youi guess, though not sure why07:10
rm_youit's the media framework lib07:10
casketizererr not locale07:11
casketizercharacter encoding07:11
fusiyer mafw :)07:11
fusicasketizer: nfi soz07:11
casketizer?07:11
fusidont know sorry07:11
fusirm_you: im sposed to be making the n900 twitter plugin work again07:11
fusibut ive been plagued by lethargy ;<07:12
rm_you<_<07:12
casketizercould it be that is what the other xterm in extras-dev is for?07:12
fusicasketizer: you can always try it or ask the author07:13
fusisurely theres some cli magic you can do07:13
casketizeryeah07:13
fusiim no linux pro tho07:13
fusieither way this doobie here needs smoking07:13
fusil8rs o/07:14
casketizerguess ill ask again at a more friendly daytime when more ppl are up07:14
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doc|homefusi: I'm glad you appreciated that :D09:20
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ysss$80 android tablet on deals.woot.com today12:14
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casketizeranyone now if gconf /apps/osso/xterm/encoding wants it as iso88591 or as iso8859-1 ?13:33
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Troniccasketizer: A few notes: it is usually called ISO-8859-1 (all caps) but there may be other aliases that also work. You do not want to use Latin-1 in your terminal, instead use luit or screen to do translation if you have to work with legacy apps (that don't use UTF-8).13:37
casketizeri'm battling with bitchx13:41
dm8tbrirssi ftw!13:41
casketizerif i set that GCONF to C1252 the channel sees äöü correctly but i dont see it correctly13:42
casketizerall other codepages it fails in both directions13:42
casketizerscreen also fails13:42
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casketizerlets try luit13:43
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casketizeryay partial success13:46
casketizerin luit the üöä are correct both ways13:46
casketizerbut the graphics chars are borked13:46
casketizerany idea Tronic?13:47
casketizeri never worked with luit13:47
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otwieraczHello.13:48
otwieraczIs there fltk for Maemo Diablo?13:48
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sobczykhi, is everything ok with ovi store? I just get a blank page when enter http://store.ovi.com/13:58
Troniccasketizer: i bet you have messed the settings in some of your components13:58
Troniccasketizer: without luit with screen you would need to enter screen command :utf8 off on13:59
Tronicthat turns utf8 off for the active window and on for the terminal13:59
Tronicdunno if bx does conversions but you should consider using utf8 for it too and then letting bx convert for those channels where you need something else.14:00
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Tronicirssi default settings are fine for that and utf8 seems ok on all irc channels nowadays too14:01
Tronicirssi does autodetect and convert if someone else is using cp1252 instead of utf8.14:03
ChoomITC: People are still using BitchX.14:03
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casketizermy settings are ok14:14
casketizerfresh flash14:14
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casketizeri changed the gconf back to utf-814:14
casketizerits just bitchx that gives me headache14:15
ruskieso switch to irssi or weechat14:15
casketizeri want bitchx14:16
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ruskiethen update it to do utf8 properly14:16
casketizerim planning to compile it from svn when my linux box is back14:17
casketizeratm im stuck with qwerty12's binary14:17
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casketizeri can live with the graphics broken, its only at startup14:18
casketizerbut i try to get it fixed14:18
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casketizerin irssi all is good so its deffo the bitchx14:37
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Choomyou must be one of the last 4 BitchX users in the world14:48
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tuxsavvysource? :p14:52
casketizeri like it for sentimental reasons14:54
casketizeralso i have tons of old scripts i made14:54
tuxsavvythere's nothing special about using bitchx ;) try using telnet, that'll be a challenge14:56
casketizerfor me its special14:57
casketizersentimental private reason14:57
casketizeri use telnet all the time14:57
tuxsavvyI meant using telnet to chat on IRC14:57
casketizerheh lol14:58
casketizerican do basic www with it but irc will be hard14:58
tuxsavvyheck I can't do basic www, but I've recently used telnet to chat on IRC, its not just hard but it's probably a true typist world lol15:00
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Choomtuxsavvy: well, everyone who used BX in the '90s switched to irssi in 200015:15
Choomyou can very easily notice that by the lack of BX quit messages on IRC in the last decade15:16
Choomand the disappearance of the annoying away announcements15:16
tuxsavvyChoom, yeah but its not hard to change the default BX quit message anyway, that plus the fact that there probably are other BX users floating around elsewhere15:16
tuxsavvyI still quite like the BX's real_name behaviour, too bad it didn't transverse across to irssi15:17
ChoomI'm too lame to read BitchX.doc?15:18
tuxsavvyyup15:18
ChoomI like the fact that irssi uses the GECOS field15:19
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Choomand saying this makes me feel old15:21
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tuxsavvydidn't BX behave the same way as well? using GECOS field to mark the user running BX15:21
ChoomI believe so, though there were certain conditions which would make that message appear as irc name; I think it's always used the GECOS field for me15:25
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Choommaybe it only displayed that if the user's GECOS field was empty15:26
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sobczykis there any reason when trying to install ovi store app the manager tells me I don't have enough space left? (I have 47M rootfs, 145M /home & /home/opt)16:48
FIQok, for some reason scratchbox has screwed up normal compile *outside* of it16:49
FIQI don't know how scratchbox work16:49
FIQScanning dependencies of target hedgewars16:49
FIQ[ 29%] Building CXX object QTfrontend/CMakeFiles/hedgewars.dir/HWApplication.cpp.o16:49
FIQsb_gcc_wrapper (/scratchbox/compilers/bin/c++): unable to open scratchbox.config16:49
FIQand then it just exits16:49
FIQi don't even compile in scratchbox... so wtf?16:49
* ShadowJK wonders if 145M is below the 10% reserve, and if app install can't go into reserve16:56
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macmaNwhat up yall18:24
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macmaNso basically getting sftp in dropbear is as simple as unpacking openssh-server...deb and cp -a lib /usr18:25
macmaNanyone care to make a package for that anyway?18:25
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macmaNanyway, http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=SSH&curid=1193&diff=44648&oldid=39895 if anyone's interested18:35
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casketizerdoes maemo 5 bash3 ignore .bashrc ?19:05
casketizerits not executing stuff i put in there19:05
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tuxsavvytry symlinking .bash_profile to .bashrc . In either case I don't think bash3 can easily ignore either :)19:22
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casketizerhmmm19:30
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Sicelo~mtd20:42
infoboti guess mtd is Memory Technology Device, see http://linux-mtd.infradead.org/20:42
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trumee~ping21:29
infobot~pong21:29
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