IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-07-17

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RiD	cehteh: flashing solved the problem :)	00:17
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: (lockcode, new behaviour in PR1.3) strings /dev/mtd1ro\|grep lock --> lock_enable lock_period	00:52
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Creteil	Hi all	00:52
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Creteil	someone can help me to fix this bug :	00:54
Creteil	[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/tmp/Building/sslstrip/sslstrip-0.9] > dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot	00:54
Creteil	dpkg-buildpackage: source package is sslstrip	00:54
Creteil	dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 0.9-0ubuntu2~ppa1n	00:54
Creteil	dpkg-buildpackage: source changed by cashmoney <cashmoney.dc806@gmail.com>	00:54
Creteil	dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture armel	00:54
Creteil	dpkg-buildpackage: source version without epoch 0.9-0ubuntu2~ppa1n	00:54
Creteil	: Using Scratchbox tools to satisfy builddeps	00:54
Creteil	fakeroot debian/rules clean	00:54
Creteil	dh clean	00:54
Creteil	Undefined subroutine &main::inhibit_log called at /usr/bin/dh line 224.	00:54
Creteil	make: *** [clean] Error 9	00:54
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Creteil	Fighting with this since 1 hour, google doesn't seen to help me on this ... :-(	00:55
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Noobmonk3y	hmm meego is asleep, anyone with an n950 around to help test something pls?	01:01
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DocScrutinizer	test what?	01:07
DocScrutinizer	and I'm neither asleep on #harmattan nor here	01:07
Noobmonk3y	lol!	01:08
Noobmonk3y	sorry i was in #meego didnt know #harmattan existed ;)	01:08
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Noobmonk3y	i cant seem to get ctrl shift p working all the time	01:08
Noobmonk3y	general system windows are fine	01:09
Noobmonk3y	but i think it doesnt work on full screen apps	01:09
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DocScrutinizer	yep, doen't work on apps at large	01:10
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Noobmonk3y	ahhhhhhhh fair enough :) thankyou for the confirmation :)	01:10
Noobmonk3y	thought it was just me to begin with :)	01:10
DocScrutinizer	there's a screenshot tool under boostWG debug	01:10
DocScrutinizer	or devel	01:10
DocScrutinizer	sth	01:10
Noobmonk3y	yeah that also doesnt work, set it to 5 secs, moved to my app, nothing	01:11
Noobmonk3y	i think the issue may be window state rather than app	01:12
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Noobmonk3y	achipa, good work on the sys info tool thing you did :)	01:14
DocScrutinizer	what means "nothing"?	01:14
Noobmonk3y	qtinfo*	01:15
Noobmonk3y	DocScrutinizer, nothing happens	01:15
Noobmonk3y	you normally get a flash	01:15
DocScrutinizer	haha	01:15
Noobmonk3y	and well, no file saved either	01:15
DocScrutinizer	what should happen?	01:15
DocScrutinizer	uhuh, you're sure about that?	01:15
Noobmonk3y	erm, a file gets saved with the screenshot?	01:15
Noobmonk3y	yup	01:15
Noobmonk3y	i'm just trying to prove when it does, and when it does not happen	01:16
DocScrutinizer	well, it workes here	01:16
Noobmonk3y	on every app? even ones you dont have? lol	01:16
DocScrutinizer	pfff	01:16
Noobmonk3y	hehehe	01:16
DocScrutinizer	kthxbye	01:16
Noobmonk3y	it definitley does not work on maecount in fulscreen	01:16
Noobmonk3y	lol :P	01:16
Noobmonk3y	so either i done coding bad.... as per usual :) - or its something window state relating me thinks	01:16
DocScrutinizer	test it with another app, fool	01:19
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DocScrutinizer	then, when you got together the data for a proper problem/bug-description, ask on #armattan	01:20
DocScrutinizer	#harmattan even	01:20
DocScrutinizer	and no, I DON'T get a flash with boostWG screenshot	01:21
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DocScrutinizer	this is only with ctrl-sh-P	01:22
Noobmonk3y	lol	01:22
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DocScrutinizer	http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10173?sort=4	01:27
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DocScrutinizer	look in gallery	01:28
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antman8969	is maemo.org down?	02:28
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antman8969	nvm	02:30
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harddarkoo	HI. Is rtl8187 supported in kernel-power 47?	02:48
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ScribbleJ	Hey folks... I'm trying to get some internet things to start up when my N900 boots, but it seems like I need to have a way to start the gprs0 interface programatically before that.	02:56
ScribbleJ	Is there an easy way to get that done? Also any tips on using upstart to start internet stuff on boot appreciated... it's driving me nuts!	02:57
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fusi	o harro	03:00
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harddarkoo	HI. Is rtl8187 supported in kernel-power 47?	03:03
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Termana	good morning	03:15
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jiero	hi, Im here to ask if anybody have similar problem of standby? My N900 power drop very fast while stand-by, usually 10% each 2 hours...	03:43
SpeedEvil	Have you got anything that updates itself in the background, or a very short laucher menu?	03:44
jiero	SpeedEvil: soz, I don't know... top tells me Xorg used the most CPU time. thats what I know	03:45
jiero	very short launcher menu? is it a kind of theme?	03:45
SpeedEvil	no	03:46
SpeedEvil	ssh in	03:46
SpeedEvil	top	03:46
SpeedEvil	with screen locked	03:46
SpeedEvil	afk now anyay - sleep - sorry	03:46
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jiero	I don't know about SSH... no other way ?	03:48
DocScrutinizer	powerkernel? alternative applauncher menues?	03:50
DocScrutinizer	can you scroll your applauncher menu up and down?	03:50
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DocScrutinizer	meh, ok	03:53
DocScrutinizer	got other things to do as well	03:54
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jiero	yes, I can	04:15
jiero	its powerkernel	04:15
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RiD	lol...	04:41
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ScribbleJ	Can someone confirm for me that the N900 can only operate one of the two cameras at a time?	05:35
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antman8969	sec ScribbleJ	05:48
Hurrian	!seen MohammadAG	05:49
antman8969	well if you minimize an application using the camera it puts it into standby... not sure if there was another way to test	05:50
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ScribbleJ	I'm pretty sure it's the case.	05:55
ScribbleJ	I've compiled a copy of 'monitor' intending to use te N900 as a security device, and it works fine - for one cam at a time.	05:55
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ScribbleJ	Whichever one I try to open second, with the first still open, fails.	05:55
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holmesII	is there any way to get the power comsumption of a specific device	06:03
holmesII	like wifi, or bluetoothe in maemo 5?	06:03
psycho_oreos	maybe through using batteryeye, batterygraph or something similar along those lines. powertop might also help	06:06
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holmesII	those monitor the whole battery power only.	06:11
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psycho_oreos	indeed, though if you ran it without enabling wifi, bluetooth, GPS, cell, iR, etc, etc, etc wouldn't you get the nominal set of power consumption to base the figures on for deducting when running any of those other chips?	06:21
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Hurrian	any maemo gurus up?	06:28
Hurrian	wonder if i can move rootfs to emmc without using the mess that is symlinks	06:29
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MohammadAG	sup Hurrian	06:41
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Hurrian	ohai MAG	06:47
Hurrian	hmm, i wonder if a custom kernel file can have root=/dev/mmcblk0p2	06:47
Hurrian	and mtdswap on mtd5	06:49
Hurrian	that's some real fast swap	06:49
MohammadAG	yes, and of course, Maemo 5 will break	06:49
Hurrian	D:	06:50
Hurrian	is anything hardcoded to use mtd5?	06:51
Hurrian	i dont think so	06:51
MohammadAG	I wouldn't be surprised	06:51
Hurrian	iirc the cruft in M5 is only hardcoded to use mmcblk0p1	06:51
MohammadAG	yeah, and mmcblk0p3, right	06:51
MohammadAG	hmm	06:52
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Hurrian	if we shrink mmcblk0p1 and make mmcblk0p2 larger, we'll have no problemoz	06:52
Hurrian	only problem would be booting mmcblk0p2 without touching mtd5	06:52
Hurrian	that's what i hate about the move script	06:52
Hurrian	oh, and we can shrink mmcblk0p3 to 512MB	06:53
Hurrian	768 is ridiculous	06:53
MohammadAG	wait wait wait	06:53
MohammadAG	mmcblk0p2 is /home	06:53
MohammadAG	where do you plan on putting that?	06:53
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Hurrian	MohammadAG -- /	06:54
Hurrian	oops	06:54
Hurrian	we'll need to either rebuild every single thing	06:54
Hurrian	or make mmcblk0p4 rootfs	06:54
MohammadAG	imho, swapping rootfs and swap sounds saner	06:54
Hurrian	i'm going for the second option	06:54
Hurrian	mmcblk0p1 MyDocs p2 /home p3 swap p4 / mtd5 mtdswap	06:55
Hurrian	...and we don't break anything except for the booting	06:55
Hurrian	oh, reminds me, we need to get rid of genfstab	06:55
Hurrian	because we wont need it	06:55
Hurrian	sdcard can be autodetected and mounted via HAL, i guess	06:56
Hurrian	or was it dbus	06:56
Hurrian	or udev	06:56
Hurrian	anyways	06:56
Hurrian	wait, why do we need to make mmcblk0p4?	06:57
Hurrian	does anything actually manually remount p2 and be anal as to whether it just has home files?	06:57
Hurrian	home/crapp-app should be THE path that it uses, and filesystems wont matter	06:58
MohammadAG	just swap mtd5 and mmcblk0p3	06:59
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Hurrian	sooner or later, people are going to ask for more space on root	07:00
Hurrian	also, a lot of scripts on TMO think p3 is swap	07:00
MohammadAG	their fault	07:00
Hurrian	i dont think mkswap'ing rootfs would be good	07:01
Hurrian	people should really use sfdisk + grep	07:01
Hurrian	mmcblk0p2 is universally recognized as a "system apps" partition, might as well dump it there	07:01
MohammadAG	sudo blkid \| grep swap \| awk '{print $1}' \| sed 's/://g'	07:02
MohammadAG	swap=sudo blkid \| grep swap \| awk '{print $1}' \| sed 's/://g' then use $swap, rather than hardcoding	07:02
Hurrian	MAG , every script will need a good comb-over	07:04
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Hurrian	why not make /home and / the same, everything that calls a file in /home will get the file	07:04
Hurrian	no muss no fuss	07:04
MohammadAG	again, not your problem	07:04
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Hurrian	oh well, back to the original problem, no one knows how to make the kernel flashed in mtd device boot the mmcroot directly	07:05
Hurrian	we /could/ use a hacked up uboot	07:06
Hurrian	or we could figure out how to use initfs	07:06
MohammadAG	umm why?	07:06
MohammadAG	what's wrong with using root=/dev/mmcblk0p3	07:07
Hurrian	does nolo read that?	07:07
MohammadAG	NOLO just boots up the kernel	07:07
Hurrian	ah	07:07
Hurrian	it'd be great if we could simply pass the parameter	07:08
MohammadAG	I'm sure it'll work	07:08
MohammadAG	use flasher-3.5 -k zImage -l --boot="custom cmdline" to test it	07:08
Hurrian	that's nice	07:09
Hurrian	sadly, mtdswap only went mainline very recently	07:10
Hurrian	weirdly enough, mtdswap was added into mainline by a Nokian	07:10
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MohammadAG	mtdswap is on the N9	07:13
MohammadAG	on 2.6.32	07:13
Hurrian	well, we're talking about the N900	07:14
Hurrian	and swapping on mtd doesnt seem too bad	07:15
Hurrian	sure, you'll damage the flash	07:15
Hurrian	but as long as other PEBs arent touched, it's all good	07:15
Hurrian	and most of all, OneNAND R/W is blazing fast	07:16
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psychologe	hello everybody i have a problem about easy debain ,when i goto debian chroot,and execute command:apt-get update,and apt-get upgrade .when download upgrade package to replace old package,my n900 reboot,then i can't open debain LXDE,so i must download imageing again!	07:45
psychologe	everyone had same problem	07:46
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Hurrian	psychologe, enable sid repository	07:59
Hurrian	disable lenny repos	07:59
Hurrian	then upgrade	07:59
Hurrian	uhh	08:01
Hurrian	dist-upgrade	08:01
psychologe	yes i enable all repos	08:19
psychologe	disable lenny repos,i will try it ,thanks very much	08:21
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RST38h	Changes to Linux 3.0 code: Redhat:1000, Intel:839, Microsoft:361, independent open source developers:1085	09:07
Hurrian	rst38h, look up what the changes actually are	09:07
Hurrian	they're support for microsoft's shitty hyper-v	09:08
RST38h	Hurrian: yea, but given the number of patches it is somewhat difficult	09:08
robbiethe1st	Yea	09:08
RST38h	Ahhahaha	09:08
Hurrian	i actually tried to use Hyper-V as a replacement for triple booting	09:08
RST38h	Next time someone tells you that Linux is the result of independent developers' selfless labor though, point them to these stats.	09:08
Hurrian	even WINDOWS doesn't have hardware direct X acceleration	09:09
Hurrian	what the fuuuuuuuuuuu-------	09:09
Hurrian	not to mention it screws over host performance	09:09
RST38h	Ah, screw the HyperV and virtualization in general.	09:09
derf	RST38h: The fact that "independent" developers still outnumber any single vendor is actually impressive.	09:10
RST38h	derf: not the developers, the number of patches	09:10
RST38h	derf: So, I would take these numbers with a grain of salt anyway	09:11
derf	Well, developers weighted by contributions, I meant.	09:11
RST38h	Ah	09:11
Hurrian	ah crap, i forgot to separate EXT4's journal	09:11
derf	Intel actually won by lines changed this release.	09:11
Termana	Also: does that statistic differentiate between when someone is sending it in as apart of their job and when they are sending it in independently but from a work email. Probably not	09:11
RST38h	derf: They merged in the Meego? :)	09:11
Hurrian	somebody should run the changes by LOC	09:11
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Hurrian	changes mean jack if it's all: change tabs to spaces	09:12
Termana	And the exact same thing is true the other way around, the statistic doesn't show when someone who is doing it for their job but contributes it under a non-work email address	09:12
* RST38h doubts those MS or Redhat engineers were changing tabs to space		09:12
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derf	But, as Jonathan Corbet says, "The percentage of changes from hobbyists continues to drop; whether that's a bad thing (the kernel is becoming increasingly unapproachable to volunteer developers) or a good thing (it's impossible for anybody who can hack the kernel to remain unemployed) is still not clear."	09:13
Termana	Plus, 86.73% of statistics are made up	09:13
Hurrian	who cares if changes drop, we need quality code, not 1000+ more drivers in staging	09:13
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derf	Hurrian: Vendors tend to work on drivers for their hardware.	09:14
derf	So that would be the opposite of what you're asking for.	09:14
derf	I.e., a big hunk of Intel's LOC changed was getting the iio driver merged.	09:15
* RST38h would say linuxoids need a driver ABI first of all		09:15
RST38h	But it looks like this goes against their open source dogma	09:15
derf	They don't think they need one.	09:16
derf	And they've done pretty well with their open-source dogma so far.	09:16
derf	Really, I can't think of a closed-source Linux driver that _wasn't_ a pile of shit.	09:17
RST38h	mmm...dunno. been there, it is a mess.	09:17
RST38h	derf: lack of cleanly defined ABI is one ofthe reasons	09:17
Termana	RST38h, I've set my laser from stun, to kill.	09:17
RST38h	derf: so, just hoping some arrogant Redhat fuck adds the driver ABI one day	09:17
Termana	RST38h just went OS X	09:18
RST38h	ahhaha	09:18
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RST38h	have you accepted Steve Jobs as your Savior then?	09:18
Termana	Heil Jobs	09:19
derf	RST38h: Still, the lack of a driver ABI _helps_ the open-source drivers.	09:20
derf	It means people have to look at that code when the ABI changes, which means more eyes to spot bugs.	09:20
RST38h	maybe it does, bad for the users though	09:20
derf	I don't believe that.	09:21
derf	Code that hasn't been reviewed is terrible code.	09:21
derf	Code that was written on a deadline is terrible code.	09:21
RST38h	terrible code is better than no code	09:21
derf	For a driver?	09:21
RST38h	yes	09:21
derf	You just buy a different piece of hardware.	09:21
RST38h	not if you have got a laptop	09:21
derf	You buy a different laptop.	09:22
derf	There's not much out there for which there isn't a nearly identical substitute.	09:22
* RST38h feels there is something wrong with the "buy a different laptop" suggestion		09:22
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Termana	RST38h, I always knew you would be the first lollygagging degenerate to fall out of the godly Linux ranks. I am disappoint. But you can save yourself through generous donations to the Free Software Foundation	09:23
Termana	:p	09:23
derf	RST38h: Seriously... I have unusual tastes in laptops, and I've never failed to find out that did what I wanted (as much as that was possible) and _also_ supported Linux.	09:24
RST38h	Termana: never been in the ranks really	09:24
RST38h	Termana: Historically, I have been using FreeBSD.	09:24
derf	In fact, I'm curious which laptop you have in mind that doesn't support Linux.	09:24
Termana	A-HA! I KNEW IT	09:24
Termana	traitor from the inside!	09:24
Termana	high treason on the poop deck sire!	09:25
RST38h	Linux works though, but I can't stop thinking of it as a toy (even though the current incarnationis fairly usable)	09:25
harddarkoo	Hi. I wonder to know if rtl8781 is supported by power kernel 47 or I have to compile it in the scratchbox?	09:25
RST38h	derf: Anything with powerVR	09:25
RST38h	derf: Anything from Sony, I am sure	09:25
Termana	RST38h, if Linux is a toy, what does the make FreeBSD? What particularly makes FreeBSD any better?	09:26
derf	They make laptops with powerVR chips in them?	09:26
Termana	I would argue that FreeBSD has a WORSE driver situation.	09:26
robbiethe1st	derf: I've never heard of them...	09:26
derf	robbiethe1st: Me either.	09:26
Termana	that make*	09:26
robbiethe1st	I've only seen Intel, AMD and Nvidia chips	09:26
RST38h	Termana: BSD is being written by aging bearded guys who know how things SOULD work =)	09:26
derf	http://www.linux-laptop.net/sony.html would suggest that Sony works to at least some degree.	09:27
robbiethe1st	Oh wait. One Intel chip is actually a PowerVR	09:27
robbiethe1st	Intel 500 I think it is...	09:27
RST38h	Termana: Linux is being written by redeyed geeks who just-want-to-ave-fun	09:27
* RST38h hehes evilly		09:27
RST38h	GMA500 is Intel's name for PowerVR	09:27
RST38h	it is used in netbook Atom chips	09:27
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RST38h	derf: Always "some degree" with Sony =(	09:28
derf	"Ubuntu supports GMA500 (Poulsbo) through the ubuntu-mobile and gma500 repositories on Launchpad. Support is present for 8.04, 8.10, 9.04, 9.10 and in an experimental way for 10.04 and 10.10, but the installation procedure is not as simple as other drivers and can lead to many bugs."	09:28
RST38h	derf: On the other hand, I am not buying Sony, so unless my wife suddenly wants a Linux install...	09:28
Termana	RST38h, but... but... but... Linux has Linus, who waddles and talks like a penguin! And Greg, who I have a whole funny head, mouth and voice impersonation for.	09:29
Termana	On the other hand, I am exactly like Theo De Raadt from OpenBSD.	09:29
RST38h	derf: Yes, they are putting it in such a polite way :)	09:29
Termana	An arsehole, all the time.	09:29
Termana	:p	09:29
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derf	I've never bought Sony, either, but usually because they didn't sell what I wanted or at the right price, not because of anything to do with Linux.	09:29
RST38h	Termana: Hey, Linux has got Lennart! =)	09:29
Termana	:P	09:30
RST38h	Termana: And Hans Reiser too!	09:30
derf	I don't think we have him anymore.	09:30
RST38h	no, no, you won't be able to disown him =)	09:30
derf	The California Department of Corrections has him.	09:30
Termana	RST38h, hey, I'm not a murderer. I just said arsehole :p	09:30
Termana	lol	09:30
RST38h	he is on loan to SDC	09:31
RST38h	Termana: He has been both, as far as I reckon	09:31
Termana	permanent loan to anyone else. They can keep him.	09:31
RST38h	CDC, sorry	09:31
Termana	So there you have it folks. That's why Theo De Raadt doesn't work on Linux	09:31
Termana	It'll turn him into a murderer	09:31
* RST38h uses this quiet moment to ask the Tentacled One about punishing Steve Jobs with hemorrhoids for the island keyboards he introduced		09:32
RST38h	Termana: Good point.	09:32
derf	Technically CDCR.	09:33
derf	"and Rehabilitation".	09:33
* RST38h wonders how rehabilitation would be defined in the case of Hans Reiser		09:33
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derf	He recovered successfully from the beatings the other inmates gave him?	09:33
Termana	So... who do you think would win in a death match out of Hans Reiser, Theo working on Linux and Lennart?	09:34
robbiethe1st	All I can say about Linux is that after using it, I cannot go back to windows. Not XP, and not W7. they just feel "sluggish", even on the fastest quad-core processors.	09:34
RST38h	robbie: Works for me.	09:34
* RST38h switches back and forth easily		09:34
RST38h	derf: No, there should be a catharsis of sorts!	09:35
robbiethe1st	Especially for things like USB Mass Storage stuff, which wouldn't let me view directories on my flash drive during a file-copy operation. OSX and linux both have no issues.	09:35
RST38h	Nobody using QNX? Strange!	09:37
robbiethe1st	Thing is, I'm one of those people who disables/speeds up most transitions because they're too slow: anything over about 200ms feels sluggish. I also tend to max out anything less than a hefty dual-core in normal operation, simply by doing too many things at once...	09:37
Termana	RST38h, anyone with a Blackberry PlayBook? (did they even end up releasing that thing?)	09:38
RST38h	yes, the news say they have	09:40
RST38h	never seen one though	09:40
robbiethe1st	Ooh, nice! 340 BackupMenu 1.1 installs since I released it last night.	09:40
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Hurrian	@RST38h , still using proprietary *nixes in 2011? strange!	09:58
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harddarkoo	Hi all. is there anybody to help me?	10:14
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harddarkoo	I think power kernel v47 has the modules for the rtl8187 but I dont know the names for modules to insmod/modprobe them.	10:15
harddarkoo	Can you tell me what to insmod or should I compile the modules myself for v47?	10:17
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Sicelo	\0/ robbiethe1st for BM. /me will upgrade soon	10:50
robbiethe1st	Always a good thing	10:53
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blck	hey, can somebody help me? I really need to reflash my N900 with both images (emmc first), but he keeps telling me: "Error APE-Algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages". I'm using Windows 7	11:09
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blck	has anybody seen this error before?	11:12
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n900bricked	hey, can somebody help me? I really need to reflash my N900 with both images (emmc first), but he keeps telling me: "Error APE-Algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages". I'm using Windows 7	11:18
robbiethe1st	No clue. ask on the forums	11:18
n900bricked	thanks	11:19
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Shapeshifter	RST38h: qnx?	11:28
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V13	hello.	12:25
V13	I'm struggling to install the meego SDK. I've got the N950 and I can't develop (!@##$@)	12:26
V13	any help ?	12:26
dm8tbr	/join #harmattan	12:27
V13	thnks	12:27
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trumee	anybody using Sygic maps?	12:54
trumee	I cant find it in Ovi store anymore. Was wondering if there is any .install file?	12:54
joga	trumee I tried to find it a while ago...I guess they don't sell it anymore for N900	12:56
joga	didn't try asking them though	12:56
trumee	joga: i have a licensed copy from them which i bought from them sometime ago. I want to install it again	12:57
joga	trumee, oh...then I suppose it's best to contact them	12:58
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Evanescence	how to flash N900 on linux ?	14:42
RiD	Evanescence: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware :)	14:43
Evanescence	RiD: I have readed that wiki. But can not find commands for linux. only one on wiki. different with youtube video. but I can not see clearly on video. that font is too small.	14:44
psycho_oreos	there's actually more than one command on the same wiki page	14:45
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RiD	I flashed my phone yesterday on Ubuntu following the instructions of that wiki. Take a look on the Linux section	14:46
Evanescence	ok	14:48
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Evanescence	flashing eMMC will clear MyDocs ? Did I need to flash eMMC if my N900 can not startup ? BTW, what is stored in MyDoc ?	15:05
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psycho_oreos	1) yes flashing eMMC will clear MyDocs and anything in /home/user, 2) It depends, first flash fiasco before flashing both, 3) User stuff, like photos, music, etc	15:06
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vi__	MohammadAG: yo dog	15:11
Evanescence	psycho_oreos: so three steps: flashing fiasco -> eMMc -> firmware ? and is there some configurations or settings in MyDoc ? just like ubuntu, If I want to keep using old Home. I should keep it, not format it ?	15:11
vi__	MohammadAG: i dont know if you still maintain the phone-control script but i have found a bug	15:12
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vi__	MohammadAG: the 'resume' coomand	15:12
psycho_oreos	Evanescence, I'd flash fiasco first if I　have anything useful in MyDocs, if you are unsure just flash fiasco first. If that fails or if you have nothhing to lose then you flash eMMC and fiasco	15:12
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niv_	does anyone here use xen and gentoo	15:13
niv_	?	15:13
niv_	I am seeking help	15:13
vi__	MohammadAG:is set to 'play' instead of 'resume'. this means unpausing with phone control restarts the song	15:14
vi__	MohammadAG: which sucks	15:14
vi__	MohammadAG: for my sms > espeak reader	15:14
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vi__	MohammadAG: have a nice day bro	15:14
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vi__	niv_: it seems unlikley mate	15:15
psycho_oreos	niv_, tried #gentoo ?	15:15
vi__	have you tried #gentoo?	15:15
niv_	yes	15:15
vi__	bah!	15:15
Evanescence	psycho_oreos: confused now, ok at first. if I want to continue using old /home/user, I should flash fiasco ? Is the steps fiasco -> eMMc -> firmware ?	15:15
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psycho_oreos	Evanescence, it is fiasco ONLY	15:16
vi__	Evanescence: ONLY flash rootfs	15:16
psycho_oreos	not fiasco -> eMMC -> firmware	15:16
vi__	Evanescence: i.e. fiasco only	15:16
Evanescence	oh. I see.	15:16
vi__	:q	15:17
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psycho_oreos	and there's only two parts, fiasco and eMMC, no such thing as firmware.. or rather firmware is just fiasco	15:17
niv_	when I boot my domU using genkenrel my rootfs appears as read only	15:17
Evanescence	psycho_oreos: that's it. I am confused in concept of those. so that this command "sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R" is flashing fiasco , right ?	15:18
psycho_oreos	niv_, I　highly doubt you'll find help here, this is the support channel for Nokia Internet Tablets running maemo linux, not gentoo support channel	15:18
psycho_oreos	Evanescence, yes except you obviously replace whatever is in paranthesis with the filename or the full path to the file that is the fiasco image	15:19
niv_	I know of one guy here using gentoo	15:19
niv_	and another using xen	15:19
niv_	so maybe...	15:19
niv_	oh ya, how to solve the modest crash after upgrading to cssu?	15:19
psycho_oreos	yeah, you can ask and wait but otherwise you'd be only hoping	15:20
psycho_oreos	modest crashing depends on which factors, though I'd check the bug tracker first	15:20
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Evanescence	psycho_oreos: I see. and it should be fiasco first , then eMMc ?	15:20
psycho_oreos	Evanescence, I've told you for the third time and I'm not going to repeat myself. You _only_ _only_ need to flash fiasco. If you ask the same question again I'm not going to bother answer	15:21
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Evanescence	psycho_oreos: I am so sorry.... hit me.	15:22
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psycho_oreos	Evanescence, it pays to always look at the built-in help pages from the program you are using, where available or at least search for manual pages either locally or on the internet.. then search for howtos on internet. Such simple steps prevents one asking repetitive questions over a trivial matter	15:30
Evanescence	yeah... I have readed "How to ask smart questions" I get rid of this bad habit now.	15:31
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Hurrian	niv, still here?	15:34
Hurrian	enable UBI devices in kernel config	15:35
Hurrian	hmm, you might want to check USB network devices	15:35
Hurrian	enable phonet	15:35
Hurrian	which reminds me, i fubar'd my kernel-config and need to start all over	15:35
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femtosecond	hi everyone	15:59
femtosecond	any karaoke player for maemo (N900)?	16:00
Tronic	None that I know of, but Performous is currently being ported.	16:04
Tronic	No idea how long it'll take to finish the port, though.	16:04
femtosecond	i tried pykaraoke but it doesn't work	16:05
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n900eu	hello, i have one problem in my n900, sound is used for other aplication all time :(	16:17
psycho_oreos	define other application	16:18
n900eu	I have a problem with the nokia n900. The sound is being used by another application (and I can not use bluetooth and calls do not use the internal speaker	16:20
n900eu	i dont know what aplication used the sound :(	16:20
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n900eu	Try listening to music and:	16:22
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n900eu	cannot play media files. sound is used by another aplication	16:22
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psycho_oreos	try running lsof against /dev/dsp and see if there's any active PID	16:25
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jonwil	so far nothing useful on my "N900 resources" wiki page :(	16:51
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DocScrutinizer	~tell Evanescence about flashing	17:43
Evanescence	DocScrutinizer: I have successed in flashing. Thanks	17:43
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V13	anyone managed to use and sdk for n950 under linux ?	18:32
GAN900	Many people.	18:35
V13	ok... how the blip?	18:36
V13	I'm struggling here with no success	18:36
V13	(except from the qt sdk)	18:36
V13	I'm fighting with scratchbox and I'm loosing	18:36
nid0	punch harder	18:39
V13	That's what I get: http://tinypic.com/r/2je9zef/7	18:39
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vdv	someone here used modrana? is it better than navit?	18:43
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vdv	is there any navigation app for n900?	18:58
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joga	vdv, the maps application can route but can't speak, then there used to be sygic mobile maps but not anymore. I last tried marble and while it seemed to kinda do what's needed, it wasn't that easy to use (especially to get voice navigation...didn't get it on first try)	19:06
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joga	vdv, to me marble seems the best bet since apparently there are no commercial navigation apps besides sygic which is no more (I guess) and it appears to have the necessary features, ie. can download maps from a certain region and route through them, though offline routing probably requires installing some other program, can't remember the name	19:09
joga	I just wanted a hassle-free nav program for those times when I gotta drive somewhere new, I guess I missed the opportunity :)	19:10
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vdv	joga, apps which i've now looked are: navit, mappero, modrana	19:13
ruskie	joga, erm? mappero?	19:13
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vdv	what i really need is to reduce data traffic amount to minumum	19:16
vdv	there's no offline maps preinstalled on n900, not?	19:16
ruskie	well ovi maps has those iirc	19:17
ruskie	I really wish though that there were some tools to generate offline maps for all those apps using openstreetmap etc...	19:17
V13	mappero does that	19:17
vdv	can i use ovi offline maps with mappero?	19:17
V13	why use ovi ?	19:18
V13	no	19:18
V13	AFAIK no	19:18
V13	You can pre-download google, google s/l and osm.	19:18
vdv	download google maps?	19:18
ruskie	V13, how?	19:18
V13	I uses that just a week ago when traveling with a plane.	19:18
V13	there are two ways	19:18
ruskie	I haven't yet seen anything usable on how to get caches for mappero	19:19
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V13	the easiest is to just move the maps and see them once	19:19
V13	which will make it cache the maps	19:19
ruskie	and take an insane amount of time	19:19
ruskie	for the various levels	19:19
V13	the other is via menu -> maps -> manage maps	19:19
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ruskie	which simply doesn't seem to work	19:19
V13	where you select the area and the levels you want to download	19:20
V13	just go to a level/location where the entire area is shown	19:20
V13	and then download, adding some more levels	19:20
V13	although I believe that it also will download nearby tiles	19:20
vdv	and i don't need internet connection after maps are cached?	19:22
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NIN101	just updated the N900. Every programs dies with segmentation fault now and IIRC no system component was about to be updated. Just saying, now I have to reflash :-).	19:22
DocScrutinizer	vdv: marble can do offline routing via monav	19:23
vdv	i.e. i should use OpenStreetMaps, Monav and marble?	19:24
DocScrutinizer	NIN101: what and how did you update?	19:25
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NIN101	through apt-get	19:25
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DocScrutinizer	haha	19:25
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DocScrutinizer	not maybe apt-get dist-upgrade?	19:25
NIN101	apt-get upgrade	19:25
DocScrutinizer	bad enough	19:26
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DocScrutinizer	Iheard enabling certain repos and then doing an upgrade is fairly sufficient to break virtually everything	19:27
DocScrutinizer	particularly repos that are meant for the SDK	19:28
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joga	ruskie, what about mappero?	19:34
ruskie	joga, well you didn't mention it	19:35
joga	ah, yeah, I didn't. for quick checking of surrounding area map I use maep	19:36
joga	I do have mappero installed but haven't used it much	19:36
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timeless	[Sampo Online Banking] Month with no payment, must not be equivalent to the month chosen under "First payment"	21:23
* timeless sighs		21:23
timeless	who writes these error messages?	21:23
RST38h	Bankers?	21:25
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timeless	...	21:36
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Jaffa	timeless: Given I work in financing systems, I can decode that :-)	21:46
timeless	what's it mean?	21:46
Jaffa	timeless: You can't have a payment holiday in the first month of the deal	21:46
Jaffa	timeless: i.e. either push the start date back or move your payment holiday	21:46
timeless	i wanted to suspend the payment thing entirely	21:47
Jaffa	timeless: I've no idea what you're doing, but if it's a loan/lease type thing; you don't want to pay it back at all? ;-)	21:48
timeless	it was a sponsorship	21:48
timeless	(contribution)	21:48
Jaffa	Ah	21:49
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godtrunks	hy can u guys help me with my n900	21:57
godtrunks	i try to create a yahoo mail account on my n900 but all the time i have same error that my username or password is not correct	21:57
godtrunks	what shoud i do?	21:57
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ruskie	enter the correct info?	21:58
godtrunks	yes	21:58
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godtrunks	if i try with gmail same problem	21:59
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ruskie	are you sure you are entering the correct info?	21:59
godtrunks	yes	21:59
godtrunks	i know my username and my password	21:59
godtrunks	i can log in from a computer without a problem	22:00
godtrunks	but i want from my phone	22:00
ruskie	using an email client on the computer? or through their web intefraces?	22:00
amti	i guess you want it because of flickr :)	22:00
amti	have you tried another browser?	22:00
godtrunks	i try with phone application	22:01
godtrunks	in a browser is working without a problem	22:01
godtrunks	and i'm connected to the internet	22:02
amti	phone application? what do you mean by that?	22:02
ruskie	and you are trying it through the mail application? and you enter the right server and you sure you have the right username(they might require it as user@domain or only as user)	22:03
godtrunks	ok	22:04
godtrunks	i start the account setup	22:04
godtrunks	i chose service provider yahoo mail plus	22:04
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godtrunks	then i pess next	22:04
ruskie	I assume you have yahoo mail plus enabled?	22:05
godtrunks	i put my username and password	22:05
godtrunks	yes is enabled	22:05
ruskie	hmm iirc yahoo uses user@domain	22:05
amti	are you sure your account allows using it via n900 mail application? afaik normal yahoo account doesn't support it.	22:06
godtrunks	and then i have an error username or password is inccorect	22:06
ruskie	amti, that's what mail plus is	22:06
holmesII	is there anyway to get the power consumption of a specific device such wifi, bluetooth ?	22:06
ruskie	godtrunks, and you enter your username as: user@domain ? or just user ?	22:06
godtrunks	user@domain	22:07
ruskie	hmm	22:07
ruskie	and you're sure you didn't mistype anything in the password?	22:07
godtrunks	noincoming pop3 server is plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com	22:08
godtrunks	port 995	22:08
ruskie	so they support ssl?	22:08
godtrunks	secure auth is uncheck	22:08
godtrunks	yes...	22:08
ruskie	hmm could be you need to enable secure auth	22:09
godtrunks	outgoing server SMTP is plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com	22:09
godtrunks	i tryed that	22:09
godtrunks	same error	22:09
ruskie	tried the non secured one?	22:09
ruskie	113 or whatever the pop3 port is... haven't used that in aeons	22:10
godtrunks	secure auth i put none	22:10
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godtrunks	maybe the pop3 and port r not correct?	22:10
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holmesII	any idea?	22:11
ruskie	godtrunks, you have secure connection -> SSL ?	22:11
godtrunks	yes	22:11
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ruskie	no clue then	22:12
godtrunks	shoud i put it TLS?	22:12
ruskie	if using the 995 port sholud be SSL	22:12
ruskie	you can try 113 port and try TLS	22:12
ruskie	or whatever the non SSL port for pop3 is	22:12
godtrunks	if the port is not corect?	22:12
ruskie	should time out	22:12
Sicelo	110 iirc	22:13
godtrunks	:-<	22:13
godtrunks	ok	22:13
godtrunks	so it's impossible	22:13
godtrunks	:))	22:13
godtrunks	i solved this	22:13
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godtrunks	when maemo wil realease more application for n900?	22:18
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godtrunks	one more think	22:19
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godtrunks	can i use video or voice call on pidgin?	22:20
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DocScrutinizer	godtrunks: there's some sort of bug in the whole web api mess around ovi/nokia/yahoo	22:21
DocScrutinizer	godtrunks: same problem with N950 and also on my laptop	22:22
DocScrutinizer	godtrunks: erasing cookies seems to frequently clean out the issue	22:22
DocScrutinizer	also registering/signing-in on the "base" URL helps for browser	22:23
DocScrutinizer	seems there's a persistent session-end cookie lingering on forever and killing your next sign-in	22:23
ruskie	DocScrutinizer, this was for modest ;)	22:23
DocScrutinizer	I guess sign-in is a centralized (web) API and server and it's broken	22:24
ruskie	erm pop3	22:25
DocScrutinizer	also I fail to wrap my head around Nokia pushmail, might as well be web based	22:25
godtrunks	i try this with nokia email application	22:26
godtrunks	what cookie this program have?	22:26
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godtrunks	DocScrutinizer can u tell me?	22:28
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DocScrutinizer	godtrunks: I don't know - all my statements above were about generic "accounts" as found in maemo, and I have no clue whatsoever what modest mail app is doing	22:28
godtrunks	but is not only the yahoo	22:29
godtrunks	gmail is the same	22:29
godtrunks	same error	22:29
DocScrutinizer	then I have no clue at all	22:29
godtrunks	:))	22:29
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godtrunks	the maemo application use same configuration like symbian?	22:30
Sicelo	tried imap for your gmail?	22:31
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godtrunks	no	22:33
godtrunks	i try now	22:33
Sicelo	maybe see if that helps.. i'm using my gmail with N900 with any problem at all	22:34
Sicelo	yes, kinda like symbian.. without the imap-dle :(	22:34
godtrunks	yey	22:35
godtrunks	gmail is working	22:35
Sicelo	*idle	22:35
godtrunks	and what about yahoo??	22:35
Sicelo	u sure u have mail plus?	22:36
mtnbkr	Hey guys... Is it a known issue, or just a problem with my N900 where I can play the "9" sample video that came with the phone on a TV via the cable that cam with the N900, but when I try to play videos that I have recorded, as soon as the video starts, all I get is sound on the TV and a blank screen?	22:36
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godtrunks	in media videofile	22:37
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Sicelo	lol... what did i write: " with any problem at all." gprs :/	22:38
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ruskie	well mail plus is a pay-for-service... so if godtrunks is paying for it I guess he knows he has it	22:38
godtrunks	where can i pay?	22:41
godtrunks	:))	22:41
godtrunks	i'm joking	22:41
godtrunks	:\|	22:41
Sicelo	aha.. i guessed so ;)	22:42
godtrunks	i'm stupid	22:42
godtrunks	that's wy it didn't work	22:42
godtrunks	lol	22:42
godtrunks	srry guys :))	22:42
ruskie	hehe	22:42
ruskie	there are tools that make it possible to access yahoo mail as pop3 via the web interface	22:42
godtrunks	i know	22:43
godtrunks	but i wanted to try with the phone software	22:43
Sicelo	godtrunks: u can use imap with yahoo for free	22:44
Sicelo	but no smtp	22:44
godtrunks	how?	22:44
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ruskie	Sicelo, since when?	22:44
Sicelo	always :)	22:45
ruskie	erm	22:45
Sicelo	imap.n.mail.yahoo.com	22:45
godtrunks	incoming or outgoing?	22:46
godtrunks	and same port at incoming?	22:46
ruskie	hmm interesting...	22:46
ruskie	imap works...	22:46
Sicelo	incoming.. no SSl	22:47
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godtrunks	what port is incoming?	22:47
ruskie	well the only yahoo user around here is my mom so doing some imap syncing would work here very well	22:47
godtrunks	what port is incoming?	22:48
Sicelo	i think port 25 as there's no ssl, my 9300i does ports automatically.. so i'm not 100% sure	22:49
godtrunks	port 25 is outgoing	22:49
ruskie	Sicelo, btw it supports STARTTLS	22:49
Sicelo	ah.. kewl.. i dumped my yahoo account a while ago	22:50
ruskie	same here	22:50
ruskie	was amazed I was able to actually delete it	22:50
ruskie	same for the msn account	22:50
godtrunks	how u can delete your yahoo account?	22:51
godtrunks	it's impossible	22:51
ruskie	they have a delet feature	22:52
ruskie	erm delete	22:52
godtrunks	have a link?	22:53
ruskie	I was able to delete both accounts actually(after figuring out my other accounts password)	22:53
godtrunks	:D	22:53
ruskie	http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/edit/changing_users/edit-23.html	22:53
godtrunks	thx\	22:54
Sicelo	143 godtrunks	22:55
godtrunks	what's the outgoing server?	22:57
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Sicelo	doesn't matter.. no smtp for free accounts	22:59
godtrunks	so i leave it blank?	22:59
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Sicelo	no.. u write whatever u want	23:00
godtrunks	ok	23:00
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godtrunks	now it doesn't show me anything	23:01
godtrunks	;))	23:01
godtrunks	but is not working	23:02
godtrunks	:(	23:02
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Sicelo	maybe not port 143 :/ my old nokia didnt show ports, but figured them automatically.. so i can't be sure. but it works.. keep tweaking	23:03
godtrunks	thx	23:04
godtrunks	i'm happy that my gmail is working	23:05
godtrunks	:)	23:05
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Sicelo	it works now on my n900	23:06
godtrunks	sicelo	23:06
godtrunks	u know aircrack?	23:06
godtrunks	:D	23:06
Sicelo	u must tick secure authentication	23:06
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godtrunks	where i must copy a dictionary on my n900?	23:06
godtrunks	in what file?	23:07
Sicelo	i know aircrack.. but i'm noob, so never really used it	23:07
godtrunks	i teach u??	23:07
godtrunks	:)))	23:07
godtrunks	but it works only for wep	23:07
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godtrunks	i need a good dictionary for wpa	23:08
godtrunks	and system memory is not so bug...	23:08
godtrunks	big*	23:08
Sicelo	on N900 or pc?	23:08
godtrunks	n900	23:08
Sicelo	i have it too... but wi-fi networks are rare here ;)	23:09
godtrunks	and the n900 i't's ok to overheat himself???	23:10
godtrunks	i can fry egs sometime on my phone	23:10
godtrunks	it's ok or...not?	23:10
Sicelo	mine is just on its 3rd week.. so never experienced that yet	23:11
godtrunks	it's happend when i speak on skype or downloading torrent to my phone...	23:11
godtrunks	and the phone get very hot...	23:11
lcuk	godtrunks, if you can fry eggs, then you can surely cook bacon	23:13
lcuk	put some on the phone and enjoy lunch!	23:13
godtrunks	i think i will make a barbaque	23:13
godtrunks	:))	23:13
godtrunks	thx for your help guys	23:15
Sicelo	yw	23:15
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benno2	Hi, is it possible to put a bookmark for a local folder on maemo5 (N900) on the desktop? If yes, how can it be done? thanks!	23:37
antman8969	no obvious way.. you could make a .desktop file and put it in /usr/share/applications/hildon(something) to launch a file with a program	23:38
antman8969	but thats kind of annoying	23:38
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benno2	antman8969, thanks. strange that one cannot create a bookmark for a local file , ie file::///home/user/....	23:39
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Mece	lo	23:49
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sevard	Does anyone know how to get the shell bell to sound in the n810's x terminal?	23:54
sevard	or perhaps is there a more awesome shell emulator out there	23:54
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